La Russter's Millions
by DanUpBaby on Nov 6, 2009 6:15 AM EST
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I am seriously and late-breakingly jet-lagged, so I've got to make this quick; I've fallen asleep five or six times in the course of writing this sentence.
Decent AAA LOOGY (Tyler Norrick?) and hazy AA pitching prospect (???) for Jeremy Hermida would have been an interesting play for these Cardinals for the same reason it was for those Red Sox—there has to be some plan to fall back on in the event of a failure to sign one of Jason Bay or Matt Holliday, and this particular ex-top-prospect—who hit a grand slam against the Cardinals in his first MLB at-bat—even coming up on five years since his day in the sun, is a solid low-risk choice. The usual encouraging splits apply: he could be platooned effectively (.792 v. .697) and he'll do better outside of TSFKA Pro Player (.815 v. .721.) Provided there's no pre-existing psychological condition rendering all of this wishcasting moot in five months, this seems like a good move.
The other marginal outfielder trade from yesterday—that one I don't like quite as much. We'll always have Moneyball, but what gives teams the idea that Mark Teahen hits enough to be a starting outfielder? As a rich man's Eric Hinske he might have a lot of value for a team with a fragile third baseman and a flexible outfield, but he only replaces Jermaine Dye inasmuch as he might have one of Jermaine Dye's bad years. Josh Fields is no prize, and I'm not sure what the Royals are going to do with him except play yet another third baseman out of his depth in left field while trying to get Alex Gordon going, but I'm not sure what problem Mark Teahen solves.
I've always had a soft spot for Hermida, and—well, I've always had a soft spot for Moneyball, at least. But yesterday's Bobby Abreu deal seems like a more likely eventual route for the Cardinals; if they don't get Holliday I just can't see the payroll staying as low as it is. So I have a question for you, the viewers: what does the Cardinals' last thirty million look like in the offseason? My guess right now, in the non-Holliday division, is that they spread it out; as much as I like John Lackey, I just can't see this organization giving up a first rounder for a guy who's basically the pitcher they thought Kyle Lohse was.
My guess: they spread it out among the team's current holes, in a way that is both useful and completely, unsatisfyingly boring. Jon Garland/J.J. Putz/Johnny Damon? Come on down.
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I know it was mentioned on here yesterday
but if Holliday is a no go….then Adam Dunn is the guy I want. I don’t care how bad of a defensive player he is precieved to be or how bad he “hates mom and apple pie”….we need a big HR/RBI guy to hit behind Albert that is not named Ryan Ludwick and Dunn is our guy. Plus the site of Mark McGwire and Adam Dunn standing side by side will be a site to see.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Nov 6, 2009 6:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As for pitching
I can see them taking a Garland to see what Duncan can do for him. Not real exciting but can he can give us some innings. He really didn’t have a great ERA for the Diamonbacks last year and gave up the long ball too much….but he might be a decent “project pitcher” that the Cards are known for getting. I would like to think they could do better than that though. He’s really no better than a 4th strarter at this point…if that. I also think they will sign Smoltz on a one year deal. I think they are going to focus more of getting a hitter than putting funds into pitching. They still think Franklin is their closer so I don’t see them going after a semi-name closer/late innings guy unless one becomes available on the cheap.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Nov 6, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Although there seemed to be something of a (at times misinformed) sabr-witch-hunt against him last off-season
I actually don’t mind Garland. The fact LA turned down his $10m option (paying him 2.5m in the process) suggests they think he’ll get <$7.5m on the open market for one year. For my money (and even for Bill DeWitt’s), in a pitcher’s park where fewer of his FB will turn into dingers, something like $7m for one year of Garland isn’t a bad deal at all.
I’d much, much rather spend that cash on Smoltz, but if we get Smoltz for something similar, Cameron/Damon/whoever to play LF for $12m or so, we’ve still got (conservative estimate) another 5-10m to spend. I reckon we could drop that on Garland, move Smoltz to the pen, and have a pretty tasty lineup next year.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 6:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You may not care about his defense, but our pitching staff will be maimed by it.
Our offense was not good- yet we made the postseason in 2009 on the strength of pitching and (lucky/clutch) defense. Literally the majority of what Dunn brings on offense he gives back on defense. He will also cost prospects and a lot more money than he is worth. For $10M, we could sign Mark Derosa or Mike Cameron (who were both better than Dunn in 2009 and figure to be better in 2010), and we could probably get another decent player like Brian Giles or Marlon Byrd, and we could keep Adam Ottavino or Adam Reifer or whatever other prospects the Nationals would be asking for.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How was Cameron better than Dunn in 2009?
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Nov 6, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by WAR, it wasn't even close
Cameron was worth 4.3, Dunn just 1.2. This illustrates just how poor Dunn is on defense. Look at their slash stats:
Dunn: .267/.398/.529/.928, .394 wOBA
Cameron: .250/.342/.448/.795, .346 wOBA
Despite a 100 point difference in OPS and 50 point advantage in wOBA, Dunn was ~3 wins worse than Cameron (due to the fact that he is ~30-40 runs worse than the average LFer on defense)
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Oquendo effect only works on infielders
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you ADMDrayson
That snarky comment made my day. Rec’d.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 6, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how tall is he?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn hates ground ball drills too
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
only American ground ball drills.
Really, the guy should move to Japan and re-invent himself as a shortstop.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 6:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would you bat Dunn's 40 hr behind Albert
or his high OBP in front of Albert?
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Nov 6, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In front. . .
but it’s what’s called a “happy problem”.
His defense, on the other hand, would be what’s called an “unhappy problem”.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have mistakes here, we just have happy accidents
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
awesome
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Nov 6, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how would we get Dunn from Nationals?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy
1) Decide we want to get Dunn from Nationals
2) ??
3) Profit!
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fredbird's van
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The mythical step 2 is Fredbird's van?
This answers so many questions for me.
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"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 6, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no, it's supposed to be 2.
3. should be “???”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"a site to see"
Unless they start their own webpage together, I believe that should be “a sight”.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Nov 6, 2009 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
we are definitely going to rely on FAs this winter
here’s my two guesses/cents:
Scenario 1: “wishful thinking”. Chone Figgins (3/32 w/ vesting option). The rich man’s DeRosa whom can play serviceably at 2B/3B and LF and trades Slugging Pct for OBP. Then a few risk/reward guys—Smoltz (4M with incentives to take it to 8/9); I’d actually like a flyer on a JJ Putz or Wagner, but have no idea what that might cost. let’s say Putz (1.5/2M w/ incentives to take it to 4/5). cost a total of 38M or so in commitments, 17 or so for 2009, which is ironically, the best deal we’d probably be able to get Holliday for.
Scenario 2: “more realistic”. a Non-tender-type (Josh Willingham hopefully?) or Xavier Nady or Mike Cameron (1 or 2 years at 6-8 per; less for Nady) with Smoltzie and another arm SP or RP. I could also see us going after a lefty bat for the bench, if Nady isn’t the one signed. Giles was mentioned, and I wouldn’t mind that, considering cost and “provenness”. please no Rick.
Not sure if any of them actually play out, but I suspect Craig won’t be given the job, by any means, and he’ll have to fight for his roster spot. Freese looks to be starting at the hot corner, unless a Chone/DeRosa is around to give TLR too much temptation.
Lineups:
Scenario 1:
Skip
Figgins
Pujols
Ludwick
Rasmus
Freese
Yadi
Ryan
Pitcher
Scenario 2:
Skip/Lugo
Rasmus
Pujols
Ludwick
Nady/Willingham/Cameron
Freese
Yadi
Ryan
Pitcher
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Nov 6, 2009 8:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Critique:
I don’t see the Cards going after Figgins. If we’re going to get someone to play third not named Freese, I think it will be DeRosa. And I’m guessing the Skip/Lugo platoon at second is pretty well solidified, so I wouldn’t expect to get Fig and use him at the keystone.
Josh Willingham will not be non-tendered.
by arch support on Nov 6, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see us getting Figgins
he’ll want to stay on the West coast and I’ve a feeling the Angels will want to pay him more than anyone else anyway.
Get ready to dole up a 50-60m contract if you want Figgins. Personally, I’m not convinced he’s going to age at all well, and I think his speed is over-rated (he actually isn’t a particularly good base-stealer). You can probably find a .370 OBP with no power and a decent glove in a cheaper package somewhere. Damon is a similar hitter with more powar, a crappier glove (though I still think he can be close to average in LF) and will cost fewer dollars and years.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 6:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Putz.
