Signing Most-Valuable Players
There's no new news, which means it's time we go over some old news: the decision to sign Ryan Franklin to a multi-year extension stipulating that he was not allowed to record another out in 2009. That particular clause was the main problem with the Franklin deal in particular, but since we didn't know about that at the time I think it's the principle of the thing that's wedged so tightly inside the Cardinals fanbase's collective craw. This team's management does so many things correctly; it's identified free talent like Ryan Ludwick, it's signed Adam Wainwright to a long-term deal at actual wainwright rates, and its drafts have improved tremendously since the seeds of what's become the new regime were first planted.
But Ryan Franklin was the second time in as many years that the Cardinals broke, to their own detriment, what was originally a Branch Rickey tenet and has since become a Sabermetrics 101 truism: Don't sign a player at the top of his value! This shouldn't be a difficult thing to grasp because it's so categorically true as to be basically meaningless; if you sign a guy at the very peak of his value, things can only go downhill from there.
I've thought about these contracts assuming, above all else, that John Mozeliak is a rational, above-average general manager; most of them are at this point, so it might be worthwhile to consider who else has made these two moves in recent years, and where it's left them.
THE LOHSE DEAL: Three long-term contracts obviously weirder than Kyle Lohse's
3. Juan Pierre. Five years, $44 million, 11/2006. What a terrible year for contracts this was—at the same time all of this was happening the Cardinals were getting ready to tear up Chris Carpenter's last two years, worth $15 million, so that they could hand him three more at an annual value of $15 million. Pierre is probably the nearest analogue to Kyle Lohse of the three I've got here; he's an intermittently useful regular who is being passed off, as salaries go, as the second banana on a pretty good team, not the guy who goes to the bench when somebody better shows up.
But more importantly, when the Dodgers pounced on Juan Pierre here—before the winter meetings, even—they seemed to be bidding against themselves. Pierre had just been traded from the Marlins for what at the time was a platter of second tier pitching prospects, and his year in Chicago hadn't exactly brought him back to the front of the national conscience. Who else was ready to offer Juan Pierre $44 million? Or Kyle Lohse $41?
2. Gary Matthews, Jr. Five years, $50 million, 11/2006. Stop me if you've heard this one before, maybe three times before: a player who has been useful in his own way for some time has a brilliant season that gets a lot of attention, not all of it for his tangible value. In the offseason he's signed to a contract that seems out of touch both with his apparent market value and the likely bounds of his performance, but the team in question is convinced that, despite being in his thirties, this player has found a new level of performance. He has not.
What makes the Sarge Jr. contract crazier than the Kyle Lohse deal, besides the additional year, is that the real Gary Matthews Jr. was a fourth outfielder with an inconsistent bat and a flashy glove. Since the Angels signed him, that's exactly what he's been. When it comes to inexplicable career year contracts, we're all Gary Matthews, Jr., Jr. Except for this man:
1. Vernon Wells. 114 years, $573 billion, 12/2006. Recently we were talking about how great it is to be able to lock up your own homegrown talent—how that's one of the keys to the Yankees' success, and, in the Blue Jays' case, one of the keys to competing with the Yankees. After looking at the Vernon Wells contract to this point, one might be tempted to never, ever sign another homegrown player again.
Vernon Wells was a trap; that's all there is to it. He looks like a homegrown franchise player; he plays center field, and in his second full season in the league he had an enormous season, hitting .317/.359/.550 and doing everything well. In his ill-fated contract year, he nearly reprised that season, hitting .303/.357/.542. But between those lines, and even between the lines' lines, there are more warning signals than you'll find on a pack of Canadian cigarettes. Between 2003 and 2006 are two extremely average lines; even in 2003 and 2006 there's a walk rate that keeps him from being an elite hitter. The Blue Jays were signing a player that they'd gotten for two non-contiguous years out of four to a deal that might even have been rich for that hypothetical guy.
They couldn't have known that his offense and defense would both take a complete nosedive by 2009, making him one of the worst players in baseball just in time for his contract to get to these numbers:
- 2010—$12.5 million
- 2011—$23 million
- 2012—$21 million
- 2013—$21 million
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That photo is perfect
Night at the Opera contract scene for the win.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"The part where Matt Holliday gets pay for days that are holidays
shall be known as the Matt Holliday holiday pay."
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"What about the Sanity Clause?"
“Nah, that’s-a no good. I don’t believe in Sanity Clause.”
by arch support on Nov 9, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That Carpenter extension was horrible.
And it made 2007 and 2008 all the more difficult to wait through. I thought we had Godot as our returning ace, until he arrived.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 9, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've got to hope
that all the time he spent perusing Dave Duncan’s notebooks will pay off in a decade or two of pitching coaching. so it may pay off for us yet. or maybe our grandkids. [sigh]
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 9, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not the wallet, and obviously we could have spent 30 million over the past 2 years Carp
was injured for better than Carp gave us those 2 years..but as a fan i am glad he is here even if we had to pay him for those 2 years..i just wish we could get those back and have him extended for an additional 2 years with no additional pay…seems fair.
by ADMDrayson on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It only added $4mil to the payroll...
in ‘07 and ’08 (actually ’08 was an option year for $8mil…maybe we would decline?). The real problem is that he likely would have been on and incentive laden make good deal in ’09 that would have capped out much lower than $14M (probably between 8 and 10). Then he would probably get the 3/$45M deal for 2010-2012 that he’s got remaining. Overall I’d say his extension cost us $10-12mil more than if we had went year to year…not as bad as I thought…but not chump change by any means.
