Carpenter was a carpenter
Quick: what's a good Spring Training line look like for a pitcher? Is it this?
| G | IP | K | BB | HR | ERA | LIGAMENTS SHREDDED | LS/9 |
| 3 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 |
I'll certainly take it, but it illustrates the weirdness of the spring—because it's his first games back, because who knows who he's pitching against or what his goal is, it doesn't really matter that he's accomplished his scoreless innings via two strikeouts, three walks, and a hit batsman. Alas, poor Blake Hawksworth—the current team leader in innings pitched and strikeouts will have nothing to show for it.
In any case, it is good news. It'd be good news if Carpenter had thrown five innings and given up two home runs, because as a wise filmmaker once said eighty percent of spring training success is showing up. That he's yet to allow a run—that's just gravy.
Unfortunately for the Cardinals, our Fearless 2B Skip Schumaker is just about to run up against that tough 20% in his quest to keep Tony La Russa from wasting at-bats on him in the outfield. After his start on Wednesday Wellemeyer provided the impetus for a little Schumaker-related soul searching:
"During the season it's not acceptable. It's all there is to it. I don't think (manager) Tony (La Russa) will have it," Wellemeyer said.
And now we're left to play the tea leaves, wondering what each start at second base means for each second baseman. This afternoon, in the first half of a split squad doubleheader, it's Skip at second and Thurston at third, not to mention a cameo appearance at DH for ex-front-runner David Freese.
Thurston, if nothing else, seems like a prime candidate to make the team at this point in the spring; La Russa's "found" him at-bats at multiple positions, considerably more than any candidate but Tyler Greene, and he's done well with them. If he gets the La Russa Seal of Playing-out-of-Position Approval at shortstop, or Schumaker doesn't get the seal at second, opening a spot for a strict keystone guy, he's probably all set. To which I say: I just hope he plays defense befitting his waterbugginess.
Meanwhile, dark horse candidates like Barden and Hoffpauir have just about gone dark altogether. Despite hitting a combined .406, they've gotten one fewer at-bat combined than Schumaker; I can't see either of them making the team without another seismic shift in the second base runnings, although they'll presumably get a chance in today's second game. It's a shame—even though I made him into the replacement level in another entry I've always been intrigued by Hoffpauir's contact skills. Of all the current candidates, he's the one I'd be least surprised by if he ends up Ludwick-ing his way onto the team. 2008 was a major disappointment, but that doesn't mean his big 2007 didn't happen.
Anyway: no idea who the Orioles are throwing out there for each game, so let's go unorthodox for the floating heads:
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| Pineiro | McClellan |
Pineiro has to play himself back onto the home team's side of the Floating Head Table, y'know. On an unrelated note, there's a fun fanpost currently making the rounds to this entry's stage left—what's on your baseball playlist? For me, there can be only one: da naaa; da na na naaa.
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Welly's quote - What is "It"
Is “It” not making the routine plays? Is “It” complaining about teammates errors? Is “It” smoking cigs in the clubhouse? Is “It” Strauss’ writing style? Whatever “It” is we have three more weeks of It and a double dip today.
Does that mean...
Every time Wellemeyer gives up a home run, Skip can cross his arms from 2B and look at him crossly?
by JWO on Mar 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When do we start to act on a contigency plan?
I f Schumaker isn’t going to work out, we have way to many major league outfielders. Who would be good trade partners and who should we look to trade?
Of the top of my head, I could see San Fran, Atlanta, Minnesota, New York, Seattle….
I think we wait until the last possible second to see if this is going to work out and then try to trade a outfielder. That takes away some of your leverage but I think that is the only play here.
There is no contingency plan
Except for “try someone else we are already paying”.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so
or there’s Barden, etc
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of....
how do we maximize our outfield depth to increase our depth elsewhere? I am not too concerned about second.
If we're talking about maximizing the outfield depth...
Then we’re best to wait until the season starts and someone has a major injury to an outfielder — specifically a team with a wealth of young pitching to deal to get one. Right now, I think you just stick with what you’ve got until roster size forces you to do something about it in way of trade.
