Cards' community WAR project
by chuckb on Feb 5, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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PrintBecause this is meant to be a community projection project, we need to see how you think each Cardinal player (or, at least, each regular) is going to perform in ’09. Erik’s going to use the Chone projections to help him but we wanted to poll the VEB members to see which players you thought would outperform, and which you thought might under perform, those Chone projections..
Below are the 50% (the weighted mean) projections for Cardinal regulars and possible regulars for 2009.
| AB | HR | RBI | BB | SO | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yadi | 400 | 8 | 53 | 33 | 35 | .272 | .333 | .390 |
| Pujols | 535 | 37 | 111 | 100 | 56 | .327 | .438 | .604 |
| Kennedy | 380 | 4 | 37 | 31 | 54 | .263 | .324 | .355 |
| K. Greene | 458 | 18 | 67 | 32 | 98 | .251 | .304 | .430 |
| Glaus | 490 | 27 | 84 | 83 | 111 | .259 | .370 | .478 |
| Ludwick | 453 | 25 | 78 | 47 | 126 | .267 | .344 | .499 |
| Ankiel | 446 | 25 | 85 | 39 | 111 | .253 | .319 | .475 |
| Skip | 456 | 7 | 39 | 37 | 61 | .285 | .341 | .395 |
| Rasmus | 455 | 14 | 56 | 58 | 111 | .246 | .349 | .398 |
As I said, these are all Chone’s 50% projections (middle of the road, so to speak) for each player. What we want to find out is if you think each player will meet these projections, over-perform the projections, or under-perform the projections. If you vote for "over-performing," erik’s gonna go w/ the player’s 70% projection. If you feel he’s going to "under-perform," erik’s gonna go w/ the player’s 30% projection. Obviously, if you vote for the 50% projection, that’s what he’ll go with.
Now, it’s entirely possible that the math in terms of PA’s may not work out, particularly in the OF, based on our votes. I presume, and I haven’t discussed this w/ erik specifically, but I’m guessing that he’ll change the number of PAs to fit what’s realistic and adjust HR and RBI, respectively. The rate stats shouldn’t change at all. When it’s all said and done, we’ll have helped to create a community projection spreadsheet for the team that predicts each player’s, and therefore the entire team’s performance for the season. We’ll be able to see how many wins we, as a community, projected for the team. It’s a pretty cool idea, really. Thanks a lot to Sky for putting this together and for erik for bringing it to us.
Obviously, today we’re going to do hitters. Here is the link to the Cards’ hitters’ page for Chone’s projections. To check out each player’s 30% and 70% projections (as well as all the others) click the link that reads "expanded" on the far right side. You’ll see the best case scenario, the worst case scenario, and everything in between. Saturday, I’ll report what you come up with and we’ll do the pitchers.
In order to do this, we’re going to do this the way we do all our projections – comma-delimited w/ NO SPACES! Thanks, as always, to all of you who keep everybody on track. I’m not used to not using spaces after commas, either. Select 50 (for 50%), over (for 70) or under (for 30) and we’ll do it by player from Yadi to Colby as listed above.
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
Yours might look like – over,50,under,50,50,over,50,under,over – or something like that. Thanks for all your help. I can’t wait to see the final results.
In other news…well…there’s not much. Bernie’s 5 minute take from Tuesday is a pretty interesting read, as he interviewed Duncan the elder. For one thing, Dunc’s opinion has changed on Carp – he now expects to get quite a bit out of him. This will be important as we seek your opinions on Carp’s IP Saturday. Dunc even anticipates Carp will be in the opening day rotation.
He envisions Motte and Perez as part of a closer-by-committee along w/ Franklin (yuck!) and Trever Miller and, interestingly, sees either Motte or Perez as the closer of the future – beginning probably in 2010. Pineiro will be better (I’ll believe it when I see it) and he’s expecting big things from Josh Kinney (see: Pineiro, Joel). It’s not that I don’t like Kinney. It’s that he has 32 career major league innings and has thrown fewer than 11 innings in the last 2 seasons. He’s good when he pitches, but…Also, Kyle McClellan’s going to prepare to be a starter and he likes Mitch Boggs. After what’s been a month or so of angst among Cardinal nation, it’s good to read some good news for a change, huh?
