The Greatest Cardinals of Each Time: Perfectos and Pre-Rickey, 1899-1919
by DanUpBaby on Dec 22, 2009 7:17 AM EST
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PrintPart one: The American Association Browns, 1882-1891.
Part two: Von der Ahe in the National League, 1892-1898.
By 1898 the Browns, kings of the American Association, were NL bottom-feeders, and when a bereft Von der Ahe sold out to Frank and Stanley Robison there wasn't enough capital left in the name to avoid a change to the delightfully named fifth-place St. Louis Perfectos, the Frankenstein-ish result of an offseason heart transplant.
What's forgotten in the fin de siècle lament of the Cleveland Spiders, one of baseball's saddest stories, is that the reason they were so bad is that the team who they had their Face/Off moment with was as historically terrible as any non-Spiders team can be. The 1898 Browns went gave time to ten position players who hit worse, on the year, than their number one starter, the largely forgettable Jack Quinn. They had a few Real Players—Lave Cross, veteran third baseman and the only player of historical import of the lot; Jake Stenzel, a swift centerfielder who'd hit .374 in 1895 but would retire prior to the 1900 season; Jack Clements, a slugging catcher who'd began his career as a nineteen year-old in the Union Association. But in general the real players were old, and the young players were never seen again.
And at 39-111 they were somehow a major improvement on the 1897 team, which went 29-102. Von der Ahe was out of money, and it showed. For the poor Spiders it was like trading brains with a model skeleton. But even transferring Cy Young, Jesse Burkett, Bobby Wallace, Nig Cuppy, Cupid Childs, and Jack Powell to the newly christened Perfectos wasn't enough to turn those awful turn-of-the-century teams into pennant contenders. By 1900, the fans and ownership perhaps having gotten the message, Perfectos was traded out for something less ostentatious—we have finally reached the St. Louis Cardinals.
When the upstart American League started its own St. Louis franchise, the new Browns, the ex-Perfectos were hit with some poetic justice—future Hall of Famers Wallace and Burkett, among others, were lured away, and the team fell into the second division for a nearly uninterrupted twenty years of futility, one that wouldn't end until the team changed hands again and a young manager named Branch Rickey exercised his influence over the front office.
Here lie these transitional Cardinals' best hitters and pitchers:
| Rk | Player | OPS+ | PA | From | To | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SB | BA | OBP | SLG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Rogers Hornsby | 150 | 2243 | 1915 | 1919 | 555 | 2003 | 273 | 620 | 77 | 52 | 27 | 266 | 175 | 59 | .310 | .370 | .440 |
| 2 | Ed Konetchy | 130 | 4152 | 1907 | 1913 | 982 | 3585 | 501 | 1013 | 158 | 94 | 36 | 476 | 403 | 151 | .283 | .362 | .409 |
| 3 | Homer Smoot | 121 | 2653 | 1902 | 1906 | 620 | 2415 | 297 | 706 | 94 | 44 | 14 | 252 | 136 | 84 | .292 | .338 | .385 |
| 4 | Steve Evans | 113 | 2673 | 1909 | 1913 | 680 | 2287 | 291 | 612 | 100 | 42 | 16 | 303 | 246 | 53 | .268 | .361 | .369 |
| 5 | Patsy Donovan | 112 | 2131 | 1900 | 1903 | 487 | 1946 | 303 | 612 | 61 | 13 | 1 | 208 | 118 | 132 | .314 | .360 | .361 |
| 6 | Miller Huggins | 110 | 3427 | 1910 | 1916 | 803 | 2740 | 507 | 740 | 83 | 18 | 5 | 164 | 572 | 174 | .270 | .402 | .319 |
| 7 | Rube Ellis | 101 | 2267 | 1909 | 1912 | 555 | 1985 | 279 | 517 | 66 | 30 | 13 | 199 | 216 | 56 | .260 | .336 | .344 |
| 8 | Mike Mowrey | 100 | 2172 | 1909 | 1913 | 538 | 1847 | 251 | 492 | 85 | 25 | 4 | 218 | 229 | 77 | .266 | .353 | .346 |
| 9 | Dots Miller | 97 | 2796 | 1914 | 1919 | 697 | 2521 | 286 | 647 | 91 | 40 | 10 | 275 | 163 | 81 | .257 | .308 | .336 |
| 10 | Rebel Oakes | 88 | 2298 | 1910 | 1913 | 568 | 2053 | 236 | 560 | 60 | 22 | 5 | 209 | 153 | 91 | .273 | .329 | .331 |
| Rk | Player | ERA+ | IP | From | To | Age | GS | CG | SHO | GF | W | L | H | R | ER | BB | SO | ERA | HR | WP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Slim Sallee | 111 | 1905.1 | 1908 | 1916 | 23-31 | 215 | 123 | 17 | 83 | 106 | 107 | 1831 | 778 | 565 | 467 | 652 | 2.67 | 44 | 10 |
| 2 | Bill Doak | 105 | 1512.0 | 1913 | 1919 | 22-28 | 196 | 96 | 20 | 27 | 87 | 89 | 1342 | 586 | 442 | 466 | 629 | 2.63 | 29 | 23 |
| 3 | Lee Meadows | 90 | 1056.0 | 1915 | 1919 | 20-24 | 134 | 58 | 7 | 39 | 52 | 67 | 1022 | 463 | 352 | 383 | 401 | 3.00 | 17 | 28 |
| 4 | Bob Harmon | 84 | 1284.1 | 1909 | 1913 | 21-25 | 152 | 84 | 6 | 39 | 68 | 81 | 1247 | 659 | 539 | 594 | 418 | 3.78 | 27 | 31 |
(I don't normally run the hitters that far past a 100 OPS+, but I can't think of better baseball names than "Dots Miller" and "Rebel Oakes." It might not be the best time for Cardinals baseball, but it is certainly the only era in which most of its tenured veterans sound like refugees from a Thomas Pynchon novel.)
It is reassuring, isn't it, to see Rogers Hornsby appear at the top of a list, for once. 1920 was the first year of his decade-long dominance of the National League, though; this is apprentice Hornsby, attempting to play shortstop and only really good, instead of transcendent. For career value, your Greatest Cardinal of This Time is "Big Ed" Konetchy (weight: 195 pounds), who, according to Baseball-Reference's wiki, "has the most triples of any major leaguer not in the Hall of Fame."
I suppose somebody has to. But Konetchy was an excellent hitter, a fine baserunner, and a brilliant defender in an era that prized defense at first base more than any other. In 1914 he was traded to Pittsburgh for, among other players, Chief Wilson, who will forever hold the single season record for triples (36, against 19 doubles and 11 home runs), and in 1915 he was one of the high profile stars who moved to the upstart Federal League, the last of the third leagues to reach Major status.
Honorable mention goes to Slim Sallee, who lost one game for the Reds in the 1919 World Series; Miller Huggins, who in 1918 left his post in St. Louis to manage the Yankees, which was a fine career move; and Jesse Burkett, who played just three years for the Cardinals before bolting to the Browns but hit .376/.440/.509 as the top NL hitter in 1901, when Nap Lajoie was stealing the headlines as a .426 hitter in the American League.
It's lost to history, which is fine with me, but by the time the Cardinals won their first modern World Series in 1926 it was considered an absolute shock; reading contemporary St. Louis and New York papers for my article in last year's Maple Street Annual I quickly discovered that the Cardinals, young, inexperienced, unserious, reaching the World Series was about as novel for them as the 2008 Rays were for us. These teams, bumbling, Pirate-like in their consistent mediocrity, are the reason.
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I was hoping "hey man nice post" would catch on as the first comment.
Oh well. hey man nice post.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 22, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I can try and help if you'd like. I'm usually up.
Anyway these are certainly educational dan. But even better than learning is the unintentional comedy provided by names like Slim Sally.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 22, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
i believe a slim sally
is a device you can purchase at fine places like AdamAndEve.com…or at least that is what i am told…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
feels good man
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure this was covered yesterday in some capacity
But it warrants at least one more “wtf”. I believe Bernie has lost his f’in mind:
Something powerful happened that day. It’s almost as if Musial knew something that the rest of us didn’t at the time: that Pujols, 21, was destined to follow the same path, and would become the second-greatest hitter to Musial in franchise history. The Man wanted to be there to transfer his aura to the young Pujols. This was a divination, with The Man as an oracle. Musial traveled 850 miles across the plains to give his blessing to the young prodigy.
Forget the hard work, kids. This is the real way you get good at stuff.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 22, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions
It's called sports writing
and it’s been at least this hackneyed for decades now.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, what a fool
pujols is easily headed to being the best cardinal hitter ever
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
what's in that cigar, bernie?
It ain’t tobacky.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Dec 22, 2009 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do they make LSD cigars?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
We Need Perfecto Day in St. Louis!
Just one day when they dust off the old Perfecto uni’s; I think that would be very kewl.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
My understanding,
and perhaps the more knowledgeable fans can correct me, is that the name “Cardinals” was brought about by a wife of one of the team execs commenting that the red color in the Perfectos unis was a beautiful shade of cardinal.
Further, I believe the fans started calling the team “Cardinals” for a time before management officially changed the nickname from Perfectos. A grass roots movement of sorts.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
so one day these VEB memes could be real?
HFS ®
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I hear they are serving
apple pie and Gooey Butter Cake™ at the center field concession stand next year.
* is an Asshat
fuck yeah
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yet another thing
in a long list of great things about America.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
this needs more love
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Don't get him angry, or he'll dance all over ya!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
st. louis cardinals: a century of success?
that’s so where you got that story from….
that video is probably the main reason I’m such a fan. watched that over and over as a kid
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
OT: So, Vazquez to NYY; Melky Cabrera to ATL
by timmycardinals on Dec 22, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions
wow
didn’t see that coming
any chance the yankees win <115 games next year?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
oh and
matt holliday, of course
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Damon
The Braves traded the guy who finished 4th in the Cy Young balloting, he of the 2.77 FIP, which bested both Wainwright’s (3.11) AND Carpenter’s (2.78)…
…for Melky Cabrera.
Just goes to show you what good pitching stats in the NL are worth.
Imagine the gnashing of teeth that would go on here if the Cardinals pulled a similar trade and sent Carpenter to the Red Sox for Jacoby Ellsbury.
by olddomination on Dec 22, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
there are prospects in the deal
LHP Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino to ATL
Boone Logan to NYY
Don’t know anything about either, so didn’t include them in initial post.
Seems like a steal to me.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 22, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know anything about the prospects involved?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
From Ken A. Rosenthal
The Braves would receive center fielder Melky Cabrera, Class AAA left- hander Michael Dunn and a Class A pitcher for Vazquez and left-handed reliever Boone Logan, one of the sources said.
* is an Asshat
Right.
Is Michael Dunn good?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i do know
he is no Javy Vasquez…he appears to be a 25 y/o loogy
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Vizcaino is good
some had him the Yanks #2 overall. He’s 19 and was pretty unhittable in low-A ball last year. He’s a good B-level prospect I think.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Acc. to Fangraphs
…the 19yo pitcher is dirty. I guess he’s got a big fastball or something. He’s a ways off though.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 22, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
filthy slider i think
and a decent mid-90s heater (probably in reality 91/92, as he’s in low-A ball…)
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
i think
the braves just wanted some payroll relief maybe?
braves got jobbed, though
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
has to be.
run for a corner OF bat r 2B maybe? Dye, Bay, Hudson, Lopez?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
matt holliday, of course
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Not by the Braves.
By the Yankees.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i see
either way, really
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
That sells Ellsbury short, IMO.
Melky Cabrera is not good. Sure, he’s only entering his Age 25 season, so power may develop or something, but his OPS+ was 99 last year! And that’s a career high! He slugged less as a lefty in New Yankee Stadium than as a righty! Exclamation point!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was also taking Carpenter in the deal into account
by olddomination on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
but javy and carp are comparable pitchers
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I would suggest
that you look out for luggage over the weekend…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Might I help you, sir?
Forget the tip and see what happens. Are you feelin’ lucky? Make my day punk!
Note: I’ve forgotten who originally shopped this one, so sorry for borrowing it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 22, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
'Twas I.
Public domain, my friend. No worries.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
that's what Yadi said to Franklin
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when he yells "Say hello to my little friends!"
it’s too late, you’re already gone
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Imagine the gnashing of teeth that would go on here if the Cardinals pulled a similar trade and sent Carpenter to the Red Sox for Jacoby Ellsbury.
I would be absolutely fine with that trade, personally. We could get quite a lot for Chris Capenter’s contract in the current market.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ehhhhhh, probably not.
I’d send them Carpenter for Ellsbury and a good pitching prospect, but not straight up. Ellsbury is Carl Crawford without the power, and Crawford doesn’t have that much power. He’s Skip Schumaker with worse OBP, more steals, and better defense. That’s not someone I’m trading my ace pitcher for. At most he’s a 3 WAR player if he’s playing corner outfield.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Carpenter is an injury-prone pitcher in his mid-30s
he makes $30.5m for the next two seasons. Want to bet he’ll make more than 25 starts both seasons? If Chris Carpenter was a free agent right now, I would not want to pay him $30m on a two year contract. Ergo, Carpenter’s contract is over-paying him, at least in my view.
A 3 WAR player who isn’t even in arbitration yet is extremely valuable (and I kinda agree that Ellsbury’s probably not quite that, but he could probably be in a 3 WAR platoon with Craig for the next 3 years for next to nothing). Far more valuable than a 4 WAR pitcher who is, at best, on about a market-value contract.
If we could dump Carp’s contract, we could sign Holliday and still have enough money to get Smoltz, Sheets and significant upgrades in the bullpen, whilst saving us $15m next year that we could use to target someone else. We’d also have a very good 4th OF (Ellsbury), either that or a guy that we could trade away somewhere else for something useful. I wonder if Ellsbury would be enough to snag a top, cost-controlled closer from someone? Either that, or look to trade him (+ perhaps other parts) for a good 3B somewhere. Maybe Ellsbury + a bunch of prospects might entice the Nats to give up Zimmerman? Probably not, but in any case, Ellsbury’s a nice trade chip.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't say I was against Carpenter/Ellsbury
But there would be much gnashing of teeth.
The Red Sox wouldn’t do it because, frankly, Ellsbury is too much to give up for an injury-prone guy who would be their 3rd or 4th starter. NL All Star Pitcher or not, the Red Sox or Yankees aren’t giving up talent if it isn’t extranneous.
Also, the Cardinals wouldn’t do it becuase they’d go into the season with no closer and either Lohse or Penny as their #2 starter.
by olddomination on Dec 22, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
they'd have ~$35m to spend if they did that
along with Holliday, that buys plenty of pitching. Smoltz and Sheets can both be added, or we could go with a known quantity (Pineiro). Could get a closer too if Mo so desired.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Me Gnashing Teeth...Never get rid of Carp
I would not want to face him pitching against us.
that is a very valid point
sign Carp for the rest of his career and make sure he coaches in STL after that. for life
one of the idiots on ESPN radio talked about the trade today
said that the yanks did well to get a #4 starter type…mentioned how its nice to have a guy like vazquez who won’t win 15 games in a season but can get you into the 6th inning
6ly? do the people who work for espn radio even watch sports?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
eliminate?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
now that is someone's avatar
just wait.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
someone was asking for avatar ideas last year
and it was one of a handful i posted for consideration. someone used it for a while, but i don’t remember who.
Is Vazquez still on the contract that the Yanks signed him to?
If so, he has come full circle under the contract.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
In related news
WTF are the Braves doing?
There had to be a better market for Javy Vazquez than that. They aren’t getting one single above average major leaguer or any prospect better than C level in this deal.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
no kidding
I actually did say “what the fuck, Braves” while driving
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
The only thing that I can think of
is that they like Melky’s defense, which admittedly isn’t all that bad, and that they are freeing up payroll to go after Bay or Holliday.
They still have a shitload of pitching on their staff, so it’s not like they’re hard up for starters, and there are still some good FAT pitchers out there too.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
nah, we already got penny
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
rotoworld now says yanks go after derosa?
if not for the wrist (or if derosa is really healed by ST), this makes a lot of sense.
derosa’s capacity to be an average replacement at third or 2b gives him a nice edge. i think the a-rod scare last spring hit hard there. their depth at third was non-existent, not even replacement level.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
They've been in on DeRosa the whole time
I’m kinda surprised that he hasn’t signed there yet to be honest. He’d be a good option for them in LF and a solid backup at 3B and, to a lesser extent (because his defense is horrible there), 2B.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I bet he signs this week, before holliday and before bay.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
that would be good.
I’d also like the BoSox to do “something” to address the fact that Jeremy Hermida is their starting left fielder (not including signing Holliday!). If both clubs have a legit option in LF I’ll feel a lot better about our chances of keeping Holliday for a fair deal (and a lot worse when he signs with the Mets and we get the 50-somethingth pick in the f’ing draft as compensation!).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
not worried about boston
as of now, they have two CFers
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Hermida isn't their starting LF
Jacoby Ellsbury is. They signed Mike Cameron to play CF remember? Ellsbury will move to left, where he is an elite defender, and they’ll have one of the better defensive outfields in baseball next year. I think Hermida is going to end up getting AB’s at DH, 1B, and both corner OF positions but he’s ultimately a 4th outfielder at this point.
I think Boston is done with the FA market at this point and is focused on trying to pry Adrian Gonzalez away from the Padres.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I read initially that Cameron was signed to play LF with Ellsbury remaining in CF
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 23, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
That would be
a horrible idea. Cameron is a plus defender in CF — still probably worth 5 to 10 runs out there even at his age. Ellsbury costs you about 5 -10 runs over the same amount of games in CF, but is a 10 – 15 run player in LF for his career, albeit with a small sample size there.
I don’t think that the Boston FO or Francona is blind enough not to realize this.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Yeah I know. I was just pointing out what I read.
And I think if he was willing to move to LF we should/would have signed him for more than that.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 23, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
haha
yeah, in all honesty, when I made that post, I’d totally forgotten they signed my favourite off-season man-crush, Mike Cameron. Maybe I’d blocked out that they got a 3-4 win player for $7m/yr.
Disregard.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Vizcaino is a 19 year old
who had a 2.49 FIP and 11.06 K/9 in low-A ball last year. He’s a good prospect, certainly better than any pitching ’spect in our org not named Miller (or maybe Garcia).
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
True
But he is also a few seasons shy of ML-readiness. That’s a long developmental period between now and then. Vazquez, on the other hand, is already a good pitcher on a reasonable contract who just had a great season. You’d think you could do better than a really raw arm and Melky Cabrera.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 22, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
You have to add salary relief into the equation also
What if you are now able to add LaRoche to play 1B. Plus, They already have 5 good starters besides Vazquez.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
6 really
seriously. Kris Medlen is hella good. He’d be our no.1 prospect in my opinion.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Tommy Hanson stole the spotlight from the guy.
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
What A Rip... :=8/
WHY do the Yankees always make out like bandits on their trades? Melky Cabrera stinks! He’s a 4th outfielder/defensive replacement at best!
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
he hit for the cycle!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
and Bud Smith threw a no-no
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
maybe they bring Mariano
http://twitter.com/KenTremendous/status/5331177609
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
to everyone up above who are wondering about why the braves did this
Aroldys Vizcaino is the Yanks’ no.2 prospect. He’s probably (arguably?) the centrepiece of the deal. Cabrera is also cheap, so they’ve got about $9-10m in payroll relief, which could get them a decent bat. Not a terrible move, given they need a bat or two, had too much pitching, and got a good prospect into the deal.
Great move for the Yanks, though.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
20 years from now, all the players will be named Aroldis? or some variation
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Why on Earth...
….would the Yankees need payroll relief???
:=8/
And swapping Cabrera for Garrett Anderson seems like only a small step above a zero-sum gain for the Braves – is their farm system that bereft of outfield talent that they cudn’t replace Anderson with a younger bat from within? I thought Lowe was going to the Sawks/Angels, that would have been their salary dump.
I HATE the Yankees, and this moove pisses me off! Thanks Atlanta…
>=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
i think he meant the Braves
because Melky is cheaper than Javy
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
I think there's nothing wrong with this deal for Atlanta
seriously.
Vazquez is good, but he’s earning $11.5m and is only under team control for one year. That’s a valuable asset, but hardly a mind-blowing one. You could perhaps get Sheets AND Smoltz for that money, although he will (presumably) be a type A at the end of it.
Braves get significant salary relief (they’ll save about 8-9m by dumping vazquez and getting Melky in the OF). You’re right he’s not a big gain over Garrett Anderson, but he saves them $8m or so and who’s to say they can’t parlay that gain into signing another solid bat? They could use a 1B, they need OF.
Braves have too many starters. They needed to trade one and if they traded Lowe it’s basically a salary dump AND they probably have to eat $5m or so of his deal.
And Vizcaino is a very good young prospect. He is a high ceiling guy. Really, I dunno how far behind he is a guy like Shelby Miller – they’re probably age and stuff comparable. Obviously Miller is probably the better prospect, but Vizcaino’s been very good in low-A ball as a 19 year old. He has potential top-of-the-rotation ceiling.
I think it’s a fair haul for one year of Vazquez. They could’ve got a pitcher comparable to Vizcaino and a reliever comparable to Dunn in next year’s draft for Vazquez’s type-A compensation, perhaps, but they get that one year early, $8m, plus Melky Cabrera for one year of Vazquez. I think it works for both teams.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Melky is like Skip...
except he can’t play second poorly. Vizcaino is equivalent to… Stock? And Dunn is nothing.
If we traded Stock and Skip for Vazquez (and two draft picks), I think there’d be happiness in VEB-land…
MB for LF in 2010!
I'm surprised everyone is bashing Melky so hard.
He’s a league average player, which is a pretty valuable thing to have. If he were on the Cards, he’d be our best option for left field next year, barring a Holliday signing.
I get the impression everyone’s down on him because his career has been as a middling player on a Yankees team of All-Stars. So people think of him as Roger Cedeno, when really he’s, like you said, Skip Schumaker.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
He's not really cheap anymore...
he’s looking at $3/5/7 mill over the next three years, and he’s sort of a 280/330/400 guy with average defense. What contender really wants this at a corner outfield position? Craig could do it. Mark Teahen and Ryan Church, two guys that were non-tendered can do it.
MB for LF in 2010!
Teahen doesn't have the defense
that Cabrera has, I don’t think. Cabrera is average to slightly above- in a corner. I don’t know if I could say the same for Teahen.
Church is a big risk. Will he even play sixty games next season?
The Braves will have to pay Cabrera, but they’ve got a known quantity. And they free up cash to address other needs.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yawn.
Melky might be one win better than Allen Craig next year. He’s not that good of a player.
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Fair.
But Craig isn’t who the Braves are replacing in left. And even so, one win better than Craig is still how many WAR?
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're overestimating
how difficult it is to find that kind of production in the outfield.
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fires, on the other hand.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
No, I get what you're saying.
My point was never that Cabrera is a player you can’t find anywhere else.
My point was Cabrera doesn’t “suck”, isn’t “worthless”, etc.
That kind of commentary is just mind-killing.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
you kidding me?
if AC gets a full season of ABs, he’s worth more than melky f. cabrera and his career high 1.6 WAR
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
cabrera's never had a full season of ABs, to be fair
I don’t like or rate cabrera especially highly FWIW, and I prefer craig at the respective stages of their careers, but realistically a full season of melky is likely better than a full season of the other milk boy (Craig and his carton). FWIW, CHONE has Melky at ~3 WAR next year in just under a full season of AB, and Craig at about 1.5 WAR with about 100 less ABs.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
i didn’t look at his PA totals, just the WAR
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I think Vizcaino is better than Stock
might be nearer to Miller IMO, although there’s probably no reasonable comp in our organisation (talented pitcher with high upside who has had great success in the low minors). I would say he’d probably be the #2 talent in our system so, maybe, Garcia or Lynn instead of Stock? Are we still liking that for one year of Vazquez? It’s not bad, maybe, but the cost (+ need to find a 2B) would mean no Holliday.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lynn and Skip...
for Vazquez, two draft picks, and no Holliday?
I’d do that. Vazquez isn’t actually that expensive. It’s $11.5 million for a five-win pitcher versus $18 million per year as far as the eye can see for a (maybe) five-win OFer.
MB for LF in 2010!
Then what do you do for left field?
If you make that trade, you’re out a 2B and a left fielder and you’ve only got half the money to spend on two positions that you were previously going to spend on one.
And I don’t think Lynn is a fair comp. Like Felonius said, there’s really no reasonable comp in our system. But we’d certainly be giving up someone with more promise than Lynn.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
He's not a "fair" comp talent wise
but he’s the second best prospect in the system right now, and he’s closer to the majors, so it’s probably a fair comparison in terms of overall market value.
You plug Lugo in a second base or go after someone like Belliard/O-Dog who would be pretty cheap options (or if you’re really crazy you stick Tyler Greene there and have an middle infield that is complete death to all ground balls). I think you have to go after Holliday in this situation, while backloading more of the deal, because that would be a “win next year” move, and our offense certainly doesn’t compete with the Phillies as it stands right now.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
yeah I think I agree with that
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think a Boog/Greene
middle infield would be really fun to watch defensively, and really awful to watch offensively.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Greene's AAA line last year gives me some hope
I wonder if he won’t ultimately end up putting up similar numbers to Lugo circa about 2007.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope Santa brings T Greene pitch recognition for X-mas
cuz I would be happy in the pants for a MIF that is complete death to ground balls.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I'd probably be tempted to do that too
because I don’t rate Lynn. But then I’d do this trade from the Yankees point of view, as well, because I think it’s a fair trade from both sides.
Also, Atlanta probably don’t bite for that because Lynn isn’t a high ceiling guy. Like I said before, there probably isn’t a comp in our system. Shelby Miller might be the closest, although he’s maybe worth a bit more than Vizcaino and can’t be traded.
Would you do Shelby (no Skip) for Vazquez, straight up, right now?
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
No
but then I wouldn’t put Phil Hughes in my bullpen either. Or pay CC Sabathia $23M a year for 7 years.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I sure wish
there was still some way to pry Phil Hughes away from the Yankees. There’s got to be something left around this place we could trade for him…
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
not in Wrigley
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Take one urine trough, a number of male Cub fans.
Combine in mixer while adding copious amounts of Old Style.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
woooowwwww
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I don't think that is Wrigley field
I didn’t even see anyone with a Cubs hat on
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Oh. My. God.
Literally the worst thing I’ve ever seen. I mean… why?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 22, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
hells to the no
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I would be sad.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Also
and I think this is an important point, it’s only ONE YEAR of Vazquez. You’ve got to wonder what the marginal gain of having him in that year actually is, versus his contract.
CHONE projects Vazquez to be a 4.6 win player next year. Bill James projects a little less. I’d say that’s fair.
However, before today, their rotation was set as (presumably) Vazquez, Lowe, Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson. That’s pretty stout. Kenshin Kawakami and Kris Medlen were the 5th and 6th starters. So, if we assume that Vazquez’s innings are split between those two, what do we get?
Well, kawakami put up a 4.21 FIP last year. Medlen 3.35 FIP. Assuming Kawakami takes, say, 20 starts and Medlen 10 (random guess), they’re actually projected to put up a combined total of about 3 wins above replacement.
So, they’ve dumped Vazquez, and replaced his innings with Kawakami and Medlen (who wouldn’t have had high-leverage relief roles anyhow), and that has cost them something like 1.5 wins.
Vazquez was owed $11.5m this year. The current going rate of a win is about $4m. So, they traded 1.5 wins (Vazquez) for $11.5m in salary relief.
Conclusion:
Bizarrely, seen through this lens, the Braves would’ve been “winners” if they gave Vazquez to the Yankees for free (obviously not in reality, as Vazquez has some value as a trade piece). They will be able to buy more wins on the free agent market than Vazquez gives them over their other options with his salary. They also got a decent OFer and a good prospect in this deal.
Seriously, I like this trade for Atlanta. Maybe they could’ve got a bit more for Vazquez, but with the amount of decent pitching on the FA market, I’m not sure they could. I like it.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you here.
Don’t quite get the “WTF?!” reaction toward the Braves. It’s not a knock-down win for them, but it’s still a good deal.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'll stick to my point here
If they Braves are trying to win next year, I don’t see how this trade helps them. There are other teams in the market for pitching that have pieces that they could trade for Vazquez that could make impacts for the Braves next season.