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by cardzfanbub on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget,
with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, that his injury happened on Opening Day Night 2007. I highly doubt that we would have even picked up the option with an $8MM base. We’d have probably declined it after reaching an understanding with Carp and then signed him to a one-year deal with a lower base and saved even more money by not paying out incentives. As you noted, we’d have then probably signed him to a second, low-base deal. Whether it would have taken us a 3-year deal now is an interesting question. Imagine wondering whether we would re-sign Carpenter and Holliday. Even if it seems like we are not going to re-sign Holliday.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how much lower the base would have been...
if the option was bought out for $1M. IIRC Carp was expected to be good to go in April of 2008, and it was a different injury (I think) that shut him down. I’m not sure that the Cards would have risked exposing carp to free agency over a couple million dollars (if that)…
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by cardzfanbub on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd take carp
over lego any day of the week.
AND, i love to watch the man pitch. lego…he’s always second fiddle to apu. carp is THE story when he toes the rubber. that’s watching pedro in the day – just an artist, a master.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
within a year or two
expect carp will be second fiddle to AW, at best. Doesn’t make him relatively less valuable, nor will it make each individual WAR out of the 6ish of lego’s 6 war less valuable than Apu’s 8 WAR next year (knock on wood), other than the premium on the 8 vs 6.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but lego and apu are same age
whereas it is expected that waino surpasses carp.
waino at his best will never be carp (few are), and holliday could conceivably make the Hall one day if he really rocks it out, whereas apu is a given already.
i guess what i’m saying is something about talent level, that at his best carp is top 5 pitcher and holliday is a really good player but not elite.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, holliday is truly an elite outfielder.
by WAR, 3rd best overall in ’09.
5th best, overall, in ’08.
2nd best, overall, in ’07.
11th best, with 4.4 WAR, in ’06.
That’s out of all LF, RF, and CF, so it’s basically 3/5/2/11 out of 90+.
And we have no guaranteed replacement-level LF to replace him.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at the plate or on the field?
I want to know who his shortstops were in front of him, in LF. I wouldn’t call Ludwick elite, but he’s a much better outfielder defensively than Holliday. He also has more chances to misplay balls than Holliday, even with Albert in front of him.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
both,
at the plate plus in the field. not sure why SS would matter, but in Co it was tulowitski, in OAK cabrera, and in STL, Ryan. All of whom are pretty good, though I think cabrera is overrated.
Anyway, H gets a HUGE hit for being an LF, yet has still been one of the top OF players in baseball when O+D is considered, over the past few years.
Also, I’m not sure my boy luddy, who i love to death, is actually better defensively than H in the outfield. I think he missed a lot more catchable balls this year than H did, in the time that they were playing on the same team. Obviously there was that one huge play in LF in the playoffs that skews everyone’s memory, but I saw luddy miss a lot of fly balls by a couple of inches in RF this year.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't get that last sentence
so, just say holliday missed by yards instead of inches – is that somehow better?
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by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd compare holliday to all position players
such as utley, longoria, etc., since there are roughly the same amount of pitchers as position players on the collective 25-man rosters of MLB. there are alot of players better than holliday out of that pool, but out of the pitcher pool only a few better than carp, and they are all younger. there are older players better than holliday and he’s in his prime. it could be semantics, but i just don’t consider holliday an elite (position) player whereas carp is an elite pitcher.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, go ahead and do that
and then report back what you find. The answer will almost cetainly be that Holiday is elite.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see how
when i’ve already made it clear that i don’t consider holliday an elite, franchise player. again, this is semantics.
off the top of my head: pujols, a-rod, utley, longoria, h,ramirez, mauer, wright, tulowitzki, a. gonzalez, sizemore, ichiro…carp, lincecum, greinke, halladay, f. hernandez, santana, verlander, rivera – that’s what i got, 11 position players and 8 pitchers.
of course this is subjective, and also depends on just how many elite players you think there are. i figured probably about twenty, and ended up with 19, and no sign of holliday.
but hey, make your own list and put him on there and then he’s an elite, franchise player. i’d be curious as to how long that list is before you get to holiday because i might rank him in the same exact spot, but that spot obviously falls out of my range of elite.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 5:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is better than Ichiro
possibly king felix too, just from that list. And I think there are better pitchers than Carp that you left out – CC, maybe Vasquez (injury concerns considered), maybe Beckett.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this whole thread reads like "I'm right, so there."
should I ask for a definition of “elite”, next?
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes he is
but ichiro is the face of the franchise so a unique player, and in that vein i seem to have forgotten jeter – same deal as ichiro.
anyway, there is no right/wrong. braun is probably better than holliday but i didn’t include him just because, as well as a pitcher in arizona. and i’d rather have jayson werth than holliday, but that’s just my personal preference.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Pronk.
I want to see the real Pronk. Oh the Indians. They make me cry.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sadly
I think you may well be seeing him.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't say that.
We may be seeing the real Travis Hafner but not the real Pronk.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just hope we don't end up with a Colbnon Raswells.
That contract is a real tragedy, especially because a team that has to compete against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays is going to be dealing with it basically until mankind invents spacetime-bending ships to get around Einstein’s theory of relativity.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey danup...
I think you’ve blocked this one out of your mind:
ST. LOUIS — Mark Mulder is staying with the St. Louis Cardinals, agreeing Wednesday to $13 million, two-year contract… The 29-year-old left-hander, recovering from rotator cuff surgery, is expected to miss the first half of next season… Mulder was 6-7 with a 7.14 ERA in 17 starts last year. He was sidelined from June 22 to Aug. 23 with rotator cuff damage and what the team called an impingement in the shoulder, which had caused him to alter his delivery. He went back on the DL on Aug. 31… “Mulder’s return will be a real boost to our rotation,” general manager Walt Jocketty said. “We’ve seen what he is capable of when healthy. Mark is very determined to return to his All-Star form.”
