From the Class of 2005
by DanUpBaby on Feb 27, 2009 8:45 AM EST
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PrintForgive me, here: I'm a little disoriented by the reintroduction of actual baseball into my life. For four months—coinciding with my tenure on this site, to make matters worse—we've been making hay, seven times a week, re: the same limited pool of information. Now we've got some new material, but, complicating matters, it is the kind of material in which Kyle Lohse gets beaten up and Joe Thurston homers off a guy who was last effective three years ago. It's like J.D. Salinger coming back after the layoff and writing Twilight fanfiction.
Which is not to say it's unwelcome. This has been an exciting first week for me, in fact. One of my favorite non-prospects, Blake Hawksworth, led off the spring season with—and this is good news—a completely unremarkable outing, and now another, 2005 supplemental pick Mark McCormick, is going to join him with the big club.
Now McCormick is an aging relief prospect with control problems, but once upon a time he was a guy who threw a fastball in the Baseball America high-90s (93-95, I would think), occasionally touching BA triple digits (97), and featured a knockout curveball. I hope he appears on video at least once before he returns to the minor league camp; even after all this time, and the innumerable injuries, I'd love to see what the fastball/curveball combo I heard so much about actually looks like.
Speaking of all this time, we're coming into the last shot for a lot of members of the class of 2005; now is as good a time as any to take a look at what seemed, at the time, to be a nice haul of pitchers in the first and second rounds.
McCormick went first, as compensation for losing Edgar Renteria to free agency. Like any self-respecting amateur scout I am disproportionately impressed by pitchers who are alleged to throw really hard, so the triple digit whispers—combined, importantly, with the fact that he was still a starter—really did a number on me. As recently as January, 2007, I listed him among my Top Cardinal Prospects, even though he'd done little more than strike out a batter an inning in the Midwest League and get hurt at that point. Fast forward two years, and his accomplishments are more or less unchanged.
Next up was Tyler Herron, the Matheny comp pick, who's done the most to retain his prospect status. One major advantage Herron takes into this competition is his youth; he was 18, as baseball ages go, when he made his debut in the Appalachian League, which means that he has the luxury of repeating AA as a 22-year old this year. After two undistinguished years in rookie ball—he still seemed all uncertain projection at the time—Herron made his name in 2007 by throwing 137 innings in his full-season debut, showcasing excellent control and the kind of average stuff that appends the word but to every great outing.
In 2008 he still kept the ball in the zone, but a worrisome drop in strikeouts and an unpleasant AA debut have taken the bloom off his prospect rose, although that's also related to the simple volume of prospects that the Cardinals finally have. If nothing else, given his innings pitched over the last two years, he's ready to slip into a full-time role if he can earn it; worst-case scenario, he has the same exciting future as 2005 fifth round collegian Mitchell Boggs, caught between prospect and fill-in.
The Cardinals' second rounder was another young high school pitcher, the forgotten man of the group before the whole group was itself forgotten: Josh Wilson. The Texan righty has a lot in common with Tyler Herron, on a very broad level. He was a high schooler who was more polished and less projectable than the average prep prospect, almost a collegian in a high schooler's body. (The Cardinals seem to love this kind of guy, and his bizarro counterpart, the Chris Lambert memorial raw collegian.)
As if sensing this lack of differentiation was going to hurt him in the fickle eye of prospect watchers, Wilson made sure people would tell him and Herron apart by getting a late start to 2006, reaching full-season ball early, and then tearing his labrum, all over the course of three starts. He made his comeback in 2008, with low-A Quad Cities, and was somewhat successful, showing great control but an inability to miss bats. By August he'd had enough; he's apparently retired.
The final member of this pitcher clutch was Nick Webber, the most frustrating of them all. Webber was a big—6'7"—sinker-happy college closer the Cardinals found at the University of Central Missouri. Sensibly, they saw him as a possible starter, and groomed him as such. After a vaguely promising half-season in the New York Penn League Webber, then 22, began 2006 pegged for high-A Palm Beach. But little did he know that he would never strike out another batter again. Seriously, look at these: 4.4; 5.2; 1.9. Those are not the strikeout rates of a prospect, let alone one who is supposed to throw in the low 90s. After that first shockingly low strikeout rate the cry came down from on high to properly utilize his talent in the bullpen. The end result of that experiment was 2008, in which he struck out all of 9 batters in 43 innings.
You've heard of turning every batter into Albert Pujols from one side, or neutralizing lefties like they're pitchers—Nick Webber apparently turns every batter into Yadier Molina.