I have a feeling that Melky is going to be platooned with Matt Diaz, but that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, because Diaz hits RHP from the right side about as well as Melky does from the left side. None of the other players in the deal really help the Braves in the next 2 years, unless they plan on spending that $8M that they saved in the deal on someone like Bay, Holliday, or Damon. If that happens, I can understand it a lot more, but they haven’t signed any of those guys yet.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
maybe they're trying to win now AND build for the future?
the two do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. And there’s still a lot of talent on the FA market in a hugely depressed year, value-wise. I can see value in freeing up payroll and getting impact talent through FA, rather than trading for it directly.
They’ve downgraded slightly next year, but freed up $8m or so, added a very nice prospect, and picked up an average outfielder. I agree that they need to spend that $8m on some talent (preferably on the offensive side), but who’s to say they won’t?
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Then why not move Derek Lowe?
I knew you were going to go here, btw, so I kinda had this statement prepared.
Lowe saves them more money over more years, was a similar pitcher before last year, and probably would bring back a similar haul in prospects without Melky Cabrera, who they really don’t need anyway. They’d have freed up enough money moving Lowe to go out and sign Jason Bay with the same money they’ll pay Lowe next year.
Keeping Vazquez means they’ll get draft pick compensation for him next year, and moving Lowe frees up more money in the future with which they can sign a FA outfielder this year, or use to lock up Jurrjens, Hanson, and Medlen long term after this season if they want to. Moving Lowe makes a LOT more sense, even if you don’t get anything back for him in return.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I would have to assume that dangling Lowe didn't get any bites.
It’s been well-known that the Braves were trying to move Lowe all offseason. Lowe even came out and said that he was sure he wouldn’t be with the Braves next season (MLB Trade Rumors … too lazy to find link).
So it would seem nobody would trade for Lowe; the Braves moved to Plan B.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
And let's not forget:
Vazquez is at the peak of his value this offseason. He’s coming off a career year that he’ll be very unlikely to duplicate.
He’d be a great pitcher to have on your team, but it makes some sense that the Braves would part with him here.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Let me ask you this...
If we traded Carp for Melky, Vizcaino, and Dunn how would you feel about that? Because that’s what the Braves did.
And before you point out that Carp has two years to go on his deal, let me say that Vazquez might make more starts in one season than Carp will make in two. And their both due to regress. And Vazquez’s deal is more club-friendly.
I’d freak if they traded Carp to the Yanks for this trio, and Vazquez is actually MORE valuable.
MB for LF in 2010!
I would be fine with that
and Carp is one of my favourite players.
Get Holliday, add Smoltz and Sheets to the rotation, heck, we even afford to take a flier on a Duchscherer or someone, and STILL have cash left to add a bullpen arm or two. We could get Smoltz & Sheets (and possibly even Calero) for the same price as Carp, and I’d rather have those guys, frankly.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, to be fair
we don’t have Jurrjens, Hudson, Lowe, Hansen, Kawakami, and Medlen either. We have WW, who is comparable to Jurrjens, and then Lohse, who’s probably similar to Kawakami but vastly more expensive.
I understand the deal on it’s merits, I just refuse to believe that there wasn’t a better deal to be had for Vazquez.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I wouldn't.
Freak, I mean.
God bless Chris Carpenter, but if the Yanks wanted to take him off our hands without making us eat any salary, I’d seriously consider the package they gave the Braves.
Maybe Carp goes out and makes sixty starts before his contract is over, but does anybody expect that? Can we expect 40? We just don’t know.
The Yankees take that uncertainty and that salary and fill our hole in left, plus a high upside/MLB-distant prospect?
I think I’d take it. Carp’s money + what we would have spent on Holliday can be put into the rotation, third base, the bullpen. That’s a lot of cash and a lot of things to do with it.
And this is a market where you can get a nice return on investment.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I believe he means freak in a positive way.
I could be wrong, though.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ah.
Gotcha. So you would be upset if the Cards moved Carpenter for that package.
Can I ask why? Do you not like the package, or just moving Carp on general principle?
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
And I see your response below now.
Never mind.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind moving Carp...
but it would have to be for something better.
I proposed a trade with the Angels for Wood, Saunders and Trout (their top OF prospect). I see now that’s wildly overestimating a top starting pitcher’s value.
MB for LF in 2010!
Yeah, I think that's the thing.
Someone taking Carp at full salary would be doing us a favor. I hate to say that, but I think it’s true.
And anybody who’s going to do that isn’t going to give up a package like what you mention above.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno...
he’s healthy right now and all it takes is one healthy season to almost cover the $30 million that’s owed him.
I could see a high revenue team that feels a little pressured by a division rival taking a shot. The Angels and Red Sox fit this description.
Maybe the Braves had to accept less b/c everyone knew they needed to get rid of a pitcher.
MB for LF in 2010!
Really?
Carp’s best WAR performance was 6.8 in 2005 (FanGraphs).
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say he does that again next year. A win costs about $3.8 M on the market (correct me if I’m off).
So if Carp duplicates his Cy Young winning season, he’s worth $25.8 M.
Ask teams in the league whether they think Carp can be expected to produce that kind of value in total in the next two seasons. I think that’s asking a lot.
And even if he does it, you’ve still got $4 M left before he matches that $30 M.
Even if you’re the Halos or Sox, do you take that gamble?
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
the halos do
but what do they have that we want? brandon wood?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Prior to the economic down turn
wins were valued at $4.4M with the anticipation that they would rise approximately 10%.
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ugh
10% growth annually in any market is unlikely
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
But I remember reading that since the early 80s even that contracts had been growing by ~10% a year on average.
Not afraid to nitpick
Not the last few years for sure
Overall payroll rose 1.2 percent to $2.91 billion from $2.88 billion, down from a 6.3 percent increase the previous year.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously not the past few
But prior to that, business was a’boomin. I believe revenues were up 15% for several years in there and that’s only since Forbes began tracking it.
Not afraid to nitpick
Ah. Here we go.
I got the $3.8 M figure from our own Erik Manning, via FanGraphs.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's just referring...
to the signings so far this off-season. Holliday and Bay will blow that number out… Anyway, you have to realize different teams pay different amounts. Desperate high rollers would presumably stretch a little.
MB for LF in 2010!
Ah. Here we go.
I got the $3.8 M figure from our own Erik Manning, via FanGraphs.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell, SBN.
What I was going to say was:
I got the $3.8 M figure from our very own Erik Manning via FanGraphs.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
This would be a good...
way to communicate to someone not to reply to your message.
MB for LF in 2010!
Ah. Here we go.
I got the $3.8 M figure from our own Erik Manning, via FanGraphs.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
now you're just taking the piss.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Turkish: He’s a stubborn bastard. He said he’s got to look after his ma.
Bricktop: Are you taking a piss?
Turkish: What can I do? I can’t make him do it, can I?
Bricktop: You’re not much good to me alive, are you Turkish? (to Errol) He’s a
useless shite that boy. Punish him for me, Errol. I want that Pikey to fight.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
for my money, the best thing about it is that
bricktop was the best movie villain in years. almost every scene with him on screen was memorable and quotable.
brad pitt’s mesmerizing pikey garble is wonderful, but bricktop makes the movie for me.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I liked the entire cast of that
Dennis Farina is always great, Jason Stratham is good, ditto Brad Pitt.
I liked the guy with the desert eagle .50, against the two black guys with the replicas – do you remember who that was?
Also, the boxing scene at the end and when they shoot Brick Top and his goons was amazing.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 22, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's Vinnie Jones
and he doesn’t disappoint much either. The scene with him and Master P in Gone in 60 Seconds is fantastic.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Or him in Swordfish.
“I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking”If that rocket was a suppository, would that bad man shove it up my ass?" Well if you eye-ball me again boy I’ll shove it so far up your ass, you’ll be begging me for this bullet." F’in beautiful.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Vinnie Jones
ex professional footballer. The absolute perfect analogy to Dennis Rodman, actually – he was something of a folk hero in the city I live as he played here a few years and was very popular. Totally lacking in any attacking talent, but very good at irritating the hell out of the other team with his hard tacklind, marking and defensive capabilities, as well as being very, very physical indeed.
As for Snatch, I thought it was superior to Lock, Stock, personally. I agree that Bricktop was a brilliant (and pretty scary) villain and I thought it was one of Pitt’s better performances too. Jones seems to have gone a bit quiet lately – he was in some booze commercials here for a while. He manages to do that “bouncer chic” thing pretty well I guess…
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
wait
football as in american football or as in european football (you guys call it soccer for some reason because you stole footbal although american football has nothing to do with feet)?
re: d-dee
I meant football, not handegg ;-)
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I like when Del Toro robs the diamonds as rabbi's
The dog eating the squeaky toy was funny too, man that was a good movie
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Dec 22, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
That was ridiculously excessive. I apologize for everyone who had to witness that triple post.
And I shake my fist at SBN.
[shakes fist]
by arch support on Dec 23, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
hmm..
I guess I just don’t think the haul the Braves got is worth much now or in the future.
MB for LF in 2010!
I'll say again
Vizcaino is a guy who put up a 2.4 FIP in low-A ball at the age of 19. He’s a long ways from the show but he’s a prospect with high upside. The Braves like those, and they have a history of both coveting them and turning them into impact talent in the major leagues.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
And they could have drafted the
same player with Vazquez’s arb draft picks in 2011.
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Are the arb picks a certainty?
Vazquez is Type A now. While I think the odds are good that he’ll be a Type A after the season, it’s not done yet.
Also, are the Yanks certain to offer him arb? My guess is they would, but we’ve seen crazier things happen these last two offseasons.
Picking nits, perhaps, but I don’t think the value of those picks is so concrete.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sure nothing is set in stone
but I think all the questions you are posing have relatively predictable answers — none of which favor the Braves, imo.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
Probably less likely now
since he’s pitching in the AL East and in the AL in particular. At least he won’t have to face the Yankees this way.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I dunno
is a #30 pick really so likely to yield a talented, high upside guy? I know we got Miller in the teens this year and Wallace at 18 a year before, but Miller fell due to signability concerns and Wallace had issues (i.e. fatness). I suspect you’re probably right but it’s no certainty. They also got Melky, who is likely worth more than a supplemental, or at least equivalent.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
We've gotten all kinds of talent...
bottom trawling in the first round. TGreene and Barton were #30s; Rasmus and Ottavino were #28s. You can get upside at #30*.
MB for LF in 2010!
Signability.
If you’re willing to spend, the talent is there.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I agree with this
but Felonius is making the point that they could have given away Vazquez for free and still come out ahead — what I’m saying is that if they’re giving away someone for free, it should be Derek Lowe, because its much more cost effective to do so, both next year and in the 2 years in the future.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
no-one is going to take Lowe for free
and no-one wanted him when they WERE dangling him for free.
They’d have to eat $5m/yr at the very least to shift Lowe. Although that frees up a similar amount of cash ($10m) for next year, it doesn’t net Cabrera and it doesn’t net any prospects.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I totally disagree with that
I can think of 1/4 of the teams in the MLB right now that would take Derek Lowe if they didn’t have to give anything back in talent:
Seattle
Anaheim
L.A. Dodgers
Boston
NYY
White Sox
I’m pretty positive that any of those teams would take him and his whole contract if they gave nothing up in trade. He’d be a third or fourth starter on any of those teams, isn’t much of an injury risk, and is a good bet to be a better pitcher next season.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Why on earth would they do that?
If they didn’t want him at $15m/yr when he was 35, why the hell would they want him at $15m/yr now, when he’s 36, when he’s just had one of his worst seasons in the last decade, and when all his peripherals just took a massive dump last year?
Additionally, why would they do that in an off-season when it appears free agent values are tanking? Would Lowe seriously get 3 years and $45m this year if he was a free agent? No, he wouldn’t.
The GMs of those teams aren’t stupid. If they wanted Lowe at that price they’d have been in the market for him last year, when he’d had a virtual career year, not in 2009, after a crappy year when free agent values are lower and there are comparable pitchers available for far less.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why on earth
were the GM’s of all those teams looking at him then? There’s been plenty of rumors going around that those teams were interested in Lowe — my guess is that the Braves wanted something in return so as not to look like idiots for signing him to that deal last year.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Why wouldn't they be "looking at him"?
In that sense, what player wouldn’t you consider acquiring? At least enough to do some math on a cocktail napkin before deciding against.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
If they'd
“consider acquiring him” then they’d probably take his whole contract if they didn’t have to give anything back.
The guy is not Julio Lugo. At worst he’s a league average starter who will start 32 times next year, and he’s probably a good bet to better than that after having an off year.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
At worst he’s a league average starter who will start 32 times next year
Not worth $15m of anyone’s money.
Also, just because he’s not had a severe injury for a few years, doesn’t mean he’s the iron man. Guy is 37.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
it’s apparently worth $11M or so of ours., and Lohse doesn’t have the upside that Derek Lowe has either.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Kyle Lohse being signed to a terrible contract
is not relevant in this discussion.
Also, do you think we could give Lohse away for nothing now, without eating some of that contract, either? Nope, me neither.
Honestly, Lowe’s deal isn’t terrible, but it’s paying him at close to a best-case scenario rate (same as Lohse’s) before the economy and the FA player values started tanking.
Both are signed to contracts above their real value, ergo both are not worth anything in a trade and would need some of their contract eaten to be able to move them. I don’t see how this supports your position that the Braves could just move Lowe’s contract, as they TRIED to do that and failed.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's relevant
because it happens all the time. Are you telling me that the Cubs would rather have Carlos Silva than Derek Lowe in exchange for Milton Bradley? I bet they’d take Lowe in a heartbeat and only ask the Braves to kick in the $6M that they got from Seattle. That’s a far better deal for the Braves than what they got. They free up $5-6M the next two seasons, get a good hitter and corner outfielder and unload the Lowe’s contract while keeping Javy.
It’s like you think Lowe’s contract is as bad as Soriano’s contract or Vernon Wells’ contract. It’s not nearly as bad as either of those.
