An unfortunate Odalliance
First, some answers to the burning questions posed yesterday: the second Frank Thomas comp—in spite of some very creative answers involving The Other Frank Thomas, who probably doesn't like being called that (he'll have to take it up with The Other Harrison Ford)—was Troy Glaus, whom PECOTA likens to post-superstardom Frank Thomas. Sneaky.
The Tom Herr comparison is even sneakier—the answer is... Felipe Lopez.
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The big news in baseball today, as per the theory of baseball news relativity, is the conclusion of the bizarre Odalis Perez story. It happened, as all bizarre preseason news will, following the Nationals' landmark agreement with bizarre content providers, in Washington, and it brought Perez more attention than he's received in five years.
To summarize: Odalis Perez, favored punching bag of our own Albert Pujols, had his first good year in four last season, but he had the misfortune of doing it for the Washington Nationals—who, having escaped Montreal, are doing their best to turn D.C. into hockey fans.
As a result, it surprised people when he appeared to accept a minor league deal that sent him back to the Nationals. Sure, he sucked in 2007 and 2006; sure, he played for the Nationals, who have a TV contract with the DuMont Network; sure, the market's awful. But it's a rare player who pitches thirty starts with an average ERA one year and doesn't get guaranteed money the next.
At some point Perez figured that out himself, apparently, so he's been holding out, NFL-style, for the past two weeks, fingers in his contractual ears. Finally he got up and released, which brings us to the part of the story where we, as Cardinals fans, kick the tires.
QUESTION ONE: IS HE BETTER THAN, WELL, ANYBODY
You get right to the point—I like that. Here are some numbers.
YEAR
AGE
GS
IP
K/9
BB/9
HR/9
ERA
FIP
2005
28
19
108.7
6.3
2.4
1.1
4.56
3.89
2006
29
20
126.3
5.8
2.2
1.3
6.20
4.51
2007
30
26
137.3
4.0
3.1
0.9
5.57
4.84
2008
31
30
159.7
6.5
3.0
1.2
4.34
4.61
Stopping at 2005 makes him seem even less interesting than he is—his big year was 20-dickety-2, where he joined Hideo Nomo, Andy Ashby, Kaz Ishii, and Omar Daal in a deadly tontine that led to none of them being effective starting on January 1, 2003.
Hm—a guy with mediocre stuff and occasionally impressive control coming off his first positive year in some time who positively exudes, somehow, the feeling that an infielder might be felled by a line drive at any moment. His FIPs have been pretty decent, overall, but he's been "hittable" in a way that DIPS can't explain for years now, and at some point that has to mean something. The question you have to ask about any Odalis Perez acquisition is whether the Pineiro you don't know is better than the Pineiro who is set to receive $7.5 million in 2009.
QUESTION TWO: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS ALBERT PUJOLS'S FAULT
Since 2005 Albert Pujols has driven in 2.5% of the runs scored against Odalis Perez; he represents 0.8% of the batters Perez has faced in the same time period. Odalis Perez always has the same dream: he finds himself at a press conference, about to receive guaranteed money from a winning team, when—just as he's ready to sign the contract—a line drive snaps his pen in half and all the ink spills out.
"Sorry, Odalis," says the GM. "That's all the ink there is in the world! You want an NRI?"
A familiar voice calls out, echoing into the sudden, cold darkness:
"Time to wake up, mang."
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Perez's BABIP
I was curious, so I looked it up.
2006 KC .332
2006 LAN .372
2007 KC .341
2008 WAS .324
Last year his BABIP was the lowest he has had in years, but was still abnormally high for a pitcher.
Throughout this period, he has had unusually high BABIP. Maybe this means he has been unlucky, or maybe it means his approach is somehow flawed.
You do have to like the improved K rate.
by tarakas on Feb 24, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
probably partly he's been unlucky
It may also have something to do with being a relative soft-tosser (his fastball tops out in the high-80s and he only throws it about 43% of the time!). At that lower velocity, when people do make contact and put the ball in play you’ve got to imagine it’s liable to be hit hard. His main attribute seems to be that he doesn’t walk too many and doesn’t give up an outrageous number of HR as he’s mostly a groundballer.
But he has been a little unlucky and has been putting together solid back-of-the-rotation FIPs the last 4 or 5 years.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 24, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perez throws meat
When a pitcher’s BABIP is that high over a sustained period time, it means he throws meat. Perhaps he gives up a disproportiate amount of line drives vs. groundballs and flies, or perhaps hitters make harder contact consistently no matter the trajectory.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Feb 24, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
pointless to sign the guy
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
odalis career line drive rate allowed
is higher than what albert has produced.
by ball in play on Feb 24, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally
A ex-Nat i can talk about.
It would be a good pickup for the cards to sign odalis for about 1 mil guaranteed and have him as a swing-man/lefty long reliever.
The cardinals do not have any proven lefty pitching this year (and odalis’s era and FIP shows he does much better in the NL, and he’ll do better with the cardinals’ defense behind him than the nationals’ AA-team-for-half-the-year-because-of-injuries was), and i’m sure odalis would take a bullpen role if it keeps him on a major league roster. He’s playing in the WBC but it’s not as a starter.
Cardwash Definition: Birds on the Nat.
by cardwash on Feb 24, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
odalis has a proven spot with cards' lefties, you're right.
he would be the most proven to suck.
and the cards defense you speak of will have three new starters in the infield on opening day this year, so how about we wait and see how they do before penciling them in as a selling point for a minor league deal with a pitcher who just got released for throwing a tantrum about being signed to a minor leage deal.
if his national league FIP is an indicator of anything, its that the nationals were right to not give him a major league deal. if odalis would take a bullpen role to stay on a roster, he would’ve stayed with the nationals. seriously.
by adiueordie on Feb 25, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh?
His career National League FIP is about 4.10. His FIP the last four years is comparable to what Todd Wellemeyer/Braden Looper put up last year.
If anything I’d say it over-rates him considerably – he’s just not that good of a pitcher.
And as for his “most proven to suck” out of the cards’ lefties -
His OPS vs lefties last year (159 PA) was .652, better than Royce Ring in 2008 (.735) or career (.671), better than Charlie Manning in 2008 (.676; also his entire career figure), better than Trever Miller career (.709) but worse than Miller in 2008 (.612, however, that was with a worse OBP component (more important than slugging) than Perez, .305 to .293). Perez’s career OPS vs lefties is a much less impressive .748, so you might have a point, but his recent record against them is better than or equal to all our LOOGYs. And remember, Perez has been a starter in this period so you’d expect his record to be considerably worse than it would be coming out of the pen for only favourable matchups.
I certainly wouldn’t pick him up as a LOOGY as I think Miller and probably Ostlund are better in that role, but to say he’s significantly worse than Ring or Manning is probably unfair. You could probably throw the guy in pen and he’d be somewhere approaching an average lefty.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 25, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
all of those teams had pretty bad defenses over that time. The Nationals allowed a .305 BABIP against last year, KC allowed a .311 in 2007, the Dodgers allowed a .310 in 2006 and KC allowed a .315 in 06. Defense is the number one factor in BABIP.
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Feb 25, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
then again, how would those numbers have looked if Perez wasn’t in the starting rotation?
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by SleepyCA on Feb 25, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not that much better
He would only account for like 1/8 of the innings pitched at most in any given year.
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Feb 25, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Dan....
I think you got Odalis’ 2008 FIP wrong. I can’t see him remaining unsigned if he’d really put up a 3.23 last year – he’d have to have been very unlucky to only record a 4.34 ERA. As it was, Fangraphs has his FIP at 4.62, a notch of two down on his career average.
I reckon he’d be a great pickup. I’d have offered the guy $1m guaranteed at some point in the last month for sure. He’s no worse than Pineiro (who’s a better pitcher than most of us make out, about league-average if not slightly better as a #5) and, with our threadbare pitching depth, he should be someone Mo’s on the phone to right now.