Not technically an extension, but one of the most astoundingly desperate double-downs in the history of general managing.
The player in question has a 7+ ERA with an obviously screwed shoulder, best case scenario he misses only the first 1/4 of the contract period, and Jocko hands him $13 million guaranteed.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait
until the Mets sign Holliday.
What do we get back in terms of draft picks? I know we don’t get a first-rounder, at least.
by craig3410 on Nov 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Which really isn't a whole lot worse than
having the Yankees sign him, depending on the amount of supplemental picks this year.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be a nice jump
Like 25 picks different. 17 Supplement picks last year
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either way....
we’re not going to get a great pick for him, but getting 2 decent picks is a nice return.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
should equal mort + peterson, probably
unfortunately…
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or we pick apu redux
out of slot
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, this system makes no sense.
You can either get a mid-first round pick, or a second round pile of beans (comparatively).
It should go as follows:
-1st round proceeds under current rules,
-Supplemental round starts with Type A compensation for teams losing FAs to one of the Top 15 teams, then the other supplemental picks
-Second round then proceeds, but skips any of the first 15 teams that signed a Type A.
Why should we have receive (so much) less compensation? Because a crappy team signed our player?
Remember the ‘compensation’ the Blue Jays got for A.J. Burnett last year? They Yankees’ 3RD ROUND PICK (late third round at that)!!! Why? Because the Yankees also signed Teixeira and Sabathia (for whom the Brewers were rewarded with a 2nd round pick). Why wouldn’t their pick just be part of the 1st Supplemental Round?
Case in point:
Compensation for Brian Fuentes: 32 and 34th picks
Compensation for Sabathia: 39th and 73rd picks
Compensation for Burnett: 37th and 104th picks
I mean, it really can’t get much more unfair than that.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 9, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it can
It can be like the system was before they reformed it, where you only got a first round pick, second round pick, third round pick, etc. and sandwich picks didn’t exist.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, obviously I'm not advising a step backward.
But that’s pretty blatant stupidity. If you’re going to create a whole new separate round, you might as well use it.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope the Red Sox get him I guess.
I don’t know if they’ll go after Bay because it seems like they really value defense. I know Holliday isn’t great, but he’s not Bay bad.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are they considered to be a serious contender?
I just didn’t think anyone besides the Angles, Red Sox, Yankees, or Mets had the capacity to give whatever ridiculous contract that Holliday wants.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants
would be crazy NOT to be a player for Holliday. They’ve got good pitching and are in need of a couple more good bats to make the leap to a legit contender.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Add someone like Delgado to play 1B
Trade Aaron Roward for Milton Bradley. Sign Holliday. Bam! They are good
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were them,
I would do this:
- Sign Matt Holliday
- Trade Aaron Rowand for Milton Bradley, straight up.
- Sign Adam LaRoche
- Re-sign Brad Penny
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looks good to me
I’d consider adding an arm or two to the pen as well.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecium is up for arbitration
So I am curious what he will get paid
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd be smart to just offer him a contract
that buys out his arb years. The Giants are going to get jobbed in arbitration at a Ryan Howard level.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was him, no way I would take away any of my free agent years though
He will get paid in arbitration. Especially if he wins another Cy Young. Like $12 to $15 in his first year of arb.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
He also needs to remember that he is a pitcher. And that pitchers get hurt for no good reason all the time.
If he has a chance to sign a 3Y$35M contract and get that money guaranteed, he’s better off and so is the team.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they've tried
he wants to go year to year.
Gotta respect his guts for taking the risk…
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 9, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fourstick made a good point earlier
that the Sox really don’t like mega long-term deals for ageing players. Whilst Bay could be had for 4 yrs, I think Holliday will need 6, which might put them off. I think he’s New York bound, one way or the other.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I am most worried about
Yankees sign Holliday
Red Sox sign Bay
Mets sign Cameron
Not a decent outfielder left just some “dry powder”
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's plenty of "decent" outfielders left
But you’d probably need two of them instead of one so that you could platoon them. I am intrigued by a platoon of Cust and Reed Johnson in LF, mainly because Johnson could play center against tough lefties as well.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No to cust
A poor fielding LFer that can’t hit lefties at all.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you miss the word "platoon"?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i got it
But I would rather Johnson platoon against tough lefties with Rasmus not the LFer.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather Rasmus played everyday
and Johnson fill in for him when he needs a day off.
Cust has a .244/.382/.483/.864 line in his career against right handed hitters and could be defensively replaced in the late innings by Johnson.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but he is so poor on defense
it takes all the good away. He is a DH
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Colby playing everyday.
I think he showed he can hit lefties in the NLDS and with more experience I think he will definitely be able to hit lefties.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really, clemsongirl?
that surprises me.
btw, colby isn’t platooning next year, or ever.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
I hide my wants so well. But really I think he should be playing everyday, adorableness or not.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if that happens we can make a run at one of the better SPs or try to get Beltre
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but signing Beltre
makes Freese useless.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
We should plug holes that are actually holes.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 9, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that;s ridiculous
beltre is much better than freese. In the same way that Cameron/Damon etc will be better than Craig. It’ll be a push for Freese/Craig to be 2WAR players in their first year at 3B/LF. Beltre and Cameron are both 4 win guys.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
remember cameron's value is tied to him playing CF
if he is really playing left for us, his value drops considerably due to positional adjustments
by FunkeeC on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but in theory he should also be much better in LF
Like a +15 fielder in LF
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That hasn't been proven to be true, actually
he might be the same or worse in LF, actually, due to playing a different position, not reading the ball as well, etc.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freese is more likely than Craig to be a 2 WAR player,
while Cameron is more likely to be healthy and be 3+ WAR than Beltre.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 9, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The discussion was "what do we do if Bay, Holliday AND CAMERON are signed by other teams".