They tried to move it, but they didn’t try to give it away for free, because, as you’ve said, their GM is trying to save face. Which is fine, but that doesn’t mean that a deal couldn’t have been made.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
They should've traded him for Bradley, yep
and I don’t understand why the Cubs didn’t do that. Perhaps Hendry has no green light to take on any more salary? I dunno. But yeah, that deal makes plenty of sense for both teams. But still, it didn’t happen – if anything, that suggests how luke-warm the Derek Lowe market is.
On the other hand, however, if they sent Lowe +$6m to the Cubs for Bradley, that doesn’t really free up any cash for them this year, nor does it net them any prospects. Perhaps those were key elements to the deal from the Braves point of view. Also, perhaps they value clubhouse chemistry and that sort of thing and Bradley was an absolute no-go under any circumstances from their point of view.
I haven’t said Lowe’s deal was as bad as Wells or Sorianos, nor do I think it is – it’s probably comparable to Lohse’s, in that the only way to shift it is to take on a similarly poor contract or to eat a good-sized chunk of it. If the #1 priority of the Vazquez trade was to gain some salary space and to play the long game by adding a top prospect, this could not be done by trading Lowe.
Personally, I think salary-dumping Lowe makes some sense, and it may make more sense for the Braves, but it seems like they couldn’t/wouldn’t get it done. In that context, the Vazquez deal is fine as an alternative. They’re selling high on Vazquez rather than selling Lowe on, ermm, Lowe. Perhaps they’re also banking on Lowe rebounding a bit – Wren obviously likes him as he gave him such a big deal last year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying $6M total
over three years. So $2M next season. Plus they add a better than average bat with Bradley, so they don’t need to go get one.
I agree with the last part. I think they probably are banking on Lowe to be better next year. I just think that the market for Vazquez had to be better than what they got for him. Seems like they may have rushed into a deal without shopping him sufficiently.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
quite possibly
like I said, I don’t think it’s a terrible deal and I think people are over-reacting. But I certainly don’t think it’s the absolute best deal they could ever get for Vazquez, and there’s probably a market for him elsewhere.
Another possibility is that they just REALLY like Vizcaino. The Braves minor league scouting and development has been really good, maybe they just trust their own process and minor league talent guys and they made him a very high priority on that basis. Who knows.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
That could be the case
But the moves that they’ve made this offseason show that they intend to compete next year, and they have an offense that has a lot of holes currently. If they really like someone in this deal, my guess is that it’s Melky — they must think that he’s due to improve Nelson Cruz style or something, making him a valuable player as a corner outfielder.
I think it’s possible, guys like him have improved late in their careers before once they finally get regular playing time — Jayson Werth is a prime example. He got jerked around all the time in L.A., then went to Philly, they stuck him in the lineup and he’s hit pretty much ever since.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Maybe.
I wonder if it’s more a confluence of everything – they liked Vizcaino, they couldn’t find a better suitor for Vazquez/Lowe and they thought Cabrera had some ceiling still (which doesn’t seem unreasonable, actually). The cash they freed up probably gives them space to add a bat at 1B at least, too.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 5:55 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I can't respond to hearsay, really
but suffice to say, nobody DID take Lowe off their hands. Apparently they were looking to trade him, and nobody offered anything acceptable to them. My guess would be teams were wanting them to swallow a big chunk of salary to do it, and they didn’t find any suitors who would eat the contract straight up.
But then, in this case, my guess is as good as yours.
Seems they wanted rid of Lowe and his albatross and they couldn’t do it. And the only rumour I heard around Lowe was that he was “available” and that the Brewers (who like overpaying for middle of the rotation starters) had an interest but they couldn’t get anything done.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine that the conversation went something like this:
Other GM: What do you want for Derek Lowe?
Braves GM: Well, you take his whole contract and send us back a couple of C prospects.
Other GM: Ok — we’ll send you two B prospects, in exchange you eat $5M per season over the next three years.
Braves GM: No Thanks.
I doubt it ever got to the point where the Braves just said: “Hey, you take him off of our hands, and we’ll take a bat boy and a bucket of baseballs”. No GM is going to disrespect himself in that manner, even though he probably should because the deal is better.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
yeah, quite possibly
ergo – they couldn’t shift Lowe’s contract without eating some of it.
I think a big part of it is Wren wanting to save face. It’s very tough to sign a guy to a 4 year deal and then basically dump him for nothing and eat some of it a year later.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
This I agree with
I think a big part of it is Wren wanting to save face
Take the ego out of it and I think Lowe probably gets moved with a Braves eating $10M or so, which is actually a better deal for them in the future.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
basically what I'm saying
they’re kinda analagous deals. Perhaps no-one would even take Lowe WITH $5m of his salary eaten for each of the next three years (also, no GM is going to do that – the Cubs didn’t even want to eat much of Bradley’s salary, and Wren would look totally stupid signing Lowe to 4/60m then giving him away one year later AND paying $30m of the contract), so perhaps they didn’t even have that choice.
Cabrera + Vizcaino is worth more than the draft pick compensation for Vazquez. About the best-case scenario is that you get a pitcher that profiles similar to Vizcaino with your 1st round comp pick (pick 15-30) if you’re lucky, and if we’re assuming that pick is only worth $5m, it’s worth less than Vizcaino is IMO. The supplemental pick is unlikely to yield a player as good as Cabrera – you can maybe go high-upside and have a CHANCE of getting a better player, but a cheap, average major leaguer offers more value than a supplemental pick.
So what the Braves got back was worth more than Vazquez’s compensation. They also got $8m salary relief, and they lost the 1.5 (let’s be bullish and say 2) wins that he’d add over and above what Kawakami/Medlen adds to their rotation next year.
If they did the same with Lowe, they don’t get any of the talent as it’s basically a salary dump (they may get something roughly equivalent to the supplemental pick, perhaps, to placate the fans), and they save an equivalent amount of money, whilst having a better team next year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Dangling Lowe
is a really funny phrase.
I have nothing else to add to this conversation.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
grit?
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, god no.
I’m literally like the anti-grit. All talent, no work. Seriously. I’m a giant waste of potential. Sad, really.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
but if VEB is anti-grit
would your anti-grit translate to grit online?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
Intriguing question, but I think still no. The best I could really hope for is the JD Drew defense, I think, in which I would be defended for doing pretty well, even if I never quite lived up to what everyone thought I would be.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
are you kidding me?
your Spants! your feisty! if anything you are chieving right along nicely…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
It made me smile as I typed it.
I wish I could have added “and swaying to and fro”, but it didn’t occur to me then.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
correction, Kawakami and Medlen were the 6th and 7th starters
I’ve also estimated their value over 30 starts as being ~ 3 wins. kawakami was above average last year (he’s projected again to be slightly above average by CHONE this year) and Medlen was excellent, and has very good projections from both James and CHONE (admittedly as more of a reliever). I don’t think 3 wins is far from the mark from what you’d expect from 30 starts of those two.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
i understand the rationale.
The braves could do worse than trading vasquez. It’s the fair market value that bugs me. Seems a season of a 4-5 win player at a bargain price is worth more than that.
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by tom s. on Dec 22, 2009 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also - and this is somewhat of a digression
vazquez is an “interesting” case in that he’s notorious in sabr circles for having consistently and repeatedly under-performed his FIP (although he didn’t this last year), so perhaps FIP-based WAR over-rates his value slightly? Of course, he might’ve just unluckily played in front of awful defenses his whole career, but I’m sure I recall reading an article a while back that said he was still something of an outlier, even with that proviso.
I’d be interested to see his tRA WAR for the last couple of years. Even that might nto quite cover it, but it’s perhaps not unreasonable to downgrade his value slightly based on his anomalous production. Just a thought, might be nothing to it…
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think this has to do
with him being a strikeout pitcher who usually has a pretty low walk rate, but for some reason gives up a lot more hits than pitchers of his skillset. For instance, A.J. Burnett strikes out guys a lower rate and walks more, but gives up fewer hits than Vazquez does. Javy’s career K/BB is better than Randy Johnson’s is, yet he gives up almost a hit more per nine than Randy does.
What saberists can’t seem to figure out is why this is the case. You just don’t see a guy who racks up 9K’s per 9 innings and gets hit as hard as Vazquez does most of the time. This really effects his FIP in comparison to ERA because his low walk rate should indicate that fewer runs are scored independent of the defense.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
yeah
but if this effect is real (and it’s been going on long enough that there seems a chance it is) then it will depress his value below that which is reported by FIP-based WAR, which is perhaps a good argument that his value perhaps isn’t as high as we assume.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
tRA WAR
’09 – 5.8
’08 – 5.6
’07 – 5.7
’06 – 5.8
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Not Really....
…because they are the Yankees, and can buy out anyone, if they really want them. If Vazquez has an-udder excellent year, you u really think the Yanks will let him go, or that anyone else, besides maybe the Sawks, cud bid for him? The Yankees have him for as long as they want,and will dump him when he is of little use later on.
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http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/trade-fallout-melky-cabrera-to-atlanta
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:=8O
do you have Vazquez in a keeper league or something?
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we have the prospects,
sadly, if the Braves wanted to go “high upside pitcher”. Miller is literally the only guy in our system with a potential ace-level arm, and we can’t trade him. If that was what they wanted, we didn’t have it.
I suppose maybe DJ Tools, Skip + a pitcher or something might’ve got it done – I’m not sure I’d be too keen to shop Tools after a down year, though.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Tools & Skip...
…. would be enough – provided we signed Vazquez to an extension.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I'm not so sure
the player the Yanks gave up (Vizcaino) is a better prospect than Tools, I would say, and they gave up an OKish AAA LOOGY type (Tyler Norrick?). I’m not sure if Skip’s as valuable as Melky if he’s purely played in the OF, either, and the Bravos seem pretty set in the middle infield. Seems crazy to non-tender Kelly Johnson and then trade for an inferior carbon copy (Skip).
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
no, he's about 4 years older.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I just can't figure out...
why the American League is so much better than the National League…
As an ardent NLer, this f****** pisses me off.
Javier Vazquez is as good as Wainwright and will net the Yanks two picks after he leaves next year.
Melky Cabrera is one or two mediocre seasons away from the non-tender list on mlbtr.
Vizcaino blew guys away last year… for Staten Island in short-season ball. Yeah, guys who do well there never fail.
Mike Dunn isn’t even a prospect.
How can anyone defend this?
MB for LF in 2010!
there are #)!*($!#$ers who say the DH is real baseball
I say eff them. eff those effers.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry the Yankees
don’t live in Albertofstan… Our jurisdiction doesn’t reach them.
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we don't have a salary cap in AlertbofStan
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Are you sure about that?
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aka did I say anything about it...
I’m too lazy to go back and look.
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i wouldn't be running for pres if we had one
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de bottom, in fact.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think Felonius's defense of this trade is pretty sound.
Cabrera isn’t as worthless as everyone here is saying he is.
And it’s only one year of Vazquez.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
To be frank, this trade kind of reminds me of the J.D.Drew/Marquis trade
Good MLBer (Drew) going where wanted/needed in return for two ‘average/slightly above average’ (Marquis/King-to an extent) pieces with a low-level/high-upside prospect (Wainwright) being the real centerpiece of the deal for the team in return for giving up the MLBer.
Man, I fricking LOVE that trade!
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
in hindsight, it should be referred to as the
Wagonmaker Deal of the Century.
/vehemently apologize for labeling as i did earlier.
/prostrates himself before the wagonmaker in repentance.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 22, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
We included Marrero in that trade as well
who was a good 4th OF/backup C for us at the time.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Decent analogy.
Wainwright is what made that trade for the Cards. In the Braves case, Vizcaino hasn’t yet made that type of contribution.
But even so, Cabrera is not a bad player. He’s league average now, and he’s young and being paid less than market value. If he plays like he did last year, he can be an everyday OF.
Add in the lack of downside in losing Vazquez (see Felonious’ posts) and this deal is fine for the Braves. They freed up payroll without getting worse and they got a decent player and a prospect with high upside.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
To This Cow...
…the trade is worse than the player. Cabrera has his uses, I suppose, but him and a prospect for Vazquez, even for only 1 year, is not a deal I would make. Besides, the Yankees have all the moolah in the world, if they want Vazquez for longer than 1 year they will get him.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
And the Cardinals did well there
but 1) the risk was almost exclusively on their side and 2) Wainwright became much better than many anticipated. That trade could have turned out very very differently.
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I swear that teams are so star struck by the Yankees
that they deal with them because of all the hype of their players be it major or minor leage.
I know I’m glad the Cards are in the NL. If I were a fan of a team in the AL that wasn’t the Yankees or Red Sox I would be about ready to just give up on the sport all together.
How much longer till the Yankees sign Holliday?
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
If the Yankees signed Holliday to $20M a year
It would actually cost them $28M with Luxury Taxes
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
If you wanted to dump a big salary
and the Yankees were the only team that could or wanted to handle that salary, what would you do?
I guess the Yankees are the pawn shop of MLB
or like some kind of credit union to the other MLB teams now….in many ways.
It’s funny and sad that one team can have this type of power with money.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
WWL
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
aka the Eastern Seaboard Propaganda Network
also, when you wear Nationals caps overseas, they have… problems.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
haha hfs
looks like they got another form of luggaging
Their luggage was checked and rechecked, and they were quizzed by security
I think deadspin had a massive post on Nats fail
it was pretty sad
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I say they make a push for Dye.
They’re only lookin’ to replace Melky’s numbers, not necessarily throw in a huge bat. Save a little money and go for a guy who can put 20 out.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
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Dye is terrible
and Cashman’s been pretty smart the last couple of years. It’s possible, but I wonder if the Yanks are now a pretty well-managed team. Which is very scary.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
No, who's on first.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Via MLBTR...
9:45am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post says (via Twitter) that Bay, Johnny Damon and Matt Holliday remain too expensive for the Yankees.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
The thing about it is that luxury tax....
I’m pulling numbers out of my ass here, but if they paid Holliday 18M per, the true number would be a cost of something like 25mil per. That would make even a Steinbrenner stop and think about it, I would think.
* is an Asshat
you
anything over $170MM costs them a 40% tax
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, not you
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
sounds all right to me
but i’m a socialist commie america hater
maybe 40% above 170 and 75% above 200MM?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
way better than a salary cap at least
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
google has your back. or ass.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hrhHrCmnByc0rfgQLC7PwUiA3kowD9CO2A280
a luxury tax of nearly $25.69 million Monday, according to information received by clubs and obtained by The Associated Press.
