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FILE -- This is a 2009 file photo showing  St. Louis Cardinals baseball player Yadier Molina. A New York sports marketing firm has sued St. Louis Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina, saying he snubbed their agreement to make appearances and sign autographs. Steiner Sports Marketing's lawsuit, filed Friday, Oct. 13, 2009,  in New York, says the sports memorabilia company had a contract with Molina dating to October 2006. Molina explained that he simply got tired after walking 3 blocks from 57th Street and had to stop and have a rest. Al Hrabosky stood across the street and criticized him for lack of hustle. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson, File)

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FILE -- This is a 2009 file photo showing St. Louis Cardinals baseball player Yadier Molina. A New York sports marketing firm has sued St. Louis Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina, saying he snubbed their agreement to make appearances and sign autographs. Steiner Sports Marketing's lawsuit, filed Friday, Oct. 13, 2009, in New York, says the sports memorabilia company had a contract with Molina dating to October 2006. Molina explained that he simply got tired after walking 3 blocks from 57th Street and had to stop and have a rest. Al Hrabosky stood across the street and criticized him for lack of hustle. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson, File)

 

 

It only believes

In a pile of dead leaves

And a moon that's the color of bone

T.S. Eliot thought April was the cruelest month, but that was because he left St. Louis and moved to London where April was one of eleven months when it mostly just rains. Also, whatever time he might have spent watching the Perfectos or the Browns in his youth he had clearly forgotten, because April is the month when baseball starts up again. In England, you just get to wait for cricket season, and do they even have spring training for cricket? I think they have to wait until the weather clears in July to get the one game of cricket in before the pre-autumn drizzle, because that one game takes three weeks to play.

April is a favorite month of mine, when things turn green and baseball reappears.

November is one of my least favorite months, right up there with February; November has slightly better weather and Thanksgiving, but February is pitchers and catchers reporting time. September and October are beautiful months, also some of the best months in the calendar. Falling leaves, cool and temperate weather that is such a relief from the heat and humidity of July and August. But by the time kids finish throwing up the remainder of their Halloween candy, the world turns to crap. Worst of all, no more baseball. Four solid months of no baseball. Mostly.

 

Star-divide

That's why I've sought assistance from the king of all things cool, Tom Waits, to introduce the month. 

November has tied me to an old dead tree

Get word to April to rescue me

November is cold rain running down your back, because there's that little spot of bare skin on your neck between your collar and your hat. November is a puddle of slush lurking at the edge of the curb, waiting to flood the shoe of the pedestrian stepping carelessly from the sidewalk. November is freezing rain. November is driving to work in the dark and driving home in the dark and wondering if the sun actually rose and set in the interim, or if the sun was just too depressed today and stayed in bed like you wish you had. Unless of course you live in one of those unnatural places where "winter" is the season when the temperature doesn't get above 75 degrees at midday. You are spoiling a good gloom with your suntans and your cheery smiles. 

So if you want to love me

Darlin don't refrain 

Or I'll just end up walkin, in the cold Nov . . .

All right, who let Axl Rose in my post? That is the wrong November song. Axl, don't you have a fifteen-year album project to work on? Better get that started and leave my thread alone.

For baseball fans, November is a particularly painful moment at which the trade and free agent markets are just too open, too uncertain. Too much can happen. Write all the paeans to Carl Crawford you like, you may find out tomorrow that the Rays picked up his option and the Cards never had a chance. December - yeah, December, the market has started to put itself together. GM meetings and the Rule V draft early in the month. A few names start signing. January, the market starts to fall in line and lots of signings take place. In November -- you know nothing. November is the awful uncertainty about everything except FOUR MORE MONTHS without baseball.

No prayers for November to linger longer

You know what you get in November? Jason LaRue. Jason LaRue is going to be offered a contract in November. Or not - which means that in 2010 we get to watch Matt Pagnozzi ground out weakly every 5 to 7 days while not looking like he has come to fix some young woman's 1970's-era cable box. The only thing worse than signing Jason LaRue in November is NOT signing Jason LaRue in November.

The month began with a drama-free World Series, which ended in a Yankees victory.

This off-season doesn't really even look like much fun. In a couple weeks we're going to find out if Matt Holliday truly appreciates fruit-filled pastry or was just stringing us along (signs point to "stringing us along"). If he doesn't sign then we probably look forward to a quiet offseason of signing a fixer-upper of a starting pitcher and either signing Mike Cameron (SIGN MIKE CAMERON), some aging half-bat who can't field, or some cheap non-entity to play LF. We really have nothing in the way of major trade chips right now, so we can't look into any exciting trades. 

I am going to more throw out some names and such that may be or may not be worth keeping eyes on.

The Nats (team of 1,000 outfielders) declined the option on Austin Kearns. Kearns had a very rough year turning in a .298 wOBA and a slash line of .195/.336/.305. Actually, two rough years - since he had a weak 2008 too. Weird, weird line both years, though. He managed a fine 15.5% walk rate (and that .336 OBP would look nice on this team if the rest of the line wouldn't). Behind the BB rate are even more impressive discipline levels - he swung at only 18% of pitches out of the zone UP from 15% last season. His BABIP over the last couple years: .258 and .251, yet his LD% was a solid 18.7% and 21.1%. He injured his thumb in the middle of the season on a HBP, which may also explain some of his funk. You can't blame the nats for not wanting to pay $10M for that.

Is it possible to have two solid season of just wicked batted ball luck?  I don't see why not - he had about a seasons worth of PA's over the two seasons. He managed a career 9.8 UZR/150 in RF, so he's no slouch in the field. He comes with his own history of character issues, too. I imagine my level of interest would depend on cost. I don't think I'd say I'm stumping for him, but if we could pick him up for a reclamation project piece, he's got good tools to build upon. You wouldn't have to see much of a BABIP rebound to get that OBP into a very nice place. In the race of replacement value OF, I'd say he clearly has a better ceiling than, say, a Rick Ankiel with poor plate discipline but more power. I wouldn't want him as our sole option in LF, but if we had him and Allen Craig and maybe another decent LF option -- something is going to stick to the wall.

