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Carpenter was a carpenter

Quick: what's a good Spring Training line look like for a pitcher? Is it this?

G IP K BB HR ERA LIGAMENTS SHREDDED LS/9
3 8 2 3 0 0.00 0 0.00

I'll certainly take it, but it illustrates the weirdness of the spring—because it's his first games back, because who knows who he's pitching against or what his goal is, it doesn't really matter that he's accomplished his scoreless innings via two strikeouts, three walks, and a hit batsman. Alas, poor Blake Hawksworth—the current team leader in innings pitched and strikeouts will have nothing to show for it. 

In any case, it is good news. It'd be good news if Carpenter had thrown five innings and given up two home runs, because as a wise filmmaker once said eighty percent of spring training success is showing up. That he's yet to allow a run—that's just gravy. 

Unfortunately for the Cardinals, our Fearless 2B Skip Schumaker is just about to run up against that tough 20% in his quest to keep Tony La Russa from wasting at-bats on him in the outfield. After his start on Wednesday Wellemeyer provided the impetus for a little Schumaker-related soul searching: 

"During the season it's not acceptable. It's all there is to it. I don't think (manager) Tony (La Russa) will have it," Wellemeyer said.

And now we're left to play the tea leaves, wondering what each start at second base means for each second baseman. This afternoon, in the first half of a split squad doubleheader, it's Skip at second and Thurston at third, not to mention a cameo appearance at DH for ex-front-runner David Freese.

Thurston, if nothing else, seems like a prime candidate to make the team at this point in the spring; La Russa's "found" him at-bats at multiple positions, considerably more than any candidate but Tyler Greene, and he's done well with them. If he gets the La Russa Seal of Playing-out-of-Position Approval at shortstop, or Schumaker doesn't get the seal at second, opening a spot for a strict keystone guy, he's probably all set. To which I say: I just hope he plays defense befitting his waterbugginess.

Meanwhile, dark horse candidates like Barden and Hoffpauir have just about gone dark altogether. Despite hitting a combined .406, they've gotten one fewer at-bat combined than Schumaker; I can't see either of them making the team without another seismic shift in the second base runnings, although they'll presumably get a chance in today's second game. It's a shame—even though I made him into the replacement level in another entry I've always been intrigued by Hoffpauir's contact skills. Of all the current candidates, he's the one I'd be least surprised by if he ends up Ludwick-ing his way onto the team. 2008 was a major disappointment, but that doesn't mean his big 2007 didn't happen.

Anyway: no idea who the Orioles are throwing out there for each game, so let's go unorthodox for the floating heads:

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Pineiro McClellan

Pineiro has to play himself back onto the home team's side of the Floating Head Table, y'know. On an unrelated note, there's a fun fanpost currently making the rounds to this entry's stage left—what's on your baseball playlist? For me, there can be only one: da naaa; da na na naaa

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Welly's quote - What is "It"

Is “It” not making the routine plays? Is “It” complaining about teammates errors? Is “It” smoking cigs in the clubhouse? Is “It” Strauss’ writing style? Whatever “It” is we have three more weeks of It and a double dip today.

by ubeddie on Mar 13, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Does that mean...

Every time Wellemeyer gives up a home run, Skip can cross his arms from 2B and look at him crossly?

by JWO on Mar 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Walks not homers

Schu has to start practicing the Piniero glare

by ubeddie on Mar 13, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

When do we start to act on a contigency plan?

I f Schumaker isn’t going to work out, we have way to many major league outfielders. Who would be good trade partners and who should we look to trade?

Of the top of my head, I could see San Fran, Atlanta, Minnesota, New York, Seattle….

I think we wait until the last possible second to see if this is going to work out and then try to trade a outfielder. That takes away some of your leverage but I think that is the only play here.

by MattK on Mar 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking more along the lines of....

how do we maximize our outfield depth to increase our depth elsewhere? I am not too concerned about second.

by MattK on Mar 13, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're talking about maximizing the outfield depth...