New York is the only team to pay a tax for this season and has crossed the threshold in all seven years since the tax started.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
of course they meant inclusively all three together
Bay, Damon, and holliday are too expensive
by ADMDrayson on Dec 23, 2009 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
haha, man, that might be it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Harangodgers talks not dead
Reds want Sherrill
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Good luck getting him
The Dodgers bullpen was saved because of him.
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
yeah since I posted that, things fell through
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sherrill's weird
seems consistently over-rated, yet then turns out to be consistently good. I can’t quite get a read on him, I don’t think.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
maybe he's crazy
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I know this should go in the HSP but...
Mets have no interest in Piñeiro? At all?
With Marquis, John Lackey and Randy Wolf now unavailable, the Mets could be down to the last of the preferred free-agent starting pitchers — Joel Pineiro. But there has been no indication that they have any great interest in him. The $29.75 million contract Wolf signed with the Brewers appeared to spook the Mets. They hadn’t expected Wolf to command such a figure and were prompted to look past the other starters they considered mid-range and less accomplished than Lackey. They did develop a belated interest in Lackey based in part of Wolf’s deal, though not one comparable to the Red Sox’s interest — $85 million.I guess in the middle of bidding against themselves for Bay, and Bengie single-handedly holding up their entire Hot Stove season, they just don’t have room for Jo-El.
(that sound you’re hearing is the carnival music)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
carney music freaks me the f out
now i’ll never go to sleep
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
weren't we supposed (or is it just suppose) to hear from Holliday before Christmas?
or did I just miss it somehow?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
we were supposed to hear from him last week
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
we heard from him
he is doing well, staying busy, family is good and he hopes to talk to us again real soon…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
did he get those tins of assorted nuts?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Mickey Mouse?
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yes, unfortunately
the nuts were crushed
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
nope
he was carrying them when his wife lazily tossed him a ball. He misjudged it, perhaps lost it in the lights, and the ball came down and hit him square in the nuts. . . the tin of nuts, that is
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
either way
the nuts are crushed. . . along with our chances of winning this game. . . wait, what were we talking about again??
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
so....um...
yeah, 56 days until pitchers and catchers can report huh?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
surely not
Boras will kill Santa Claus, cancel Christmas, then hold out until the next holiday season.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Well....
…if he weren’t doing things like that, Boras would really…bore us.
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
*giggle*
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
He'll only call..
to wish the Cardinals a Happy Holliday
What is this.
James Bond one-liner day?
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Horatio?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Capps-stakes
Free agent right-hander Matt Capps will make a decison on Wednesday night. It’s between the Cubs and the Nationals.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Really?
Those are the options he’s allowing himself? What kind of offers were other teams making?
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
on the 19th
The following teams have been linked to Capps: the D’Backs, Cubs, Orioles, Rangers, Rockies, Marlins, Nationals, Mets, Tigers, and Yankees (we’re still about six teams short, five if you count the Pirates). [His agent] Kinzer told Rosenthal [that] Capps “plans to select five or six finalists by the weekend, then make his decision.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
And the Cubs and Nationals are the top two?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I would guess, based on who's on that list
that they are the ones offering the most money and the opportunity to close. The Mets and Yankees already have a closer, and none of those other clubs is going to offer him much money on a one year deal.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I guess but man...
the Cubs and the Nationals. Poor guy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
that's how it shook out in the intervening days
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
Cubs or Nationals. That’s like choosing between crap and shit
by Cardsray on Dec 22, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
those are two of the only teams where
He could close.he’s thinking about future paydays.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Dec 22, 2009 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he could close for us
I’ll be annoyed if he signs for <$4m. He would’ve been a good fit in the Lou’.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't get it.
Teams that actually win would like him on their roster.
What's the source for this?
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Ank in New Yankee Stadium
might not be the worst thing. The right field wall would help boost his one plus skill: power. Add in decent corner defense, strong arm, and (if he could manage it) a .320-.330 OBP and the Yanks would have themselves a deal.
Unless Boras is still asking for multiple years. If so, blech.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Does being surrounded by extremely patient hitters rub off?
If so, the Yankees need Ankiel immediately.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Ank managed a .337 OBP
in 413 PA in ‘08. It’s not out of the realm of possibility.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed the use of the word "managed"
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He'll be great!
Do it Yankees! Do it!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
you're mean
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
oh i thought your Yankee hate was coming out there
i think he’d be good off the bench for them, but i don’t think he could handle starting there right now. those fans will be on him ever second of ever game & i don’t think he can take that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
is it just me
or are all player interviews the same?
you heard one you’ve heard them all..
i mean what do they do, make them memorize lines at the door to the majors?
Colby's are completely different.
That’s why he is so wonderful.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Listen to his interviews. He’s weird.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Shannon NEEDS to interview him for *all* his interviews
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I still haven't heard that one.
I need to find it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm shocked
they were both laughing by the end of it
it was a pre-game, IIRC
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm trying to find it online but I am not being very successful.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 22, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
this is why I sweat the small stuff during game threads
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/9/15/1031094/they-cant-make-lohse-wellemeyer#21265431
MOAR DETAILS
it makes it easier to search later, and news archives keep yanking older stuff out
Also, that link is really funny in light of certain events.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm still getting nothing.
I feel like it’s not online.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
facebook fsn for a clip
or whatever you kids do these days
you know what day it happened, thanks to the magic of veb
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
ask them for it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I have one a day
don’t waste it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Nope.
I’m going to have to agree with Clemson here. Colby’s interviews really are something special. And by special I mean, um, nevermind.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 22, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't the accent, neither
you can contrast Jarrett Hoffpauir’s
THE HOFF
(video with ads)
(all The Hoff links radiate from here)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I still say spants should be required to translate all Cobly's interviews next season
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
BOOM...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
yeah, I'm thinking that meme won't catch.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
dangolmemesleftherelikedangolweekolcrawdaddies
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
there's a thread down there with your name on it
…so it seems.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That's what she said?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Dec 22, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
if she did... HFS.
you gotta get your mind cleaned out, dude.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
WOWZERS
I have a pretty dirty mind and it took my reading that 3 times to catch it.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
If you keep swinging for the fences
eventually you’ll hit a dribbler… that’s my strategy at least.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I'm trying really, really hard to leave that one alone.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
That takes all the fun out of it.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Fine.
So was that your strategy for a Sat. nite out on the town or what?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
wow we gotta stop at some point
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
No it's really only me who needs to stop
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
rec'd for unpleasantness.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
Bravo.
That is all.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Dec 23, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh snap yo
Dis be some gross shiz.
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it's all about the teamwork
hopefully I did a decent job while you were gone
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Curses!
Beat my reference by less than a second.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
cause I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
And I gladly stand up,
next to you and defend her still today.
‘ Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land,
God bless the USA.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
it damn well should be
they should make every person seeking citizenship kareoke that song before it’s official
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
no,
while simulating Vanilla Ice’s music video
word to ya mutha
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
in other patriotism news
I really, really hate “God Bless America”. It’s a terrible song (and yes, I know this is a different song). Star Spangled Banner is a brilliant anthem, great, rousing song, but GBA just sucks IMO.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
God Bless America is awesome.
Brits. Bunch of weirdos with cool accents.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i'll have to go with monk on this one
kids “singing” (someone please give me a synonym for bad singing) it before ball games doesn’t make it more appealing
But me singing it makes it appealing.
I never said kids singing it makes it appealing. I like it. It’s a cute little song.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
It's fun to sing.
It is kind of corny but that’s why it’s fun to sing.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
If we're talking about fun songs to sing
that are also patriotic… this bad boy takes the cake.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I like it. It’s a cute little song.
Anthems and patriotic songs shouldn’t be “cute”. They should be stirring, graceful, rouosing, maybe, but not cute. GBA has shit lyrics too. The words to SSB are, in contrast, really good, IMO.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
But SSB
is an 18th-century drinking song and unsingable by any but top-flight professionals at the tempo required to make it sound noble.
For my money the Battle Hymn is the best of our patriotic songs, musically. My high school band often played it instead of the official fight song, which was itself pretty good – War Eagle.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
I find
that there are a lot of people who don’t know what the Battle Hymn of the Republic originated from. Makes me feel like high school history teachers (or “football coaches”, where I’m from) are really failing us.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Written by Julia Ward Howe at the...
…Willard Hotel in Washington D.C. The tune was first sung around 1855 and the various lyrical versions were all obliquely related to John Brown being hung. It was sung by Union armies as a marching tune, primarily.
My students aren’t being let down!!!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 22, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very nice
became a staple of American solidarity after the union soldiers returned home following the war.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
origins better than
deutschland deutschland ueber alles
ueber alles auf der welt
they didn’t like these so much they left them out on the national anthem entirely
they do make awesome cars
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Deutschland ueber alles ...
was written when there was no Germany and was a hymn to German unity, not German conquest – ‘be a German rather than a Bavarian or Prussian or Hessian.’
And the tune was stolen from Haydn’s entirely pacific ‘Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser’, composed in emulation of ‘God Save the King’ (without that song’s vulgar appeal to the Almighty to frustrate the Loyal Opposition).
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
yes but after der fuehrer was done
germans have steered clear of everything that might even remotely present itself as “nationalism” as they do until today
but as long as they keep making cars and marzipan, i’m okay with their history
i had no idea marzipan was big in deutschland
I thought it was italian actually (wikipedia reveals it has its roots in Iran anyhow).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
wiki say's its big in bavaria too
I think.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
why are we against the 18th century and drinking?
this is AMERICA.
…wait.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Nothing at all
against either, but why spoil a good drinking song by singing it like a hymn?
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
true
maybe we should go old-school
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
God Save the King?
Everybody knows the tune.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
can we trick more Canadians into playing for us?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
it's a queen now.
you didn’t get the memo in 1952???
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't help that they sing it during the 7th inning stretch
at every playoff game now. That annoys me. It was a cool idea back in 2001, but there wasn’t any need to carry it forward as a “tradition” — we’re not still wearing FDNY patches on hats and stuff are we?
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
that's the strangest tattoo i've seen in quite awhile
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
When he coughs or moves
The Flag waves proud
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Dec 22, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
wtf
is nertlerb and why does google only have three results…all leading to veb
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
MooCow made it up
he’s trying to force a meme on us.
of course “wtf is nertlerb” is technically a meme, so he cud do it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not So Moooch Force as...
…catch on because its soooo stylish! And Nertlerb!
;=8)
Ok, and because it annoys people.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I totally agree with Monk on this one
i hate that song, yet I love America
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I hate the mandatory jingoism before baseball games.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 22, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's nothing
overseas on US military installations before every movie at the theater they play the national anthem..
You see that part where you wrote "US military installations?"
See, that makes sense to me to play the national anthem there. But at a baseball game?
For a few years after 9-11-2001, there were patriotic songs before the game and during the 7th inning stretch. I wanted to scream.
Now with extra feisty!
yeah
went last year. It was bemusing, to say the least.
In other 7th inning stretch news, and as one of the few Wrigley-lovers on this site, I really like the corny-as-hell “take me out to the ballpark” at Wrigley. That confused the hell out of me first time I went there, as well.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
The National Anthem is good for me before the game.
God Bless America is overkill though. Even if I think it’s a fun song.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
at the movie theater?
really?
the flags everywhere, the uniforms and the barbed wire and armed guards at the gates are not american enough?
at ballgames i can go with the anthem, but god bless america on top? too much
It's a military installation. Why are you really surprised?
The military would collapse in on itself without enforced patriotism. Go empire!
But baseball games are public events. If I see an Army-Navy baseball game on a base, then I’ll be okay with all the flag-waving.
Now with extra feisty!
barbed wire = patriotism?
hfs.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
wait till you see the prisons!
Nothing says patriotism like a guard tower, a checkpoint, and a bomb-sniffing dog.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 22, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
you just described
the US military installation i lived on for 3 years
in germany
you forgot machine guns though
I'm okay with it if the players are into it
they’re creatures of habit
but when I see Chris Fucking Carpenter kicking dirt like he can’t wait to make that song go away and Cliff Fucking Lee sprinting to the mound like he thinks they forgot there was a-pitching to be had, that’s too much.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah, he's in pre-game mental warmup then
mid-innings delays…
though, they were joking about Shaq delaying the pre-game + Carp
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I had too many links not to share
and it’s hard to find this stuff all together months or years from now
someone should give some love to Piñeiro’s grounder season, or Skip’s “anyone can play second base”. 09 had too many breakout moments.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I don't think the players give a shit.
Especially since many players aren’t American.
Now with extra feisty!
f'in hawksworth
really it’s gotta be great to do this every game in toronto
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
it's still part of the routine
most players are borderline OCD
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
The routine changed in 2001 and 2002.
How ever did those players survive with a new routine?
Now with extra feisty!
are we talking about GBA or the National Anthem?
comment above is about Carp and Lee being restless during GBA, not the Anthem.
put the knives down, I think I was agreeing with you in the first place.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
You were saying you were cool with it if the players were cool with it.
I don’t give a shit what the players think. I’m paying $ to go to the game. There’s our difference.
And that wasn’t a knife. It was a safety pin.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 22, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I give a shit what the players think
it’s their workplace
I think this is where we agree to disagree
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
that's the third time someone's wanted it in haiku
it’s never going
to be a haiku, people.
live with it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
c'mon
you have to go with Hulk Hogan and Real American!
‘I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what’s right, fight for your life!
When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside,
ya’ gotta take a stand, it don’t help to hide,
Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can’t let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what’s right, fight for your life!’
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Dec 22, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what song did Apollo play
before Drago killed him?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
YES
now that’s a 7th inning stretch i could get behind.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Gonna rise up
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by vexedtechie on Dec 22, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's good stuff...
Have you seen The League? In it’s short but sweet first season it has vaulted Sunny in this man’s book.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i saw the pilot & i hated it
i’m surprised you like it since it blows the nfl so hard
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
To me it was more
a show about a bunch of buddies who happen to be in a fantasy league.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it was trying way to hard to be funny, and i didn't like it
plus the humor was just crude to be crude. there was no thought or wit behind it.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The crude statement is valid
but I enjoy shows that don’t make me think to get jokes from time to time. And that show very well fits the bill. If I want to think about stuff I’ll watch drama shows. I like my comedies to be here’s joke, laugh at joke, move on.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
The League is phenomenal.