He’s like an older, less healthy Blaine Boyer.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why in gods name
would josh willingham be non-tendered?
maybe the rays will non-tender longoria and we can just grab him
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fire up the van!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria's on a 7 year deal, so he can't be non-tendered.
Maybe Lincecum will be non-tendered instead.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so are you saying the Rays are going to flat out release Longoria?
must be our lucky day!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think they really like the baseballs we have in our clubhouse and will trade him
to us for a bag of them.
by ADMDrayson on Nov 6, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon folks, let's not get greedy!
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
by Solanus on Nov 6, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
they’d totally want that nice new bat rack we have too…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess word has gotten around
that the Cardinals know to to properly rub up their balls.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heyo
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nearly spit out my food on that one...
well played.
by stlfan on Nov 6, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have dropped at TWSS
but that crown has already been taken, and it would be wrong of me to steal that thunder.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
but maybe they will just release him. and then when the marlins release hanley ramirez we can pick him up too
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum, that's perfect!
We all know how much folks in San Francisco hate pot smokers. They’re probably doing the paperwork to get rid of him as we speak. I expect MO to make the announcement within days.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the world would Willingham be non-tendered?
Does someone in the MLB front office have dirty pictures of Ted Lerner or something?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if they don't
I am sure we can get some person on this site to make some up.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hint, hint.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can deal them
Fernando Salas for him straight up then. Where’s vexedtechie and the Photoshop machine?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sombody freed him earlier.
he’s probably in mexico by now.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But after looking at all the fake dirty pictures we've send them,
they surely won’t care that he’s no longer in the organization right?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what kind of asshole would free vexed?
GDM?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he was called up to the big show
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you underestimate Lackey very severely.
Check his line. This is a guy who has been consistently a well above league average starter for many years, even after park effects. He’s not old, and he hasn’t been overworked. A telling trivium: on Baseball-Reference’s list of comparables for him appears the name Chris Carpenter.
If this guy is on the market at an acceptable price, snap him up and let Holliday be replaced by Craig. I’m very much in favor of trying to keep Holliday, but with a choice between him and a grossly undervalued pitching stud, I’d let him walk in an instant.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he is comparable to Carp then snap that guy up...(its a new tv show)
3 cyborgs and the wise old man (Smoltz) fear no man and along with “the Mang” and Yadi they pitch, throw out arrogant players who think they can just walk back to first, and grand slam their way to the World Series and then Geopolitical World Domination.
by ADMDrayson on Nov 6, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So
you’re in favor of losing game 3-1 all year long?
I can’t see spending another $12-$15M on the rotation this offseason. I mean, you can never have enough pitching, but you can have too many expensive pitchers if you’re on a budget, especially since you don’t have a lot of cheap, quality position players.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have thought this all season
we can’t have 4 pitchers making 10M + . I just can’t see it. Yet another reason I have never liked the Lohse contract.
Yes, I know A.D.AM wont make 10M until 2013, but still, I stand by my point, unless someone of Lackey’s caliber is willing to sign a 2 or 3 year deal.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to roll the dice with a cheap, short-term option
like Smoltz, Myers, etc. and fill the #5 spot with Boggs or Garcia.
You can literally do this every year if you want to. The key is to have good starters in the 1 and 2 spots, and we have those as long as Carp stays healthy.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you literally HAVE to do this every year.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that you have to
I think that if you can fill your rotation with 2-3 good farm products you wouldn’t need to do this and could then spend money on position players and Ace-type starting pitchers.
Now, I do think that it’s good business to look at cheap #4 starters because they always seem to be undervalued commodities on the market.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
in recent years it seems to me people have drastically over-valued average, innings-eater type starters and overpaid for them. There’s a pretty long list of guys who’ve never broken 4.00FIP in a full season (or at least haven’t done it by much) and got $40m+ long-term deals.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 6:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree with this sentiment,
where would you rather spend the money this offseason if Holliday becomes a Yankee/Red Sock/Yomiuri Giant?
What is your Plan B, to keep the powder dry?
After Holliday, with the possible exception of Xavier Nady, who I want to research further, all of the OFs who have any offensive ability are atrocious defensively.
This isn’t meant to be argumentative, I’m genuinely interested in your answer.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 6, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I just looked at Xavier Nady
Color me unimpressed. I guess he’s a good buy low candidate, but I don’t see much upside there, at least for what the Cards’ need.
His walk rate is mediocre. His defensive record is spotty and he’ll be coming off Tommy John surgery that may mean he’s not even ready on opening day. At best he’s a league-average defensive LF, and that’s takes some slight wish-casting.
The one upside that I see is that he’s a line-drive hitter. But he’s a line drive hitter with a high K-rate and a low BB-rate. Go figure. Upside of maybe 300/340/480, but that’s after missing a season and having TJ surgery.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 6, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nady
is coming off second TJ. too risky in any plan, it would seem, except maybe as a bench bat.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he won't cost much though
if we spent our money on, say, Figgins (which I wouldn’t want to do) and we need an insurance policy for Craig/whoever in LF, I bet we could have Nady for <$6m.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 6:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If no Holliday
Here’s what I would do:
- Make a run at Mike Cameron and try to get him to sign a 1Y$8M deal to play LF — making sure that you emphasize “playing Left Field”. He’s a good candidate to be worth at least 3 WAR with his defensive prowess, and he makes our defense even better. This also gives us another OF that can play CF, and the one year deal leaves the flexibility to go after Carl Crawford at the deadline or next offseason when he’ll be a free agent.
- Sign Russell Branyan to a 2Y$6M deal to be the next Spiezio type. He can play both outfield and infield corners, would fill the LH power bat off the bench, and can be the backup option at 3B in case Freese fails miserably.
- Pursue Smoltz on a one year deal or Brett Myers on a cheap two year deal to fill the fourth rotation spot.
- Leave a lot of dry powder for the trade deadline next year, when there could likely be some very good players available due to falling revenues and looming arbitration increases.
The focus should be on signing Holliday though — he’s the best opportunity to improve this team this offseason.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can he still play the OF?
maybe it doesn’t matter much, but he’s not played much in the OF since 2006…there’s likely a good reason for that.
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a good reason for that:
Brewers (2008) – Braun LF, Cory Hart RF; gaping hole at 3B
Mariners (2009) – Ichiro RF, Gutierrez CF, defensive flavor of the month LF, gaping hole at 1B.
Neither of those teams needed Branyan to play outfield, so he played 3B and 1B respectively. Spiezio wasn’t a player who was going to play LF and RF on a regular basis, just one who had the type of bat that could fill in there on occasion. I think he could fill in there as a spot starter.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can't be worse in the OF than Adam Dunn.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also seems to have embraced his
role as a three true outcomes guy too. His walk rate is up considerably the last two seasons, and he really destroys pitches that are middle in while not swinging at as many balls out of the zone like he used to.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
remember when he was a cardinal?
that was weird.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2007 Cardinals baseball in general was weird (and sad)
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very much so
getting guys that no one else wanted… and I don’t remember much of Branyan’s time as a member of the Redbirds. Did he even play at all?
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"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he appeared in a handful of games. Like, 10 or 20 at the most.
He was basically just a backup 3B unless I’m remembering wrong.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He did.
I don’t think he got a hit, though.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he did
He hit a titanic moonshot home run in there.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He did hit a whopping .188. How could I forget?
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Maroth!
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at a home game he played
Can’t recall what he played, 3rd or 1st. He struck out and snapped his bat over his knee, it was badass.
by from First to Third on Nov 6, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him playing 3rd
in the few games I saw him play
Those were desperate times.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 6, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had high hopes for Cardinal Branyan V 1.0
I would be willing to give V 2.0 a chance
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your Branyan salary is extremely low.
Yes, he signed cheap last season, but he’s proved it in front of one of the smarter front offices in baseball. I doubt he gets out of Seattle, and I think he’ll make at least $5M aav.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
or maybe they decide to go in a different direction entirely…
Did you say the Mariners front office is one of the smarter front offices in baseball? Are you kidding? They traded Adam Jones and others for Erik Bedard, gave Richie Sexson a huge contract, gave Adrian Beltre a huge contract, moved Brandon Morrow to the pen when he’s their best SP prospect, etc. Apparently you’re seeing something that I’m not seeing.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except you're talking about a different staff.