Remember – comma-delimited, no spaces. Thanks.
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WAR!
Erik, thanks for spearheading the effort on this!
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,50,over,over,under,50,under,50,over
And Ben Sheets: OVER!
Wow
There must be a great rending of garments and beating of breasts in the Brewers front office: they’re on the hook for his surgery (I reckon) and won’t be getting any(?) draft picks! Ouch.
They may be on the hook, and they may not be,
but at least they’re not paying him in the neighborhood of $10 mil for this season, since he failed to accept their offer of arbitration.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 5, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
gotta laugh about surgery costs
It will probably cost $30,000-$40,000 assuming he doesn’t have any insurance for it. I’m not sure Blue Cross covers elbows of pitchers. When you’re dealing with 10’s of millions in salary, it just makes me laugh that people worry about $40,000.
The Brewers lose LaPorta, Sabathia and Sheets
and they get a 3rd round draft picked. Great compensation system Selig.
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Feb 5, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mine
50,50,under,over,under,50,over,under,over
The only reason that I put Glaus as under is due to playing time. I also think Rasmus has a chance to make opening day roster and impress, thus the over for him.
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,over,under,over,50,over,50,50,over
Word.
-Ray
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,over,50,over,50,over,under,under,over
"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray
by bigchieftootiemontana on Feb 5, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions
Mostly sunny with a slight chance of Kennedy tanking
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,over,under,over,over,over,50,50,over
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,50,over,under,over,over,under,over
I don’t think Glaus or Skip will get the playing time.
WAR!
What is it good for? Abso…
Oh, come on! I couldn’t have been the only person to think of that!!!
Anyway:
50,50,Under,50,Under,Over,Over,50,Over
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 5, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions
I was going to use that too but you already did
I guess the early bird gets the worm
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Feb 5, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
Over,50,50,Over,Under,50,Under,Over,Under
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,over,over,over,over,over,over,under,over
I might be being a little optimistic, but I believe in my Cards offense.
vivaelbeñsheets
Just looking at rate stats...
Over,50,50,Over,50,Over,50,50,Over
It may look overly optimistic, but I was tempted to vote Lud and Ank “Over” as well on account of slugging percentage.
I like the 50% projection for Duncan quite a bit. I expect Khalil to have a career year in all facets of his game due to ballpark changes (3 games in SD, so many in CHI, HOU, CIN, etc), which’ll boost his slugging; batting in front of the pitcher for OBP (it got freakin’ Izturis a two year contract in the AL, for pete’s sake); and being the 6th or 7th best hitter in a good lineup everyday should get his approach back to what it was in the minors and his first season (with more powah). I’m more bullish on Greene than the 70%.
Kennedy’s a BABIP crapshoot and if the NLC’s MIF defenses weren’t so poor, I’d have taken the under. {Way overrated Theriot & Miles/Fontenot; bad D in their primes and a little past it in Tejada & Matsui; … and the rest mediocre or worse).
Looking around here, I’m a little surprised to see so many votes for Glaus taking the under. Last year doesn’t look like a fluke, moving from the ALE to the NLC, you’d expect him to face a slightly lower quality pitcher on a semi-regular basis. I had a little trouble deciding whether to take the over, but thought it only slightly too rosy to accept.
WAR
It’s good for this…
over,50,50,50,under,over,50,under,over
Shu under and Raz over b/c of Shu’s playing-time going to Raz. Glaus under because of playing time loss (due to injury).
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
And because I think Rasmus is the real deal.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 5, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,50,over,over,under,over,50,over,under
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
New here but have read for a couple of years.
50,over,50,over,under,50, under,under,over
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,50,over,50,under,under,under,over
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
War! Hunh! Wha-at is it good for...
50,50,over,over,50,over,50,under,50
Glaus PAs should probably be dropped a bit, obviously.
I really wanted to put everyone over... (sigh)
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,over,over,under,50,under,under,over
It's not what you do, It's who you do...
Optimistic - at least about the offense
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,under,over,over,over,over, under,over
or, alternatively:
50,70,40,80,60,80,80,40,60
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
Community projection ftw(above replacement)
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,50,50,under,50,50,50,over
Lots of 50s… so I’m not especially optimistic or pessimistic re: these projections. I hate to put Glaus under purely for PA/injury reasons, I really was hoping he would improve this year.