This JJ Hardy story continues to intrigue me in a "what were they thinking?" sense. fourstick said they traded JJ Hardy -- one of the best defensive SS in the business -- for basically Jon Jay. I agree with that comp. Elsewhere I saw commenters wondering why JJ hadn't ended up in Boston, rich in starting pitching and needy in the SS position. MLB Trade Rumors has an answer of sorts - that the Brewers demanded either Clay Buchholz or Daniel Bard and wouldn't budge. The notion that you would stick to a demand for two of the top prospects around and then settle with another team for a replacement value player is completely bizarre. It's like going to Tony's with a $20 bill, demanding the duck, and when they refuse to sell you a $40 duck entree for $20, spending the whole thing on a day old loaf of bread.

Detroit seems to be putting Placido Polanco on the free agent market. I could be more excited if he weren't Type A.

Matt Leach is on the Cameron bandwagon. Elsewhere talk of Dye. Oh please no.

Bah. This is what November gives you. Wisps and teases and ultimately heartbreak.

 

November seems odd

You're my firing squad

November*

 

* FYI, I wrote most of this earlier this week. Now I see online it's going to be 72 degrees in St. Louis tomorrow. Don't worry. It's just November playing a trick on you, softening you up. Enjoy it, you bastards.

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Off-Season...
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

-Rogers Hornsby

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by vexedtechie on Nov 7, 2009 3:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also...in my MLB09:The Show campaign...

…Austin Kearns was picked up by the Cardinals in the 09-10 offseason and has so far put together 3 monster years…

I can only hope it’s a good omen.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Nov 7, 2009 3:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You know what you get in November? Jason LaRue. Jason LaRue is going to be offered a contract in November. Or not – which means that in 2010 we get to watch Matt Pagnozzi ground out weakly every 5 to 7 days while not looking like he has come to fix some young woman’s 1970’s-era cable box.

Beautiful.

by DanUpBaby on Nov 7, 2009 4:03 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

you know dan, it really is

…beautiful

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 7, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do we need Jason LaRue

When we can get his performance with the bat with Austin Kearns. LaRue slugs better but Kearns gets on base more. But pretty much the same OPS.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 7, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because BFF.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is the back-up catcher then?

Or have you already penciled in Pags Lite for that spot?

by cardsgirl95 on Nov 7, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Motte...

duh

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there's actually more than one

shhh.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

isn't matt treanor

married to the beach volleyballer? those connections gotta be worth something as far as the clubhouse chemistry goes…man stew afterhours = coed, beach blankets…boog would be giddy(er).

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

boog only seems to be excited by baseball

and maybe his uniform

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well

one other bachelor comes readily to mind, but i don’t want to ruffle any feathers – keep the beach blanket bimbos away!

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Colby's taken actually.

He just doesn’t know it yet. Kidding.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i thought Colby met with rasmusgirl?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

aw, shit, not equating rasmus girl with that

just that he doesn’t seem averse to the attention

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

where is rasmusgirl?

where is colby?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you know, i've only seen her once since i heard that mentioned

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

holy shit, colby, she's underaged

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But Colby's like 17, right?

So it’s okay.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Nov 8, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

only his facial hair

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we please consider Steven Hill

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

November spawned a monster

in the shape of Tom and his wittiness. I think his posts are going to get us through the offseason before we can discuss on-field activity again.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 7, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm one day away from a good "everyday is like sunday" reference

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Never on Sunday

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post tom s

There’s more to baseball than stats and roster moves. People tend to make posts that consist of wild predictions or baseless speculations for 2010, but I like this better.

I sense that most people don’t really value finality, but with a season as long as baseball’s, it’s important. I’m sure there’s still some end of year summaries in the works somewhere, but now’s a good a time to shut the door on 09.

And anytime you can squeeze Tom Waits and T.S. Eliot in you’re doing something right.

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 7, 2009 4:04 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

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by gocards62 on Nov 7, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you would think alchohal and english would get along

they’re like two friends from different groups, and in your mind they’re a fit match. they’re social, creative, and have a lot of history to them. then you introduce them to each other expecting greatness, and instead they awkwardly dance around each other, stepping on the others toes, trying not to look uncomfortable while everyone else looks on in an awkward silence

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 7, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Waits= something right ???

That you tube clip stole seconds of my life i will never get back.

by El Hombre 05 on Nov 8, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the internet - you're doin it wrong

The purpose of the internet is to steal seconds, minutes, hours of life you’ll never get back.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 8, 2009 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Cheap shot on the cricket, man!

But other than that – great post. As y’all know, I’m on the Cameron bandwagon bigtime and have been beating that particular drum for quite a while.

It’s a strange off-season so far, slightly contradicting your idea that nothing much happens until December – by my count, there’s already been 6 trades or FA signings of meaningful players (i.e. ones that the Cards may in some way have been interested in), so perhaps teams are striking whilst the iron’s hot (or, at least, haven’t learnt from last year’s pre-economy-collapse disasters, Kyle Lohse et al).

I too am perplexed about Hardy – to me, it seemed a Hardy + Fielder blockbuster to the RedSox might make a lot of sense for both teams – the Brewers needed to sell on both whilst they still had significant value, the RedSox need a DH to replace Papi and a shortstop pretty clearly. With their cash, I don’t see how selling a pitching prospect or two would hurt them THAT much. If I’d been them, I’d have probably been happy to go maybe Buchholz plus a couple of other prospects (maybe Masterson if they hadn’t already shipped him) in a deal that would make sense for both parties. After all, the Crew have tailor-made replacements in Escobar and Gamel to step into their shoes, and they desperately need pitching.

I still like Kearns, but I feel he makes less sense now than he did in the middle of the season. He’s basically a lefty-masher with a very good OF glove, so he’s only useful if you can pick him up cheap (<$5m) and platoon him with, say, Rick Ankiel or Chris Duncan, neither of whom seem likely to be here next year. I’d pass, but I think he’s a good bounceback candidate.