Reasons:
1) as tarakas said above, he’s been a tad unlucky (though it’s doubtless partly due to his soft-tossing ways) to get smoked with high BABIPs the last couple of years
2) he’s been relatively durable and slightly-less-than-average the last 6 years, with his only major injury back in 05
3) he’s been reasonably effective the last few years – worth almost exactly 1.5 WAR for each of the last 4.
3) he’d be a useful back-up in the event of a Carp meltdown – right now, if K-Mac steps into the rotation, our bullpen looks horribly stretched with a wild-and-wooly Kinney, Franklin and the two youngsters as our only serviceable righties. We need K-Mac in the pen unless we sign another reliever. As we’re not anticipating a full-season workload from all five starters, we need someone to fill in innings and put some pressure on Piniero for the last rotation spot. For various reasons, Wellemeyer, Carp and Wainwright all have question marks over their ability to make 30 starts in 09.
4) our AAA options, with Garcia out, all look to me to be basically replacement-level. The ERA and FIP results for Boggs, Todd, Mortensen et al don’t fill me with any confidence that any of them are major league ready. Boggs, our current #6 needs to work on his secondary offerings, and Memphis is the right place to do that. I wouldn’t want to hurt his development by having him make a full season of appearances in Busch before he’s ready.
5) Perez upped his K rate last year, still doesn’t walk many, and is at least as good an Piniero. The average of Perez’s projections (James/CHONE/Marcel) for 09 are about 150 IP and a 4.5 FIP. Piniero’s are 135 IP (due in part to his shortened 07 season in the RedSox minor leagues/bullpen) at nearer 4.7 FIP.
It’s a classic low-risk, low-reward move to bolster a part of our roster that’s seriously short on depth. And it’ll cost us practically nothing.
SIGN HIM UP NOW.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 24, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
PPS....
Two things I neglected to mention above, possible counter-points to the sign Odalis argument -
1) He’s apparently a grade-A douche. In an org that seems to value “team chemistry” and has a manager who likes to fall out with players, that’s perhaps not an ideal combination.
2) He can’t hit a lick. Whilst his pitching last year was worth about as much as Braden Looper’s (Looper’s 1.7 wins to Perez’s 1.5) his hitting was worth over half a win less than Loop’s, making him a less valuable player in the NL. It’s possible Perez has a bit more upside, though, as he has been an occasionally dominant pitcher in the past and is still only 32.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 24, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not so sure that we need him
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
except for Pujols batting practice
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he can pitch BP to Albert, and Backe can heckle him from the stands
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by gdm426 on Feb 24, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you didn't
kick the puppy
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by sportsman on Feb 24, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still remeber Albert's last walk-off HR he hit
against Odalis and LA in 14 innings, back in ’06. And I remember Odalis saying he was trying to walk him. Guy just has no luck against the Mang.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 24, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
PS
Dan, that last paragraph is one of the best things I’ve ever read…
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 24, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
Pujols owns a lot of people, but does seem to take great pride in torturing Perez. With the talk of future free agency and the Cardinals history of losing hall of fame first basemen, I hope we can find away to keep him through the end of his career. God only knows what we’d be without him.
by MRCARD on Feb 24, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think they have to lose more than 1 1B before it becomes a history.
by Czechguardsman on Feb 25, 2009 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh man, that release has really haunted this franchise, though.
by adiueordie on Feb 25, 2009 6:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
History
Actually, no. Losing 1 firstbaseman would still be history, though I admit that the ‘basemen’ would have to be more than one and the article only mentioned 1. Saying that, we did trade hall of famers Jim Bottomley and Orlando Cepeda (though Torre was a nice hall). Keith Hernandez and Bill White were nice all-stars (that we didn’t get much for) too.
by MRCARD on Feb 25, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The "Big Cat" lament
Yes, that move was quite unfortunate, in hindsight, but, apparently, normal operating procedure for Mr. Rickey. He traded almost every “star” the Cards had in the ’30’s and early ’40’s before they got “old” (or maybe it was expensive).