We have a lot of depth in the outfield, that’s for sure, but who do we have that other teams would pay a premium for? Outside of Rasmus, not a whole hell of a lot. So you need to play Chris Duncan if he’s hitting, play Joe Mather if he’s hitting, and then look to deal one or both of those guys when their stock is high for a young pitching or middle infielder.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Depends on what we would get back doesn't it?
Anything is worth discussing in my book — sometimes a team will surprise you with an offer you can’t possibly refuse.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
the rays
are having trouble keeping outfielders healthy. perez out 3 months, joyce bum leg w/no spring ab’s, bj upton rehabbing back no spring ab’s. crawford seems healthy, hold your breath. burrell, kapler/gross. always liked them as trade partners if they are willing.
by ball in play on Mar 13, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We've only just begun
Carpenter is still and injury risk, but I’d be more worried about Wellenmeyer holding up after his huge increase in innings pitched last year. The Cardinals have a great record this spring so far, but there are very real questions left to be answered. On a related note, The Redbird Blog had his turn at the UCB (United Cardinal Bloggers) roundtable this week and asked for the group’s bold predictions for 2009.
My bold prediction was on Carpenter making 30 starts. Hopefull it’s not just wishfull thinking…
and the NLCS MVP
Though my money is on yadi for the latter.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
it is looking more and more like Rasmus won't make the team out of ST
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah
that’s what I think, too. Today he’s playing in the 2nd team outfield with what was supposed to be the first team infield.
When Men Were Men
My daily Cardinals calender greeted me this morning with the following factoid:
The 1904 Cardinals hold the record for most complete games in the modern era (146 (!) our of 155), led by Jack Taylor’s 39 and Kid Nichols’ 35.
Of course, that was back before they put fluoride in the water.
Seriously, what the hell is with these guys? Are we a bunch of pussies?
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
The ball wasn't white
and they threw from a flat surface against thinner bats?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 13, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
christy matthewson
talked in his book about how he and the other great pitchers wouldn’t throw their hardest on every pitch—they’d hold back on poor hitters, pitchers, even unimportant situations. You can’t do that now, since everybody can hit a home run instead of nobody.
Plus everybody blew out their arm and retired after five years because of the workload.
I have the same calendar
sitting right in front of me at work. I was also amazed at today’s entry.
Yep, every Hall of Famer did something unique. Mike Schmidt played with his hat sideways. Roberto Clemente chewed other people's fingernails. Tris Speaker was Japanese. Lou Boudreau rode a dolphin into the batter's box. Nap Lajoie would only use John Wilkes Booth's dismembered leg as a bat. And he corked it. Johnny Mize was from the future. - FJM
The surprising thing is..
it kept up like that, well, not quite, but still many, many more complete games, through the 1960’s. I’m currently reading The Baseball Chronicle, reading one season per day, and I’m up to 1965. There were still multiple pitchers throwing 20 CG’s per year, guys going 9, 10, 14 innings. I’d have to go look it up, but some poor fellow threw 11 innings of no-hit ball (against the lowly Mets, but still), lost the no-no in the 12th, but still managed to hang on ’til he lost 1-0 on a homer in the 14th. (His next game out, btw, he DID throw a CG no-hitter.)
Someone made a comment about Gibby pitching the full game in either the ’67 or ’68 series that the Cards won 10-1. Why did Red leave him in? ’Cause EVERYONE did.
by ArkansasTravs on Mar 13, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you meant Harvey Haddix
But that was different. Haddix threw 12 perfect innings against the Braves and then lost the game in the 13th.
by Youneverknow on Mar 14, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Sunday's game
is on MLB Network at 4 (ET) vs Philly.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 13, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
skip
appears to be doing ok thus far. not watching, but gameday says he had a play that deflected off the pitcher and he took part in a 5-4-3
+1
The one stat that I haven’t seen yet, and that would speak volumes about how this transition is going, is what fraction of double-play opportunities Skippy is converting. If that is substandard, then I don’t care how ANYTHING else in his conversion is going, I want him back in the outfield. Anybody got data?
by StanTheManFan on Mar 13, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
twitter feeds have some color commentary
there is one from 101ESPN and another from a Birds in the Busch
Just started using these today so no promises on quality or ease of use.
