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chaut stove season

a special season is upon us. one we look forward to all year. this special season commemorates events of thousands of years past.

in the days of king solomon, solomon was both the king of the nation of israel and the general manager of the local team, the jerusalem stars. the stars had grown tired of being dominated by the philistines and amalekites in the eastern mediterranean league by their unholy brand of Base-Ba'al.

solomon saw an opportunity when phlebas the phoenician came on the free agent market, a highly-touted left fielder who made his name playing for the city of tyre.

phlebas was a fine fielder and an extraordinary hitter, yet his contract expectations were said to be enormous. he was rumored to want 19 million shekels each season over eight seasons. solomon checked his treasury, and though he was wealthy enough to afford to pay the 19 million shekels over one season, no one believed he could afford to pay phlebas the full eight seasons. in the face of arguments and predictions of financial doom from his advisors, solomon signed the eight-year contract for the full amount.

once phlebas took the field, a miracle occurred; the nineteen million shekels was mystically replenished each season, and phlebas was paid from the treasury over all eight seasons. never did the weight of the unprecedented contract hold down the development of the team. phlebas went on to win 2 MVP awards in that period and the stars clinched five championships in eight years. 

the flags from those championship years flew proudly over the stadium grounds for a thousand years until the romans demolished the stadium in 70 A.D. to build a Super Target and a Bed, Bath, and Beyond on the site.

so much for flags flying forever.

in honor of this miracle, every year we celebrate chaut stove season  - marked by the refrain "why is this jon heyman tweet different from all the other jon heyman tweets?" - every day for eight days or until the yankees have signed all the good players, whichever comes first.

Star-divide

 

well, the chaut stove is glowing red hot right now. a lot has happened in the last week or so.


the big news is the penny signing i think there's a lot to like about it. there's been some discussion about durability for penny. it's a real consideration, but it's nothing to lose sleep over. i bet penny throws more innings than lohse this year. he's been compared to two other recent signings in terms injury issues. some of this has revolved around one of my baseball pet peeves - lumping very different players together with the same qualifier. in this case "injury prone"; e.g., "why do the cardinals need another injury prone pitcher?" well, yes, penny is injury prone. but all injury prone pitchers are not created alike. check out these numbers.


Name

Age

3 season IP total

3 season IP avg

5 season IP total

5 season IP avg

Brad Penny

31

476

158.7

840.33

168

Randy Wolf

33

507.33

169.1

621

124.2

Rich Harden

28

293.67

97.7

468

93.6


while wolf has had two solid seasons in a row, he's also closing in on 34 and has had a number of seasons of poor durability in recent history. rich harden is just not regularly putting out the innings, though he clearly has a higher ceiling than either of the others. penny, by contrast is a pretty steady 160 inning man. when we say he's injury prone, that means he misses 6-8 starts a year usually. harden may have provided more value, but penny is the surer bet to meet your innings needs. as for wolf, i'm glad we're not paying him to be 36 years old. 

nor does it seem that penny has lingering effects from his shoulder injury in 2008. consider that penny's average FB speed over his career has been 93.4 mph. last season it was 94.0 mph, his best EVER speed. penny's problems last year probably had little to do with the injury. he brought his K rate down a bit off his career K rate (5.66 k/9 v. a career 6.29). he did generate fewer of his hallmark groundballs (43.7 % v. a career 45.3%). he got unlucky with LOB (67.1%). he was also playing in boston in the toughest division in baseball for much of the season with some suspect defenders (mike lowell, julio lugo, youkilis at third) in the infield for a groundball pitcher (generating a .336 BABIP during his part season there). i'll leave more in-depth looks for the pitch f/x guys (guy?). but i think any hazard in taking him on is far outweighed from the good we're likely to see from him. 

* * *

the penny analysis leads us to another question: where to next? well, i'm glad you asked. if you haven't been following the rants by our local grumpy robot over on futureredbirds.net, you've been missing a treat. bender's twin has put together position-by-position reviews of the team at catcher(focusing on backup), left field, and, his most interesting piece so far, third base.

azru makes an interesting case that freese projects by all measures to be a 2 WAR type 3b - not a bad piece for league min for the next three seasons. this makes investing in the series of 2.5-3 WAR free agents (beltre, crede, derosa, etc.) at third a pretty questionable business, since that extra win or so would come at a multi-million dollar price (as a quibble, i will say some folks could definitely call beltre more a 4 win player than a 3 win player). even so, it's important to remember that replacement value at third is not, for the cards, replacement value. if we pay for a free agent, we'll be paying for the benefit over and above a 2 WAR type performance from freese.

this raises the compelling question of how we can make the club better in other areas. the obvious one is in LF - matt holliday would be a substantial improvement (4 or 5 WAR) over internal options. however, while that may be a sensible place to spend gobs of money this year,  it may not be over the next four, five, six years. there's a big step down to the next best LF options, probably mike cameron, then bay and damon, worth about 3 or 4 WAR (meaning a 2 or 3 WAR improvement over craig). i heard noises about damon wanting 3 years, which i have no interest in, and you probably know my thinking on bay. 

the other obvious place to spend would be to fill the fifth starting role. one of the luxuries of having a farm with garcia and boggs coming out of it is that we could drop some money on a smoltz or a bedard or a duchscherer or a sheets in hopes of having a surprise key performance, yet not be totally stuck if the injured remain injured. smoltz seems like the most plausible of that list, though sheets has a higher ceiling. those options  could plausibly offer a 2-3 WAR bump over a mix-n-match of starting pitching options.

note that with carpenter, penny, and lohse already in the rotation our memphis squad is sure to get plenty of calls; hoping that a squad headed by a guy coming off TJ surgery will cover all the needs created by injury and a full rotation spot may be wishful thinking. duncan has already made noises about not wanting to vest garcia with a spot if his inning count is going to be capped around 80 or 90 innings because of his recovery.

* * *

another big event this year was the rule 5 draft. i really like our results this year, even though they were greeted with some yawns on the boards. ben jukich was our major league rule 5 draft pick. once described as having the best curveball in the A's system, he remains a left-handed groundball artist (running a consistent 50% GB rate). he started 17 games for the reds AAA affiliate last year and appeared in relief numerous times. his K rates have run at 7.76 k/9(last year); 5.96; 7.19; 7.10; 8.41. his control has remained good since his promotion to the high minors: his bb/9 range from a low of 1.59 to a high of 3.50.

contrast him, say, with lance lynn - minor league career GB rate of 47.4%, career K/9 of 7.73, and he comes out looking pretty reasonable. major caveat - lynn is five years younger.

 

jukich is definitely no loogy, either. his splits show no strong bias towards batters of either handedness; he had an FIP of 4.52 to LHB and 4.19 to RHB this year.

i'm not saying jukich is any kind of sure thing; he's marinated far too long in the minors to say that. but he's never had a shot at the big show. my goal for him is brad thompson with at least two pitches, but i think he could be a sleeper candidate to show us even more. he's a groundball artist and a curveball specialist who's going to spend spring training with dave duncan, adam wainwright, and chris carpenter. if he's ever gonna shine, this is his big chance. 

matt meyer is a similarly interesting type. he was taken in the AAA draft from cleveland, which means that we only need to keep him on the memphis roster, not the major league roster, all year to keep him. a perennial reliever, he's had k/9's from 7.94 to 10.80 over numerous levels, averaging out around 9 or so. meyer has NOT been a control artist, though, tossing out some real wild seasons, culminating in a 8.18 BB/9 at AA this year. he's very promising against lefties with a minor league career 10.62 K/9 and a 53% GB rate. he's actually remarkably similar to our internal loogy option - tyler norrick; a ton of K's and a ton of walks. this is another exercise in throwing things against the wall to see what sticks, but meyer seems like a pretty sensible thing to throw at the wall. tyler norrick, part II, is an almost cost-free pick up that can only help us. 

* * *

as the resident old-man poster, i should say a couple words about the white rat, since i think i am the only one among the mods who clearly recalls that period.

whitey was one of many managers who PLAYED THE GAME - albeit, not very well - and a brick in the seamless wall of 130+ years of managers that do not include a single pasty-faced spreadsheet reader living in his mother's basement.

whitey and his teams made me fall in love with baseball. they were everything you have ever heard about them. lightning fast, thrill a minute. a bunt, a single, a stolen base. nobody swung for the fences but jack clark (who hit 22 HR in 1985 - imagine what would happen to a cleanup hitter who hit 22 HR today!).

if you went for extra bases it was on the speed of your legs, not the muscles in your arms. in 1985, willie mcgee slugged .503 . . . with just 10 home runs. 

vince coleman stole more bases in 1985 that 19 of the 30 major league teams did last year. in 1986, he had an OBP of .301, reaching base 201 times; he stole 106 bases. he was caught stealing only 14 times. that's the whiteyball game plan; you get on base and 50%+ of the time, you're taking the next one.

it was nothing but fun to watch.

baseball is forever outlined for me in the bold lettering of 1985 Topps cards (succeeded by the miserable wood paneling 1986 sets), with 'the heat is on' playing in the background. i don't have anything really clever or interesting to say about whitey the man; i was way too young to see him as anything but the archetype of the grandfatherly silent manager i just assumed should and did run every club; i saw the similarly wise and wizened faces of sparky anderson and earl weaver grinning on my Topps cards. i was not in a position to appreciate what made him special. 

in retrospect, though, i feel honored to have lived at a unique time in baseball history, watching a team run by a true innovator. somebody who latched on to the advantages of these gargantuan stadiums with thin layers of turf laid over concrete and 424 foot centerfield fences. whitey saw you could make a baseball bounce like a pinball, and that's what the games felt like -- flashing lights and rocket shots. an excitement that's different from what today's teams generate. 

when his place in the hall of fame was announced though, i had no real reaction, and very little to say. in my head, he had always been there.

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or are you in love with them?

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 12, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

keep the Man Stew bubbling

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It's an addiction.

 No….really it is.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

using the first post

to post “first” is both lame and a waste.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

whitey saw you could make a baseball bounce like a pinball, and that’s what the games felt like — flashing lights and rocket shots.

Nicely done all around, but especially on Whitey. I’m not sure I really cared too much about Whitey’s induction, but I love that image.

Do we have room for Jukich on the roster? I haven’t been counting, but off the top of my head we have Carp, Waino, Lohse, Penny, Franklin, Miller, Reyes, Motte, Mac, all as relatively unshakable bullpen staples along with Hawk, Boggs, and Garcia for the remaining three spots and without a definite fifth starter. I assume this move just bumped Garcia- one lefty for another, but there are still a few decent pitchers whose tires we could be kicking, and another signing makes us much more inflexible. I’d most prefer to see Hawksworth and then Garcia in the minors, but I have a feeling that the Hawk might be the last of the new guys to be bumped.

Also, you’ve nailed the underlying LF/3B problem of marginal gain over replacements. I think that it’s possible that one of the reasons Mo has been so coy with Boras up to this point is that from where he’s sitting, Joe Thurston isn’t on the roster and the guys replacing him look like they are going to be decent major leaguers. It’s really a matter of who gives us the best gain over the rookie set to man that position in the meantime, and it’s tough to see most of the 3B options other than Beltre (or Figgins, sigh) really giving us a dramatic gain over Freese.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

stockpiling relievers looks

like preparation for a trade. Washington has the worst bullpen in the majors- and Adam Dunn. Plan B, subsection D?

by vinniefromjersey on Dec 12, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not interested in dunn for much the same reason I prefer to upgrade LF over 3B-

Dunn doesn’t appear to be a big improvement over in house and cheaper candidates. There are certainly other LFers out there that could be trade targets, so I can see your point applied to them.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe if we got Dunn

TLR would hand him to the Secret Weapon, and he would be our new hot corner defender, with Freese as the late-inning replacement.

/jk

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 12, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

so what you're saying is SW would cut off his legs & replace them with robot ones?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe replace them with tank treads, like in that game Base Wars

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the grounds keepers would kill him

he’d mess up the Arch design

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he could nail the groundskeeper with his cannon arm.

And I am talking about a literal cannon, since that too will be replace with robot parts.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think we can get the cannon approved by MLB

if they won’t let Yadda run with a jet pack, there’s no way they’ll let Dunn have a cannon for an arm

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

But Yadi has a cannon on his arm

Dunn has a case!

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Dec 12, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Molina?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We have the technology

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Dec 12, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

who's slower than molasses in January?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Molina

He’s a mean mother…(hush your mouth)
But I’m talkin’ ’bout A Molina!

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 13, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's bring nice robot in on this...

Azru? Do we have the parts?

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 13, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

i thought

you had to offer rule Vers back to the team you took them from before you could trade them

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no

It’s just that if you trade him, the rule 5 restrictions go with him- IE, he still has to stay on the MLB roster.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

holy crap i had a dream about thurson last night

no, not that kind of dream you pervs

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

you know what bothers me

If you mention you dreamt about someone it is immediately deemed sexual in nature. I rarely have dreams that our sexual in nature. So just because I had a dream about someone you should not take in context that I wanted to have sex with them.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 12, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't understand that at all, i almost never have those kinds of dreams as well

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

it's all because of

the phrase “in your dreams”. and that’s why people associate dreams with attraction. but because of that, it makes everyone keep their dreams so much more private. and i dont need to know that shit. i hate tmi.

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Dec 13, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, we don't like to think of gdm in bed either

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

the horror

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I was happy to see Whitey get into the Hall.

The line I remember about the White Rat was from Joe Torre who I think was with the Braves. He was asked about competing with the Cards and he said “they are always going from first to damn third”. That summed up the Cards for me. They could steal a base, but more importantly were constantly playing aggressive baseball.

In many ways Whitey’s election is like that of Bruce Sutter. He’s in the Hall for learning how to tailor a team to the big astroturf ballpark — that was his singular achievement and it is worthy of the Hall. Seems to be an under-reported event to me. Do managers get to choose a hat? Will he choose KC or STL?

Just win

by The Duke on Dec 12, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

+100000000000

Whitey-bal era Cards baseball was a joy to experience; I miss those days terribly. And who cud forget our white-hot intense hatred of the METS!!!
:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Dec 12, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, the "Pond Scum" Mets. What a great time to watch baseball.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

man, I wish I didn't have to move half the furniture

so I could finish that poem. jossed at every turn!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i was hoping a baseball reference would help.

Sorry if I got in your way.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 12, 2009 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

nah, it's cool. I can spoil.

that’s the shortest section, so it’s an easy “Matthew, Mark, Lugo, and John” interlude.

Real life is just slowing down my productivity. I’m currently trying to compress the best part — late July and August. There was almost too much awesome, even with giving it extra lines. HFS.

We had a great summer, no matter what happens now.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

enjoyable saturday morning with the tom s posts

solomon was wise, but i’m not sure that mo dewallet is as wise or that holliday is phlebas

it will be interesting to watch to see who will step in for tyre and try to get phlebas for a few more shekels than solomon. that they would not use their larger treasury to offer a few more shekels is hard to imagine. i’m afraid solomon is doing tyre a favor.

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Dec 12, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

i felt like

this is appropriate

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 12, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

That was hilarious.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

it is if you are familiar with the bible. Not so much if you dont though.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 12, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

My personal favorite:

John the Baptist Bobblehead night. Some Assembly required.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Angels

sending Lucipher down is one of my favorites. . .. and the Sodom and Gomorrah score . . . and moses’ pickoff move reminding those baserunners that thou shalt not steal. . . who am i kidding, I love the whole thing.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 12, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I was laughing out loud

Tom the chaut stove season was excellent. We know that Solomon’s wisdom was legendary. He shall prevail over Beelzebub!

by spfldbird on Dec 12, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

I heard about phlebas

but I also heard phlebas’ agent was bar Boras. Now King Solomon pled poverty to bar Boras. And bar Boras exclaimed to the king in the hearing of his entire court, including advisors, courtiers, heralds (the king had one herald who always did his bidding named el diablo) and even servants, that Solomon possesses 300 wives and 700 concubines and 50 castles. So said bar Boras, loose theyself of a few hundred concubines or refinance a few of the castles and thy shall have the sheckles to pay the mighty phlebas that which he richly deserves. The king’s subjects tongues began to wag behind the king’s back about how bar Boras was right, did the king really need all those concubines? Does a potentate really need 50 castles? Being informed of the goship in the hallways of the main palace in Jerusalem, Solomon finally relented to bar Boras knowing the gossip would never stop unless he paid phlebas.

by jjray on Dec 12, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

sad - hopefully not true

i love our concubines…

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Dec 13, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

these are good choices

smoltz, sheets, bedard, duchscherer… despite the well-reasoned argument about durability, i’m beginning to have some buyer’s remorse by proxy, feeling kind of bad that we got penny instead of the others, all of whom we could potentially argue have a higher ceiling than penny (depending upon whether that ceiling is made of material created from K/BB rates, HR/9 rates, or Saves/Ryan-Franklin-unravelling-in-August rates).

i thought i was stuck in a three-pronged time warp seeing smoltz in a cardinals uniform in 2009 striking out batters like it was 1995 while paying him 1970s prices, and would like more of that, please.

"When all's been said and done, I can say that all has been said and done."
-Steve "Lips" Kudlow, of Anvil

by redbird brain on Dec 12, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

well put on that last line...

I’d still take a flyer on one of them as 5th starter/ setup/ closer

You can never have enough arms in the bullpen because someone will most definitely not put in a repeat performance…

by stlfan on Dec 12, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree-

Bedard is going to be out for the first few months of the season recovering from labrum surgery- even his best case scenario for next season barely has him pitching 100 innings.

Smoltz is in his 40s and pitched 105 innings (including rehab) in 2009. He cannot be counted on for over 100 innings and is probably best suited for bullpen work.

Duchscherer’s 141 IP in 2008 was a career high at age 31 thanks to recurrent hip and elbow problems. He didn’t pitch in the majors in 2009 thanks to elbow problems and clinical depression. Even assuming he is completely healthy and sane, a player cannot go from pitching 141 and then zero innings to picking the ball up every 5th day. Maybe on the Matt Clement deal, but not for anything like Penny’s contract.

Sheets is a big question mark. He missed 2009 with a torn forearm tendon, and there has been no news of him progressing well or badly. In any case a completely healthy Sheets is not a good bet for over 150 innings since his stamina and control are suspect after such a long layoff, and there’s no information in which you could base a strong opinion on his health.

Unlike most of these pitchers, Brad Penny pitched in 2009, and he was passable to damn good while he regained his control and velocity. He has the highest IP projection of any of them, and because his injury is so far behind him, he’s a good bet to beat that projection of 170-180 innings.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

so relieved that matt clement is not actually on that list!

thank you for snapping me out of my buyer’s remorse by proxy.

completely agree that as far as IP projection goes for 2010, penny is the best bet—certainly not the most intriguing, for better or worse—but i think all of the other 4 pitchers would have some seriously incentive-laden contracts that would range from late-1980s-style base pay (to keep the time warp framework going, here) to more market-appropriate numbers once they start 20 games, or whichever number we hope they can achieve. this is a difficult thought experiment, because as you point out we have incomplete information about all of them; we only know that in the past, each has proved to be nothing short of spectacular—smoltz and sheets for their entire careers, duchscherer and bedard for, well, much shorter careers, we’ll say :)

incidentally, how much schadenfreude would we all have towards the red sox if we end up with lugo, penny, and smoltz this season, all careers successfully reclaimed? i seem to be holding something of a grudge, still, from 2004…

"When all's been said and done, I can say that all has been said and done."
-Steve "Lips" Kudlow, of Anvil

by redbird brain on Dec 12, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate

the red sox, purely from ’04. ESPN takes a distant second.

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Dec 13, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Out of those guys I still want Ben Sheets the most

On some kind of 2 year deal done in March. He nearly pitched 200IP in 2008. He is coming back from elbow surgery which tends to have higher success rate. A lot of the times the pitcher actually comes back stronger. Especially if you can sign him for a contract less than Harden just got.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 12, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the simple caveat that I'd like him to definitely be healthy.

He’s had a long rehab and I don’t think he can be expected to instantly return to his previous form, but a contract similar to the one Harden got would probably be worth doing.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't Sheets want 12m per?

I’m pretty sure that’s what i read at MLBTR.

(Insert Your Own Joke)

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 12, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well my concern is we give him something in the neighborhood of that.

I don’t think he’s going to go for a lot of incentives. From what I read it seems he think he is the same pitcher he was in 08 and should get payed accordingly.

(Insert Your Own Joke)

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 12, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

news flash

he’s not and even if he is, no one knows, and he won’t get 12

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Dec 12, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

we can't spend that much

and expect to cover 3b and LF. no way we’re signing any more high priced pitchers. if we’re going to get smoltz or sheets, it’s GOING TO BE ON THE CHEAP. the rest of the majority of our money is going to be allocated to 3b or LF. it HAS to.

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Dec 13, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

87 Topps were wood paneled.

86 Topps had the giant lettering up top (and were the perfectly designed baseball cards).

by Mister Eff on Dec 12, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

damn! got my years mixed up!

This happens when you get old.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 12, 2009 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good Call

I just rummaged through my closet and I found the entire 87 set. They are indeed wood paneled.

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by SethCity on Dec 12, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The White Rat

If I recall correctly, was the title of a book on Whitey and Whiteyball with Kevin Horrigan. Must have been 20 years ago or so that I read it, but I recall it as a good one, including some stories on the throwing accuracy of Satchell Paige from all parts of the field during a spring training. The Hall induction is nice, but memories of watching/listening to the 80’s birds are even nicer.

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Dec 12, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

Seth McClung is sad to leave the Crew

it was an honner.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

I saw that

“honner”? Really?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If you have a college degree

You probably weren’t good enough at baseball to get drafted and whatnot after junior year.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Dec 12, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

did dero actually graduate from penn?

Does that make him the only mlb player w/ an ivy league degree?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 12, 2009 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

is ausmus still playing?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Young...

went to Princeton.

Here’s a time waster: http://www.ncaa-baseball.com/sabr/database/

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ross Ohlendorf went to Ivy League as well

Brilliant dude

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by Taskmaster on Dec 12, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

saw an interesting article on him...

