Opening Day Roster Prediction
Predicted Opening Day Roster and Depth Chart (reserves in parentheses, platoons in bold):
Molina (LaRue), c
Pujols (Duncan), 1b
Schumaker and Ryan, (Thurston), 2b
Greene (Ryan), ss
Freese (Mather), 3b
Duncan and Barton, lf
Ankiel (Schumaker), cf
Ludwick (Mather), rf
Bench: Barton, Ryan, Mather, Thurston, LaRue
That projection is based on these interrelated assumptions, taken as a whole:
- The Cardinal roster will include 13 hitters and 12 pitchers.
- Rasmus does not make the opening day roster, unless the Cardinals can manage to trade Ankiel or Ludwick before the end of spring training. Rasmus will be added to the ML team only if there is a full-time slot for him. If not, the Cards will give him a bit more time in Memphis. There are just too many experienced outfielders already on the roster to give Rasmus a full time role, unless the Cards trade away one of their three starting outfielders: Ludwick seems an unlikely trade candidate, since he is an All Star with a relatively low salary and the only RH hitter who starts in the OF, and he is a couple of years away from free agency; Ankiel, who can be a free agent next year, is going to be a regular starter as long as he is on the team, either to keep his trade value up or to maintain his value as a Type A or B free agent, so the Cards will get good draft picks if Rick does become a free agent next year; LaRussa and Mozeliak have made comments recently which clearly indicate that Chris Duncan will be the starter in LF if he is healthy, and by all reports Duncan is back to full health, with a new titanium vertebra. Duncan's trade value is too low to trade him, until he demonstrates in the regular season that his return to full strength is lasting. So unless Ankiel (or Ludwick) is traded or one of them or Chris Duncan goes on the DL, Rasmus will have no place to play full time with the Cardinals. The best bet seems to be that the Cards will trade away Ankiel by mid-season, if not before, and bring Rasmus up to the team then..
- Freese is likely to win the 3B job while Glaus is on the DL; Freese is very good defensively, better at 3B than Mather, and his projected hitting performance, based on his minor league experience, is better than Barden or Ryan, the other possibilities at 3B.
- Schumaker is likely to win a platoon position at 2B; the Cards need him to lead off; he is out of options; there is a big surplus of other players for the outfield positions who have much higher OPS; his trade value is too low to get much in return for him, so Skip's greatest value for the Cards probably is at 2B. If he plays well enough to keep the job, he could be the Cardinal secondbaseman beyond this year, at low cost. But there's a problem: Schumaker does not hit LHP well.
- Brian Barton is the only Cardinal other than Schumaker who fits the leadoff position in the batting order. His OBP has been very high in the minors and it was more than adequate with the Cards last year. He is the only RH outfielder on the roster other than Mather. His defense in LF is as good as Chris Duncan's. All this qualifies Barton for a platoon position in LF and a pinch-hitting and pinch-runner role.
- Ryan is out of options and his hitting vs. LHP, despite last year's poor hitting, makes him the best candidate, along with Brian Barden, to platoon at 2B vs. LHP. LaRussa was quoted in the last week saying that Ryan could go all spring without playing at 2B and still be in the starting lineup at that position on opening day. Unless Ryan plays himself off the team, he would be good RH players in a platoon with Schumaker at 2B. Barden would win that role if Ryan failed. Ryan and Barden would both be solid backups, as well, for Greene at SS.
- Mather's performance last year and his RH bat make him the best fit among all candidates for a role as RH pinch hitter with power. He can also serve as backup at 3B, 1B, and OF.
- Thurston's hitting at AAA last year indicates he'd be a solid utility infielder. Thurston bats LH, with some power, while Ryan and Barden are RH hitters, with little power. So Thurston would be the best bet as the LH pinch hitter with power, among the bench candidates. Although Thurston, Ryan, and Barden are billed as part of the competition for the 2B job, along with Schumaker, it seems highly unlikely that any of them would displace Schumaker, since he is crucial as the leadoff hitter. So Thurston seems to be the best fit for the utility infielder position, unless he plays himself back to AAA.
There's a lot of room for discussion and debate in all this, obviously. I look forward to hearing the analysis, insights, and arguments of others. If this post generates enough commentary, I'll add some statistical analysis and other evidence to support the assumptions I've listed.
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Is Tony LaRussa lowering expectations for the arrival date for Rasmus?
Tony LaRussa is quoted in today’s Post Dispatch saying this: “(Rasmus) has to be one of the three best to get the job. It’s not like ‘Oh, if he just gets close.’ No, he has to be better than those other guys…. he’s walking into a situation where there are some proven producers. All of those guys have done something in the big leagues.”
It sounds as if LaRussa is already preparing fans for the likelihood that Rasmus will not make the opening day roster…..
Ugh...
he’s walking into a situation where there are some proven producers.
And how did they get that way Tony? They played at the ML level!
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 23, 2009 7:02 AM EST up reply actions
Rasmus was one of the best last year.
If they want to play him they will. If they don’t they won’t. Ignore the spin for the next month and just wait for the outcome.