My girls bought me “The Baseball Chronicle” for Christmas this year. I’ve been reading one year a day since then and it’s a wonderful stroll back. Even though the Cards were very good in the ’40’s, one has to wonder if the Big Cat were still there with Musial, et al if that success would have carried through into the early ’50’s. I’m just glad that Mr. Rickey was no longer GM when Mr. Musial came around!
by ArkansasTravs on Feb 25, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gee do we really want the herpeed wonder roaming the night of St. Louis?
anyway I cant believe the expectations have gotten so low for the Cards that we are trying to get excited over a slight possibility of Odalis Perez
Dont take me seriously :-D
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by jealousblues on Feb 24, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's not that "expectation have gotten so low"
- that’s a bit facetious, perhaps. It’s simply because there’s someone out there who offers positive performance (better than our current 6th starter and our current #5 are likely to put up) who’s available for virtually nothing.
These low-risk, low-reward “adding a useful piece for peanuts” sort of moves can really improve a team, and it’s an easy way to add a win or two for little outlay. It’s what the Rays have been doing successfully all off-season, adding small, incremental improvements in areas where they lack depth or where the current incumbent is easily improveable (see: Boggs or Piniero c.2009). I’d still have preferred, you know, Derek Lowe or somebody, but I’d rather have Odalis Perez than nada, arguments in favour of trying out the youngsters notwithstanding.
It isn’t sexy but keep adding half a win here, half a win there, and proofing our team against the extreme likelihood of injuries as the season rolls on, and it could add up to the marginal gains needed for a place in the postseason. Plus, if it doesn’t work, you’ve lost nothing but pocket-change.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 24, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how about adding a LHRP that can pitch in the role TLR will use him in
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by jealousblues on Feb 24, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be up for that
Get Ohman, if he’s cheap enough. He’d be a great addition too. Although I kind of feel that it’d be unlucky for Ian Ostlund, I think he could be really good and I’d like to see what he’s got this year. Presumably an Ohman addition = Ostlund, Ring & Manning in AAA.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 25, 2009 5:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Odalis to pitch BP to Albert
since B. Backe isn’t available. . .
I mean, pitchers have their own personal receivers, so why can’t hitters have the same luxury?
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by gocards62 on Feb 24, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Perez will take a significant discount
or even pay us to play in St Louis due to the fact that he won’t have to face the mang a couple of times a year…
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 24, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
I just had that idea too
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Truly hilarious
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by redbirdnation8206 on Feb 24, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh what should have been
Sigh, single tear runs down cheek.
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by That's a Winner on Feb 24, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by jd is legend on Feb 24, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we should pay him at least $2M
to pitch for any other NL Central team that will guarantee him a spot in the rotation.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Feb 24, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
spring training game 1 lineup released
Bombs at 3B, Cobbler at 2B, Rasmus in LF, Ank in CF
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure everyone is happy
that TLR thinks that Rasmus needs more seasoning before elbowing Ank out of Center Field. Even I know that he should switch the two, and Ankiel is one of my favorite players.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only way that makes sense
is if they are trying to give a (hopefully) healthy Ank a chance to show he can be a league average or better defensive CF to enhance his trade value. Otherwise, it is just TLR giving away games.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Feb 24, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was thinking just after I read the post
to give the impression that Ankiel is a truly legit CF… must be wanting to trade him
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The other way it makes sense
It’s Game One of Spring Training.
by ubeddie on Feb 24, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, really
let’s not micronalyze spring training positional assignments. Espeically when everyone’s going to get completely moved around anyway.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Feb 24, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
although
if this is how the starting lineup looks for opening day, I am very excited.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sucks for Molina
and I think Tony will get a letter from the Commissioner for using the DH in the National League.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 24, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does the Commissioner even know
that there is a National League?
by Evilfrog on Feb 24, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he finds out there is...
will he get another 18.3 million a year?
by random on Feb 24, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The commissioner is a former owner of the Brewers
just sayin’
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Feb 25, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Moved around"
Hoping to see TLR’s ST lineup with:
C Pujols
1b Schu
2b Ank
3b Dunc
SS Ank
LF Gibran
CF Freese
P Luddy
RF Yadi
Then we’ll know it’s pasture time for the Brain.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 24, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ank would certainly
have to show some range, playing the whole MI, wouldn’t he?
by WyoCardsFan on Feb 24, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Let’s put Pinata at 2b, then. Thought I had screwed the pooch, somehow, b/c I had 8 fielders in mind, but was covering 9 positions with no pitchers.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 25, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
still
anyone else just a little bit excited about the first spring training game? I’ve been trying to figure out how many of the Cards ST games are gonna be on MLB.TV (i hate dealing with mlb.com). I guess the games might be on KTRS (audio)? We’ll see.
by phesto on Feb 24, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on.
No doubt you are “shocked, shocked” to learn that TLR is throwing a curve at a touted rookie. This is sun-rises-in-the-East stuff.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 24, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought we just wentover how much better it would be for Ras to play CF and Ank RF
now we have a poor defender at CF and a guy who could struggle at the plate (but star in the field negating the offensive deficiency) in a position where his defense isnt goign to matter as much
Dont take me seriously :-D
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by jealousblues on Feb 24, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps
or they are trying to show off ankiel for a trade. or it’s just a random thing in ST
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan, I may be one of the few people here who actually know ...
what the DuMont Network was…I thought it was a great line, and I wanted you to know that it wasn’t wasted on me!
by tbell61 on Feb 24, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also "20-dickety-2."
Any time you can sneak in a line from Abe, it’s a good thing.
by Archaeopteryx on Feb 24, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does your father know you are here?
Well then, I’ll take a gin.
by Hardcore Legend on Feb 24, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mang
Ok, I’ll go ahead and ask a dumb question. Why do we call him the Mang? I’m sure there is a perfectly good (and obvious) reason that I’m missing. Anybody wanna fill me in? Thanks a bunch.
As for Perez, I loved when he gave up that 14th innning bomb to Pujols. Right after all of those comments about being treated like garbage, and then Pujols took out the trash. Top 10 moments of that season in my book (well behind any postseason moments, but in a season where just about every game mattered it was up there).
by Gibson on Feb 24, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Mang
First place I saw it was in the classic Fungoes April Fools article Pujols comes clean, reveals problem with "bionic elbow". An even funnier read with all the A-Rod uproar.
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by That's a Winner on Feb 24, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Listen to him answer questions in news conferences etc.
It’s just a pronunciation problem he has.
by sdrone on Feb 24, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mang
Hey, I got a snake “Mang”. Thanks for the urban dictionary link. Wasted my last half hour.
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by norlanski on Feb 24, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mang...
= Man in Pujolsian.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
by cardzfanbub on Feb 24, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was supposed to be a reply...
Crap!
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
by cardzfanbub on Feb 24, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: interesting quote from Russ Springer on Chris Perez (and Motte)
Springer thinks either can perform the ninth-inning role, that is if they make certain adjustments that Springer and others had suggested.
…
“Perez throws hard, too, but he’s got a better breaking ball. But he needs to learn how to throw it out from the same slot as the fastball. He’s got two different arm slots and hitters can pick that up.” -link
This ties into some of the discussion in the comments for chuckb’s article the other day…
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by SleepyCA on Feb 24, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ha!
There was just a huge disagreement about weather hitters had enough time to pick that up just the other day here
Dont take me seriously :-D
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by jealousblues on Feb 24, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whether
Dont take me seriously :-D
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NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Feb 24, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's why i brought it back up
of course, the argument was over whether they could discern 2 inches of difference, not two totally different arm slots, but I thought it was an interesting reprise.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Feb 24, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You wonder
whether TLR and Dunc are happy or sad to see that little trivium made public. Or is it so well known among NL hitters that they don’t care?
by StanTheManFan on Feb 24, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine
most major league ball clubs employ scouts and have a VHS machine.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 25, 2009 6:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no way
i’m pretty certain this was russ’ way of taking a shot at the cards for not re-signing him. its a good thing no one follows the athletics.
by adiueordie on Feb 25, 2009 7:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
Pujols needs to let it all out sometimes…. hopefully some team in the central, ha!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 6:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cubs sign him as their closer!