What Cameron might do is totally moot in this case (and yes, I’ve been beating the Cameron drum harder than anyone, I think).
I could go either way about Freese or Craig; I respect your opinion but I’m not necessarily sure Freese (.387 wOBA at AAA) at 3B is a lock to be better than Craig (.400 wOBA at AAA) in LF; obviously defence plays a part but I don’t think there’s much to separate them.
Beltre’s last 4 years have averaged (including freak nutsack injury last year) 3.53 WAR, Cameron’s last 4 years have averaged 3.72 WAR. Beltre’s 30, Cameron’s 36. Beltre should get a small jump in offence by getting out of Safeco, not sure about Cameron. Both players have most of their value tied up in defence. Both are currently healthy AFAIK.
Yup, I’m for Cameron over Beltre but I don’t think the difference is as big as you think, and IF Cameron isn’t available, I certainly wouldn’t mind keeping Beltre and maybe trading Freese to someone who needs a 3B.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Safeco is actually a better hitters park
than Busch III. He will get a bump by moving to a weaker league but probably not until after a month or two of adjusting, kinda like Holliday. He’s played in the NL before, so that would probably help his adjustment.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron already played for the Mets
and requested a trade when he was moved out of CF to accommodate Beltran. Doubt he’ll go back.
by ubeddie on Nov 9, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was in the other main thread today, actually...
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's LF at fenway
a mediocre jai lai player could handle it, and look good
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously Dan, how could you have missed this one...
I mean, it’s so obvious and right in your own backyard……
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ah sweet memories
DeRosa will be the odd man out, with Miles basically taking his job.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, who's the bigger goat?
Jim Hendry, for think he could replace DeRosa with Aaron Miles and Milton Bradley.
OR
John Mozeliak, for trading Chris Perez and Jess Todd for a guy who was replaced by Aaron Miles and Milton Bradley.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who's got the three-way trade?
someone posted the full quote-endquote “three-way” trade among Cards, Indians, Cubs. I think I remember all the players but I can’t be certain.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of DeRosa...
Goold tweets that the Phillies are going after him…
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 9, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm actually surprised there hasn't been more noise about the yanks going after derosa.
one of their huge problems was a-rod going down for more than a month. derosa would seem, if healthy, like a very good backup for their squad.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait
I’m sure by the time it’s all said and done, every FA’s agent will have planted a “Yankees interested in my client” rumor in the press.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
probably true
I’m surprised (well, not really) that the Phillies might be in on him. With Utley and their outfield, his “versatility” (i.e. his biggest plus) is meaningless, so he’ll just be a 3B. It seems to me that Beltre makes more sense for them than any other possible FA deal out there for ANYONE – good defender to replace Feliz, check. RH power that’s been sapped by a pitcher’s park (reducing his value) that will play very well in CBP, check, upgrade on their 2009 3B, check, available on (likely) a decent contract for 2-3 years, check.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on Beltre,
but signing Ibanez to a 3-year deal worked so well, why not another late-30s acquisition? And there’s always the Man Stew to consider.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'mma wait two years before I decree the Ibanez deal a glowing success ;-)
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when you look at his second half....
First half: .309/.367/.649/1.015
Second half: .232/.326/.448/.774
That should make you shiver if you’re a Philly fan.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Tim McCarver proclaimed Ibanez “one of the great postseason acquisition of…recent…years” during the World Series. Good enough for me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 9, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
utley had his hip surgery too -- just because he's good doesn't make him immortal.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the Mang's elbow is due to fall off any day now
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he'll grow another one
more mang-like and less human-like
by from First to Third on Nov 9, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i concur, felonius
i could see dero going to philly, absolutely, but not as a solution to their 3B, manuel wants to upgrade the bench (bruntlett) and dero fits the bill, but are they spending that money + a thirdbaseman (beltre), and is dero down with that? i just can’t see philly emloying dero as THE 3B.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They can't have all of my favorite former Indians!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
Just remember that the Yankees ended up with Sabathia. That makes you feel better, right?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sox have v-mart, too.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are all evil.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
have a bite of my apple.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ce ne sont pas des Indiens.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does making me cry give you pleasure?
I can’t even minimize it because the subject line is sad. And I don’t remember if that’s proper French or not, which also makes me sad.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"aw, don't cry, CG. we'll always have cleveland."

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Grady.
He better not go breaking my heart either. Or the FO better not go using him to break my heart.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/elton john
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Philadelphia Freedom!

I promise I’m stopping now, I’m not really a mean person ClemsonGirl.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had to rely on Babelfish, and I don't know if it's actually correct either.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not knowing French FTW
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But I do know French.
Or used to. The more I think about it, I’m pretty sure that’s right.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry clemsongirl
unless in disguise, they are the Indians. you can always French Grammar Nazi him…hmmm. French Nazis.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman
At least he attributes his information to Scott Boras.
Though the St. Louis Post-Dispatch suggested that the "framework’’ of a contract offer to the 29-year-old Holliday, estimated to be $96 million for six years, has been put forth, Boras said on Sunday that the Cardinals have made no proposals. In cases of star players, Boras won’t accept offers below a certain level (with Teixeira it was $160 million just to get into the game), and someone else close to Holliday wondered how such a reported contract bid could reasonably be accepted by Holliday considering that Alfonso Soriano, in some respects a less accomplished and more flawed player, received $136 million for eight years three winters ago from the Cubs. In any case, the chances for Holliday to remain a Cardinal look slim at this point.
Beyond the Cardinals and Red Sox, the Mets, Giants, Braves, Cubs, Mariners and Yankees could be in the market for either of the two corner outfielders. Some teams have already checked in on Holliday, who is said by a friend to have at least the Yankees, and quite likely the Mets — who are desperate for a power-hitting outfielder after a disastrous season in which they most often employed possibly the two worst defensive left fielders in baseball (Gary Sheffield and Daniel Murphy) — high on his list of preferred places, and the Mets are believed to have Holliday higher than Bay on their wish list.
So, is this just a Boras press release?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Meh. I don't think he'll be back anyway.
time to focus all our energies on MIKE CAMERON.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading that was making me sad...
then I saw the $136 mil the Cubs signed Liability to and it made me happy again
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman's opinion
based on Strauss’ guess.
by ubeddie on Nov 9, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
holliday
wants to hit at Citi? yeah, so does david wright.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so ... is this Boog ruining UZR?
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5648369
But not in the sense that he’s inflating his numbers or shaving it off someone else’s? [kind of gets it but is trying to grasp how to explain it to someone else]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I got lost in a Boog vortex there
It seems as though mlb.com figured out who he was in September and October. They have way more highlights for him towards the end of the season.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's a travesty that his stuff doesn't make it on
like the game where he dodged a broken bat shard and still threw to Albert? not-there.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*sigh*
That’s a damn shame, because I remember how awesome that was. I must have made some sort of “HFS!” exclamation because I remember my SO came downstairs to ask what he missed and I rewound it so we could see it again.
I really wish I had room on the DVR for the whole season. I would have (illegally) curated an entire library of clips to watch over and over again. Without the express written consent of Major League Baseball. I’m just kidding, FBI!!
/puts on tinfoil hat
I wonder how good a video card needs to be to manage HD recordings? I am thinking about buying myself a laptop for Xmas (I need it for school anyway).
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Official Elias Rankings Released
Interesting that Vlad is only a Type B, Huff is a no comp player (who plays 3B, incidentally, although not very well), and Melvin Mora is now my favorite candidate to not be signed this offseason.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so, should melvin mora just retire? nobody's going to give up a pick for him.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is a Type A?
He should accept arbitration than.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I presume he won't be offered arbitration at this point
by mojowo11 on Nov 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A?
Wow. Beginning to worry about these rankings.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mora is a Type B
Braden Looper is a Type B, too. After a 5.74 FIP, negative 0.9 WAR season, Looper is still a Type B!!!
Cardinals fan from Korea
by FreeRedbird on Nov 9, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's got a mutual option
though I’m not sure it’ll be picked up. I wonder if the Brewers shouldn’t dump him and go after Lackey with the money they saved with a few of the guys off the books (Hardy, Cameron, Looper) this year.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 6:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they will
plus a couple reclamations of varying degrees. this is likely our competition – hard to believe after the hardy deal, but nonetheless.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he'll be offered arbitration
but then again, the Orioles front office is not filled with the brightest bulbs in the box.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
what is it about front office circuses and proximity to DC?
by _pistol_ on Nov 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying there is a correlation between that city and inept, inefficient management and lack of prudent long-term thinking?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hwat did you say about inept, inefficient management?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who is responsible for all those good young players?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Bavasi, mostly.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is that the seattle shuffle?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rays pick up crawford's option.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do I smell a meme a-brewin'?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only sure way to kill a meme
Is to call it a meme in its infant stages.
by mojowo11 on Nov 9, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ack. That wasn't actually my intention, damn my clumsiness.
A meme is a terrible thing to waste.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should have called "fist" a meme
If we call it a meme enough times does that make up for anything?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 9, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it does not make it into the glossary that way.
it might make up for other things.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm riding fist as long as i can
(waits….)
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said.
/You’re wait is over sir.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 9, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also what she said.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
out of control again
do your parents know you are at college?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
calling something a meme
with the intention of killing the meme
before it becomes a fully-fledged meme
…the new VEB meme?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YEEAAAAAAAH!!
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Nov 9, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you just blew my mind
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This might become a VEB meta-meme
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
twss
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 10, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't i do it baby?
i always come up with my best stuff when no one’s reading.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the tao that can be named
is not the tao.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This comment pleases me absurdly.
The only thing that VEB has been lacking has been a lil’ Lao Tzu.
by Kind_Al on Nov 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said...
Wait I think I did that wrong.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if I send you an email
you will see about 7 Lao Tzu quotes
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 10, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's douching?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 9, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think that
he’s the first guy who gets traded next year. They can stick their top prospect in LF and if he fails, they can always put Zobrist out there with Brignac at SS or 2B.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and his contract will be easily moved
I’m sure a lot of teams would like crawford
by from First to Third on Nov 9, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't know about the first
but he’s moving. duh, they picked up the option. rays probably want a pitcher, but don’t know pena’s contract situation offhand.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Anyone ever been to an Arizona Fall League game?
I’m going this weekend, and was just wondering if it’s like Spring Training or MiLB. I imagine there won’t be too many people there. What I’m really wondering is whether they sell beer, and whether they have cool between-innings activities.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 9, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to bet they sell beer.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
$5?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 9, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Internet dollars.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball without beer is un-American.
Adam Dunn would approve.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 9, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
$7 beers
will be punished one day as a crime against humanity in war tribunals.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
we can actually get ballpark beers for only $7 somewhere?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 9, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're telling me
that Schlafly Pale’s are no longer going for $6.50 at Busch, then just don’t tell me.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard rumors Wrigley beer is cheap
which really fits in with the theme they have going at the stadium for everything but tickets and player, but still. I went to a game this spring with a friend who was shocked at the beer price. I then had to point out that when you have a new stadium to pay off beer prices go up.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's practically falling from the sky
just ask shane victorino.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well played...
you get such a rec for that it’s not even funny.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tudor for UN general secretary.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 9, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I paid $8 for shitt miller lite at Yankee stadium last year
glad they’re grinding that place to dust….
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's now $14 at New Yankee Stadium I think
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck
I paid less than that to drink in a classy winebar with an amazing 71st floor view in expensive singapore the other week.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Na, $10 gets you the souvenir tall domestic shit
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 12, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go ask the Diamonbacks blog
They go to the games actually.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe 300 in attendance
beer? bring a keg.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mo says he wants to meet with Boras about Holliday.
Boras has publicly likened Holliday’s value to another of his clients, first baseman Mark Teixeira, who received an eight-year, $180 deal from the New York Yankees last winter. Holliday is also seeking full no-trade protection. Those numbers are believed to far exceed the Cardinals’ reach.
but
Asked about Boras’ comments regarding Holliday’s projected value, Mozeliak said, "I’m not letting anything I read become a guideline for how I approach a discussion or a negotiation."
translation: “$180M? Oh HELL no!”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to know the real, actual top dollar for Mo and the bottom for Boras.
I give these negotiations a one in a billion chance of success.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 9, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if a court in the land
would convict anyone of physical assault of Boras… Some jerks just need to be taken out back and beaten with a hose to learn how to play nice with everyone else.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he was representing you,
I’m sure that your attitude towards him would change.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so you're telling me there's a chance...
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing it totally depends on whether the Yankees are in
which they should (and probably will) be. If it’s us, the Mets and the Giants (anyone else you can think of?) as major players, I’m guessing he doesn’t get more than $130m. If the Yanks are involved I could see them blowing everyone out of the water with 7/150m or something.
I don’t think we should go above 100m or 6 years, so, realistically, I guess I’m saying “I don’t think we should sign Holliday”. It would’ve been nice if he’d taken a discount to stay with us but with these sums of money being bandied about, I’mma say no thanks.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't like the no-trade, either
he’s not our franchise player, and we’re not the yanks
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he isn't today.
he very well could be next year. We’re spoiled, what with Albert’s constant 8-9 WAR production, and all. Unfortunately, by WAR, we were one half of one achey elbow away from being the pirates in ’09.
careful what you wish for, is all I’m saying.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think holliday is a "franchise player"
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for your input
but you are wrong. See above.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
umm
i disagree, and perhaps it is semantics – see above.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
see what?
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 3:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
look higher
right there, above your head.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 5:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals desperately need him...
They have to be willing to go 7/126…. As for Holliday, I’m sure he’s thinking minimum 6/100.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 9, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
7/126
wow, no thanks
6/100, eh, um, we could do worse. at least he’s not a pitcher
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you say the words 'beer can' in a British accent, it sounds like you're saying 'bacon' in a Jamaican accent.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
MLIA?
I’m pretty sure that’s where I read that.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The one place the English have us
They actually pronounce the h in “herbs”.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 9, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a fan
ouf the extraneous u’s that get added to their wourds? Cause really whou doesn’t louve that?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"... because there's a f***ing 'h' in it!"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i actually hate
all the subtle differences between british and american english because it’s my schtick. i’ve been in many-a heated argument over what exactly a biscuit is
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I quite like it.
I tend to agree about the extraneous "u"s in words (rumours etc.), although I don’t know which way “sounds” more right. In a way, I think the “ou” sound is closer to how you pronounce those words than the “o” sound. The other wierd one is “grey” and “gray”.
We don’t have “biscuits” in the american southern sense here so there’s no real need for a word for them. Although I believe back in the olden days “biscuits” were (in the UK) used as a savoury (or is it savory?!) food for sailors, so maybe we did. Anyhow, biscuits and cookies might as well be interchangeable here because southern US cuisine hasn’t really caught on!
I also think “sidewalk” probably makes more straightforward grammatical sense than “pavement”….
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm never sure whether to use grey or gray.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gray = yank, grey = UK
Earl Grey tea is named after a person called Earl Grey (a british prime minister of the 19th century).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was taught in grade school that both were acceptable
To this day I use both.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gandalf is the Grey
a Canadian friend of mine said gray is for America.
I imagine Adam Dunn uses grey.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gandalf is the Grey
a Canadian friend of mine said gray is for America.
I imagine Adam Dunn uses grey.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was always taught this too.
And since I also use both my students will be taught this as well.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you should have the courage of your convictions and swing one way or the other.
(TWSS)
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love all the idiomatic differences.
Aside from just being superficially charming the way an accent is charming, I think it’s interesting how many differences in idioms there are. A subway station in the U.S. would never tell you to “mind the gap.” That would just sound funny to Americans. Other favorites of mine include “quid”, “zed” and “queue” which is not unique to Britain, but Americans almost always refer to a queue as a “line.” As in, “hey, you’re going to have to wait in line for that $8 Miller Lite like everyone else, buddy!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if there's one thing the brits can do
it’s queue. I think it’s a pretty nice word too. I also like “zed” but I concede that it probably makes less sense than “zee”.
There’s a lot of differences in the terms used for different foodstuffs too, which can be quite confusing – all the cuts and joints of beef are totally different, for instance (and it’s impossible to get hanger steak here, which I really like), you say “O-re-gano” and we say “orE-gano”, aren’t courgettes called “zucchini” (maybe an anti-french thing?) as well?
