Tuesday Notes
[ed. note: I suppose I should schedule this for 5 AM instead of 5 PM in the future...]
Here's the thing about the Cardinals' first big-ticket move of the offseason, resigning Jason LaRue for one more season—if Matt Pagnozzi wasn't good enough to take the job now, with LaRue coming off a season in which he not only put up a .615 OPS but also had the rest of the Cardinals rip off his whole mustache thing, why is he still around, sucking at-bats away from Bryan Anderson?
Backup catchers are not very important, goes the refrain, and ideally that's true; but if a backup catcher were to become important, the 36 year-old who's hit .194/.286/.323 over the last four years isn't going to step up and fill in. It's an odd choice, and an odd scenario; Bryan Anderson might be the fourth string catcher in this organization, but should Molina get hurt he seems like the only real medium-term option.
I can only assume Jason LaRue has some intangible value to the team; perhaps he has spent all winter in seclusion, coming up with a new and even more off-putting method of facial hair solidarity.
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Ruben Gotay was near the top of the this year's crop of would-be Ken Phelps All-Stars, and while I might have preferred the Cardinals jump on PCL Three True Outcomes king Dallas McPherson, who went to Oakland, it's good to see the Cardinals exhausting all options at positions other than backup catcher.
That said, I'm not sure Gotay is more than a worst-case scenario fit in St. Louis. He can hit, in some capacity—his bizarre .272/.429/.450 line in the PCL says as much—but as an all-hit/no-glove defensive second baseman on a team that will likely platoon two of them, that's not much of a value proposition. As for third base—he's a good hitter for a second baseman. Gotay, like Anderson, is more valuable to the Cardinals on the Redbirds than he is on the bench; Lugo and Tyler Greene, among others, are more interesting backup options.
He's a flawed player, and his flaws match up a little too closely with the flaws of the Cardinals' superior starters, but depth is depth, and Gotay was the best risk-free player available at second and third base. The goal, as always, is that the Cardinals don't need to use Gotay for any length of time in 2010; if things had broken better in 2009 we might still remember Joe Thurston as a fun slap-and-run pinch hitter with a good feel for second base. If Ruben Gotay has to take 100 at-bats over the course of a season and shows off that 102:69 BB:K ratio in a few great at-bats, things will have gone as planned. If he's starting at third base in June... I don't want to deal with that.
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- At the mothership, Matthew Leach has a nice overview of Mark McGwire's bizarre Hall of Fame trip to this point. I was surprised to see his vote total go down year-to-year; it was a minor variation, but it's disheartening, as a McGwire backer, to see his lack of momentum. I still have no idea how his tenure as hitting coach will play out; the idea that he's going to give a coming-clean press conference and get on with his life doesn't jibe with La Russa's continued assertion of his innocence.
- Bernie, meanwhile, has done a fine job of extruding a little worthwhile analysis out of the latest Albert Pujols Freakout news. Honestly, most of this seems self-evident; Pujols is in a position to influence the direction this team takes—something he does indirectly anyway—and it makes sense that he would want to do that. That said, Miklasz is right in suggesting that the Cardinals, for the last year in particular, have operated as "competitively" as any team can; and while I have no reason to believe Jose Oquendo would be a bad manager, or that Pujols has any interest in installing "his guy", I would be more worried about Pujols's feelings determining where the Cardinals go managerially than where they go on the free agent market.
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no more fist
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/11/30/fist-be-gone-chip-caray-done-at-tbs/
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i'll drink to that!

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by gdm426 on Dec 1, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh my God.
This picture is far more frightening than Albert Pujols’ evil twin.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
the outfit with the drinks are funny
but the stains underneath him and under that piece of cardboard are disturbing…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
someone should take those booze away from that child
he’s clearly the sober driver
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
Where in the hell do you find all these pictures?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I feel badly for Chip, but hated, hated, HATED the fact that he said "fisted" 100 times a game
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Right on
I like the Gotay signing but if he is getting significant time at 3rd at any point in the season, well, I dont know what to say. Goodbye Albert, maybe.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
???
is goatee a better 3rd baseman than thursty joe?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
probably not.
Best guess is they’re very similar players, but Gotay is a switch-hitter who can only really hit from the LHS anyhow.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
LaRue's intangible value is clearly measured by the size of the luggage
arriving from New Hampshire.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I honestly though freese was going to be our backup catcher
Mo wins again
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 1, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Polanco wasn't offered arbitration
It’d be kind of cool, and cost-effective I think, if we could sign him to a one-year deal and trade Schu and/or Lugo for some bullpen help. Rest of the money goes toward Holliday and Smoltz (or whatever injured vet you prefer).
Yea, Polanco had a down year and he’s a bit old, but he was a 3 WAR guy, and he plays good defense, which is important with Dave Duncan as Pitching Coach.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
i'd be ok with this
if we could get a legit RH reliever back for lugo+shane robinson or something
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Heck yeah.
Bring back peanut-head. I miss his giant, peanutty head bobbing around the keystone.
by 643 on Dec 1, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm afraid Sugar Shane isn't bringing back much of anything.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know
how Boston paying all of Lugo’s salary above the minimum is affected if we trade him? It may be hard to trade him if Boston’s picking up the tab is only if he plays for the Cardinals.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Boston's on the hook in all scenarios except retirement
the Cards could trade or cut Lugo and Boston still owes him the $10mm
why not just keep schu and lugo
and use the polanco money to sign a free agent for bullpen help?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Because the best FA relievers have Type A status and are being offered arbitration.
This way we can acquire a reliever of similar quality without losing a draft pick.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
if you're talking closers only
are there any you have in mind that we could nab for schu?
if you’re not limiting it to closers, seems there’s quite a few good relievers we could pick up as free agents without giving up anything.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't get the Gotay signing at all really
We let a decent glove, good OBP second baseman leave (Jarrett Hoffpauir), and we have three middle infielders assured a roster spot already next year with Tyler Greene and Daniel Descalso still at AAA. There’s really no spot for him, and he’s just an older version, Latin American version of Hoffpauir, imo, so why didn’t we just keep Hoff? If you’re Gotay it makes NO sense — there are plenty of teams who have more holes on the infield than that Cardinals do, and you can’t really play SS, which might be the only place you get a chance to play should Ryan regress horribly in 2010.
As far as LaRue goes, I’m not too upset about it. I don’t want Pags back there as the backup, and Anderson should be getting full time work in AAA at his age so that he can rebuild some confidence and turn into some sort of trade chip for the Cardinals at the deadline next year (hopefully). I’m sure LaRue didn’t cost much, even as the terms haven’t been disclosed I highly doubt he’ll make much more, if any more, than he made last season (although a bonus for leading the world in nose hair wouldn’t hurt). He’s familiar with our pitching staff and he’s good defensively — maybe he can find that homer stroke he had in Cincy for one last go around with the BoB, but I’m not holding my breath….
I just don’t want to hear any more about McGwire. I’m done with that story, moving on….
I don’t think that anyone, Bernie included, has a clue what Albert Pujols wants. He wants to be competitive, he’s not saying that the Cardinals haven’t been competitive. I don’t know what he means by that statement other than he doesn’t want to become Ken Griffey Jr. (good player, horrible teams for most of his career). He has flat out stated that he’d like to retire a Cardinal — I’d put more faith in that statement than I would anything that Bernie can dream up over jelly doughnuts and coffee in the morning.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
sidewise... why *did* they let The Hoff go?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Because he was rule 5 eligible and they didn't care to waste a 40 man spot on him when they have more valueable players who are also rule 5 eligible and he is easily replaceble (and has already apparently been replaced).
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Dec 1, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if only Jarrett Hoffpauir were here to read that sentence...
d’oh!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
this answer, shortened: because Julio Lugo, that's why.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
the Hoff is no match for laserssss. [writes that down]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
The Larue signing seems to hurt Anderson more than it helps him.
At least Anderson could have been the full time AAA starter if M. Gagnozzi had become the 150 AB backup to Yadi.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Is it possible
that they are kicking around a position change for Anderson? Seems to me that they don’t have a 3B on the roster right now except for Descalso, so I wonder if they aren’t thinking about trying him there — similar to moving Todd Zeile after his rookie season.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
are we up to ... three catchers changing position?
and one guy staying at catcher? right? [has lost track]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
if they are going to move him, most scouts say they already should have
moved him to second. why most think catchers can only change to be a pitcher or a second baseman is beyond me. i wouldn’t be against it, but it does seem like the team doesn’t know what to do with him. but they better hurry up & figure it out.
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With Gotay on the roster,
the Memphis INF will probably be 3rd-Gotay, SS- TG, 2B- Descalso. Anderson is only 22, so his chances of becoming a decent catcher aren’t dead yet. I hope this doesn’t mean he’s slated for a position shift, and I hope the org gives him a shot at full-time catching soon.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I find it hard to believe we won't carry a 2nd MIF backup on the 25-man this year
I think Greene starts as the legit SS backup. I can’t see TLR going into the year with Schu and Ryan as starters and Lugo as the only backup (especially as Lugo will be the smaller half of the 2B platoon). I’d actually be OK with carrying 4 MIFs this year, as at least two of them have half-decent bats and Greene has advantages as a defensive backup (esp. at SS) and pinch runner that we don’t have with Lugo or Schu.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
i think we sign someone
in lieu of greene, even if he’s technically not a MIF, like tatis.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't mind Tatis
and he’ll probably be dirt cheap, but given we have Craig, Freese and will probably sign at least one more player who can play LF/3B or LF/OF, I don’t really see where he fits in.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 3, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
to pinch hit vs Chan Ho Park, of course.
of course, Phills didn’t offer him arb. i think.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I Disagree
Last season was essentially a lost year for Anderson. He struggled initially (which is why Pagnozzi wound up getting more starts) and then he got injured. Next season is pretty much a reset button, so I’m not surprised they’re giving LaRue another round for a single season. His signing really has nothing to do with Anderson, who wasn’t close to taking a Major League job this year.
His signing has everything to do with our organizational (lack of) depth at catcher.
If we had a catcher in the organization that could step in as the back-up, in the eyes of the org, then we would not have brought LaRue back. Obviously, Bat Gagnozzi, despite what his name implies, cannot hit a lick. Anderson is not ready for a MLB roster spot, either. Thus, the org signs LaRue, again.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 1, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think his name implies that his bat makes you gag
which is pretty fair comment.
i think part of the problem is the emphasis that the org puts on catcher defence; otherwise, I think there’d be more excitement about guys like Cutler and even Yarbrough (who was MiLFA’d I think).
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
i thought matheny was quoted saying anderson was the real deal
i’m willing to wait. Yadi doesn’t need any help right now.
Just win
I'm all for saving Yadi's knees.
As a 35 year old with 2 horrible, pain filled knees I just think Yadi should get more time off. The lifespan of a catcher’s knees can’t be long.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 1, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
pudge rodriguez
begs to differ
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
He may have had some
knee supplements during his time with the Rangers… if you catch my drift.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
KNEE ROIDS!
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
I wish I knew what it was he took.
I take 10-15 pills a day just for my knees.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 2, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
It was a Hwang reference.
Since the gagnozzi part is already there, I figured I’d take it the whole crossdressing chinese spy in affair with french male diplomat nine yards.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Gotay was signed to be Memphis' 3rd baseman methinks
Freese will be with the big club and the org doesn’t seem to think Craig is a 3rd baseman…that leaves no one to play third
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
If that's the case,
then I agree that TTO Dallas McPherson should have been signed right away
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 1, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
yep he was high on my list of MiLFAs too
higher than Gotay. Interestingly, I remember reading a Dave Cameron piece on FG about the minor league free agent bargains, and he mentioned Gotay but not a couple of my favourites, and I kinda disagreed that Gotay has much ceiling left…
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
Gotay
“he’s just an older version, Latin American version of Hoffpauir”
To be fair, he’s only seven months older than Hoffpauir; it’s not like he’s the crypt keeper or anything. I also think that there’s something to be said for guys getting major league experience at the ripe young age that Gotay did. If they are baseball-smart, it can give them the opportunity to learn what they need to work on. FWIW, Gotay’s last two seasons in AAA stack up well with Hoffpauir’s.
Don’t get me wrong, I wish that they had protected Hoffpauir, too. Giving the Birds credit, however, it appears that guys fitting Hoffpauir’s profile (i.e. nothing special with the glove, some OBP skills, gap power) are pretty fungible since they were able to scare up Gotay on short order, and to a minor league deal.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 1, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tony is hung up about having
utility infielders who can switch hit. If Hoff was a switch hitter, he’d have been protected.
why protect hoff?
he was caught between a prospect (descalso) and a hard place (lugo).
i don’t think so, but is gotay on the 40-man?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
gotay is non roster invitee (NRI)
so no he is not on the 40 man and won’t be unless he makes the big club out of ST
Gotay = 2010's Thurston?
I’ve got a bad feeling about that. When I read up on him, I didn’t like the stats he produced in the majors in the past. Seriously.
I hope the Cards are going to be aggressive towards Holliday and what other things they need to address. Signing LaRue isn’t bad, but I’m puzzled by the Gotay move.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
i wish the Cards would of traded for Kelly Shoppach for a PTBNL
Would of cost closer to $2M but he has some serious power
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Along with serious contact issues.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
If we're spending $2m on a catcher might as well just've picked up Gregg Zaun
and his .350+ OBP/ability to switch-hit.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
yea
we should be worrying about offering arb to adam k
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Like you, I'm OK with LaRue
people seem to forget that even if we went with Gagnozzi we’re still paying him the league minimum (~500k) so we’re actually only coughing up another 400k or so for LaRue. Even with his bat falling off a cliff he was worth 0.3WAR last year, assuming average defence (which I think is fair, actually, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a tiny bit above average) so he’s a reasonable backup.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
Chris F. Carpenter
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I remember that.
Funny and sad, much like the Rams.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
So the Cub's didn't offer arbitration on Harden who was a Type B?
What does that say about his health?
Must be bad enough they were worried he would accept
or their GM is just too stupid to realize what he was doing…But they also didn’t offer arbitration to Gregg who was a Type A, now that we wouldn’t lose a draft pick I thought about the option of him in our pen and quickly walked away.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
well I understand the not offering Gregg arbitration
But to think Harden is going to have a problem finding a job is worrying for Harden.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
i want nothing to do with gregg
absofreakinglutley nothing to do with him
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"worst" is not a comparitive adjective!
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
"worse" is the correct comparitive adjective.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ahem
Correcting grammar when you can’t even spell comparative? Ahem.
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
wow
mozilla spellcheck fail there.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Being fair to gregg
his big problem is that he coughs up a LOT of FB. After a down year, with no type-A trouble, and with the ability to get away from homer-friendly Wrigley to cavernous Busch, with a possible OF of Colby/Ludwick/decent LF (Cameron? Hinske? Craig? whoever), it might help him somewhat. If he’s available for $2m or so I wouldn’t mind taking a look, actually, but he’s certainly worth no more than that.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
He does give up a lot of fly balls
He also walks a shitload of people (Career 3.74 BB/9 and he’s been over 4.5 BB/9 2 of the last three years).
I’m not for signing relievers who put a lot of men on base. He strikes out 8 guys per 9 innings and walks half that many — not a good pedigree for our bullpen.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Yeah I suppose that's fair enough
maybe someone like Dotel (who I don’t especially like, but who also got his arby turned down) who only has a 2-ish K/BB ratio but actually strikes guys out (11K/9 career) is a better bet, again if he’d accept $2m.
And come on, man, Gregg is a PROVEN CLOSER!
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
are they stupid or crazy? oh the suspense.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It's not good news.
Unless the Cubs are in dire, dire financial straights, there is no comprehensible reason not to offer Harden a contract based on his numbers- the only other conclusion is that they know something we don’t. Suddenly that few games he took off toward the end of the season looks a lot worse.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I'll keep throwing it out
The guy had one thing to prove in his free agent year and that was durability and he couldn’t do it. Not being able to finish the year means either he was/is/will be on the verge of a big time injury, or we want no part of a non-contract-year-motivated Harden at this point.
Now, not offering a Type B is a giant screaming red flag of damaged goods.
Not afraid to nitpick
That is the conclusion I came too
I know a lot of people love Harden (VEP) but I am extremely wary of him. If I am going to take a risk on someone i would rather take a risk on someone coming back from TJ surgery such as Ben Sheets. Not a guy that is about to get shoulder surgery.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe Sheets had TJ
He tore his flexor tendon not his UCL. If I remember right Troy Percival tore the same thing but it magically was okay and then he came back with the Cards.
Not afraid to nitpick
did BEN SHEETS even have his surgery?
i think he did, but i’ve slept since then & i don’t remember
i too trust BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS way moar than Harden. that dudes 6ly about to take a trip down Marky Mark Mulder Boulevard. and that’s a street that leads to nowhere nice. 6ly, It makes detroit look like paradise.
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i think you are right bout the flexor tendon
I heard elbow and just assumed TJ
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm big on Harden
but I wonder if maybe, based on this news (unless the Cubs are in dire straights financially, woo!), Smoltz plus some help for the pen isn’t a better option.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
...
The guy had one thing to prove in his free agent year and that was durability and he couldn’t do it.
Again, why do you assume that is the only possible explanation for him missing the last few starts of the season? Maybe, he was feeling sore or had a minor injury and didn’t want to risk turning that into a major injury which would have terminated his free agent value.
Plus, we know he isn’t durable. If he pitches 100-150 innings with a 3.70 FIP, that’s very valuable production.
And again
Harden has teetered on the edge of “major” for 4-5 years now, it’s going to happen eventually. Say he was just nursing something minor……that means the guy is that close from something major as is! And that’s before you put any more mileage on his arm.
There’s no way to spin his inability to finish his contract year as anything but a colossal red flag. If he’s that close at any time to it turning major—-well then why the hell would we want to give him 2-3 years? If he was pitching through something significant—-well you get the point. (Oh and we’d be taking away a huge incentive for him to pitch through any pain so it’s not like 100 innings is his healthy floor anyway, see 2006-7)
Plus he’s an ex-Cubbie and who wants those.
Not afraid to nitpick
He's pitched 300 innings the past 2 years
Which is his most durable stretch since is first couple of years. He’s also 28, and not coming off of surgery. I really have no idea how you are basing your decision off of him missing the last few starts of the season. Most clubs out of contention shut down pitchers at the end of the year, and there are a multitude of reasons that Harden himself would want to be shut down.
If he’s that close at any time to it turning major—-well then why the hell would we want to give him 2-3 years?
Because 100-150 innings if mid 3’s FIP is insanely valuable, and we couldn’t get that production elsewhere besides overpaying for Pineiro or Lackey.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
but he shut himself down, remember sweet lou throwing him under the bus?
they didn’t want him to stop pitching, he did.
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it was a smart move by him
who would want to get hurt in your last start of a contract year and end up like ben sheets?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
'xactly
It could also be the other way – he could have had a serious injury. We have no idea either way, so I’m not sure why joker is making such definitive inferences based off a couple bits of anecdotal evidence.
Either way, I’m sure the Cardinals will be able to make an informed decision, and if they deem that Harden is healthy, or healthy enough, then I would love them to sign him.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
you do agree it's sketchy though right?
it just smells bad man, and i fully agree he may be fine, but you just don’t quit to protect yourself. that’s bad karma
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Sketchy, with upside
Like 2008, 4.5 WAR upside. And he’s canadian.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
so is Érik Bédard
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
Yeah, but he's had more surgery than Harden
Hazel… what did you conclude about Bedard vs. Harden again?
Bedard is out for at least two or three months of next season;
the most he is possibly worth signing for is the 2009 John Smoltz contract. Harden isn’t coming off of surgery, and has spent fewer and fewer days on the disabled list each of the last three seasons (35 in 2008, 25 in 2009). If he’s reasonably healthy, he’d be a very good deal on the 2008-09 Joel Pineiro contract with quite a bit of upside. People are even talking about 2/20 (though that seems a bit high from where I’m sitting).
On the other hand, while I think Joker seems a bit overzealous in his pronouncement of the death of Rich Harden, the missing arbitration offer from the Cubs either signifies foresight based on information we don’t have, or a gigantic player valuation mistake.
The Cubs are dumb…are they this dumb? They certainly could be- they traded Mark DeRosa on a one year deal for nothing special and replaced him with Milton Bradley at 3/30. There’s the Soriano contract and the Kevin Gregg trade and the Soriano contract.
Rich Harden was my top pitching target this offseason. I’m not giving him up, but I think we could be a bit more cautious. I’m reminded of the Ben Sheets forearm saga of last season. Sometimes teams really fuck up and make huge mistakes (despite what certain economists think). Sometimes they really do know more than we do. Numbers-wise, Harden remains one of the best targets of the offseason.
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by hazel on Dec 2, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bedard is toast
seriously, I wouldn’t go near him. I sincerely doubt he pitches at all next year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
I am keeping an eye on Bedard
He has some serious upside. He is a borderline Type A. So if he could rebuild his value and you could net 2 picks that are worth around $6M in value it seems like a good risk. Plus, the value he would bring just by pitching well.
That is the only reason I like Bedard. Upside value
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
they didn't offer him arb, yeah?
[probably nexdef’d]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Hey, don't be glib about JC
He has a PHD! I think.
Anyway, Cubs fans at BCB seem to think that this was mostly about the money and not relating to any serious injury. The Cubs literrally don’t have ANY money to spend, so this could have been a case of them not wanting to pay 8-10 million in arby for a guy who’s a risk for injury. I don’t mind if he’s a risk, with a projection fluctuating around 100 innings. He’d still be very valuable.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
what are you talking aboot?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
incentives incentives incentives incentives
is what jack says
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
incentive party at Mo's house?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I could see him being a nasty closer if an injury ocurred early in the season as well
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
that 300 innings
the past two years could be viewed differently – as the straw that broke the pitcher’s shoulder. he sure wasn’t the same pitcher this year as the year before.
and, whereas it may have been smart for HIM to shut down, would it be smart for the buyer to ignore that? i think it’s easier to determine if sheets is healed from surgery than if harden can avoid it for the length of a contract.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
His xFIP was exactly the same this year as it's been the past 2 years
His strikeout rate was just as high, his K:BB was a tad lower than his 08 season. The only difference was that he had a 15.1% HR/FB ratio last year.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
having spent the bulk of the summer
in chicago, he sure didn’t seem to miss bats like he did the year before, though i suppose he could have missed them at the right time. there were alot of hard hit balls off him, i know that, so maybe he had a little luck this year if his xFIP was the same.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
that's fair
just that i likely saw big chunks of about 2/3 of his starts…just an observation, as you note, but i’ll stick by it. he had a pretty crappy D, imo, but even had they gotten some of the balls it doesn;t change how hard they were hit. and he benefitted from the at-em ball to the point where one just has to raise his arms and say, “what a lucky fuck…again!”
the year before i saw him pitch only 5 or so times and he was brilliant. i considered him an ace – a fragile one, but an ace nonetheless.
as for his K-rate, i was thinking he might have been getting, for example, say 8 swings and misses a game but registering 10 k’s because most of them came with two strikes whereas the year before he was getting 30 swings and misses a game to get those 10 k’s. if something like this indeed happened that’d make him luckier in 09 and more dominant in 08, to my mind. anyway, was just a hypothesis.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
in fairness
not as much of one as i thought, though
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
His contact% was actually lower in 2009 though
2008: 69.6%
Career: 72.4%
2009: 67.3% (lowest ever).