It's startling to see how these picks turned out. They can't be blamed on Prior Management; they aren't the results of budget constraints or odd philosophies. They just worked out like this, one prospect out of four. Pitching prospects just don't keep well.
Today's game, on at 12:10, is available via MLB.TV and the MLB Network; watch Todd Wellemeyer pitch against Livan Hernandez, who hopefully brings out the Spring Training eephus once more. While I attempt to figure the system out, consider this the game thread.
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Twilight Salinger
I hate that vampire, all he ever does is brag about how he gave that girl the time, I’ll bet it isn’t even true. He’s such a phoney, I hate phoneys, especially phoney vampires.
I have never read any Twilight book and I’m pretty sure I don’t have to.
yeah
I read VEB to get away from phrases like “Twilight fanfiction”.
Something you’re not telling us, DanUp?
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by Yadi2Second on Feb 27, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
So did everyone else...
assume that Catcher in the Rye had something to do with baseball until they actually read it?
by sluggerbird on Feb 27, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Phoney
I love Salinger, especially the Catcher in the Rye. I bet I’ve read it ten times.
The Glass Family Stories
Of course, Catcher in the Rye is wonderful, but I’ve always enjoyed the Glass family stories…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Catcher in the Rye
might be one of the most infuriatingly pointless books I’ve ever read. Appreciation for the uniqueness of the main character is grossly over exaggerated. Hated that book — and I read that on my own time; not as part of any assignment.
I read it on my own time, too
In fact, every piece by Salinger I’ve read has been on my own time. It’s no Huckleberry Finn, but I still found it enjoyable.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
+1
I read it on my own time as well, about 3 years ago. I didn’t see anything unique about Holden Caulfield either. It felt like a waste of time after I finished it.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Timing is everything, in my opinion
It’s a good coming of age story. I read it in college and very much enjoyed it. That said, I imagine that I’d be less impressed with it if I read it tomorrow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well
I read it when I was 17, so that was just the beginning of my “coming of age”. That being said I still don’t think I’d enjoy it if I read it today, tomorrow, 5, 10, or even 20 years down the road. It’s just not my type of literature.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wanna talk about strange literature
lets talk about “The Jungle”. had to read that for college last semester….I read it in a night, hehehe.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
That book makes Sausages a little tougher to eat
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by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I lost interest in the book as soon as Jurgis' son died in the mud.
Too many ironies, too much disaster and not enough hobo’s and drunk rich men. Apparently when they talk about the people falling into vats and being processed for all to eat, that piece is based off a certain Factory owner who’s wife mysteriously disappeared. Tasty!!
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I only eat deer sausage.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
One of the children did.
he went to work in downtown and got drunk in one of the warehouses. Then he got locked inside the place, if I remember correctly.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm kinda partial to Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad myself
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Unbelievably dense
Couldn’t get more than a few pages into it. Like reading a foreign language. Luckily, it turned into one of the best movies of all time, so I’ll settle for that.
Just win
if you just read it
it gets really surreal because you sort of lose track what’s going on at times, and get absorbed into the immense details. it’s definitely a trip to read.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 28, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I also heartily recommend
The Time Machine by HG Wells
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I did my Master's degree work on Conrad
I also recommend Nostromo and The Secret Agent.
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holy crap you all are well read
the last book i read was 3 Nights In August
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Ugh...
I heard about it my freshman year of high school. I didn’t think I’d be able to finish it, so I never tried.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree with you
Holden Caulfield is one of the more unique characters in all of American fiction. The fact that he shows no maturation process through the course of the book is the most unique part about him — there are very few characters in American fiction who don’t receive a moral lesson or develop some sort of discovery within the context of the story. Holden doesn’t develop anything like this.
For instance, compare this book the Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man, which was published two years after Catcher in the Rye. Both are tales of disaffected youth, but Ellison’s main character is able to discern moral lessons and derive meaning from his encounters. Another book I would compare it to would be Tom Wolfe’s I Am Charlotte Simmons, which updates Holden’s experiences with the preppy school crowd with a more contemporary setting. Wolfe’s title character matures as the book moves on and the book ends optimistically in which the reader can project a positive ending for the title character and a negative one for those who have wronged her throughout the novel. All three books follow very similar story lines, but Caulfield sticks out to me because he truly fails to mature into an adult during the course of the book, and doesn’t seem to have learned any moral lesson from his travails.
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by fourstick on Feb 27, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and the thing
about the lack of maturation is that in reality, life tends to be like that. People in general just don’t change that much once they have an established personality and are nearing adulthood. I think that’s what makes the book so realistic. It captures real life much better than some of the books you mention
yeah
I know people from high school that act exactly the same way they did then, like 6th graders
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
but i was coolest 6th grader evar!
