- for looking like the emperor
- for stubbornness
+ for stubbornness
+ for making decent pitchers out of “scrubs”

if anybody has the resources to superimpose Dunc’s face onto the emperor’s, that would be hilarious. I personally lack the skill and resources.

85%

+ his ability to make something out of nothing
- looks so damned depressed all of the time

Only time I can recall seeing him show a graduated level of emotion (apart from winning the WS) was when Chris hit his first ML home run. Tony was giggling and Dave was fighting back tears. You could tell it was a special moment for Poppa Duncan.

He saves many a mediocre cost controlled pitcher that contributes to the club. He’s a real asset to the club.

+ incredibly well prepared game plan to help the pitchers succeed
- media challenged which can create negative perception in today’s world

80

negatives for anthony reyes, and for apparent general aversion to power/strikeout pitchers, which i don’t understand at all. but the flip side is, he saves the club a significant amount of money by squeezing a lot of blood from a lot of very inexpensive turnips.

Overall I think he’s done a great job

My prediction for Albert was only off by .10151594%.

Dave Duncan is a tough one. I have been a little critical of his occasional poor use of words, but for me there’s no doubt he’s the best pitching coach in the game. He’s given the organization much more than just his experience, he’s also given us the fruit of his loins.

If you measure the man by his offspring it’s still a mixed bag. I guess, all in all, he’s done more for the franchise anyone expected when he came over with Tony. How about 84.16%

The Cardinals success in the TLR Era is due in large part to Dave Duncan. However, the guy did beg for Kip Wells, who stunk, and also bears a lot of the blame for why a top-tier prospect spent two years getting worse. So…85

I think charges of nepotism are pretty ridiculous, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

i can’t let Anthony Reyes go

I have no idea what he does but hell, would I like him to do it with me. That way I could, probably, someday, throw one of my 75 mph fastballs over the plate and not into the window of the neighbor’s car… Anyways, he turns mediocre pitchers into okay pitchers and takes good pitchers into Cy Young winners. Too lazy to do the research but I believe there are few pitchers that have actually come to St. Louis and be worse uder Dave…

Great game planner, but I think Marty Mason should get a fair shake of the credit, too.

Semi-related: I was thinking about this last night… I know they have brought in some clunkers (Ponson, Wells, etc) but who is the last pitcher the Tony/Duncan team has let walk or traded away that went on to be successful? Jose Rijo?

I really can’t see giving this guy any lower than a B. Of course he’s had his fair share of guys and situations that didn’t work out, but imho everyone gets a free pass or two, especially when they so consistently make pitchers better.

Like others mentioned, I really respect his in-game demeanor and attitude. I agree that it can only help guys maintain focus and perspective when they’re pitching, and even moreso when they’re pitching poorly.

-7% for naming his son shelley that’s not right
-30% for the Reyes ordeal
-5% for miscellaneous failures
+23% for miscellaneous improvment of pitchers

Papa Dunc wound up with an 84.2 (1473684)% rating.

He is a very good pitching coach, and has helped mediocre guys (like Lohse and Wellemeyer) turn into great under-rated pitchers. He hasn’t had too many hiccups in his time in St. Lou.

The man has done great work with B DeW’s budget.

Same as I gave LaRussa. Also, still wouldn’t trade him for anyone in baseball (pitching coaches, that is). But I wish he could see the light on strikeouts and high fastballs, every once in a while, for pitchers that actually do have the stuff.