His contact% in the zone and out of zone were both lower than 2008 and his career numbers too.
He did record somewhat reduced swing %s too, but they still look good compared to his career numbers. Hard to see a big drop off in his stuff, really. His FB has lost a couple of ticks in the last few years but he’s actually striking more guys out with it.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 3, 2009 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
his changeup is markedly improved
so maybe that more than makes up for loss of velocity, deception-wise, on the fastball.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Because 100-150 innings if mid 3’s FIP is insanely valuable, and we couldn’t get that production elsewhere besides overpaying for Pineiro or Lackey.
You don’t think there’s an outside chance we get that from Smoltz?
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's less likely than Smoltz
And Harden has more upside.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
If the club shut him down to protect an asset,
why wouldn’t they offer him arbitration? That doesn’t really make a lot of sense. The only explanation I can come up with in this instance is that they’re going to sign him to a long term contract and are in negotiations with him.
If he shut himself down, why would the club not offer him arbitration? It’s obvious that if he decided he didn’t want to pitch his last three starts that he’s probably gunning for a big FA contract, in which case he won’t be coming back anyway. Plus, if he comes back and is healthy he’s valuable and he probably won’t get a huge contract in arbitration, so you’re getting a good pitcher or a free pick. If he’s reasonably healthy it makes no damn sense NOT to offer him arbitration since he’s only a type B?
It makes no sense not to offer him if he’s healthy, because as you’ve said, he’s a valuable asset.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
he shut himself down from what I've heard
not the other way round.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Still
if he shut himself down, like I said, that’s a pretty good indication that he’s moving on, so it makes no sense not to offer him arbitration.
There’s 2 reasons not to offer him arbitration:
- He’s hurt and may not pitch next year and you don’t want to pay him $10M to drink beer in the dugout.
- You’re going to sign him to a multi-year contract.
That’s it.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Or
The Cubs are in dire straights financially, and couldn’t afford to spend 8-10 million in arby on a risky player.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
According to you
he’s not a “risky” player. He’s a player that will put up a xFIP in the mid to high 3’s and will pitch 150 innings. If he’s too risky to offer Type B arbitration to than I don’t want him either.
I don’t think they are in dire straights financially with the revenue that they have. According to Forbes, their payroll was below 50% of their revenues last year — and they STUNK for most of the second half of the season. That’s kinda the magic number, you spend more than that on payroll and you can have financial difficulties — with new ownership, I think they’re just trying to get a handle on the long term financial problems (bad contracts for aging players, giving that dump they play in a facelift) that they have, and offering arbitration to a pitcher who most likely will not accept it doesn’t really factor into that, imo, especially when it’s pretty clear he doesn’t want to pitch there next year.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
According to you he’s not a "risky" player. He’s a player that will put up a xFIP in the mid to high 3’s and will pitch 150 innings. If he’s too risky to offer Type B arbitration to than I don’t want him either.
Where the fuck have I said that? Of course he is a risky pitcher, that’s why I want him. His mean projection may be for 100 innings and a mid 3’s FIP; however, that comes with huge deviations on health and performance.
The Cubs, given there severe payroll restrictions, can’t afford to take on such a risk given that they have no money for a backup plan. The Cardinals have a lot more payroll flexibility, and a better minor league system, so they can afford to take on such a risk.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Right
here:
Because 100-150 innings if mid 3’s FIP is insanely valuable, and we couldn’t get that production elsewhere besides overpaying for Pineiro or Lackey.
What if he doesn’t pitch at all? What if his arm falls off while dipping ice cream for his grandmother over Easter?
Also, I think that Smoltz could give us 100+ innings of mid-3’s FIP at a lower price on a one year deal. I also think that Sheets could give us the same with more innings at a cheaper price.
The Cubs, given there severe payroll restrictions, can’t afford to take on such a risk given that they have no money for a backup plan. The Cardinals have a lot more payroll flexibility, and a better minor league system, so they can afford to take on such a risk.
This is pure conjecture on your part. You don’t know any of this, and you certainly don’t know that the Cubs have “severe payroll restrictions” because they just changed ownership. If anything, I would say they are in better position to offer him a one year deal via arbitration than the Cards are to offer him a multi-year deal for more money, because they have higher revenues and no debt on their stadium to pay off. Sure, they have more bad contracts, but if Soriano turns around and they stay healthy next year, they’ll be in the hunt so it’s no time to start rebuilding — it’s time to take a shot at the division.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
This is pure conjecture on your part.
Not meaning to interject on this argument, but isn’t the possibility Harden is more injured than usual pure conjecture on your part? Either way we’re just guessing.
I tend to agree that Harden’s a sizeable risk, mind you. Still, if we take the decision that he’s no more banged-up than usual and take a one-year flier on him, I think I’d be broadly supportive of that move. Smoltz (who I’d love to see back) is probably a stretch to break 100 innings, and is highly unlikely to throw more than 150 I’d have thought, although I guess he’ll be a fair bit cheaper.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
It is conjecture
but I’m not claiming that he’s hurt — I’m simply saying he’s a risk, and a big one at that.
Do either of you think we could get Rich Harden on a one year contract? I don’t. The risk of him being healthy extends GREATLY with each extra year that we give him. Excuse me if I’d rather shop for a #4 starter that will take a one year deal than giving 2-3 years for a guy who’s only thrown better than 150 innings 3 different times.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I think we could get him for one year, maybe
If we deem he’s got no severe chronic problems (I believe a medical is usually done before completion of a contract?) I wouldn’t be aversed to 2 years. It’s all about risk and reward, isn’t it? There’s obviously a price at which any one of us would be prepared to give Harden a 2-year deal. For me (unless there’s something sinister in his health that would be ascertained by a medical) it might be $18m or something, whereas for you it might be closer to $10m.
Overall I’m leaning towards Smoltz and Pavano as my two most-wanted arms this post-season; they’re both risks, too, but I guess I could get both for a little more than Harden would cost (maybe $12m combined) and still have cash to add position players (Cameron and Hinske plse kthanx!).
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
In your opinion, what is he worth?
By the way, I don’t see any way in hell Harden gets 3 years. Not sure who you got that from.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I think 3 years is a possibility
But not after him not being offered arbitration — I just think that’s huge red flag considering what he was likely to paid next year and how productive he’s been in Chicago. Hell, they gave up some pretty good prospects for him (that they could have used last year incidentally) and could probably have him back at ~$10M for just next year, when they might have a shot at making a run at the NL Central.
I think he’ll get something in the neighborhood of 2Y$20M with a vesting option for a 3rd season at $10M per. It would be a 2 year deal, and based on his durability, I doubt he gets the vested option.
I still don’t like the risk. I personally think he’s hurt worse than he’s letting on, and why would a guy like that not angle for more guaranteed years? There are so many good #4 type pitchers on the market this season I don’t see why we should pay for Harden when we could get someone who might be more durable at half the cost.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
i think it's the financial.
they have the starting pitching already. they can’t afford to get stuck with a big contract for harden and be unable to move him.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
how big could it be?
and at one year, IF he was healthy they’d have no problem moving him. But that’s a big if.
his shoulder, although hanging by a thread, has never been repaired, just pampered, and that’s probably the method going forward because shoulders are extremely more dicey to repair than elbows. anyway, this feels like a told-you-so moment for me (unless the cubs are just dicking him, since this non-offer is going to cost him serious money in free agency)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
basically the cubs have about $10M to work with and any number of positions full of suck.
harden would eat all or most of that up in arbitration.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I love it when you talk like that.
The cubs pain makes me happy.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 1, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
The Cubs actually look to be in good shape next year
Providing they don’t fuck things up with Bradley.
umm, i'm taking the under on that latter proposition.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Regression is a bitch.
But she goes both ways.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I realise it's about the easiest area to improve
but I worry about their pen bigtime. marmol’s going the wrong way fast, and Guzman was really lucky last year, he’s their version of KMac I think (results exceeding dicey peripherals).
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
I like how our left field situation is better than their left field situation
and we don’t even have a left fielder
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by YesWeOquendo on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
your avatar is so perfect for this comment
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
had to rec that wise observation
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The Cubs *are* in dire financial straights
Hardens due for a nice raise, and they literally have no money to spend.
Not to mention,
a supplemental pick also costs money to sign.
It still seems ludicrous that they wouldn’t offer him arbitration- even if he accepted he would most likely still be worth the money.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
The proof will be in their treatment of the bradley situation.
So far,
not so good.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I think that's a given
the fact they dumped Wood last year and picked up Gregg (for Ceda, no less, who figures to basically be as good as Kevin Gregg, cost-controlled, for 6 years), after Gregg basically had a lucky year and had serious red-flags regarding his FB rate (moving to Wrigley) – that just stinks of idiocy. Leaving aside the Miles, Bradley and DeRosa mistakes, that one error just shows a fundamental lack of baseball smarts.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Bradley and DeRosa were mistakes
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I think trading DeRosa
for essentially nothing was a mistake. They could have kept him AND signed Bradley to the same team while not signing Miles and not trading for Gregg and been at about the same payroll as they were while having a much better club.
I don’t think signing Bradley was a mistake, per se, but you have a headstrong manager who’s not a “player’s coach” and never has been and a fanbase that gets riled up at players performing badly. That’s not a situation you just drop Milton Bradley into and expect him to perform. He seems like he’s at his best when nobody gives a shit about how well he’s playing (Rangers) or where fans give undying support regardless of your struggles (Indians).
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
DeRosa was superfluous
On a team that was projected to win >95 games and head viable options in right, second base and third base. So, in my opinion, they deemed that they wouldn’t be able to give him enough playing time barring usual circumstances, and tried to build for the future (and the guys they got back in the trade have all been successful for the Cubs minor league system). It was a risk, but you can’t blame Hendry for Bradley, Fontenot AND Ramirez all to either miss time or play like shit.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
No
but I can blame Hendry for not having a contingency plan for Ramirez to be hurt (he’s been hurt in the past), for Fontenot to suck (because, well, he has very little track record), and for Bradley to be hurt, because the fucking guy’s been a walking MASH unit his whole career. You can also blame him for trading a productive, cost-controlled relief pitcher for Kevin Gregg, who was horrible for them last year.