Jack Zdurencik came in after those trades and traded for Gutierrez, signed Branyan on the cheap, got rid of Yuniesky Betancourt, sold pretty high on Putz, etc.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think the Morrow move was a bad one
I’m not sure about the trade for Jack Wilson either. I think they are trying to build an awesome defensive ballclub, but you still have to score some runs once and a while to win games, and a lot of these guys don’t hit much at all. Signing Griffey was also curious to me.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Great D is the most under valued commodity right now
I love the All Glove team. Makes signing pitchers to one year deals easier.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in theory
Makes signing pitchers to one year deals easier.
I’ve yet to see this actually applied in practice though.
I’m ok with valuing defense, but I’m not valuing corner OF defense and defense at 1B over offense at those prospective positions. It’s REALLY hard to be a 2 win defender, but look at all the guys who are worth 2 wins just with the bat. You have to have some type of balance between defense, pitching, and offensive ability.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They were able to trade Jarrod Washburn for...anything
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think maybe defense was undervalued in 2006-2007
But the Mariners are pretty much playing the all-glove team. TB is another good example. I think just about every FO has caught on by now
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except the Royals
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Royals are so poorly run
It still blows my mind their GM got an extension.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad attitude = new bad body
Free Milton
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I meant to say
Major league FO
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But they haven't even gotten
to Moneyball version 1.0 yet, which is high OBP = more runs scored. Thus the trade for Mike Jacobs….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Morrow is a diabetic and has trouble controlling his blood sugar in the rotation.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had not heard this...
but I have a friend who is diabetic, and he can play an entire hockey game (150 min or so) without having to take injections, I don’t know why Morrow’s case would be any different.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not all Diabetics are the same....
Adam Morrison injected on the side lines during college. Now that he’s on the lakers, he has plenty of time to go into the locker room though.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 6, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think the Morrow move was a bad one
I’m not sure about the trade for Jack Wilson either.
Morrow wanted to move back to the pen and basically said that he wasn’t happy starting. He’s also got some serious issues with his mechanics, apparently, so I wonder if the pen isn’t his best shot at contributing long-term.
I think the Wilson deal was basically kinda meh.
IMO Zdurinkckiekckiekck has done a really good job so far; I think the Mariners front office is finally embracing the 21st century and will be one of the better ones in baseball going forward.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget that they
gave that Albatross to Johimja…..Lucky for them he opted out.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 6, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
excuse me, does that japanese catcher come with wafers?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no...just albatross.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 6, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can i get my albatross in a vernon wells flavor instead?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
....
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 6, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah all right, then.
i don’t think i wanted anything vernon wells flavored anyway.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty much accepted that the Mariners have the best front office in baseball
They turned an injured and expensive JJ Putz into Franklin Guttierez, they turned Washburn into… something. They picked up Branyan for nothing, Endy for nothing, Hannahan for nothing..
by vivaelpujols on Nov 7, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be one of the most reactionary statements that I've read
It’s pretty much accepted that the Mariners have the best front office in baseball
Don’t be a Cameron/Sullivan lemming. As fans, we have so little insight into the workings of a front office it’s impossible to say something like that. The Mariners certainly appear to be moving in the right direction and they certainly appear to have a smart front office but to make that kind of a statement based on one year (and no real comparison to the other 29 teams) is dumb.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Nov 7, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's reasonable
what i like alot is this notion of keeping crawford on the radar.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
just imagine Crawford, Colby and Jones in the outfield in 3 years. That would be, what, about the best defensive OF in history?!?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
although I dunno if Branyan is necessary (even though I really like him) when we have Craig/Freese for that corner/backup role. I also think Branyan did enough this year to get paid more than 2/6m (although if he’s available for that lowly price, I think you just about have to get him, really, it’s too good to pass up).
Also, I think I’d go a lot higher than 1/8 for Cameron. I’d probably go as high as $12m. Like you say, the flexibility of the 1-year deal for a genuine top-quality player is worth slightly overpaying.
Smoltz is an absolute given. He’s said he wants to be back, we all want him back, make it happen, Mo.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 6:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tbh
we only have one expensive position player…
how wild is that?
by jealousblues on Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
love lackey
though he brings to mind waino moreso than carp. he definitely has their height, too. and he’s a badass in terms of temperament. i realize he costs a pick but as plan B to holliday you could offset that with the pick we get from holliday – at least justify it. and how is lackey + cameron not greater than holliday?
as for the damon, putz, garland troika…that’s weak. i’d talk to wagner, though.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
id do it...
but I know the team wont
by jealousblues on Nov 6, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs has their Cards minor league review up:
For those of us who don’t go there religiously.
Highlights:
Yay Adron Chambers.
Boo Adam Ottavino (which I feel is kind of a slight: Ott’s not been awesome, sure, but I can think of a few other prospects who had more disappointing seasons).
Yay Tyler Henley.
Opinion of Colby: not a glorious rookie season, but certainly a good ML player.
And Nick Additon gets a mention since he was Hulet’s (the author’s) 2008 system sleeper.
I’m surprised by the Chambers pick as the system’s riser. I would think Descalso would have gotten some love here, given that he’s closer to the majors and has, IMO, a better chance of being an ML regular.
by arch support on Nov 6, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
Those are only supposed to be players not likely to make the top ten lists. This, no Descalso.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 6, 2009 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion of Colby: Awesome.
And gorgeous.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about Chambers
I think he’s going to turn into a bit of an empty toolbox ultimately.
They’re wrong on Ottavino – from everything I heard, he was really starting to put it together as the season went on, so he’s really made progress, despite the mediocre stats overall.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ottavino
showed good stuff in the WBC. that may have affected his first-half, though. i personally think he’s a sleeper, to use that designation liberally.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fear!
I think my biggest fear is that Colby Rasmus offense develops along the lines of Mr. Hermida (i don’t think its true…. but….). With that in mind – How about Rasmus for Halliday and League?
I know I am opening up another hole but then we could resign Ankiel, sign DeRosa and another lefty mashing outfielder and hope pitching is the key?!
by Lawless on Nov 6, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you mean Halladay
all I can say is “dream on.”
by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rasmus for halladay?
straight up, eh?
let’s do this right after willingham is non-tendered
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Blue Jays would even eat all of Halladay's salary after they signed him for a few years first.
by ADMDrayson on Nov 6, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
the only way i’d do it is if we got halladay for free. only fair that way
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't think of a troika I would want LESS on this team
I’d rather the Cardinals save up for a midseason acquisition than sign middling players like Garland, Damon and Putz. It’s time to either go big or go home. They don’t need a bunch of marginal or average talent hanging around; they need another superstar to couple with Pujols.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Nov 6, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
amen...
but I think Damon would be quite good hitting ahead of Pujols.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 6, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be 37 next season
He’s about due for a down year at the plate, and his defense is terrible.
FWIW, 17 of his 24 homers came at Yankee Stadium this year, you know, the one with the jet stream that carries balls over the right field fence? He’s a buy high guy and I fear that we’ll be really disappointed with him if we sign him.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
I have a feeling he’d be Juan Encarnacion with half the results, twice the pay, but with a winning personality so the idiot fans may not notice.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Cardinals Signing Yankee Free Agents
I work in NYC, and our store is hosting a charity event next week. I was asked to help out with some of the “talent” on hand, and rather than work with Joy Bayhart, I chose someone else…
“7:30 pm – 9:30 pm | Meet former New York Yankees player Tino Martinez who will sign copies of the new Official Major League Baseball World Series® Film Collection, complimentary with any $500 purchase in the Men’s Store.”
What should I ask Mr. Martinez on behalf of Cardinal Nation?
Looking for suggestions
by ras9929 on Nov 6, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i sometimes forget that Tino was even a Cardinal
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just say that to him.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just boo him the whole time.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a t-shirt!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask him where he hides all the
money he stole from Bill DeWitt….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, yes, a million times yes. . .
Damon is a high-risk guy. I wouldn’t expect more than 15 HRs in the STL.
One caveat. . . I don’t know that I’d describe his defense as terrible, at least not in the sense that an Adam Dunn or a Chris Duncan’s defense is terrible. It’s bad. . . and trending down, but at least according to UZR stats, he’s in Chase Headley/Jason Bay territory. Granted, “praising” someone by saying he is a better LF than Adam Dunn or Ryan Braun is pretty much the textbook definition of “damning with faint praise”. FWIW, his range last season waas just slightly below average (although it fell off a cliff as compared to the two years before); it’s his arm that really lowers his defensive value.
On the upside, the guy has always been able to get on base.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would Damon accept a 1 yr deal?