Then we’re best to wait until the season starts and someone has a major injury to an outfielder — specifically a team with a wealth of young pitching to deal to get one. Right now, I think you just stick with what you’ve got until roster size forces you to do something about it in way of trade.

We have a lot of depth in the outfield, that’s for sure, but who do we have that other teams would pay a premium for? Outside of Rasmus, not a whole hell of a lot. So you need to play Chris Duncan if he’s hitting, play Joe Mather if he’s hitting, and then look to deal one or both of those guys when their stock is high for a young pitching or middle infielder.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 13, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on what we would get back doesn't it?

Anything is worth discussing in my book — sometimes a team will surprise you with an offer you can’t possibly refuse.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 13, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

the rays

are having trouble keeping outfielders healthy. perez out 3 months, joyce bum leg w/no spring ab’s, bj upton rehabbing back no spring ab’s. crawford seems healthy, hold your breath. burrell, kapler/gross. always liked them as trade partners if they are willing.

by ball in play on Mar 13, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've only just begun

Carpenter is still and injury risk, but I’d be more worried about Wellenmeyer holding up after his huge increase in innings pitched last year. The Cardinals have a great record this spring so far, but there are very real questions left to be answered. On a related note, The Redbird Blog had his turn at the UCB (United Cardinal Bloggers) roundtable this week and asked for the group’s bold predictions for 2009.

My bold prediction was on Carpenter making 30 starts. Hopefull it’s not just wishfull thinking…

by MRCARD on Mar 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

2-0 to start

Skippy and Thurston single, Albert doubles, Freese SF. Nice start.

by ubeddie on Mar 13, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

When Men Were Men

My daily Cardinals calender greeted me this morning with the following factoid:

The 1904 Cardinals hold the record for most complete games in the modern era (146 (!) our of 155), led by Jack Taylor’s 39 and Kid Nichols’ 35.

Of course, that was back before they put fluoride in the water.

Seriously, what the hell is with these guys? Are we a bunch of pussies?

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Mar 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

christy matthewson

talked in his book about how he and the other great pitchers wouldn’t throw their hardest on every pitch—they’d hold back on poor hitters, pitchers, even unimportant situations. You can’t do that now, since everybody can hit a home run instead of nobody.

Plus everybody blew out their arm and retired after five years because of the workload.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 13, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have the same calendar

sitting right in front of me at work. I was also amazed at today’s entry.

Yep, every Hall of Famer did something unique. Mike Schmidt played with his hat sideways. Roberto Clemente chewed other people's fingernails. Tris Speaker was Japanese. Lou Boudreau rode a dolphin into the batter's box. Nap Lajoie would only use John Wilkes Booth's dismembered leg as a bat. And he corked it. Johnny Mize was from the future. - FJM

by Choix003 on Mar 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The surprising thing is..

it kept up like that, well, not quite, but still many, many more complete games, through the 1960’s. I’m currently reading The Baseball Chronicle, reading one season per day, and I’m up to 1965. There were still multiple pitchers throwing 20 CG’s per year, guys going 9, 10, 14 innings. I’d have to go look it up, but some poor fellow threw 11 innings of no-hit ball (against the lowly Mets, but still), lost the no-no in the 12th, but still managed to hang on ’til he lost 1-0 on a homer in the 14th. (His next game out, btw, he DID throw a CG no-hitter.)

Someone made a comment about Gibby pitching the full game in either the ’67 or ’68 series that the Cards won 10-1. Why did Red leave him in? ’Cause EVERYONE did.

by ArkansasTravs on Mar 13, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you meant Harvey Haddix

But that was different. Haddix threw 12 perfect innings against the Braves and then lost the game in the 13th.

by Youneverknow on Mar 14, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

skip

appears to be doing ok thus far. not watching, but gameday says he had a play that deflected off the pitcher and he took part in a 5-4-3

by STLRegalia on Mar 13, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

The one stat that I haven’t seen yet, and that would speak volumes about how this transition is going, is what fraction of double-play opportunities Skippy is converting. If that is substandard, then I don’t care how ANYTHING else in his conversion is going, I want him back in the outfield. Anybody got data?