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by gdm426 on Feb 27, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the way you describe it
sounds really cool…
personally, I was more mature when I was 12 then now
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody should do a study on that.
I feel like I was a really mature 16 year old but now I see that I was more mature then than I am now. Go figure.
exactly
I think since I had older parents than everyone else, I acted way too mature for my age in jr. high and high school, but I’ve spent the last 10 years devolving my “maturity” (whatever maturity is)
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
College has reverted me back to kindergarten
I sometimes lose the ability to speak normally, I need daily naps, hate reading, need to puke sometimes and try my best to ignore girls sobbing over stupid stuff.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 27, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+10000
I am about to take a nap in the next few minutes…then read for philosophy.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
what philosopher are you reading?
or is it basics stuff?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
+1
The biggest adjustment to the real world for me has been the lack of naps. I still go out on random week days until close, but the lack of nap kicks in after lunch the next day.
There's nothing like college
Having all the information, women, beer, and genius professors at the tip of your fingers is almost too much to comprehend. Almost.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't learn a lot educationally wise in college
College was easily the greatest time of my life though. I will never date as many hot girls as I did in college. So many hot girls and so many douche bags equals a viable chance for me.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I spend way too much time over there.
I absolutely love his writing.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
minus the professors
My goal was to do as little work as possible to get out of there with a 3.0 (finished with a 2.93)
Lots of people may have gotten better grades than me, but not many had a better time.
hell 10th grade did that to me
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I think we act more mature as adolescents (12-14 year olds)
because we have actually experienced nothing when we think we have. Once we go through the stresses and realizations of high school, we find that we are actually less mature than we originally perceived.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Holden may be unique in American fiction
but, he isn’t unique to American society in general. There are plenty of people out there who fail to ever develop a more sophisitcated level of moral fiber. I can think of plenty of people who are the same obnoxious, immature jackasses they were five years ago. So while Salinger may have been writing a character who was new to the world of American literature, that is a character who does not have a moral epiphany in the end. He wasn’t writing a character that was new to American life in general. That is why neither the book nor the main character hold any specific kind of uniqueness to me.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
well
we could say the book was ahead of its time, no?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
In it's originality
to American literature, yes. I can’t think of many books that end like Catcher does.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
But that's the whole point of the character, imo
No American author had written a character like this before, and there are few characters out there written like this now.
I agree, it’s not like he’s introducing a new character to American society, but Holden gives us a better look at ourselves around that age than other authors had done up to that point in time. As Dan says below, there’s nothing special about Holden Caulfield as a character, he’s just like every other American teenager: Scared shitless about the world around him and not sure how to cope with it.
I feel like this is part of the reason that so many people hate the book — they look at Caulfield as someone who doesn’t have any special traits as a literary character, and we’ve been conditioned by most of our fiction to look for that.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
If that's the case
then the book was simply too outdated for me to get anything special out of it. I can appreciate that it is a American classic and the first of its kind, however I feel if it were written today it wouldn’t carry the same significance to it. I don’t identify w/ Holden’s character very much, but I think that’s because I’m much more mature for my age than he was. I’m for certain at the least that I’m more mature than most of the other 19 year olds I know. It wasn’t the worst book I’ve ever read, it just isn’t my type of literature. Tolkien and Hemingway are my personal favorites.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 28, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I like Catcher.
I read it when I was 15. I’d say it was the first book that caused me to stop and ask questions about my life and the world around me. I’d say it’s shaped my development in some small way, at least, more so than any other literary work. But I’m guessing there are a number of books that would have played the same role if I had only read them first.
That being said, I don’t go around calling people phonies. Holden is seriously messed up. However, I have been known to yell, “sleep tight, ya morons” to extraordinarily stupid people.
Do you do that
Outside of Wrigley Field?
In fact, why don’t they just put up a little sign that the Cub fans can read on the way out of the park?
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 27, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
love gives you wings
i don’t even call it love, i call it: geronimo.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
i thought Red Bull gives you wiings?
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sigh
nobody ever sees what i see.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
give it up Jerry
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by mattyfrommo on Feb 27, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
holy crap how did i miss that?
i saw that movie twice in the theaters too
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who didn't love geronimo pena?
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I read the book in High School.
I did a short video for class and re-enacted the prostitute scene with clay figures. Holden was played by Mr. Bill, Sunny by Gumby and my fist with a face was the pimp Maurice.
I didn’t care much for the book. I recently re-read the book last week and really loved it this time.