Would hate paying for his age 38 season. Is a one year deal even worth giving up the draft pick?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unless Boog can improve his cut-off man skills
I’m not excited about having a noodle arm in LF.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think I'd rather call up Jimmy Edmonds and see if he want one last (cheapo) hurrah
than bother with signing expensive Johnny Damon.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Jimmy Ballgame.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SBN'd!
Subject line fail. It was supposed to read
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
Apparently if you put a word in the “greater than” and "less than characters (<) and (>), the word fails to appear.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HTML reads it as a tag
That’s why
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder what other html tags it reads now
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the mods can read the tagged message I put into my response to IHB
(it was a joke, btw)
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Thanks. Won’t make that mistake again. In other news, I still miss Jim Edmonds. (Sigh)
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The mind of SBN is a mystery to us mortals
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Say, there's an idea!
At the very least it would take the heat off McGwire…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's too many dingers for one team to handle.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DINGERZZZZZ
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even jokingly
it’s not worth it
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mickey Mouse has a sad
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this would be awesome
ray lankford 2004 all over again, only hopefully without getting dumped on the postseason roster in favor of marlon anderson.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying he got Marquis'd?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it?
Nobody really wants his career to end in a Cubs uniform, do they?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of
what’s up with So Taguchi
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope he ends up a judge on Iron Chef someday
He can get some ideas for the restaurant while he’s at it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be spectacular.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss So sometimes
One good hitter in the clutch. Taguchi-san!
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there are no highlights of his San Francisco stint
even if it was with the cubbies. I think he doubled off Zito.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Ryan Braun pretty good in LF?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s about due for a down year at the plate
????
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Garland (unless he's on a 2008 Kyle Lohse deal)/Putz (replacement level talent) are people I absolutely do not want.
Damon would be nice, but he’s a type A who made a lot of money the last few years.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon certainly wouldn't hurt
but I don’t think he makes that much of an upgrade in the outfield. I’d take Cameron over Damon (and Matt Holliday over both).
The Cardinals really need Rasmus to take a big step forward offensively. Hopefully, whoever is filling his head with hacktastic nonsense shuts up.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Nov 6, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shut up, Boog...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron would also be around the same or better than Damon, costs no draft picks, and would likely come cheaper.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MIKE CAMERON
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how much of this is just money burning
A hole in our pockets? Just because the budget could include an extra $10m doesn’t mean it has to be spent. If there’s not a player that clearly makes us better, don’t spend (and don’t waste a pick). Wait till midseason and see who wants to dump salary.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Do they charge the mound in Korea when they're HBP?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 6, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I remember that from earlier in the season
still some funny shit
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Explanation please
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 6, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it's blocked here at work.
Spoiler please.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really impossible to explain.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the batter charged the mound
then stopped and started doing a chicken leg type of hopping around on one leg kind of dance. The pitcher did the same thing, the dououts emptied, and the whole damn field was filled with baseball players doing some funky dance type thing instead of half-assed fighting. Rather impressive it was.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the VEB tradition of transcription lives!
thank you for keeping the service alive.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
google korean HBP, it shows up on lots of sites.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and it's beyond fucked up...i've been googling to see WHY they do it.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you find anything?
It is so hilarious. I laugh so hard I cry pretty much every time I watch it.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, i can only get the same video to come up
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well that sucks
I say we have those actors taken out and killed for leading to this kind of disappointment..
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit.
I’m so disappointed.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's disappointing.
I still think we should start this in American baseball. Except now Boog can start it. I bet he’d do it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you expect that it wasn't?
For one thing, the pitcher hit him with an Eephus
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always assumed it was partially an act
since the hitter and pitcher start at exactly the same time. But I was really hoping it was actual baseball players and they had some crazy reason for deciding to do that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll post this
The mods can take it down if this is one of those GIF-free threads.
by mojowo11 on Nov 6, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though I know it isn't real
Its still SOOO funny.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
made me chuckle
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what the helllllllllllllllllllllllllllll?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 7, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
This needs to happen in American baseball. Shin Soo Choo, get it done.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it'd blow out what's left of Godzirra's knees
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was arguing with a poster the other night about Beltre, but....
I’m begining to warm up to it. Sign Beltre for 3/$26mil w/ club option, sign DeRosa for 2/$12 mil with club option, sign Nady to 1 year/$4mil w/ incentives to make it $7mil (extend him if he appears healthy in 2010), sign Smoltz to a 1 year deal at $3 mil w/ incentives, and take a stab at a lottery ticket starter like Duchscherer. Trade Lugo for LH utility bat (Teahen would have worked here).
Schumaker
Nady
Pujols
Ludwick
Beltre
Rasmus
Molina
Pitcher
Ryan
DeRosa as utility guy off bench will get a lot of play time
by stxcardsfan on Nov 6, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love rosterbation season
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, not really
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 7, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa as utility guy off the bench
at regular starter’s wages should get that play time for someone else. Expensive utility guys are a Really Bad Idea.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he just had another kid, didn't he?
unlikely to take a pay cut. rats.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dero
will probably want more than $6MM per
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs
that’s all I’mma say
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I understand Beltre can play defense
I don’t get the “really, he’ll start hitting – let’s bat him 5th” idea.
by sdrone on Nov 6, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre has had one truly awful half season. . .
which just happens to be the half season before he took a one-hopper off the gonads.
Before that, however, he put up very respectable numbers as a right-handed power hitter in perhaps the toughest park for right-handed power hitters in the majors.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 6, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, in my ming I think that Beltre is logically a very good buy-low candidate
Coming from the AL to the NL, better home stadium, coming off an unusually bad year, good defense, all that. But I am still a little scared by him and I can’t pin down exactly why.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"in my mind" , not "in my ming"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Albert! It's you!
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'ng nod an Albert Pujols
I’ng juss mattybobo.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i thought you were speaking Pujols
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I should have said...
Damn my honesty.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in your ming?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those eyes are friggin intense...
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the famous Car-pehng-tar dragon.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looks more Lugo to me
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
check out the claws -- he would throw a wicked split-finger.
resign smoltz and make him the dragon’s personal pitching coach.
car-pehng-tar dragon for closer!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*is still googling Stone Glove*
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's pronounced with a long i
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really more of a tang dynasty fan myself.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But my favorite emperor is of course, Wang Mang
And no, I did not make that up.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is my kind of tang
Really, the only bad part of bacon is that it makes you thirsty . . . for more bacon
by jacksonian on Nov 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/resists urge to make inappropriate comment
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it does not come in dried plum flavor.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pootie tang?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let me guess, the first word you're thinking of
starts with p and ends with n
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Conan O'Brien's favorite movie title ever.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did they wing gangs?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jes, jes they did
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
none of those players are going to sign that cheaply
Smoltz will sign for LESS than he did after proving his health in 2009? Really?
Adrian Beltre will take a 50% paycut, really?
DeRosa will take a paycut after a couple of the best seasons in his career (even with the surgery)?
I think Beltre will want 10-12m/yr, minimum. DeRosa will want going on $10m, Smoltz’s minimum will be 5-8m with added incentives. I Duchscherer but he’ll be another near-$10m player I would guess. Nady might actually sign for the amount you said.
These players would probably cost upwards of $40m and we don’t have anywhere near that amount to spend, plus, none of them are real superstars. If we’ve got $40m to blow on players, I’d rather just go get Lackey and Holliday and go big (TWSS).
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its a real shame that Vlad Guererro..
is too banged up to play the outfield anymore. I’d love to see him hit behind Pujols. He’d probable come relatively cheap compared to Hollliday or Bay without the 5-7 year commitment.
Chad Tracy is a guy that I’d like to see the Cards take a look at for the “Speizio/Derosa” role. Allen Craig might be a cheaper alternative though, if he can hit and play something at least resembling defense.
It’d be neat to have Jose Molina for just a season, though I think I still prefer ol’ Pornstache.
Duke, Sheets, or Smoltz would be “okay” pickups for the rotation. I don’t trust any of them health-wise, but if we are hit with injuries we still have Boggs and Jaime to fill in. Though, Jaime also seems a bit injury-prone. I say go big. and buy “big” I mean make a trade. Try to lure Vazquez away from Atlanta. Something like that anyway.
