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Brendan Ryan: the 2009 Cardinals honorary hacker of the year.

I just saw "Men who Stare at Goats" last night.  Weirdest movie ever.  I laughed my ass off throughout the thing, but damned if I knew what it was actually about.  Accordingly, I got home late last night, so I don't have time for a full post, but I have a couple of things that I wanted to link to that I thought you'd all enjoy.

We'll start off with a very cool modification of WAR from Alex Krolewski at Beyond the Boxscore, called PZR Win Values.  Before you read that, let me give you a brief history of what WAR actually is.  The AR part of WAR stands for Above Replacement, and generally represents some minor league scrub who each team has.  Think guys like Brad Thompson or Blake Hawksworth.  You would expect such a player to put up an ERA of over 5 if he was in the rotation.

The W part stands for Wins, and it represents how much production over that replacement level player you can expect from a given player.  Wins are calculated mathematically (you can read the 
gory math details here), and are devoid of context (pitching to the score doesn't get you any cookie points).  They can be calculated using a plehtora of run estimators:

ERA... you should probably know this one.

FIP... attempts to take out some of the aspects of ERA that are much less under a pitchers control, such as defense and timing.  It relies on home runs, walks and strikeouts to rate pitchers.  Despite it's simplicity, or maybe because of it, it is the most used defense independent pitching stat out there.  Kincaid, over at 3-D Baseball recently wrote a two part series further explaining how it works, that I encourage you all to read.

tRA... is like FIP on crack, in a good way.  It includes the basic elements of FIP, but also adds a pitchers batted ball numbers to give them more credit for inducing weaker contact.

There are others, but those are the main three.  You can see problems with each of them however.  ERA is too reliant on things that are mainly out of a pitchers control, like defense, and thus doesn't measure pitcher skill very well.  FIP and tRA eliminate defense, but also timing, which can be a problem.  A pitcher who gives up a walk then a home run, is just as valuable by these estimates as a pitcher who gives up a home run followed by a walk.

Enter PZR.  PZR is a modification of of UZR, which is a stat developed by Mitchel Lichtman, a former consultant to the St. Louis Cardinals, to credit fielders with their defensive contributions on balls in play.  UZR takes many, many parameters into account including how hard the ball is hit, the batted ball tendencies of the pitcher on the mound, the location of each batted ball and many others.  You can read more about it here and here.  

Anyway, PZR takes UZR inputs and applies them to pitchers instead.  So instead of measuring feilding prowess, it measures how hard to field each pitches balls in play are.  Once you get those numbers, you can adjust each pitchers ERA accordingly.  That makes an adjustment for defense, while not taking out the timing aspect of pitching.  If you use PZR modified ERA to calculate WAR, you get some very interesting results, as Alex demonstrated in the link above.

If anyone has any questions about PZR or WAR, speak up, and I'm sure we'll be able to help.

Star-divide


Next, the Pittsburgh Pirates (I know, don't laugh, they're not that bad) are looking for a programmer/analyst to help their front office with front office stuff.  If you have skills in SQL and other computery stuff, you should check out this link and see if you are interested in the job.  Also, it's probably good if you live in Pittsburgh.  

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Next up, at the Hardball Times, Max Marchi looks at the best and worst bad ball hitters and pitchers in baseball.  Using Pitch f/x data, he looked at which hitters swung at the highest percentage of pitches seen in the bad ball zone, and then which are most and least successful at hitting those pitches when they swing at them.  He repeats the study for pitchers as well. 

Suprisingly, no Cardinals show up in any of the leader boards, but using a variation of Max's method, I present to you the most hackiest Cardinals this year.  I say variation, because I wasn't able to reproduce the code he wrote that figured out the bad ball zone based off of where pitches are called strikes.  Instead, I simply looked at pitches that were at least a half a foot off the strike zone for each batter hand.  Anyway, here are the Cardinal leaders this year, with a minimum of 200 pitches seen in the bad ball zone:

Name Pitches seen in bad ball zone Bad ball swinging %
Brendan Ryan 230 15.7%
Rick Ankiel 256 14.5%
Colby Rasmus
319 13.2%
Skip Schumaker
359 11.4%
Matt Holliday 648 10.7%

 

*with Oakland and Stl.

League average is around 11%, so the Cardinals don't seem to be so bad.  Unfortunately, Pitch f/x data doesn't include which team each player is on, so there is no way to definitely check out which teams are the best and the worst.  Here are the full leaderboards, bearing in mind that my method is extremely crude.

Addendum:

I discovered a small error in my query that screwed everything up for lefties, so you'll see that the leaderboards and the spreadsheet have been updated with the correct numbers.  In case you missed it, I had Ankiel only swinging at 2 bad balls all year.  Just for fun, here is Ankiel's swing plot this year:

Ankiel_swing_medium

Yeah....

He should really get someone to help him with those low pitches.

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Rick Ankiel 131 1.53%

I’m pretty sure I saw Ank swing at more than two bad balls last year.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 8, 2009 7:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aah, I see where I messed up

I put an AND instead of an OR in my query. I’ll fix the tables and the spreasheet now.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 8, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Vladdy's chart...

He swung at a quarter of BBs. I bet he hit a bunch of them.

This is pretty cool, but I do have another question. There doesn’t appear to be 256 dots outside the red box, which the number of pitches he saw in the BB zone.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha...

there are about 32 dots, so that equals around 14%.

It’d be interesting to know if guys that tend to swing at BBs really do see a lot more of them due to their reputations.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PZR is very interesting.

I would like to see much more on that in the future, possibly with information/statistics from the last three seasons (which are at the fore-front of our minds compared to the 6 seasons shown.)

Great work BtBS and VeP!

by stlfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, MGL only released 01-06 PZR data

I’m working on a quasi-PZR using gameday, but I’m having a lot of problems.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

holy cow VEP

you teach us stats, you make us graphs, and you find us jobs!

I don’t know how anyone can top that.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

well it is the Pirates

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as they use dollars and not rubles,

who cares? You can still keep your Pujols jersey in the closet.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

bar raised for the other main posters

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the recession.

I guess the thought of a good paying job for somebody, made me lose the “pride factor”. I have lost a lot of pride this year.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd work for the pirates in a heart beat

working in mlb, regardless of which team it’s for is pretty much the dream job

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 8, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plus

the pirates are going to be a pretty exciting team within a few years

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 8, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If they don't burn the house down again.

They are prone to doing that every few years.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how is the weather in 1993?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

not surprising on rick-dick

if he could figure out where the strike zone is, he could be pretty productive

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 8, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This PZR stuff warrants further investigation on my part, as it seems to be very interesting

will have to wait til after church

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is there a pitching equivalent?

It would be interesting to know which pitchers induced batters to offer at wretched pitches. Might also be a good fantasy exercise to speculate how many pitches Ankiel would have chased batting against himself.

Good show on bringing this stat to our attention. . . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 8, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it's too bad

that the 09 cards will be remembered — outside Cardinal Nation — for that nutshot.

there was so much more glorious stache action before holliday joined up.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Adrian Gonzalez would shave and just leave the stache

he’d fit right in. Too bad he doesn’t fit in LF or at 3B.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i hear the other gonzalez is free

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Free ballplayers.

Wouldn’t that be nice.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

talk to fredbird. he has a van.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Giant.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what *is* his name anyway?

edgar?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

remember when Juan Gonzalez got a spring training invite

that was fun

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 8, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lasted, what?

1 game?
lol magical

Matthew, Mark, Lugo, and John.

by BVHeck on Nov 8, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

being the 2nd best first baseman in baseball, I assume the Padres aren’t just going to give him away.

When he starts playing in Fenway he’ll be AWESOME.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks vep

I personally wouldn’t where to begin to write the code to come up with this. So my hat is off to all you people that really know how to do it. And can think to come up with that idea in the first place.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is

not a full post? Sheesh.

by 643 on Nov 8, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well it's like 3.5 mini posts

does that add up to one? like homeruns?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the dinger decimal system

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

the brewers are awesome at trying to be us
It will be an upset if Mulder doesn’t sign with the Brewers.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

they are kind of like a bizzaro national league central

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i saw that

they just take the cardinal castaways and try to build them around yovani gallardo

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 8, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it is kind of sucky that they're leeching off Duncan

more or less.
Dunc does the work of five pitching coaches….?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i feel like MooCow needs to make a ruling on this metaphor

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll probably decide it was a very bovine thing to say.

Sorry. Just been a bad pun kinda day.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, the brewers are doing it wrong then

cuz Looper and Suppan aint free!

Matthew, Mark, Lugo, and John.

by BVHeck on Nov 8, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, their not getting the pitchers free but

they are getting some of the results from Duncan’s coaching for free… although once they leave Dunc, the magic doesn’t last long. You’d think they’d learn that by now.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 8, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Similar to the old theory of

if the Braves or A’s don’t want a pitcher anymore neither do you… doesn’t seem that baseball has caught on yet.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

like wainwright or that one guy.