I have been a fan of Twitter this Spring Training
It is like a RSS feed with extra little details that I normally would never hear.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Figures
The day I am off work and this game isn’t on MLB audio.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Mr Greene
is having a fine spring. Imagine how good this team can be if he keeps this up.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
I think he will.
He will be in a much better atmosphere and line-up.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
Wow
Colby must’ve thrown someone out, while Wieters was up. The two best position player prospects on the field, I like this game already.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Sounds like they need to get Oquendo back
and have Skip spend a day just working on turning double plays and throwing the ball to Albert. That seems to be his biggest weakness now.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
yeah
I’m not a big fan of Oquendo not being there to help train Skippy
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet Tony is not a big fan of Oquendo being gone either
He knows Skip needs him amd Tony REALLY wants this to work out.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
All Cardinal fans should.....
want it to work. We’re a much better team if it does.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
He just
He just got another putout, knocking off Roberts.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
i'll apologize in November after a parade
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
i'm going to hold you to that bro
i hope you are right
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
perhaps
I don’t think Rasmus or Jay will make the team though… I think Barton would make it before Jay
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Man the Memphis OF is going to be sick
Rasmus
Jay
Amaury Marti
Nick Stavinoha (He did put up a .337 avg last year)
Brian Barton
Shane Robinson
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
All I can add to that is...
Its going to be VERY hard to justify keeping Ankiel after this season…
(much as I love the guy)
After the season? How bout after the Trade Deadline
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
what if
He’s got 25 Hrs at the break and the cardinals are in 1st in either the division or wildcard?
Yes and No
Yes to knocking off Barden, No to knocking off Rasmus. I think Rasmus’s chances of staying with the club on opening day are purely contingent on Skip holding down second base.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Agreed, which is why
I’m rooting so hard for Skip to stick there. Or for Skip to be traded. Putting him back in the OF on this team only creates problems.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
Duncan’s health. TLR won’t keep Raz as a bench player and he will probably start Duncan in LF if he is healthy.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
That's a great question and
I am curious to see how that works out. Maybe DUB is right about Thurston, but nothing TLR would do could surprise me.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
donovan solano
in at shortstop. anybody know anything about him?
looks like he just made it to aa late last year
his main skill
as a prospect has always been being really young for his league, but he’s never developed as a hitter. He’s infamous for being compared, the first time anyone heard about him (when he was 16 and nobody followed the prospects like they do now), to Edgar Renteria.
All I know about him
is Luhnow was really high on him in one of the interviews I read late last season. Sorry, but the link escapes me. I think it was on BirdLand though.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
they have until the end of the month to decide
i think.
if they make up their mind sooner, than obviously they’d just go a head and take the player i guess. apparently they haven’t made that decision yet.
*Cough* Jon Jay
I am tweeting it up with 101Espn about him right now
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can stay healthy
He seriously might be banging on the STL door before Rasmus.
Did I mention he saved 21 runs last year with his glove in CF.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You can
take the Daryl Jones out of the toolbox, but you can’t take the toolbox out of Daryl Jones.
yeeesh, chris.
At least the spring training gameday updates in a way that makes Izzy-style saves less nerve-wracking.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
is it just me or does Perez
look like Kenny Powers?
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
which Perez?
2008 Perez, or 2009 spring training Perez? dude lost a lot of weight
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez touched for a couple at the end
But still a win. And maybe giving up the runs was useful. It did put Chris in more of a “pressure save” situation…
I know it's early but I am a little worried about Perez
I just don’t think Tony is going to have alot of confidence in him starting the season. He’s really going to need to be a true closer and be able to shut the door in the 9th if he’s going to be able to be the guy to go to. Sorry to say right now he’s not that guy. Still a few more weeks to go though.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
heck
anyone will be better than last year imo
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's looking like Motte might get the closer spot to me right now.