I’m not sure why everyone is so high on Xavier Nady. He’s only played over 130 games once in his career, and played only 7 games last year.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time making myself believe Craig is as awful a defender as some people assume
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he can't be worse than chris duncan...
oh wait…I hear Tony upchucking some salad….nevermind, forget I said it.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the word on Sheets health wise. I know he was training with the Rangers,
but is he expected to be active in sprint training
by ADMDrayson on Nov 6, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'd imagine he has to be close to being ready...
haven’t heard anything though
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this was in a thread the other day
but since it probably isn’t being visited very often I will post the link here: LINKY
Yes, there have been British players in MLB since the days of Danny Cox. It looks like Phil Stockman was the last one (whoever the hell he was), or Lance Painter if you prefer someone who actually stuck.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh, thank you
I was just looking at that thread and got to wonderin’ again.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
someone was born in the Atlantic Ocean...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy stuff
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Nov 6, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
if you look under “Unknown”, there’s an “Unknown Franklin” listed.
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 6, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"unknown franklins" would be a kickass band name.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's all the same beard, they could be anyone
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could do kind of a KISS thing...
except instead of different makeup, they wear different crazy beards.
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 6, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they call that ZZ Top
or our bullpen
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
very nicely played
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 6, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the cheap
sunglasses.
YEEEAAAHHHHH—
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9WTlP08LEg
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Degüello" is such a badass album.
Cheap Sunglasses
I Thank You
I’m Bad, I’m Nationwide
Dust My Broom
…LOVE it
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Nov 6, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
La Grange gets turned up whenever it comes on
I had forgotten that ZZ Top covered “I Thank You.” Sam and Dave did it so well, though—hard to top that.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 6, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The world needs more horn bands
No one can convince me otherwise
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
take a look at those collars… allow me to say hell yeah
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine if you popped those?!
Ultimate douchebaggery.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Nov 6, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love their pants with waistbands that hit mid-ribcage
the antithesis of low-rise
that style is firmly anchored in 1965 or whenever that was
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 6, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love me some brass and sax.
…also ass and sex.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...they do all go together, usually
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 6, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sax and violins?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am worried about scoring runs in 2010
that is all
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am worried as well
but my worry is based more on I always worry after APu has surgery. Otherwise I am no more worried than I was for most of this season. I think Mo will figure some shit out.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed...
2006: Scored 781 runs, Allowed 762 runs
2007: Scored 725 runs, Allowed 829 runs
2008: Scored 779 runs, Allowed 725 runs
2009: Scored 730 runs, Allowed 640 runs
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This frightens me
especially if we do not sign Holliday. Can Ludwick be counted on for a bounce back season? Can Boog continue to improve or at least repeat his 08 season? Personally, I dont think so. So signing Derosa to play 3rd and putting Freese or Craig in LF will not be enough, IMO. Oh Matt Holliday, why are you going to tease us?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
back in the old days
2000: Scored 887 runs, Allowed 771 runs (1st)
2001: Scored 814 runs, Allowed 684 runs (2nd)
2002: Scored 787 runs, Allowed 648 runs (1st)
2003: Scored 876 runs, Allowed 796 runs (3rd)
2004: Scored 855 runs, Allowed 659 runs (1st)
2005: Scored 805 runs, Allowed 634 runs (1st)
so this year it looks like they pitched like it was 2005 … except the offense came 75 runs short.
now I wonder what our LOB stat for the year is….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always think of 2004 as being our offensive high point
But those 2000 and 2003 teams could really rake
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the 2003 team that gets me.
We scored that many runs?
Just think if we had just some pitching.
by Harknights on Nov 6, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BRETT TOMKO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Jeff "Fantabulous" Fassero
You knew the game was finished if he made an appearance…it was an added bonus if Wilson Delgado had a clutch groundout or K…its like he was AnKiel without the power…or fielding…or speed.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 7, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just think 2000
Was half a year of Mac.
by Harknights on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From baseball almanac (and worldwide pants)
TOP TEN
Baseball Euphemisms For Sex
by David Letterman ©
September 20, 2001
# Reason
10.
Working the rosin bag.
9.
Comebacker.
8.
Charging the mound.
7.
Riding the pine.
6.
Jerking one into the seats.
5.
Coming from behind.
4.
Doubleheader.
3.
Going deep in the hole.
2.
The big unit.
1.
Visiting Busch Stadium.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Nov 6, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
0. Jacking a Dong
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i may get banned for this one
working the count
by _pistol_ on Nov 6, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm probably NexDef'd
But Strasburg sat at 96-101 in his most recent AFL start. He averaged 98.5 on his fastball in five innings (Brooksbaseball’s algorithm was including his changeup(?) in the FB average which was coming in at 89-92). For reference, Broxton had the highest average FB in the majors as a reliever, and he averaged 97.5. Ubaldo Jimenez was the fastest starter at 96.0. He was averaging 2.5 MPH faster than the hardest throwing pitcher in the bigs! AFL PITCHf/x has not been hot.
He then pairs that with what appears to be something similar to Marmol’s slurve at 82-85.
He threw the changeup 8 times, got 5 swinging strikes, a foul ball, a groundball and one ball.
Holy shit.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he ever gets an above average breaking ball
that he can throw for strikes and in the dirt as an out pitch, he’ll be next to unhittable. I don’t think it’s there yet, but a little professional instruction probably isn’t going to hurt any.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he already has it actually
From what I’ve seen on video, his slider/powercurve thing is filthy by itself. The PITCHf/x on it kind of confirms that: 83.6 MPH, -4.6 z-axis, 5.68 x-axis. That’s very similar to Marmol’s thing which is obviously pretty dirty.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've seen though
he isn’t able to locate it very well, and his arm action looks different when he throws it. I would think that hitters would be able to pick this up and lay off of it if he can’t throw it for strikes.
FWIW, I don’t think that Marmol’s “thing” would be all that effective either if he were a starting pitcher like Strasburg is.
Still, it’s going to be hard to catch up to a 98 mph fastball….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen him enough to say either way on the slider command
But I disagree on Marmol’s slider as a starter. It’d be just fine, he just couldn’t throw it 50% of the time or whatever. He’s a reliever because he has no FB command and no third pitch but his slider would be dirty in any situation if he had the other attributes of a starter. Strasburg definitely has fastball command from all the scouting reports and he’s throwing a changeup for success in a hitter’s league.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but I think Marmol’s success is predicated on the fact that he can throw it half the time. It would still be a dirty pitch, but since he can’t locate it, guys would just lay off of it hoping for something better to hit.
Strasburg’s change may be his saving grace. It gives him a secondary pitch that he can use against lefties and also gives him something to differentiate the fastball with.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well right
Marmol has no command so he can only get by because he can throw his slider 50% of the time. But his slider itself is good stand alone, and the reason Marmol can’t be a starter isn’t because of his slider—-it’s lack of command/third pitch.
Upgrade say Ubaldo Jimenez with Marmol’s slider……Jimenez would be better.
Giving Ubaldo Jimenez + 2.5 MPH with something like Marmol’s slider=yikes.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Giving Ubaldo Jimenez + 2.5 MPH + some semblance of an idea where the hell the ball is going with something like Marmol’s slider=yikes.
Seems like Jimenez could be dominant if he could just consistently throw strikes.
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by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimenez is already pretty darn good
130 ERA+ and Statcorner tRA had him at 5.8 WAR.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Jimenez, is it just me or does it not look like he's throwing all that fast?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but imagine if his BB/9 went down to around 2, which would probably push his K/BB up to around 4:1. Look at the jump that he made from last year by just dropping his walks from 103 to 85. He allowed fewer hits too, but if his walks went down to 2 per 9 he’d have a WHIP in the 1.05-1.10 range, like Carp does.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahah
Brewers trade Hardy for Carlos Gomez.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Was about to post this
This likely means that Carlos Gomez is taking over in CF.
For you Cameron lovers out there, that means he’s probably going to walk.
by mojowo11 on Nov 6, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's definitely going to walk
And the Brewers traded a better player for a worse one.
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by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha brewers could have just signed willy taveras, i think he will be available
tho obviously they are hoping gomez develops
by FunkeeC on Nov 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they did
As you so eloquently put it: “Hahahahah.”
by mojowo11 on Nov 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
J.J. was done in Milwaukee
I think they were trying to take whatever they could get for him. They kept him in AAA last year just to extend his free agency to make him trade able.
by Evilfrog on Nov 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but Carlos Gomez????
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he a really, really good CFer, though?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And a .286 wOBA
If he’s a +15 run defender, he’s like a 1.5 WAR player.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy isn't exactly Rod Carew, either
I think Minn got the better deal, but don’t see this as terribly lopsided as some of you guys do.