DeRosa could fill in at 3B, 2B, and RF when all of those guys got hurt, and he had done that for Chicago in the previous two seasons — go look at his games played by position. It was a stupid move, made even stupider by signing Miles, who’s half the bat that DeRosa was, to take his place. Hendry sold it as “moving money to sign Bradley”, but if you keep Ceda (less Gregg’s $4.2M), keep DeRosa ($5.5M), and don’t sign Miles (less $2.25M), you’re actually ahead money, since Gregg+Miles > DeRosa. It was a stupid move.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Yeah, that.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Also, if you're in absolute "win now" mode
(how else does one frame the Ceda-for-Gregg trade?), why not retain a guy making about $6m or whatever DeRo made last year as a depth/bench guy, instead of trading him for prospects? The whole thing made no logical sense to me.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's because
Mr. Spock, it is NOT logical.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I think DeRosa is fair enough
they DID get something useful in return, and I guess they traded him when his value was highest.
Bradley, however, put up about 1 WAR (I think?) for $10m last year and has caused a ton of problems. I realise you’re about as far from being an “intangibles” guy as there is, and I agree that, to some extent, evaluating trades in retrospect is not always viable, but they took a fairly expensive risk on a player with questionable health, attitude and personality, with the upside of great production, and it’s blown up. I guess it depends on how much you’d consider hindsight to be applicable in these cases, but my argument would be that one could foresee a possibility of Bradley being unproductive and/or difficult in what is traditionally a difficult and unforgiving market and stadium to play in. Also, Bradley’s upside in 2009 (maybe 4 WAR) is what DeRosa put up in 2008 for less money and fewer years, with more positional flexibility, so, even though the 3/30 for Bradley was a fair deal, you can argue that it was merely making trades for the sake of it. So, I’m sorry, but I’m still giving Hendry a black mark there.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
pretty simply
bradley was an overreaction to getting swept by the dodgers and their righties and piniella bitching about acquiring a left-handed bat. hendry is at fault both for doing lou’s bidding and for the manner in which he did it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't think that Bradley was a bad signing
it’s moving all this “money” around to sign him that’s the problem, because it wasn’t effective and it didn’t give them any more money to actually sign him with — they ended up with less.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Just me or is today ridiculously boring
The little Cardinals news that has broken has been lackluster.
I still feel like it’s Monday after the days off last week.
Everyone is on vacation at my office (or mentally checked out).
House sucked last night. Worst episode in 6 years.
The Blues are playing awful hockey.
I hate football.
Boring. Boring. Boring.
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College Basketball keeps me going
but there is no UK game today and reading about beating up on UNCA will not last me till Saturday when we play UNC and I get to see the first true test of these young freshmen. But you’re right today is boring as hell.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Tiger Woods got into a car accident...
are you not following this? There are correspondents on the ground in Florida updating every 20 minutes.
MB for LF in 2010!
Who is Tiger Woods and why should I care?
Seriously that is more overblown than Bill Clinton.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
The bigger story? The President bumps Charlie Brown...
http://blogs.mcall.com/capitol_ideas/2009/11/the.html
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Well that takes away my TV conflict.
The Santa Claus 3 is on tonight on ABC Family’s 25 Days of Christmas. I was going to have flip. And then you don’t get the full effect. Crisis averted. Thanks Barrack.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the season finale of season two of SOA is tonight as well
but it’s the same time the VS xmas show is on though
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Ah.
Not quite my type of show. I also don’t think I have FX here.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
ive not started it yet but everything ive heard says its a damn good show
i plan to get started on watching it soon
yeah it's not up your alley cgirly
but in my fantasy world, i’m a badass & i live vicariously through that show
funkee i highly suggest you start it soon. it’s awesome.
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hahahahahahahaha
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
What?
You don’t own A Charlie Brown Christmas on DVD?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 1, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
he's Adam Dunn
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and it's only the 1st of the month
december always drags sailass slow till xmas. ugh
there were two funny parts of house though. i thought the quick drop ins by his team were very funny, but overall it was a stupid story. and i hated the ending, all parts of it.
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Are you talking about last night House Episode?
or all House Episodes?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
You shut your mouth when you talk to me.
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I actually loved the ending.
It was the only part I thought was tolerable.
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where he gave up an organ? that was dumb.
the very end where he got the condo & went a little evil was fine
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The organ part was ridiculous and pissed me off.
Condo part — great.
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i thought the premise was good
with Wilson being the main character and House being his sidekick of sorts but it didnt deliver like it should have…I was hoping for more from Will Bailey too…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Absolutely
How do they just install Will Bailey into the role of House Patient #173? Couldn’t they have written a more interesting role for him than that? I
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 1, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Who is Will Bailey?
Was he the butthead who picked the ditsy girl at the end rather than his ex-wife? I wanted to kick him in the face.
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yeah, i hated that character too
btw, Scrubs new season started tonight!
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woooooooooooooooo
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
did you watch?
i’m going to have to watch them again, that was a lot of change to digest.
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Today is my boring-ass birthday!
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Dec 1, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fourthed.
I hope you got something nice, even if something nice is as simple as four hours of solitude and relaxation or the equivalent
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Fifthed
Try not to hurt yourself in the cake line…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I don't need your lip.
You had plenty of time to post that.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I saw that...
This was only meant to serve as a warning… Can’t believe I’m getting yelled at for promoting safety.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I'll never ask mu ha ha

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
drats I thought it was
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
well at least I'm not in Ohio
that place sucks
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
I think ohio suits you well
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
I don't know how to feel about that.
Given your original comment.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
you need to come up here
around the 1st of Feb when there’s 4 feet of snow on the ground up in cleveland & the lake effect won’t shut off. and it’s snow & wind & ice 24/7 till April.
i’m not saying you’ll grow to hate it like i do or even dislike the place. i’m just saying there’s more to ohio than grady & the tribe. many people love it here, but you’re a missouri girl & i’ve never met someone here from missouri that likes it better here. we all agree, there’s no place like home. and trust me, there’s a ton of folks out here from missouri, especially from missouri. my old boss had a huge picture of old Busch from 99 in his office.
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sounds like kirksville
we have six feet of snow by xmas!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
i know!
one inch in stl = one foot in kville
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I LOVE SNOW!
I want to live somewhere near mountains though. I was thinking Colorado Springs or Denver. Or Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i hear great things about
denver & colorado.
pennsylvania blows. 6ly i hate that state.
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i got lost there in 99
and they have no exits on their roads & concrete walls between them so you can’t turn around. i ended up in pittsburgh & trust me, that was no picnic.
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They have some crazy laws
regarding getting your drunk on.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
i have good things to say
about denver and CO. 300 days of sunshine a year. virtually no humidity.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
I've never heard anyone
say anything bad about Denver.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
neither have i
even after they had that really bad blizzard, when was it 3 or 4 years ago? my cousins family who lives there said it wasn’t bad & few days after all the snow fell life was back to normal. they love it out there.
i have a old friend from HS who moved out there met a girl & started his family. he’ll never leave either.
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A friend from college moved out there and loves it
I’m trying to find a job out there… but to no avail
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
what kind of work
are you looking to do?
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
I'm a civil engineer
Transportation is my specialty. I want to get into field work and work my way up to resident engineer.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
if you want
i can do some checking with some friends of mine about job opps here. i have some good contacts in the enviro/planning/transportation world out here (one of the upsides of being in the policy world – lots of networking).
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
Any help would be much appreciated
This whole no working over the winter thing is starting to get boring and financially less than fun.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
i do love it here
i keep thinking of moving back to STL to be close to family. but i never seem to make that choice.
cost of living is a little higher, but it’s worth it. because i work in politics/policy, i have a few complaints about some of the fiscal issues in the state… but for the most part i have a hard time coming up with anything to really complain about (other than it’s too far from my family)
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
in my very jaded opinion, family is overrated
stay where you’re happy. you might be surprised to find out one of the reasons you’re so happy is because you’re not around the family so much.
but then again i am a souless bastard, so it’s probably just me who feels this way.
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I couldn't agree more
So that makes two soulless bastards.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
snow is pure evil
i just hate it, but I also hate 100 degree weather, I want to live somewhere that is constantly 60 to 70 degrees. No more no less.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
Alburquerque could be where it's at
it’s about as close as you can get to perfection. it’s the most constant temp & the least likely to have a natural disaster
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hmmm
sounds like a good idea to me
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
But what if you run out of water waaay out there in the desert?
I’ll stick by the rivers
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i hate ohio
and everything about it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
except dad
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Woo race to the bottom
these are always fun to watch
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
all there is in iowa is corn
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
what can I say us Iowans love our corn
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
I'll try to be more respectful in the future.
But I make no promises on actually following through with that.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
that's all i ask
i’m pretty sure i stole it from mr f in the first place anyway
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Is this gif like the town bicycle?
Cause someone should have told me beforehand if it was.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
you can have this gif gdm
http://gifnation.com/funny/image/595/babylick29.gif
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
i'm not clicking on anything that says babylick in it
sorry, it’s not how i roll
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well here then

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
Easily the creepiest thing I have seen in a long time
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
i can top that
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
here this is sort of creepy

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
I'm sure that crossed a line somewhere.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 2, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
December birthdays always seem so rare to me
I can’t think of any off the top of my head (besides you
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
My dad's is tomorrow.
My good friend’s is Saturday. My aunt’s is on Christmas, and my husband’s is the 30th.
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Most of my friends birthday is in May
It is so weird 3 of my best friends have a birthday the same week as mine
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
My two best friends are Geminis,
and so is my brother, who I’m very close to.
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based upon some math
Your parents did it on Feb 23rd 1981? 27 or 28 right
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I was due the 8th, which makes the conception date between March 12th and 18th.
I don’t know why we’re talking about this.
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to creep you out...
nobody wants to think about their parents procreating…. /shudders/
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Dec 1, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Think back in the house of the Prairie times
When everyone lived in one giant room.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
"kids, go get some fire wood"
“but it’s two in the morning…..”
“DO IT!!!!”
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that’s what she said
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Dec 1, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't bother me.
They divorced when I was 4, so the whole idea of them together is rather abstract for me.
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I'm pretty sure you aren't to blame for the divorce.
Mine divorced when I was 30. Crappy parents, haven’t spoke to them in years. I think more of the Cubs.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 1, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say I was to blame.
And of course I wasn’t. I was 2 when they separated.
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feisty terrible twos...
like a perfect storm
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what the hell
apparently i’m just gonna go through and rec you tonite
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
YAY MAY BIRTHDAYS!!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
this guy to the right missed a december birthday by 4 days ----------------->
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
November 26? Your kid's almost exactly a year younger than mine.
Mine is November 25.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
27th
(I’m never sure how to count days)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Neither am I, which is why I had to guess
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
too soon?
i need to go buy one of those things that squirts the icing out though. i don’t have one of those things, whatever they are called.
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happy b-day!
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
Hipy papy bthudth
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
23? 24?
I guessed high given that you seem to be such an experienced baker.
Regardless, happy birthday.
i was gunna say
she’s married and has kids.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
exnay on the kidsay sonny
but yeah, her hubby will totally take you out
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well yeah
but i mean i just assumed you were smart.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Grady's pictures came a day early for you, eh?
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happy birthday!
i wish i had something clever to say.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Sixthed!
Mine is the most serious of B’day wishes. Boring doesn’t always =bad. Happy B’day spants.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
I could write a really long post on it if your interested. Short version is that it does somethings really well and other things really poorly.
