Non-Tendered is the Night
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2009 6:39 AM EST
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NON-TENDERED IS THE NIGHT
REYES: Where am I?
CHARON: Right now it's an open question, but you're in the process of being in hell. Don't worry about the connotations, we're doing contract work. You weren't tendered a contract. What's the last thing you remember?
REYES: Well, we'd just beaten the Tigers, and I'm explaining to this reporter that don't really iron my cap, and... I don't know, the rest of it's a blur.
CHARON: Well, you didn't yadda-yadda the best part.
REYES: What?
CHARON: It's from Seinfeld, it's a joke—look, I'm sorry—it's a TV show—I'm sorry. I'm just a little nervous having to make small-talk. It's not what I normally do. In between 2006 and 2009 you've been sent to the minors ten or fifteen times, traded to the Indians for a guy who was later handed off to the Padres in exchange for their vague interest, had six pretty good starts in 2008, and undergone a serious elbow surgery.
REYES: I thought I felt a little sore.
CHARON: I have another joke, where I'm like, "I ferry you across, but not your fastball," because it's funny and then it's spooky, you know? But I thought maybe that would be too close to home. Anyway, we're here, thank goodness. I've got Garrett Atkins on the other side. You think the Cardinals'll go after him? He can't play defense, but he hit for that year or so.
REYES: You're saying they let the guy they traded me for go in the Rule 5 draft?
CHARON: That's what it says on your chart.
REYES: Yeah, I hope they do.
REYES is deposited in the main office floor of hell, where he is seated by the secretary of hell in the waiting room of hell. SOME FELLOW TRAVELERS, each with a numbered ticket in hand, are sitting in his row.
REYES: Oh, wow, you're Jack Cust, aren't you?
CUST: Is he still telling that joke? Yeah, I am.
REYES: Why are you here?
CUST: Well, I can hit a fastball as well as anybody you've ever seen, and I'll hit it 400 feet to any part of the field. But they don't throw me any fastballs. And I can't play defense. If you were a team with a hole in left field, and you had a young right-handed hitter to platoon with me, and a fleet-footed fifth outfielder—no, probably not. To be honest. But I'll DH somewhere. Anyway, I'm here so that they can tell me which Greek philosophical allegory best represents the whole fastball hitter/no fastballs thing. I can see you're here representing an NL team, so I'll stop talking now.
CUST stumbles out of frame. Across from REYES are several pitchers, most with one or both arms in slings, as precautionary measure. REYES feels a particular and immediate bond with CHIEN-MING WANG, a late twentysomething non-tender with serious arm problems.
REYES: I think we have a lot in common, you and I. We both had some great moments and some bad ones. We were both dumped pretty unceremoniously by a team that had spent a while waiting for our big breakout. I'll tell you, if I had your sinker and you had my change-up we might not be in this mess right now, you know?
WANG: 我不會說英語，但我喜歡你的滑稽的帽子。
REYES: Oh.
CUST: Excuse me—I'm sorry to interrupt, but I speak a little Mandarin... Wang agrees with you, for the most part. He's worried about his shoulder, but he thinks either of you would make a fine pick-up for a team with low expectations and a full but marginally unsettled rotation. There's also Scott Olsen, he notes, but he's rumored to be a headcase, and injured besides; he's lost even more velocity than you did last year. And he likes your cap; do you iron it?
REYES: No, it's simple, really, I cut—
CUST: Sorry, that's my number coming up. It was nice talking to you. (他絕對是整燙.) You should talk to those guys over there—it looks like they've already received their allegorical judgment. [Down the hall behind CUST walk a reliever in black and a reliever in white. They are holding a pair of new-looking scripts.]
MACDOUGAL: "I am the Spirit of Nibbling—and the, and not enough contact! I am alpha!"
CAPPS: "I am the Spirit of Going After Hitters—and too much contact! I am omega!"
MACDOUGAL and CAPPS: "If we were one pitcher, getting groundballs and going after hitters, we would be your ideal pitcher. Now we are... Now we are..." [CAPPS, his head down, runs into REYES.]
CAPPS: I'm sorry, we're running our lines. See, Mike is an extreme groundball hitter with a serious control problem, and I'm an extreme flyball hitter with a serious home run problem, and I guess we're here to haunt Dave Duncan, because there's a non-zero chance he has to deal with one of us.
REYES: Dave Duncan? He's behind that door?
Suddenly the last three years snap into focus for ANTHONY REYES. La Russa and DAVE DUNCAN's unimpressive record with young pitchers sharpens in his mind. A sinker, a horrible sinker, plays across the memory of his arm's tortured muscles. He bursts through the door to find DUNCAN's face projected onto white drywall, and —
Hey man, I knew you'd find us eventually. In hell! I got a winter job here.
REYES: Oh, no! The Ghost of Chris Lambert!
DUNCAN: Oh, for god's sake, is this a party line? Reyes, did this clown bring you here?
LAMBERT: This ghost clown! Liaison between hither and beyond! Licensed astral-projector operator!
REYES: You, Dave Duncan. You're the reason I'm here, aren't you? I remember it all now. I destroyed the minor leagues, I did pretty well in the major leagues, but that wasn't enough, was it? I had a K:BB ratio over seven one year! In the PCL!
DUNCAN: That seems like you're oversimplifying things a bit. After all, your velocity was pretty consistent both years, wasn't it? And you're—well, your arm hasn't exactly held up in the meantime. Look, Reyes, I like you—
LAMBERT: Man, you were just telling me about how stupid that stupid ironed cap looked—
DUNCAN: Look, Reyes. I like you more than I like this guy. And I'm biased, obviously. But as wrong a turn as we might have done you, this whole thing might have been a confluence of you struggling to adapt to the majors at the same time your elbow slowly came unglued. See what happens this year, or next year. There's still plenty of time to be Al Leiter, or somebody.
REYES: I guess you might be right. But Luis Perdomo? Was that the best Mozeliak could do? I'm a fun guy to watch! I have an interesting wind-up, cool socks, an awesome hat. All I want now is a make-good contract. Give me a Matt Clement deal and see what happens, you know?
DUNCAN: Lambert, can you get Mozeliak on this thing?
LAMBERT: Oh... look, I don't really know that guy that well, can you call him? Tell him it's a long distance call—a really long distance call. From hell!
REYES: Okay, you know what? It's not worth it. I'm going somewhere else.
LAMBERT: From hell!
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and the ghost returns
dang it!
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Dec 13, 2009 6:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...
these guys will haunt us for awhile I’m afraid…
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 7:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bravo!
A rec for you, savvy.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Dec 13, 2009 7:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better than Sartre
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
by alberich on Dec 13, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
PETE Sartre. Oh yeah.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Replaced by Ringo
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
by alberich on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn it dan
now the song is stuck in my head
also, it would be nice if you tagged all of your VEB Theaters … there’s an existing tag for the Shakespearean Skip one, but your brilliance is largely hidden by SBN.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
favorite line
If you were a team with a hole in left field, and you had a young right-handed hitter to platoon with me, and a fleet-footed fifth outfielder—no, probably not.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Wang's line is priceless
Awesome.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
by TNTinCO on Dec 13, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cust's reply makes it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely.
so much goodness on a Sunday morning.
Great job DanUp
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
by TNTinCO on Dec 13, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure Cust speaks Mandarin?
How did “I do not speak English, but I dig your ironed flatbill” become “Wang agrees with you, for the most part. He’s worried about his shoulder, but he thinks …”. Oh wait, that’s Cust playing with Wang. I did not know Cust was that talented.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Dec 13, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how much talent does one really need...?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Scared of the Ghost of Chris Lambert...
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Dec 13, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
bravo!
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 13, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I liked this part best:
MACDOUGAL: “I am the Spirit of Nibbling—and the, and not enough contact! I am alpha!”
CAPPS: “I am the Spirit of Going After Hitters—and too much contact! I am omega!”
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 13, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This. Was. Awesome.
and how did I not see the Ghost of Christ Lambert reappearing?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Dec 13, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Numbers are in for the Holliday deal...
He’ll make $15.75 an hour and have access to a high deductible health insurance plan and a 401(k) with a $2,000 annual match.
Sources close to Holliday say he’s thrilled to have a job in these tough economic times.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
matt capps?
he had a bit of a down year last year, but he could probably be had for around $1MM, i would imagine
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He'll cost more than that, I'm afraid...
He made $2.3 million last year and now he’s on the open market.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, word?
i was going of fangraph’s 0.4MM figure
if that’s the case, i’ll pass
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He had a bad year...
but I bet he gets 2/8 or something like that.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was totally inflated
I know I look at to much stats when I pull up his BR page and look at his last 3 years. Look at his 2009 line and guessed his BABIP. Than I looked at his LHB vs RHB splits saw huge numbers from LHB. Yep he gave a shit load of HR’s to LHB.
Almost all the HR’s he gave up were “Just Enough” meaning they cleared the fences by less than 10 feet. PNC is more of a HR park than Busch. I bet he would be quite good at Busch stadum.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Capps has some major regression
He has a career .299 BABIP and it was .370 last year. Plus, HR/9 was 1.66 vs 1.06 career. His fastball in 09 was actually 2MPH faster than 08 so not injured and losing his stuff. He is a serious rebound candidate. Someone I would love to see in our bullpen.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree,
but i don’t think he’d be willing to take a pay cut and he’d pretty much be our highest paid reliever
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you think he's worth that?
1.6 war is the best season he’s put up
i’d try and get him to sign for three with a club option for 4
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That contract would be fine by me
He has better stuff than anyone else in our bullpen. Especially K/BB numbers
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WAR doesn't capture reliever value very well
because it doesn’t account for the leverage of the situations that they pitch in. He would probably be worth $4M next season if we could get him on a 2Y$8M contract or something like that.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
by fourstick on Dec 13, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WAR DOES consider LI of relievers
They use the (1 + gmLI) / 2 formula to calculate a leverage-considered WAR.
Look here and here to see the basic concept of the formula. (bullpen chaining theory)
Cardinals fan from Korea
by FreeRedbird on Dec 13, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather not spend..
$4 mill on Matt Crapps…..actually I don’t really care…I just wanted to call him Matt Crapps….I bet he never heard that one before while he was growing up.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 13, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's not a whole lot of other places for us to spend money
It’s hard to uprgrade 3B and outside of Holliday, LF wouldn’t cost that much.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 13, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He won't even cost that much
no-one will be in a hurry to give a failed closer with a near-6 ERA that sort of money. File under “reclamation project”. I’d be surprised if he got much more than $2m, and I’d happily give him that. I agree he’s a decent reboung candidate. I doubt anyone sees him as a closer, however.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is...
aside from Ed Wade, Dayton Moore, and, perhaps, Brian Sabean, everyone knows to look beyond the ugly ERA. There’s no way his salary will go down in 2010.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but you have to assume the Pirates were open to trading him before they non tendered him
All it would of taken was a C prospect to get him. Hard to read the market
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I don’t see a lot of interest in Capps, frankly. And there WERE some concerning signs in his contact and BIP numbers last year (also, I think he had an injury at one point, though I don’t remember exactly, as Grabow took over the 9th inning for a short while). There are still 3 or 4 closers on the market for teams that need one. Maybe he won’t take a pay cut, but I’m guessing a large raise/multi-year deal is unlikely.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 14, 2009 4:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is funny because the guy we recently acquired
Ben Jukich nickname from the Reds is Soul Sucker
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT
Great post btw. I always thought Reyes would succeed away from Duncan.
Duncan was on the Hot Corner and speaking with Goold. Just a few notes.
On Brad Penny
- Duncan is excited!
- Doesn’t think Penny has ever pitched to his full potential at any point in his career
- needs to mix his speed, he likes him pitching fast but wants him to throw something besides just fastball and slider. (needs an effective offspeed)
Note: This does NOT mean ditching the 4 seamer for a sinker
On the 5th starter spot:
- why are you asking me this now? It isn’t even Christmas
On Franklin closing
- Believes Ryan is better when feeling physically stronger. Last year they believed he wore down.
- Would like to add someone that could take some saves and give him rest
- This could be Motte
- This could also be Boggs!?!
by Evilfrog on Dec 13, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HFS
great write up
intriiiigggguiiiing, even.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs as closer?
my interest is piqued…he’s got the stuff for it…just needs to stop handing out free passes
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 13, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Dec 13, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the boggs
was a closer in college
not so far fetched
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
by sportsman on Dec 13, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had hair in college.
Things change.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 14, 2009 5:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I want to see some Pitch/Fx of Penny about his Curveball
He used to have a decent one till last year when it fell apart. Maybe had something to do with the Surgery.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
up 3 at home against the pirates
boggs or motte
up by one, frizzy
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
by sportsman on Dec 13, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's delivering pies.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't last sunday either
fired?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like his stuff...
a lot but he’s kind of a one-trick pony. Maybe he could deliver Pitch f/x in verse…
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking forward to Pitch/Fx stuff about Penny today
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Pitch F/X in iambic pentameter would be malista.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Dec 13, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's really busy for the next few weeks
he’ll be back soon.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Fabulous Festivus?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Dec 14, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Christmas wish list
Wang on incentive laced deal with low base salary
Arredondo with an eye for 2011
CUST!!!!!!!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 13, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh
and Holliday of course
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 13, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cust...ard?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mmmm
boiled custard
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 13, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goold...
with an intriguing tweet.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i would like
to guarantee him around $2MM and maybe incentives up to 5
seems worth it and he’s a perfect DD guy. if we get lucky and wang and penny are both back to form and carp and waino are carp and waino, then we have one hell of a rotation. hell, maybe even lohse becomes 2008 lohse again
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
intriiiiiggguiiing
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uh
I dunno Wang scares the shit out of me. he did pretty terribly when he was injured. sort of like Mulder did with us. Yankees kept trying to bring him back and every time he came back he did terribly. sort of like Mulder did with us.
by Ghosty on Dec 13, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i get the feeling
you are trying to make some sort of…comparison…or something
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
I heard a very convincing pitch to Doug Melvin.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"When Franklin taxed" = "We don't want Franklin to close"
SMOLTZ
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Dec 13, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
man
i really really want some jonny gomes on the bench
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have him on our side..
during a bench-clearing Brawl..
http://media.photobucket.com/image/jonny%20gomes%20fight/onermedboxer/060608_jonny_gomes.jpg
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 13, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, dang
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Were it not me posting drunk so late last night/this morning about Reyes you might not have been able to post this. ;)
Great story!
by Ghosty on Dec 13, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tales of Ghosty: The Only Man Who Follows Baseball
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 13, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Base.... what?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear
None of us actually wants to sign Iron Bill right? He is injured and he is not that good anymore. I mean Chris Lambert is probably better than him
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I need someone to clean my garage.
by Mister Eff on Dec 13, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Jeff Fassero is looking for some work
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Bennett too.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And help you build a fire pit!
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minor league contract
If flat bill agreed to a minor league deal, why not? I like Boggs and Hawk much better in the bullpen. McClellan scares me in the bullpen. Don’t want to see him as a starter. Lynn isn’t ready. We’re putting all our eggs in the Garcia basket for 5th starter (which I’m fine with so long as we have a descent Plan B). Adding flat bill to the mix could only help … if not the LaDuncan hatred. I’m sure ARey gets minor league offers from other teams so, from his standpoint, he’s better off going somewhere else. Is Plan B Ben Jukich?
by jjray on Dec 13, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
look down
Reyes already resigned with Indians. He won’t be ready mid season regardless.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minorleagueball.com John Sickles has up
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Awful high on Stock...
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Dec 13, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i am really high on Stock
Guy just has so much upside. I bet if he would of just graduated high school normally and not gone to college he would of been a 1st round pick.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except
He didn’t do that and proceeded to hit like an undrafted FA in college.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 13, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in a tough division and he is still only 19
He rocked the Appalachian league this year with guys his own age.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Powered by a .360 BABIP
He was a year younger than a normal college kid, it’s not like he was this 14 year old who couldn’t hit in college. It’s the same as a college sophomore hitting .226 .354 .453, and even that isn’t a good analogy because he had an extra year of experience. It’s rookie ball, Johnson Cityites Matthew Adams and Luis Mateo and Michael Swinson killed the Appy league at 19 too.
It’s a good pick to see if he can re-capture what scouts saw when he was 16, but I’m not counting on it and having 95 with little pitching experience is a good “backup” plan.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 13, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most scouts seemed to like his pitching upside more than his catching
Seems like all around a solid pick
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not counting on it either....
but like John says in his post: If he figures it out with the bat, he’s a C with 30 HR power potential. Those are pretty damn rare. He’s got pretty good plate discipline, he just needs to make better contact.
I think everyone was surprised that the organization was putting him behind the plate because everyone loves his pitching potential. Seems like a solid back up plan if his hitting doesn’t work out the next couple of years, and he could still hit the majors as a pitcher by the time he’s 25 or so.
We used to bitch and complain that Mo and Co. never took any high upside picks in the draft, now we’re bitching and complaining when they take high upside picks in the draft? I mean, they really can’t win with some of you guys. They didn’t take Stock thinking that he was going to help at the MLB level in 2010, they took him thinking that he had a lot of upside potential — if you look at this pick like that, I don’t see how you can’t be happy with it.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
by fourstick on Dec 13, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not many prospects have so much potential playing both catcher and pitcher
If he flames out as a catcher we get a second chance with him as a pitcher, and he’s got good potential at both. And he’s really young. The more I think about it the more excited I get that we got him.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Dec 14, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah the pick utterly baffled me
but now I really like it. Getting a guy with first-round upside in the second round has to be a decent move.
However, I must admit that my view on the move has to have been somewhat sub-consciously improved by the fact that he hit so solidly in the Appy league last year which, as joker points out, doesn’t really mean a great deal for a 19-year-old with significant college experience. Still, he’s a catcher – the bar is low, and like everyone else, I love the potential fallback of turning him into Motte v.2.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 15, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't look crazy...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 15, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
working on
his Dreamy Joe smile
and his Freese impression (j/k)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's beautiful.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 16, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is goofy looking as all get-out.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 16, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which of course = beautiful to ClemsonGirl
as we all know.
Just teasing you cgirl, but it’s true.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Dec 16, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she'll think that till he's a babydaddy, I guess.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 16, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least then the kid will come from good... Stock?
I’ll be here all week, folks.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Dec 16, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Colby is still beautiful.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 16, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope he's right
we need some impact talent
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looks good
this line bugs me re Freese “injury was badly timed.” Exactly when is the timing good for any injury? All in all, a good overall assessment.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 13, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8) David Freese, 3B, Grade C+: Almost a B-, injury was badly timed, turns 27 in April, looks like a .270 hitter with 20 homer power, solid glove.
this is bullshit – a .270 hitter, with an average walkrate, 20-HR power and an above average glove is a 4 win player. He’s in AAA, and is only a C+??? Just to be clear, I’m not questionning the grade (I don’t think freese’ll be more than a league average-type), but if he hits .270+ and hits 20 homers in a major league season, I’ll be pretty impressed/surprised, given the quality of his glove…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also
Tyler Norrick?!?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is his age my guess that down grades him
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, a peak year .270 20+ HR and plus glove
is a lot different than an annual .270 20+ HR and plus glove.
The former makes sense as a C+ prospect, the latter does not.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He would be a B to B+....
except that he’s 27 years old and has very little MLB experience. That’s my guess anyway.
I think that SIckels is stating that he has the potential and tools to be a .270 hitter with 20 HR power, because that’s what he’s done in the minors. I don’t think that he’s saying that’s likely or predicting that will happen.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
by fourstick on Dec 13, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
he’s never had an ops less than .800, never really hit less than .300 and never had an obp less than .360 in the minors
i think it’s plenty realistic for him to end up being a .270/20 guy reasonably soon
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well players do peak around 27
so if it’s not soon ,then it’s probably not going to happen
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indians severely joss Cardinals blogger DanUp!
ClemsonGirl not available for comment.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I think the events of last night, faithfully transcribed here, had a lot to do with Reyes’s decision to resign with the Indians.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're really Charon, aren't you
let us know when the tell-all book — Three Ferries in December? — comes out
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How quickly this article becomes irrelevant
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
somebody post in that thread on my behalf
to rep some grabiel
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reply fail
the prospects post
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i broke my mouse rec'ing this
holy crap you’re good dan
now, where do i buy a new mouse, and which one do i buy? anyone? anyone?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i know
i am sad that i am at work and have little to focus on besides work and igor stravinsky
i need at least two more distractions
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gay porn.
knitting.
you’re welcome.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't the cards supposed
To hear back from Boras today?
by mattyp on Dec 13, 2009 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
sometime
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"now, class, if you would open your ether-texts to hyperlink 79, i'd like us to revisit early-21 century uses of
magical realism. in its third incarnation, magical realism began to appear in non-traditional media, such as early blog posts. as an example, included in your ether texts is the early essay by renowned playwright danup baby, entitled “non-tendered is the night.” now, you’ll have to make extensive use of the footnote links to decipher some of the intricacies of the topic, like the rules of major league baseball contract making and the role of obscure baseball player anthony reyes. but you can see in this early text the themes that would populate later major works by mr. baby, like his three-act work, ‘the revenge and redemption of the ghost of chris lambert;’ his comic novel ‘mang-tastic,’ and his political satire ‘corky ramirez grows a mustache.’ would anyone like to contrast the use of magical realism in this essay with the earlier usages in works like ‘100 years of solitude’?"
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 13, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
I loved "100 years of solitude" Marquez's work is great
but no I would not like to contrast the essay with his.
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
though I was more fond of " A Very Old Man with Enormous Wings"
because of it’s message.
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I read "100 years..." as a teenager and it confused the fuck out of me.
When you need a flowchart for a book something’s not right.
I still have nightmares of “As I lay Dying” too. I was 13 or so trying to understand Faulkner. Took me half way through to get what was going on.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 13, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand the frustrations with "100 years..."
due to the fact that there were so many characters with similar names (aureliano, aureliano jose, jose aureliano,etc….) and how characters were dieing left and right of each other. Then there was that ghost somewhere in the middle with the dad.
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a kid. Many things confused me.
It took me forever to figure out who “Providence” was in James Fenimore Cooper’s books.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 13, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never read Marquez, but Faulkner is hard to understand, period
In fact I’m pretty impressed that you gave it a try at age 13.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Dec 14, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should be green, dammit.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 13, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Corky Ramirez Grows a Mustache...
hahahahahahaha
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 14, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i, too, love this post
and although i have nothing to add, i wish to place a comment in this thread so that i don’t fade into ghosthood myself.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Dec 13, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ahh yes now it all comes back to me
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he needs to take that coat-hanger out...
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 14, 2009 5:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo, Danup!
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Dec 13, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm wonder what is up
Joe Strauss on his Twitter said to check on STLToday around midnight.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he's going to announce that he has personally torn matt holliday's contract to shreds
and stomped on the pieces.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn and i have to work at 8am
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to guess it's going to be Boras rejecting the offer.
Strauss probably wet his shorts that he’s the one who gets to be the bearer of bad news.
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Dec 13, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most likely.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the title for this Fox Sports article by Rosenthal that got taken down
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you google 'Matt Holliday reject' you will find it
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all i got was an image of the playoffs
j/k i had to
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Dec 14, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if they're merely changing it to
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 13, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rosenthal is a pretty shoddy journalist at times
I have seen his articles get taken down multiple times right after they got put up.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Dec 14, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that link seems to be broken, joker
shame.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 14, 2009 5:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could it mean he was wrong
and Holliday is accepting the offer?
Man, that would be SWEET.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt Joe could keep his mouth shut that long
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's certainly holding out on this article.
Dammit, I just realized it’s 11:21 in Stl, not 12:21. 40 more min. of waiting.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Dec 14, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will not be happy if I stay up another 40 min
only to find out it’s nothing interesting at all.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to stay up another 32 minutes
I’ll find out in the morning
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it will be anything worthwhile
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it is worthwhile it certainly won't be good news.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Dec 14, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
needs unicorns
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right in time for me to finish illegally watching Dexter once someone uploads it
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 13, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh....
OK, I’m going to say it: How about some straight forward posts with some relatively straight-forward analysis? Why does it always have to be on the creative tip around here anymore? If it’s not that, it’s sabre metric over-drive, littered with 30-odd inside jokes that aren’t that funny to begin with. All so the author can preach to the geek choir? I like literature. I read it regularly. This ain’t it.
Yes, some may like it, and they’ll no doubt come to the author’s defense, but reading this type of thing is nauseating after the first paragraph. If I want a play, I’ll read one. I like to read literature, just not when I’m interested in news and analysis on the local baseball team.
And no, I’m not trolling. if there was an Ombudsman, I’d take it up with them privately.
by mwrg on Dec 13, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But you are trolling
And 16 recs to this post speak differently. I don’t know who you are. I am tired of people making complaints about VEB but never add anything to the community. You want straight forward analysis but nothing with saber metrics in it? Gotcha maybe this would be a better outlet for ya
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 13, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I Bet...
…he’s a burger-eatin’ cow-hater too!
>=8/
Oh, wait a sec…
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Dec 13, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, you can email him privately.
And if you get past the play form (if it’s not you thing), the post gives you quite a few non tender candidates the Cardinals might have interest in. To be honest, that’s really the only news on a day like today.
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Dec 13, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'd probably rather read some awesome analysis
but news is kinda dry right now
this was entertaining enough
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 13, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there's no ombudsman
but you can e-mail me, and cut out the blog commentary middlemen.
If you don’t like it, though, I apologize; this is how I write, especially in the offseason. And I write this way because it’s what I’d like to read.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 13, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
You are always free to make a fanpost
Of your own in-depth analysis. I happen to like these occasional Posts, but if you think they deprive the site of an opportunity for much-needed analysis, then feel free to contribute your own Work and be part of the solution.
by mattyp on Dec 13, 2009 11:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It's early December
There’s zero news, the Holliday thing has been beaten to the glue factory, the non-Holliday LF options have been beaten to death, the 3B possibilities has been beaten to death, all other FA situations have been beaten to death, Allen Craig is still on a milk carton etc etc etc. There’s not that much analysis that can be done on players who weren’t good enough for their teams to offer them contracts in a system that is supposed to discount them.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 13, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thought i'd mention that lboros asked danup to take over veb.
anyway, i’m pretty in awe that these guys come up with solid work on a daily basis. seems silly to bitch when it’s not exactly your cup of tea.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 13, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and free!!!!!!!!!
hfhs, get a grip
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
by sportsman on Dec 14, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hfhs?
Holy fucking horseshit?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Henry Ford High School
At least I’m pretty sure that’s what it means.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Dec 14, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here I am ready to defend the author
Though he really doesn’t need my help. I think his work can speak for itself. I guess I’m a geek. I like a little preaching now and then, especially on a Sunday.
by momup on Dec 14, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He does. He had nothing to do with my comment.
I read this blog too and as far as I know can comment as long as it isn’t offensive. If mine is, let me know
by momup on Dec 14, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably the coolest mom of all time.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 14, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Moms!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 14, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you don't have anything nice or constructive to say, then please, kindly,
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Dec 14, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't quite agree with him
Though to be honest, I would really prefer a blog that was just Cardinals, not someone’s attempt to use an audience for one thing (a sports team) and try to use it to push his comedy act (or whatever).
Beyond that it would be very nice to filter all the nonsense comments that baseball threads also devolve into. Maybe have tags. Baseball related, non baseball related?
Indeed, another baseball blog with a similar problem (only his case its politics instead of attempted comedy) is Baseball Crank.
Anyway, while yes, it is the middle of winter, and so slow. But at the same time, there is still Cardinal related news. The offer to Holiday. Freese getting arrested with a DWI. But there’s no place to discuss it apparently, since this thread is just full of clique-ish talking and posted “funny” pictures
by DiscoJer on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously??
Here’s the generic roster talk thread if you want: http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/12/7/1189179/some-like-it-hot-part-two-all-new
The Freese news was just at ~12 and there are plenty of comments. Holliday resigning has been discussed by Cardinals fans the trade with the Rockies was first proposed, and there have been plenty of comments in the last couple of daily threads. And I’m not in one of these “cliques”, but I can say that this is the best Cardinals blog I’ve been to.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freese DWI hadn't occurred when this post went up.
Holliday offer hasn’t had terms announced. So we’re all talking out our asses on that one.
Anthony Reyes has been a major source of contention on this site and among Cardinals fans, and I think danup’s play was a playful way of talking about Reyes without having the comments turn into a plenty-hashed argument.
And whether you or others like it or not, at least people here are trying to have a good time.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 14, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tis the season to be jolly
What’s wrong with a bit of humor if you still get your point across. If you see a post that isn’t your cup of tea get your drink elsewhere.
by momup on Dec 14, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about some straight forward posts with some relatively straight-forward analysis?
The baseball off-season is like 5 months of the year. There’s really only so much dry, analytical baseball stuff to talk about.
Calling a blog piece “nauseating” when you have neither paid for it nor contributed much of anything to the forum itself is pretty pathetic IMO.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 14, 2009 5:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...
If I want a play, I’ll read one
Okay so you come on here and see there is a play and you don’t feel like reading a play so then you don’t read it, until of course you feel like reading a play because it is very good. And there aren’t really that many inside jokes in it. Problem solved.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 14, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if there are inside jokes
we can just ask about them and someone will post a quick reply. The blogers here are verrrry helpful.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Dec 14, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
if you then click on his player link, you see this juicy tidbit of info:
Anderson should see time in the show in 2009, and if he performs well, he’ll be the Cards’ everyday catcher by the end of the year.
Really?? Do these people even follow baseball?
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Dec 14, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
brilliant
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they think
that our molina is bengie and that he’s leaving?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that they had him...
as the 37th best prospect in all of baseball. What a bunch of dipshits…
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely moronic for so many different reasons....
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite
is how anderson is unranked on all of the other lists the site gives
Ranking in ScoutingBook (12/13/2009): #37
Ranking in Baseball America 2009: n/a
Ranking in Baseball Prospectus: Unranked
Ranking in MiLB.com 2009 Season Preview Unranked
Ranking from the Sporting News: Unranked
Ranking from ESPN: Unranked
Which one is unlike the others???
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Dec 14, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so in this site's world we could trade Anderson for Michael Taylor
i really wish Anderson was that good.
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if anderson's bat was that good he would be moved to second or into the outfield
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is about
19 runs below average with the bat and about 12 runs below average on defense.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't saying he isn't that bad
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I am laughing and I can't get to sleep
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Dec 14, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, check this out
i dunno if that link will work, but if you google “matt holliday reject” and then click on news at the top, you get this snippet from the rosenthal article
The Cardinals last week offered free-agent left fielder Matt Holliday an eight-year contract for between $100 million and $110 million, according to a …
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 12:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i mean,
i heard about and offer of 8/96 and thought it was pretty unrealistic, but man, that’s quite the lowball, but i guess way more years than he’s likely to get otherwise. still only a $13.75MM AAV. that’s barely more than he made in ’09
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he made more in '09
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
13.5 according to cots
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT06zo0dZK0YMA
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think there's any way that there's a ton of deferred money or something?
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be moronic if it was backloaded
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if anything...
it should be massively frontloaded for the first 2 years…
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time you saw a front loaded contract for any team or anyone?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod kinda
Which is why his deal is underrated…
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 14, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Rodriguez contract
08:$27M, 09:$32M, 10:$32M, 11:$31M, 12:$29M, 13:$28M, 14:$25M, 15:$21M, 16:$20M, 17:$20M
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Underrated from A-Rod's perspective
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 14, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
backloaded contracts make them entirely un-tradeable during the end of the deal (i.e. vernon wells)
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Vernon Wells contract was cut in half
It would be still impossible to trade him.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember seeing that when it first came out
and I thought, that will be a disaster if they can’t trade him before his value collapses.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 14, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again
Why is it worse, from the club’s perspective, to owe a player money in the future, versus having already paid him the money? The club can just include cash with any deal they make, making the deal effectively identical to having paid him more up front. And the club has the advantage of payroll flexibility in the short term.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Dec 14, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha...i wasn't serious...
I was just thinking it’d be a lot easier to sign pujols to an extention if Matt were only making say 15 mill a season
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if we paid Holliday about 30 million over the next two
then 9M the remaining it could work.
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it probably is that
But also deferred money. Cardinals love to do this. Under Pujols current contract we will still be paying in 2029. Seriously
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think the why they do that
is because they can put less money into and an account and let it draw interest up to the amount that they will owe him. also means that the money we’ll be paying him then, won’t count against our 2029 payroll
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which means pujols is being paid 12M annually
that is bull crap
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals will pay Pujols 10 installments of $1.2M from 2020 to 2029
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but what i'm trying to say
is that that salary is already paid for. for instance (and i’m going to simplify it for the sake of avoiding too much math and assume things i don’t know), they owe him $12MM over that period of time. they could either just take it out of the salary from that period of time or right now they could put ~$5.5MM into and account with a 4% interest rate that is compounded continuously and 20 years from now (2029), it is worth the $12MM that we owe him
don’t know if that makes sense
even if it’s only compounded annually, it still only costs the cards about $6MM. i think it’s a good idea
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I understand it is beneficial to the Cardinals if they do it
But I can’t imagine all players like the idea of getting paid 20 years from now for work they are doing currently. Deferred money is the real Home Town discount. Renteria walked over deferred money. But on the same note sports athletes can do a poor job managing money. If you could get a little fairer terms it makes sense for players even much smaller amounts to have deferred money. Pretty much a Cardinal pension. The MLB though has a better union than the NFL.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if i were a player, i would like that
1.2 million a year for ten years after i stop playing would be nice
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer to take my money now and buy my own annuity
It probably has more favorable terms than one constructed by the team in their interest.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
good point
why not do both, though?
either way, the cards weren’t going to spread out 12MM more over his current contract
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah with inflation that 1.2 is more like 700K today
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should force NBA players to do this
Maybe then Antoine Walker wouldn’t be forced into the poor house in 2 years.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 14, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the casino industry is suffering!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 14, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Jordan and Charles Barkeley have it covered.
Don’t worry.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 14, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not while I'm on the prowl
At the current pace I’m going, I’ll put the Isle of Capri out of business by 2258! Small sample size variance in dice probability has been favorable to me the past two weeks.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 14, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8 years?!?!