This might be the first time I’ve participated in a community projection… this is much easier than going through plate appearances, K rates, HBPs, calculating SLG etc… I just get to say “that looks right” or “that doesn’t look right”. Awesome stuff.
50 over under
50,over,under,50,under,over,50,under,over
Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008... ok, let's do it in 2009
Rushtown Tigets
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
under,50,over,under,50,over,under,50,50
by Beardsville Rockers on Feb 5, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Optimism...
50,over,50,over,50,over,over,50,under,50
Why aren’t we putting at least a few numbers in for Mather, Larue, and Barton? I would think that all of them are going to see AB’s at some point during the season…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Gah...I accidentally hit the paste button twice,
and I must have forgotten to delete that first 50 in the second paste — nice catch!
50,over,50,over,50,over,over,50,under
There!
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,over,50,under,over,over,under,over
if skip see 400++ at bats this team will not make the playoffs..
if you are going to count of rasmus in center, he has to bat 480-520, minimum ab’s.
a 80/20 platoon of ludwick/duncan in left… forget dreds..
i expect ankiel to be healthy and ready for 150+ games… if so he blows his numbers away.
the problem is our entire infield is a huge question mark..
albert " elbow" no guarantee he plays a full season. he would have shut it down and had surgery on the “bow” if not for the all-star game..
the rest of the infield is ?/?/?. kennedy greene glaus/friese,wallace..
50,50,under,50,over,under,50,50,over
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
fwiw
over,50,over,50,50,over,over,under,50
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 5, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions
less optimistic, more can see the light
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,over,over,50,under,over,50,over
Yadi focuses on defense, numbers slip
Never bet against albert
Kennedy can’t be that bad
Greene-way over
Glaus- another solid year when he comes back
Lud- I wanted to pick over for everyone, but ludwick seemed the most likely to regress
Ank- A full healthy season could be scary for the counting stats
Skip- pretty good year for a 2B
Raz- If he does play all year, he’ll hit alot more than 14 HR
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
Projections
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,50,over,50,50,over,50,50,over
OT: MLB traderumors is reporting that mlb.com is reporting
that been sheets has a torn flexor tendon in his elbow….maybe Mo really does know more than us
thought i should add
that this is not the injury that leads to tommy john surgery, but it is often also found when the UCL is torn…so it could be a precurssor(sp?)
yep,
every team that looks at his med files, runs from him.
i’ll keep the #19 pick, the budget $ for looper and say NO to sheets, AGAIN.
Well golly gee, imagine that
Many people, including myself, have been attempting to point out through the barrage of “BEN SHEETS” all over VEB, the fact that Ben Sheets isn’t signed this late into the offseason indicates that there’s something truly ominous about his medical reports. Word is that the Rangers agreed to a two-year deal, but this issue became apparent now the Rangers GM is “not optimistic” about the signing.
Worth noting — if Sheets goes unsigned, has the surgery, rehabs, and then signs somewhere after the draft in June, his Type A status will go away (I think).
So, can we stop with the spamming of Ben Sheets’ name everywhere now? At least until the status of this elbow injury becomes a little clearer?
i promise to drop it, if the few who were always against signing him
don’t rub it in everyone’s face & be all assholy about it. i’ve already seen some evidence of it & i’m biting my tongue because were supposed to be civil here.
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Right.
Except that the Rangers appeared to have a deal with him until his physical, where they found the damage. I’m sure that the Cardinals also would have found the damage to his arm during the physical as well, but we didn’t even pursue him, which still doesn’t make any sense.
I, for one, would be willing to give him a 2 year commitment (2009,2010) of $12M with a 3rd year vesting option of $12M for 200 innings pitched in his first two seasons, but only after the June deadline passes. The club could then control his rehab, throwing, and progressively work him back into shape for late 2009 (optimistically) or the 2010 season. There’s no starting pitcher of note that will be a free agent in the 2009/2010 offeseason, so why not take a risk on Sheets?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
can you say
chris carpenter?
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
2010
There’s no starting pitcher of note that will be a free agent in the 2009/2010 offeseason.