It reminds me of a version of Ferris Buellers day off only more tragic.
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You're not really supposed to appreciate Holden
Except as a wonderful narrative construct. As teenagers I think a lot of people read Holden and see themselves in him as a champion of goodness and non-phoniness, but he’s really just a kid who’s terrified of the world around him and manifests that in anger and running away. That Salinger was able to keep that up at a novel length, revealing his problems piece by piece, is amazing to me; his treatment of Jane Gallagher in the novel is something I always try to figure out in my own fiction.
+1 on the general Salinger love here, also; he and Fitzgerald are my all-time favorites. If anybody’s interested in his pre-Catcher, pre-Glass work I would recommend typing “The Inverted Forest” or “A Girl I Knew” into Google; some off-shore website has squirreled away all his uncollected work, and it’s excellent.
+1 on everything on the first paragraph
Especially annoying people who believe they’re a lot like Holden and think that that’s a good thing.
F. Scott
is probably my favorite…love the last pages of Gatsby and Tender is the Night. This Side of Paradise caught me at a certain age and might be my favorite. I actually don’t read as many books as I’d like, so I never got around to Last Tycoon…saw the movie….a strange mix but interesting.
I love Gatsby too much to think that
It’s as close to perfection as a novel can get. But Love of the Last Tycoon is pretty incredible itself. I’m amazed by his use of the limited-first narrator; Cecilia was an amazingly ambitious point of view attempt.
I have 12 copies of Gatsby
don’t ask me why.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
am I not allowed to ask?
I have three. One on campus, one at home, and one ratty old paperback that I bought because it had the full original cover on it. (I also have a poster of the cover art, which is beautiful.)
Vonnegut
That is all
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by jd is legend on Feb 27, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I never understood the Vonnegut thing
I also have never read his work either
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by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Those two aren't mutually exclusive
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by jd is legend on Feb 27, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have Player Piano and Slaughter House 5?
on my book shelf…but I am distressed because I am reading Dante and am in serious need of reading Florentine history before I venture any further.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
and need to read some Iliad, Aneid, and Odessey
besides…1984 is next on my list before I venture to Vonnegut.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Getting through the entire Divine Comedy is an accomplishment
It’s classic stuff and beautiful and all that but somewhere in the Paradiso I could barely take it anymore. I blame modernity for shrinking my attention span. Inferno is fun because it’s so crazy though.
I am on page 200
but its a poem translation by John Ciardi I think. I feel I need to do the background seach, lie flim said as well.
And this is causing a literary brain freeze for me because I don’t like starting and stopping books. I like reading straight through.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think I have about 50 pages left before I finish the Inferno
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
i'm also reading Dante
weird…had to look up exactly where i was after the last comment…early on…have 80 pages left in Inferno. It is tough going at first, but it takes me a while to get through any book usually.
Since we’re on the same reading schedule, I assume you read Tristram Shandy before this?
I have not...
the reason I bought Dante was because I needed background information for the book “House of Leaves” but this lead to me needing to read classical Greek works and then Machiavelli, and now I am finding myself in a never ending process.
What is Tristram Shandy about? I will have to look this up now.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
funny...it's kinda like your reading path
it starts supposedly as the 18th century title character narrating his life…but he gets so distracted describing other characters and details that his own birth doesn’t even occur until much later in the book.
Strange book, especially for when it was written…the author did things like include a blank page in the middle of a chapter…a satire…i thought it was a little uneven, but i enjoyed it overall.
You totally need to check out house of leaves
The story itself is only about 200 pages, but the footnotes and appendixes take up about 500. You also have to read the book upside down, sideways, backwards, and any other way possible. Its a very strange book about nothingness.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
+1
The Inferno’s such a great read, just because it’s so bizarre.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I had a very hearty laugh
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
when Virgil told Dante that Beatrice was what he was going to get for going through hell.
I totally took whatever he said as Dante being allowed some “heavenly sin” when he made it to heaven.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard that that's where we get our modern conception
of hell
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed it is
and the descriptions of hell’s many layers is very appalling and distressful.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it is
But each circle’s description becomes more fascinating than the last one and that’s what keeps you reading.
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think
It is more a question of what really destroys a person, and the bizarre images are there to communicate what each kind of destruction is like at its end term.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 27, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think, be sure!!!
That is exactly what is meant to do…each layer has a somewhat darker form of sinner held within it. Often times Dante asks why a person isn’t in a higher level before they tell him their sins.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Although I think it is the worst part of that work
It is the part that made it into our cultural heritage. And the worst part of Dante beats the best part of almost anyone else.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 27, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
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by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Florentine History
Catching up on The Prince by Machiavelli
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by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
That is sitting on the kitchen counter
with the Communist Manifesto under it.