Which leave us, behind the “no Holliday” door, Johnny Damon and Mike Cameron. Damon’s type-A status concerns me a bit, although that might depress his $ value somewhat. Also, he’s been a bit injury-prone in recent years. I love his bat in the 2 hole but I tend to feel that Cameron is almost as good with the stick, far, far better with the glove, potentially about the same price in $ and he isn’t a type A. He seems to me to be the clear choice.

To be honest, I’d love Holliday to come back, but if it costs similar (or even more) than the 6/96m rumours that Joe Strauss invented earlier in the week (and I suspect that it will – I can’t see Holliday wanting less than $100m, and I can see the Yankees taking an interest; the contract they readily dished out to Teixeira, who is basically the same player but 1B instead of LF, worries me), I wonder if we’re not better off spending that moolah on employing Smoltz, Cameron & a reliever in the short term, and dedicating the long-term dollars to the respective bank accounts of Albert Pujols, Colby Rasmus and perhaps Ryan Ludwick.

As long as John Smoltz is here next year, I’m happy. Roll on spring.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 6:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree

matty at more than 6 and 96, particularly the 6 is not going to make me happy (a state mo really cares bout!)

we have a few holes in our batting order that can’t be filled by one guy, even holiday

if i were mo, i’d be looking to find ways to have a stronger 1-8 lineup than dumping mucho dollars on one guy. i’d be happy looking at
skippy
figgins or hudson
collby
albert
ludwick
freese/craig/kearns
yadi
boog

ps, never happen, i kinow

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 7, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe we're just throwing six aroud like it's nothing.

Come on folks six…is a serious number.

(Insert Your Own Joke)

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 7, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

he'd be very hard to refuse at $1m.

And that was the number I came up with. That below-the-mendoza line AVG is going to stop a lot of teams.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

he doesnt seem to me

To even be worth a spot on the 25 man roster. Ankiel is a better hitter than Kearns.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 7, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

minor league deal seems smartest

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 7, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

depends what you mean by better. kearns' wOBA was better than ank's last year b/c he drew a lot of walks.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if you only ever play him vs LHP

and his ridiculously unlucky BABIP rebounds a bit, he’ll be a good platoon piece somewhere. If you could get him and someone who mashes righties for about 5 or 6m combined (which is very likely) you could build a pretty useful (i.e. above average) corner outfield frankenstein’s monster…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hung over, 2 hours of sleep

in yesterdays clothes, at work, watching a shitty movie where the cubs win the ws, today is going to be EPIC.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 7, 2009 8:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

this comment made me laugh, then cry, then laugh again

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 7, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Cried and Laughed...

…until milk came out of my nose…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 7, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully

that’s just a movie and not reality…

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 7, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Grace goes yard off of Bert Blylevin

With a web gem catch by Belushi (the not funny one). And for the first time since 1908 the cubs won the world series! That movie was made 19 years ago, ftw.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 7, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

now watching Bob Ross paint happy little trees

and he totally said “make love to it….caress it”.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 7, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

borrrreeed at work

oldie but goodie

1986 World Series re-enacted on RBI baseball.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hideki Matsui anyone?
Which leave us, behind the "no Holliday" door, Johnny Damon and Mike Cameron. Damon’s type-A status concerns me a bit, although that might depress his $ value somewhat. Also, he’s been a bit injury-prone in recent years. I love his bat in the 2 hole but I tend to feel that Cameron is almost as good with the stick, far, far better with the glove, potentially about the same price in $ and he isn’t a type A. He seems to me to be the clear choice.

FM— Isn’t Godzilla a better option than these two?

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by gocards62 on Nov 7, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If he could play the field

he would have done so in Philadelphia.

by StanTheManFan on Nov 7, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I personally would like to see my LF in a Jazzy...

but that’s just me.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

only type A that matter

are those that are offered arb.

seems most likely the yanks will either sign or cut him. don’t see them getting hung up with an offer of arb to damon. they will need a clear deck if they go after matty

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 7, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So in context

Does Holliday “matter”?

To me, offering him arb seems like a very basic intelligence test, and Mo has generally been passing intelligence tests lately.

by StanTheManFan on Nov 7, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he'd better

and rosy if he doesn’t come to terms
in fact with the injury it would be smart for rosy to accept arb if he gets it
can always extend during the year if he is healthy and performing

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 7, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matsui can't play the field...

he’s worse than Dunn now, and will move like he’s stuck in concrete by the end of his three year contract.

Not sure why Damon gets such a bum rap. He’s good, decent fielder, noodle arm yes, but gets on base. And he won’t cost a draft pick because he won’t be offered arbitration. If he is offered arb, he’ll just accept and go back to the Yanks.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 7, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep I agree

he’s not a bad option. I worry about his power output outside of Yankee Matchbox but he’s still a reasonable option for <10m and 1 year, IMO. Still, for me he’s a long way behind Cameron (who is a similar hitter and a much better glove).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he had a very bad year in LF

And his D – and his knees – seem to be getting worse. He doesn’t strike me as a player that will age well. He’s a good on-base type which is appealing. I just am concerned about paying him for his age 36, age 37 seasons. I could be tempted by a one-year if he’s not offered arb.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 5:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Are you just saying we should get Matsui

b/c of his postseason performance? He’s on the older side, and he has knee issues – which is not good for a fielder. I just can’t see the team trying to go after Matsui.

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 7, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Godzilla isn't a better option than Cameron.

I’m kinda ambivalent about Damon. For me, Matsui is a slightly weaker version of Abreu – you’d love the bat but I don’t see how he can play the field for an NL team.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

matsui

i don’t think he can play in NL physically, like thome. if yanks don’t keep him i personally would love to see him in seattle with ichiro and would probably be a good move for them in many ways.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

also, from what I recall, Seattle are still short of a decent DH (as long as they don’t re-sign Griffey, who’s pretty much finished now anyway).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a good thing I emailed mattybobo

you’re gonna be my witness, man.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heck yes

(Commenting on old posts FTW)

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Kearns could be the next

Ludwick.