For some reason I’ve never worked out, bread is sweet and generally unpleasant in the US, you can’t get decent cheese, and you can’t get good sausages (except for, say, the spicy mexican and italian varieties), despite all the Polish, Italian and Irish immigrants over the years, and yet American steak (and some other types of meat, mostly of the BBQ type) is of a far higher quality to what you get in the UK, generally. Also, whilst cheap beer generally sucks equally everywhere (although I think Bud and Miller are almost uniquely awful, I think it’s the rice and the slightly cloying sweetness and lack of any bitters), American beer is grossly under-rated on this side of the pond. I think there’s probably more good micro-brew type beer brewed in the US than anywhere else.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
American beer and wine has been slowly recovering ever since prohibition
Missouri used to be one of the best wine states in the Union, which is almost inconceivable to a young person like me. Places like North Coast and Rogue are really starting to grow in size and recognition.
I’m confused about the “oregano” pronunciations… I have always stressed the “e” and I think most Americans do. Are you saying that Americans tend to separate the “o” and the “r” more or something?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yanks say o-RE-gano
Brits say o-ri-GAno
I think that’s more accurate. We say the first two syllables flatly, and stress the AAARRRNo bit, whereas you say “gunno” at the end. That’s about as well as I can explain it in words, I think.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I see
That makes lots more sense, actually. Thanks.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
The way Brits say “oregano” is more similar to the way Yanks say “origami” than it is to the way Yanks say “oregano”.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactamundo, Mr C.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aluminium
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That I do not understand.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
find a kindly brit and ask them to say aluminum
your world will be turned upside-down
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. I know they say it lie that.
I just don’t know why.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
like*
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because that's how it's spelt.
from wikipedia:
Nomenclature history
The earliest citation given in the Oxford English Dictionary for any word used as a name for this element is alumium, which British chemist and inventor Humphry Davy employed in 1808 for the metal he was trying to isolate electrolytically from the mineral alumina. The citation is from his journal Philosophical Transactions: “Had I been so fortunate as..to have procured the metallic substances I was in search of, I should have proposed for them the names of silicium, alumium, zirconium, and glucium.”43
By 1812, Davy had settled on aluminum. He wrote in the journal Chemical Philosophy: “As yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state.”44 But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, “for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound.”45
The -ium suffix had the advantage of conforming to the precedent set in other newly discovered elements of the time: potassium, sodium, magnesium, calcium, and strontium (all of which Davy had isolated himself). Nevertheless, -um spellings for elements were not unknown at the time, as for example platinum, known to Europeans since the sixteenth century, molybdenum, discovered in 1778, and tantalum, discovered in 1802.
The -um suffix on the other hand, has the advantage of being more consistent with the universal spelling alumina for the oxide, as lanthana is the oxide of lanthanum, and magnesia, ceria, and thoria are the oxides of magnesium, cerium, and thorium respectively.
The spelling used throughout the 19th century by most U.S. chemists ended in -ium, but common usage is less clear.46 The -um spelling is used in the Webster’s Dictionary of 1828, as it was in 1892 when Charles Martin Hall published an advertising handbill for his new electrolytic method of producing the metal, despite his constant use of the -ium spelling in all the patents40 he filed between 1886 and 1903.47 It has consequently been suggested that the spelling reflects an easier to pronounce word with one fewer syllable, or that the spelling on the flier was a mistake. Hall’s domination of production of the metal ensured that the spelling aluminum became the standard in North America; the Webster Unabridged Dictionary of 1913, though, continued to use the -ium version.
In 1926, the American Chemical Society officially decided to use aluminum in its publications; American dictionaries typically label the spelling aluminium as a British variant.
Present-day spelling
Most countries spell aluminium with an i before -um. In the United States, the spelling aluminium is largely unknown, and the spelling aluminum predominates.4849 The Canadian Oxford Dictionary prefers aluminum, whereas the Australian Macquarie Dictionary prefers aluminium.
The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990, but three years later recognized aluminum as an acceptable variant. Hence their periodic table includes both.50 IUPAC officially prefers the use of aluminium in its internal publications, although several IUPAC publications use the spelling aluminum.51
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you learn something new everyday.
I’m still calling aluminum although aluminium is a highly amusing word.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I maintain, for the reasons stated in the wikipedia text above
that “aluminum” make more sense linguistically since it makes itself more internally consistent. If there are other elements that end in -um and not -ium, and aluminum conforms to other naming practices as those other -um elements, then keeping it as -um makes more sense to me.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Eddie!
Great to see him mentioned here. ‘Because, well, there is a f***ing h in there!’
by Woodwork on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is it, Lieftenant Sebastian?
Well, it’s just the Rebels, sir… they’re here.
Good God man! … Do they want tea?
No, I’m afraid they’re after rather a bit more than that, sir. I don’t know what it is, but they’ve brought a flag.
Damn! That’s dash cunning of them!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so
to anyone currently going through withdrawal and with a os3 or 360, i would strongly recommend mlb 09 the show. game is so fun. and so realistic. not meaning just graphics and physics (which are also very realistic) but this is the ultimate video game for baseball fans. you really have to be able to recognize a slider and a change up and know the right time to take off for second on a steal attempt and etc. you can start off by creating a player and getting drafted and invited to spring training (i’m currently a lf playing for the tulsa drillers and tearing up the texas league) or you can do franchise or season mode. haven’t messed with franchise mode yet, but for season mode, i have forced trading on and ignore budget constraints turned on, so i have a team where braun, zimmerman, pedroia, howard, etc are bench players. it’s still pretty hard and i have a losing record so far in spring training, but holy shit it is addictive
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the words i've so longed for from a baseball video game
“i have a losing record so far”
that’s one huge realism gap that’s been constant over the years of baseball video games. my friend was telling me all about how he plays such-and-such-year-so-and-so every day…and has a 108-0 record. if you rock at a baseball game, you should win 105 games the entire season. tops. you should also not have a player threatening to enter hack wilson territory during the course of any given season.
bonus points if you have a mini game where you go to the dominican to buy a fake birth certificate. i keed, i keed…
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always made the point that
you should be allowed to use the juice in baseball and football games with the chance of getting caught. Or paying your players during recruiting in college games. It would really make the games 1000 times better.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the way it should be.