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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted Gomez is pre-arb
But Hardy in a disaster of a season outperformed Gomez, and has the potential for 4+ WAR seasons as he did in 07/08.
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by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what the SBN!?!
Hardy’s comps… no idea why the first lis went twice.
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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy's upside, which has been displayed, is elite shortstop level
Carlos Gomez’s upside might be…well, low-OBP, good speed, good average. So, like, Juan Pierre or maybe a little better.
by mojowo11 on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cost savings between Cameron and Hardy
is now 15 million give or take a million. Are they a player for Lackey?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doh! You are so right!
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Thompson, Brewers fifth starter!
by mojowo11 on Nov 6, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Thompson, Brewers -fifth- second starter!
Brad Thompson, Brewersfifthsecond starter!
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by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha
@d_a_cameron @harrypav Trading for Gomez is like trading for a pitcher. He prevents runs but doesn’t create any.
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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Fucking Shit
Does that mean we could have traded John Jay for JJ Hardy?
What a horrible trade for the Brewers. How many speedy, no OBP guys do you need on one team? They now have three of them by my count — Escobar, Gomez, and Weeks.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with Braun and Fielder batting...
Could be a lot of runs if they figure out how to take a walk.
by Evilfrog on Nov 6, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
unless they’re trying to put together a great defensive team. Which would be interesting to watch.
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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's possible
with Braun in LF and McGeehee the incumbent at 3B. Hart and Gomez are pretty good defenders and Fielder was surprisingly good this year, but I’m not sure how long he’s going to be able to keep that up.
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by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Without looking any numbers up, doesn't Weeks kinda suck, too?
by mojowo11 on Nov 6, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always kinda thought that was because
Fielder was such a shitty first baseman…..now I kinda think it’s the opposite.
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by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
does this mean we can now trade jon jay to the twins for a reliever? seems like he might have some value
out there. gomez was putting up shane robinson numbers there.
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by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This means Cliff Lee will see Gomez again.
I hope Gomez bunts.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets or Harden, Valverde, and Cameron plz
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Houston will offer Valverde arbitration. He is a Type A free agent.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the time of year of great suspense
but it has only just started
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Cards cant resign Holliday
What about Jermaine Dye on a hopefully 1 or 2 yr contract? Slumped terribly over final 2 months but still had 250/.340/.453 slash lines. Can he play LF?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine Dye is very bad at defense and not great at offense.
Chris Duncan is already available.
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by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and we know what it's like to have C Dunc
rather ugly…
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by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If playing LF
is akin to erecting a scarecrow with a glove attached to it, then yes.
He’s a pretty awful outfielder and his bat seems to be getting worse every year.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot attest to his D
but, Jermaine’s 1st 4 month OPS+ in 09 were as as follows: 128, 136, 172, 108. His last 3 months were 97, 42, 60. This screams injury or something else to me. He was having a pretty good year before the 2 month slump.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Duncan’s OPS+ by month: 173, 96, 77. -12
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
chris duncan has a titanium washer in his neck.
this screams injury to me.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm.
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 6, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
but he did the same think in 2008, and had a great second half in 2007 after coming off of an injury in the first half of the season.
Seems to me that he’s incapable of playing a full season, be it because of injury or just getting worn down. Someone should sign him to be a DH, the White Sox might do just that, but he’s certainly not a fit for LF with his horrendous defense.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think his D could be much better for the Cardinals
Most of his horrible UZR numbers is the result of his poor range. If Colby covers ground like he did for Duncan I bet he would 7 to 10 runs better on D.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
except duncan wasn't 7-10 runs better playing next to rasmus.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His UZR numbers should of been sooo much worst than they really were
He had the lowest RF per 9 in baseball for LFers. But his UZR numbers were not that bad. So he had little range but the balls were still being got. That is also why Colby’s numbers were so high for UZR. He was covering for Duncan. I bet Colby was a below average CF that Duncan’s numbers would of been 10 runs worst on D.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I severely doubt it
There just aren’t that many balls hit in the zone where a normal LFer would get it (and Duncan couldn’t) and Rasmus would have a chance in hell at getting there.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets compare the numbers
Duncan’s – RF/9 was 1.5 in 507 innings for a UZR of -1.8 RngR
Dye – RF/9 was 2.0 in 1120 innings for a UZR of -15.3 RngR
Now if Duncan played the same amount of innings as Dye it would work out to -3.97 RngR
So even though Duncan has worst range his range UZR Numbers are 11 runs betters.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Range Factor is incredibly dependent on how many balls are hit out there to begin with
There’s way, way too much noise in RF to make anything out of it.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Dye's RF/9 has been around 2.0 for over 5 years now
Enough sample size there. Duncan’s took a drop from 2.0 to 1.5 this year. But I think injury affected his range and that is why his RF/9 dropped so heavily. Watching him play confirmed this for me.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do the White Sox employ flyball pitchers?
That would affect his RF.
How many balls could possibly be hit into the LF gap that Rasmus “stole” from a normal LFer but also that Duncan couldn’t get? It’s not a very big zone.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't want him on the team for the off chance
they’d show a replay of his injury… No one needs to see that again.
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by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
range factor does not correspond well with fielding skill.
check out the list of best fielders by range — some aging fielders with poor range appear at the top.
do you think, for instance, that colby rasmus has the same range as vernon wells? because that’s what RF says. or that chris young has better range than carl crawford?
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by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I think RngR UZR doesn't always work right
Because it is based on zones and doesn’t factor in positioning. That is more the bigger point I am trying to make. When made assumptions of players our based upon their UZR numbers. You need to look at the whole OF.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so Boog is screwing everything up again?
by being good?
typical.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
f'in boog.
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by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is Why The MooCow Says...
…trade for Carl Crawford!
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The cow finally makes sense!
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by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Always Make Sense!
But sometimes my hay gets fermented and I get a bit tipsy…
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by The MooCow on Nov 6, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
e'erybody in the barn gettin tipsy!
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by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I had managed to forget that song existed, until now.
Thanks tom s.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a fallacy
Holliday didn’t look any better playing next to Rasmus, and Ludwick didn’t look any better in 2009 with Rasmus out there than in 2008 with Ankiel, Skip, and Mather playing CF.
UZR doesn’t factor in positioning, so how can this statement even be true? Could we play Dye 5 steps from the LF line all the time and let Rasmus cover the gap? I don’t think so.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR is made up of zones
So if certain zones are made up for a LF but a CFer is covering them. It makes them both look better. It doesn’t negatively affect the LFer while positively helping the CFer. For that exact reason that they don’t factor in positioning.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
So if certain zones are made up for a LF but a CFer is covering them. It makes them both look better. It doesn’t negatively affect the LFer while positively helping the CFer. For that exact reason that they don’t factor in positioning.
With the way that these are factored, it very well might. The thing is, you can’t state that one great defender helps the UZR of a lesser defender in an adjacent position, because there’s no positioning factor involved. You would have to know where the LF and CF were positioned in order to make that judgement.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR would have made a baseball fan out of Freud.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 6, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Us Cellular was the 4th best hitters park in baseball in 2009
by ICbirdfan on Nov 6, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He would be moving from RF to LF which should ease the scarecrow with a glove attached
label he has.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most studies have shown
LF=RF in terms of range and stuff like that. The only difference is the arm stuff.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn facts getting in the way again.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are inconvenient most of the time
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by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that poor range in RF...
would have just much impact on increasing the likelihood of a triple (if not more) than a poor arm.
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by cardzfanbub on Nov 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he hit LHP well in 09 - OPS+ 132
and for his career 112
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dye that is.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Allen Craig can be expected to perform pretty well vs. LHP if that's all we're looking for.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the good news is that, unless holliday signs, we will almost certainly FREE ALLEN CRAIG.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What we should do this offseason
1. Trade Thurston to Anaheim for Abreu. I know the extension they just gave him was a prequel to a Cardinals trade for him.
2. Re-sign Troy Glaus to a 2 year, league minimum deal
3. Re-sign John Smoltz and name him closer
4. Trade for Derek Jeter just for the clubhouse presence. Like, never play him, just let him hang around the clubhouse and make better chemistry.
5. Exhume Babe Ruth, bring him back to life, and let him be our big hitter off the bench.
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
if you are going to just copy something
You could of at least given your
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Rec'd.
- is somewhat plausible.
Also, first rec I’ve given out since redesign. Recs are stars now?