Who went to the diamondbacks?

by Evilfrog on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was an old theory

Focused more on when the Big Three left Oakland then proceeded to fall apart. Or when the Braves parted with one Jason Marquis among others.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We Don't Just Give it Out to Anyone Ya Know...

Well, ok maybe we do. We are what we are.
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whore.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whores don't give it away.

Sluts do tho.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 9, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sad thing is

he’ll look like Cy Young when he faces us. Former Cardinal LH pitching for Brewers= Cards loss. It’s like a double wammy.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 8, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he gets his career back on track

I remember being excited when he got win #100 and thinking ‘what might be…’

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 8, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how many             do we really need in one lifetime, though

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that 10 inning complete game against clemens makes me cry upon reflection...

such high hopes

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here's VEB determining the value of McGwire around the ASG

Or at least, in part.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

more zombies

here

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice post, VEP!

I really like the ankiel graph.

Do you have thoughts about what specifically brendan needs to improve?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 8, 2009 3:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Brendan Ryan: Walking Machine

would be awesome. I’d be overjoyed with a great glove, good OBP from SS even if it meant zero dingers.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if he and Skip could turn into each other, I'd be pretty pleased.

Skip’s compulsions at the plate are less frenetic

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he stops swinging,

he may stop altogether. Then they start throwing him strikes again, and he doesn’t swing.
Where do we go from there?

Mac:“Boog, I want you to stop swinging at bad pitches.”
Boog:“What’s a bad pitch?”
Mac:“Any pitch that isn’t over the plate. Unless it’s over the plate but chin high or ankle low.”
Boog:“How can I tell the difference?”

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

listed day to day

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

team player

blogging through the pain

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a brave lad,

that one is.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

keyboard covered in blood

fingers down to stumps. an inspiration, should be a movie.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is that what the kids call it these days?

“hey mom, I’m going down to the basement to blog for a bit- make sure you knock, k?”

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manuel Labor

would be a good name for a pornstar.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 8, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can he fix my cable?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i had to read this a couple times.

Well done, flim.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 8, 2009 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Oh you ruined it for me.

I thought he wanted someone to massage his hands.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i still don't get it.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are apparently more innocent than me.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3 days late I get it now.

I think I’m just more stupid than you.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I assume JD Drew is dead last on this list because he's too lazy to try hard enough to swing at bad balls.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 8, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who woulda thought that a MLB play could be chronic fatigue syndrome embracer?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rocco didn't get the memo, even if his mitochondria did

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mlbtraderumors says giants may not sign

Wagner mateo either.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 8, 2009 3:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

oh good. it's not just us

that’s too bad for the kid

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never realized...

that Lasik was more expensive than $3.1 million dollars.

by Jumsy on Nov 8, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"degenerative" is usually not covered by Lasik

for all we know, it’s a neurological problem. which yeah, I’m sure costs less than $3.1 million dollars…. but then, I’m sure you wouldn’t pay that for your eyesight.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ahaha

Yadi hyperbole. the best kind.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

oh shit, I forgot I was going to look for all the sitcoms of 2009

I may have to scan through again. argh.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meanwhile, mojo strikes again

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/7/17/953270/game-92-overlow-thread#18334615

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, this is neat pre-game detail

from yer dog first via punchinjudy

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do too

and it’s still fantastic…

"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.

by TNTinCO on Nov 8, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

next time, don't ascend your 2B to heaven

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd again mojo

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if you happened to like this sort of thing

Yadi Pickoffs*

*shameless self promotion

Matthew, Mark, Lugo, and John.

by BVHeck on Nov 8, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is more beautiful metaphor

for a messed up situation

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a beautiful shade of green.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 8, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh wow

here’s something I didn’t expect to call

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone find any players T's on clearance yet?

I got a Smoltz for my Bday last month for full price. I’d love to get another one on clearance (XL) as well as select other players.

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 8, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

select other players

include thurston or thompson – do those even exist?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There were Thurston ones in the Team Store at Busch this summer

I was pissed because: no Boog, but Thurston?!?!?!?! B.S.

Or maybe I am recalling incorrectly. A lot of beer was involved.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

boog was probably sold out.

yeah, that’s it.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 10, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he bought them all?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if he made himself sign them all

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you just want him to be wearing his glasses

hunched over in a room full of jerseys

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I do.

preferably having a conversation with himself

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is like a one-man sweatshop

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Nutshot Heard Round the World
  1. on 10 most memorable postseason moments 2009.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

7

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so it's not serious

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wtf

typed “#7”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you just got SBN'd

the # at the beginning of a line
turns into a numbered list

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

i was truly puzzled, if not nonplussed

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OT

If you have motion sickness, do not go see Paranormal Activity. If you don’t, it was a solid startle/scare you type movie. Great at building suspense, needed a bit more of a punch at the end.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Nov 8, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Made for the wallet busting price of $16,000

And will probably be the all-time most profitable movie by percentage of profit.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted to enjoy Cloverfield

but had to hide out in the ladies’ room midway through the film to make sure I wasn’t going to puke. I should have had some Dramamine or something

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Random thought...

