the juice

by sprfldcard on Feb 17, 2009 9:01 PM EST Comment 9 comments

obviously baseball has a blackeye that will seemingly never go away. virtually everyone involved seems to bear some of the blame. selig, the owners, gms, managers, and scouts all had a very good idea about what was going on . . . all of them turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the situation. even players who weren't using (such as the much recently championed mike greenwell who was robbed of the mvp by canseco), could have spoken up and exposed a terrible situation. they did not. no one spoke up--at least did not speak up loudly enough until some of the juicers exposed themselves--caminitti, canseco, & so on. as more information comes to light and names are exposed, people like tejada, petitte, & arod are having to face the music. that is great--i hope all those names come to light.

i have a plan for teams to fix this problem. i realize that bud selig has the spine of a chocolate eclair and will never step up but individual teams could. tlr has championed "zero tolerance" imagine if an owner stipulated that he would not pay or sign any player that was a user . . . and imagine in an owner stepped up and said that any contracts signed with his team would have clauses that stated that a contract would be void if a player used. since mlb won't do this, is it possible that there is one courageous owner out there--one owner with a spine . . . yeah, doubt it

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DeWitt?

He would love an excuse not to sign free agents.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 17, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

LOL!

That’s funny! But probably true.

by mattscards77 on Feb 17, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

You do realize

that they’re now testing for steroids, right? Players who flunk tests will be suspended for 50 games. There is a strong incentive not to use and built in consequences for those who do. So why is this even necessary? They’re not going to sign anyone who EVER used? Everyone’s to blame but the only ones punished will be the player? And that was for what he did several years ago.

And one reason Bud Selig won’t “step up” to take your advice here is b/c he can’t. This would be called collusion and would violate the CBA. Regardless, it’s an unnecessary rule since there are already provisions to help to insure that steroid users are punished.

by chuckb on Feb 17, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

IF a player used before 20003

I really do not care anymore. Before this there was cocaine, and before coke there was amphetamines. Hell, how about watching your first at bat against the pitcher in the clubhouse while waiting to see him for the second time. Players have been doing what ever they can to get advantage even if the advantage his just psychological. I am not excusing it. I am saying it is nothing new. How about sharpening your spikes and sliding high?

104 positive tests were all supposed to be kept secret.. Why was A-Rod’s named released and not any of the others? Is he the biggest name? Or is he the most villainous name? The New York media certainly is having a field day with this. If there was a way to bring down some of these sanctimonious sports writers I would love to take a swipe at them. Most of them are nothing more than "Tiny brained wipers of other peoples bottoms." If I was in A-Rod position I would be talking to my lawyers about who we could start a law suit against.

Everyone in the country knows about the problem baseball had. 100 years from now ever baseball fan will know the problem baseball had 100 years ago. There is no way players should be *’d because of it. The footnote if any is on the 10 years or so this WAS a problem. IT IS OVER!

by nybirdfan on Feb 18, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Sheesh, my how the years have flown by!!!

I think the 275 mil left on his contract will suffice enough…no need to sue and lost half of it in court costs.

Chuck Norris bows to no man...but he does bow to The Mang.

by miniboscorino on Feb 18, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it is not about the money

this is about character assignation. I am not a Yankee or A-Rod fan, but what happen to A-Rod was an injustice. Baseball has suffered a wound and it will not heal if the media insist on picking at the scab.

by nybirdfan on Feb 18, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it's hardly character assassination to say a-rod flunked a drug test.

1) it was true.
2) it was directly relevant to the performance of a public figure in his chosen sphere of work.

it’s much more relevant than noting that he’s dating madonna or hanging out at strip clubs — neither of those provide him any sort of improvement on the field. at least steroids have to do with how he plays baseball.

if somehow the drug test results were obtained illicitly, then maybe they invaded his expectation of privacy, but that’s about it. the simple fact that someone reported a fact that reflected negatively on his character doesn’t make this character assassination.

by tom s. on Feb 18, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well, i have to disagree.

where are the other 103 names! Why Him? I have a gut feeling that some one desided to leak his name and his only. Granted it is only a feeling, but if it were me I would want to get the bastard!

by nybirdfan on Feb 18, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well,

Coke was believed to be a pick me up. It was also thought to have no ill side effects or even be addictive. Some players were getting high during games because they thought it gave them an edge. Uppers were used to get through long road trips, day games after night games etc. As I said I am not excusing any of it.

Maybe released was the wrong word to use about A-Rod. “Leaked” is probably more like what happened. If a player has not used since 2003 then no one should ever know that he once did. Punishing the players by stripping them of their records would be so hypocritical of baseball. This problem goes way beyond the players. Even fans have their role in this. We turned a blind eye cause we loved 585 ft shots. To now crucify a player for something he did is just wrong. Players who test positive now will be punished, but what is done is done. * The whole era if you want to but we most stop taking one player at a time out to the wood shed for a good whipping.

We must stop picking at the scab if we want the wound to heal.

by nybirdfan on Feb 19, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs