boxing day
by tom s. on Dec 26, 2009 7:36 AM EST
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boxing day, contrary to popular belief, is neither a celebration of pugilism nor of the mound of cardboard boxes left behind from christmas gifts. boxing day is a latter-day celebration of st. stephen's day - as in, "good king wencelas looked out on the feast of stephen." various theories have been proposed relating to the giving or use of boxes on this date.
today, the day is celebrated in the UK and Canada and throughout the many former British colonies comprising the Commonwealth. when it falls on a saturday (as today) the next monday is sometimes taken off as a holiday. if you are like me, you have forever been perplexed when you look at your calendar and see on december 26th: "Boxing Day (Can.)."
so it seems like today would be an appropriate day to take stock of the canadians among us. especially in cardinal baseball.
there is one real, live, hockey-watching, "eh"-saying canadian player on the cardinals team: blake hawksworth. blake hails from british columbia, also home to rich harden and wolverine. he was born in north vancouver; "vancouver" is canadian for "seattle but with free health care."
another current member of the cards staff with a maple leaf flag hidden in his closet is dave mckay. dave mckay was born in vancouver and is a member of the canadian baseball hall of fame, which is like the american baseball hall of fame, except the canadian baseball hall of fame is full of people you have never heard of except for a few americans who happened to play for canadian teams, like gary carter and andre dawson.
even stranger, a few other americans are in the canadian baseball hall of fame simply because they are famous and have marginal contacts with canadian baseball. tommy lasorda, for instance, who is as canadian as pork lo mein, made the canadian baseball hall of fame for pitching for the montreal royals in the 50's and 60's in the international league. sparky anderson is also in the canadian baseball hall of fame, for pitching for the toronto maple leafs, which sure confused the hell out of all the guys in skates.
one recent canadian cardinal with which you may be familiar is larry walker - also from british columbia. he was first drafted by the expos - a former baseball team, sited in montreal. in french, expo means "badly-managed ball club in a place where people don't really like baseball." the montreal expos later moved to washington, d.c. where they continued their long tradition of being the worst team in the national league. walker's career with the cards was brief but stellar. he is regularly mentioned as a possible future coach. he was the first canadian to win an mvp (followed by justin morneau). he was the home run champ in 1997, then led the league in batting average in 1998, 1999, and 2001.
winner of the greatest 21st century baseball name that sounds like it comes from 1905 is stubby clapp, also a canadian. clapp played for one season with the big club in 2001, but is maybe more fondly remembered by the folks in memphis. his was the first jersey ever retired by the memphis redbirds, which is a concept that really confuses the heck out of me. being in the hall of fame of a AAA club but playing minimally at the major league level seems like being inducted into the great losing gubernatorial candidates club.
rheal cormier pitched for the cards in the early 90's and was born in moncton, new brunswick. he spent a couple of years as a starter for the cards and the red sox and wasn't terribly good at it. he finished out the 2000's as a reliever with an middling record but for a 2003 campaign with a 234 ERA+ and a 1.70 ERA. for a pitcher with an undistinguished career, he stuck it out in the majors for 16 seasons to the age of 40.
while not a cardinal, a significant canadian baseball player had a st. louis tie. tip o'neill was born in springfield, ontario in 1858 (simply because vancouver had not yet been founded) and played for the st. louis browns in the 19th century. he was the first canadian to win a batting title - a claim made by no other person until larry walker achieved the feat again in 1998. he would later serve as speaker of the u.s. house from 1977 to 1987 before dying at the age of 136.
lots of non-cardinals currently playing were born in canada. justin morneau, jason bay, and ryan dempster were born in small towns in british columbia. jeff francis and rj swindle are from vancouver. ryan braun was born in ontario; well, not that ryan braun. this ryan braun pitches for the white sox in the minors, so we can't blame canada for the other ryan braun. russell martin is from ontario, as is paul quantrill. joey votto is from the toronto area. Érik Joseph Bédard was born in a suburb of ottawa, though not on the quebec side. eric serge gagne is quebecois, however, born in montreal. matt stairs is from new brunswick.
last, battling larry walker for the greatest canadian ballplayer of all time is the only canadian in the american hall of fame, fergie jenkins. a pitcher for the cubs, the rangers, the red sox, and the phillies, he won the first cy young awarded to a canadian in 1971 while pitching for the cubs. a control master, he rarely had a high strikeout rate, but led the league several times in lowest walk rate. he finished with a lifetime record of 284-222 and a lifetime ERA of 3.34. he comes in #20 on the lifetime WAR page with a total of 81.3 WAR amassed over his career.
i hope you have enjoyed our tribute to canadians in baseball. once something happens actually involving the cardinals club other than "matt holliday watch: day 67" we will return to our regularly scheduled webcasting.
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just think, given the number of readers at home for the holidays, we may have unparalleled numbers of readers actually currently in their mother's basements. i wish we could find out so that we could call guiness or something.
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I hope to be getting to my mother's house, let alone her basement
Jarry Park and Olympic Stadium
Let us not fail to mention the trials and tribulations of the Montreal Expos who had to play in both Jarry Park and Olympic Stadium (with the famous removable kevlar dome)and finally Puerto Rico before they were rescued from the abyss and took their bad luck and bad baseball to DC where they continue to play in the spirit of the original Montreal expansion team.
The Cardinals have an honored role as the first team to play MLB in Canada in 1969 (losing that game I beleive)
If only they had named them the Alouettes, this never would have happened.
Just win
excellent post, tom
I vote that all bacon jpgs on this post be Canadian bacon. and dare I say, some beaver tails. mmm, fried dough.
or some feathered raptors if you wanna be traditional.
hope everyone makes it back to their parent’s basements safe and sound. and, unlike me, get out of shoveling.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
beaver tails?
Isn’t that redundant like Fish Taco?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
you keep tellin yourself that
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'll never look at bacon the same way...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I once threw away some bad meat
I had to wait a few days until trash pickup and by then the meat was crawling with disgusting maggots. That’s what Moo’s twisting and squirming bacon reminds me off.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
shoulda left in the fridge
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 27, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
grrrrrrr
great post Tom S. !
"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray
by bigchieftootiemontana on Dec 27, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
popping day today.
I can barely keep my eyes open at work…only 9 more hours to go.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
are people creeping and not posting or is everybody hung over etc?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Taking stock of mlb Canuck-birds
Thanks Tom. There are other Canadians who played for the Cardinals in the 1960’s and 70s. I remember Ron Taylor, the electrical engineer from Toronto, who was a pretty good starter and reliever from 1963-1965. Reggie Cleveland was a Cardinal from 1969-1973, and a regular starter from 1971-1973. Ron Piche ended his career with St. Louis in 1966. Here is the complete list of Canadians who have played mlb:
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/birthplace.php?loc=Canada
Many of the current players from BC playing mlb graduated from the British Columbia Premier Baseball league, an under-19 league that has recently produced Jeff Francis, Rich Harden, Ryan Dempster, Justin Morneau, Blake Hawksworth (I believe), Michael Saunders, and others in the majors, or approaching the majors. Happy boxing day!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 26, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Forgot
to add Adam Loewen to the list of BCPBL alumni.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 26, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for adding to our trove of
Canuckardinal knowledge. I had debated putting reggie cleveland in there, but the other names are new to me.
That’s interesting info about the vancouver program. I had been surprised by how many mlb players were vancouver or at least BC based. While the kids there may get exposed to the mariners, kids in toronto get exposed to an actual canadian team and don’t appear in overwhelming numbers. Maybe the baseball program in vancouver is the reason why.
Good to hear from a kkkanuck!
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Dec 26, 2009 5:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry
For a late reply, out boxing day shopping with my sons and their girlfriends in Phoenix (Snowbird!)! The BCPBL is an elite league that was formed years ago to provide an opportunity for more skilled players to play like players in over a longer schedule, with the objective of developing college and professional level players. It has been very successful. Part of the success is attributable to the fact that in BC you can start games in April, whereas in eastern Canada, May is stretching it. The league is composed of 3 teams from Vancouver Island, teams from the Vancouver, lower mainland, and Kelowna. My son played for that team in 2004, although he was an import from Manila, Philippines. If you are interested in the league, here is the link:
http://www.bcpbl.com/en/index.php
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 26, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Are there any Canadian VEB'ers out there?
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
my little brother is canadian.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I think there are some Minnesotan VEB'ers
there are kinda like Canadians. Close enough.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
That's what they said about Alaskans before we knew any.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
hey that's me!
Minnesota is more or less Canada, that’s cool with me.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
OT: Matt Holliday
Sorry if this has already been posted, but his facebook status says “All i am going to say about my Situation is i’m not a New York Kinda Guy ;)”
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
For some reason, I doubt that's his Facebook page.
MAYBE it is run by someone who knows him. Maybe.
Now with extra feisty!
I know. It's probably connected to him somehow.
Otherwise he would have taken legal action by now, I would think. I realize that these things must be taken with a huge grain of salt, but thought I should pass it along anyway.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Has to be
too much info and it doesn’t say fan page, who knows looks pretty good though maybe I can cross my fingers
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Dec 26, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
It is a fan page. There are 25,xxx fans.
Besides, you think Matt Holliday is going to post an StLToday.com article that says the market for him is diminishing somewhat?
As far as the legal stuff, there is a Facebook fan page called “Albert Pujols Cannot be Killed by Conventional Weapons.” You can make a fan page about anything.
Now with extra feisty!
We Need One That Says...
“Albert Pujols is Just RIDICULOUS!”
;=8)
Oh, and nertlerb!
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
hey Moo
what is the whole “nertlerb” thing about? it’s something i’ve never understood.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
that's because you are not nertlerby enough to understand it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
El Hombre himself cried it...
…after hitting the I in the Big Mac sign. I think its Spanish, or something. If its good enough for the Mang, its nertlerb enough fer me…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Dec 26, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this guerilla meme thing is pretty---
crap! interesting. I meant interesting.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 27, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Also, He has that pic of him getting hit in the nuts
Something tells me he wouldn’t put that up
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 26, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
If this twitter of DOOM is still available, then anything can be posted for an athlete.
Not afraid to nitpick
I've been a "fan" of that page since the season
what is usually posted there just reeks of a kid.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I agree.
Who knows, maybe Holliday just doesn’t care. I’d be pissed if someone was posting status updates as if they were me.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
there's no way that's holliday's real page
but if it is, i’m hopeful that he’s right
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
OK....
comments on this are HI-LARIOUS:
Stacey
Heard he was getting an offer from Boston. They aren’t New York guys either! Please choose STL because we are a lot like Boston and we both hate the Yankees!
Yesterday at 5:35pm
* is an Asshat
are people that obtuse
they really think it’s Matt Holliday, himself, who’s behind that page. FFS, there’s a winky-eyed emoticon in his status update. Lego is too manly (man-stewy?) to ever use emoticons, dammit!
well
time to sit in an airport some more
i have to transfer in chicago! chicago isn’t even kind of on the way to austin! f’in cubs fans. better not see any
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
O'Hare is the black hole...
of airline travel. You don’t even want to get close to that place.
MB for LF in 2010!
midway
i pretty much always fly southwest
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I love Midway...
house house house street fence runway
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i like midway too, but i can't imagine what
It’s like to live on the southside. MDW must have the most densely populated low altitude approach of any american airport.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Dec 26, 2009 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you're living on the south side
you’ve pretty much called it a life. I’ve had to do some surveying work down there… not a place I’d want to stay if I didn’t have to. And that wasn’t even out by the airport where I can only assume it’s a lot worse to live.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
flying into midway at night
was quite a sight to see
but trying to run to the other side of the airport just in time to board late so i could sit on the plane for an hour before it took off was not so fun
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 27, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I've flown through O'Hare 5 times I think
and only actually left on a plane once. Three times the flight was so delayed that I said screw it and just drove home, and one other time they completely canceled my flight to Ireland, but only after they had us wait around about 8 hours. The next day when I went back was the only time I’ve ever actually left on a plane. I would rather connect through Baghdad or Somalia than O’Hare.
It's a much better plan
to live around Chicago and use it as a terminal and not a station… granted you have to live around Cub fans so maybe it’s a wash…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
the airport speaker lady
just asked me to tell security if i see chris carpenter walking around unattended…
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 26, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
guess she had the day off when ludwick was there.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I had a dream about bacon last night
I dreamed that I went into McDonalds and ordered a bacon-donut sandwich. Don’t ask me where I got the donuts from, they were just there. It was delicious.
Cool
That was different than mine. I had bread with a donut and bacon inside of it.
What I really want to try is a donut burger.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 26, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
they make those at hot shots every once in a while
i think
thanks woody and rizz
they also have other interesting burger creations
I coined the terms 'bonut' and 'dacon'
so I will gladly (and probably selfishly) take credit :)
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
they have bacon donuts in portland, oregon
its called voodoo donuts, and you can get maple bars with bacon. i can’t believe i didn’t remember this earlier. this would be a great place for a veb party.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
That's it, we're all going to Oregon
ROAD TRIP!!!?!?1111()!11
by vivaelpujols on Dec 26, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have been contemplating a move to Portland with some friends
this just might seal the freakin deal
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 26, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
yep that's where i got the picture
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 27, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I've only ever seen the guy on Rome's TV show
and he hasn’t stuck out as painful. Is he really that bad on a day in day out basis?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
yes, he is.
but thanks for the comment, I misread it at first and it reminded me what a kick ass show HBO’s “Rome” is. Think I’ll netflix it, it’ll give me something to do over break
Since the theme of the day is Canada...
I’ll go ahead and share this gem with everyone.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
In case anyone else is failing to study for their MCAT,
Hulu has the entire Macross Saga.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Today is a nice day (and tomorrow too) to crawl into bed and watch
a marathon of classic baseball kinescopes on MLB Network. Which is EXACTLY what I plan on doing!
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 26, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions
Happy Crate Day everyone...
I really shouldn’t be allowed on wikipedia… I find way too much random crap.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Approval?
Check.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
We have to wait until September again for International Bacon Day
http://internationalbaconday.blogspot.com/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I have had bacon every day since visiting my mom's house
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 27, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
i spent last night drinking in the city until 4am with a couple of friends
and am now preparing to fetch my hangover cure of choice – a large bottle of lucozade and a couple of bacon sandwiches, with HP sauce.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
bacon speedball
now that’s living!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 30, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot to wish everyone at VEB a Merry Christmas and Happy Chanuka
I wish everyone a Happy New Year. Lot’s of bacon and pies for everyone.
I made bourbon balls with extra (double) bourbon. My family is now happy and buzzed.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Isn't that the worst kept secret in the world?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
no kidding
from now on everything i take to famiy gatherings will contain lots of liquor
if it gets unbearable, i’ll stuff my own face with it
merry kwanza!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
buster olney
(If, in fact, Bay absolutely does not want to play for the Mets and he’s looking for a landing place, one option his agent might have is to put him on a platter for the Cardinals by undercutting Holliday’s asking price significantly. For example: What if Bay told St. Louis he was willing to sign for four years/$48 million, or 4/52? This might be a way for Bay to go to a team more attractive than the Mets, and perhaps this would be a good fallback for the Cardinals as well, as they consider exit strategies from the Holliday negotiations.
it’s an interesting thought. that’s a highly tradeable contract in the event that his defense falls off a cliff. the mets have no business signing him anyway
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
sure
and then once we’ve only spent $34MM of our available $21MM, what do we do with the rest?
actually, that’s just their asking prices. but still (and all these numbers are very conservative) 12 for bay, 8 for beltre, 6 for sheets still puts is 5 in the red
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
gammons had this gem
struck from mlbtr later, so who knows. also, it’s gammons.
ESPN’s Peter Gammons said on WEEI with Dale & Holley that free-agent OF Jason Bay (Red Sox) would ‘rather play in Beirut than Queens, N.Y.’
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 27, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I would be more than happy with Bay for 4/48
however, this is just speculation – “IF [emphasis mine]… Bay absolutely does not want to play for the Mets”. I’m pretty sure if the Mets went 4/60 and we went 4/48, he’d end up in Queens.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 5:59 AM EST up reply actions
Hey....
I’ve been drinking……Actually Bay & Beltre probably end up = Holliday money or close too it…..Is sheets really down to 6, last I heard he wanted 12.
* is an Asshat
next time you order the irish breakfast, make sure you know what it entails.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
he does want 12
he won’t get it. just saying, even very conservatively, we don’t have enough money for all three even if bay takes 12/yr. beltre wants over 10 and sheets wants 12
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I agree....
just think it would be great if DeWitt says fuck…I’ll go all out in another way…..not saying it’s gonna happen, but I think I’ll have another Irish Coffee.
* is an Asshat
=(
and i’ll do some more work
enjoy your bailey’s
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
However
Bay for 12/yr, Sheets/Smoltz for about $6m/1yr and a Calero/Springer addition to the pen is a very tasty solution to all our troubles.
I still feel there’s a chance Bay’s defence isn’t as bad as advertised; any sort of bounceback and he’s a 3-4 win player, easily.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
So.....VEB has been dead for the last
3 days….has anybody else perused Cards Talk lately? All I have to say is that it’s an * convention……….still.
* is an Asshat
still needs one
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
100 comments in two days?
c’mon, veb
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I got an XBOX 360!!!
And two Stephen King books from the Dark Tower series:#6 Song of Susannah & #7 The Dark Tower. I know the ending of this series is going to piss me off but I’m reading it anyway.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
1. fallout 3
2. see you just in time for baseball season
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I actually went out and bought Halo 2 & 3 on the 26th.
Sooooo much fun. Fallout 3 seems to have gotten a lot of good reviews so I’ll probably pick that up as well as Dragon Age Origins.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
i'm a ps3 guy
so i can’t comment on the halos
but fallout 3 i pretty much the best game of this console generation
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
fallout 3 is pretty epic
I also am loving Dragon Age Origins. I am replaying it pretty much right after I beat i
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 27, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
my flat-mate bought himself a 360 for xmas
so i’m looking forward to playing me some non-productive video games in the new year.
Anybody got any recommendations for a good baseball game?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
guessing they got him drunk?
trying to teach him wrigley culture?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
OK......wtf
is going on…..I haven’t seen GDM in a while, he hasn’t posted in this two day old thread….and now bacon mug is deleted from photo bucket. What’s going on with that negative, christmas hating, bacon loving SOB?
* is an Asshat
gdm never really existed
he is but a figment of our collective imagination
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Nobody is on here today
Here’s a thought: How cheap does Pineiro have to be for him to be worth resigning? Rumors were that he wanted 3/30, but that price may have dropped. He could be a solid pickup if we don’t sign Holliday.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
I think the Cardinals are gunshy about signing another pitcher to a multi-year contract.
I certainly don’t see them giving Pineiro more than a year.
Now with extra feisty!
I don’t see it happening either, but I do think it would be a shame if somehow the Mets land him for 8/24 and we are unable to pick up Holliday. You’d think Pineiro would be willing to take a deal with a higher annual value for less years if his price drops that far. I’m just speculating since nothing else is going on.
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
3/24*
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
no thanks
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i'm not fooled
franklin suck, pinata es pinata and albert is ridiculous. these are rules of the universe
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'd take him on one year. But that's it.
I’m wary that he can even come close to replicating his success last year.
Now with extra feisty!
oh
i’d definitely take him on a one year deal
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
1 Year fer 6 Mil....
…might be ok; if he’s good again he’d help solidify the rotation, and help his own cause by post back-to-back solid years, then cash in next year. But I wouldn’t go mooch higher than 6 mil, and I’d prefer less.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
The whole point of the one year deal is a higher AAV.
He definitely wouldn’t sign one year for less than $10M.
Now with extra feisty!
i'd even pay 8
but he won’t go for 1 year. i have a feeling he knows he is the pinata and wants to cash in after a career year. he’s not getting any younger after all
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Are any of us getting any younger?
Besides that goofy Benjamin Button guy?
by creativereason on Dec 27, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
You cown't expect the man to take a hay-cut after last year, can you?
/you’re a cow, maybe you can.
* is an Asshat
If Penny
cost 7.5-9 million, there is no way Pineiro goes for 6. He’d take at least 10, more like 12 for a one year deal I imagine.
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I might even take him for 2
for $10M a year or less. We signed a lesser pitcher for that much a year for 4 years (terrible). 3 years is out of the question.
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take him 1 year, and make sure Oquendo continues to humiliate him on a daily basis.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 27, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Make sure that he knows he's not in Puerto Rico's top three...good plan
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think the 8/24 deal is the best way to go
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
No thanks to...?
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
pineiro for three years
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
maybe something like 2/16
I just think I’d rather have Sheets or maybe even Smoltz than Pineiro, and both of them are realistically going to be cheaper than Joel.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
so
in mlb 09 the show world, it’s 2012 and the phillies still have all their current players pretty much but they have sig carl crawford and adrian beltre
cards also traded albert for youkillis (spelling) and signed manny ramirez and adam dunn to play the outfield
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
rick ankiel
i’ve only played the cards a few times, but it looks like a manny/dunn platoon. luddy is still the rf and kaheel the ss. a lot of things don’t make much sense. it’s 2012 and chipper is hitting .383
juan uribe is also an every day ss
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
They dont age
but occasionally they’ll fall right off a cliff in a videogame. And it’s usually right after I’ve given them a big contract to stick around.
Is Khalil
going to play baseball next year or is he out of the game? Anybody know?
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think he will....
at least not in the bigs….I could see him hitting .400 + in AAA though.
* is an Asshat
i agree. a slugging ss is too valuable
To leave on the sidelines. Somebody will take a chance on him.should he pull a greinke, he’d be very valuable. I’m not optimistic, but I could see it happening.
Say, seattle gives him an incentive based contract. Wilson is good but fragile. Or san fran.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Dec 27, 2009 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm sure
someone will extend him a mil deal
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
minor league deal i'd have thought
I actually wouldn’t be at all aversed to that. We do lack middle infield depth beyond Tyler Greene. I don’t think Descalso is ready this year, and I really don’t ever want to see Donovan Solano in St Louis.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
Have you downloaded roster updates?
Assuming you’re on PS3. I’ve played a bunch of franchises on that game (probably 20+ different franchises) and only once have the Cardinals lost Pujols, and that was when I was controlling the Pirates and paid max contract price for him (10yrs 25/yr).
by creativereason on Dec 27, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
i'm playing
rtts
i have the roster updates, but i didn’t get them before i started this guy
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Wouldn't someone be glad to be shot by that?
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
With all the grease clogging the thing
I’m not sure the bullet would make it out.
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
That what I've been telling my heart surgeon
but he doesn’t agree
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I posted this before
but it deserves an encore
Grandpa: Well let me tell you something now, Johnny. Last Thursday, I turned 95 years old. And I never exercised a day in my life. Every morning, I wake up, and I smoke a cigarette. And then I eat five strips of bacon. And for lunch, I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack?
John: Bacon.
Grandpa: Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. Now according to all of them flat-belly experts, I should’ve took a dirt nap like thirty years ago. But each year comes and goes, and I’m still here. Ha! And they keep dyin’. You know? Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me. Just goes to show you, huh?
John: What?
Grandpa: Huh?
John: Goes to show you what?
Grandpa: Well it just goes… what the hell are you talkin’ about?
John: Well you said you drink beer, you eat bacon and you smoke cigarettes, and you outlive most of the experts.
Grandpa: Yeah?
John: I thought maybe there was a moral.
Grandpa: No, there ain’t no moral. I just like that story. That’s all. Like that story.
* is an Asshat
You'd Think They'd Have a Cardinals Snuggy By Now...
:=8/
What about a VEB snuggy?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
the horror.
no words can describe this monstrosity.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 27, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Go Colts!
Even though I have a REALLY bad feeling about the NYJ.
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
got drunk with a monk today
That was enjoyable
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 27, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
that was fun times.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions
=(
baseball
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
So how about those Rams, huh?
Could they win in the CFL? (trying to tie this into the original topic, because I’m not going to a Rams specific blog and would never, ever read the stltoday.com insanity that is Jeff Gordon’s game updates.)
I dont wanna hear about the Rams.
My favorite NFL team is so bad we sign and start players the rams cut.
You guys needed to up the penalty ypg...
I’m assuming you’re a Bills fan…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
RiverRat
We have another asshat in the hizzouse.
http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=18999
Imagine that! All that time I spent writing and researching for you guys is so I can make money!
His whole argument kind of fell apart for me when he bad mouthed Cool Ranch Doritos
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 27, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly...
if he went after the sweet and spicy or whatever the purple bag Doritos are I could understand… but cool ranch???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Even those dominate
You can get 2 unfortunately delicious flavors in the same bag.
Not afraid to nitpick
funny how he quickly turns all victim
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I loved your comment over there, VEP
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
wow...that guy is more than just your everyday ass hat
he is a giant ass hat, an ass urban sombrero, if you will. Yeah, the guys over at fangraphs are just rolling in all that wRC+ money, you know from the wRC+ clothing line and wRC+ brand chemical eye wash.
The way he defended himself in the comments too.....
It’s amazing how you guys focused on my belief that advanced metrics are an industry looking for profit, and ignored the fact that I called you guys "part of the fabric" of the game.
Dude…that’s the title, you’re an Asshat.
* is an Asshat
Die.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
"So Mike, do you beat your wife?"
Classic.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Crap, I messed it up
“So, Mike, are you still beating your wife?”
by vivaelpujols on Dec 27, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
His comments just made it worst
I never said you did bad work, or it was invalid, I just question it like any other baseball theory (like playing for a tie at home etc.). I don’t care if someone uses science or numbers because, as we saw with the climate change scandal, math, science, and education can be used to manipulate an industry in the name of power and profit.
This idiot is trying to argue against math, science, and education.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 27, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
So what he's saying
Is that since math, science and education can be used for power/profit (okay I’m with him here)—-the internet statistical community is creating new statistics (still with him) as a means to $$$ because they don’t get any money (what?). That sound about right?
Not afraid to nitpick
You forgot,
the statistics community is a group-thinking edifice of social control ala 1984, and Ken Rosenthal is a good journalist.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
what an absolutely dreadful article
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
olney's got a new blog up.
looks like it has holliday ‘news’ – anybody know what the insider text re: matt is?
link?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
oh, this isn't new
i posted the relevant bits up a ways
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
here's the full stl part
it doesn’t really say anything
They have been waiting and waiting and waiting for an answer from Holliday, while suspecting that no other team is matching their offer, which rival executives believe is something in the range of five years and $16 million a year. The question for St. Louis is this: How long will the Cardinals wait? Or, like the Mets, are they just about ready to pull the plug?
You do wonder if St. Louis could do a right turn and go after Bay, or if the Cardinals’ Plan B involves pitching rather than a big-name slugger. (If, in fact, Bay absolutely does not want to play for the Mets and he’s looking for a landing place, one option his agent might have is to put him on a platter for the Cardinals by undercutting Holliday’s asking price significantly. For example: What if Bay told St. Louis he was willing to sign for four years/$48 million, or 4/52? This might be a way for Bay to go to a team more attractive than the Mets, and perhaps this would be a good fallback for the Cardinals as well, as they consider exit strategies from the Holliday negotiations.)
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
ah, crap.
apologies john. i’d read that too. was just espn.mlb’s page that fooled me.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 27, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'd probably take Bay for 4/48
I still don’t understand how he turned down 4/65 or whatever it was. He’s just not that good.
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by thegodfather on Dec 27, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
When you're one of the top 5 Canadian players in the game
you get to set your own price…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
did this... wait, did this post just come full circle?
more booze…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 27, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think it just may have...
and with that I’m going to tear my machine down to prepare for my moving activities tomorrow… I really gotta stop living this nomad lifestyle.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
we should offer him 4 years, 65 million canadian dollars
that’s, what, about minimum wage level in the US?
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 28, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions
If Bob Horner Were Still Available...
….we cud pay him in stale beer and pretzels…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Okay, who the hell made the sprouts green?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I seriously cannot believe you are all still meandering through that thread.
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and set it as their homepage
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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