I beg to differ. There are at least 8 starter’s who are FA and have some serious potential to be very good. Brett Myers, Rich Harden, Vincente Padilla (could be very good outside of Texas) and John Lackey are all guys who I can envision the Cards taking a serious run at next year. Also there are a lot of low risk, high reward type guys.
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Feb 5, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
the Ents are going to WAR
over,50,over,over,50,50,50,over,over
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
9+ days til ST!!!!!
50,50,Under,Over,50,Over,50,50,Over
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Team Projection
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,over,50,50,50,over,over,under,over
"If you want some get in line, but bring a lunch mutha f*cka." -Ice Cube
Okay
So can we please calm down on throwing “Ben Sheets” at the end of every post?
Not afraid to nitpick
and get rid of the sheets avatars
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Feb 5, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
i went back to my old one
Countdown to world series #11
264 days
by bearcatcardfan on Feb 5, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
or if we want another impossile dream we could get manny avatars
Countdown to world series #11
264 days
by bearcatcardfan on Feb 5, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
as long as we're dreaming
let’s clone rogers hornsby for 2B
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 5, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
and Honus Wagner!
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!
by RunninRedbird on Feb 5, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Here is my best guess.
As I understand it, these are rate stats at their core, so the adjustment in PA’s will be done to reflect Glaus. I think that his rate stats will be about the same, just with fewer PA’s, thus the 50.
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,over,50,over,50,over,under,under,over
I know you're being hyperbolic
But we went 14-19 in Looper’s starts last year and 17-16 the year before. He’s a 1 WAR starter or so by tRA, Wolf was 1.4, Pineiro I agree.
Not afraid to nitpick
c'mon now!
it is only a forfeit every 10th day
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
Touche
That’s not a half-bad idea. Pujols could use the rest and DeWitt wouldn’t have to pay employees on those days!
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 5, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
they would be the freshest team in the league
the FO should really look into this. Odds are they are going to lost that game anyway, you can’t always win 10 out of 10.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
this is exactly the type of stuff i was talking about
just because the dude needs surgery does not mean everyone who wanted the Cards to sign him was wrong. and it does not give those who were always against the Cards signing him, the right to rub it in our faces & be a prick about it.
show some fucking class people. and no, i’m not picking just on you moser34, i’m talking about everyone. cut out the personal attacks or i won’t be the only one reporting you to Dan, Chuck & AZ.
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
yeah
let’s not put down our fellow fans
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 5, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
+1
He’d still be worth it on a multi-year deal. Plus we would have seen the injury during the physical, just like the Rangers. It was still foolish not to pursue him.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
Two things
a) There was still concern about his shoulder that scared most teams away. So we may not know the true extent of what’s wrong with Ben Sheets’ arm (though if the Rangers were okay with it, it’s gotta be a helluva lot more minor than his elbow, one would think).
b) We don’t actually know that the Cardinals didn’t pursue him. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as they say.
Some other things
a) Those concerns were just that, concerns, before he took the physical. I would have rather it been the Cardinals that gave him the physical. I see no reason why they couldn’t check him out because he was obviously worth both the arbitration offer from the Brewers and the initial contract offer from the Rangers. The physical changed everything, and Mo didn’t know what the physical would reveal before it happened.
b) I’ll counter that with the good old “innocent until proven guilty” line. Our GM is innocent of having pursued Ben Sheets until proven otherwise. I’m sure he “looked into it” and would claim that he “pursued all possible avenues,” but he still never took the chance on giving him a physical. If Sheets had passed for the Rangers, this would be a very different conversation. Mo got lucky on this one.
I don’t want people to suddenly say, “Look Ben Sheets is hurt haha look we told u so your all stoopid 4 wanting to sign him geez mo was smart for not signing him and u guyes never listened and arent u happy now.”
Firstly, I can’t believe I just typed that. Secondly, that was purposefully overblown, but I’m sure you get the idea. Mo didn’t know for certain that Sheets was going to need surgery, just like the Rangers and Brewers didn’t know. I would have liked to see the Cardinals make the offer and then withdraw it after he failed the physical.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
Sticking with the a/b thing here...
a) To my knowledge, you can’t just “give someone a physical.” They’d have to agree to terms on a contract. To say that he’s “obviously” worth signing because the Brewers and Rangers both offered him contracts isn’t particularly fair. There are a whole lot of teams in baseball and only two of them offered him a job — and I think we can probably agree that the Brewers offered him arbitration because they knew he was going to turn it down.
So really, over the course of the entire offseason, ONE TEAM offered him a job (or at least a job he was willing to take), at terms we don’t know anything about. That makes him “obviously” worth signing? Frankly, I think it’s the opposite. This guy had a 3.09 ERA last year and he only got a single contract offer, and not until early February — to me that indicates more strongly that something is seriously wrong with his arm than that we definitely should have tried to sign him.
Hell, Burnett is significantly worse than Sheets, equally injury-plagued, and signed early in the offseason for a couple gazillion bucks with several teams battling to give him a fortune (Braves, Yankees, Angels, etc.). Meanwhile, Sheets sat at home and hoped for so much as a multi-year contract. That’s not telling for you?
b) I don’t think the “he didn’t talk to them unless he everyone he talked to them” method of evaluating a GM is a particularly good one. GMs talk to a whole lot of people in the offseason, and not every single one of those conversations is going to come to light in the media.
You say that he “never took a chance on giving him a physical,” but, again, physicals don’t occur until after the contract negotiations. Guys don’t just fly around the country doing physicals for every team that’s interested in signing them. The Cardinals would have to have offered him a contract he liked.
Also, to say that “if Sheets had passed for the Rangers, this would be a very different conversation” is a bit unfair. Yes, VEB would probably be in an uproar. But then if Sheets’ shoulder exploded in his second start of the season, that would lead to a different conversation, too, wouldn’t it? Mo didn’t necessarily “get lucky.” I’m sure he had Sheets’ medical report just like everyone else, evaluated it with the medical staff, considered the plausibility of adding Sheets based on the state of his shoulder among many other factors, and decided against it. Just because Sheets happened to have another injury doesn’t mean Mo was in any way “lucky” in this situation.
I'm swamped with work
so I don’t really have time to be on VEB (yet here I am…) so this is a super abbreviated reply:
I know you don’t just go around giving people physicals. Since many here, including myself, believed that the Cards should have offered him a contract, assuming he would take a physical is fair game. If the reason for not signing him was medical, then why not make an offer and let him take the physical? If he passes, then your reason for not signing him goes out the window, if he fails, you’re no worse off than before. I just don’t think his medical reports could have been bad enough to justify not making an offer. If they thought they were that bad, why not make an offer assuming that he will fail the physical? They could always be proven wrong. I figure that if Sheets didn’t know he would need surgery (I’d wager that he would take the arb offer if he did), then how does everyone else that hasn’t evaluated him?
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
"show some fucking class people"
= irony.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 5, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i fail to see the irony in my post
there were some personal attacks today, and last i checked that’s unacceptable. dan, chuck & az are all busy men & cannot, nor should they not spend they day policing the site. i was doing my part to keep this the best place for all fans, not just those of the Cardinals to come & take part in some intelligent baseball discussions. if i overstepped anyone’s authority i will gladly apologize & not do it again.
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Not you specifically
Misusing something (your/you’re) while calling someone else a moron is ironic…
[/Grammar nazi]
PS Thus we have validated Godwin’s Law!
PSS It was a joke
Not afraid to nitpick
only validates Godwin's Law
if the thing after Grammar was also used as a proper noun
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
ok, i'm lost. what irony?
the F Bomb? Lb said years ago that was acceptable if used in proper context. was that not proper context or am not getting what the irony is?
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
what the hell are you talking about?
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
at least you didn't mispell moron
as many people do on here
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
if it's spelled "moran"
it’s an inside joke and almost certainly done intentionally.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
the comment had much less to do with Sheets...
than it did with the fact that the other guys he mentioned and the “forfeiting” every 5th day. I’d be happy with 2 of the 3 as my fifth starter. I am not rubbing anything in anyone’s face, and drama queen isn’t exactly an “attack” in my opinion, more like a “joke”
I think that HL
was using hyperbole to illustrate a point, so the drama queen comment may have been crossing the line. If it was a joke, I missed it. Not a big deal.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
How is that a joke?
“No offense, but…”
It’s hyperbole. The only cheap way this organization had of upgrading the rotation was Ben Sheets. Otherwise we are stuck with 5th starters in Wolf and Looper and 8th starter in Piniero.