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 24, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got my Maple Street Press Cardinals Annual
in the mail yesterday. I am very impressed – all Cardinals, all the time, (except for a brief preview of the other NL Central teams) for 128 pages. Great articles on Cardinals past, present and future. Great photography also (classic old picture of Dave Duncan included). Definitely worth the money. Great job by all you blogger types!
Did I mention it was great and I was very impressed?
"Yeah, you can write, you can feel, you can think. Whaddaya want, a medal?" - Paul Westerberg
by Edbird on Feb 24, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Got mine yesterday too.
And I was equally impressed. Nice job by one and all. All Cardinals all the time = sweet!
by cardsgirl95 on Feb 24, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i need to get one of those
does anyone have the link?
by adiueordie on Feb 24, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I lack the skill to link,
but chuckb put it in a Fan Shot recently. You can find it by going to the older Fan Shots.
by cardsgirl95 on Feb 24, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Linky
http://www.maplestreetpress.com/book.cfm?book_id=45
“Color Me Impressed”
"Yeah, you can write, you can feel, you can think. Whaddaya want, a medal?" - Paul Westerberg
by Edbird on Feb 24, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fyi
When I hit that link my anti-virus goes off.
I’m running Avira.
by sdrone on Feb 25, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
weird
that happened to me too.
i thought it was a coincidence, and almost posted the same thing. i still ordered it, though. i’m running avast.
by adiueordie on Feb 25, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
got mine today
fabulous quality, much better than what I expected, with the print production on par with what you’d get from the team media guide except that the analysis is much better and the writers don’t pull any punches. The authors are critical, but VEB-style, with analysis to back it up, rather than bernie-style blather ;) And the player blurbs are well-researched enough that I learned something I didn’t know about almost every player. Amazing.
I just ordered a second copy to be sent to my Dad in Branson…
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Feb 24, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you could order a third copy for me, i'd greatly appreciate it
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Feb 25, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen one yet,
so I’m glad to hear they’re getting good marks.
by DanUpBaby on Feb 24, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i stayed up later than i should have last night reading mine
got caught up in the mike matheny interview… great stuff! makes me want the season to start NOW!!
if you can’t trust a southern lawyer cooking a kosher meal in a dumpster,
well, then, the world has grown far too cynical
by RosevilleRedbird on Feb 25, 2009 12:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS SO DEPRESSING......
MY GOD. Now we are seriously debating Odalis Perez as the best remaining option out there. Before I say anything else, I mean, this guy is another borderline-type guy who went AWOL from the NATS.
This off-season started off quite promisingly. There was a whole army of attractive FAs out there and that is including non-tendered guys. At first, there were the forlorn hopes that we might somehow make moves on Sabathia and Burnett. Once those ideas were quickly dashed, at least a serious run could be made at Derek Lowe. After that, then we figured SURELY one of Looper/Garland/Wolf would find his way here. Heck, if we wanted to dig low, I wouldn’t have minded matchng Washington’s offer to D-Cab(who could have been Chris Carpenter part 2)
And now look at the guys who are seriously being bandied about as potential IMPROVEMENTS for this team… Odalis Perez, Chuck James, Kris Benson, amongst the other AAAA veteran fodder. When Trever Miller to date is the biggest FA acquisition, followed closely by Royce Ring, there is a big problem. Is it lack of ambition? The lack of activity is especially disappointing considering the depth of the FA market this offseason and the supposedly “depressed” market. I do acknoweldge that they did grossly overpay for Loshe a couple days after the season ended but seeing all the potential pickups going elsewhere is just so depressing. The failure to bring back Looper when all else supposedly failed is inexcusable, considering the contract Looper signed with Milwaukee. And if they seriously think that Trever Miller, Manning, and Ring are going to hold up in the LOOGY department for the whole season, then Mo is sticking his head in the sand.