The pilot left something to be desired, but it REALLY picked up.
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The trade rape joke
was one of the best I heard on a TV show in a long time. Three penis wine was also good stuff.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
There were a lot of good ones
point being gdm go back and watch one of the other episodes and see if you still hate it.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
don't you tell me what to do. no sir, not you
but i will go watch show #2 sometime this week & give it another shot.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so i should ignore the email asking for pics then?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I see what you did there...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
oh wait that was from someone else, nevermind
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yeah. the taco character is great.
jon lajoie has a lot of great stuff on youtube. check it out if you haven’t already.
rec'd
i’ve looked for that on youtube a bunch of times and could never find it for some reason. so, thanks!!
where are you from & why are you here?
just curious
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
who the hell are you talking to bro?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
d dee, she keeps saying she's not from here but never says where she's from
i think it would help us understand her better if we got a clue
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
d-dee, International woman of mystery
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I thought she was from the DR
like APu
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
hell i don't know or care, just wondering cause she keeps bringing it up
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i am just going to operate under the assumption that this poster
is Mrs. Pujols, until I am proven wrong. So let’s try not to piss her off too much, okay people?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
seconded
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Do you think she'll hook me up with Colby?
Since vexed hasn’t. Some bench player he is. Geez.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
you still want him now?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Yeah.
What, you think a baby when he isn’t even with the mother anymore is going to stop me? Pshhhh…
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Means she's sure to get some action...
Dude obviously puts out…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
The more important question here...
is that Boog in a Deputy Douche shirt???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I thought that was bad until
I noticed Colby wearing a cut up Mickey Mouse shirt.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
What exactly is Colby's right hand doing???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I noticed that too.
And was completely amazed at the hilarity of this picture.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
one word
manstew. . . or is that 2 words?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it can go both ways
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
slowly walks away from this sub-thread
….
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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as you put your pants back on
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
NOOooooo
Boog can’t be a douche! He’s not good-looking enough…
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
wow, if even IHB is heartbroken....
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I do like that he's keeping his mustache in the off-season.
I also think its kind of cute that he and Corbin hang out and wear douchey shirts together.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
it's not from offseason
they’d be changing diapers if they were hanging out now
check RB’s original column
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I did.
It says
Either way, I’m glad Brendan still has the mustache.
I took that to mean the picture was recent.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
oh wait, I see GDM's comment that this was from the summer.
my bad.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
yeah my computer crapped out, I was gonna say "don't ignore gdm"
“I know it’s hard”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
no one's ever said that to or about gdm
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I still don't know that Colby's shirt is THAT douchey.
I think it’s kind of funny. In a morbid sort of way. His right hand is still odd though.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I never said he was a douche...
just his shirt may imply so to the untrained eye…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I know, I was referring to the shirt.
Before I thought he was way too quirky and odd to be a douche, but I see that shirt and I’m having second thoughts.
Its a sad day for me.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Peer pressure gets the best of everyone
sooner or later.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
y'know, I'm not so sure
maybe we’ve been pointing at Colby at the douche when it’s actually the influence of his goofy friend.
read it and weep
A is the general neighborhood of Boog
B is the general neighborhood of Ryan Braun
both born 1983
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
^as, not at
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Braun lives in the valley...
that explains so much.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
wiki
“In 2009 Braun purchased a foreclosed five-bedroom, seven-bathroom gated Mediterranean home in Malibu for $4.85 million. It had been listed at a high of $8.9 million in 2007.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
B isn't Malibu...
Is this where they grew up as kids? Cause if so, that still explains a lot.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
yeah, that's childhood homes
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly...
Boog should have just pulled up a cot in the Dodgers locker room then.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
he probably has
his family lived down the street from the old owners
and he’s played there in h.s.
so that’s how I centered the map
(Goold 6ly stalks him…)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
That picture is hilarious.
Who’s the guy in the glasses?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
timberdouche
he thinks he’s famous, but he’s not. he’s just a tool
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
timberfake
a fake st. louis celebrity who calls himself a “playbaby” and crap like that. he’s the worst of the worst.
search timberfake on youtube for plenty more examples.
also, everyone go
here & listen to when that pic was taken it pretty much explains everything & answers all your questions.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
gotta love the ITD morning after
i’m not ready to get excited about nick and the badger yet, though.
i don't even want to listen to it,
but if the one girl hanna is the cohost i will. i hate charlie. i have to put up with his kind out here all day & i just hate that guy. if you heard today’s show he was crying about everyone picking on him & how he creeps on girls. well it’s true, he sucks & is a creep. i have no idea why they’d give that assclown his own show. i’ve got more talent in my pinky than he has in his entire sucktastic body
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
haven't listened to today's show yet
i put them on the ipod and listen to them at work usually.
charlie is annoying and joe doesn’t excite me. he’s best in the 4th man/producer/target role.
there was some pretty funny parts
at chuckles expense that’s worth the listen. i see giving joe a shot at a show, but not chuckles. at least joe kind of knows what he’s doing. sometimes.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I really feel like he just kind of jumped in the picture.
He seems like that kind of guy. It would also explain the look on Colby’s face which appears to be “WTF dude? Get out of our bromance picture!”
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
ding ding ding!
he was fully aware the picture would end up on the internet and he could pretend he hangs with the cardinals on a regular basis.
Brendan Ryan's face says,
“Well. We’ll just have to take this one again.”
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
listen to the clips, it's pretty funny
how they trash that douche
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
that picture makes me want to get a van, a bucket of chloroform, and patrol the streets
at night, snatching douchebags out of the front of bars and vasectomizing all of them.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
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Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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to..... avenge Boog?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 4:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well done
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
didn't have a reply
then I cheated, and checked my sig.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yeesh.
Vasectomizing? Couldn’t you just call their mothers and tell them they should be ashamed of themselves?
by arch support on Dec 23, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Go big or go home.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
that's what they said
to alert tom s. to their identification
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, what am I supposed to do???
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Done. Just talked to him.
Expect a phone call around 10am on Christmas morning.
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that's cold, vexed
where’s she gonna get a translator on Christmas morning?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Dangolrudolphrednosedreindeerummadangumfindoutwho'snaughtyornice.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 24, 2009 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
there was that one time Boog suddenly segued into the nightmare he had the night before
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
again, belongs in the HFP
but. c’mon. hehehe.
#Yankees did check in on #Cubs Zambrano and #Reds Harang, but combo of $$ owed and health concerns pushed them toward Vazquez
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
damn it, fingers. HSP.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i actually like some limited posts in the
main thread and the HSP
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
my personal guideline
is I put more of a list of transactions there
and I put the funny shit here
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
any sentence that starts with "cubs"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ok, so here's some more Vazquez trade fallout.
Does Gaudin make sense on our team? Right-handed bullpen arm who can actually get guys out every now and then. If he could cut down on the walks a bit, he’d be an asset. Given who he’s been traded for recently ($100,000), I doubt the Yanks would want much in exchange.
Oxy moron?
“really get guys out, every now and then?”
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
OxiMoran, you say?
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by vexedtechie on Dec 22, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, Gaudin makes a lot of sense
I doubt we go near him, though, as we could’ve had him for nothing last year but didn’t bother. He’d be a good cheap option as 5th SP if we sign Holliday, as we could likely afford Holliday, Gaudin (5th starter) and a bullpen arm or two (Calero or whoever). I’m guessing if we get Holliday we can’t afford any of the better pitching options, like Smoltz or Sheets.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't seem to get a lot of guys out after the first week or 2
when i watched him on the Cubs. I looked forward to him coming in to pitch, if that tells you anything.
Wait
The Yankees trade for a guy making $11.5M next year and then are going to trade Mitre (~$2M) or Gaudin ~$3M) to “free up money”? I’m going outside to make sure the sky isn’t falling…..
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
they did say
they’re going to bring payroll down
whilst the Sauks are going to bump payroll up
for… their tax brackets of “payroll”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
they need to free up roster space, most likely
they’ve already got 4-5 solid bullpen arms, don’t really need Gaudin, who isn’t really suited to bullpen work (except as a long man) anyhoo.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Then say
“We need to clear some roster space for the pitcher we just acquired.”
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
maybe they want everyone to think they suddenly have cash
so when the cards are on the verge of signing Holliday for 6 yrs $50m they can jump in and offer him 6 yrs $50,000,001?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 6:14 AM EST up reply actions
I'm glad everyone could come to some kind of consensus.
I’m even more glad that it involved all-caps swearing.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
CUNT FLAPS NO
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
That's really a word that never needs to be used on the blog again.
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Dude is British...
Word is thrown around a bit more liberally over there… Still not the best choice of words.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I didn't ask for an apology or a rationalization.
It just doesn’t need to be posted anymore.
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aww shit
layin’ down the law!
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What about Miller Huggins?
He played for the Cardinals between 1910 to 1916. He got elected into the HOF in 1964. He was also the manager of the Cardinals from 1913 to 1917. But is better known as the manager for Ruth-Gehrig Yankees.
err just reread it and saw you had him
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well the only reason I brought up Miller Huggins is that
I have a baseball card of his. I got a Roger Honrsby also. I need to scan them.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, what's this, a threadjack?
I thought this was the Braves/Yankees trade threa……. oh, nevermind.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 22, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
rofl
look at how he holds the bat
better yet, just look at the bat!
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That's a mighty fine baseball club
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huge bat/choked all the way up
everybody did that, which is why the Dead Ball Era requires a serious downward grit adjustment before you compare its hitters to today’s Ecksteins.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 22, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now
THAT is how you choke up on a bat… I believe even Tom Emanski would approve of fundamentals like that.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
what blows my mind
is that Miller Huggins was a switch-hitter. HFS ©
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Oh Brother this is all we need
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
takes the heat off of freese for a bit at least
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don't mess with Canadians
one day we’ll find out he really does transform into a hawk
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
also left in too long, it seems.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
calls to the bullpen will never be the same
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the "No Roof Access" sign makes it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
f'in flim.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
i thought someone would give me shit
Because it is actually an Eagle
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Eagle with a capital E?
So you’re saying it’s Glen Frey? What.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
are you saying Glen Frey is Jayna from the Wonder Twins?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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needs moar love.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, the names of a bygone era
They just don’t dub them like they used to. So many Ashleys, Alexs, Ryans, Jacobs, Emilys, and Magnuses. Wait, maybe not the last one.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 22, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions
thank you
if i ever have a kid by accident, and it is a boy, his name is going to be Magnus Fucking K….
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
seems like
“Ryan” was the way to go 20-30 years ago.
If I’m still kickin’ 10-20 years from now and there’s a whole bunch of Alberts in the Bigs, we’ll know how that ridiculousity got started.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Another Joel Sherman Tweet
Yankees still insisting that they will be keeping payroll below 200m
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Their payroll was $226M last year before Luxury Tax which was an additional $26M
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
which means, if this guy is right and the Yankees are being honest about that, they will not be signing Holliday
They just couldn’t “afford” it.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
a $20M a year contract to Holliday would cost them $28M a year
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Remind me again
who Texeiria plays for?
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haha, man
you’re tickled by that luxury tax, eh?
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just posting facts
I think the Yankees would be willing to give up the money per year for Holliday but I don’t think they want to get committed for the years
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
nah, it's cool
i was just z-ing through the comments and it seemed like four of your posts in a row about the luxury tax,
def think you’re right. they don’t want holliday for a-rod money
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Well if the Yankees can get under the $170M for even one year
They would not be paying the rate of 40% luxury tax anymore. It would drop to 20% afterwards.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
wait
what does the payroll have to be to have no luxury tax?
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$170M
If you are above it for multiple years you get charged a higher rate
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
oh
you;re saying if they go under in ’10, and then back over in ’11 it will be 20% in ’11?
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I say they start an exponential growth model
Hilarity would ensue… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth for those of the non mathematically adept folks out there…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Ummm...WWL reported
that their payroll for next year sits at a lofty 204M already for next year and they don’t have a LF, apparently. And I actually do trust the WWL when it comes to the Yankees.
I am trying to convince SBNation to allow me to use scripts in Fanposts
I will finally be able to do sortable tables and my own Magic 8 ball posts.
I just can't make this up
“Mets Near Agreement With R.A. Dickey”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
who the who
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sounds like he writes sci-fi novels.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
He does.
But it’s under the pen name “Slider McFireballer”.
by arch support on Dec 22, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
no, that's for when he wants to write for Star Trek
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
with the mets' luck
he’ll throw a one hitter in his first start, at which point an errant knuckleball will blind david wright.
And no helmet, no matter how stupid looking,
can cure blindness.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
these...?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
just checking
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
oh well...
Herron, Webber, McCormick… We had six picks in the top 78, five busts and a hit.
MB for LF in 2010!
stocks in VEB spice jokes plummet
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
And to think some people thought he'd be a Rule V pick. . .
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
i never began to understand that. not sure why dgoold was fretting about that.
of all the people at risk of taking, hearne was the only one i could see caring about at all, and he’s pretty far down the depth chart. even he wasn’t worth protecting.
if anything, i think the cards were aggressive in protecting marginal guys like herron.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
something like that
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d'oh! tyler norrick, not herron.
it’s the tyler and the double "r"s that gets me.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
yeah, norrick is lost on me
didn’t he make sickels’ top 20 or something ridiculous? The guy might, just might, be a major league LOOGY if he can sort his location out. So, his absolute upside is, like, the least important role player on the roster?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
But the Cardinals don't really have any depth in this area
It’s probably a one year protection in case Reyes or Miller goes down. At that point they’re left to choose between Meyers and Norrick from AAA.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
but we have ole dude
rule v guy
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That's Meyer
(should have been singular in first post)
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
his name
is ben jukich
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that's t'other Rule V guy. they're both LH, but jukich is more a long man/swing man.
meyer is a loogy – kind of a norrick II.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
you think
meyer rates higher than jukich on the lefty depth chart?
serious question. i know little about either
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loogy depth chart*
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lefty depth chart, no.
loogy depth chart, yes.
jukich (mil career)
v. rhb: 3.70 FIP, k/9 7.39, bb/9 3.09 GB% – 55.9%
v. lhb: 4.53 FIP, k/9 6.88, bb/9 3.26 GB% – 47.1%
meyer
v. lhb: 3.22 FIP, k/9 10.65, bb/9, 4.38 bb/9, 53.2%
v. rhp: 4.19 FIP, k/9 8.40, bb/9 5.14, 44.4%
jukich has a not-nearly as pronounced platoon split and has been used consistently as a starter or long reliever. meyer hasn’t started a game in his mil career.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
in'resting
reverse split or did you type that wrong?