He went to Princeton and he’s working for the USDA in an internship over the winter…

by stlfan on Dec 13, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I was looking this up the other day at work after hearing a piece on NPR

Here’s a list of MLB Ivy Leaguers.

The list is not complete, though, Fernando Perez of the Rays graduated from Columbia and was just published in the September issue of Poetry magazine.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Dec 14, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

because it takes a college degree to know how to spell honor and memory

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 12, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

he might have a learning disability

but a learning disability doesn’t stop you from using spellcheck…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

honoUr.

savages.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Excessivist

(new word)

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 13, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

How am I the first to rec this post?

Excellent work, tom.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 12, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, great work, Tom.

The Hannukka reference was nice.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Dec 12, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I rec'd it

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i can has?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 12, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

he's an outstanding candidate to bounceback just based on babip.

his D in LF is likely much better than at 2b. a kj-craig platoon could be a 2-3 win platoon.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 12, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

How about a Skip-Craig platoon out there...

and Uggles at second? Or Uggla at third, Skip at second, and Damon in left. That might be the best Plan B.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Except Uggla costs more money and will require a trade package.

Plus you’re shelling out money to resign Damon.

If the choices are Craig/Johnson at under $5M to put up 3 wins in LF, Skip/Lugo to be league average at 2B for $2M, and Freese to be 2WAR at 3B for league min versus

Damon for ~7M to be 3 wins in LF, Uggla to be 3 wins at 2B or 3B for $7M plus Garcia, and 2B or 3B to be taken over by whoever is left over to be league average, you’ve gained 1-2 WAR but you’ve paid $10M (IMHO this is low- Damon wants multiple years and more than 7M) and traded away Garcia (and maybe other players) for it.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

no

uggla’s slightly below average at a premium position. Dunn is unbelievably atrocious at a very easy position.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if we don't sign Holliday

We need a left handed OFer for LF. I wonder if we could get Brian Giles on a minor league contract.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 12, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

he would be an interesting offensive platoon with Craig

because i think he can bounce back some from last year…but he has been god-awful in the field lately so i dont know if he would be worth it even at $400K/

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Dec 12, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Giles got bad

when he had to get off the juice.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 13, 2009 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Johnson's splits against righties

really aren’t all that good - he’s about league average (.760 OPS) against them. I would guess that Allen Craig could put up a .730.740 OPS against righties if he played the entire time, so I’m not sure that he’s a good candidate for a platoon.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 12, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

And we don’t need someone like Johnson because we already have a .340ish wOBA LHH to play 2B.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 12, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

last year really skews his splits, though.

he had a wrist injury last year, and had an insane reverse split— 370 points of reverse split, where he’s never really shown any reverse split tendencies in the past. His .968 OPS vs LHP last year was just bizarre.

2005-2008 he had an OPS of .816 over almost 1000 PA’s vs RHP (.762 over ~600 vs LHP). if his wrist is healthy, that’s probably closer to what we should expect than the .595 OPS he put up last year vs RHP.

Problem is, he just isn’t THAT much better than Skip, especially if skip’s defense is as good as it seemed there at the end of the season and double especially if platooned as heavily as he would be under TLR. He’s a good fit for a lot of teams, though.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with all of this, except

I think KJ is a good enough hitter to be our LF or LF platoon partner for Craig.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

when was the last time KJ played OF?

Not saying he can’t- he probably can- but is there any evidence that kj CAN play the OF, even LF today?

Only reason i even mention it is the fact that my boy SS was pretty bad in limited time in LF last year…

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 13, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Skip may have been bad, but there are plenty of players who move between the IF and OF without problems.

Skip was also learning a new position, whereas KJ was brought up as a LF (and was a damn good one). It’s certainly possible that he can’t play LF, but we have all of the spring to turn him back into a LF, and it’s one of the easiest positions to field. It seemed obvious to me that Skip was having mental problems- with a bit more seasoning, I’m sure he’d be back to being a + LFer as well.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 13, 2009 7:13 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Skip likes his routines

they asked him to totally shift his routine, which is why I didn’t have much optimism when they announced the move to 2B in the first place.

shifting back to the outfield is a different mindset for the Skipper. out of practice = bad performance.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Johnson cut

The Cards were thinking about getting him last year… could they get him this time around? Since KJ’s a lefty at the plate, I wonder how the Cards would handle the infield if they signed him.

Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 12, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy Holidays Everyone!!!

When we all think of things to be happy about this holiday season, don’t forget this one-

SCOTT BORAS IS NOT THE AGENT FOR ALBERT PUJOLS!

Not sure why this occurred to me, but I am very happy about it!

by salukihoops on Dec 12, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions   4 recs

Cheers!

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 12, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This is no joke.

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Mazel Tov

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Dec 12, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Shut Up, Fritz!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

it's F now, we gotta keep his real idenity on the down low

and yes, STFU F

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be interesting

except he has really fallen off a cliff lately, batting .226 IN COLORADO. Granted his BABIP was low, but that’s tough to o in Denver.

Also, he turned 30 today (Happy Birthday! Join Unemployed Nation!), so his upside is low.

Also we have Freese, who is younger, plays better defense, probably has a better chance to hit, and will be cheaper.

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"imagine what would happen to a cleanup hitter who hit 22 HR today!"

Is this supposed to be a Ludwick reference, or am I just too focused our offensive shortcomings?

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

uh

Ludwick hit 37 homers in 2008, and was injured in 2009. hmmm, not sure what to say to that

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

he was injured & he had too much muscle & lost his swing from 08 too

he worked too hard to prove his deserved his “big” contract last winter. i think that messed him up more than his hammy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I think he’ll be back on track next year. at least I hope so

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

His BB% went down by 2.5%, and K rate went up by a little over 5%

That, and his ISO dropped from an unsustainable .292 to .181. The real concern for me is the walk rate. If it continues to be around 8%, I can’t see him improving a ton — he just can’t hit for a high enough average with as many fly balls as he hits.

I would guess, as has Bill James, that he’s probably somewhere in between this year and 2008.

I’m more bullish than James is though — I think he’s a .360 wOBA guy when healthy and hitting. James has him projected at .350 next season.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Dec 12, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I forgot, did someone do a post on Card's overall decrease in walk rate in 2009?

I thought someone said there was a system-wide failure of plate discipline last year. I am not trying to re0open the discussion on the de-merits of McRae, but just looking at the aggregate and individual statistics. So my question is was there a team effect?

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Dec 12, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

there was

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

well

walk rates for STL, 2004-2009

9.0, 8.8, 8.8, 8.4, 9.3, 8.8

So while we walked less in ‘09 than in ’08, it probably wasn’t really that significant. As a team, the difference between ’09 and ’08 was about one walk a week.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

could that not all be explained by his eagerness to try prove his worth?

i don’t know if it’s that simple, but he clearly wasn’t the same player he was in 09 as he was in 08. if he went back the the mindset he had in 08, then wouldn’t his numbers reflect that? obviously he can’t repeat everything exactly like his 08 season, but i do believe it would help him immensely if he didn’t try so hard to prove he belongs.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Wang Non-tendered

Great bounceback candidate, but he is more likely to go to the Dodgers since he wants to play for Torre, but imagine how good he could be with the Cards :p

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by Taskmaster on Dec 12, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

does anyone remember ...

the great Wang vs. Wainwright discussion that took place on the wretched MLBTRADERUMORS.com comment boards last offseason? I didn’t take part in it, but I read throught it, and it was amazing how little the yankee fans new about A.D.A.M. I was just thinking..“damn I wonder how all those Yankee fans felt as they had to eat those words”….then I remembered they were probably pre-occupied with memories of their world series victory. Bastards!

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

the less they know

the less tempted they will be to buy them. any of them.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

20? stop bragging man

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

that sinker was made for dave duncan

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 12, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

wang was non-tendered

i think he is worth 2mm plus incentives to bring him up to five

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

and then i read the thread

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wang, Boggs, and Garcia

would make for a very intriguing 5th starter competetion. But, I guess they don’t pick him up without the intention of him being the 5th starter.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

intriiiiguiiingggg.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i really want nothing to do with wang

i watched him a lot the past couple seasons & i’m telling you all, he’s toast

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he has been hurt & i still think he is hurt

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

perhaps he should

talk to his doctor about it, this time?

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Just checked his BR page.

He must really think strikeouts are facist.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 12, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

what does facist mean?

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

he hates strike outs

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was Tsar

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair to Cody

I don’t think most schools systems get into Russian History until High School

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What???

I was learning the Russian culture in second grade.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 12, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

is that because you grew up

IN RUSSIA!!?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

no

Albertofstan

it’s nearby.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We moved right past Russian history in grade school.

In Soviet Russia, history moves past you!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What???
I was learning the Russian culture in second grade.

Pah! In soviet russia, culture learns YOU!!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I’m a jackass, heh

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what she said?

My lesbian friend, of course

Two days late, I know—I have work and stuff : (

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Dec 14, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wang is a proud Taiwanese surname!

Chien-ming is unlikely to be ready by opening day, and his injury is of the dreaded shoulder variety. It was a repair of a tear in the capsule which probably (IMHO anyway; I really do not know) means posterior labrum (mediocre to bad prognosis, probably not worth signing) but could mean a few things- a tear of the inferior glenohumeral ligament (great, especially if incomplete- fixable with good prognosis; sign CM Wang!), or a tear of another ligament that forms the capsule (probably decent or good news; depends, but probably worth a contract).

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

after the marky mark fiasco, i don't want any more starters with bum shoulders

or third basemen or relievers for that matter

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks, tom!

very very good post today… enjoyed every minute of reading it. I totally agree about not wanting to sign a 3B. Freese needs to have a chance to show that he can either play there or not, at which point we can try other options or trade midseason. he’s at least going to be great defensively, and whether or not we sign Holliday we might as well replace rick dick, and it seems that skip will be playing second base, as stated by TLR and crew. if we sign Smoltz, it’s not going to cost much. but I still say we SIGN BEN SHEETS

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

also

Whitey ball is still the most exciting baseball I’ve ever witnessed. the aughts are a close second though

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i got this horrible feeling about Freeze

like really horribly bad feeling he’s going to flop big time, crash & burn & bring the rest of the team down with him. i have no idea why i have it, but i can’t shake it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd be more comfortable saying,

" Freese or Craig will have a solid year"….i think one of them is going to break out

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Mather still a possiblity?

Anyone know if he is progressing in his recovery? Will he be ready for ST?

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Dec 12, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i wrote off his 2009 season in 2008

Wrist Injuries typically take a full year to recover from. So I hope his 2010 season will be closer to his 2008 season

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 12, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

he's a pretty awesome defensive player

Don’t have a large enough sample size to trust any of the stats, but by eye, at least, he was great. And in the few innings he does have from 2008, he did rate pretty well by the metrics.

Anyway, I’d take a .780 OPS from him again, if he can be +10 defensively in LF.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

mather looked good in the of, very good

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Dec 12, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

that’s the other dimension to this thing, is that if Freese can’t do it, Craig or maybe even Mather will

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't know where this is coming from

maybe it’s because i’ve never seen him play, i don’t know. it would be marvelous if Bombs, Freeze & Craig put it all together in 2010 though. freaking awesome actually

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i did, and i don't think AZ likes me very much

or at least i should stop posting pics so much

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

how in the world do you post pics at FR gdm?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i didn't, but he linked the thread were cody & i were saying we are batman

and said he said he didn’t want to see that there

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

read the last line

of his article

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

don't ask me

we were talking about the caps, then AL, then batman

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

well to be fair to the robot

those were some pretty craptacular batman pictures

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

mine were supposed to be funny

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I shudder to imagine

 batman thread if you had a villain on the team. Just sayin’.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Dec 13, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I have the opposite feeling

I’ve always felt since the edmonds trade that he will do well for us. now, it’s time to put away our crystal balls, gdm

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

mine are more of a bluish than crystal

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

baddum ching!

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

no worries

he already did that last January. His injury in the auto accident after Glaus got a booboo ended up with the Cards playing Thurston way too much, overpaying for DeRosa and going out and getting Holliday. All his fault.

by ubeddie on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

my feeling is that it was pretty important

although, I’m sure Willie McGee’s knees probably are still barking

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It's too bad that they didn't have the turf that they have now.

I can’t imagine that it is as good as grass but it has to be better than the old stuff.

Of course, if they’d had pennicilin 1000 years ago there would’ve been a lot of people that wouldn’t have died.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

vince coleman...

the greatest basestealer in cardinal history…in my opinion. 6 seasons with the cardinals. 6 seasons leading the lead in steals. averaged 91.5 steals per season. I think a lot of people forget how exciting it was everytime he reached base.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

that fact that tom posted about his obp

just makes me go wow…. he still stole a shit ton of bases despite having a crappy OBP

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that always intrigued me.

What would it have been like if he’d had a decent OBP? F’er would’ve broke every record there was.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention

 the whole tarp roller incident

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

True, I'm sure that played a part later on.

He had only 3 less stolen bases the next year. It was 3 years later that he had his major drop-off.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

seems like he was injured a ton...

during his mets years….

Quick Trivia – no fair looking it up, and that includes people who have already been on his BR page today.

What team did VInce Coleman play his last MLB game for?

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Had to look it up.

I couldn’t remember for the life of me, but I won’t say nuffin.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yea...i just happened to noticed...

I had absolutley no idea, and was quite suprised when I saw

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, his "major" drop-off means that he only stole 81.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

shit

amazing

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I love when a pitcher would try to pick him off of first

and he’d just steal second during the pickoff. I think I’d give up if I was the pitcher.

by Mister Eff on Dec 12, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I've mentioned this before,

but remember when he and Willie were on at the same time? The pitcher was fairly well shitting himself because he knew he was screwed 6 ways from Sunday.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

those teams were a ton of fun to watch… from the start of the game with Ozzie’s back flip, waiting for defensive gems, watching them steal bases and screw with the other team’s pitcher. lots of stuff that would be hard to peg down with stats

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that was one of the hardest things about the 90's,

we had to remember the 80’s.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

the nineties teams had some characters, but it never seemed to work out too well. had high hopes for Magrane, Gilkey, etc. although Pedro Guerrero seemed like a masher compared to Jack Clark

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the 90's weren't all bad...

Pete Guerrero, Ozzie, Zeile, Lankford, Jordan, Gilkey, Mcqwire, Oquendo, McGee, McGwire, Pagnozzi….it was always fun to watch. I didn’t become spoiled on the playoffs until the “aughts”. I was too young for the experience of the 80’s. started watching in ’88 though

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I still had fun watching the team in the 90s. but they were no where near as good as the 80s teams

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I was meaning the early 90's,

before DeWitt &Co. took over. The Busches seemed more interested in keeping their hard-earned inheritance for themselves after Auggie died.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

my favorite part of it

was when willy would tag up and take second on a fly ball to CF. I loved that.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Willie could scoot. There was no doubt about it.

This is going to seem like a bash on Edmonds and it’s not, but I really thought that Willie should’ve had the CF position on the All- Busch II team.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

IT'S A TARP!!!!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ha!

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoever drew that needs to get a life.

Hopefully this rec will be the first step on their journey to fame and fortune.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Our outfielders can't repel groundskeeping of that magnitude!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

our team surgeons can't repair collateral damage of that maginitude!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Bay..

shouldn’t we just offer him 5 years and $80 million and see if he’ll bite? He’ll give us a 30 homer, 100 RBI outfielder. About a .900 OPS. Sub-par defense in LF.the contract will take him through age 36…..sounds a lot like Matt Holliday.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i've never been impressed with Bay

if Lego doesn’t sign i’d rather they just let Craig try & play LF than go after Bay. or DeRo for that matter. if you don’t get the one you most want, that doesn’t mean you have to spend that money on someone else who isn’t as good.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i would rather pay a little more and get Holliday

I think Bay is just that bad on D. But I don’t like the idea of spending a fortune on anybody playing LF. I think it is just a position where you can get the most bang for your buck.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

touche...

but I kind of feel the same about Holliday. It seems like he wasn’t getting to a lot of catchable balls. A lot seemed to land just in front of him or just to his left or right as he jogged to the ball. Oh, and there was that one that hit him in his nuts….that one was kind of important, as I recall.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

not gonna happen...

but..Left field and $8 million for 1 year

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd think he'd jump at 8 mill for a chance at a playoff run.

That is if he can jump with those bad legs.

But he’ll end up a DH in the AL.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 12, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

over the last 4 years he’s not that much better than Dunn in the outfield, and Dunn’s a better hitter

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We have to just...

pay the piper, whatever that may be… With Holliday, we’re looking at a multi-year run of NL Central titles; without him, the Cubs are the favorites.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think our starting rotation will be better than their's this year

or at the very least equal… plus we have Pujols, and I wouldn’t be surprised if razzums, skip and boog have better years next season

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

no fucking way

you could not be more wrong if you tried. the flubs are going to & will be going to contend for 4th place for many years to come

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I’m beginning to not be worried about them, unless they keep Bradley, and even then, he might F it all up for them

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

They’re big market, they’ll contend

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your optimism.

I just find it hard to believe that you can take away Mark Derosa and Matt Holliday and expect to win a division we didn’t exactly dominate in 2009.

The flubs will always suck, but that doesn’t mean we’ll have the better record.

NorCal CARDS FAN

by norlanski on Dec 12, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

As of right now,

the Cubs have a Zambrano on the downswing, and they’re missing a Rich Harden. We’ll see what happens.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 12, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i can't believe Z is only 29 next year

seems like he’s been around forever…

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

how'd he do, again?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I pretty sure we dominated the division in 2009

Also Ludwick will be better (if he’s healthy) and no more joe thurston or todd wellemeyer
how do you not pick the cards?

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

as far as I can tell, we are the favorites

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

"How do you not pick the Cards"

I don’t see why everyone is so bullish on the Cardinals. We will not pitch as well and we might actually score fewer runs than in 2009.

Banking on improvements at 3rd, cf, and rf is pretty misguided. Projections I’ve seen don’t have Ludwick anywhere near his 2008 level, and a good year for Rasmus might consist of a 270/350/450 line. If you combine that with Freese at 3rd and Craig in left, we’re looking at 700 runs or fewer. Now we gave up 640 runs last year and that will unquestionably rise.

The Cubs, on the other hand, got four wins total from Soriano, Bradley, Soto, and Ramirez. There’s definite room for improvement, and no one over-performed that much. Plus their starting pitching is roughly equivalent to ours.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We also got rid of all of the dead weight

Such as Wellemeyer, Khalil, Ankiel, and Duncan. This team is young with upside. I would like to see another starting pitcher though.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 12, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

not having those guys alone will improve the team

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure why this is true

those guys did not contribute a lot, but no guarantee that "the replacements’ will be demonstrably better

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Dec 12, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Thursty Joe is still in the orginization though

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

But if we don't resign Holliday...

we’re just going to revert to low productivity in LF in all likihood. And who’s to say Boggs/Garcia is going to be much better than Wellemeyer?

The real issue is that we got 600 innings of 3 fip ball from our top 3 starters. That won’t happen in 2010.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

thats assuming that

not signing Holliday means we don’t do anything. Mo and Dewitt have repeatedly stated a desire to upgrade other positions. Assume this would mean spreading the money between 3B, LF, and another SP.

Your line of thinking is suggesting that Boggs/Garcia will compete for 5th starter – regardless. Allen Craig/Scrap heap pickup will be in LF, and David Freese will be at 3rd even if they don’t sign Matt.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno...

To me, the only guy that truly moves the needle is Holliday. Bay, Beltre, and Lackey are also worthwhile… Beyond that there’s just not a lot of value for money aside from upside plays like Harden.

There’s a critical mass of talent needed to be a legit WS contender, and without Holliday we just aren’t there. Now the stars could align, but hope isn’t really a plan.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm the most pessimistic mf'er on the site

but even i can see the Cardinals have way more talent than the wee little bears. we have Albert F’in Pujols, Wagonmaker, Theo Rapstar, Yadda, Carp (keeping knocking on wood) Fat Beaker, Bubbles, Sauce (who really is crazy), JAIME GARCIA, Porn Stache, Skippy, Allen Craig, (we really need a nickname for him) JackadongWick & last but not least, BOOOOOOOOOOOOG

i for one would take those players + DeWitt & CO & MO, the old mad genius TLR & his sick kick Daddy Dunk running the show over any players, coaches & FO the north side can throw at us, every damn day of the week & five times on Sunday.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you think happened to me after writing it?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is Jaime in bold and all caps?

Is he the most important player in your rant?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

it should be JAIME GARCIA

bold is not necessary. so I don’t know why.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

you always bold it, so that's why i did it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

SBN bolds it

SBN is not the boss of me

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I need to watch more games or be on more game threads

Cuz I have no idea who like half of those guys are…

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

that's my fault

the glossary hasn’t been updated with most of those.

a good portion are listed, though.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

my only worry about not pitching as well

is using Franklin in the closer’s role all season

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

it should be interesting though, because we know larussa really like to stick with his guns

I still hope we sign Valverde btw, I don’t care if he acts like a dumbass. if the contract is a good one, of course

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

nooooo

draft pix….

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Dec 13, 2009 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said guayzimi

I agree

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!.

the Iverson part actually sounds like a real rap song…could’ve done without mora, gundy, etc

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Repost!

But still awesome.
Playoffs?? P-P-P-Playoffs???

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I nexdef'd?

I just saw it for the first time last night, must have missed that day on VEB

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It's cool

I didn’t really care, any excuse to watch that video again I’ll take.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

so my completely scientific survey

of how our top three starters had wood-related names … leads to this question… how well will Brad Penny fit in?

Penny wooden dolls are also known as “peg wooden dolls,” “common wooden poppets,” and “penny woodens.” They were produced in Germany beginning in 1810, were very simple, and resembled a clothespin with simple peg joints. These dolls were fairly durable and could be carried around by little girls without the fear of breaking them. These dolls were readily available in English “cent shops” for a penny.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

i like the "nails" definition better

link

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

true, but my postulate is for wood.

unless you’re saying something about Carpenter…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

nails have as much to do with wood

as carpenters do, right? You don’t go around hammering them into styrofoam.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Cobbler's gonna have to fix him a pair

of Penny Loafers

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Cards. I just can't see him wearing a KC hat.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Rays

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

my current pet peeve

is when you list something for sale on craigslist, and someone says they are going to buy it, but then they don’t show up to buy it. coulda sold my 4th guitar to someone else!

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

I think that may be the issue… I told him I wouldn’t take a check

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll see though

it seems like the guy only checks his email like twice a week. keepin me hangin… although he said he’d buy it sometime this weekend, so there’s still tomorrow I guess heh. wouldn’t mind having an extra $150 though right about now

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I sold a wine cooler, bar stools, a dining room table and chairs today on CL.

Posted just after noon and sold by 2:30pm. Could you imagine having to take out a classified ad in a newspaper and waiting for the phone calls from the kitchen phone?

NorCal CARDS FAN

by norlanski on Dec 12, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

yeah, and the funniest thing is that those days aren’t really that long ago in the grand scheme of things

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Speak for yourself.

I ain’t over 40 yet. I’ve tied a knot in my rope and I’m hangin on.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 12, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I will be 34 in twelve days

so yeah, I ain’t old yet. but I do remember Whitey ball, that’s what got me to be a Cardinal fan in the first place

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i could have sworn i was older than you

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I used to think

until you told me that you were younger than I was

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

best post i have read in a while

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Dec 12, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

OT: Because I root for all things Missouri

(or, most things) – Congrats to the Northwest Missouri State Bearcats on winning the D-II football championship!

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 12, 2009 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

anyone willing to add D.J. Carrasco to our team?

bullpen help and I think he would be pretty cheap.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 12, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

gomes, anyone?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

nvm, he is bloody awful with a glove

-25 in left

how do these guys get big league jobs?

too bad cos he can kind hit. maybe as a bench player if he’s cheap

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

he oughtta be cheap, though

i’d be happy tom stick him on the bench

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

on top of this

he would be good trade bait for an al team in june/july

i think if we can get him for $2mm, we should do it

don’t know if that’ reasonable, though

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I did an image search for gnomes. My safe search was off. People are disgusting

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you just answer yourself?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess so...

I don’t remember suggesting Difelice, but since my name is there, I must have. Sure was a good idea…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

According to the time stamps...

about 2 minutes passed between suggesting it and answering it. You must be very busy if you forgot something that quickly. Well done.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Two kids, two phones, an email, a kitty, too much bailey's and eggnog...

and the arb deadline. There’s a lot happening!

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

They're managing me!

well not anymore… I’ve finally chased them off until sunup.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

SO CUTE!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that's funny

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i keep waiting for something else to happen, but it never does

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That's frightening

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I should add...

these aren’t actually sliders and change-ups, just slow cutters.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That is awesome.

I want DiFelice now.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 12, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

cut. it. out. fritz.

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, never heard of him

but apparently he inspired the alanis morissette song “you oughta know”.

So, no, on general principles.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

John Stamos?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Aunt Becky

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Since I have an Aunt Becky

I thought for a second you were for serious stalking me.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

internet stalking isn't 6?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

this is also why i'm am anti facebook/myspace pages

it’s way to f’ing easy to find out way too much about people. all the mystery & fun out of meeting people is gone now after a few clicks of a mouse

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

it is to excessive and to many family members

I don’t want to share shit with my family. My Myspace account has not be used in so long. Facebook I keep zero info on for a reason. Potential employers can pull up so much info on you.

Check out Pipl to get an idea what kind of info is out on yourself

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 12, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What kind of info are you trying to hide on facebook, though?

I don’t want potential employers to know I like The Band, 30 Rock, and drinking tequila? No, I want employers to know that, so they know I fucking rule!

by Mister Eff on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Preach It Mister Eff!!!!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

(meanwhile:

I changed my VEB name, so current and future employers hopefully don’t realize I spend all day on a website about baseball.)

by Mister Eff on Dec 12, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think I wouldn't want to work for someone who did not think that was AWESOME

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

sheeeeeet

i entered my bro’s name & a ton of info about him came up including our home address, phone number & oddly enough some stuff about my dad.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

HFS

®

i entered my name, and this explains so freaking much. there’s a crap ton of guys who are on sex offender lists & a dude who makes porn that have the same name as i do. f me, i’m going to have to change my name

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

nope, none of them even resembled me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

don't you have to have had sex before you look like a sex offender?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it's all starting to make sense now

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha
That’s gotta be one of the most helpful posts I’ve ever seen on this site. Directions on how to make tables that are easy to read and understand. How beautiful is that!

The most helpful thing on that site is actually here! hahahahaha

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec's all around

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Eu Tu JD?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Si

Shit, wrong language. Oh well, c’est la vie.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 13, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Ron Jeremy? Is that you?

Peter North?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i entered my name and city

i got a couple old addresses of mine and a link to my myspace.

there was one other guy with my name who lives in the same city who popped up. sure enough, he’s a sex offender. wonderful.

by adiueordie on Dec 12, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

They don't have anything on me.

Too many people with my name. I tried St. Louis and Clemson.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Use the Google only for the power of good

I don't often comment, but when I do, I only comment on VivaElBirdos.

by TBender on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i would never do that to you or anyone

but after just going to the site that flim linked & seeing how i’m going to have to change my name now, i wouldn’t be surprised if someone pretending to be me did that or worse

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Have mercy!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

One time a kid I was in undergrad with said the following, and I died laughing for some reason

“I love Full House. It’s great. It’s got Bob Saget, John Stamos, the guy who’s not John Stamos…”

I think he knew who Coulier was, just commenting on his lack of work since that show

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

How much

would a combination of Beltre, Cameron, and Duchscherer cost?

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 12, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

if we're going to sign another pitcher

 Ben Sheet is the only guy I want.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 12, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

SMOLTZY, ASIAN HOOK, AND RUSSIAN MAIL ORDER BRIDE

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

ALL FOAR CLOSER

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

in soviet russia, AsianHookySmotlzyBrides close you

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

In case anyone was really wondering,

Mo can easily afford both ASIAN HOOKER and whatever other players he decides to employ, next season. Market price for A. H. (in LA), times 8, times 162, is still significantly less than league minimum.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't like john heyman

and jack cust is cheaper than adam dunn

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

I'd bet he gets a MLB deal from someone.

And I wouldn’t mind that someone being us, if the price is right.

(That means he has to play PLINKO.)

by Mister Eff on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather see how he does at the yodeling mountain climber game

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And the actual retail price of a minor league contract for Scott Olsen is...

You’ve all gone over! Everybody except MO, who bid one dollar.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 12, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

"One dollar, Drew" just doesn't sound right

There’s something so comforting about “One dollar, Bob”

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 13, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

probably because that's what your mother says to all your "uncles"

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this a reply fail/SBN'd or am I just not getting the joke?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 13, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

you don't get it?

what’s wrong with you man?

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't get it either.

actually, kind of pissed me off, but i’m dealing with a wicked sore throat thing, so i’m not exactly thinking straight, so i ignored it earlier.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 13, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm sorry, i was just making a joke

apparently a bad one. i removed it last night after i saw it upset you because you probably weren’t the only one angry or offended. that was never my intention to make anyone mad or offfened them. i was just trying to be funny.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Olsen's fastball is in the high 80s and he has a torn labrum.