So I support a Ludwick approach. Anything more than a minor league invite and I pass.

by Harknights on Nov 7, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i did mention pitchers and catchers reporting

I said baseball starts up again in the TS Eliot part b/c I don’t even think they had spring training in 1900.they sure didn’t have tvs.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I live in one of those places where winter doesn't come until January.

Last year when my mom picked me up for Christmas Break she was shocked to get out of the car and realize that it was 70 degrees. Even more shocked when I told her it had been for a week.
Good post though.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 7, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Way to rub it in...

No one likes a show off.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But remember I go home for most of December.

So it’s cold there. And Thanksgiving.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 7, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but still

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

winter, like children, is very charming in small doses.

it’s the living with it everyday that is the challenge.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well I like children too so maybe that's why.

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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 7, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's those days where you wake up and it's still completely dark

and despite your best efforts at layering you’re still cold.
and when you first step outside the snow is so deep you get it in your boots.
and everybody’s cars, churning in the cold, are outputting clouds of exhaust that stain the snow and your lungs.
and you cough and the cold air just leaves you completely parched.
and you wonder if ears actually can shatter.
and by the time you get home it’s dark again as you trudge through more snow.

but then you get a big mug of hot cocoa, a fire going, and wrap yourself in a huge blanket and realize it could be worse.

but despite that cozy ending…i still fucking hate winter

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 7, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See during winter I hate it.

But when I went without a real winter last year, I missed it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 7, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

People have used that argument

to try and convince me that finding a job where it’s warm (like California) is a bad idea and I wouldn’t like it. I respond to them that’s the worst argument they could possibly make in that situation.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that's pretty much everywhere though...

I was told Obama was going to make it rain for us civil engineers… I feel so lied to.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not trying to convince anybody.

Some people just don’t like the cold. I’m just saying how I feel.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You make a valid point

however misguided it may be…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not misguided if it's my experience.

I also like dressing for the cold. Which is a huge factor for me.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I keed I keed

However, I don’t see how dressing up like Ralphie’s little brother can be construed as a positive.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love scarves, because I'm white.

And sweaters and skinny jeans tucked into Ugg boots. And cute coats. All of the cute clothes are winter clothes.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sweaters

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

stupid sbnation

only bill cosby looks good in sweaters

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well only Bill Cosby can pull off that sweater.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See cause kids today don't understand about the Jazz music

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 8, 2009 4:50 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

A COSBY SWEATER!!!

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2009 4:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

O RLY?

check this shit out

just kidding.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what I look like in a sweater.

Only I’m usually wearing more clothes because it’s cold outside.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if you don't ski

you should.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate skiing.

I had a very bad experience. But I love the mountains.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah yes skiing is thrilling

but remember it’s pizza then frenchfries

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone french fried

when they should have pizzaed?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will never ever ever

under any circumstances understand Ugg boots. Then again there’s a lot of mainstream stuff I just shake my head at. So be that what it will.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand them either.

They’re ugly as hell but they are SO comfortable. Now crocs, I don’t get.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok now I'm confused...

you made it sound like you wore them, but then go on to say they’re ugly as hell… wait this is one of those illogical women’s fashion things isn’t it… damnit I shouldn’t have to be on the lookout for that at this time of nite.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They are ugly.

But I still wear them. Because they’re comfortable and because I am sometimes a conformist. Sometimes I look at them on my feet and I am struck by their ugliness and I wonder what all of us crazy girls are thinking.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I refuse to take that bait

I will swim by until I find another juicy worm magically dangling in the water.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what you mean.

But to add to my sentiment Uggs on boys= unacceptable.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't even know it was an option for guys to wear Uggs

I’m pretty sure if any of my friends did they would be shamed for the rest of their natural life for such a stunt.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if all your friends did they would be relegated to be a cubs fan

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I need to go do shots

to burn that image out of my mind…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he lost a bet

had to be…right?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's the shorts that just make this picture

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 3:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here's another one

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are not real Uggs.

So he is also a poser.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well doesn't that just prove I'm a male

and like all men we shouldn’t know what real Uggs look like or care for that matter

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who cares what they're called

wtf, is that from a catalogue?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait I was wrong.

It is possible those are the Ugg boots designed specifically for men, which they managed to make even uglier. I wasn’t aware they had men’s Ugg boots, but it makes our Yankees fan friend above look even worse as he is clearly wearing female Uggs.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm so confused

having a rip van winkle moment – how the world has changed.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is the complete opposite of women and footwear...

Every girl I know buys footwear for the looks then complains about how they hurt their feet later. Why is it that all comfortable shoes for women are apparently ugly? I think I could be a rich man by creating a comfortable shoe that actually looks good, and then charge hundreds of $ for them.

by Jumsy on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wear uncomfortable shoes too.

All the time. Sometimes girls like to wear comfortable shoes though, as much as that may surprise you. And good luck making a comfortable heel. Salvatore Ferragamo from what I’ve heard makes the most comfortable ones.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I only wear comfy shoes.

Some are more attractive than others, but these “rules” rarely apply to me anyway.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 8, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My rule is that if it's ugly, it better be comfortable.

Otherwise it won’t go on my feet.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Taryn Rose beat you to it.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i really like them.

my number one “errrr, wtf?” women’s fashion was that pointy shoes thing that was all the rage about 2 years ago. I always thought that looked f’ing ridiculous.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Polanco

He is a type A, but it is very unlikely that he will be offered arbitration. He would be an interesting addition, but probably not what the Cards need.

Cards need OBP and power from a 3rd baseman and LF.
The also need a 4th starter
and they don’t seem to realize it, but they badly need a righty reliever who can be the backup closer if Franklin loses it again.

I am not sold on Freese, but he is probably as good of an option as most of the 3rd sackers out there.

I want a high on-base guy for in front of Albert and a power guy for behind him. Abreu was my favorite but he is off the market.
Dunn-he is an interesting option for in front of Pujols, but I am not sure the Cards have what the Nats would want in return. Also, his defense is awful.
I would not mind Glaus returning on a low-base, incentive laden contract.