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no, i did it right (had to double check). he had an ordinary platoon split this year.
but not pronounced.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
If there is one term that I hope dies in 2010
it’s the “long man”. Tony has shown, unequivocally, that he does not want or intend to use a proverbial long man. Any interpretation that a reliever will be a long man flies in the face of 2009 and Brad Thompson.
There’s no reason to have three left handed pitchers in the pen. I think McClellan and Hawksworth are largely redundant not to mention if they then crown Jukich the “long man”.
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I can agree that I wish Tony would stop using a roster spot for the "long man".
But I certainly don’t wish that the term goes away. “Long Man” needs to be thrown around with abandon, in my opinion.
by arch support on Dec 23, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
preferably used in boastful self description
and suffixed by a comma and the word “baby”.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
O right
I’m assuming that the Cardinals aren’t going to have anywhere to stash him and will return him prior to the end of Spring Training.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I have small/medium T-shirts
and medium polo’s that are small looking. These are men sizes
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
no large?
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lots of larges and xl's
I am really surprised no one has bought a long sleeve shirt
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
how much do you want for them?
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large tshirt
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bet
email me and let me know what you need to know from me and how to pay you
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edit:
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
do you still have black on blue?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Check your email....
I will take some shirts off your hands. Also for everyone else, the Hoodie is nice.
* is an Asshat
alright
the black on red is cool, then
you should have my payment by now
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i have already printed a shipping label for you
Paypal should of sent you an receipt with the tracking number
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
yep
great
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How big is the XL?
I usually get XXL for more relaxed fit. Unless it’s a big XL
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
What's the asking price?
I’ve been meaning to get one from you….
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
i need a who’s who from left to right
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I don't know who they are anymore, but I know what they are
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ha
I’m wondering, where do the female VEB’ers live? Their fathers’ attics?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I was gonna go with something more crude
but yeah, that works
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
nice.
email me at ljtaylor27@gmail.com to tell me what I need to do.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I'd like one too
sending you an email now with specifics.
Thanks -
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
that's round about what i picture her looking like
only with blonde hair
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now i know someone else who's getting an ice pick in the kidney.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
not blonde, i guess
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i thought she said she was a reformed ginger
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no, i just don't think most women would find that young woman to be a complimentary comparison.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
but I would dare to say that any woman who attacks someone with an icepick
is nothing if not fiesty, no?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i just meant
small and relatively innocent looking
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just wear your kevlar long johns for a few days is all i'm saying.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
no way, you can clearly see she's all kinds of batcrap crazy
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Crazy and pretty are not mutually exclusive.
by arch support on Dec 23, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
i find
they generally have a positive correlation
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
stop getting me worked up
while i’m trying to work
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
generally
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think that should be a meme
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
you'll have to be correct more than once for this meme to take off.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I've been right at least twice this week
memes have been continued for less
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
incorrect
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I am sorry, but Aaron Harang is not a handsome man
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I think he meant that memes have NOT been continued for less.
Yadi2 knows his shit when it comes to memes.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
that was the point of the meme
incorrect again!
…was that what you meant by ‘meme’?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
all right, i'm going to intervene here
aaron harang is not a handsome man
aaron harang is a handsome man is a meme
mattyfrommo is not correct
mattyfrommo proposes a mattyfrommo is correct meme
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by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
prophetjohn is correct
so far
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
???
profit?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
oh fuck, is this math?
I was tricked!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you fell victim to one of the classic blunders
the most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia”-but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go against mattyfrommo or prophetjohn when a meme is on the line”! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
left hanging like Lowe again
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
does that make you Lowe-hanging fruit?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
if so
then that might be a meme.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
So you picture her
as an ice pick wielding psycho linebacker? I’m confused.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I don't know where you come from...
but in Albertofstan bestiality is frowned upon.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Dec 22, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yer All Just Jealous...
…’cause I got the magic hooves that the ladies just love…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
More on Holliday being a non-Yankee
The more people say its not happening, the more I think it might. But I bet Bor-ass is super-annoyed.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
If you look at the Teixeira signings last year
The Yankees were not even in it than the next day they signed him.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know, but was there this much publicity about how they WEREN'T going to sign him?
I remember it being more like no one was expecting it. I don’t remember a lot of media-types insisting the Yankees were out of the race.
If you think about it though, if the Yanks really wanted Holliday, this would be a good strategy to keep his cost down. If other teams think the Yanks are in it, they’re going to bid higher thinking they have to outbid the Yankees, thus, requiring the Yankees to bid more to get him. This way, they can get him for just over the “lowball” offers from the other teams.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
It would cost the Yankees probably $10M more a year to sign Holliday over us
That is with Luxury taxes and all. To me I would rather pocket that money and just reinvest it into international signings and the draft. If you are willing to overpay and overdraft you can restock a farm system quickly.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Boras on the SVP ESPN radio show
said he love smedia reports cause they are late and usually wrong(referring to the rumors on Tex) as he was "quote finalizing a deal with NYY. Until Holliday doesn’t end up a Yank I’ll believe thats where he ends up.
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
If you take Boras at his word...
Apparently Boras now thinks the Cardinals are in denial, and have no choice but to yield to his demand:
“It’s not a particular time. It’s about the club recognizing the benefit of having that player and how they’ll be dramatically impacted by the loss of that player. When that realization takes place, when there is recognition of the player’s place in the market,” Boras continued, “then you have an agreement.”
That also says no one else is bidding, and he’s waiting for the Cards to lose patience.
Stay strong, Mo.
BALLS OF STEEL, MO.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
HI MO, here's some light reading while you wait
I note, with pride, that the STL photo doesn’t look that disappointed. I mean, some guy is getting some souvenir dirt and this dude’s facepaint is itching. Is that lady with the big balls crying, maybe? Whatever, no one’s freaking out for the NY Post headline.
This is Albertofstan. We’re tougher than that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Lady with big balls?
Do I want to click on that link? Why yes, I do!…maybe
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
you always were the crazy brother
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he might be right, but we don't have to pay his price
bidding against ourselves is teh fail.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
always this damn vagueness
how about “Cardinals, we want more money. we’ll drag this out until you pay up”
boras should be slapped
overstatement, but funny.
RT @jonahkeri: To be fair to the #Braves, any time you can acquire dryer lint for one of the best SP in baseball, you gotta do it.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Quickest way to create a flash mob in the comments
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I loved the value coherent thought line
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
It's a weird trade IMO
probably quite complicated in how it was thrashed out, because to my mind League and Morrow are relatively similar commodities, one maybe having more ceiling but less immediate value than the other. Balancing all that out and getting a “win” out of the trade probably ain’t that easy, but I’ve been super impressed with Jack Z so far so I think it’s fair to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, I really, really like League. He took an absolute quantum leap forward (oh boy!) last year, and his HR/FB rate has been suspiciously high all his career – I wonder if a move to Safeco isn’t a perfect fit for him. If that HR/FB rate falls back down closer to league average, rather than League’s average, you’re looking at a genuine bullpen ace, even if his improved K-rate from 09 isn’t sustained.
Chavez, the OF they got back, doesn’t really look like much of a prospect, though. Maybe a C grade at the most.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
they can't even get a different given name
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a freakin minute...
Miller Huggins’ SLG was 83 points BELOW his OBP over 2400+ PAs? How in the hell did that happen? Did he have the best eye in the histroy of MLB or what the what?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
haha
why did goold use that pic of luddy?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
doubt he picked it
some vexed-type whipped it up without reading the AP captions or knowing much about the 09 Cardinals.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
i like drew's pick, too
he looks so pleased with himself
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Leave me out of this.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I am freestyle wrapping
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions
Does that mean you're putting it in a bag?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha
no… I am using no tags though. that seems a bit frivolous. just write on the paper. at least the paper has guidelines on the back this year. why they don’t do that on all xmas paper, I don’t know
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
i have heard
that putting it in a box doesn’t actually work
…oh, wait.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
everything is prepackaged that I bought
except for the painting I did
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
just wrapped
3 blue rays, 3 cigarette light powered heated ice scrapers, 2 dvds, 1 star trek scene it! board game, some toys for my niece, a painting, a graphic novel, cat calendar, and a bears stocking. now I just have to buy some groceries for my parents and I will be totally broke.
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
you missed the joke
but dude… that’s hardcore wrapping. you might even have street cred.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
where is duct tape?
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
yuletide cheer, yo
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I am playing vidya games
and realizing I get myself in too much trouble on these threads lately so I’m going to pull back on the reigns to keep from getting myself banned. It’s really only a matter of time til it happens at the rate I’m going.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Nothing in particular
I’ve just had a few boneheaded comments lately that are greasing those wheels.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Sorry misread what you had.
I’m an idiot. I blame it on hospital air.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
u rock man
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
you're not even close
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
calling you a no good asshat bag of ass with no good opinions because you're clearly and idiot
and meaning it
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 22, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
what's you comment/post ratio?
right about 1000 here.
wow, i’m bored
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
make up a meme
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
that's a high duty
not really in the correct “state of mind” to go through with it right now
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 22, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
disclaimer: VEB does not actually make up memes while in altered states of mind
before anyone gets ideas
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 22, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, WTF is that supposed to mean?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
okay who does what professionally here
(since we’re bored)
in case some of you actually kept their jobs in spite of doing this all day
I stab people with ice picks.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 22, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's more of a calling than a profession, really.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 22, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Some may even say a passion.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Of course not!
Why would I ever want to connect myself to my crimes?
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 23, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I recall what kind of business you own
one of those types of businesses where one can get rid of a body
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Only if you kept them around too long.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
No, I mean once we disposed of them it would smell.
I own a masonry business. Can’t just build a body into a wall without it smelling.
Now with extra feisty!
Already tried it eh?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
6 parts sand, 2 parts cement, 1 part guy who cut me off in traffic, 1 part lime.
mix well, 30 min.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Dec 23, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
add salt to glass, and remeber to give your keys to a friend
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I would think it would take a meat saw and an industrial strength blender.
That would take care of the smell problem
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
But it might compromise the structural integrity of my husband's work.
He wouldn’t go for it.
Now with extra feisty!
he has no problem with the ethics of it though, right?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
In this economy
it pays to be flexible.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
you lost me
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
That usually happens
I would explain, but I fear for my life if I do.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
chicken
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don't want to be
blogging from beyond the grave too.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
actually that's not entirely true
in a twist of fate, this also proves that ducttape is good for something.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I am good at telling people what they want to hear
Such as… not that’s not herpes… it’s just chaffing… you know stuff like that. I believe I’ve said too much.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I remembered the "entirely"
it is quite a useful fact, though.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
well if you ever do
don’t tell us about it
VEB wouldn’t last long in jail
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
They have internet in prison
We got guys on the inside
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't say 'last long without internet'
more like, last long without picking up the soap
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
spants would get caught?
there’d have to be a snitch
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Hiding
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh, for some reason I thought you had access to vast amounts of concrete
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
peach concrete?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
sounds amazing
funny because that’s also a user name of someone on this blog.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
That's where she got the name!
I think she’s in Arkansas, though. No Ted Drewes there. :(
Now with extra feisty!
sucks for her.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
nashville tennessee
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
do you contract out the footings? or do you take on projects that you lay on a bed of sand
or gravel?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
We haven't done any footings so far.
But he prefers concrete as the work lasts longer.
Now with extra feisty!
I should clarify.
He’s done a ton of footings. Just haven’t done any flat ground work since we started our business.
Now with extra feisty!
gotcha.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Have you managed to stay busy,
even with the slowdown?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but it's been too cold to use mortar.
It has to stay above freezing unless you’re able to heat the water, bricks and stones.
Now with extra feisty!
is there enough call for dry stone work?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Not really.
We’ve got work through April, and at least one more job on the horizon after that. Still doing bids, too. But the problem right now is the weather. We’re doing a stone chimney right now, but we can’t really do anything b/c of the temps and the rain. There’s only been like 3 days of decent weather since we started that job.
Now with extra feisty!
ugh.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Yep.
And there was a lot of rain in October. It’s been a very uneven year. Happy we have work, though. Just waiting for a good week to get this job done and move on.
Now with extra feisty!
Sounds like you had the same kind of year we did.
F’in weather screwed with me all summer.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Straight up farmboy.
So I understand weather being a bitch.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Wow guys.
I realize this is a slow day until RB blesses us with another 10000 word Yuletide masterpiece, but I really thought I would get at least one HeeHaw joke outtat that. Or possibly a stumpbroke cow joke, but gdm isn’t here yet.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I would not dare mock the salt of the earth
I’ve been told that farmer’s are the earth’s salt.
And I love salt.
We're going through a new avatar test phase here at mojowo11. Please be patient as we may try a variety of new ideas over the coming days and weeks.
I don't mind the mocking,
if I did I wouldn’t have said what I did. There are no jokes I haven’t heard.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not very funny today
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
looks like it's going to be wet the next couple days, then
cold.
here’s hoping for a good bid on a retaining wall or something.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
It's unbelievable the way the bids are going,
the company my mom works for does steel fabrication and they get underbid all the time and her boss says the winners can’t be making any money cuz his bid was almost breakeven.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
creeeeeeeeeeeeeeepy
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 22, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
stop it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
she's actually feisty
and one of the funniest women around.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
you just say that cuz you're scared of her
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 22, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
And you're faulting him for that strategy?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I did not say that
and her, not him
I, for one, am not afraid of spants.