I wouldn’t bet on a smooth recovery.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 13, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Frank Thomas?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

yes, too bad he officially called it a career the other day

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah because Bud ordered no team to give him a deal

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

wait?

gdm has been lured over to the pro-BB side? Welcome…heh heh heh

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i've been pro bonds since Regan was in office

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I always preferred Gonerril.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Dec 13, 2009 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice one, nuncle

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Dec 13, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

he'd be so much better than Glaus, but with less F bombs

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

it's probably the temp that's throwing him off

are you guys having a snow/thunderstorm? those are weird. we get one or two of those every winter

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

we now have freezing rain @ 35 degrees

al gore can shove his global warming shit right up his ass

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

it's summer time down under, that'll melt in no time

global warming is the biggest con ever attempted to be pulled in the world

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

No political discussions: there are other blogs where you can discuss politics. this one is for talking about baseball. we want everybody to feel welcome here, regardless of his/her political beliefs.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 13, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

makes sense I guess

they are less frequent and more abnormal in the winter

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My dog is afraid of all loud noises.

Including loud talkers, which we discovered at my graduation party when one of my especially loud friends came in and Reggie ran away and hid under my other friend’s chair.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 12, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

this is why i prefer close talkers

I wonder if TRB is a close talker

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the red baron

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't talk!

Unless you count wistful muttering.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Dec 12, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i've heard he does like to sing too

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm scared of winter thunderstorms

Shit doesn’t belong

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Dec 12, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

my dog is absolutely terrified of sonic booms

Dude is a husky mix, close to 80 lbs… when I lived at Edwards, they were doing the final quals on the F-22, and I’d come home and find him in the funniest places. usually the bathtub, but if I left the shower curtain open (and therefore the bathtub exposed) or the bathroom door closed, he’d find a way to get behind the couch (usually so wedged in so far I had to pull it out from the wall to free him), under the sink (no idea how he got the door open) etc…

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

no mystery. Milwaukee needs four sausages.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

aw damn

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

bazinga

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I really hope Khalil does well

other than that, I hope Colonel goes to the brewers :)

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by Taskmaster on Dec 12, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think colonel may be done with baseball

I will be a little pissed if Glaus does well, especially if it’s in our division. not that I think it’s likely, but… same goes for Ank I guess. I wish Khalil well

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Some team will give him a minor league deal

Not us, but someone like the Dodgers.

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by Taskmaster on Dec 12, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

my guess

Ank-Royals
Colonel-Padres
Glaus-Orioles
Khalil-Blue jays?

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by CodyG on Dec 12, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

KBot will never play another inning of baseball, i'm afraid he's done

i just hope he can find a good Dr to help him.

Ank will go to the pirates

the Toddlion will go to the reds

and Santa will go to Oak

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

if ank goes to the pirates

it will be funny if he changes his fishing boat to a pirate theme. aaaarrr

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

he could get into the rum business

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by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

colonel will have elbow surgery

and make a decent comeback in ’11. Hopefully for us.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 12, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Coco Crisp?

a reunion in red would look cool, IF he can get a good OBP.

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by CodyG on Dec 12, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Loved your comments on Whitey

Whitey may not have been a spreadsheet wizard, but it didn’t matter because he intuitively knew there were varied ways to build a club. He understood that defense could make or break a pitching staff and took care of business up the middle (and at 3rd). He understood the value of the running game, and in a lower scoring environment it was even more important. He did some unique things with his bullpen, that really made good sense. I remember him toggling Dayley and Worrell between the mound and right field a few times, in order to not burn through his top 2 bullpen guys.

He belongs, and if Denkinger didn’t happen I doubt anyone would argue otherwise.

by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Anthony Reyes non-tendered

Not meant to open up old wounds.

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by totalloser on Dec 13, 2009 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

guess he wasn't all that

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 13, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

well, he would have been

if Dave Duncan didn’t roooooowen him…

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Dec 13, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

HFS

mlbtraderumors says Matt Capps was non-tendered. What is going on in Pittsburgh?

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by scoot on Dec 13, 2009 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

how much was he projected to make?

he was awful last year, but considering their other options, this doesn’t make sense.

by adiueordie on Dec 13, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

he would have been like the third most expensive player on the pirates. none of their players get paid anything now.

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by tom s. on Dec 13, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

someone call & wake up MO

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Capps

…would be a NICE BP addition, and Franklin insurance!
:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Dec 13, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

HFS

®

WOW

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions  

DAMN YOU ENTER BUTTON

ever heard of the Devils Swimming Pool?

me neither. but it combines two of my biggest fears, water & heights.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Non-tenders

So my question is… if the Cardinals could afford Capps, Atkins, Gomes, and one of Olsen or Wang, for less than or equal to what Holliday would cost, would that be a good enough offseason?

In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.

"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.

"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.

"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG

by mateodh on Dec 13, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

I'd Be interested...

…in Wang, Capps, Atkins, and Ryan Church although I think Gomes would be a nice #4 OF with lefty power off the bench.

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:=8O

by The MooCow on Dec 13, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

If this were the 2007 offseason....

then that would be seen as a major influx of talent. Now – Capps, Atkins, Gomes, and Wang are just 4 guys

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 13, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

same cost, yes

but let’s say
capps-2.5M
Wang-3M(incentives)
Atkins-2M(incentives)
Gomes_a cheeseburger

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

6ly, that's a metric gigaton of potential

if that happened, whether or not it worked out, I’d be convinced Mo had more cajones than any other GM in baseball.

if it worked, it could make his career. if it failed, it would ruin him. For better or for worse, it’ll never happen.

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by SleepyCA on Dec 13, 2009 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Sign Capps Carrasco Wang

and our pitching staff would look a lot better to me

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

really?

he hasn’t enjoyed success once in the majors(besides game one). I would much rather have Rich Hill.

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

...no, definitely not seriously.

That…was a disaster.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, a disaster.

That whole series was just deeply embarrassing. Stupid sign-stealing shenanigans.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

A Garko/Craig Platoon?

Garko .313/.392/.495 vs. Lefties
or is it Craig that hits lefties, I’m not sure.

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 2:12 AM EST reply actions  

I'd rather just put Ryan Church out there than watch that fielding display.

As long as we’re talking about non-tenders and being without Holliday.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Well if what Tom says is right(and we all know he is)

then there’s no way I’m giving a majority of the LF ABs to Church. I like Crisp who hits about the same on both sides ,but fields well enough to compensate.

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Church's career OPS is 40 points higher

and he plays good defense as a RF, which would likely carry over to LF.

It’s largely a wash, and I wouldn’t be psyched about either guy, but I don’t think a Garko/Craig platoon ends well, and I say that as the biggest Garko fan on VEB. Garko went to my hs, and I’d love to see him play for the Cardinals, but he doesn’t fit.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

so you went to Servite High School according to baseballcube

that high school had quite a few MLB players.
notably
Marc Rzepczynski
Mike Witt
Ben Francisco
Steve Buechele

impressive record for a school

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Brian Wolfe as well.

RP for the Blue Jays, last I checked.

It’s a SoCal hs, so we’re bound to have baseball players graduate.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

craig is RH, ergo hits well v. lefties.

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by tom s. on Dec 13, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

well a .392 OBP is a great

and I like Craig too, but Garko is now being considered.

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

he plays 1b and has 78 innings in the OF.

i don’t see a spot for him.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 13, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

i respectfully disagree. craig stuck for seasons at 3B - on the harder side of the defensive spectrum from LF.

accounts of his LF defense range from average to above average. craig is probably going to provide reasonable defense in LF. he’s not the same at all.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 13, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Because Braun had his shot in the majors and failed miserably.

Craig was not given the same shot, and even though he was below average, was not as horrendous as Braun iirc.

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 13, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

you're probably right

who put’s up a -35.5UZR at third?

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by CodyG on Dec 13, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

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