I wanted Hermida and it ticks me off that Evil Empire II was able to get him for almost nothing.

How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Nov 7, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that the Cards will go after Polanco

They’ve already got a pretty much solid 2B in Skip. They don’t really need to address that issue anymore. They should focus primarily on left field first, then starting pitching and 3rd base.

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"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 7, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Polanco use to play 3rd very well, so I don't think his position is an issue

His bat probably is. He is a high avg, relatively low obp guy. The Cards don’t need that. Besides he is a thirty-something judy hitter; guys like that don’t age well.

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by Zubin on Nov 7, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Cardinals could make almost no good moves this off season

Their is barely any decent LFers outside of Holliday. It is quite pathetic actually and worrying. 2011 is no better. We currently don’t have anyone in the minor league system outside of Craig that I feel has a chance of being a starting OFer in the near future. I am actually fairly concerned who our starting LFer will be in 2010.

3B is a completely different kind of problem. Our best prospect currently is Freese. So to sign a 3rd baseman to replace him kind of nullifies him. I think he will provide a solid 3B performance this year. He is a plus defender and a good hitter. I just don’t see him being better than average though. That is the problem. Our whole team is full of averages.

The good thing though is the 2010 team should be better on defense. Pretty much plus D everywhere besides Skip. Skip has potential also to be average.

The free agent market is just so pathetic this year. I think we need to roll the dice on a high upside pitcher if we don’t make a strong acquisition for a bat.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 7, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

right on

re obp guys

also, i think november is exciting because anything is possible. as players disappear, it becomes less intriguing. november is a real gut check for GMs

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 7, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, that's my cue

intriiiiiiguinnnggg

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd pay him a premium

to play LF. more concerned with smoltzie wanting to start instead of close.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think the one issue with the "smoltz for closer" talk

is that I’m pretty sure he’s not going to be able to pitch on back-to-back days at the age of 43. So we’re probably not getting the best use out of him by using him from the pen (not that I’d be too aversed to giving the ball to motte or franklin or someone on the days he can’t pitch). Also, we’ll need to pick up another starter if Smoltz goes to the pen, and even if we sign Cameron instead of Holliday, I don’t think we’ll have much more than $5m to do it.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

One year and one year only for anyone who is not Holliday.

I’m very interested in Carl Crawford and I doubt the Rays will pony up to keep him after 2010. Could be a very good trade candidate if you don’t have money tied up in an outfielder like Cameron for 2011.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Conor Jackson

Marlon Byrd
Johnny Damon
Mike Cameron
Shelly Duncan
Jack Cust
Jeremy Hermida (if the Sox want to flip him)

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 7, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And of course...

Milton

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 7, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that a

Kearns/Cust or Cameron/Cust platoon in LF could be interesting.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Cust too, but

I really think he’s best suited to DHing. I haven’t looked up any numbers to back it up, but as I recall his “fielding” is pretty brutal.

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by andi_k on Nov 9, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

having everybody be average would not be

A problem. If we had every starting position player turn in a 2 WAR performance, and had albert turn in a 7 WAR performance, and had a representative season from all five starters, we would win the division in a walk. That would be 21 WAR from our position players, about 3+ wins better than we did in 2009.only the brewers did better in 2009, and they managed a net of 3 WAR from their pitching.

Our big deficits were a lack of production from 2B and 3B and a whole stack of negative performances. Avoiding putting valueless players like khalil and stavinoha on the field is key.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

that is a good point about no negatives

Ludwick also needs to step it up. His 2009 numbers were not up to snuff for a starting RF. 2B value should improve simply by Skip improving on D. Freese hopefully will be solid. I would like to have less MIFers next year. Lugo as the only backup for 2B/SS. Craig could play LF and 3B in a pinch. The 5th OFer. We still need imo a lefty destroyer for a 4th OFer that could also play CF. I could be happy with a 2 year/18M contract to Cameron. Than just find a good 4th OFer that just mashes lefties and doesn’t have to play CF if Cameron is on the team.

Spend the extra’s on starting pitching.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 7, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cameron solves the puzzle

pretty well. the way things are moving, we better act quickly in getting an answer from holliday, rather than be used by boras as leverage.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

nothing will be worst than losing out on everyone decent because we negotiated with Holliday to long.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 8, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and then he has us

right where he wants us.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

does everything about Matt Holliday go back to nuts?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

always will

indelibly so, yadi2. i wonder if he sometimes wakes up in a cold sweat. screaming.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mark DeRosa probably does

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so if we were to sign good fielders like cameron and beltre and perhaps move freese to second that could raise our UZR by about 25

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

may as well leave freeze

at third and sign a slick 2B if that’s what you want. putting freeze at second would be like moving rolen there so polanco could play third.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but Beltre had a 21 UZR last year alone

if we had that last year our pitching staff would’ve had even more impressive numbers. Comparing freese to rolen is a completely premature thing to say,moving freese to second would be a double plus for us , so we can have a complete infield instead of a hole there with skippy.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

shakes head

move Freese to 2B? Freese is a plus defender at 3B. He was a +13 a year defender at 3B.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 7, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So a plus 3B can't be a plus defender at 2B

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

two different athletes

rolen at second would make shu look rangy. now, if you consider punto a 3B, then OK, he can play 2B. but scotty and freeze would probably be negatives at second, whereas they are big pluses at third. so why do that? and yes, shu moved, but he’ll be as good at second as he was in OF, which is so-so. nothing was lost.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also

If you ignore the first 2 months of the season, whilst he was still learning the position, Schu was a pretty respectable (in fact, slightly above average) defensive 2B the rest of the way. I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to believe he might end 2010 being about average.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

freeze won't be rolen

though he could approach beltre. i was just saying that scotty would be wasted at second because he wouldn’t be that good there. same with freeze. they might be overshadowed by shu, in fact. generally, a 2B can move to third but not vice versa, and a SS can move anywhere (defensive spectrum)

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive Spectrum???

you do know we have an OFer at second right? this is Tony “freaking” La Russa he doesn’t care about the norm. He put Freese in at catcher, can we just ignore the defensive spectrum.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

regardless

Moving Freese will have a negative affect in 2010. It took Skip a year to start to really learn 2B. Moving Freese to 2B would throw that all away. Keeping Freese at 3B allows us to put money in other areas of more concern.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 8, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beltre

is seriously, seriously good with the glove, I think you’re under-rating him a little. Rolen might be consistently the best 3B of his generation but I wonder if Beltre isn’t actually just as good (hype aside), and, at their respective current ages (and looking at recent UZR) Beltre’s probably better right now.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what is all this BS suddenly about moving Freese to 2B?

that’s the second or third time I’ve seen it from people in the last week or so.