Now with extra feisty!
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And they're on the left now when you click actions! Booo!
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can we flag the flags?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking as someone who has accidentally flagged at least a couple of posts,
i wish the flags were harder to click on accidentally.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first couple of times I tried to rec something yesterday, I accidentally brought up the flag menu
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan. number 3 is somewhat plausible.
SBN’d.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And that should've said DANG!
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like Dang McLaughlin?
Or Dang Rather? Or Dangiel Day Louis?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or...
DangUp?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
by cardzfanbub on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were inform DanUp that #3 was plausible.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that little bug may be worse than the "oh no you used two dashes now your whole post is crossed out" phenomenon.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love textile
but it hates people who make their own em-dashes.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone who likes to use em-dashes I find this frustrating.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what I would do if I didn't have em-dashes
except maybe overuse a different punctuation mark instead.
Ever since textile got relatively popular I’ve switched entirely to option-shift-hyphen for all my em-dashing needs. I think the windows combination is alt+0151—I had to memorize it, too, for when I’m blogging on unfamiliar machines.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm...
4. Trade for Derek Jeter just for the clubhouse presence. Like, never play him, just let him hang around the clubhouse and make better chemistry.
Why not just get cardboard cutouts of Jeter’s current and ex-girlfriends and then remove a piece of clothing for every win that we get? I feel like that is going to help with chemistry just as much and is a lot cheaper. It also worked for a bunch of average players in Major League.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How about A-rod's current girlfriend as well.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
from bgh
What would Jeter do?
Jeter at SS: "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
Carpenter: "Shut up. I’m dominating opposing batters here."
Jeter: "But, I’m Derek Jeter."
Carpenter: "What? Do you think I can’t read a tabloid? I don’t care. I don’t allow my shortstops to be Mr. Social out on the field. Not even ADHD case study Brendan Ryan and have you seen his UZR? I mean, he makes you look like a statue by comparison."
Jeter: "But, I’m Derek Jeter, Mr. Yankee, great teammate, Mr. Intangibles, Mr. November…"
Carpenter: "You’re going to be Mr. Samsonsite if you don’t shut the %$@# up."
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I had to rec that,
but I guess the rec really belongs to bgh.
by cardsgirl95 on Nov 6, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that links to his comment
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the whole thread is gold
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BRILLIANT
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now there's a manager who knew how to motivate his players AND wear a fine mustache
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need more staches in the game...
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Voice too.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah...I can't get on there either.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So I think I am coming back to the conclusion
That maybe we should trade for Milton Bradley. The LF FA market is weak.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm down
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm down provided we install a giant out counter in the left field area...
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure
they’re all over the stadium. wrigley too. so we’ll have to work something out there
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh MAN
Colby can’t communicate yet!
This is doomed.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PA announcements
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to be bigger...
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
More than happy to have him hit 2nd and walk all day in front of Pujols. Should be cheaper now that he had a down year and is walking, talking cancer.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alrighty then
What kind of package are we willing to give up? I assume if we are trading for MB, we won’t need to sign Holliday. So we have the ability to take on his full salary. Therefore, our offer in players shouldn’t need to be as steep. I’d start with an offer of Hamilton, Jay, and Salas. If they want MLers, then it gets more complicated
Really, the only bad part of bacon is that it makes you thirsty . . . for more bacon
by jacksonian on Nov 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we would have to give them that much
Just trade them DeRosa.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahahaha.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. sign derosa to long, expensive contract
2. trade derosa to cubs for milton bradley
3. ??? profit!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give them Jay
straight up, and eat his whole salary. They want him out of town so badly they might actually do it.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it'd be...
a bad contract for a bad contract. We don’t really have any of those (except for Lohse, arguably) so I don’t think we could get him. The Cubs probably don’t want to deal with us anyway.
I wonder if we could agree to not offer DeRosa arbitration in return for Bradley…
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a Type B
So it is not like they would be giving us anything for him
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh that's right...
that dude at mlbtraderumors made a mistake with his projection and now I have it in my head that he’s an A.
The Cubs aren’t trading with us anyway. Boston doesn’t trade with NY, SF doesn’t trade with LA, NYM don’t trade with the Phillies, etc…
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 6, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe the Cardinals will make massive moves via trade
should Holliday not return. They will look to add offense by giving up Ludwick, relief pitching and an upper level prospect…that’d be my guess.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who do they target with a package like that though?
You’d have to get back a pretty damn good 3B or OF bat in order to give up Ludwick and not wash out the gain. I’m just not sure there are any guys like that out there that are available, and I’d rather risk Ludwick having a better year in 2010 vs. betting on another player doing the same minus a relief pitcher and a minor league prospect.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cuddyer?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's good enough to merit trading Ludwick + prospects.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what about straight-up?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i will pass on a horrible fielder coming off a career year w/ the bat
i would guess that luddy will find middle ground that will at least be similar to cuddyer w/ the bat and be worlds better w/ the glove
by FunkeeC on Nov 6, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't know cuddyer
was a horrible fielder. and you really wouldn’t do that deal? i was negotiating…was just about to pay lud’s salary for next year, too, to get the twins attention.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as posted above he is not really an upgrade from ludwick
so lets agree to shop elsewhere =]
by FunkeeC on Nov 6, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, you posted it above
i respect your opinion, but have my own, so let’s agree to that.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well lets take a look
WAR for 2009 per fangraphs
Cuddyer 2.0
Ludwick 1.8
Even if you assume that Ludwick will hit like he did in 2009 going forward. He is so much better fielding that even this years very good year by Cuddyer’s bat only made them even. Do you think that at age 30+ that Cuddyer’s fielding will improve or that he will become a .380+ wOBA batter to make him more valuable than Ludwick going forward?
by FunkeeC on Nov 6, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is this the same Cuddyer playing on the fast surface of ye curséd Metrodome?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha nice use of accent marks
and that would be he of which we are speaking
by FunkeeC on Nov 6, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
those WAR numbers
certainly surprised me, so I went to fangraphs and can only conclude that UZR must drag cuddyer down – does that factor into WAR? UZR may not like cuddyer, but he is a solid RF.
nonetheless, i think this began as a discussion of upgrading the offense, and cuddyer has been a good hitter for some time. And he is a year younger than luddy.
that said, you have convinced me to retract my offer to pay luddy’s salary. i would still trade straight-up, even throw in jay, and if minny wanted to save some dollars they just might do it, and that would be the only reason for them to do it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, UZR disagrees with your conclusion, therefore UZR must be wrong.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
but, hey, i’m just trying to grasp UZR
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 6, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR isn't 100% reliable, but you can't just throw it out because it doesn't agree with you.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 7, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't throw it out
without first understanding it thoroughly.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 7, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that it would be a 3B or an OF'er
this team needs a bit of an overhaul. I haven’t really looked at who or what is availible but trading for an Uggla or other offensive minded 2B in hopes of upgrading there might be an option.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 6, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's the timeline on Holliday?
will Boras drop the hammer too late for us to move?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees get the key to the city
Does that mean that they now have to pony up money for their own stadium?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Yankee stadium was privately funded
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope - financed by the taxpayers.
hip hip…jorge
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the tax revenue generated by the yankees far exceeds
what the price of yankee stadium is.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the yankees could have financed the stadium w/out public help
or at least took on some of the burden.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why? If I was the owner I'd be pretty pissed off
I have to give half of what I earn away and totally expect something back.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that paying taxes.
I give half of what i make away too. whats the difference?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
If their tax burden exceeds the price of Yankee Stadium, as you say, they could essentially not pay taxes for years on the payments to the debt on the stadium, and it would be a far better deal for the taxpayers, who could spend that $947M on something that people outside the top 10% of taxpayers can actually enjoy.
There wasn’t anything wrong with their old stadium, the new one provides the club more revenue and allowed them to raise ticket prices — how is that good for the taxpayer who funded the stadium and now can’t go to the games?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why do you hate baseball?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fourstick = Adam Dunn?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm just glad I don't live in New York state.
Currently, I’d be financing FIVE NEW STADIUMS (2 baseball, 2 football, and one NBA arena), yet I will probably get to enjoy ONE of those per season with the cost of tickets.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
last I heard... sorry. *federal* handouts
you’re paying for Yankee Stadium too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in what way
did any bailout money fund yankee stadium?
citi field on the other hand….
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep seeing articles mentioning it
and then they list no details….. so….