Common Sense and Civil Disobedience are in my parents room.
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by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Have you read
Tolstoy’s Writings on Civil Disobedience and Nonviolence?
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
more of a Philip K Dick guy, myself
also think that Brave New World is mandatory reading
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Read Paradise Lost?
I have never read it, nor heard anything about it. There is an urge to read it, but the professor from Animal House has me thinking otherwise.
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
You never saw Animal house?
Donald Sutherland, who plays D-Day, as well as the pot smoking literature professor said Milton’s “Paradise Lost” was boring, long winded, and some other negative things.
Sorry, I have been on AIM lately and its degrading my writing skills considerably.
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
ah
haven’t seen it in over 10 years, not much memory of it
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Sutherland played D-Day
Could be wrong, but I think D-Day was Bruce McGill of My Cousin Vinny fame.
I stand corrected
he also played a part in the movie Bagger Vance.
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
No you were right the first time
Sutherland is the professor, D-Day is played by Bruce McGill.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 27, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
and on that tangent
sinclair lewis, “it can’t happen here”.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
I like Vonnegut
too, first one I read was Slaughterhouse Five, followed by Welcome to the Monkey House. Have probably read about half his work, enjoyed it all.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone else come across the novel
House Of Leaves?
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
oh yes
one of my very favorites, so much fun, so great on so many levels.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Feb 27, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed
Catcher, but I liked his short fiction better, especially “Franny and Zooey” and “A Perfect Day for Bananafish”. Of that general era, I also love Catch-22 by Joseph Heller, and, of course, The Natural, by Bernard Malamud, so much better than the film. All-time fave baseball movie is Bang the Drum Slowly.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Catch-22
has got to be one of the cleverest books I’ve ever read.
"picture this" by heller was also fantastic
less immature humor and more cynical, and broadens the scope of commentary to all of western civilization rather than the army.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
You're having a bad day for Banana Fish. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
My Avatar is based off a short story but Salinger
I have like a 4 by 3 foot painting dedicated to Salinger at my house that I painted.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Might not have another reason to post this
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
catchers
Was waiting for you to redeem this post. ;)
Speaking of, did Yadi just steal a base?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Salinger would only look for girls wearng butt-twitchers and miss McCormick's come back curve . .
, . . . but Serling would see it all through a third eye. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Will try again . . Salinger would be too busy looking at girls wearing butt twitcher skirts to notice McCormick's comeback curve . .
. . . but Rod Serling would sure see the 2005 draft through a third eye.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
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Maple Street Press Cardinal Annual
I just wanted to take the chance to plug the book that DanUp and the boys put together this offseason. Larry Borowsky put together a fine stable of talented writers that should provide a lot of great analysis. I got my copy yesterday and it was put together very professionally (crisp clear pages and beautiful photos). I’m looking forward to reading my copy this weekend. Nice job!
on behalf of everyone else
Thanks.
I, too, was pretty impressed. It’s my first foray into that world and I have to say that it’s as well put together and, with the exception of yours truly, well-written a sports magazine I’ve read. It’s really worth everyone’s time — 128 pages of non-stop Cards stuff.
so happy about mlb.tv
yesterday i had to watch the yankees rays game… just made me jealous
by krippledmaster on Feb 27, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Today's Gameday
Here is today’s Gameday Link
The code is as follows for today:
“http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_02_27slnmlbnynmlb_1”
I think you just have to sub the date, away and home team data to the link but I haven’t tested it out yet.
Spring Training
I finished the bar exam Wednesday. So, yesterday I slept until one o’clock in the afternoon and then watched two consecutive Spring Training games. First on ESPN and then on the MLB Network. It was so wonderful (even if I did have to put up with commentary from Kruk and Phillips on ESPN). I graduated early partyly so I could study for the bar exam during January and February so that I wouldn’t miss any of the season. Hopefully, my plan works out and I pass…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Only problem with passing...
is that you’re then a lawyer.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 27, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a lawyer and I believe
we’re not all bad.
...but we're all drunks for the most part.
Good luck finding a job. I passed the bar this past summer and still haven’t found a permanent one. Hence the post at 11:30 am in the morning. Hopefully you already have one.
Another lawyer here
but in name only. Law school was the worst 3 years of my life, left me scarred; passed the bar the first time out by the skin of my teeth, and never practiced a day. Kept my license active for 6 years, then said to hell with it. I think I liked the idea of being a lawyer, rather than the actual practice of it. Building custom furniture with my brother-in-law was much more fulfilling. Thank god I’m retired now, so I can spend all my time reading posts on VEB and updating my Facebook page.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Building custom furniture does
sound cool. I liked law school though. I think I like talking about the law more than I like practicing it.