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well Steam has a bunch of games on sale
I just got Dragon Age: Origins
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Enjoy your 60+ hours of gameplay
Seriously, if the rumors are true – please confirm this for me (and any other dork who cares). I salivate at the idea of a stellar RPG with ridiculous amounts of gameplay. I haven’t really had one of those since Secret of Mana.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 1, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I just recently got Secret of Mana for my SNES
I played a little bit but feel like I should pick it back up again. Try it over
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Buggy as hell.
But also one of the more enjoyable game experiences I’ve had in my long gaming tenure. I’ll forever remember it as the only tactical/kinda cerebral game I could actually get my younger brother (zero attention span) to play with me.
They should port classic RPGs to xbox live. Screw this Sonic jive.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 1, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Chrono Trigger is still one of my favorite games of all time
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can I get an amen?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
you guys are missing the best snes rpg of them all
earthbound is maybe the single biggest cultural influence on my life to this point
i have heard a lot buzz about it
But don’t really know much about it. Didn’t seem like a normal rpg but heard good things. Dragon Age is pretty fun so far
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
All I know is that Ness and Lucas suck on Smash Brothers
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ness sucks in melee
but I played as him anyway. brawl was like a big present from the creators of smash brothers, and now he’s awesome again. (In smash 64 he’s way overpowered.)
anyway, earthbound is the best. it’s tough to describe, but there’s some kind of weird genius in it.
has anyone here played assassin's creed 2 yet?
i got half way through the first one & stopped playing it because it was taking way to long & it was getting really boring. but #2 looks awesome & i haven’t read a bad review yet. color me intrigued
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I liked assassin creed
But hated how you could not fast forward or skip through the cut scenes. Killed any replay value
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
Earthbound,
one of the few respectable SNES RPGs not made by Square.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
OT: Arbitration
slow day, so why not…is there anyway Mo does anything but the following today?
1. Offer Holliday arbitration like, yesterday
2. Offer DeRosa arbitration, and shrug shoulders either way if he accepts or not
3. Offer Piniero arbitration, and hope he doesn’t accept
4. Offer Glaus a firm handshake and tell him to enjoy playing 1B/DH in Cleveland
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
Piniero Arb
Why wouldn’t you want Piniero to accept? Worst case scenario, you get him back at 1 year for under $10MM, and probably in the $5-7MM range. I’d take that bet.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 1, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't be worst thing in the world, however
i fear it could shrink the $ available for 2010 too much, inhibiting Mo improving the offense much. Not that there is a lot out there, and 2011 looks like a much more promising crop of FAs, but with 10M committed to Piniero, I fear Craig, Freese, and a rehab-driven FA is all this offense would see next season, and while I’m optimistic on those two (Craig/Freese), I also fear that scenario.
Could Piniero at 10M inhibit a Holliday signing? I’d think not, but don’t want the risk, personally. I personally don’t see someone getting less than they made the year before (7.5M) especially when they had a career year.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 1, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
If spending $10m on Pineiro stops us signing Holliday
then we shouldn’t be even thinking about signing Holliday. We need to spend at least $10m on pitching IMO.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
He made $7.5MM last year and it was his best year ever
so there’s no way it’s in the 5-7MM range. It’s going to be $9-$10MM.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 1, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
i guess i just don't get it
why not offer arb to every ranked FA?
if you get your offer accepted, it should be a good deal for you (i.e., Mo)
if their offer is accepted and you are unhappy with it, just cut them in the spring an pay a miserly sum (or trade if its suits you)
count your draft picks
most consider glaus a given no arb, but i think it would be good even for him. how much would an arbiter give a guy who was only good for <half time on the active list the last 2 years?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
do you know how much the club has to pay them if they cut them before the season starts?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
i think 15%
plus, i think you can negotiate up until the hour of the arb hearing
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
the negotiation is generally
a splitting of the difference. i think the gap will be too large to split unless the cards are seriously considering a 7 mil offer.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't understand why they didn't offer Glaus
You can offer him $5M, he can ask for $10M, and it would get settled at around $7-$8M if he accepts. If not, you get a supplemental pick. If accepted, you put him at 3rd base in spring training and see if he can hack it there, and hopefully he’s hitting the ball well. If he can’t play 3B but he’s hitting, you try and deal him to a team that’s looking for 3B or DH help, if no takers, you cut him for 15% of the contract and walk away.
The draft pick alone is worth around 15% of his estimated contract in arbitration, plus you might end up getting back a bullpen arm or something if you can deal him in the spring.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I guess my best answer would be
a) the risk the arbiters rule for him and he gets his $10m. ugh.
b) I really don’t think offering arby, and then cutting players in ST is very good practice. That’s going to get the team a VERY bad name (as far as I’m aware, it’s not usual MLB practice and no-one else really does it) and I think it could hurt us down the line in discussions with other players in the future. You don’t want to get a name for yourself as a terrible employer. Also, you’re still wasting $1.5m on a player who doesn’t take a single AB for us in 2010 – I guess that’d probably get you a Russ Springer or something.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
The last option
is really a worst case scenario, and I don’t see it happening anyway, because if he hits, someone will want him as a first baseman if they don’t have to give up anything else.
Hell, you could trade him and his contract for a PTBNL or strictly cash to someone like the Giants if he’s hitting - they don’t have a 1B and there’s plenty of teams who need a .800.850 OPS guy at 1B.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
It is a worst-case scenario
but my concern is that that worst case seems quite likely. He’s basically lost a year to shoulder surgery, is old and banged-up, and looked like absolute shit in the batters’ box last year. His eye’s still there, but is the bat-speed? You’re assuming Glaus is definitely going to hit in ST. I’d assert there’s a very good chance that he won’t, in which case you’re cutting the guy, paying him 1.5m to not take a single AB for the club, and making us look like a bad employer.
I can see the arguments either way, tbh, but I’d assume the Cards’ front office has a better handle on Glaus’ medical state and ability to hit than either of us do, and (despite our past handling of medical problems!) I guess I’ll trust they probably made the right move.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
So I have been looking for a new job
I was looking on craigslist. So many of these posting seem like scams to me. They don’t even put the name of the company up. WTF
Could be for a variety of reasons, some less than reputable,
but it shouldn’t stop you from pursuing (applying/researching) a bit more. Most of the time, it’s because the company posting them are third party recruiting/placement firms, that do not work exclusively with the ‘client’ company the position is actually with. If they say who it is, it only ivites their competition to join them in trying to fill the job.
Other times, they’re done anonymously a) in order to keep internal employees from seeing that someone/some group is being replaced or realligned; b) to keep their competitors from deducing that they are shifting focus to new products/services; or maybe c) it’s a phantom posting meant to solicit resumes with your contact information.
My suggestion would be to apply with a Confidential Resume that only provides an email address for them to contact you back with. If you receive a response from a company directly, then you can determine how to proceed.
Oh, and another tip—don’t use Craigslist exclusively to job hunt. There are many more reputable job posting ‘boards’, imo.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 1, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
i've been looking for a job for a while too
and i hadn’t even thought of craigslist because i’m not a male whore
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they had a sting out here over the weekend for male ones
odd stuff
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i think it is just gay ones
No males for women
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
i can see that
i can’t see why a woman would have to pay for it. almost any guy would give it away for free
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Pain is calling spants skanky?
I’d be worried if she’s in her extra feisty mood.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
that's when she's most deadly
she has no mercy & stabs all who dare cross her, joking or not
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dad obviously has to deal with this on all friday and saturday nights...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Needs moar BaconKini.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Az takes those pics down
i have a baconthong pic, but it’s probably nsfw
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f'in enther button
and of course we’re not supposed to post pics of women anyway
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I'm in the office right now
And I found this job on Craigslist. My friend also found her job on Craigslist, and another one of my friends is interviewing for a job SHE found on Craigslist.
It’s easy to make fun of, but it’s probably the best job-hunting site available, even if you have to sift through some crap to find the gems.
I think there are quite a few boards that are better
it all depends on what you do, the industry, your level of experience, the types of careers you’re looking for, location, etc.
Studies indicate that roughly 8% of all job offers come off of the third-party internet-related advertising. That’s craigslist, monster, careerbuilder, yahoo, ladders, et al.
60% are found through networking and personal referrals—the same as it has been for 30 years.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 1, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Of course networking is better
That’s fine. I’m just saying Craigslist is the best of the job-hunting sites. It’s a matter of volume. There’s new job postings in every area, every day on Craigslist. And some are scams, but a bunch aren’t. The turnover on the more “serious” job-hunting sites is much slower.
I would also say Craigslist is better for entry-level, whereas other job sites are better when you’re looking to hire more experienced employees. Probably partially because experienced, adult employees don’t take Craigslist seriously.
i found my awesome minimum wage mall job there
and i think i’m done with it after christmas….being at the mall every day really makes a person hate people.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Dec 1, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Working at the mall was fine when I was in high school
Since all my friends from high school used to visit. But now I don’t want to run into people from high school.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, people are real bitches before they've had their coffee
and Starbucks attracts the worst kind of douchebags.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i found a way to make it work

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by gdm426 on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you got any other recs for other job posting boards
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of work are you looking for?
many are becoming job/industry specific, which could be helpful.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 1, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
a few with good reps
Ladders.com
Yahoo!HotJobs.com
EmployOn.com
Internships.com
GoinGlobal.com
teamworkonline.com—sports industry
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 1, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I have been in sales for a few years now
But I can’t handle the stress anymore if I am not making the same money I used to make before the economy tanked. I think I might go back to school and get a computer science degree. I already did all the math and most of the pre-reqs.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Do it!! Computer Science FTW
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
By the way, part of my job description is encouraging people to go back to school
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
You do it well
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Concisely, too: with four words and an acronym.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
well i was going back to college
until yesterday when i met with an adviser & he told me i’ll never be able to do what i want to do
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"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
no
you can’t make a set up for a TWSS joke and take it from us. That’s cruel man.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
What kind of advisor (our alternate spelling) says that?
What a dick.
Was he implying you don’t have the skills, or you missed the boat or something?
Or did you tell him you wanted to make a time machine that emits bacon as a byproduct of time travel? That you may not be able to do.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i'm too old & missed the boat to do what i want to do with cars
no one teaches what i need to know. they all just teach you to be a basic dealer tech. and that’s fine & all, but i don’t want to be a dealer tech. i want to own my combo of a modification/tuner shop/restoration/dealership place. he said to get all that kind of mechanical knowledge i should have been working on cars since i was an early teenager. they just don’t teach most things at any of the cc’s or automotive type schools like UTI.
so now i don’t know what i’m going to. i could still do the tech thing, or maybe go to culinary school. but i gotta do something, i just have no idea what again. which blows.
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i considered culinary school
But my friend that went to one said if you don’t go to a prestigious one they are a waste of money. The ones in Saint Louis area are hella expensive. I could get a MBA cheaper than something in culinary school
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
my bro in law went to one & got a really good gig
in fact he turned down MIT to stay here & marry my sister. oh yeah, he totally regrets that move. especially now since he no longer uses his degree. in fact, i didn’t go to one because he did. it was my idea first only he was older than me so when he graduated he stole my idea & did it before i could even get out of high school. i’d probably be a former failed restaurateur by now if he would have just listened to me & not marry my sis & go to MIT.
owing my own restaurant was the only other thing i’ve really ever wanted to do than running my own shop. so if i really will never be able to play catch up, i might as well go try & do that
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I would have never of turned down MIT for a girl
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
especially my sis
i mean i love her & all, but geesh dude. that was dumb. they still would have gotten married too. they just did it that way to piss off my parents.
