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durability and long contracts

i have an unscientific interest today. 

quite frankly, when somebody starts throwing around eight-year contract figures (however reliable that number may or may not be) i start getting worried. placing bets on how someone will fare in seven or eight years is intimidating to me. 

i have to say, a much better look at this issue was done earlier in the week at our sister SBN site, beyond the boxscore, by periodic contributor steve sommer, who may be known to you for his work at "play a hard nine." my one lingering concern is that slopes, curves, and averages tend to iron out the ups and downs of season by season play - which is what they're supposed to do. still, those ironed-out curves may conceal a two-year period of futility for one player, a nagging injury for another. 

to provide a drastic example - maybe an unfair one - chris carpenter has been worth, on average, 3.7 wins above replacement over the period 2005 to 2009. he had three seasons where he was worth 5 wins or more and two where he barely pitched at all.

i just have a nagging concern in my head about the possibility that we sign matt holliday to a lengthy contract and by may 1st he gets a sports hernia or a shoulder injury that leaves him semi-productive for the next 3+ seasons.  maybe it's irrational. maybe it's just being risk-averse.

we could keep trying to sign guys to short-term contracts; that would probably mean missing out on the top tier of talent, barring that which we develop from our farm. it would also bear its own risks - a player signed to a short-term contract is just as likely to get injured in any given year as a player signed to a long-term one. while you can then get rid of the injured player on a short-term contract, you also then must face the FA market or the trade market again to fill that hole with a new player, who may also get injured. the advantage of the short-term contract is that you won't be stuck with any one injury for a long period of time.

i decided to take advantage of one of the more interesting devices on the many baseball stat sites - the "similar player" feature on baseball-reference.com. honestly, i have no idea what the criteria are for saying that a player is "similar" to another. b-r didn't point me at any left-handed relievers, at least. however, even if there's no reliability to the "similar" player comps, even if these guys are just randomly selected individuals who at one time were also 29, i think that taking a quick look at them provides an interesting snapshot of what happens to any given ballplayer. 

i had done a similar exercise at the time of the polanco and figgins trades because i had concerns about their skill sets surviving past their early thirties. suffice to say, the comps provided by b-r were not very inspiring. a lot of comparable guys didn't make it through a three or four year period without missing a full season, leaving baseball, or suffering a pretty awful offensive decline.

Star-divide

i submit then, the following top 5 comps to Matt Holliday, courtesy of b-r.com.

two caveats:

first, some of the players (the first two, specifically) come from very different eras, including different medical eras. a career ending injury in 1940 might not be one now. you should take all these comps with a grain of salt, since none of them are necessarily similar to Matt Holliday beyond having been 29 once and playing professional baseball. you might take the older

second, no year-by-year defensive value is calculated, just a look at basic offensive stats.

Wally Berger

G

PA

BA

OBP

SLG

Age 30

133

347

.288

.361

.483

Age 31

89

347

.285

.354

.532

Age 32

115

472

.298

.347

.478

Age 33

97

374

.258

.341

.438

Age 34

22

47

.302

.362

.419

By age 35 (1941), Wally Berger was out of baseball.

Chick Hafey

G

PA

BA

OBP

SLG

Age 30

144

612

.303

.351

.421

Age 31

140

596

.293

.359

.471

Age 32

15

66

339

.400

.525

Age 33

0

0

0

0

0

Age 34

89

284

.261

.324

.447

Chick Hafey left baseball after his age 34 season in 1937.

Lance Berkman

G

PA

BA

OBP

SLG

Age 30

152

646

.315

.420

.621

Age 31

153

668

.278

.386

.510

Age 32

159

665

.312

.420

.567

Age 33

136

562

.274

.399

.509

Lance Berkman plays baseball actively and will begin his age 34 season in the spring.

Magglio Ordonez

G

PA

BA

OBP

SLG

Age 30

52

222

.292

.351

.485

Age 31

82

343

.302

.359

.436

Age 32

155

646

.298

.350

.477

Age 33

157

678

.363

.434

.595

Age 34

146

623

.317

.376

.494

Age 35

131

518

.310

.376

.428

Magglio Ordonez will enter his age 36 season in the spring.

Dave Parker

G

PA

BA

OBP

SLG

Age 30

67

254

.258

.287

.454

Age 31

73

270

.270

.330

.447

Age 32

144

586

.279

.311

.411

Age 33

156

655

.285

.328

.410

Age 34

160

694

.312

.365

.551

Age 35

162

700

.273

.330

.477

Age 36

153

647

253

.311

.433

Age 37

101

411

.257

.314

.406

 

two players from a different era who didn't make it into their late 30's in baseball. two current players who are still playing at a reasonably high level. berkman's overall value has run at almost 5 WAR per year over 4 years; ordonez is more like 3 WAR/yr over the last six years - though that is heavily affected by one season in which ordonez was worth 8.8 WAR. last comes one player from the 70's and 80's who played well past age 37 - parker finally retired at age 40 in 1991 - but whose offensive skills diminished to a steady but unimpressive .700+ OPS in his 30's - except for one red letter year.

we get spoiled, i think, by having one marquee player who produces like clockwork (who is, not coincidentally, still in his late 20's) and a bunch of role players who float in and out - we don't often see the long-term aging process (or just the vicissitudes of an eight-year span of baseball life). the other recent long-term commitments of the club have ended badly, with rolen departing injured for toronto and jim edmonds traded to san diego, with enough in him for a single last hurrah in chicago.

i don't mean to quarrel with the projections provided. i don't claim that this is more than a collection of snapshots of other players at a similar age. i just mean to point out that smoothed out into a neat curve is a real possibility that holliday ends up either seriously injured or suddenly ineffective. should that happen sooner rather than later, the effects of carrying a gigantic dud of a contract for five, six, seven years could be truly disastrous for the club. 

as i said, i am probably more risk-averse than the next fellow. i know that fear of a long contract gone bad is no reason to avoid them absolutely. if i were pushed, i'd say an eight-year deal could make sense. i'd just note that there's a reason why a contract longer in years should have a substantial discount in terms of AAV built in. 

* * *

a quick round-up of recent news items:

ex-cardinals sign minor league deals aplenty - barden to the fish, barton to the dodgers, and thurston to the braves.

milton bradley finally gets swapped for human albatross carlos silva (and a net of $6M to the cubs). now the cubs are finally free to sign . . . who exactly? the difference is that the mariners came out of the deal with slightly less money but with a player almost sure to produce, while the cubs have a replacement level pitcher who is a slightly nicer guy. win-win? 

garrett atkins gets signed by the o's, thereby preventing the cards from signing a not particularly good 3b.

in a news item that got little play, jaron madison, asst. scouting director here in the STL, got picked to be the new scouting director in san diego. i have to think that shows that the cards' scouting and minor league staff are well thought of.

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shouldn't there be a * next to fat elvis because he plays here?

®™ ©

if people throw a player’s numbers out the window who plays at coors canaveral, shouldn’t they do it for that fun house as well? some still don’t think Lego can do as well as he did away from coors & point to his few months in the bay area as proof. i’m not saying they are right, i’m just asking, can we really use fat elvis as a trustworthy comp for Lego?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 6:37 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

carnival, dude

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

i was going to say amusement park, but fun house sounded better in my head

carnival’s freak me out dude. they are f’ing creepy.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 6:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I want some fucking funnel cake.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

i love fair food, but i'm still staying away from carnival's man

sooooo creepy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunatley

Burger King has your arteries in mind, they have funnel cake sticks now they got powered sugar too, not too bad. The icing is monster sugar, and really doesnt fit the funnel cake thing. Best case, find the circus or fair for the real thing.