Of course at this point I am almost welcoming death.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 22, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Right...
sorry TNT again as always I’m an idiot. And it’s been nice knowing you matty. If you can let us know what it’s like on the otherside.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
The blogging is coming from beyond the grave?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'm an accounting clerk
who makes just a teeny bit of extra money from doing art and music
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
sweet!
accounting people FTW
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
it's not a very glamorous job
but I get to wear headphones all day and it’s very predictable (which is nice when you are having a bad day, you won’t randomly have to stay late and schedule is pretty flexible for most of the month)
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
sounds fun
i’m studying to get my CPA
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I went to art school
and somehow I ended up doing that.
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
it's what happens when you go to art school.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
you can work for me in about five years
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
only if you pay me more than 50% of the money you make
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
that i make?
no. you can have a 50% raise off of what you make right now though.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
that'll work
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
In an ideal non winter world
I’m a civil engineer who works in the field doing inspection and such on roadway projects. I also make a little bit of money on the side promoting bands, and by that I mean dragging my friends to concerts with me and keeping an extra buck or two from when they pay me back for tickets.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Hey that reminds me
I left a comment in another thread for you.
If you’re still interested in jobs in Denver… I’m happy to help.
I talked to a couple of people about opportunities. They just wanted to know what kind of organization you want to work for – gov’t, consulting, etc. If you want to shoot me a note (ttiuschhoff at gmail dot com) – I could forward your resume along or whatever.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
I'm a condom tester
it’s not as glamourous as it sounds
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 22, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Better than javelin catcher I'd guess...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I've got your comma right here
,
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
nope
I put them on mechanical thingies. Then after awhile I take them off.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
nope
as in funnels that fill them with water to see if they will leak.
see, not glamourous at all
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 22, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
So does that happen
for everyone that comes off the line or just random ones for QC/QA?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
random ones
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
oh no
that’s a marilyn manson album
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
huh huh huh
you said thingies
/beavis and butthead
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Thingy is one of my favorite bands
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Never heard of them.
May have to try some youtube recon on them.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qIqtdBSdc
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
this one is more rockin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3mGRVh0dAw
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Were those clips or the whole song?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
their songs are very succinct
so one of their albums will have like 25 songs on it and still be a short album
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I see.
It’s interesting to hear short emo songs. Used to hearing punk songs of that length.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
btw
rob crow is the only person associated with emo that I like. but I like all of his projects, he usually has pretty unique ideas for song structures, lyrics, etc
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
also
I couldn’t find any of the more noisy songs they wrote on youtube, and none from their first album ‘songs about angels, evil, and running around on fire’ which is their best one
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure I can find it one way or another on the webernets
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it's one of my desert island albums
another band of his, heavy vegetable, writes songs about star wars, wesley willis, jackie chan, and all kinds of fun stuff. it’s basically more punk and less prog than thingy. then he went on to form the more popular band pinback
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
The humor
of songs about Wesley Willis is immense… Those are either awesome or awful. I can’t see any other option.
One under the radar guy I really like is John Hiatt… really really good stuff.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it's both
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtgYvUpto4M
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
it really is mindblowing. btw, I watched the documentary about wesley willis the other day, dude used to walk around town with like thousands of dollars in his pockets just from being out selling marker drawings and cds from his discography. he was one creative dude
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't he schizophrenic?
Or do I have bad information?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
he was
but he had that under control pretty well, he ended up dying of leukemia I think because he would stop taking his meds on the road
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
i am a clinical geneticist
on the molecular side.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm the Exec Director
of a non-profit in Denver – working on health care policy specifically.
(so thankful that this is a non—politics blog. it’s the one place i don’t have to talk about hc reform)
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
Yep
You gotta hang your affiliations up at the door. Kinda nice.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
How is that?
Like is the work fulfilling? Are your co-workers generally unlike Ryan Braun. I’m a poly sci major, and I basically want to do stuff like this when I graduate, but I’m kinda worried about what working in politics is going to be like.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 23, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
The work is fantastic - the fundraising part sucks
I love what I do . The people I get to work with for the most part are passionate about making things better for everyone. They’re hard-working, generally underpaid, and often brilliant (especially the ones that work for me).
My organization doesn’t lobby (yet) for specific legislation, so we get to sort of stay above the “politics” fray. I used to be a lobbyist for a big insurance company, and before that ran political campaigns. I’ve seen the side of politics you’re talking about.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
That's really great to hear.
It seems like a lot of the smarter people in my major are douches. I wanted to get in to politics, so I could help. I know that sounds ridiculous to most people. But I’ve always been passionate about politics, so it kinda just made sense to me. So seriously thank you.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 23, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm happy there are people like you
who want to to get into politics to offset people like me who are completely apathetic about the whole thing… this division of labor stuff is great.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
It doesn't sound ridiculous to me at all.
I found my way into policy/non-profit work through my volunteer stuff. I wanted to make a difference… some how it turned into a real job.
I have a masters degree in IT – so I could be making lots more money somewhere (I would hope). But this is pretty fulfilling work (now I just need to raise another $200k so I can keep the job for another year or so). The key is to work where you believe in the mission (or politics) of the organization. Then it seems to be more about the work.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
I used to do similar work
I worked for an Environmental lobbying group. I worked mostly on the fund raising side of things. I was younger and more naive at the time. I eventually got tired and disillusioned by the political machine.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
there's always
craigslist ads to basically panhandle for greenpeace and stuff. almost did it when i couldn’t find a job last year. would’ve been awful, whether i believe in the cause or not
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
It is awful
You have to go door to door asking for money. Where you get a percentage of the money you get. It is a commission job.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well I sure hope I can find the right situation.
I’m filling out applications for internships for senators and representatives in Washington this summer. But the thing is there is probably something major policy for every one of them that I would strongly differ on, so I’m not sure what I’m going to do. Do you know of any good organizations that focus on one policy that would do internships for a college sophomore?
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 23, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
if it's something you're really interested in
it’s probably worth it to work for someone that you have policy disagreements with just to get your foot in the door
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Yeah I know. That's what I've resigned myself to doing.
I figured interning in Washington would be the best route, but if there was something better I would love to do that. My advisor is worthless, so I can’t rely on him for any advice.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 23, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
a good start to find one
think about who you would be willing to give money to. what causes do you care about? environment, civil rights, education? start there, look for an org that has an office or HQ in DC, if you want to work there.
i worked for an org that i had major policy disagreements with (they said they were bi-partisan, and they weren’t). i only lasted 4 months. it felt like i’d sold my soul… literally. for cash. and health insurance. it’s an awful place to find yourself. don’t compromise your values.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
3000?!
what kind of company is it?
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
you kidding me?
i work for a communications company with about 800 employees and we don’t have anywhere near 3000 wan connections
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I don't have a good grasp of what constitutes
a “small” “mid” or large company. I’ve worked for a company with 400,000+ employees that maintained part of the North American internet network core and now I work for a company with ~10,000 employees. 3000 wan connections isn’t insignificant but, depending on the network construction, it may not be that many actual machines.
(Evilfrog, not trying to downplay your job. Network engineers are completely under appreciated.)
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I'm in the networking gig also
Technical manager for an Ohio cable company. 115k cable modem subscriber and around 1100 frame and ethernet customers. 3000 WAN connections is a lot.
by Buckeye Redbird on Dec 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Alright
maybe I’m misinterpreting the network engineer speak (since I’m not actually a network engineer). 3000 WAN connections = 3000 external facing IPs? = 3000 servers? Someone translate what you mean by connections.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
i read it as
3000 external IPs
i guess relative to your .5 mil employee company, that’s pretty small. a small business to me is lik <10 employees, though
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
well
it’s a pretty subjective term
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
There is a gov’t definition, but I don’t know what it is or care to look it up.
Now with extra feisty!
it is pretty much you have to under 1000 employees
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
oh, wow
well, i was going off my own definition. i could probably up to 50. but much over that is a mid-size to me
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
3000 WAN IPs
could be a LAN or part of a LAN
but “3000 WAN connections” reads to me as 3000 external IPs
‘course i’m pretty nub compared to you degree holding network engineers
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking he worked at an independent DSL company
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
that would make sense, too
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
you must hate me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
A company that has 3 different brands of retail locations
Located through out the US, Canada, Puerto Rico, and Mexico. Each retail location consists of 3-12 PCs on their own LAN. Each Retail location has a WAN connection back to the Home office here in St. Louis as well as another Branch we have in Charlotte. We also have a Branch offices in Canada and Mexico. Though I am not responsible for maintaining them. Just from the ones from the retail location to St. Louis and Charlotte.
I really isn’t as nice as it sounds. It’s a lot of calling retail locations and telling them to reboot their DSL modem and router. And then calling providers to set up tech appointments.
I'm a translator, mostly
… corporatespeak into English. But I’m constantly thwarted by the corporatespeakers, who pay the bills.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
I'm a friend and servant to the Tenenbaum Family.
by Mister Eff on Dec 23, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
THAT'S THE LAST TIME YOU PUT A KNIFE IN ME
by Mister Eff on Dec 23, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
don't you use that as justification, kid!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 23, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Do you live in Northern California?
I just wondered, since this is a link to a Sacramento TV station.
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Dec 23, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what to think of this
There are actually members of VEB cheating on us over at the MLBTR forums? Sad day, Sad day.
I need to not be so bored. I just started a 19 day weekend.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Is there a reason
you’re not drinking yourself into Bolivian?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I want beer
eggnog will have to suffice
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 23, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
So long as
it’s heavy on the nog, and light on the egg.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
give me time
I am trying, but I have only made it as far as Ecuador
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
well that's just wrong
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I know!
I recognize a lot of names, I am still keeping my eye out for a variation of gdm.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I am too lazy to go back and check
actually the conversations in those forums seem much more intelligent than I would expect after some of the comments I have read there over the years.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Dec 23, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Bleh
It’s 2nd after VEB! I Swearz it!
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
your albertofstan citizenship
is hereby REVOKED.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
you're not even in America
you can’t revoke nuffin
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
no I'm in albertofstan!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
dont worry that will never happen
i don’t frequent places run by those type of people
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
alright, i need some computer help
i’ve googled & googled & it’s gotten me bupkis.
my freaking dell laptop screen is barely staying up now. (insert TWSS or viagra joke here) it’s getting so bad that if you tip it towards you it will slam shut. do any of you out there know how i can fix this? preferably free or on the cheap since i’m a mommy basement dweller.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
get another one
or hook it up to a monitor. Screen replacements are not worth it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
can't afford a new laptop right now, maybe when the season starts i can, but not now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
well my mine was doing something similar
So I just added some glues and screws to my laptop to hold it together.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
i'm not allowed to use with glue anymore
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
some how, i'm way more dangerous that way
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
slowly walks away from sub-thread
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
you're going to have to start running here pretty soon
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
okay, i have to ask
what the hell did you glue to get to where you are banned from using glue?
does this story involve sensitive body parts? cuz that would explain A LOT
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
zippers were involved along with super gorilla glue & a lighter
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The possibilities are endless with those two things.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 23, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
so is the pain my friend
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
thanks dude i saw that earlier. i assumed i probably needs new hinges. hope it's a simple fix
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Any local repair shop
can probably do it for a $40 or $50 or so.
A local guy does the ones we use for work for about that, and they’re Dell Inspirons
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
mine's a e1505, just got a cheep one to surf down here
i don’t really want to replace it, so i’m going to make some calls tomorrow & see how much this will cost me. thanks for the info everyone
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so if you were naming your kid
to be a baseball great
but you decided to go with the “making up a unique Y- name” instead of (like Doc Halladay) “naming them Braden or Ryan” route
what would you choose?
[considering Yalberto]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yorvit is almost cool but the spelling bugs me
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
or if they don't break his arm before he gets here
“Yu” has a nice quality to it, imo.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
just for the record
(I figure this has been blogged by the family so it’s fair game)
Yadi did name his kid Yanuell.
it’s the future, I tell you.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Happy Festivus VEB, i hope RB's late afternoon posts address's this blessed day
i guess we can start the airing of grievances then
and fang, get your date off the pole! this isn’t pops damnit.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
quick, hide the puddin pops!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
thats what she said
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
f'in storm
keeping me up
all these comments are either awkward or pictures or awkward pictures
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
stupid missouri
it’s going to be snowing on my drive from lambert =/
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i mean bergstrom
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
no wait
i do mean lambert
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
and 24!
that’s practically antarctica!
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
[there is no-one else here…..]
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
that's like -10 in british weather
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
It's been f'ing freezing here the last week or so
below zero (celcius, I’m guessing in the 20’s, pushing down into the teens in F) every day, all day, for a week.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
that’s so cold. i’ve gotten spoiled the last couple winters. rarely gets below 40 here. (so like 5 or so celsius)
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
and yeah
i’m talking to myself. i’m okay with that
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
that's till pretty cold
when it’s low-70s here
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Where is here again?
Cause it sounds like a place I’d very much like to be.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
austin
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Right...
I still stand by my statement I hear it’s a great place to live.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it is pretty cool
summers kinda suck, though
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by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not at Lambert though.
Because it’s only supposed to rain here in St. Louis, last I checked.
If it changed, you have made my week.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
santa to the braves?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/braves-close-to-deal-with-troy-glaus.html
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Santa has a home in time for Christmas
How appropriate.
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wow
some of the Braves fans commenting on that post clearly didn’t see much of Glaus last year. They’re basically all predicting him for comeback POY, 20-30 HR and 100 RBIs. Bit of a stretch I’d have thought.
This looks like a good fit for both parties. I’ll be interested to see how he gets on next year.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
he'd be a nice bounce back candidate
i’d like to give him a shot if we had a place for him
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
shit
We didn’t see much of Glaus last year
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
That movie is awesome
Now matter how weird Angelina Jolie looks.
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
looks like they've updated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Ryan_%28baseball%29
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He was born just 17 days after me!
Clearly it’s meant to be.
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you're terribly behind on your stalking, for someone with your username
it’s on my list of things-to-update, but have you checked the Boog Sampler?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
andi_k is far more consistent than I am with those updates
so props to her
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
i like how his only cited reference is from American Mustache Institute
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 23, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
it's bizarre because I swear there was more there before.
a non-family member may have gone through and wiki-nazi’d it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
or worse, it was a family member
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
oh, damn so distracted... I meant to say
Boog can pitch!
it’s on now
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I've actually written some of Boog's wikipedia page.
And no, it isn’t the mustache bit. Strange but true.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 23, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
can you go back in and correct the ... commas
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 23, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
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