And since we are OUT OF MONEY, it’ll be Pineiro.
So, forfeit every 10th day (as noted above).
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 5, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
you were wrong
get over it. and watch your language.
language, grammar, syntax
it was just hard to read. I couldn’t tell if you were calling HL a god , a drama queen, or both.
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your reply was wrong
and f-bombs are allowed
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+1
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 6, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
and just to be clear about this
I don’t want to start a flame war here, but no one’s OPINION is ever wrong, if someone wants to day it is, I suggest they go look at the definition of the word.
Using the terms “your wrong” and “get over it” are just not good ways to further a conversation.
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ugh
"you were wrong’
dammit, my reply failed!
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Your wrong.
It’s kind of like saying “my bad” but about someone else. I’m adding that to the lexicon.
I’m also adding the word “Lexicon.” No idea if that’s the right word.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
exactly!
we are just outside of a week away, right?
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Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,50,over,50,over,over,50,over
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,under,over,over,over,50,50,over
don’t you really have to expect Albert to be an over, just based on his career so far? Maybe I just expect to much from Albert.
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Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,50,over,50,over,under,under,over
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Rate stats, correct?
over,50,50,50,50,over,50,under,50
I was going to put Glaus under, but, if PA’s will be adjusted, then he’s at average. Mine are probably not as optimistic as many, but it looks like the Chone #’s are pretty decent for most. Raz, I wanted to put over but, realistically, if he hit the numbers given in his rookie season, I think most would be happy (I think his BA will be higher, however).
Ditto on Rasmus
I wanted to select the 60 %-ile line. I wound up going “over”
OT:
But I was messing around, looking up players on fangraphs. Who does this season belong to?
GS IP ERA CG SO K’s BB’s W L HR
39, 346, 1.14, 29,11, 243, 38, 36, 7, 9
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!
This (arguably)
isn’t even his best season
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!
by RunninRedbird on Feb 5, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Babe?
Nolan Ryan?
Countdown to world series #11
264 days
by bearcatcardfan on Feb 5, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
1913 Walter Johson
for the Senators. In 1910 he pitched 370 innings with 313 K’s and a 1.36 ERA. They just don’t make em like they used to.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!
by RunninRedbird on Feb 5, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking
it looked like Christy Matthewson…
9 HR in 346 IP is insane
Deadball era.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2009 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
The Night Train!
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 6, 2009 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Deadball Era Pitcher
for the Washington Senators. Pitched for 21 seasons.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 6, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
going to WAR
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
under,over,under,over,under,50,50,under,over
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
I thought Americans were generally against the WAR
50,50,over,50,under,over,over,50,over
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,50,50,over,50,over,under,under,over
Pujols for Secretary of Defense.
sign ben sheets to a minor league deal after season starts! with 10 millions in incentives :D
over,over,50,50,50,over,50,under,over
Superman
will wear an Ankiel t-shirt to bed tonight.
by Iowa on May 6, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
Not til June 9th
The Cardinals would lose a 1st round draft pick if they signed sheets before the June draft.
The Cardinals won’t be signing Sheets. Time to let it go.
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
50,over,over,over,under,over,under,over,over
According to what metric?
OPS, R150, runs above replacement, what? It matters. Anyway, and assuming the answer is R150:
Yadi,Albert,Kennedy,Greene,Glaus,Ludwick,Ankiel,Skip,Rasmus
over,50,over,50,50,50,over,50,over
On the other hand, any predictive system that gives a positive grade rather than a black hole to Blake Hawksworth is rooted in a fantasy universe — one that I wish I inhabited, to be sure, but still, with very little overlap with reality.
Hooray fantasy universe
under,50,over,50,50,over,50,50,over
Stanley Frank Musial. Makes me happy just typing the name.
Thanks, everyone. 10% "unders", there's a shocker ; )
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
You mean to say the community is optimistic?
Everybody knows that the vaunted projection systems are just biased against small-to-medium market teams in the midwest. I swear, it’s somewhere in the algorithms, buried so nobody can prove it. But Khalil Greene and our entire outfield will show them!
we shall see if we are right or not
I suppose
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
There are alway a few teams with a lot of players who exceed expectations.
But overall, there are just as many who do as don’t. (Assuming CHONE’s 50th’s are percentiles not weighted means.)
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
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