But there is no way any league would agree to that game having their logos and player names.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it will never happen
but it would be so awesome if it did.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and you can't get the show for 360. Amd it's really difficult not to win in the other game.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I played with Fire... And got burnt
I was driving home when that light that seem to be just so bright went out. It was a flame that I thought could not be extinguished. My car jerk backwards and forwards. I knew what was happening and knew I didn’t have much time. I quickly pulled into a subdivision to where my car died. I ran out of a gas. I bellowed a war cry of “KRAMER!!!” as I began my journey to the gas station.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i wonder what it would take to get brad hawpe
allen craig and brian anderson?
eh?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 9, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ugh. Hawpe?
If we want a dreadful glove in LF we might as well just save the prospects and pony up for Bay.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 6:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jebus
Hawpe’s even worse than Bay. BY UZR HE’S EVEN WORSE THAN DUNN!!!!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So it looks like Matt Leach at least reads Beyond the Box Score
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 9, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if you all ever wonder if there is a God & if He has a sense of humor
remember this.
i’ve been really sick for a while now, strep & a nasty case of the flu. and tonight, right out of the blue as i’m laying here in a drug induced haze, i get a pic sent to my phone of a scantly clad lass wanting to engage in some, oh how shall i put this, adult fun time. but can i? no. hell i can barely even keep my head up let alone,, well you get the picture.
so yes Virgina, there is a God. and he likes to laugh. he likes to laugh a lot.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 10, 2009 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We were wondering where you were.
And by “we,” I mean me and some other commenters; I can’t recall exactly who (m?).
Hope you feel better.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CodyG was.
Because CodyG considers himself the next gdm. I think he was hoping for some mentoring.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought CodyG was trying to eliminate him or something
getting confirmation of the hit…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
6ly?
why in the world would someone want to be like me?
i feel better today andi. i’m confused though about many things. like why dan is putting up multiple stores a day. why cody wants to be me. why a woman who i haven’t even talked to in months is sending me pics of her in lingerie. why am i getting so sick & taking forever to get over it. i never used to get sick, now i’ve been sick three times this year with flu & strep. wtf.
ahh life’s little mysteries. what would we do without them?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 10, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
glad you feel a little better
why a woman who i haven’t even talked to in months is sending me pics of her in lingerie
Besides the obvious and more desirable answer (she genuinely likes you and wants a piece of the gdm action), here are some other cruel possibilities:
1. she just broke up with/had a fight with her boyfriend/ex and wants attention
2. she’s fucking with you because somebody just hurt her and she wants to hurt somebody else
3. somebody hijacked her phone and is trying to set you up
4. ??
5. profit!!
um, wait. meme: i’m doin’ it wrong.
why am i getting so sick & taking forever to get over it. i never used to get sick, now i’ve been sick three times this year with flu & strep. wtf.
global flu pandemic, see 1918.
Nice, cheery thoughts to make you feel better! You’re welcome.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think I have ever seen that meme done in a better way
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 10, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know this girl, i know her very well
and i’m betting it’s a combo of 1 & 2. but i want to believe she’s finally into me. i want to believe it with every fiber of my being. i just can’t trust her because i do know her so well. she’s always messed with me before, but she’s never done anything like this. there’s a very good reason why she went nuclear, i just don’t know what it is. and when i asked her last night why she sent the pic, she just said “because i wanted to.” i haven’t heard from her sence & i don’t know if i should try & talk to her or not.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 10, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say go for it
If you get some, it might change your luck, and then you might be able to go to Cards’ games again. What is the worse thing that can happen?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Nov 10, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't even know what to say to this lass at this point
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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
talking is overrated
just text her your address and go grab a beer
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 11, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
throw in a photo
so there can be no misunderstanding
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she knows where i live & i know where she lives
and i’m not taking a photo of myself & sending it to a woman.
again.
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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so are you saying your God is like my GOB?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Nov 10, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if they aren't one in the same, they are probably related
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by gdm426 on Nov 10, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
before reading any comments, danup
so i may be late to the party, but your last sentence, YES!
I remember posting this thought back on a discussion of his extension, but here is a guy – a closer- with a conscience. a guy who admittedly felt uncomfortable about taking over for izzy under the circumstances, and you heap this burden of riches, of expectations, upon his back to take into the rest of the season and playoffs, with a clause to boot about his compensation in case he is not the closer going forward (IIRC, but irregardless)? this is not a man with the psyche of an assasin.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 5:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he needs the psyche of an assassin
he was clearly dominant by going out there as a guy punching the clock. the minute someone asked him to stick his goat-beard into the extreme Pap-induced shredder of closing like you’ve got swords on fire — he faltered.
his most telling bounce-back moment was playing catch with his son. I just don’t think Cardinal Nation should expect him to go out there like the guy he’s not. let him go out there like Ryan Franklin. he and Yadi are a particularly good team, they like to get guys out with guile and elbow grease.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he needs the psyche of an assassin
he was clearly dominant by going out there as a guy punching the clock. the minute someone asked him to stick his goat-beard into the extreme Pap-induced shredder of closing like you’ve got swords on fire — he faltered.
his most telling bounce-back moment was playing catch with his son. I just don’t think Cardinal Nation should expect him to go out there like the guy he’s not. let him go out there like Ryan Franklin. he and Yadi are a particularly good team, they like to get guys out with guile and elbow grease.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i am *so* SBN'd.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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