by StanTheManFan on Mar 13, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

twitter feeds have some color commentary

there is one from 101ESPN and another from a Birds in the Busch

Just started using these today so no promises on quality or ease of use.

by ubeddie on Mar 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for posting these

I’m liking the Birds in the Busch updates.

by phesto on Mar 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been a fan of Twitter this Spring Training

It is like a RSS feed with extra little details that I normally would never hear.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Figures

The day I am off work and this game isn’t on MLB audio.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Mar 13, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Mr Greene

is having a fine spring. Imagine how good this team can be if he keeps this up.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

and....BEN SHEETS!!! **

**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)

by mattyfrommo on Mar 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he will.

He will be in a much better atmosphere and line-up.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Mar 13, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Colby must’ve thrown someone out, while Wieters was up. The two best position player prospects on the field, I like this game already.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"

by tgreenfield on Mar 13, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like they need to get Oquendo back

and have Skip spend a day just working on turning double plays and throwing the ball to Albert. That seems to be his biggest weakness now.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Mar 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

I’m not a big fan of Oquendo not being there to help train Skippy

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Tony is not a big fan of Oquendo being gone either

He knows Skip needs him amd Tony REALLY wants this to work out.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Mar 13, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

All Cardinal fans should.....

want it to work. We’re a much better team if it does.

"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."

by SoonerfanTU on Mar 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four innings played and...

No Schumaker errors. Skip is waiting for everyone’s apology, now. ;-)

by JWO on Mar 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

He just

He just got another putout, knocking off Roberts.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"

by tgreenfield on Mar 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

He’s contributed to TWO double-plays in the game, thus far.
I guess the off-day as DH helped restore some confidence.

by JWO on Mar 13, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll apologize in November after a parade

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm going to hold you to that bro

i hope you are right

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 13, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thurston and Jay

Could they knock off Barden and Rasmus?

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Mar 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

perhaps

I don’t think Rasmus or Jay will make the team though… I think Barton would make it before Jay

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man the Memphis OF is going to be sick

Rasmus
Jay
Amaury Marti
Nick Stavinoha (He did put up a .337 avg last year)
Brian Barton
Shane Robinson

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and No

Yes to knocking off Barden, No to knocking off Rasmus. I think Rasmus’s chances of staying with the club on opening day are purely contingent on Skip holding down second base.

"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"

by tgreenfield on Mar 13, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, which is why

I’m rooting so hard for Skip to stick there. Or for Skip to be traded. Putting him back in the OF on this team only creates problems.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

Duncan’s health. TLR won’t keep Raz as a bench player and he will probably start Duncan in LF if he is healthy.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Mar 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

thurston

and his speedy .320 OBP

by DanUpBaby on Mar 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a great question and

I am curious to see how that works out. Maybe DUB is right about Thurston, but nothing TLR would do could surprise me.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Mar 13, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

donovan solano

in at shortstop. anybody know anything about him?
looks like he just made it to aa late last year

by adiueordie on Mar 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

his main skill

as a prospect has always been being really young for his league, but he’s never developed as a hitter. He’s infamous for being compared, the first time anyone heard about him (when he was 16 and nobody followed the prospects like they do now), to Edgar Renteria.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 13, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I know about him

is Luhnow was really high on him in one of the interviews I read late last season. Sorry, but the link escapes me. I think it was on BirdLand though.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Mar 13, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have until the end of the month to decide

i think.

if they make up their mind sooner, than obviously they’d just go a head and take the player i guess. apparently they haven’t made that decision yet.

by adiueordie on Mar 13, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Cough* Jon Jay

I am tweeting it up with 101Espn about him right now

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he can stay healthy

He seriously might be banging on the STL door before Rasmus.

Did I mention he saved 21 runs last year with his glove in CF.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, too

feel that number is a bit of an aberration.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 13, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can

take the Daryl Jones out of the toolbox, but you can’t take the toolbox out of Daryl Jones.

by Toddius on Mar 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yeeesh, chris.