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i would be so pissed at my kid if he put a relationship ahead of college
Never pick college based upon a girl/guy. WORST MOVE EVER
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
damnit!
how come my parents didn’t tell me that!?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
my parents advice for when I left college
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
haha because there's plenty of coke at truman
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
From my friends experiences with coke
They all say it is to expensive for what it is
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
yeah Pepsi is way better anyways
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
how about regular Mt Dew?
i 6ly used to drink a 6-12 pack a day till 2002, then i cut back to one can a day, then i just stopped. now i might have one can of pop a week, and that’s usually a Dr Pepper. but i still love Mt Dew
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tis
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry to hear that. I have never known what I wanted to do so I've done a million different things
I have never known what I wanted to do so I’ve done a million different things. The things I really wanted to do were impractical and total long shots, like singing or professional voiceovers. I’ve done those things for money, but certainly not at any level where I could make a living.
I studied psychology because it was interesting, but outside of my somewhat dirty sports psychologist fantasies, I don’t really have the dedication it takes to be a good therapist. I don’t think, anyway.
At least I still have the opportunity to figure it out. Working as a college admissions counselor has helped me become aware of what real and practical direction I might take. Realistically, I know I’m never going to make money in a tired old cover band.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
ooo!! bad post editing!!
ignore extra
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Psychology is a horrible degree
As soon as you graduate you realize you need a Masters to do anything with it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
this basically true of all liberal arts degrees.
You can’t do anything except say “I have a college degree” (which is worth something), unless you get a graduate degree of some kind. You want to be immediately employed out of college – get a professional or technical degree: nursing, accounting, engineering, computer science.or intern in the appropriate field.
Getting a liberal arts degree and looking around in your senior year for what you’re going to do after graduation is a recipe for unemployment.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 2, 2009 2:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Slight digression
why are they called “liberal” arts degrees?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
irony
I have a liberal arts degree (English) and I advise Accountancy, Business, and Engineering students on how to find jobs….what a world!
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I knew that was the case, but I wanted to know why people are the way they are
and at least it gave me some insight into that.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
hey andi
seriously, what about finding a new band?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Cardball, that's funny--I wonder if you know me...irl? I've been in several.
Everyone in Columbia has been in a band at some point. And really, I’m okay. Yesterday I was just having a whiny, confessional day. This time of year just gets me down and I just have to remember to do my hobbies and then I’m content again.
Also, new band would probably make the SO jealous. He was in a somewhat successful band but now that’s over; they peaked with a song of his being played on The O.C. and then half the band got married and moved out of the country. The projects he’s been in since then have been unsatisfying, and he gets bitchy when I’m in a band and he’s not. We’re two selfish, egotistical, preening musicians—we should have a reality show.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
learn one thing
and leverage the rest to start
do what you like, no matter what your age, there will be plenty of time to do crap you don’t like
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
I don't know about the dealership part of it,
but there’s no reason you couldn’t start out doing tune-up and mods and learn the restoration part of it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
i used to work at one so i think i know how to make
one a success. especially if it’s a specialty one where you don’t just go buy a camary or accord
there’s just so much to learn though & i’m so far behind everyone. something like 15 years. and yeah i could & still might go do the tech thing. but i’m not sure if i’ll ever be happy doing that knowing i can’t do what i really want to do.
we’ll see. it’s just a little discouraging being told that. but i should have known it was going to happen. i mean come on, i’m gdm. i plan, God laughs.
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What about mechanical engineering?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
haaaave you met gdm?
he’s not even close to being smrt enough to have the word “engineer” after his name
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Speaking from experience
many of them are. Don’t respond to any of them that do not offer some other means of contacting them in the ad.
Also speaking from experience, try getting representation (like through a temp agency). It’s unnerving at first, but ultimately the most effective means of getting back into the game.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 1, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Goold tweets
that the Dodgers didn’t offer Randy Wolf arbitration. I find that curious.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
no joke
I like Randy Wolf if I thought he would be cheaper
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sign me up.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
the dodgers don't need any stinking picks.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Damon didn't get offered arb either
Not that surprising, but it certainly makes him a little more appealing. . . if you can live with that cartoonishly weak arm.
Now I would like to have Damon
Worried about his splits though away from Yankee stadium
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
If I was the Yankees I would of offered arb to Damon, Sign him to one year deal
Sign Carl Crawford next year
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
i think he wants a longer deal
and the yanks didn’t want the acrimony when he rejected. they could still work something out.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Damon not offered arb = Yankees sign Holliday.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
they could very well
sign them both, if the mood strikes
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Per Cardinals' Twitter page
Cards offered arb to Holliday, Pineiro and DeRosa.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
scaryyyy
if both derosa and pineiro accept, that’s your offseason.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
no way
you really think this team will stand pat if those guys don’t accept. there’s NO way that would happen.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
derosa wont
he already has what liek 5 suitors lined up. what would make him accept a 1 yr deal?
pinero same thing, selling himself high err… marketing himself at teh peak of value
derosa's wrist is a concern
i don’t think anyone is going to spend a bunch of money or give him a bunch of years. he could decide he likes st. louis, accept, and make 8 mil next year.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
he only has a week to accept or decline
I think the market has shown enough interest for him to decline. Most of the people accepting arbitration are Type A free agents that are relievers
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
there's been loud noises about him going to philly, which probably makes some sense for them.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Hm. I'm a little conflicted.
Holliday, and to a lesser extent DeRosa are no-brainers. I was hoping they wouldn’t offer arb to Piniero for fear that he may take it.
Oh well, at least it’s news. BASEBALL-RELATED news!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 1, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Worst case scenario...
Pineiro comes back at $10 million for one year. Why is that such a terrible thing?
MB for LF in 2010!
because it eats up any other money to spend this offseason, plus we don't get the picks
and you spend 10 mil on a 3/4 type starter that regressed harshly at the end of the year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
it’s just pick, not picks, and the projections I’ve seen have him at around 200 innings with a FIP of around 4.3. That’s worth around $10 million, and we have two open spots in the rotation.
MB for LF in 2010!
i just don't think he's going to post a FIP of 4.3
and even if you do, i think the cardinals have guy(s) internally that can at least come close to that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
We have multiple guys...
who can approach 200 innings and a 4.3 fip? That seems overly optimistic.
I’m not opposed to going with a Smoltz/Harden/Bedard gamble for one of the rotation spots and Boggs/Hawk/Garcia for the other, but Pineiro would be excellent insurance against another Carp breakdown or continued struggles from Lohse.
MB for LF in 2010!
but is "insurance" worth 10 million?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes...
in this case it is. Multiple projections have him pegged as being worth around $10 million. They might be wrong, they might be right, or maybe he’ll be worth $20 million like he was last year. A 1/10 for Pineiro is a below market contract.
MB for LF in 2010!
a below market contract based on last year's performance, yes.
and his projections may very well be worth 10 million. but i think the cardinals have one guy internally that can put up similar numbers for a much lower price.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
it could come from a group of people
that starts with blake hawksworth and ends with john smoltz.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
I assume Jaime Garcia and Mitch Boggs...
are the meat of this sandwich? Hopefully you’re not putting K-Mac in there…
MB for LF in 2010!
you are correct
i’m not putting k-mac in there.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
okay, i like blake hawksworth.
but this insanity has to stop. he’s a marginal at best 5th starter. he’s about fourth on the starting depth chart.
john smoltz is not an internal option. he’s a free agent.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Thank you
Blake Hawksworth has sucked for years and now he can be a MLB starter
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a huge fan...
but he will stab you.

* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is a helluva picture.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
reminds me
of a gamecock after the big clemson game. word on the street is it was also carrying a new contract for the ole ball coach.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
but i think the cardinals have one guy internally that can put up similar numbers for a much lower price.
Then you are probably wrong.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
It's like everyone has forgotten
what Joel was before this past season. Willing to pay Pinerio 7-10 mill is just serious serious crazy talk.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 1, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like he had a random good year without changing anything
He became a sinkerball pitcher. An extreme one. There was a complete pitching style makeover. It’s one thing when a 30-something pitcher has a random good year in contrast to all his previous years without doing much different. It’s another when he starts throwing all sinkers, doesn’t walk anyone, and plays in front of a Boog.
Yeah
he’ll regress this year. He WILL be worse than he was in 2009. No-one I’ve ever seen on this board has argued that. But I think people forget just how f’ing good he was this year; even by FIP (which probably under-rates his season, given his insane GB%) he was worth nearly 5 WAR. If you use tRA I’m sure he vaults even higher than that.
He got lucky on HR. He got lucky not to give up more walks with all his nibbling. But he can STILL do all that, regress to his career K and BB rates, and be a well above-average pitcher, as his crazy GB rate should persist, and should keep the HRs down and the GIDPs up.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
he's clearly not a good bet to be a 5 WAR pitcher again, but i bet he's a better
pitcher in 2010 than, say, jon garland. i would guess pineiro stays with his sinker, manages a 55%-60% GB rate, allows more homers (closer to 20 than 11) and walks (more like 2+ bb/9), and becomes a low 4s FIP guy. he seems like a decent bet to be a 2-3 WAR pitcher in 2010, just on a WAG.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Yep, that's where I'd peg him
right about 3 WAR, I think, given a healthy season. $8m or whatever for that would be pretty good. He’s likely going to provide more production than anyone we can get on the FA market for that price, maybe along with Pavano.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think when you weigh the value of a supplemental pick vs the probability of him accepting
Than you will see the Cardinals made the right decision
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not saying they made the wrong decision
i’m just saying it’s a possible detriment to the 2010 budget if/when pineiro/derosa (especially pineiro) accept the offer when we have other needs besides just third basemen and 3/4 starter.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think Pineiro could get more than $10M on a one year deal
And not through arbitration.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
MAYBE 12 million
but if pineiro (and his agent) are after a one year deal worth 10-12 million, they’ll just accept arbitration.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
or negotiate a median number once salaries are exchanged
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
same thing
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
why would he want a one year deal?
He got a 2 year deal after a worst season. When you look at pitchers with low health concerns you find Pineiro is about all you are going to get.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
which is why i said if they’re looking for that, he’ll just accept arby. and “worst” is not a comparative adjective!
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
you won't be able to read worst
With a knife in your eye
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
What are the chances of a multi year?
Pin has said he wants to stay here. He’s seen what happens when mediocre pitchers leave. We might have to watch what happens if one stays.

* is an Asshat
I agree
This is Pineiro’s pay day. The worst thing that could happen to him is he accepts and then has a bad year and is on the market again next year. He will be looking for multiple years here. even if he could maybe make more in once year here than on the market.
The smart bet is to take multiple years
Like a 3 year deal. So when he does regress to the mean he is still getting paid. Brewers anyone?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 1, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
They will fill their ex-cardinal pitcher quota with Wellemeyer
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
Yes yes yes
Great move. I was worried that Mo would be short sighted and worry too much about a single year’s budget and opportunity cost. The probability that both will accept are very slim. This is good news. I am happy. I was happy before the news.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
curly fries for everyone
I actually have some curly fries here.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Detroit didn't offer Albert's BFF curly fries, that surprised me
the f’in stros did to Valverde though. jerks.
the Yanks didn’t offer curly fries to Damon which makes me think they really are going to go hard after Lego.