HFS®
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Source says less than $18 million annually.
Yea, no kidding, apparently.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The strauss article...
could it be regarding David Freese….There is a tab that says “Cards’ Freese”…but no story to go with it.
I don’t think it’d be news to anyone that Holliday is rejecting the Cards first and perhaps only offer – especially if its in the 8 years and 100-110 million range…..isn’t it odd how even we as fans, can look at this and determine that its “insulting” to offer the man this kind of contract?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 12:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
and now the tab is gone...
of course
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damnit
I don’t want to stay up another 15 minutes just to hear about Freese. But I can’t go to bed now. I’m invested.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know you're just going to check back in 15 minutes
might as well stay
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know.
and then i thought, what if this is just some evil plot by straussie to get me to read STLtoday when nothing newsworthy is actually breaking? would not be that surprising.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that thought came to me as well
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably did up traffic at the website tonight.
I’m gonna be pissed if there’s nothing within the next ten minutes or so.
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Dec 14, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he meant midnight
hawaii time.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pissed that it's midnight and I'm waiting for some news that's probably going to be bad
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Dec 14, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
okay
it’s midnight. where is the news?
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
6ly
anyone follow that douchebag on twitter?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 14, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing new there either.
He hit it good. He hit it good.
by Jack618 on Dec 14, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that Strauss got annoyed
Someone asked if it would just be a Hector Luna resigning or some other irrelevant news.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
With undeveloped Rams rookie quarterback Keth Null starting and appearing in a regular-season NFL game for the first time, the Titans ripped into the Rams faster than it takes baseball agent Scott Boras to reject a home-team discount for Matt Holliday. Titans running back Chris Johnson made a couple of video-game moves, and even before Alex Barron could draw his first false start penalty the Rams were down 14-0.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no moar handegg
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 14, 2009 5:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be funny if it was just that they needed a spike in traffic in the next 24 hours
in order to make a little more money in advertising?
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 14, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, it wouldn't be funny
it would be annoying. Point taken though.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 14, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and typical.
damnit strauss some of us actually work for a living.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe funny isn't the best word.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 14, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just speculation I think
Bird is the word.
by The_teague on Dec 14, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
frank cusamano says
it’s 5/15-16
according to some stltodayer
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that makes more sense to me
You kind of half to low bid if your real final offer is $17.5-$18M
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would like to go to bed now
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
we will regret staying up for this, I’m certain of it.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me too....
Im giving it 20 minutes
Bird is the word.
by The_teague on Dec 14, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn it's been 15 minutes and no news
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Freese - arrested on DWI
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 1:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
6ly?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is that all
I know it’s bad and everything ,but I wanted some good news
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sources say
he was with LaRussa?
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Dec 14, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if thats what i stayed up for
I’m finding strauss and punching him in his old man junk. I mean, DUI/DWI is very 6 and all, but not something that I should stay up and fret about.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding.
how is that worth a mysterious tweet?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
especially
with the 48 hour window for expecting to hear something from boras. He knew he was playing off of that to pimp that craphole site.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 14, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jebus.
What a dumbass.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both Strauss and Freese.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for clarifying
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 14, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was necessary to include Strauss in my blanket condemnation.
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by spants on Dec 14, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny part of this was I went straight to thinking you meant Strauss
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 14, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and rosenthal for making this suck even more
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but, nah
i’m gonna need a source
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah me to
it’s still speculation
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're getting a kick at watching these people believe this arent you?
Bird is the word.
by The_teague on Dec 14, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good lord
I try to give the p-d guys the benefit of the doubt, because they have a harder job than bloggers do, but that tweet is, if such a thing is possible, flat-out, implicit dishonesty.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 14, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He totally baited us.
I didn’t know it was possible to dislike him even more.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 14, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't the more approriate tweet have been...
“Big news on Freese – check stltoday around midnight”
or
“David Freese arrested on DWI – details on stltoday around midnight”
He’s an asshole and he knew exactly what he was doing
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Strauss is spending his Monday morning
laughing at all these subthreads. Seriously.
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by azruavatar on Dec 14, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it's fair.
We laugh at him plenty.
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by spants on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Strauss as little as the next guy
But I’ve always kinda thought Twitter was the place you put mildly relevant/irrelevant musings. He didn’t necessarily tee it up as a huge story either. Also, if a journalist has a huge story, he isn’t going to sit on it and tease it for risk of getting beat on a scoop. I’d like to get worked up about this, but I can’t. Maybe that is because I can’t stand twitter as a general rule, anyway.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 14, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but why tell people to stay up and even give it the appearance
of something significant. A pro athlete getting a DWI is pretty routine (unfortunately), certainly people did not need to be dishonestly induced into staying up for it when they could have very easily read it in the morning without losing anything. This was like the weather man telling everybody to stay up for a special report at midnight, then coming on the air and telling people the temperature. That would be ass clownish, which is a typical quality of ass clowns, such as giant ass clown Joe Strauss.
by mattyp on Dec 14, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i still thought it was news worthy
I can understand why he did it. I personally just don’t care that much.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I can see what you’re getting at. I’m a night owl, so maybe it is a case of me not putting myself in other peoples shoes. I just think I had faitrly low expectations, and they were pretty much met. If he had something about Holliday rejecting the offer, accepting the offer, whatever…he isn’t teasing something like that and risking getting beat by Olney, Gammons, Rosenthal, etc. And let’s face it, it is a story. This is the second offseason in a row that the guy gets in his own way. He has proven nothing yet, and is trying to break through for his dream job with his dream team, and he shows signs that he isn’t taking the opportunity serious enough.