Go Broncos!!

by from First to Third on Dec 19, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless he means to call Coors a launching pad,

then canaveral would fit.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

that's how I read it,

and I thought it was pretty clever.

by Cardaholic on Dec 19, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

that's exactly what i meant

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

funnel cake

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

creepy carney workers & creepier clowns

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That field is ridiculous.

And not in the Albert way.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes we can.

Berkman home career: 972 OPS
Berkman away career: 962 OPS

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=berkmla01&year=Career&t=b#hmvis

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He's just a damn good hitter. Period.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 19, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you will get an argument on that.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well . . .

He’s a damn good hitter in even-numbered years. He’s a good hitter in odd-numbered years. He should have a pretty solid 2010 if the trend continues.

by Cardaholic on Dec 19, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

damn your numbers & facts

when will i learn to just STFU?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

comps

I think it is a useful exercise. I don’t know much about hafey or berger other than their names. I think you would have to look at fitness and type of skills that you are buying. Berkman looks like the type of player who wouldn’t weather well and while I like him more than Holliday, I think I’d rather give holliday 8 years at age 29 than Berkman. Parker was a beast in his prime. If he were on market today in his prime he certainly would get a big contract and he had that great arm from rightfield. Not hard to see how a big guy like that might not have some knee problems later on.

Holliday seems super-fit. I think his skills hold up if he stays healthy, but I’d like to know a lot more about his overall health before signing up for 8 years. Be interesting to see top 100 comps and see what type of 5 and 8 year WAR the average group generated over time. Looks like only Berkman has held up and he had a subpar 2009.

Having said that, I’d rather take the plunge on holliday than a pitcher like Lackey — seems like you get more certainty with position players.

Finally, I’d still rather give him $20+ for next year or two when his WAR will be high and have his backend salary be closer to his value.

Just win

by The Duke on Dec 19, 2009 7:51 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Parker was one of my fav players when I was young.

 I agree on the frontloaded contract. Pay him like a 4-5 WAR player while he is one and then his regression years won’t seem quite so bad, unless he falls off a cliff.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

but then

you’re paying more over the life of the contract

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

start with an NPV neutral position.

that is, we are going to pay you an NPV of $85 million regardless of loading, then determine the yearly splits such that you get back to 85 in total.

Just win

by The Duke on Dec 19, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep,

That is the best that I can see to do it. 8/128 = years 1-2 20m, 3-4 18m, 5-6 14m,7-8 12m. I would rather the last two be option years as a failsafe.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that we should pay him that much, but prolly wil.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we can really put that much stock in what players look like.

The fact is, Berkman would be one of the best outcomes we could hope for from a Holliday contract.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Position Matters

What about position? 1B and 3B seem to weather better than OF players I would think. Berkman is not getting bagged in the OF annually.

SD

by Gibby45 on Dec 19, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You're forgetting

that Berkman was a centerfielder until just a couple of years ago, when he got a little to fat to run around out there anymore.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 19, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Chick Hafey

may be the greatest hitter in baseball history. He accumulated a lifetime OPS of .898 despite a degenerative eye condition which forced him to rotate several pairs of eyeglasses as his vision would vary from day to day. On bad days, he was well below the level considered legally blind without corrective lenses.

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Dec 19, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

if he stays healthy

i think the reality is, he will get hurt in the next 8 years
how bad?
how often?

it is inevitable, so any long term deal, e.g., 8 years, has to be at a lower dollar aav in order to make any sense economically or baseball-wise

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Dec 19, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly

im not sure if you can use performance stats to draw comparable players, and then use them to talk about these guys’ future health. seems like apples and oranges to me.
lego has only ever hit the dl (in the majors) bc of a broken pinky in 05 and a 15 day trip due to a strained hammy in 08. i had never heard his injury history, and this doesn’t sound ominous at all. not that im saying “what’s the worry?”. shit happens, especially over 8 years (5 would be nice!). but there isnt reason to expect it. but alberts got a lot longer of an injury history, and we’re all lining up to extend him for life, bc of his upside. there is a difference between the best hitter in the game, but hollidays no slouch (telling everyone what they already know, sorry)

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Dec 20, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Comparing Holliday...

to guys from the 1930s really isn’t useful. Guys age much better than they did in the past. It’s not a coincidence that Berkman and Ordonez are performing at a high level at an age where Hafey and Berger were out of baseball. See page 7 of this study: http://www.tangotiger.net/mgl/aging.pdf

Also, Holliday is a good candidate for a gradual decline. He’s athletic and he just has a ton of innate ability. This is far more important than any other concern. He’s flat out talented and he’s not going to lose that.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think it's the era or the numbers

It’s their expiration date, essentially. And you can find guys that dropped off in their early to mid 30’s in any era. The big difference is that the guys from the 30’s didn’t take up 20% of their payroll all by their lonesome. Look at the albatross that the Soriano contract has become for the Cubs, or the Lee contract is for the Astros.

I would be less leery about this deal if the contract expired when Holliday was 34, not 38. There’s no way his production won’t drop, and in later years it could really hurt the club.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by Ted Glover on Dec 19, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't you think it's the era?

MGL examined how players performed as they aged, then compared those from an earlier era to those that have played recently. He found that players from the current era age better. You don’t accept these findings? Why not?

Bill James and others have found repeatedly that the initial talent level of the player is more important than age in determining future value. Soriano and Lee never were as talented or as a good as Matt, and in fact both have performed as well if not better than what might have been predicted when they signed. Their contracts were bad because the moment they signed, the reasonable best-case scenario did not have them earning their contracts. If Holliday signs a 6/108, the best-case scenario is that he’ll exceed that in terms of value.

Also, it’s important to be precise. An eight-year deal does not appear to be in his future. If he gets a six year deal, it will take him through his age 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, and 35 season. Right now, the Cards have offered a five year deal, which does what you said you’d be less leery about.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

eh...

Soriano had a bum knee last summer, so he had arthroscopic surgery and will be ready to go by ST.

Chuck Hafey had a bum knee back in 1936. He went home, drank some bourbon, and started a new career as a pipe fitter. There’s your difference.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Or, Barry bonds and Roger Clemens

become the greatest hitter and pitcher in history during a time frame when most players decline.

by Mister Eff on Dec 19, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It's an element...

but there are many other factors. We’re not even proposing to lock him up past age 35.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

I just think we’re going to see players actually age (more) regularly again (brutal sentence so far!) and think the last 10-15 years will be a bit of an aberration. Unless you’re Chris Carpenter, then you’ll be throwing 110 mph as a double amputee at the age of 84.

by Mister Eff on Dec 19, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

what are you suggesting of carp?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

dude is hurt for two years and comes back and dominates with a 2 seam harder than his old 4seam

i’ll give hime the benfit of the doubt, though

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

anger is the new PED?

Looks like I have a future as a MLBer after all.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

gdm should have that market cornered

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 19, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

look out cooperstown here i come!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not that I discount the research

I just think the fact that giving that kind of money to a player who will be in his late 30’s at the end of the contract is a huge risk-reward. Even if he does play better, it’s doubtful that Holliday will be putting up these kind of numbers in 8 years, and as you age injury risk becomes more of a factor.

Now if it turns out to be a five year deal, sign him, I’m on board. But if you look at those two contracts that I mentioned earlier, plus a Johan Santana contract, no way do I want that affecting decisions on the makeup of the roster.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by Ted Glover on Dec 19, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree . . . era absolutely matters

Think of a guy like Tony Oliva. He was an insanely good hitter who fell off the shelf at age 32 (and then struggled through 4 mediocre years) because of knee injuries that would have been entirely fixable today. We’re talking the difference between a good hitter and a hall of famer simply because of the era of sports/money/modern medicine.

Something could certainly happen to Holliday before he hits 35, but age 35 isn’t what it used to be. He’s not an NFL running back, after all.

by Cardaholic on Dec 19, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it either.

Matt isn’t even a pitcher. His ERA is 0.00. And it isn’t like he is Aaron Miles or anything. I doubt we’ll ever see him take the mound.

Anyway, people now understand fitness a lot better than they did even 30 years ago. Players have the superior knowledge and better tools to keep their bodies in shape longer.

by Evilfrog on Dec 19, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

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"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

btw my first practice somebody was wearing a VEB che-bird shirt.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that you

being interviewed in the clip?

by cardsgirl95 on Dec 19, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

negative. that's the head dude...so far there's 24ish founding memebers

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

speaking of, I never got my hoodie...

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

cool.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

well

obviously he wasn’t near his computer

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I know it hasn't seemed to affect The Mang, because he was raised in the Cardinals'

amazing pie system, but maybe Berkman would be a good comp for someone the size of Holliday but not accustomed yet to the temptress of our homemade pies. Especially since Holliday has the ever present excuse that he can’t diet during Holliday season.

by ADMDrayson on Dec 19, 2009 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

People need to stop commenting in the Star Wars thread

I go through the trouble of making a new account to try and make it all green ( cept for those damn sprouts, ugh), and the monk and cgirly have to ruin it all.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

I know....

I keep doing my part.
Although her comment did crack me up.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Dec 19, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What the heck was going on there?

I just want someone to explain it to me.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

you need to read yesterdays thread to figure it out

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The 800 comment thread.

There’s no way I’m reading all of that.
Okay fine later. I’ll skim and see what’s going on.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a fun read, go nuts

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Y'all are weird.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

this is what happens when the opposite sex hates you

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait til the baron's newest story makes it to cgirly's inbox

it will either finally make her one of us, or send her running back to the Indians blog for comfort

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

O M G

that was awesome! i can’t stop laughing!

but please don’t send it to cgirly, she’ll never talk to us again

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron really does need to put some of this stuff in book form

i see no way that it would not be a best seller

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd buy that book

and copies of it for some of my older friends. they’d love it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang it,

I never saw it. Heard it was awesome.

by ArkansasTravs on Dec 19, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope it doesn't.

But then there’s a small part of me that wants to see this story. But I think I can live without it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

tomatoes & sex don't mix. that's all i'll tell you

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I was there as it was happening

and couldn’t exactly figure out what they were doing.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 19, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i had nothing to do with it until this morning

Like i said in some other thread, I am against what they did on pronciple. My OCD just forced me to help make the whole damn thing green.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

you realize they'll just use your OCD against you

[goes back to handwritten notes on the glossary]
….aw, crap!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you should go back and fix it

because not every comment has 6 recs. Some have 7. OCD dictates they should all have 7.

Get on it.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Dec 21, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If that brusells sprout

picture is green….Ima be pissed.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Dec 21, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have enough accounts to even em out

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 22, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

damnit Y2S

people need to STOP commenting in that thread!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I told you not to waste your recs.

if I’m not the boss of ya, yer not the boss of me

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I rec'd the sprouts,

for the sheer audacity of the picture.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I helped (a little)

I recc’d two, brought them up to 5 and 4, and didn’t make a comment.

by ArkansasTravs on Dec 19, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahaha...sometimes reading BCB just brightens my day

on why the Cardinals success last year was improbable and no way indicative of the Cubs’ ability to compete with them this year:

[Cubs were very unlucky…] Meanwhile Carpenter stays healthy and he and Wainwright contend for the Cy Young, Ryan Franklin and Joel Pineiro have the best seasons of their career while Matt Holliday has one of the most best second halfs of the decade

….and the comment is green

by mattyp on Dec 19, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

doesn't take much to make stuff green

over there

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it pretty much confirms

that most of those people doing all the rec’ing late last night really do spend way too much of their friday nights in their mom’s basements.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

....heeeeyyyyyy

we at least have some standards around here. What is it, 6 recs here. Or did we change it to seven. It takes 3 over there.

by mattyp on Dec 19, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Royals Review only takes 1 or 2

or at least it used to

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

...cause that's half of the entire royals fanbase...

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

true

getting three cubs fans to agree with each other is a minor miracle.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah,

just ask them who ruined Mark Prior.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing we fail to remember sometimes

is that any long term deal is insured against catastrophic or career-ending injury, which is why physicals are usually required. If Holliday were to get hurt in the midst of an 8 year contract, the Cardinals wouldn’t be able to recoup their entire investment, but they’d probably get back at least a third of it, and probably more than that.

The real issue for me is whether he projects to be a 3-4 WAR player at the end of that contract. This is what Sommer was attempting to point out, and he had curves that adjust for injury in his analysis. Obviously, we can’t predict a catastrophic or career ending injury, but we shouldn’t have to, for the reasons posted above. I get your point tom, but Sommer’s analysis, while looking like a nice “smooth curve”, attempts to show you the break even point of an 8Y$128M contract assuming a standard aging curve. It attempts to take the “what-if” analysis that you’re doing in this post and even it out or factor it out completely so we can look and see the probability that Holliday will be worth a contract of that length.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 19, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

except I have learned not to trust the Cardinals medical staff.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yawn.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This is tired....

Chris Carpenter was pretty good last year, wasn’t he? Albert Pujols seems to be doing ok, right?

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 19, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Wagner Mateo. Mark DeRosa. the numerous guys hiding their injuries.

as much as I think it’s improved, it’s not a great track record.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand you're saying that's how it should be

but that’s not how it is. over and over again. the money may be insured, but the money is demonstrably of no use to anyone if the staff (and/or how the Cards use the staff) have yet to prove themselves as reliable.

and with Albert, of all people, still going ahead and playing through pain, what, six, seven years after the initial injury, that’s not a sterling counterexample.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Mateo?

We found his injury when they made him take a phyiscal. I don’t know how that could be a a negative on the medical stuffs track record.

If they didn’t find it and it came out after we gave him millions than we could go complain about the Cardinal’s Medical staff.

by Evilfrog on Dec 19, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

if it was a true success story

they would have been able to give him new eyes

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

oh i feel it

coming back again

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Dec 20, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Is

this what you were fishing for?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

FWIW: Standard Aging Curve

We’ve really only looked at the pessimistic side of this. What about the optimistic side? Holliday is a workout fanatic who is consistently looking to get better both as a baseball player and in his overall fitness. Who’s to say that his odds of aging better than the average player aren’t good? He’s certainly in better physical condition than Berkman, Ordonez, and Parker were at his respective age, so I think you have to take that into account if you’re going to compare him to those players.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 19, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks simply aren't that valuable.

Babe Ruth wasn’t an underwear model.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I beg to differ :)

 This Babe Ruth Underwear was endorsed by the New York Yankees slugger during the 1920s. There are two size boxes with the larger box measuring 12-1/2″ × 9-3/4", and the smaller 8 3/4″ × 10 1/2." Some of the larger boxes also came with a premium 14" baseball bat with the imprint "ATHLETIC BABE RUTH UNDERWEAR. The smaller box carried Boy’s underwear. The white undergarment came in different styles. some came as a two piece, and a button down sleeveless body suit with short leggings. "Babe Ruth reg. U.S. Pat. Off." Tag in the collar and small stamp on verso reads "Babe Ruth Patent Pending Rip-Proof Guaranteed". One side of lid on the smaller box reads "Babe Ruth Buddies All America Guaranteed Boy’s Athletic Underwear style B9 size 34".The cover of the box is adorned with a full color smiling image of Babe Ruth inside the circular section of the number "9". "Babe Ruth All America Athletic Underwear The Champion Nine" The box alone could sell for $200+. with the underwear about $700. -$900. The bat by itself about $400.