He’s a third baseman. We don’t currently have a third baseman. Let’s not mess with it, shall we?

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

more digging

The initial speculation around Ludwick’s luggage is hilarity in hindsight.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

also the origin of today's caption

on topic, booyah.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of everything VEB, glossary or not

“luggage” is my favorite reoccurring meme
no way any other blog has a more “come for the baseball, stay for the inside jokes” kind of crowd
gdm had a quality comment on it yesterday

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 7, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, the Rays' blog alone is more arcane

and we’re nothing compared to other internet groups. which is probably a good thing.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oddly enough, I'm reading several of OperaCard's comments right now...

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

4chan’s inside jokes become the biggest inside jokes in the history of the world (literally) if that makes sense. That entire place is a series of inside jokes.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 7, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that place disturbs me for many different reasons....

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 7, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

I think I mentioned being asked out on there once. Awkward.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 7, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

basically a place for creeps to have their creepy inclinations reinforced by other creeps

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 7, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've only been there once

and tbh I thought it was pretty unpleasant. I like some of the memes that’ve come from it, but the board (is it called b?) was basically full of deeply unpleasant sophomore humour, flame wars, and a LOT of racism. I wonder if maybe it jumped the shark a while back?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rules 1 and 2...

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Nov 8, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carp's stache
Pinero is winning the mustache growing contest
It’s a blowout.
by cloistermaximus on Jul 8, 2009 8:16 PM CDT

Did carp grow one?
by brindled on Jul 8, 2009 8:16 PM CDT

yes
by Evilfrog on Jul 8, 2009 8:17 PM CDT

Begrudgingly
by cloistermaximus on Jul 8, 2009 8:17 PM CDT

The same way he allows baserunners
by mojowo11 on Jul 8, 2009 8:22 PM CDT

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh hey, it's me!

Hello distant past me.

by mojowo11 on Nov 8, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

blows the mind, doesn't it?

I’m currently reading through HL’s stumping for the Holliday trade and the many reactions to it.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

baseline for Big Mac

chuck b. checked our batting splits

The bottom line – we’re an average offensive team…but only b/c we have Pujols.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not completely true any more.

There was a pronounced first-half/second-half split, only part of which was because of Holliday. A fair bit of it came from getting Greene and Thurston off the field and replacing them with Lugo (who was above league average for his positions in OPS, etc.) and DeRosa (who wasn’t, but was better than what he replaced). Production for the first half of the year was indeed basically league average. Production for the second half was distinctly better than average.

The OPS bump from Holliday may not last. The bump from Lugo probably will. At third, who knows?

by StanTheManFan on Nov 7, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and quite possibly, only one of those additions will be playing next year

which is why I still hold that it’s a good baseline.

(in other words, they’d better be better than that)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if DeRose won't be playing in St. Louiis next year

Thurston won’t, either. That produces a bump to the OBP even if he’s replaced by a sack of turnips.

by StanTheManFan on Nov 7, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah yes old turnip sack

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I like Chair's upside more.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Nov 7, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not making another picture

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still trying to find one in the threads

where we discussed the upside of a tee-ball at the plate.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok I did it, but not because you said so , but to prove I can

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Now that is an OBP mo-chine.

Well, more so than Thursty and Infection at least.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Nov 7, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

HBP’s galore the way he’s extending his seat out over the plate.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and he can field like crazy, the way his arms extend

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd sign him

thing is, league minimum is around 400k, and i’d feel stupid paying a chair that much…oh…yeah, we did pay thursty that, so…yeah, the chair is definitely worth it.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i want the rock though, too bad he might go with the mets

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rock

should go to anaheim (isn’t that the place with the boulders beyond the outfield fence?). He could play OF and have his own Mannywood.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rock should stay here

we traded a bundle for him

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

walrus covers rock

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no-one else seemed to love that comment but I did.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm honored

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 9, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

did find

Chair, though

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

at least turnip sack

touches the damn base.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey touching the bag is like the fourth hardest thing to do in baseball

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just realized this guy's helmet is humongous.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Holliday?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you mean Nuts?

Nuts Holliday?

if he walks, he’s Nuts to me.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm dyslexic

and can’t spell, so it works BRILLIANTly for me.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what happened to my pic?

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here it is again

F’N SBnation

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

woops I just needed to refresh

F’N SBnationF’N firefox

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we'll get a pretty nice bump from not playing Thurston, Ankiel (hopefully), Duncan, Stav, Greene (either), or Robinson next year

I think those guys combined for less than a .300 wOBA. Ugh.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Would there be any logic in signing

Orlando Hudson to play some 2B and 3B? He’s a switch hitter who could fit nicely in the 2 hole ahead of Pujols. You could use him in a sort of platoon role. When facing RHP, he could play 3B and Schumaker could play 2B and against LHP, he could play 2B and Freese could play at 3B. Sorry, just thinking of any ways to increase production in the 2 hole. I like Rasmus better in the 6th or 7th spot in the order. I don’t necessarily hate having Boogs in the 2 hole, if he can preform like he did in the 2nd half this season, but I think Hudson could do some serious damage in the 2 hole.
There are so many questions and few options for this team if they can’t resign Holliday or sign Bay.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 7, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Type A

Nope

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 7, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers have a 2B hole

And they know they can get him cheap if they offer Arb.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 7, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lost his job

in the postseason to Belliard. Torre must have had a reason.

by ubeddie on Nov 7, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Belliard has that 06 experience...

ah memories

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he was carrying an injury through september.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also

he had a really good year and so will be muy expensive.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not be too hard on the English ...