If we lose out on Holliday and Bay would it be a bad idea to sign Glaus and try Freese out in LF and spot starts at 3B?

Holliday.
Uh huh, oh yeah.
Holliday.
He will be so nice.

by Red Blazer on Nov 8, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think Freese is a waste in LFer

He is valuable at 3B because of his defense. I doubt it will so quickly be as valuable in LF. Seems like throwing away like Half a Win to me. Go cheap at the 3B. Spread remaining money between LF, 4th OFer and Starting Pitching. Craig can be 5th OFer and backup to 3B.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 8, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather have more effective guys off the bench than fewer

our bench sucked. our starters are injury-prone. it follows that strengthening the bench + giving these guys service time might be good. right?

our starting pitchers were our bench, for some stretches.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to make our MIF bench shorter

Ryan, Skip, Lugo and that is it. 5 OFer’s between Ludwick, Rasmus, LFer, 4th OFer, and Craig. I would like the 4th OFer to be a lefty smasher above all and hopefully plus defender. Craig can play 3B, LF, or 1B. I don’t think this team really needs a lefty off the bench. We hit righties strong. We need more guys to crush lefties.

With possibly another MIFer or 13th pitcher.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 8, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Any interest in...

Reed Johnson? He hits lefties pretty well (from what I remember) and can play some solid defense. I think he would be okay off the bench.

by Jumsy on Nov 8, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

can play CF too

I think $3m wouldn’t be bad, actually. Still, not sure we need him.

Maybe Matt Murton is an option.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if that would work

I don’t know if I could handle two Red Lines on one team…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 9, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ross gload?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea

i was taken in by his PH line last season, .318/.418/.455….everything else about his is average at best

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I say

trade Lugo for the LH bat for the bench and replace Lugo with T. Greene.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like spending money on bench guys

unless it’s not very much money. IMO 4th OFs should come internally and cost pretty much the league minimum (i.e. Craig, Mather etc.)

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, not really.

doesn’t hit for power, doesn’t hit for average, not an on-base machine, decent but not spectacular fielding, old-ish. If you’re gonna stick him at 3B most of the time, don’t really see any significant advantage he would give us over Freese

by mattyp on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he was once upon a time

a truly elite defender. Doesn’t look like that’s the case, anymore, though; the last two seasons he’s been merely very good (by UZR @ fangraphs).

Agree that freese or craig either one will likley outhit him next year, esp outside of Philadelphia.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 9, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Gonzalez

we should make a play for him…that is all

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If he's <$5m I could see it

otherwise I’d rather just take a risk on Wagner, and maybe sign someone like Calero as a backup plan/set-up guy.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sosa

went for a simple skin “rejuvenation”, was surprised at how white he came out, according to his friend. no word on the eyes – probably just shipping error, received the wrong contacts.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

MLB trade rumors

Has it’s top 50 free agents projections. The only FA in the top 50 they have us signing is Joel because “…it would be a huge loss if we didn’t”

The idea of that makes me so sick I am unable to post a link. If you don’t have a bookmark for MLB trade rumors by now what’s the point?

by Harknights on Nov 9, 2009 1:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

some of those destinations/suitors

seemed to come from left field. cameron Returning to SD? smoltz to detroit just because twenty years ago he was in their minors? I guess Dero to philly is plausible, but is he starting 3B or super-sub?

the Mets should probably go after joel (and marquis).

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 9, 2009 4:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see us signing pineiro

and tbh I wouldn’t mind if we do, so long as it’s cheap (3 years or less, and <!0m/yr). Smoltz has to be the #1 target, though, surely.

Cameron to SD is just bizarre. Why the hell would he want to play there at this stage in his career, and why would a clearly uncompetitive team want to spend money on a 36-yr-old?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Their projections last year

were horrible. I consider MLB trade rumors “projections” on FA destinations as just guesses and nothing more.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 9, 2009 7:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Never been dumped/'Cause I'm the most mackin'-est

Never been walked/ ‘Cause I’m the most hackin’-est

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 7:07 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

you go girl

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a Beastie Boys reference; I can't take credit

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

glad i didn't know it

i give you credit – take it.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Listen to Paul's Boutique about a million times

that helps

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's a rec

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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