Just win

by The Duke on Dec 19, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's sorta what the JC Bradbury aging curve does

The population it’s based on are folks that have extended careers, so it’s got a much more gradual decline. I think I made a statement in passing about it, but didn’t show the curve.

by stevesommer05 on Dec 20, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

An eight year contract would be insured.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

At what point?

The first year or the fourth? We don’t know the insurance policy of the Cardinals.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 19, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no way a team would be stupid enough not to insure a nearly $100M contract that is guaranteed.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i know the story

But honestly I just don’t think we know enough. I asked Matt Leach if he knows anything.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 19, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just responding to your point that "it has only been pitchers"

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/14/sports/baseball-costly-contracts-make-insurance-costs-rise.html

Every team and situation is going to be different. Almost anything can be written into an insurance policy.

In any event, I’m sure the Cards will, in some fashion, insure against injury in a player contract that’s big enough. Past that, it’s just a guess how an injury would affect the team’s finances.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 19, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We do, actually.

Contracts are insured against career-ending injury, usually in the case of any contract over three years.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

does career-ending injury

include pervasive injuries that sink WARs to the basement?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

depends what "insured" means...

Usually, the player has to be completely disabled and physically can’t play anymore for the policy to kick in. So, if Holliday is injured but can still physically play (even if the injruy makes him a not very good player), the insurance provides no relief.

In other words, the insurance protects against career-ending injuries, but not career-hobbling injuries.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 19, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Which happens to be exactly what I said

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 19, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 19, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Unscientific viewpoint

As I get older, I get more and more wrapped up in the business and entirely rational side of the sport (as do most people around here) and treat the Cardinals like some Simm-Baseball fortune 500 company trying to negotiate the best contracts. Some of this is because we like our baseball team to win. But some of it is because we need something more than a simple game to amuse us.

Notwithstanding that, there is something to be said about having a favorite sports team with favorite players that stick around year-to-year. Granted I was 10, but there was something amazing bout Ozzie/Willie/Vince/Pendelton year-in-year-out that made watching MY team more enjoyable. Pedro Guerrero may have made the Cardinals a better team than having Tom Lawless at first base, but I definitely like Tom Lawless more.

Signing long-term contracts is not a bad thing. As a fan, I would pay a premium to have a 3-4 combination that I really liked in the middle of that line-up for the next 5 or 6 years, even if it cost a win or two in the long-run compared to Damon this year, Byrd the next, and a sprinkle of Jack Cust for good measure.

by Cardaholic on Dec 19, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

This

Look at the recent discussions over the LF or 2B of the decade – it’s like we have a different entry for every year. I don’t want to see the Cards refuse to ditch an albatross player (Hi, AK!), but I would also support them paying a little more to achieve stability and let us really get to “know” some of these guys, instead of just rooting for whoever’s inside the uniform that’s turning the double play in a given year.

Of course, it cuts both ways. I don’t really like Holliday, so I’d rather NOT have to watch him in the lineup for the next 5 years….I don’t want to forego hos kind of production at that position, I’d just rather see the $$ go to someone else, or have it come in the form of well-made draft picks.

by siddfynch on Dec 19, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Question

Boras has two clients who might be a fit for Cards. Boras and Mo in active talks. Let’s say Cards decide they want to pursue alternative two (Damon) even though they want to leave talks open with Holliday.

How does this work for Damon? Boras has an obligation to do the best for both his clients. Does Boras draw a chinese wall around his clients and ask other negotiators on his team to handle the Damon/Cards contacts and instruct negotiatior not to tell him (presumably Boras owns the Holliday talks) what is going on? How can Boras possibly be involved in both talks and be fairly representing both clients. Any ideas how this works. There must be protocols on this but I have never heard them

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by The Duke on Dec 19, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

There has always been some speculation

that by giving one of his clients a very good contract that you’ll get exclusive negotiating rights with another one of his clients. I don’t believe this to be the case, because it was speculated two years ago about Varitek’s negotiations with the Red Sox being tainted by the impending free agency of Mark Teixeira, because they were both Boras clients. Boston ended up overpaying for Varitek, and then Tex signed in the last possible place that the Red Sox would want him to sign.

There are no protocols that I know of that would prevent him from negotiating for both clients. It sounds like that’s what he was doing with Mike Gonzalez when he was finalizing that deal with Baltimore. It’s up to the client to decide whether Boras is representing him as well as he can and to change agents if he doesn’t feel that is the case.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 19, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There is an opinion

That representing the number of players as he does is an inherent conflict of interest and that there is no possible way that Boras can be truly acting in the best interest of each client in these situations. I definitely believe that there is no possible way way Boras can be acting in the best interests of both Damon and Holliday if he trying to represent each as an answer to a team’s needs when only one can fit.

by nmstar on Dec 19, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to agree with this..

My understanding is that Boras kind of takes his entire stable of clients and then games out different eventualities that will maximize their collective haul. How else could he rationally do it?

Let’s say the following offers are on table:

Holliday – 6/108 from the Cardinals, 5/70 from the Orioles
Damon – 3/24 from the Cardinals, 2/16 from the Mets

It’s not possible to do right by both. The best answer would be to send Holliday to the Cards, Damon to the Mets, and then have Holliday write Damon a check. I’ve never heard of this happening…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Theoretically

I think the client controls the decisions and Boras the means of negotiation. But I do agree that it is not clear to me if indeed Boras is communicating only the client’s interest, or he could be adding his own. The client doesn’t usually communicate directly with the management.
On another note, the agent can take less of a commission to make a deal happen. I doubt that will ever happen with Boras. But in real estate, for example, 6% is only whats thrown out by the realtors, so I forced the seller’s agent to take a cut on their commission to make the deal happen (The agent was pissed).

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Dec 19, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not a conflict of interest...

first, although Boras is an attorney, negotiating baseball contracts is not necessarily providing legal advice. and non-lawyers are not bound by the conflict of interest rules; these are binding on laywers through state bar rules. (though there are other types of fiduciary duties that could apply but don’t because of the point below)
second, even if we assume some services Boras provides are legal advice, informed clients can (and do) consent to being represented by Boras despite the risks. the clients therefore waive any conflict of interest claims.
this issue would/could come up in any sport where the agent represented more than one client (think Leigh Steinberg for NFL QBs, Drew Rosenhaus, or Arn Tellem in the NBA) yet you never hear about it – why? because it’s not a conflict and the client consents.

last point – how do you know that Damon/Holliday don’t benefit from both having Boras as their agent? I can think of lots of ways where they might. moreover, based on Boras’ reputation for getting the best deals for his (large stable of) clients, it appears that that’s what happens.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 19, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

conflict of interest

Good answer and thanks and can certainly see your view.