Chaucer clearly followed baseball:

Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
5 Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
10 That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages.

Pilgrimage. That’s exactly the word.

by alberich on Nov 7, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

*akward stare*

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 7, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 7, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and this becomes the first image i've ever closed off....because it's that damn disturbing...

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 7, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not sure i want to tell you you're

wrong, but I do think some guys have skin tone that varies a LOT with how much sun they see. My vague recollection is that sosa may be one of those guys.maybe in the photo up top sosa had just spent three months working out in outdoor fields in the Dominican and in the bottom photo, he’s been inside in NYC for the last three months.

Again, not saying you’re wrong, but don’t jump to conclusions.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 7, 2009 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

while this is true

i don’t think it’s the case here, tom. i DO hope i’m wrong, but i’ve reason to think i’m not.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there's at least some photoshop fakery in that one, too

the colors, especially red, are way out of balance. Whole picture looks weird.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 7, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that was the conclusion I drew.

It also looks slightly over-exposed and washed out…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

does the amount of sun you get change your eye color too?

I think sam beckett leaped into him to stop the corked bat situation…but he was 6 years late…oops

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2009 5:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope but photoshop can...

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next time you see something like that

just go ahead and keep it to yourself… that’s way too creepy

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 7, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

everything about that picture is disturbing…between sosa all the sudden resembling tony shaloub and the chick have bell’s palsy, i can’t look anymore

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 7, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why but that pic of Sosa reminded me of Nipsey Russell (Tin Man) in The Wiz.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 7, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

let's clear the slates, shall we...

I like this one better.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

aww why did lil' dunc have to go and ruin it.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

COLBY!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 2:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2008 Free Agent signings

I pulled some data from espn about last off season. There were 190 Free Agents, including players who were non tendered (Aaron Miles). Of the 190, 107 signed new MLB contracts, 75 signed minor league contracts and 8 retired. Of the 107 siging MLB contracts, only 36 received multiple year contracts (including Aaron Miles).

This link is to a spreadsheet I created. The spreadsheet is sorted in descending order by average annual value of the new MLB contract. There are some totals of various information starting in row 198. The Rank column was ESPN’s ranking of the FA’s when last year’s off season started. The data might help in guessing this year’s hot stove action.

I forgot how boring last year was for the Cards. LaRue, Miller and Reyes for $4.450 mm. My heart be still; a back up Catcher and two LOOGYs.

by ubeddie on Nov 7, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lol @ brewers

The Brewers also declined a $3.7 million option on right-hander David Weathers(notes) on Friday, buying him out for $400,000. They likely will have to turn to the free agent market to help their struggling staff.
Melvin said he considers right-hander John Lackey "head and shoulders" above other available free agent pitchers, but wouldn’t say whether the Brewers would be serious bidders for the Los Angeles Angels ace.
Melvin said the Brewers might have to gamble on a pitcher with a history of injury problems, such as left-handed free agent Mark Mulder.
"We’ll still focus on pitching, and see if we can improve," Melvin said.

Here
Mark Mulder.
Well, good luck.

Matthew, Mark, Lugo, and John.

by BVHeck on Nov 7, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, except the Cards track record against ex-Cards pitchers is also laughable

just wait.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh god

and this one’s a lefty, too.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

soft tossing lefties... no.... no, he's a rookie... and he's been on the DL...

remember to wake up before the K

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

now would it be a slap in the face if mulder returned to his oakland day glory?

and without giving up dan haren

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that settles it

gonna sign with arizona now, just to remind us, and finish second in the cy to…

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ouch that would suck.

and no it would be a tie

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 7, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you are correct

no one ever remembers who finishes second, so it would have to be a tie so that their names would be forever linked…ummm…

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they've lost a lot of salary with cameron, hardy and someone else I don't remember (Looper?)

so I could see them being players for Lackey. They certainly need to make a move now – Fielder will be gone this time next year (probably), and their other mainstays are moving towards arby, getting expensive or close to FA. This year and next might be their last chance to really compete in this division without bumping payroll.

I think they’ve really hamstrung themselves with the Hoffman signing (if they went internal for a closer and saved that $8m I’m sure they could’ve been big players for Lackey or, say, Harden), and with that woeful Hardy trade. They should’ve just kept hold of Hardy, hoped for a rebound in his hitting (which will probably happen) and looked to shift him near the deadline. I’m sure the RedSox will be more amenable to trading Bard or Bucholz when they’re 6 games behind the Yankees in August.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am so tired today

Helped my Dad do some yard work that he needed done. He had me digging ditches all day. I have office works hands. My hands got all cut up from shoveling all day.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 7, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

gritty

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A real man...

would be pounding shots eastside after a day of ditch digging.

Me? I’m watching CSPAN on a Saturday night. Oh yeah…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 7, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha me too....

i’m hooked for no reason. i guess it’s fascinating to see how our government actually operates…but dayum is it boring and tedious.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 7, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whatever, watch British politics

they’re snarkier and they insult each other more

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngMs_4I1__o

LOL

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 7, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha.

Robin Williams described the House of Commons as Congress with a two drink minimum.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 7, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha.

used to hate Williams but he’s grown on me lately. I saw the film “The Big White” recently, and I thought he was really, really good in it.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ahhhh yeah...

fascinating. I’m actually starting to wonder if the Chinese model isn’t preferable.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 7, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

taiwanese govt.

produces some excellent fisticuffs

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I read a book by Bill Bryson, well one of many,

about Australia. It’s called In a Sunburnt Country, a good read. He tries to explain how their gov’t works in a chapter that is pretty funny. They are just out there.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 7, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you not have gloves?