At least the spring training gameday updates in a way that makes Izzy-style saves less nerve-wracking.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 13, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Perez touched for a couple at the end

But still a win. And maybe giving up the runs was useful. It did put Chris in more of a “pressure save” situation…

by JWO on Mar 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I know it's early but I am a little worried about Perez

I just don’t think Tony is going to have alot of confidence in him starting the season. He’s really going to need to be a true closer and be able to shut the door in the 9th if he’s going to be able to be the guy to go to. Sorry to say right now he’s not that guy. Still a few more weeks to go though.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Mar 13, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he deserves it, at this point.

"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."

by SoonerfanTU on Mar 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with either option.

I am tickled to death that we did not go outside the org for a closer!

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Mar 13, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope so

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Mar 13, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Cards fans

I thought I might sign on here. I’m a stalwart over at the Broncos’ blog, Mile High Report, but I have grown attached to the Cards and El Hombre as a displaced Bronco fan in Missouri. I’m really more of a baseball fan than anything, and I love the atmosphere above all else; going to games is a thrill socially and even therapeutically for me, but watching on TV is sometimes a chore for me. For this reason, I’ve been to games in just about every city I’ve been to, and I sometimes consider myself equal parts Cardinal, Royal, Dodger, and Rocky fan.

Also, I love to play baseball video games from the 8-bit era. There is no substitute for RBI Baseball. It had Ozzie Smith in it.

I’ve been pretty down on baseball lately with all the steroid scandals, but I have a feeling that we’re watching something transcended in Albert Pujols. He might be the best baseball player ever, and he very well could be its savior. After reading the excellent SI article about him this week, I was kind of inspired to give baseball another shot. So, naturally, being the nerd that I am, the first thing that I did was check the SBN blog for my favorite team.

I’m really impressed. You guys certainly know a hundred times more than me about what’s going on down there. I couldn’t even tell you what the starting pitching rotation will be, so that might not be saying very much, but I definitely think that this is a place I could get used to. Maybe this year I’ll focus on baseball a little more than I usually do.

Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark

by papigrande on Mar 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

welcome

you are definitely in the right place to learn about the cards.

by FunkeeC on Mar 13, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

7pm Eastern

Plenty of time for El Hombre and company to grab dinner, swig a beer and get back out there.

by JWO on Mar 13, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

does Albert drink?

i know i need one right now

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pineiro has now pitched 10 scoreless innings with a walk and 9 Ks

I know it’s just spring training, small sample sizes, etc. But who would have guessed he and Carp would be neck-and-neck for most impressive starter so far (with Wainwright having the roughest go of it).

If he’s pitching pissed off over the perceived WBC snub, I hope Oquendo keeps rubbing it in his face all season long.

by BTown Birds fan on Mar 13, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

someone should hang a pinata from the oppositions dugout every time he starts

with his face on it & the words

“Jose says you suck!” written on it’s side

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 13, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't like the Run in the 9th

but the three swinging strikes to end the game certainly shows style.

Mr. Motte, this could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Mar 13, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I say this as a huge duncan booster, but is anyone else amused/annoyed

by the breathlessly pro-dunc propaganda in the rotoworld feed, usually reading something like “duncan had 3 home runs and 52 RBI’s in today’s game, showing again that he is made of titanium and eats iron filings for breakfast, while colby rasmus, who is sluggging .242, is a rotten pantywaist who needs to renew his lease in memphis or maybe take advantage of the housing crash and buy real estate there.”

there’s been three of these in the last week. he had a good week, but come on.

by tom s. on Mar 13, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan is clobbering the ball

Whereas Rasmus is still refining his swing this ST. My suggestion is don’t let these folks rile you up. We are only about 30% through Spring Training. Lets wait two weeks and see where these guys stand. THEN we can start watching TLR make the hard decisions about who goes up and who stays at AAA.

by JWO on Mar 14, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is the Cardinals game on television tomorrow?

If so, I’ll gladly swap a VHS copy (or DVD) of the game for the games on Sunday and Monday. They air on MLB Network and I know many of you don’t get that channel.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 14, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

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