 Was thinking of this issue more as a commerical issue although I assume there are technical legal issues as well. I agree that some good could come of Boras representing both clients actively such as having a bigger view of the market if you manage more clients, but the issue still stands, how does Johnny Damon know he is getting a fair shot a primo LF spot or vice versa how does holliday know that Boras may not be trying to help out another longstanding client at Matt’s expense. I would be very surprised if the conflict is “waived” as you say. I would be more willing to bet that there is a written understanding as to how Boras’ team splits up work and information when a clear conflict may present itself. I would love to hear an agent describe how this works in practice. Boras isn’t the only one. There are a bunch of these guys with large stables

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by The Duke on Dec 19, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Chinese walls are used in the context of ethical concerns so that's why I focused on ethics...

and the waivers (i.e. informed consent to a potential conflict) are in the engagement agreements signed by the client and agent at the outset of the representation.

Also, Boras doesn’t wall himself off from information during negotiations. And this info is from the horse’s mouth.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 19, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Conflict of interest

This does a nice job addressing LEGAL considerations for a conflict of interest, but doesn’t speak to the reality that you can still very much have one (regardless of whether it runs afoul of legal considerations). I sit in plenty of meetings where attendees are asked to declare any conflicts of interest – it’s a concept in addition to a legal concern.

It’s hard for me to imagine that Boras doesn’t have conflicts of interest at times, given how large his net is relative to the size of the sport.

by siddfynch on Dec 19, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

is it a conflict if no one cares?

In meetings between baseball teams and Boras (or other agents) both sides are already aware of who he represents so there are no “undisclosed” conflicts. So there’s no need for the declaration of conflicts you’re describing.

Also, the clients don’t care – they’ve already consented to Boras’ representation knowing his representation of other players in the market place.

Lastly, Boras isn’t a principal and he doesn’t make the decisions for the players. A lot of these conflict of interest hypotheticals assume he’s making decisions on whether to take offers or not. He’s not. Every time a team makes an offer, it’s his legal obligation to make that known to the player. He can only advise the player whether he thinks it’s a good idea to take the offer – it’s ALWAYS up to the player, in the end, to accept or decline the offer.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 19, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Your example is a clear one and understood

Thinking more of the subtleties about this. Cards are getting exasperated that they can’t conclude with Holliday. Call Boras and say we want to start exploring other opportunities. Boras says — sure I got another guy named Damon but before you go there, let’s see if we can go the extra mile and get a deal done.

Cards never make offer, damon never knows topic came up. If I am a client, I’d be pretty unhappy. How does this benefit Damon and why would he waive that potential.

I understand your points, I guess I would never want to be in that position myself, so I naturally ask, why would anyone else? To your point, is it a conflict if no one cares (no) — my question is why wouldn’t you care?

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by The Duke on Dec 19, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

in situations like this, someone in Boras's agency handles one guy

and Scotty himself handles the big one on the market. so there is no conflict, well, there is less of one than if he did it all by himself

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's essentially a recusal?

That makes sense.

Conflicts of interest don’t automatically make you stop the process or leave the team…they just make you flag things that might have to be worked around. I think that;’s what the original poster was trying to ask.

by siddfynch on Dec 19, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

from what i understand about how he runs his agency yes

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

You’re oversimplifying, and understating.

Yes, it’s still a potential conflict of even if nobody cares…at the time. Sounds like you are coming at the issue from the field of law, which is fine and all…but this is common issue in other fields as well, and yes, people are asked to declare potential COIs regardless of whether anyone ends up “caring” about them. This is done BECAUSE things can arise at a later time in which suddenly it does very much matter. So yes, it means something.

Your points about Boras not making the decisions for players seems a little disengenuous. Sure, ultimately Johnny Damon is the one that crooks the pen between his fingers and writes “JD”, but the more relevant question is whether GMs are calling Boras (as the rep) and swapping information and negotiating over things with Holliday that will affect Damon, without Damon ever knowing… and where Boras draws the line or recuses himself if his negotiations regarding Holliday might affect Damon’s situation for the worse.

And so it becomes an interesting question: what kind of advance conversations with clients does Boras have, when they all know there’s a chance that negotiations with one group may have a ripple effect on another?

by siddfynch on Dec 19, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice to be able to talk baseball when

not much else to do as 2+ feet of snow accumulate here in VA.

by gocards62 on Dec 19, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Blizzards are the best...

weather event. I sat through a mild hurricane in Jersey once. It wasn’t that exciting.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I sat through Katrina in a hottub one night in Florida

damn storm almost got ruined my drink

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

"Sat through Katrina in Florida"

I’m sitting through gocards Virginia blizzard in Wisconsin. Isn’t that saying the same thing?

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, it was when Katrina tracked over Florida

that storm hit more than just New Orleans

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ah...

wasn’t aware… I suppose these things have to come from somewhere.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I am still waiting on my " I survived Katrina" t-shirt

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

heh..

You lost some shingles. Was your city destroyed? The bar has been raised…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

the only thing I lost was a day at the beach because of the rain

it’s not too soon for Katrina related humor, is it?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's ok...

I was waiting for the news that he plowed into a van full of kids with Freese-like BAC.

Glad to hear that won’t be happening.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Henry just brings back a memory from college

We were in the process of moving and we didn’t know how to move the mattresses without a truck. So we tied them down with some twine to the top of my friends explorer. My one friend for whatever reasons decides to ride on top of the mattresses while driving across town. It was a nice drive going pretty fast. Looking back my friend could of easily died. Cause he did end up falling off around a turn.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 19, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The movie Teen Wolf...

actually thinned out my generation quite a bit…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i almost lost a friend in high school doing that car surfing thing

he & another guy almost feel off the roof of his blazer i was driving when we went over a series of small hills going about 90mph

and we did throw a dude out the back of a pickup in a field once. that was awesome. one second he in the back, and the next he’s about 20feet in the air after i hit a bump going about 40mph.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

kid at my high school

Died the night of his graduation doing that crap. They filmed it. The tape was destroyed, the truck that he was on actually ran him over and the kid that was driving panicked. His dad took the truck and cleaned it and they made up a story saying the kid that got killed actually got mad and started walking away from the party he was at. The truth came out, but the parties involved didn’t have any consequences. . . amazing what money can do.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

holy crap that's horrible

it was a pretty stupid thing to do, i don’t know why kids do stuff like that. maybe we had a death wish, i don’t know.

that sounds like something a politicians kid would get out of. i can’t believe nothing happened to them.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

real estate agent

but he might as well be a politician.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i was a RE for two years & i never had that kind of juice

i feel bad for the kids folks, that’s just so wrong

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Way to harsh my mell dude..

Sorry just got back from splitting the better part of 5 bottles of wine with a family member at a family get together. But seriously holy crap that sucks.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Speed doesn't even have to be involved

When I was a kid, my folks business was next door to a furniture store. One of the co-owners of the store was riding in the back of a pickup carrying a matress set. They drove 1/2 block up the street, pulled away from a STOP sign and he lost his balance turning onto the main street, fell out and died from a head injury. The truck couldn’t have been going over 10 mph at the time.

I’ve done it plenty of times too, but riding in the back of a pickup is dangerous.

by ArkansasTravs on Dec 19, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

George Bush doesn't care about VEB people.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 19, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

you know Mister Eff, he probably does

Lookie there, I twisted a meme.

George should hate mattyfrommo, cuz mattyfrommo probably doesn’t like him.* *

 * * not a political statement, mattyfrommo is just a misanthropic bastard

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like him

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm jealous.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i just don't understand your snow fascination

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

white, Canadian, Jamacian wanna be rappers are de bomb

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

enjoy, all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDdxN1m0MZc

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 19, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is,,,,AWESOME

ahh the good old early 90’s

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It's so pretty!

And it gives you a reason to stay home and drink hot chocolate all day.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

it gives me a reason to stay home and drink hot chocolate watch college basketball/football and nfl football all day.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah then you grow up & have to drive to work in that prettiness

it ain’t so pretty when an 18wheeler loses control in front of you & all hell breaks loose

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't.