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Ruben Gotay as Gus Chiggens
Just a small suggestion (nay… LARGE DEMAND!!!) can we please refer to Gotay as “Old Prospect(or)” next year and make prospecting jokes about him?
“I’d be more worried about Coyotes if I were youse!”
Thanks, VEB.
Can't force it dude...
gotta let it happen organically
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Ok I'm now actively campaigning against this
Me and my cohorts will get to that right after a nice long nap… then likely forget about it, but details
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
especially for a guy who won't be on the team come april
the only way he makes the club is if everyone besides Albert & all the other minor leaguers break their legs
and if i just jinxed the team, you all damn well better stab & burn the holy hell out of me next season
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where has peach gone?
it seems like she hasn’t been around here in over a month
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Yup. The stalker in the basement hasn't killed me yet.
It’s just been a rough month and I haven’t had much to say, so I’ve been lurking. How long til the season starts?
by peach concrete on Dec 4, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
aw, sorry to hear that, i feel your pain though, trust me i do
the season can’t start soon enough. sadly this cold dark winter has just started to kick us in the gibbets.
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is anyone else really disturbed by that new gap commercial
where all those little girls are dancing around?
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They're being junior cheerleaders
I like it better than the one with the adults cheerleading, but I’ve only seen it once and didn’t pay enough attention to know whether I should be disturbed. That being said, I actually DISLIKE both commercials very much. No fucking cheerleading for xmas, pls. kthx.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Worst part hands down is
“Have a happy Do-What-You-Wanna-ka
and to all
a cheery night"
Fuck you, Gap.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Go Christmas! Go Hannukah! Go Kwanzaa! Go Solstice!
Go Classic Tree, Go Plastic Tree..
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
That pretty well covers all the bases.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, I am just quoting that stupid, stupid commercial.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Makes me really glad I haven't seen it yet.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, anytime you see a bunch of people in plaid and argyle start jumping around
press the mute button immediately.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
I press the channel button
as quickly as possible. But whoever invented Tivo deserves a gold star, cuz you buzz right thru those commercials.
Never been in a GAP and never want to. Beautiful thing is the internet, you can get almost anything sent to your front door.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Tell us how you really feel.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I actually love the GAP commercials
It makes me feel like everyone wears layers of sweaters, has awesome dance skillz on ice and gets along really well.
Actually, I just really like the GAP’s clothing but their commercials do make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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I'm just a mean, bitter old woman who hates commercials, especially of the holiday-themed kind
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
remove the "wo-" and you've got me.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
What the fuck is this avatar doing with a new screen name.
I don’t think this is actually Fritz. Someone is being naughty.
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It's me, you can check ips
I toyed with changing it awhile ago, and have been off line for a week while in Mexico so figured I’d finally change it. I do want my UID back, though
The IPs don't match, the zip codes are different and the e-mails are different.
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The IPs don't match? Weird.
It’s my work account, SBNation would let my gmail make a new account.
I’m texting you.
So I'm curious why the name change?
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Just going a little further off the grid
for a security reup I have to do next year.
Everyone here knows who I am so I don’t feel like I’m losing my nevernude status of non-anonymity and accountability, just making it a little harder for those who don’t know me to find me.
i thought dan was going to let you be a mod for a day?
seems like the christian thing to do if you ask me. especially considering it is the Christmas season
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At least I don't have to learn a new picture!!!
I didn’t even realize it wasn’t you at first because I so rarely read names.
Seriously, someone should do an avatar fanpost and see how many we can all get right.
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My avatar is easy.
I bet everyone could get it even if they don’t pay attention.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
May I suggest something ricockulous???
Much like the route I went.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I've always wanted to project myself as an all powerful deity
the good boys over at South Park allowed me to do that. But in an under the radar way… crap I just blew my cover.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
clearly a TWHS.
Mystified about where “it” is? SHE knows. She doesn’t wonder about it.definitely he.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 2, 2009 2:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he was talking about the avatar being easy?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
do they.... really need a gender?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'd say your's is male
I’m sure there are some female ones around here somewhere if I look hard enough
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
d'oh! blasted blackberries without nesting comment features!
thought you were responding to “have no fear, it will be epic, i may have just found it actually”.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
here ya go
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Dec 2, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Me too.
I think I’m a freebie to make everyone feel better about themselves. I realize that sounds awkward.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
if you can learn swedish and your job skills are portable, just move to sweden and live a gap commercial everyday!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Hooray!!!
(If only Sweden wasn’t communist.)
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it's creepy man
they are little girls & they are doing sexy dance moves & trying to be sexy
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Have you ever seen a grade school cheerleading camp?
The same thing has been happening for at least 30 years.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
I know, I thought maybe you had a little sister or a friend that went to one when you were that age
Anyway, it’s nothing new.
Pageant kids are worse.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
When I first read this
I thought it said “pregnant kids are worse.” And I was thinking, yeah…pregnant kids are AWFUL.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
you just made me laugh out loud at work (heehee)
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
silly andi, gdm doesn't have any friends
but he does have an older sister, but she wasn’t into dance. she was a piano player
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Greatest 2 weeks of my life
My sister was the captain of the cheer leading squad so got to help pick the new freshmen cheerleaders. She was a Senior when I was a Freshmen. So all these girls were hitting on me trying to score points. It was glorious.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
you must've noticed quickly i bet
it’s probably not everyday girls go out of their way to talk to you.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
it was in 8th grade at the end of the year
So yes, I didn’t have many girls hitting on me. But I have always been friendly with the ladies.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
He positions himself next to creepier men.
Then he looks better in comparison.
Now with extra feisty!
how far did this bribery go?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
Well the girl I did have a crush on did make the team.
All it took was a little sweet talk
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
what do you expect from a flim-flam man?
Sincerity?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 2, 2009 2:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Greatest 2 weeks of my life
My sister was the captain of the cheer leading squad so got to help pick the new freshmen cheerleaders. She was a Senior when I was a Freshmen. So all these girls were hitting on me trying to score points. It was glorious.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Not that one.
The one with all the 20/30 somethings in it.
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The print ad is actually okay. Same theme, four page gatefold spread, but much less obnoxious.
More “Peace on Earth” oriented.
I usually don’t mind the Gap for some wardrobe staples (only when they’re on sale), but I don’t like their 2009 holiday collection much.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
oddly enough i don't have a problem with the one with 20&30yr olds
i don’t watch it, but it doesn’t bother me like the one with little girls
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I'm dumb
So if Pineiro and DeRosa accept, where’s the $ for Holliday?
My initial reaction is yay. Draft picks.
And I could definitely live with another season of Pineiro and DeRosa if they accept.
Either a.) the Cardinals are certain DeRo and Pineiro won’t accept and they’ll make a concentrated effort to sign Holliday. b.) They’ve read the market (NYY, BOS have vacancies), given up on Holliday and figure why not take a shot at bringing back a couple of decent players while trolling the market for someone to play LF/3B. c.) something else. d.) i’m a doof.
godfather of futureredbirds.net
if we can get holliday interested, we get the money for holliday by trading pineiro to the mets or derosa to philly.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
see, I'm so preoccupied with bitching about that Gap commercial that this had not occurred to me
thank you.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
It's A.
There’s just no way that those two take arb offers. Pineiro is the second best pitcher on the market.
[it hurts me to type that]
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second best?
I thought it would be
Lackey
Wolfe
then maybe pineiro
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
even chapman is more desired than pinata
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
I had no idea this has been you the whole time.
I wondered how this new person jumped in so fast.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I now have no idea what is going to happen in this game.
Both teams have thoroughly confused over Thanksgiving break. Maybe that means it will still be close.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
GO CLEMSON!
FUCK THE ILLINI!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
i hate the illni 362 days out of the year
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope both teams come out wearing orange...
That’s the only reason my buddy and I could come up with for why both teams are playing each other again. It’s going to be an awful game from the Illini side… should stock up on bourbon for it.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
That would be wonderful. I bet we wear white though.
I don’t see why you think it will be awful on the Illini side. I have a slightly bad feeling it will be the opposite.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
We have young guards
and you guys run a press… not a good combination.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
yeah that could get ugly really quick.
Especially if Demetri sits for very long.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's not going well anyways...
Demetri is learning the position… I’m not hopeful.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Those last two games were disheartening to say the least.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
As my buddy said
we are suffering from freshman guard syndrome… it’s a season long illness
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Ya just gotta love those rebuilding years.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
losing the first 2 games away from home
will help more than it hurts, IMO. The surprise good year last season clouds the transition period a bit. This year and next year’s freshman are definitely exciting though.
TBS, the Illini/Clemson game could be ugly either way, or could be close like last year.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's some prediction there...
Jimmy the Greek you are not
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I try (no sleep since before thanksgiving)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Granted they have a lot to build on,
but the Utah game was a meltdown. As far as Bradley, I just don’t like losing to small schools, it just doesn’t look good.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
especially in-state small schools
where the only “acceptable” loss would be to SIU
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 2, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I just love Tanner Smith.
If he could do well that would be fantastic. Also, I’d love to spot me in the video again. Those are my goals for tomorrow night.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Streaking the court may get you on video again...
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
She would be youtube famous.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I just saw on Beat the Streak
Clemson is 98.4% of the picks. I may not know much, but I do know when the world is going one way go the other… I’m starting to like chances of the University of Chief Illiniwek as one of our idiot football player alumni calls it on Sunday Night games.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
your point?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Making an observation through my orange and blue glasses
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
fair enough
black and gold baby.
(but really purple and white!)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Which black and gold?
And I don’t really care about Purple and White… come talk to me when they make the tournament.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
haha
black and gold = mizzou
purple and white = truman state (lol)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh that purple and white...
thought you were talking about Northwestern. My bad. And that’s one black and gold I’m not down with. Not sure which is worse, Mizzou or Iowa…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
i hate iowa and northwestern if that counts?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm down with the Iowa hate
Northwestern is really a non entity to me. Woo Illinois having no real rivals…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
yeah...i just hate the big ten in general
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Clemson doesn't in basketball.
South carolina is just not that good.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
kinda like football, right?
oh……wait
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
But they were back to back NIT Champs
that has to count for something… if this is 1957
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
We don't in anything...
I remember at freshman orientation someone asking who the rivals were and the answer was “Well in football Michigan and in basketball probably Michigan State” I wanted to choke the person who gave that answer.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Illinois had beat
Michigan at the Big House in 99 and got screwed at home in 2000 so people thought we had a rivalry… State was good at basketball as were we… Now you can see why I wanted to choke the person.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
True Story:
I saved my college mail to weigh at the end of second semester senior year. Except anything that came from the state of Iowa. I do not like that state and I have no logical reason. Everything from Iowa went in the trash.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Very nice
Knew there was something I liked about you.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
It was like this:
Dad: You got something from Grinell.
Me: They are in Iowa.
Dad: So?
Me: Throw it away.
Later
Mom: What is Drake?
Me: I don’t know Let me see. [reads] Oh it’s in Iowa. [throws brochure in trash]
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
you win
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Do I and bgh(who I assume is from iowa as well based on his avatar) go in the trash as well?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
it's out of context question, my bad
but what if I was? do you have a problem with that?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
Well I will not be attending you.