Of course, none of this changes the fact that Joe Strauss is an ass clown. Maybe I already had his assclownishness baked into the cake.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 14, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
And I love the weather analogy, but you know that is pretty close to what they will do. If there is potential for 1-2 inches of snow, they’ll go into “storm mode” and tease it up big time every commercial break.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 14, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you haven't been reading Strauss's twitter on a regular basis, then.
it’s basically the same as he usually is. 24-7. what mattyp said.
contrast it with every other St. Louis sports journalist’s twitter feed, and there’s nothing subtle about it, either.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well that was weak
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by prophetjohn on Dec 14, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
effin strauss.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Dec 14, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's ruining my good name
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Dec 14, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which is why i always write f'in
that way there’s no confusion
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by gdm426 on Dec 14, 2009 3:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I waited for this? Wow.
Bird is the word.
by The_teague on Dec 14, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah first the spring training accident now this
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, how many times does he want to screw himself out of the starting 3B job?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 14, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hw was upset about the rankings by sickel
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by CodyG on Dec 14, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really sure this qualifies
Considering the manager. No offense to Tony, but he can’t exactly dock Freese too much.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 14, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
luggage.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 1:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
might not be up to Tony.
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by spants on Dec 14, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to me it sounds like MO & DeWitt are ready to cut him loose
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by gdm426 on Dec 14, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be pretty disappointed if that was the case.
He’s pretty much exactly what the club needs, and he’ll cost millions more to replace on the market.
This obviously isn’t good for Freese, but I don’t think it should be cause for removal as the starter. As mattyp said, it’s sad but fairly routine. Let it go for now and just make sure he doesn’t screw up again.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 14, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't, who knows if he wasn't shit faced last jan when he wrecked?
the Cards have a substance abuse problem that is very public knowledge & puts the entire organization in a bad light. they had a freaking player die because he was drunk driving, they can’t just let another player get a DUI & let it go. i’m not saying they should cut him, but i wouldn’t be upset at all if they did.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Dec 14, 2009 3:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before
I’d rather they put a million dollars into a better medical / substance abuse program than anything else.
it’s just got to be better than this.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no reason why all pro & college teams don't have a car service
for their players. none whatsoever. there is no reason any player should be driving himself around when he’s out. not when there’s so many lives, reps, & of course money on the line if he wraps his car around a tree.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Dec 14, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
otoh it's the offseason
we don’t know that there isn’t a buddy system, a car service, counseling, etc. etc. available during the season.
i’m guessing it’s nonfeasible to keep those facilities going when everyone’s scattered. unless you’re Kung Fu Panda and you’ve got some pounds to lose.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bistate is only operating those routes while the funding lasts
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Strauss is such a twat
he knew people would assume it was Holliday related
by mattyp on Dec 14, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
hope he tweeted he was a twat too
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Dec 14, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more pissed
but I stayed up late to watch the finale of Dexter. HFS. I’m still too blown away by that to muster the appropriate disdain for Strauss
by mattyp on Dec 14, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd have been more pissed...
had it turned out that the cardinals offered holliday 13.75 mill per season and tried to play it off as a serious effort to sign him
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 14, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I was awake for a reason...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
why is everyone on here acting like kids all of a sudden?
The guy just said something to the effect of “cards fans should check the site around midnight”
I guess I dont see what the big deal is.
I mean alcohol has been a big issue in this clubhouse and im sure players know this, this could (maybe) put him in a bad spot come spring.
We might decide to move on and sign someone now, if we werent already.
by jealousblues on Dec 14, 2009 2:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
kind of how I feel
minus acting like kids part
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
B/c the Holliday "deadline"
is now-ish. People had that on their minds, and Strauss easily could’ve mentioned that it wasn’t Holliday related.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 14, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess I was coming from the school of
if Kennedy wanting to be traded is a bombshell, Holliday would be planets colliding…
and he didnt really try to make much of it at all.
by jealousblues on Dec 14, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i can understand that
I was googling Matt Holliday every couple of minutes
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 14, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because joe strauss
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Dec 14, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because this is like trolling with plausible deniability
with perfectly good reasons like those you just cited to cover his ass. no offense to you, it’s just too frickin’ obvious. every other twitter feed can and have said “story coming up” and/or — more likely — just post the link when it happens.
he knows people are watching his feed. he’s fucking with us, and probably us (bloggers) in particular.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he dislike bloggers?
I dont know too much about him
by jealousblues on Dec 14, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let's let the man speak for himself
Cougar2011: Joe, someone on Cards Talk is saying that the Cardinals had lined up a trade that would have sent Duncan to Boston. Everyone and their brother know this is some made up stuff by a poster with too much time on his hands, but why not see if a credible source has a take on it. Do you believe it is true?
Joe Strauss: It’s hard to address stuff floated by people with pretend names who don’t even site "industry" or "club" sources. It doesn’t mean it’s wrong, just that I wouldn’t bank on it. Derrick Goold is in Houston and may have more direct insight on the suggestion.
Joe Strauss: I don’t see how Lincecum wins an award with a higher ERA than Carp and fewer innings and wins than Waino. The spreadsheet guys could give you an argument, no doubt, but until we start feeding numbers into HAL the computer, common sense will likely prevail.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ehhh, that cake was kinda lame
another try
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the unicorn thing?
Sorry I havent been around a lot lately
by jealousblues on Dec 14, 2009 3:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a fairly new meme
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/10/19/1090784/adam-wainwright-and-late-blooming#23033279
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 3:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That first quote still pisses me off.
He got scooped badly on that story though.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Dec 14, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he hadn't taken the shot
no one would’ve know that he was scooped
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 14, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
literacy
DanUpBaby,
sorry, I didn’t have the strength to finish the drama (I got thru the first two rings), Maybe tomorrow! But I must tell you, that not having followed VEB since LB left, I was delighted to open it and be treated to classic Mythology. (Even if your Limbo styx in my craw). I have decided to translate the column into rhyming vulgate Italian! Bravo!
by dembitz on Dec 15, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've had way too much coffee today
and I don’t trust SBN
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 19, 2009 12:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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