I’m going to be a teacher remember. Although if I live in some places they won’t cancel school for anything. That’s when you just drive slow.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

oh that's going to be great for you then

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

draft pick order thus far

http://riveraveblues.com/2010-draft-order/

only three more type As left

either way, looks like we get 4 picks in the top 65

angels make out like bandits

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

I guess the question is

Are there enough to go around?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Holliday..

is on top of the stack no matter what. The poor Athletics had the #23 pick (or so) for like a week until the Lackey signing sent their pick into the 60s.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy Mother of Almighty Baseball God...


Reds Restructure, Extend Rolen’s Contract

I like it that my favorite team plays in the NL Central.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

So many teams in this division

make moves that just make me shrug my shoulders and say “whatevs.”

by Mister Eff on Dec 19, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that was my reaction at first

but it kinda makes sense. i would pay $6MM/yr for scott rolen. at least, if i were a team in rebuild mode, i’d pay 6 before 11

why he is on the team in the first place is the bigger question

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I think this is an okay move on the Reds’ part. I’d prefer not to be giving a 34-year-old a 3-year extension, but, if I were doing so, $6.5MM as an annual average is not terrible. Plus, they lopped $5MM off of the 2010 payroll.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 19, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

god i hope so

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's more than $6.5 million...

per year, b/c they’re spreading the $5 million bonus across three years. It’s more like $8 million per.

Plus this blocks one of their better prospects, and it sucks up 10% of their payroll. Top it off with the fact that they’ve missed the Harang/Volquez, “best rotation in the NL Central” window, and the move is just silly. This is analogous to Jocketty’s doubling down with that ludicrous extension for Mulder a few years back.

The latter-day version of Jocketty is just awful.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I should add...

there’s a some injury risk here, obviously.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

his glove is probably worth that 6.5M

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Walt Jocketty?

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Dec 21, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade For Rolen

I desperately want to bring my “Rolen on the River” poster out of the garage, so I say trade for Rolen, sign Holliday, and create the new MV2.5

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Dec 19, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that poster could be the st. lousiest thing ever

replace that baseball with a toasted raviolo, and it would definitely be.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 19, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy hell.

The singular of ravioli is raviolo?

by peach concrete on Dec 19, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If it follows the standard italian rules, yes

But I’m not 100% sure

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 19, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fantastic.

I certainly hope that’s true, cause raviolo is a great word.

by peach concrete on Dec 19, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

raviolus

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

raviolium

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

but then

the plural would have to be raviola

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and eating it would make you glow in the dark

yummy!

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 19, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

spants

from the info in the other thread, it does sound like you are having a problem at your SI joint. There are several different SI joint dysfunctions however, so you do need to get a more definite diagnosis before we can get you pain free. The thing is, once you get the SI joint in line, you need to address whatever muscle imbalance is causing you to develop the SI joint dysfunction. It could be weakness in your abdominals, specifically the transverse abdominus. You can work that out by basically doing kegel exercises and then progressing to holding the contraction and performing various tasks such as straight leg raises. Or, it could be due to shortened or tight muscles. The most common muscles that cause this are the hip flexors which can easily be stretched. If it is SI, icing is definitely going to be more beneficial to you than stretching. Leave the ice on for only 15 to 20 minutes each time you ice. You can ice 3 or 4 times a day if you feel like you need it.

Hope that this helps you some.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

I vote for VEB to insure spants against further pain and injury

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Or against any future instances

of her body going on mutiny. Which in my expert opinion is clearly what is going on here.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 19, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then

the only solution I can see is to off yourself. Okay maybe not I couldn’t live without all this fiestiness in my life.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

and the winner

of “most narcissistic comment in VEB history, non-bacon division”, goes to…

ducttape16!

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 20, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I do what I can...

I just try to keep my adoring fans happy. It’s really all for them.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

it's a compliment, though

that takes off at least 2 narcissism points. maybe 3.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 20, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

the vivaelbirdos idle chatter from people

Who live in their mom’s basement corporation™ and sbnation do not endorse any medical or other opinions provided on this website. Any illness or injury sustained by following advice given by posters on the forum is not the responsibility of the aforementioned entities.

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Dec 19, 2009 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

mbc?

“The less you know…”

by peach concrete on Dec 19, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm a genius!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're right.

After I mentioned the SI joint, I did some Googling. Sounds a lot more like what’s going on with me. What’s weird is that I already do straight leg raises (to counteract some knee cap issues) but I’m pretty sure I don’t maintain an abdominal contraction while doing it.

Just to verify, I ice the site of the pain, not the hip flexors, correct?

And thanks for your help. I will certainly take your advice. I want to try to remedy this without going the MRI route. I need to not spend money like that.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 19, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

ice the site of pain

I’d still suggest a doctor looks at you and possibly you get a referral for PT, that way you know exactly what is going on and you can treat the specific dysfunction. Unless the MD is clueless, I don’t think they will send you for a diagnostic test like MRI or X-ray. You haven’t had any kind of trauma to cause a fracture, and typically they do not send you for MRIs on your first visit.

If you feel like you have tight hip flexors, you can start stretching them. I’m leaving for dinner, but I can get some youtube videos demonstrating good stretches for you later.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd REALLY appreciate that.

My email is spantalones at gmail dot com if you’d like to send them to me.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 19, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

google modified thomas test stretch

or just thomas test stretch

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 19, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

you've got mail

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

I’ll keep you posted.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 20, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

i missed PT discussion

need to come around more often

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 19, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Feel free to add your thoughts.

My initial post is here.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 19, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

true

what are your thoughts about her problem?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm saving those for when I have spontaneous limb loss.

It’ll probably happen as soon as I get this situation under control.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 19, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

good post tom

the berkman comparison is uplifting, the others not so much.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

see first comment

Berkman comp isn’t as awesome as it seems

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 19, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

oh noes

you are starting to think like gdm?

that is not a good sign

i suggest euthanasia

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you guys have me confused

either way, if we sign holliday i sure as hell hope it’s for 4-5 years and not 8 years.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew he needed a comma there

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

commas are important

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

your anger will never reach Carpenter levels

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

you talk too much

Carp only has to look.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 20, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

heh, twitter

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

it's too simple

even facebook has a much more robust set of features, and now google wave is going to be much more powerful than either one of them

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i refuse to even touch google wave

google is attempting to take over the world.

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

uh

ok. I’m sure you will be on there when it becomes more popular :)

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

ummmmm it looks sleek

i may take back my statement.

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

you can do tons of different stuff with it

I have some invites left if anyone wants to get on the beta. I sent alxfritz a “wave”

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

since I am a nice guy

I will send you an invite then

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks bro

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

okay

i haven’t gotten it yet so yeah.

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

my cousin

is a top young software engineer at google. I saw him last week for the first time in ages. “What are you up to at work,” I asked. It was like some microchip flipped on and his eyes steeled over. “I’m not at liberty to discuss the projects I’m working on.”

….uh ok. Good talk!

by mattyp on Dec 19, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

that's how the russian's roll

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

one thing i heard about

is some kind of function that when you search through google.com, it will translate all results in other languages too so you can find tons more info

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

in communist google,

project discusses YOU!!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 20, 2009 4:38 AM EST up reply actions  

did you just wake up

or did you just decide to start commenting?

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

He lives in England.

The time there, she is not-a the same-a.

Wait, that is England, right?