I say NO to Odalis, James, Benson. I’m fed up with the Kip Wells caliber acquisitions the last 4 years. I would just rather trot Piniero out there for 32 starts. Failing that, just let Boggs/Mortenson/Todd or a combo thereof go out there and do their best. I just can’t stand to see people hoping for Odalis Perez, of all people to come in here and be some sort of savior. The Wells/Encarnacion type of acquisitions have clearly set a standard for nothing better than mediocrity. There is no hope but to sign anyone who can be more than a placeholder, instead of a difference maker, if even they deign to sign anyone at all.
If they will run out and get someone, just go out and get Beimel/Ohman/Guardado and call it an offseason. The only way the rotation can really be improved at this point barring a trade is to work out a sign-and-swap to bring in Juan Cruz to take K-MACs spot in the pen and then move K-MAC to the rotation.
by Czechguardsman on Feb 25, 2009 2:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BEN SHEETS!!!!
oh.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Feb 25, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t stand to see people hoping for Odalis Perez, of all people to come in here and be some sort of savior.
I’m not sure anyone said that. He’s basically free (by MLB standards) and could add some depth. That’s all. No-one’s arguing he should be the opening day starter, and no-one even wants him in the rotation (except possibly instead of Pineiro, but it’s close).
Just because we all wanted to see Lowe, or Sheets, or some other big FA acquisition and it hasn’t come to pass, doesn’t mean that the ballclub should ignore any freely available talent out there. I can understand the frustration with the club (I had my hopes pinned on Sheets, or, at worst, someone like Garland, before it became clear that Carp might be ready for opening day) but ignoring small, incremental additions that might help the ballclub just because we wanted a big signing is a bit obtuse, IMO.
The Rays and RedSox have had fantastic off-seasons by signing cheap, under-the-radar talent to small or incentive-based contracts and have improved already very good teams by filling a few minor gaps and improving depth. There’s a lot to be said for moves like that.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 25, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the red sox can make moves like that
because they don’t “need” those players.
they’re luxury signs. boston has all the power in the negotiating process because they don’t really need those players. the players sign with them for less because they want to win.
and czech, did you really expect st. louis to sign sabathia or burnett? or did you really want garland or wolf? you can only win the world series in october. not in nov-feb.
by adiueordie on Feb 25, 2009 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
But we don’t really “need” Perez either. He’s just added depth if a starter goes down, or if all our unproven LOOGYs barring Miller totally suck. I think he’s probably better than anything we’ve got in AAA at the moment. That’s my argument.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 25, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was just rant time.
I never expected any more than Looper or Garland.
by Czechguardsman on Feb 25, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Slow down dude
I don’t think anyone here seriously wants Odalis in the rotation. And don’t worry, we’ll trade for Halladay in June….maybe…..ok, probably not but there could still be a trade left to make out there. I trust Mo, and remember ST has just barely begun. Deals can be made until the end of July.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 25, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We WILL trade for Halladay (:
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Feb 25, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap...
I need a game thread!
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by Alxfritz on Feb 25, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll settle for an RB post
This is why I look forward to Wednesdays
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 25, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Todays Cards Lineup
Today’s lineup vs. Florida, start time 12:05 p.m. CT:
1. Schumaker 2B
2. Rasmus LF
3. Pujols 1B
4. Ankiel CF
5. Ludwick RF
6. Duncan DH
7. K. Greene SS
8. LaRue C
9. Mather 3B
Scheduled to pitch: Blake Hawksworth (starter), Fernando Salas, Francisco Samuel, Shaun Garceau, Royce Ring, Brad Furnish, Katsuhiko Maekawa.
Cardinals are listed as the home team at Roger Dean Stadium today.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Feb 25, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
any chance this is on TV or Radio?
It would be sweet
Dont take me seriously :-D
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Feb 25, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that actually looks like a hell of a line up.
if we were in the DH league but still
Dont take me seriously :-D
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Feb 25, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday
I don’t believe it’s on Audio or MLB.TV, per this link:
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/schedule/broadcast.jsp
, which says that the first radio game will be Saturday.
But last year they did have all the games in the Gameday viewer. Does anyone have a link to where that might be?
by blehmann on Feb 25, 2009 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes I do
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Feb 25, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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