Interesting
I thought law school was great; I didn’t do anything for three years except watch sports and play xbox. It’s the “being a lawyer” part that blows. The billable hour was created by satan.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 27, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Have you spoken with
career services at your school?
Our career services is terrible.
The lady called me the other day and asked if I was working. I told her no. She gave me the password to the school career services website (which has always had zero jobs on it that you couldn’t already find posted somewhere else) and then told me to call her if I find a job. The phone call last about 2 minutes. Real helpful.
sounds like the career services for
The School of the Art Institute of Chicago… I think they do a lot of nothing there
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
same as your school?
and what school?
I live in KC.
The whole plan was to get into sports, but they are cutting jobs just like everyone else.
I am too...
that’s why I wrote that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 27, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Single Car Accident That Totaled His Car
Freese was a a single-car accident that totaled his car in broad daylight. Amazingly, his only injury was a sprained ankle.
Anyone else think the Cardinals have a persistent problem with heavy drinking during Spring Training?
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
And in the morning...
…when Freese was en route to a bowling fundraiser in icy conditions.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
nice!
my old record was 203, so I broke it!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
this is my first year in a league.
so for my first 200 I got a patch, which I have proudly sewn on my black & pink bowling shirt.
Team Name: Leroy’s Triple X club.
for christmas, the wife got me a clear ball with a skull inside
Team Name: Dirty Uncles
in my first league, I won a fancy stone table coaster for having the highest game/lowest average.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah
you should post a pic of that ball up on the internets, I’d like to see that!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Bowled a 205 in practice
today, high game is a 254, from about a decade ago, high this year in league is a 246. Bowled a 640 scratch series in a tounament in January, my best by about 25 pins. But I’ve stunk it up last 3 weeks, until today. Hopefully, things are turning around.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 27, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Way to read the article you're linking to before you post it though...
Not that you were jumping to conclusions or anything….accident = heavy drinking?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
especially in the middle of the day?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
shockingly i haven't have one drink all day
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
"haven't have"?
you sure?
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
offizer i swarz i haven't had 1 drinkz
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Lawyer Joke
BGH, I hope you passed the bar. Just be sure to wear a neck-tie (as all lawyers need to) so your foreskin does not slip up over your head! LOL!
SD
USS Mariner Post on Fangraphs
This is a nice, succinct, and insightful post:
In every year from 1995 to 2008 (and probably before – I didn’t bother going back any further once I found this obvious of a trend), the batting average of balls in play allowed by the home team’s pitchers was lower than the road team’s pitchers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hmmmmm
I remember getting laughed at when I stated that there are advantages to hitting in your own ballpark, regardless of how much of a pitcher’s park it is. I think this shows that my theory is correct: Hitters playing in their home ballpark are more successful than opposing hitters.
I think the difference has a lot more to do with the hitters than the pitchers in this case, even though we’re measuring using BABIP for pitchers. Hitters in their home ball park are going to pick up the ball better than hitters who don’t play there as often, providing them a distinct advantage over a visiting team’s pitching staff.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
If that's the case...
then you’re still going to have a slight improvement at home over your already ridiculously good numbers at a similar park that you’ve never played in.
Example: Albert will be a slightly better hitter at home after 162 games played there than he will be after 12 games played there.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I thought it was the difference between the bullpen mound and the mound on the field?
Supposedly the opposing team’s bullpen mound at Chavez Ravine was built up higher with a steeper decline than the one on the field. It made pitchers uncomfortable to go from one to the other.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
That might be what I'm thinking of
But that sort of thing might be part of it, if that’s widespread… starters warm up in the ’pen before the game, too.
I think the only question here
is how much better? If I remember correctly, the best guess is about .040 of BA.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
I agree that was some of Dave's finest writing, imo
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
i have yet to read
any of his un-fine work…he is one of the best
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Ugh.
"A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
by Futility Infielder on Feb 27, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
he's worth a look for league minimum
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Feb 27, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Or a minor league deal
to add depth.
What kind of depth does Adam Eaton provide?
other than taking up a roster spot?
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
doesn't he just take innings away from prospects that way?
at this point, you know what you are gonna get with Eaton. Is he good for anything but mop-up duty?
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the only reason to look at him would be if you thought he would bounce
back in a place not philly — a lot of hr there are fb here, and the whole atmosphere would better.
we have roster space to spare. for the moment i’d rather see todd or kmac. but i dont think a minimum deal is crazy.