That just sounds weird.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
why? my college has free bacon on thursday.
if that doesn’t drive a hard bargain it will also have a waterslide.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
I don't like bacon.
And a waterslide in Iowa? Brrrr
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
You don't like bacon?
Get out… we will not support such blasphemy… gdm put up some pics to show her how we roll.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
We've been through this before.
I forget why I’m allowed to stay.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
because Internet people have horrible memory.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
This is actually the first I remember
hearing about this. But yeah horrible memory does tend to permeate the webernets.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
you said it was because you're hot
and i decided to let it slide because i didn’t want to be the douche that picks on the coed. plus you’re fun to have around.
but you not liking BBQ & the baconz is a tough pill to swallow
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I believe I said cute.
Not hot. Or adorable. Usually how I describe myself.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
keep trying gdm
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
Hot gives the wrong impression.
Pretty is good. Gorgeous is also acceptable.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
why?
and i have no idea what you look like, so all i’ll be doing is taking a shot in the dark
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Hot to me means something besides just good looking.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
well i apologize, i didn't know that
i’ve never heard of it referring to something other than looks. you’re a good christian girl & i’d never do or say anything to disrespect you. not that i would if you weren’t because i respect all women. but especially christians because i believe they are a cut above everyone else
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Well thank you.
But you’re bordering on religion there and no one’s perfect. I never thought you meant to disrespect me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
exactly
gorgeous, beautiful, etc. = compliment
hot = you’re attractive and i would like to have sex with you some time
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
what's with all the rules?
sometimes hot just means hot. not i want to lick hot fudge off your naughty bits
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girls make the rulez, not me
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
what's wrong with a waterslide?
Mine will be indoors
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
might as well be.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
That is the only thing that saves the state from total hatred for me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
sigh, one of my H.S. teachers went on and on about how she lived next to the field
She even got Keven Costner’s autograph. BTW I hate the stereotypical cornfield picture of Iowa.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
gonzaga sucks.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
yes
gonzaga sucks. again. wanna hear it again?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
gonzaga sucks.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
lost to UMSL a couple days ago....
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
neither are type a
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
wolf won't leave the west side either, so there's another reason pinata's #2
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DeRo's arb
The risk DeRosa has in accepting arbitration is the Cards can make a pretty good case to for a one year deal around the same salary. He will be 35 years old next spring and did not have the most success in STL last year. His agent will know if a team is willing to go two years/$10 mm total and his chance is now for that security contract. His clubhouse presence is something that can be used by his agent to get the multiple year contract, but is worthless in arbitration.
I wish this was true
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
probably been discussed by now
but no arb for polanco. hit that!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
or mike cameron
but he was type b, right?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
damn
no arb for johnny damon either?!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yeah i said it & no one paid any attention to it
it’s like you people only want me around for funny pics & me bacon
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yeah
you’re pretty much useless with the you bacon
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
That bacon beer stein was a whole new level.
Not sure if it is a good level or a bad one.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 1, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
interesting who got and who didn't
will be an interesting week
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
SIGN JOHNNY DAMON
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
actually, no
he made 13mm last year and was only worth 3 war. i wouldn’t sign him for more than 7-8mm and he won’t sign for that little
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
His forehead and Holliday's on the same team would block out the sun.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Dec 2, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
And if they were combined with Polanco's freakish head as well?
Would the amount of mass so close together result in a singularity?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
do the Cardinals lead the league in shaved heads?
other than the bullpen. you can never count a bullpen, their effectiveness is in their shaggyness.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
december 7th at 10:59 CT
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
SIGN POLANCO
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
SIGN WILLIE MCGEE
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
miguel tejada?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
Thank you!
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 1, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Polanco and Albert are tight
so it would be in Albert’s interest as well.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
I can't really get on this either, TBH.
Unless he’s available for <$5m, I don’t see where he fits. If he plays 2B vs LHP and 3B vs RHP he’s, what, maybe worth 1 win over what we’ve got now?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
If they both played for rent money and Dee Dee's special chicken, I would be down with that.
= still likes the Fredbird’s van method of acquiring players, but Bud would never go for it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the boredom was so palpable, I just prematurely fanposted.
(it’s up, mattybobo.)
I’m gonna go eat some curly fries now, and think about July.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
so did SBN totally take a dump on everyone else?
or was it just me that was the lucky one? f’in thing totally locked up & crashed everything
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OT
so yahoo releases this article: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Yankees-core-provides-foundation-for-our-all-dec;_ylt=Amat8E679pylLREgLdkdgC8RvLYF?urn=mlb,205785
is it me, or is it just painfully obvious that everyone but Albert (must be an idiot to exclude him) is on an east or a west coast team ?
fix the link
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
so who would want Octavio Dotel?
he would be a great closer option
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
over-rated and over-priced
pass.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
go read & then rec yadi2's poem
go read it now!
do it already!
what are you waiting for?!
click the f’in link!
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I don't have nearly enough free time for that
Ok I do, but I also have TiVo and vidya games to attend to.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
it only takes 5minutes & 1 sec to rec
don’t bring those weak ass excuses to the party & expect a pat on the rump
click
the
link
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I obviously clicked the link
then scrolled… and rec’d based on the amount of scrolling I had to do. Just can’t motivate myself to read that long ass thing.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I read there's more to come...
Honestly how much more can there possibly be. I have nothing to do and I don’t have that much free time to come up with that thing.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
no kidding, i could never do that in a million years
and i literally have nothing to do either
mad props yadi2
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f'n gdm
i did but I’m not happy about it.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
f'n gdm
are you coercing the audience
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
These comments remind me of Crank
If gdm Chelios in disguise?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
i'm Man Ram
or MO
depending on which medication my dr prescribes
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What happened with the Billy Wagner story?
Did he sneak his way out of Boston offering arby? I’m not quite sure if there’s a good place to check who got arby and who didn’t. If he didn’t get offered, I still think he’s a nice option to improve this team. I wonder if the budget (if we get Holliday) could just about stretch to Wagner + Smoltz/Pavano? That would be freaking awesome.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
ah nvm
he was offered. So was Gonzalez, so was Soriano. Arse-biscuits.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
And now he signed w/ Braves.
Sorry if that was said already dont feel like scrolling through.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
one year contract.
I would love to have signed Wagner. Ill bet my VivaElBirdos membership that he’s an All Star for the Braves.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
so he'll close the ASG instead of a Padre?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"Close"?
I think you misspelled “give up a walkoff home run to the American League in”
that was the going assumption, yes.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I wouldn't have been interested in Wagner unless he wasn't offered arby
to me, giving up our 1st round pick AND $7m to sign a closer who’s nearly 40 and has had some recent injury issues is not a smart deal. I’d have considered taking the $7m gamble on him if we get to keep the pick, though; the other relief FA options who’ll cost significantly less than that (Calero, Dotel, Hawkins) are all also considerably worse.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
If we're going to deplete our farm to get a closer
I’d rather just trade a couple of prospects for Heath Bell or someone like that, personally.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
You and I have argued about this before
We might get an additional pick (Thanks Hollida) plus the Cards need a closer. Yes, this might be only a 1 or 2 year fix but im tired of sweeping this under the rug. Not having a closer is going to hurt this team in 2010 and i am getting tired of that.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
It really didn't hurt us in 2009 did it?
Unless you count the Holliday nut-shot that kept Franklin from closing out game 2 against the Dodgers, but I could make the case that Chris Carpenter not showing up in Game 1, and our offense stinking it up were just as costly in that series.
Sure, we could go all Pond Scum and go out and sign a closer like K-Rod and a set up guy like Putz for $15M next year instead of addressing real issues (like the Mets sorry excuse for a rotation behind Santana, their aging slugger at 1B, and the total lack of any corner outfielders that have a pulse) like our complete holes at 3B and LF and a decent 4th starter. I’m not saying that the closer role isn’t important, I’m saying that it really didn’t hurt us all that much last year and it’s possible that Motte figures it out next year and returns to his dominant self. I’d much rather spend money on LF, 3B, and 4th SP than I would on a closer. You aren’t going to get anybody good for cheap, so why not spend that money where it’s going to help more.
And no, I haven’t forgotten about 2008 either.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Im not saying you said it wasnt important
I dont trust Franklin. Yes, he was absolutely incredible for the first half of 2009 but the second half he reverted back to to what I think is his true level, an average reliever. Im not suggesting we pay a closer 15 million ala the Mets. I am suggesting we pay Wagner 7 or 8 (obviously that is moot now).
No, I dont blame the playoff loss on Franklin though it would have been nice if he settled down and picked up Holliday. Either way, he was going to cost the Cards a win or two in the playoffs.
Finally, if the decision is Wagner v Holliday, I’d much rather Holliday but I think the Cards can afford Wagner + Damon. I much rather have Wagner over Beltre or Figgins (due to commitment in years).
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I don't mind dropping some cash on a quality reliever
but I just think $7m plus our first round pick (apparently they’re worth about $5m in the 15-30 range) is too much. $12m in value for Billy Wagner? The guy might not even pitch the whole year, he’s 38 and missed most of last year with elbow problems, didn’t he?
I’d be fine with getting Calero, I’d have even supported Wagner if he wasn’t offered arby and we dropped 7-8m on him, and I’d be OK with someone like Smoltz moving to the pen, or even someone like Dotel or Hawkins if we can get them cheaply (which is unlikely). I just think it’s too much to pay.
I really don’t want this crappy pen next year either, but there are other (better) ways to improve it than badly over-paying for closers. There are some good RP arms out there without the “proven closer” tag who are durable and effective – Calero and Springer have both put up solid FIPs, strike guys out and have better recent records than anyone in our pen. Those two would cost half of what Wagner did, combined, and they’re big improvements over the likes of Hawksworth, Thompson and KMac.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
It would have been Wagner + Damon + 1st round pick
and I’m going nowhere near that deal with a 10 foot pole.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
So the Braves offered Gonzalez and Soriano
and then signed Billy Wagner?
WTF? No wonder they want to dump Derek Lowe — they’re going to be paying $20M more for their bullpen next season!
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Gonzo and Soriano are both going to walk, aren't they?
frankly I want no part of either of those guys as type A unless they fall to the $2-3m range, which seems unlikely….
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
If they thought they were falling there,
they would just accept arbitration, wouldn’t they? That’s part of the reason that I’m surprised they were offered if they were signing Wagner anyway.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Yeah
I thought at least one of that two, probably Gonzalez, probably wouldn’t get offered. I could see Soriano getting 2/16 somewhere, he’s probably better than Fuentes when healthy. Gonzalez, hmmm, not sure he’ll get more than a year given his propensity to only throw about 30-40 IP per year. I wonder if he’s not better served to accept – if so, it’ll be pretty tough on left-handed hitters in the 8th and 9th innings in Atlanta next year…
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Cage Match question of the day
Red Sox v. Phillies. Winner gets to keep all the free agents not signed by the Angels.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
looking outside my window
nope.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
felt like this should be in assets:
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
nice rims.
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 2, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Man I have all these cool articles I read
That I want to post but don’t want them to get lost in the Tuesday thread when RB posts his
people are still commenting in last week's threads
I think you’re safe.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ran is currently approaching Saint Louis from the West, South, and East
All about to hit at the same time. Just waiting for it to start pouring
RAN? oh no!

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

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