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Anybody read Bob Gibson's new book yet?

It's entitled "Sixty Feet, Six Inches," written with Reggie Jackson (ghost written by Lonnie Wheeler, who I believe wrote Gibby's last book).  I've viewed a couple of the videos on Amazon.com, and, as always, love listening to my favorite player and Cardinal of all time.  I can pass on Mr. October, although he's knowledgable about the game.  However, I haven't ordered the book yet - may ask for it for Christmas present.  Anybody read it so far?  Thoughts or critiques?


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thanks for the reminder

heard Gibson on the television promoting it a week or so back, and meant to order it, but forgot. Now remedied.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 9, 2009 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

I, myself, would prefer "Cutting the Game"

But that Gibson book sounds pretty awesome.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

I read his first one that he wrote in the 90s about a year ago, I forgot what it was called

by Notorious PSC on Nov 13, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

It was called

“Stranger To The Game”

by yonjuro on Nov 14, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Gibson's first book was

“From Ghetto to Glory.”

Saw “Sixty Ft. Six Inches” in the book store yesterday. Would have considered purchasing it had it not been for Jackson’s co-authorship. I can’t respect the baseball “expertise” of a guy whose lifetime batting average was .262 — one of the lowest of all HOF outfielders. If Gibby had ever faced off against “Mr. October” in October — or any other month — he would have made mince meat out of him.

"The Detroit Tigers' biggest obstacle to a championship will be keeping a straight face. The Tigers in three. (OK, make it four.)"
- Bob Nightengale's World Series prediction in USA Today, Oct. 20, 2006

by StLouisSwifties on Nov 19, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Did I mention

Reg-gie is also the all time leader in strikeouts (2,597)?

"The Detroit Tigers' biggest obstacle to a championship will be keeping a straight face. The Tigers in three. (OK, make it four.)"
- Bob Nightengale's World Series prediction in USA Today, Oct. 20, 2006

by StLouisSwifties on Nov 19, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Gibson lead the league in walks as often as he did strikeouts.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 19, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Your point being?

Not sure if you’re attempting to compare Gibson’s uncharacteristically high 1961 walk total to Jackson’s chronically high strikeout rate, but, for the record, Reggie led the league in K’s more than he led in HR’s — for whatever that’s worth. And, as far as career totals, Gibby is nowhere near the top of the pitchers’ BB list.

Gibson led the league in walks once, early in his career, before he learned control. Once his minor league mentor Johnny Keane took over the reins as Cardinals manager from the inhospitable Solly Hemus — who was openly hostile towards Gibson, Flood, White, and other black players on the team — he gradually came into his own. While he only led the league in strikeouts once, he was consistently among the league leaders, and in fact once held the record for total seasons with 200+ strikeouts with nine.

"The Detroit Tigers' biggest obstacle to a championship will be keeping a straight face. The Tigers in three. (OK, make it four.)"
- Bob Nightengale's World Series prediction in USA Today, Oct. 20, 2006

by StLouisSwifties on Nov 19, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Gibby had the same BB/9

his last year in the league as he did in 1961.

Not knocking Gibby, just saying every player has his faults. Like Jackson, who was an incredible hitter.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 20, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Gibson was 39 years old in 1975,

his last year in the league, when his BB/9 reached the same level it had been in 1961 (5.1). In the years between it never rose above 3.9 — and was that high only in 1974, the year he blew out his knee (which hastened the end of his career).

Every player has a career arc, so using someone’s final seasons (or their first few, with the exception of Pujols) as a representative sample is not representative of that player at all — unless it’s a guy like Koufax, who retired at his peak. Frankly, I feel a little ridiculous defending Bob Gibson. His peak numbers certainly speak for themselves, as do his more phenomenal postseason numbers, and his legend is solidly cemented in the history of the game.

Jackson was a good hitter, but only if you’re looking at his power numbers; he cleared the .290 mark in BA only 3 times in a 21 year career, hitting .300 only once (an even.300 in 1980). He didn’t really draw a lot of walks, clearing 90 only twice. Even as a power hitter I would never go so far as to call him “incredible,” even when considering his overall postseason stats *. He had a couple of great world series, but I have always felt that his lasting “Mr. October” moniker owes more to a single game in the ‘77 series than to his overall October performances. Unless it’s the fact that he performed better in his postseasons than in his regular seasons. As far as his regular season career, he basically ushered in the era of the modern power hitter: lotsa home runs, but lotsa strikeouts too. And, while a comparable power hitter of today, Ryan Howard, consistently drives in over 100 runs per season to balance out his astronomical K rate, Jackson only cleared 100 RBI six times. That’s not bad… but he played for a lot of championship teams, so you’d assume there were many more guys on base for him to drive in than the numbers he delivered.

Now, all that said, I don’t dislike Reggie Jackson. He’s an intelligent guy, a decent on-air analyst, and he certainly belongs in the HOF despite his low career BA. — though he shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as upper-echelon guys like Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Musial, Williams, DiMaggio, Aaron, etc. He gets points for being a colorful figure, something that always benefits baseball. My original point was that I can’t take seriously his insights on hitting, given all the reasons stated above.

 * Jackson went .278-.358-.527 in the postseason. Compare that to Ruth’s .326-.467-.744, Jimmie Foxx’s .344-.425-.609, Lou Brock’s .399-.424-.655, or Gehrig’s .361-.477-.731. Or even Albert’s .322-.431-.578.

"The Detroit Tigers' biggest obstacle to a championship will be keeping a straight face. The Tigers in three. (OK, make it four.)"
- Bob Nightengale's World Series prediction in USA Today, Oct. 20, 2006

by StLouisSwifties on Nov 20, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be sure to put mark you down in the "no"

to McGwire ever getting to the HOF

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Never say never...

Big Mac’s lifetime BA is one point higher than Jackson’s. ;-)

"The Detroit Tigers' biggest obstacle to a championship will be keeping a straight face. The Tigers in three. (OK, make it four.)"
- Bob Nightengale's World Series prediction in USA Today, Oct. 20, 2006

by StLouisSwifties on Nov 19, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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