Lineups for today via Goold
The lineups for today’s game, Cardinals vs. Mets, at Tradition Field:
THE CARDINALS (0-1-1)
1. Skip Schumaker, 2B
2. Colby Rasmus, RF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Rick Ankiel, CF
5. Yadier Molina, C
6. Chris Duncan, LF
7. Khalil Greene, SS
8. Jon Jay, DH
9. Joe Thurston, 3B
Starting pitcher: Todd Wellemeyer. Also live to pitch: Jason Motte, Team Italia’s Adam Ottavino and P.J. Walters.
THE METS
1. Luis Castillo, 2B
2. Livan Hernandez, RHP
3. Jose Reyes, SS
4. Carlos Delgado, 1B
5. David Wright, 3B
6. Carlos Beltran, CF
7. Ryan Church, RF
8. Marlon Anderson, LF
9. Rene Rivera, C
....my quick smells like french toast...
Glad MLB network got back to the game in time
to see Albert hit.
Missed the first two batters watching commercials.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
Yes.
He obliterated it. Hit the top of the wall and missed a homerun by like a foot.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
But can he play 2B?
That is the true test of a great OF on this team
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Probably think it is a Rams game
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's probalby on a local channel
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
Well
That marks the first time I’ve ever seen Schumaker field a ground ball in the infield. Nicely done, Skip, even if that little roller off the bat of Livan was the easist ground ball ever.
Wasn't that
his first game-time ground ball of the season? Good way to get started.
There's 3 Colonel's
Welley, Dunc the Elder, and Trevor Miller. All Kentucky Colonels.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
Rasmus not looking great in RF.
Bobbled a grounder that got through the infield, missed a deep fly that he was a bit shallow for.
by notmorganfreeman on Feb 27, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions
great
now we’re going to confuse him, moving him around to all the different OF positions
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
And Skippy slides again...
…but drives in the run.
all fun and games
until he gets his head stepped on by prince fielder.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
At this point
I’m more pleased with people who do well than disappointed with those who do poorly. Unless there is an injury. I’ll start taking it more seriously in two weeks.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Feb 27, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
and you are correct
I’m just pontificating, or maybe that’s not the right word. can’t wait to get outta work
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
What are the chances that Duncan K's on 3 pitches?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I am sorry 4 pitchers with 3 swinging strikes
He is not looking so sharp so far
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we don't go through the Duncan fiasco again
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
+1000
Especially with him still having options
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Razzums hasn't looked much better today.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
guess that means Barton will have to make the team
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
bummer, huh?
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oh darn
but then again, Barton ain’t exactly lighting the ST world on fire yet either.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's spring training Gameday
For everyone who strikes out swinging, all Gameday shows is 3 strikes and says all of them were swinging strikes. He very well could have struck out swinging on three pitches every time, but it’s probably not the case.
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by jd is legend on Feb 27, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I am watching gameday...did yadi really steal second or did they let him have it?
*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*
He took the pitcher by surprise (and me too)..
so the pitcher decided to throw to 3rd instead, trying to pick off Ankiel
by Brianzaredbird on Feb 27, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean "catcher".
There was a pitch and the catcher pump faked to 2nd and then threw to 3rd to try and get Ankiel wandering off 3rd. Didn’t work and I don’t think anyone was really covering 2nd anyway.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
Yes you're right
..it was the catcher of course, but second baseman was there by the time Molina arrived on 2nd
by Brianzaredbird on Feb 27, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody listening to gameday audio?
WFAN is supposedly carrying the game, but there’s some kind of crappy call-in show instead.
Did Motte always wear goggles?
Very Gagne-esque.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
hah!
he’s obviously been working on that… well, it appears that way so far
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
He couldn't find the strike zone
But then got Delgado with 3 straight curves. Slider wasn’t locating well. He’ll come around.
Awesome catch by Rick!
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
Lets hope
Ankiel hits 55 home runs to go along with Luddy’s 50.
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ha that reminds me
During Mardi Gras a guy was dressed up as Jesus carrying a sign “Judgement Day is Here! and I am here to Judge your Boobs”
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
his snarky t-shirts are all in aramaic
so nobody gets the joke.
by tom s. on Feb 28, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His dad is Livan Hernandez?
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
Spring Web Gem
Those plays scare me though. Tomorrow’s headline:
Ankiel to mis 6 weeks with oblique strain.
a little
but it’s their first outings.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I would think right now they are going up there and trying to throw strikes
If Lohse and the Colonel get lit up near the end of ST then I will be slightly concerned.