That’s kinduva must for people that aren’t used to it.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 7, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so lemme get this straight.

become a clubhouse leader on the cubs → they let you go next season?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well I haven't given my thoughts for the roster/ FAs yet so here's a few

Remove- Stavinoha, Robinson, Pagz
Add-DJ tools, Craig, Salas, Jay, Sanchez,anderson,( not sure who else though)
Sign
Adrian Beltre 2yrs/14M (freese is still unproven and Beltre is a freaking genius with the glove) or Crede to 1/4.5
Mike Cameron 2/15+ incentives
Baldeli 1/1M
Washburn 2/13M or Ben Sheets 2/15 + incentive and vesting option
Smoltzy 1/3M with incentives

what is that about ~23-27M

Can I just bring up the argument for Beltre one last time, he’s 30 and has averaged 25Hr since his 48 Hr season. And even though last year was bad(offensively) his defense should merit consideration.Yes, I know freese is cheap and he’s a decent defender, but we still aren’t sure what he’ll do at the dish.

Bring on the criticism.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think Cameron will get more than that

No, to Washburn yes to Ben Sheets or another high upside pitcher. Yes, to Baldeli if we sign Cameron. Would not mind Smoltz coming back under 5M

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I said incentives for Cameron

I want to make sure a guy who is turning 37 in january earns his money.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

don’t have any numbers in my pocket, but in my estimation he’s about as good an all-around player today as torii hunter, and i certainly wouldn’t mind TH patrolling LF. cameron is older, sure, so he’s not getting any long-term mega-deal like hunter, but he’s gonna get paid for a couple years.

i’d rather pay him alot, personally, for one year so as to keep LF available for 2011 (craig, jones, CRAWFORD). i’d prefer 1/13 to 2/20.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I too am all about Crawford in LF

I’d like to keep a bit of powder dry for August just in case the Rays are in sell-now mode…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rocco?

Y’know, I haven’t heard about his situation lately.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

due diligence

is in order…where the hell is my gavel!!

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

check the couch cushions

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

got it.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I might be wrong

but I don’t think we need to protect Tools yet. Sanchez certainly doesn’t need to be on the 40 man (unless you’re planning on him making opening day?).

I think you’re just being unrealistic about how much money baseball players cost. Cameron is a real stretch at 2/15 – someone’ll give him at least 2/20 I’d have thought. Beltre is WAY low at 2/14; I’d be surprised if he doesn’t get 3 years somewhere, and surprised if he doesn’t get about 10m/yr.

Washburn’s probably more expensive than 6.5m/yr (again, I’d think he’ll get close to 2/20 somewhere), Baldelli should get more than 1/1, Smoltz will want AT LEAST what he got last year after he’s proven his fitness (and that was 5m plus incentives to bring it up to 9).

I think if we sign all these players we’re spending over $40m. You’re just not being realistic.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 5:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's funny that Theriot always has the same expression

every. time. Yadier. picks him off.

6ly, how many times can one guy get picked off?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

eyes pleading for mercy

from the ump, like a Little Leaguer.

is that photo cropped? on the left, just beyond his hand, i seem to remember a cookie jar.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's where Albert keeps the cookies for the needy

so of course he brings it to wrigley

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 1:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A metaphor for our season?

But really I just wanted an excuse to post this….

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 3:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ok that's a bit disturbing

at least in the middle of the nite…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the blow-dry method

definitely the sweetest.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude. Buzzkill.

I was on top of the world after that handegg game I attended a little while ago and you just had tot ear me down.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh you know it's awesome

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 3:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is a great metaphor for the cubs season

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seizure inducing???

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no this is

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're getting worse

than gdm… ricockulous

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I aspire to be the new GDM

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're doing a pretty good job so far.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's the offseason, if I want to show gifs I will

it’s better than Ugg talk anyday

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind.

Usually they’re funny. Sometimes terrifying though.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we need beta-male self deprecation STAT

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 3:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

where is GDM anyways?, I haven't heard from him for a couple days

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's been around.

Just not as often as usual. Maybe he found a girlfriend.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We all know that would never happen...

He might read that… it’s not nice to get his hopes all up like that.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 4:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sarcasm?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 4:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Y'all are so mean.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 4:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the truth hurts

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 4:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's only mean if he's not in on the joke

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 4:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh you know he'll read it and laugh....

and then cry…..

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why do you think GDM will actaully go back and read all these

“because I think GDM is awesome and is possibly the coolest person I know. I only wish to be as awesome as him some day”

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

life at VEB

would be so different if he’d never been around…like that movie…he’s like the jimmy stewart of VEB.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 4:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty frightening too.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why was the game like this?


and yes it’s gif time

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude put down the bong and go to sleep

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fine but one last gif

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there has been much head shaking tonite...

nice to see it’s still continuing

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what? what's wrong wih this gif

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That it's just random

I do a lot of head shaking at this time of nite generally speaking

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

random=funny to me

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At a certain point of nite

things stop being funny and start becoming ricockulous to me… it’s not your fault

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

please give me the definition of "ricockulous"

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the same as ridiculous...

there’s some very easy math to do there…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping for something epic ducttape.

You let me down.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh it's an Adam Carolla thing

back from his Loveline days… is that better?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

does this follow the definition?

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That just made me laugh out loud.

So awesome.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There was an audible snicker from me...

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is this ricockulous or just wrong

http://gifnation.com/albums/funny/babylick17.gif and yes I think it is offensive and funny at the same time

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a little of both

and a lot of laughing… take that as you will

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

too far....too far

the internet is a weird place

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a very scary and weird place but you adapt

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so that's what happens when Mo makes the bear happy

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 8, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

best ever

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Terrifying.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, what was I thinking? now I'm scared, I closed the image

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 8, 2009 3:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is scarier

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 8, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

do you think

she’s looking into a mirror behind the photographer?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 8, 2009 3:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beisbol has been berry berry good to me

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 8, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"no speaka de english"....

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 9, 2009 6:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of 4chan...

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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