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Dec 21, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I just find twitter to be pretty limited

it’s good for getting news I guess

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thats the point of it, though

it’s supposed to be limited. As soon as it gets mafia wars and farmville, I’m out.

by Mister Eff on Dec 20, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Twitter and Facebook serve entirely different purposes.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Dec 21, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i suggest moar of the B's

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

and then, read subsequent comments

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Dec 19, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

re: "similar player" feature on baseball-reference.com
honestly, i have no idea what the criteria are for saying that a player is “similar” to another.

FWIW, BGH did a great job of explaining how similarity scores work about 3 weeks ago in the fanposts. Still waiting on his part III.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 19, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

ah. i knew i'd seen someone explain it.

hmm. i might have done this differently, had i looked back at his post. anybody looking for a more hopeful comp should see the larry walker line for runs created.

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Dec 19, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

just hit a walkoff dong

off marmol

sweet victory just got sweeter

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

Are we talking vidya game you?

Cause vidya game me threw a shut out against the Cubs… I was very proud of vidya game me.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

vidya game me is the best

my last three games have been perfect ,and the two before that were no-hitters. Plus I hit clean-up/thirdbase when I don’t pitch, and this is at the hardest setting.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Either you are uber awesome

or I need to call shenanigans on this. I’m leaning toward shenanigans.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I average about four hours a day on this game.

what sucks about it though is when I hit free agency, I had to take a paycut to be on the cardinals.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I see.

I got the most money to stay on the Cards… future sim Cards are not a happy site. Boog is 3B, DunK and AnK are still holding down the outfield. A certain Mang went to the DIrty South. Enough to make a man drink it is.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

ouch

luckily my version of the cardinals has a rotation of
ME
Wainwright
Lester
Lohse
Wellemeyer(who is in fact a decent starter)
and braun in left.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I like your sim

much better than mine

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I find it awesome that when I started the royals were my affiliate

which I went a astounding 29-0 in my first season. we went to the playoffs and eventually won the WS against the cubs(somehow they made it).
And after five seasons more seasons of winning the CY Young, strarting the all-star game, and winning the MVP during the regular season and WS. I signed to the cardinals for $150M

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

My one Cy Young caliber year

I blew my arm out in late August. I about threw the controller through the TV… I’m currently 1-1 throw mid May… woo AstroClemens run support. Can’t believe I’m this angry over a vidya game. Probably a good sign they made it the right way if we all care this much about it.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I'm lucky enough not to go through an injury yet.

but my run support is fantastic usually, since I found out hitting the ball straight down the middle=.400avg.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I should just retire...

go Barry Sanders style and start again…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I would do that

how fast can your pitcher throw? I decided the 100mph gas would be fun to have, while watching battesr miss or very rarely hit a dribbler to second.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

High fastballs are 99

I have a great curve that Freckles McGee can’t block. It’s awful…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

the only thing I hate about the national league games are the coach

takes you out too soon. When I was with the royals, not once did the coach take me out of the game. It’s ridiculous, I play third and have a .430 avg this season, yet the coach(probably tony) pinch hit me.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree

Vidya game TLR gives me no rope… this is the first CG of my career. I constantly yell at him and he constantly tells me I’m missing a start.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

"ooh look a guy hit a homerun off me in the ninth after I

struck 17 batters, and I just hit a freaking grandslam, let me finsih this game!!!" that is exactly what my guy would say, yet I still get taken out of the game for YP(who is very similar to Marmol in this game.)

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Next time I will have no loyalty

to the Cards I’m going to the team that looks the best to me… I really think people who bitch about free agents should be forced to play The Show and they will totally understand and stop whining…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

so, random

what happened to zoomzoom’s decade fanpost? seemed legit enough, did the discussion get out of hand at the bottom?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, what the hell happened to it?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

who, random?

haven’t seen him around as much

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

wow.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I was being silly, heh

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

haha really?

i hadn’t noticed.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

it's that time of year

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

via twitter

he deleted the post himself.

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

see

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

SBN'd

see! look what twitter did for me CFIC!

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I am amazed!

it can be useful for spying on your friends and colleagues

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

so go get yourself a twitter.

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I have been on there for a long time

but use it sporadically. gbowles, would be the id. lots of nuggets of useless brain farts, and other curio

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

what the hell is zoomzoom's twitter?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

you hush

I am always looking for more VEB tweets

except fang, he is a bad seed

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

futball

meh

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

oh shit

soccer, noooooo

add me on twitter dude: gbowles

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I am now officially stalking most VEBers that I recognize

amazing how many people that follow elbirdos on twitter are so unrecognizable. I know there have to be more of you out there. DO NOT HIDE!!!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

you'll never find me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I am already blogging from your basement

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

stop bogarting the boubon man!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

not yet, no

eventually maybe? i don’t know, maybe

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

do it!

now!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i can't, i'm eating pizza & watching the cowboys get my hopes up

i don’t know why i let them do this to me. just like every pretty girl i see i know they are going to break my heart

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

so do you

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

make sure they're horizontal cuts

otherwise you’re just looking for attention. and none likes an attention whore

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

huh?

up the road, not across the street

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

vertical, i meant vertical

HFS® i swear i typed out vertical. WTF

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I have yet to tweet

But if they’re anything like my facebook updates midgets, transexuals and midget transexuals will be involved.

Rockstark33

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It was the trannies, wasn't it.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It was the trannies, wasn't it.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So nice I had to say it twice.

How’s that for freestyle??? Fuck Snow! Fucking Canadian….

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 19, 2009 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

twitter.com/zoomzoomJ88

do you have one?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

same as here

and look what our robot overlord is up to

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

had azru already

and just started following you.

and bad seed? come on!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I will probably be not worth following

I figure I will never master tweetering, but I do get some good laughs out of that place

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, november 6th dude?

you’re going to need to fix that.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hell, i still dont know how to tweet other people

and yes…bad seed

why do you think your sprouts are the only things that arent green in that star wars thread?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

ugh

i’ll need to shed that.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

he totally ripped me off man!

i told the world about louis ck first.

and i was going to make some cookies too, but there’s people here & i can’t. f’in people, go home! i want cookies damnit!

now i get why someone said to ask him about big chain jewelery stores. i can’t believe he likes those commercials. i don’t know if i’ll ever be able to look at him the same ever again

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

him and mister eff

never saw that one coming

not that there is anything wrong with that

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he's on the fritz because of job security

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

that’s precious.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i've had that one for a while, but never had a chance to use it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Awwwwwwwww....

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

AWWWWWWWWWWWW...

Puppy!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

are you challenging me?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

the robots gonna be pissed

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That duck's fake.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks photoshopped in.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's just creepy.

You automatically lose this photo war because of that picture.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

F I N A L L Y

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's different than photo war commissioner.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

a real and not at all non-authentic rec

for you

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 20, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Awwwww....

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that was,,,disturbing

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I really can't wait until my new account is out of probation

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

i didn't think they let us have more than one account?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

of course they do, I think flim has like 20

my new one has the best avatar EVAR

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

no he tried then they all got blown up

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ahh well, I will just have to switch my avatar on this one when/if it gets blown up

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

it's mostly flim & i talking to each other

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

read his posts & read mine, it's pretty clear we are not the same guy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

naw, my other personalities are really crazy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

they don't

ask jesus

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah, i forgot about him

maybe i should make a dummy account

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ask mister eff

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

or JD

forgot about his other account

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

do not recall

off the top of my head

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

mr. redbird

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 19, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

thats it

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 19, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

oh

that’s just a former one.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

He still uses it from time to time.

I’ve seen it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 20, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

these ref's sure are doing their best to get NOL the win

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS!?!?

nothing’s ever easy with those clowns

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 19, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone watch the Texas-Penn State volleyball championship tonight?