*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*
yeah
they are still working on location (and not blowing their arm’s out)
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
"one" of us
needs to stop the drinking….I hope it is you
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it sure as hell won't be me
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Anybody have the velocity on Walters?
And Motte, for that matter.
Gametracking from work. Thanks, guys (and gals).
According to SNY Motte was around 93-94
Gun might be a little slow..
by cloistermaximus on Feb 27, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
That
or it’s just getting warmed up this season.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure about Walters but the ESPN 101.1 guys were raving about Motte on Twitter
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Motte sure looked intense
He’s got this mountain man thing going on and looks like he wants to kill every hitter he was facing.
by cloistermaximus on Feb 27, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Motte is a monster
He almost short arms his throws making it even harder to pick up his release point making the pitches appear even faster
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by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
When will we be having Game Threads?
Must we wait all the way until Opening day?
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
huh
so new, special game threads for this season?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
What?
We will be able to converse with the BCB boys and the Phillies fans?
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
now that would be interesting
although I’m not so sure I would want that
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
that would be a terrible thing
we argue enough with ourselves
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yeah
it would just get ridiculous
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
most of BCB shouldn't be allowed here
they can’t control themselves
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Has Kinney always thrown a good Curveball?
I don’t recall seeing it in ’06 (just remember the slider).. But when he started falling behind hitters, Duncan came out and chatted and he started throwing the curve for strikes and nobody could hit it. The last one he through to Beltran was reminiscent of the Wainwright game 7 pitch and Beltran swung right through it.
by cloistermaximus on Feb 27, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions
According to Gametracker...
Trever Miller just replaced Trever Miller.
Wow. That’s impressive. I bet only Kentucky Colonels can do stuff like that.
Its Miller Time!!!
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
nope
he gets to keep that nickname imo
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I am rooting for both those guys
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Steven Hill - ultimate utility man
Mets broadcasters said he is listed as “Infielder/Outfielder/Catcher”. He struck out in the 8th.
so is allen craig making himself
the man to beat out, at third base?
Or am I getting excited too soon?
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
He's definitely not the man to beat out at first.
That was a bad throw.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
and then he makes an error
nice jinx, sleepy.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
rocky cherry
sounds like an ice cream
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
John jay is having a nice day. I think I will go outside and play, possibly with some clay and then eat some hay...
*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*
whadda ya say? I just may
Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.
by miniboscorino on Feb 27, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
DFA his ass!
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yum
Now you’ve gone and gotten me hungry
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by jd is legend on Feb 27, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
F**K!!!!
Dammit Royce
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
again
reminds me of last year, my heart!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 27, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what's up with Jim Edmonds?
Did he catch on with some other team? Has he announced his retirement?
by BTown Birds fan on Feb 27, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions
if you are anywhere near F15teen next Friday
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Just out of curiousity, does MLBtv allow you to watch games already finished
or only live.
I’m thinking about getting it for a month or 2 to watch ST games, but I might not be able to see enough live for it to be worth it.
I had it two years ago
I was blacked out of the STL games (yeah, even here in OK) and if it wasn’t for the fact that I could watched the game after a hour or two wait of the completed game, it wouldn’t have been worth the trouble.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Feb 27, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Black Out Rule in STL
Is the only reason I have not gotten MLB.TV.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 27, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
so long as you have an account
you can watch any archived game.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Feb 27, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
those of us living in Iowa
are really getting bent over by MLB.TV. I think they black out the Cards,Royals, Cubs, White Sox, Brewers, and Twins.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
That's just the tip of the iceberg
when discussion the reasons not to live in Iowa….
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
I would argue with you
but you are so right
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
Vegas gets screwed out of all the west coast teams too
MLB really needs to fix their blackout policy, and they almost did this off season but once again they decided to screw the fans out of more money instead of doing the right thing
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
the championship season games are archived
you can usually go back and watch them, but it usually takes a day or so to get them uploaded. I don’t know if they archive ST games though.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
You can also watch 2005 games
sometimes if you figure out the gameday wrap link for the games (or just go through the old calendar).
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 28, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Did anyone tape todays game?
I need just the bottom of the 8th inning. My DVR crapped out and I didn’t get home in time to roll it back.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 27, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions
Today's ending reminded me of the 08 Cardinals
Yes, it’s Spring Training, but I hope what happened at the end of today’s game isn’t a sign for the regular season. If Royce (Ring) could’ve held it together, I wouldn’t have had to hold my breath as I felt a loss coming on. The Cards were darn lucky to escape today.
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