Oh, I know
I honestly believe that Raz will be patrolling CF on opening day. I just don’t like it when someone brings up the “proven” argument, that is all.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Feb 23, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Rasmus was arguably the Cardinals' very best outfielder last spring, agreed,
yet he got sent back to AAA while the less proficient Skip Schumaker made the team. It seems inevitable, given Colby’s current state of development already and his high potential, that Rasmus would not be the starting centerfielder in St. Louis this season, eventually, if he stays healthy. But cutting through all the spin, the Cardinals already have three outfielders that fit LaRussa’s criteria for making the team, so there just isn’t room for Rasmus in a full time role, without a trade (of Ankiel or Ludwick most likely). We all know LaRussa’s bias for veterans who have demonstrated already that they are major leaguers and that they have “paid their dues”. Rasmus last year was competing with Juan Gonzales, among others! Sheesh!
I thought all the outfielders were above average last spring training
I didn’t really see any of them sticking out too much, and skip had good ST numbers as far as I remember.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Duncan had a terrible spring last year,
Other than that they were all pretty solid.
And I say England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston.
by tangledbrett on Feb 23, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
and yet
Duncan was a starter. ugh. hope we don’t get more of the same this year.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
do yourself a favor & never read anything burwell writes
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
ManRam
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Another comment from LaRussa that indicates Rasmus will start in AAA
This time reported by Derrick Goold, today, who notes Tony’s comment, “He’s still a rookie who has to get some seasoning before elbowing aside one of the other guys.”
I thought that was related to the first spring training game
as to why he won’t be starting Colby in center, but who knows.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I like the way you think
I just hope this is what we get
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 23, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions
You are underating Barton
His defense in left was well above average in limited playing time last year. He had around a 15 UZR/150. I think that he is the best candidate on the team to lead off because he figures to have the highest ISO OBP (besides Pujols) and he has good speed.
vivaelbeñsheets
he did say that only Barton and Mather are righthanded
but Ludwick is too fwiw… I’m not sure that I read it that he was saying Barton’s defense wasn’t that great, or maybe he did?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ludwick hits with the splits of a lefthanded batter
but you are quite right, he does bat righthanded. Ludwick seems to be better “protection” for Pujols than Ankiel (or Glaus), and his cost is low, and he won’t be a free agent next year, like Ankiel (and Glaus) will be, so it does seem to make the most sense for the team to keep Ludwick and trade Ankiel.
he bats right throws left
Chuck Norris hit a Home Run
with his beard
by bearcatcardfan on Feb 24, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Barton would be an excellent choice, given the team's current needs, I agree.
You make a good point about his UZR/150, but his arm is considered a bit weak and his throws are regarded as not as accurate as they need to be, as I understand it. Still, given his speed and athletic ability, he is still a solid outfielder, at least, IMHO. I may well have underated him in my comments.
i agree...
i believe that barton would be the starting leftfielder on a few ML teams…he’d be great to have as a 4th or 5th outfielder
this whole outfield conversation
has been going on for quite some time now, eh?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 23, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I am still suprised we never traded an outfielder this offseason
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 23, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
to me, that was the one thing I thought was a mandatory thing to get done. not one outfielder. wow. too bad they can’t put like 5 outfielders on the field!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 24, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not buying the Thurston experiment
I’d guess Rasmus makes it over Barton and Barden makes it over Thurston. With Rasmus playing everyday in center, Duncan spends most of the week coming off the bench as a left handed pinch hitter, negating the need for Thurston. Barden is the better defensive player and I think he makes for a good late inning replacement for Schumaker and Freese in the early part of the season.
B.S.
Sorry
I was practicing some code and hit enter and it did this above. Disregard please. Anyone know how to create tables in here?
A manager who put Miles at SS won't balk at putting Schu at 2B
My guess is that the “experiment” with Schumaker at 2B is actually a given, unless Schumaker plays himself out of the position. Miles had never played SS in a major league game before he played for LaRussa. And Miles never played SS well, yet LaRussa kept putting him in the lineup at that position often, over two seasons.
So, given that Schumaker played SS in college and that he has good athletic ability, it seems logical to assume that Schumaker will be the starting secondbaseman unless his fielding at 2B is worse than Miles’ fielding was at SS. Schu should be able to meet that standard without much problem….
In time
I think Duncan will be replaced by June 1 by Rasmus. I just don’t think he will cut it. He frustrated the crap out of me last year
Ryan
Brendan Ryan is NOT out of options…he has one left. I think there’s a good chance he’ll start the year in Memphis.
Molina/LaRue
Pujols
Greene
Ludwick
Ankiel
Duncan
Schumaker
Rasmus, Mather, Barton, Freese, Barden
Okay
Lineup:
2B Schumaker
RF Ludwick
1B Pujols
LF Ankiel
3B Freese
CF Rasmus
SS Green
SP (insert .130 hitter here)
CA Yada
Duncan, Mather, Ryan, Thurston, Pornstache
Rotation:
Wainwright
Carpenter
Lohse
Wellemeyer
Pinhead
Pen:
K-Mac
PK
Miller
Ring
Perez
Kinney
Franklin
Memphis reserves:
Todd
Boggs
Motte
Barden
Barton
vivaelbeñsheets
What I'd like to see:
vs. RHP
Skip 2B
Rasmus CF
Albert 1B
Ank RF
Luddy LF
Greene SS
Yadi C
Pitcher P
Mather 3B
vs. LHP
Barton RF
Mather 3B
Albert 1B
Luddy LF
Ank CF
Greene SS
Yadi C
Pitcher P
Thurston 2B
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
Put Luddy in right and we are in total agreement
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Feb 27, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions



