It was amazing. I wish I was that talented at volleyball.

And then the WEC fight was on. I’ve been glued to my TV all day (watched Star Trek this afternoon). Best lazy day ever.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Dec 20, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions  

star trek, then volleyball, then WEC fight? you would give nielsen's fits.

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Dec 20, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm a terror when I've got control of the TV.

I’m notorious for channel flipping and it’s anyone’s guess as to what I’m going to decide to watch.

Side story: For some reason when I was growing up, I called the remote control a “TV box”. My parents never corrected me despite the fact that they don’t use that term and all through college my friends gave me crap for it. Still, to this day, when I’m looking for the remote, I ask where the TV box is.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Dec 20, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

that's adorable

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

you're just like one of my best friends at school

they’ll be some big game on that everyone in the room will be interested in, and this kid is channel flipping the whole time. if he comes up on a movie he likes, you could be stuck watching the damn movie for 15 minutes and miss a whole half inning or a series of a football game.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

YES--the match was amazing, from start to finish

i couldn’t believe when i heard texas was up 2-0, so i decided to flip to the match and watched two hours of volleyball madness. those girls are amazing. had to feel for texas at the end.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 20, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

fang is correct ( shocking, I know)

it really was amazing

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Dec 20, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what she said?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey VEB.

Just got home, and West Side Story is on Encore Drama if anybody cares.

Race wars and mass dance numbers for the win.

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Dec 20, 2009 2:09 AM EST reply actions  

race wars? so this was set in the movie the fast & the furious?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

do you ever sleep?

it seems every time I’m on VEB you are on it.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he's running on vampire time

much like your favorite member named after an adhesive product.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

if i have nothing to do i'm in bed around 4 & always up before noon

if i have something to do i usually shut down before now. i have nothing to do tomorrow, so i’m going to go keep catching up on chuck now

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I much prefer

the 6 am nap time and noon wake up… keeps my mind limber for vidya games and TiVo… good Christ I need a job.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

bah reading

I assumed there would be a spreadsheet.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I opt for the

fall asleep and wake up when it happens. Unemployment is awesome on that front… the whole no income thing sucks, but meh good sleep is worth it for awhile.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I know what you mean.

In the summers when I had no responsibilities(summer vacation!!!), I slept about 14 hours a day, which I loved, but I also hated myself for wasting so much of my day.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

When you have no responsiblities

but to get up the next day and make sure they’re still not hiring… you don’t feel so bad about yourself… or at least I don’t.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

how do you do that? i feel like shit

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Well when you have some money saved up

and the knowledge that the job you want is likely not hiring til March, you learn.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

ah, well good for you

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I still feel like a waste of space

but not a waste of life… it’s how I deal…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

don't feel bad gdm

if you were working , we wouldn’t be able to read your comments of gold.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm gold baby!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

f'in gdm

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 20, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions  

i know, you have to go wide to see the whole thing

but i had to do it, cody put it on a tee

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

go wide?

my 30inch monitor sees all.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

well la de frickin da

i’m half your size with my wittle lap top

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

We don't need to know

about your half size problems…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I've already used that enough today...

trying to change it up…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Well played sir

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions  

i chucked at both

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:09 AM EST up reply actions  

that's what she said

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 20, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Cut off fail?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Let it be known

I’m at my parents house with a tiny old school CRT monitor… This problem will be remedied on Christmas when the LCD comes out of the wrapping paper… So frustrating.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions  

it's just my defense mechanism kicking in, sorry

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

i am the alpha & omega

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions  

please I know my greek alphabet and

if you’re the alpha and omega that would suck.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

welcome to suckville population you

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

no no no

suckville is also populated by people who feel this is something I need to know about on Google News…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm about ready

to boycott Google News for that nonsense…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with both these comments...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

OT: Does anyone else

have a problem with this or am I just over reacting?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:39 AM EST reply actions  

it proves the commish of the nfl is a douche

c’mon dude, what the fuck? let him wear the damn jersey for one f’in game

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 20, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No

It proves, once again, that the NFLPA has no power whatsoever.

If I was an NFL player, I would roundly reject my union and attempt to start another one before the labor negotiations next year — they are bound to lose more ground next year if they don’t.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 20, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The NFLPA

is a very confusing body to me. On one hand the players seem to have nothing going for them when compared to baseball. Yet had a deal good enough the owners backed out because the players were apparently making money hand over fist. Oh well. Not my problem as I will not soon be playing professional football anytime soon.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Being fined

I don’t care about numbers… Hell I think the NFL should adopt the college rules of number anarchy.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If he gets fined

the NFL is dead to me. It’s been toeing a very fine line for awhile for me. This will push me to not buying any merchandise ever again.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions  

i haven't bought anything since they only let reebok make their crap

i refuse to wear anything but Nike so even if i did care enough to buy something with the big star on it i wouldn’t. they only did that to piss off jerry jones anyway so f them

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I've had and ass full

of the NFL’s attitude of “You need us in your life” No guys I really don’t. I can get my fix on Saturday. Note this isn’t my normal fix of booze I’m referring to, but instead handegg.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

i get the feeling with all their bad teams they'll take a big hit next season

in ratings & attendance. people won’t watch bad football just to watch football. they don’t care that much & don’t need the no fun league as much as they no fun league needs them.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, the great thing about baseball is that you don't know without a doubt who's going to win

yet with football, a team like the saints will destroy the rams everytime.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

the nfl really needs to get knocked off it's high horse

i share ducks view, i’m sick of their crap & could give a damn about all but two teams. earlier i looked at the schedule tomorrow, and there’s not one game that i’m the least bit interested in seeing.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm apparently on call

to be the 4th ticket my cousin has for the game tomorrow. I’m not really excited about the chance of going. I have season tickets to Illinois football. I think those two facts should say something.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

which game? the lambs?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:08 AM EST up reply actions  

YOUR 1-??? STL Rams...

Live the excitement…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

i 6ly wouldn't go even if it was free & all my food & booze were free

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions  

hmmm....

let’s say the food consisted of bacon.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but i'd have to go to that horrible dome & be exposed to a crappy nfl game

i’ve got bacon in my fridge, i’m good till monday or tuesday on the bacon

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm really only considering it

Cause I could add another stadium I’ve been to on my list… of stadiums I’ve been to.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't think the ed jones counts as a real stadium

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Well...

it’s an edifice that sports are played in… I call that a stadium…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't think what the lambs do can be considered a sport

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:22 AM EST up reply actions  

But the other team playing...

Dude don’t rain on the parade I’m already raining on myself… poor form at best.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:24 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone think Crisp signing with the A's is stupid?

If I were the cardinals I would sign the guy, his defense in left would be sweet.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 4:04 AM EST reply actions  

Can't discount the awesome name either...

That has to count for something right?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

but we lose our 1st round pick

f’in stros

honeslty i don’t care about crisp, he’s aging really quickly

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

if we've learned anything this week it's that UZR sucks for telling us how good a LF is

he’s coming off an injury & i have no faith in him any more

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 20, 2009 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

if that's true then we should sign Johnny Damon

I will put my money on it that he can play 150+ games. of course he’ll also want way too much money.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 20, 2009 4:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Again I'm on board with this

but only if we get Caveman Damon…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't care

if Damon is coming and not in Caveman regalia, I will be very angry.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And now that someone agrees with me

I am signing off for the nite… in the immortal words of Dr. Christian Troy… Hot shit. Rock n’ Roll.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Dec 20, 2009 4:43 AM EST up reply actions  

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