*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*
And he deserves it, at this point.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
I'm fine with either option.
I am tickled to death that we did not go outside the org for a closer!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
yeah
Motte or Perez, either way, is fine with me
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Cards fans
I thought I might sign on here. I’m a stalwart over at the Broncos’ blog, Mile High Report, but I have grown attached to the Cards and El Hombre as a displaced Bronco fan in Missouri. I’m really more of a baseball fan than anything, and I love the atmosphere above all else; going to games is a thrill socially and even therapeutically for me, but watching on TV is sometimes a chore for me. For this reason, I’ve been to games in just about every city I’ve been to, and I sometimes consider myself equal parts Cardinal, Royal, Dodger, and Rocky fan.
Also, I love to play baseball video games from the 8-bit era. There is no substitute for RBI Baseball. It had Ozzie Smith in it.
I’ve been pretty down on baseball lately with all the steroid scandals, but I have a feeling that we’re watching something transcended in Albert Pujols. He might be the best baseball player ever, and he very well could be its savior. After reading the excellent SI article about him this week, I was kind of inspired to give baseball another shot. So, naturally, being the nerd that I am, the first thing that I did was check the SBN blog for my favorite team.
I’m really impressed. You guys certainly know a hundred times more than me about what’s going on down there. I couldn’t even tell you what the starting pitching rotation will be, so that might not be saying very much, but I definitely think that this is a place I could get used to. Maybe this year I’ll focus on baseball a little more than I usually do.
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
7pm Eastern
Plenty of time for El Hombre and company to grab dinner, swig a beer and get back out there.
does Albert drink?
i know i need one right now
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
He drinks champaign
this much I know.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 13, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't just drink beer.
He drinks four beers at the same time.

I’m telling you, he ain’t human.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
He only had one to start with,
until the happy little beer elf there granted his wish.
by BTown Birds fan on Mar 13, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
AP's arm
is like a treetrunk….
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 14, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Pineiro strikes out the side to start game two....
by BTown Birds fan on Mar 13, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
Pineiro has now pitched 10 scoreless innings with a walk and 9 Ks
I know it’s just spring training, small sample sizes, etc. But who would have guessed he and Carp would be neck-and-neck for most impressive starter so far (with Wainwright having the roughest go of it).
If he’s pitching pissed off over the perceived WBC snub, I hope Oquendo keeps rubbing it in his face all season long.
by BTown Birds fan on Mar 13, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe Pineiro's Backe is Oquendo
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 13, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
someone should hang a pinata from the oppositions dugout every time he starts
with his face on it & the words
“Jose says you suck!” written on it’s side
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Didn't like the Run in the 9th
but the three swinging strikes to end the game certainly shows style.
Mr. Motte, this could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
I say this as a huge duncan booster, but is anyone else amused/annoyed
by the breathlessly pro-dunc propaganda in the rotoworld feed, usually reading something like “duncan had 3 home runs and 52 RBI’s in today’s game, showing again that he is made of titanium and eats iron filings for breakfast, while colby rasmus, who is sluggging .242, is a rotten pantywaist who needs to renew his lease in memphis or maybe take advantage of the housing crash and buy real estate there.”
there’s been three of these in the last week. he had a good week, but come on.
Duncan is clobbering the ball
Whereas Rasmus is still refining his swing this ST. My suggestion is don’t let these folks rile you up. We are only about 30% through Spring Training. Lets wait two weeks and see where these guys stand. THEN we can start watching TLR make the hard decisions about who goes up and who stays at AAA.
Is the Cardinals game on television tomorrow?
If so, I’ll gladly swap a VHS copy (or DVD) of the game for the games on Sunday and Monday. They air on MLB Network and I know many of you don’t get that channel.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 14, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions

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