I would like to know the answer as well, technically.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they kept the banks that had the money solvent?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
more like feral handouts
amirite?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 6, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
feral always makes me think of Fallout 3
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
#1 game on my wishlist
Just how good is that game, anyway?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 6, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the game was pretty awesome
High replay value. As soon it was over I wanted to play again. Just so many optional quests. Different ways to level up your characters. You can be a good person or an evil person to affect your Karma rating. Feral reminds of feral zombies. You could get a feral zombie mask by killing everyone in a hotel. If you wore it no zombies would attack you but you would have an evil karma rating.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fallout 3 is all over craigslist for cheap
great game, awesome story, and some crazy weapons
by from First to Third on Nov 6, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Hate the Yahnkees!!!!!
:=8O
Oh, and also Jason Marquis!!!!!!!
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 6, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The truth is
The public always gets screwed over on building stadiums, and owners who privately fund their stadiums usually end up winning in the end. Look at the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins — much of their franchise value has been derived off of them owning their own stadia.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's only important
if the Steinbrenners plan on selling the team. In the meantime, the stadium will generally depreciate. and in 20 years the added value that stadium provides, relative to the loan principle might not be that appealing. I don’t blame them for letting the city assume the costs and risk.
by _pistol_ on Nov 6, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I don’t blame them for letting the city assume the costs and risk.
The last stadium they had lasted 70+ years with 2 renovations. Trump Tower hasn’t “depreciated” enough to make it a non-valuable asset and it gets less revenue per season than Yankee Stadium does.
I don’t blame them either, I blame the city and state for letting it happen.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it;s not really the yankees job to
look out for joe taxpayer, is it?. Isn’t it safe to assume they made a biz decisions and took the best deal available? It’s the fault of the public officials who offered them the deal.
by _pistol_ on Nov 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, seeing as how the luxury seats were bare until they slashed prices,
I’d say they ought to consider Joe Taxpayer a little bit.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Taxpayer is a douche...
Everyone knows Stan Taxpayer is way better.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
they failed to weight that part in their decision. as welll as the bad pub they received.
by _pistol_ on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the WS win should make up for all that nonsense!
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need moar rings
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I fully agree...
much the same point I made for the hockey lockout… if my boss wants to grossly overpay me, why is it my problem if he can’t float the check… if a city wants to give me a bunch of money to build something I’d be crazy not to take it.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
And I don’t believe that it’s even close.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I wish I could remember this study I read. But it pretty much stats at its conclusions. That taxpayers never got their money back form publicly funded stadiums.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But can you really put a price on a smile...
cities excluded Seattle, San Diego, San Francisco, Houston, …
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...you don't think that a team worth 1.5 billion
isn’t going to be worth more than less than a billion to NYC in the life cycle of yankee stadium?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're not accounting for the tidal wave hurricane asteroid strike in 2012.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whether the revenue ever matches the outlay is sort of besides the point
The point is that much of the debt capacity of the city was used on the stadium, and not for other purposes.
Put another way, why should the Yankees get public financing instead of XYZ company? XYZ company makes huge profits and has a giant tax bill every year, yet gets no government aid. Or instead of XYZ Co., maybe Public Service Project A. You get the idea.
The conventional argument is that the new Yankee stadium will generate outsized incremental tax revenue from tourism and the like, but numerous studies have debunked that. Sure, attendance will increase for a few years, maybe, solely because of the stadium. But the largest benefactors of the new stadium are the owners, not the city.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how is the city turning a profit due to an investment besides the point?
actually I think that’s 100% the point.
I think the only argument that can be made is if the city will lose money on this.
I think saying that “if the city invested in XYZ instead of the yanks = 4. profit” is a pretty big straw man.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I wasn't clear in my wording
The use of the city’s funds for a stadium is pretty obviously not the most optimal use of it from a profit standpoint. The move cannot be justified simply because the funding eventually turned a profit; the opportunity cost of tying up that funding must be considered as well.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
translation:
maybe they could have made more money doing something else.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/Polonius
This business is well ended.
My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day and time.
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief: your noble son is mad:
Mad call I it; for, to define true madness,
What is’t but to be nothing else but mad?
But let that go.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MOAR mattur, less art.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Polonius kind of begging the question?
Definition of madness —> when you are not not mad.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just checked "begging the question" vs. "presumptive reasoning"
and my brain did this:
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Psh, typical Windows
In serious though, I still get these confused. Stupid Polonius.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not even close
$941M in public bonds = not privately financed.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are they naming that bridge after Jeter?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This bridge you speak of
Will it have many cracks in it but look so good that no one will notice?
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Nov 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it may be aging and have potholes but it does the little things right.
also, the leadership by example that it provides to other neighboring bridges is intangible and significant. i personally estimate we would have had no fewer than three bridge collapses just on the east river without the jeter bridge just last year.
/joe morgan the engineer
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
oh, eventually they notice
The procedures for screening contractors on projects financed by the city’s Economic Development Corporation, as the stadium was, are less rigorous than for projects built and paid for by the city.
The Testwell indictment, unsealed last October, charged that the company failed to perform some strength tests and billed clients for work that was never done at the stadium and roughly 100 other projects, including the Freedom Tower. When the charges were announced by the Manhattan district attorney, Robert M. Morgenthau, city officials said the structures were believed to be safe, but might deteriorate sooner than expected.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that looks like the "house ruth built after about 10 beers"
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
tom s. is bringing the thunder today
Two rectastic comments in one thread. Good on ya!
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish we could get something rec'd to 6
just so I can see what the new format does when that happens. Will the green thumb be gone?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
check bgh's comment, which I linked to
that got green.
or danup’s graph
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
nevermind, carry on
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Concrete cracked... holy crap...
oh wait that’s one thing concrete is really good at… but still shouldn’t happen after a year.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
need moar bodies
The company that built the ramps, Interstate Industrial Corporation, was barred from doing city work in 2004 because city investigators concluded it had ties to organized crime, an accusation its owners have vehemently and repeatedly denied.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a civil engineer
I can say that bodies work just as well as rebar… maybe not accurately, but I can say it.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I figured
the volumes might be prohibitive, thankfully.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it looks great
but traffic has serious problems flowing to its left
by DanUpBaby on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
OT....Yadi2s
I enabled your stylish changes today, and I have one question….Does the new comment glowing yellow seem especially bright now, or is it just me?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Have you tried the goggles?
Or do they do nothing?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Bahhhh!"
“My eyes! The goggles they do nothing!”
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 6, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks brighter b/c the white isn't as bright anymore.
Or something.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I checked the color on it
like spants said, it’s an optical illusion with the contrast in color.
I’ve actually adjusted the gray to something that’s less dark. you can find a lot of color pickers to replace the EFEFEF hex code.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I’m rocking F8F7F7 right now.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for reference
the background color (the gray) is C3C3C3
and the comment boxes are F7F6F2
I’m still trying to find the longer CSS code for the div.entries thing, because it’s messing up other blogs and I’m lazy… I’d like to keep it on.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Messing up other SBN blogs?
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, other blogs online
because everyone uses “div.entries”, I wanted to get the longer version of the tag (blah blah blah div.entries) so it would only apply to SBN.
currently it affects the P-D, a gaming blog, Google….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird. I thought it already was site-specific.
For me, P-D looks the same in FF as it does in Iron (Chrome).
When I did mine, I went to “Write new style” and then “for vivaelbirdos.com.”
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm probably doin' it wrong
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys were talking about Squaresoft games instead of Hex color codes I'd be right up in this subthread
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It got quiet all of a sudden
a little too quiet
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
sir, i fail to see what this comment has to do
with the cardinals, sir.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that quiet is just before Carpenter fucks up a batter
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Calm before the suitcase
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you never hear the suitcase that hits you.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
everybody
is looking up brett myers previous years’ stats to see if he is worth a gamble
is say no!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too much of a prick
sign Milton Bradley!!!
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 6, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Cameron's job in jeopardy
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4629260
I don’t know how to make fancy links, but the WWL reports that the Brewers traded J.J. Hardy for Carlos Gomez. Guess the Brew Crew is going to let Cameron go, unless they want to move him to a corner OF spot.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
your new best friend
melvin has already said he has no interest in retaining cameron
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate when people spread runors :-(
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 6, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/resists urge to make yet another inappropriate comment
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
funniest factoid in that article - melvin called mulder's agent BUT HASN'T GOTTEN A CALL BACK.
why would a guy repping a pitcher who makes jeff clement look healthy not return a call from a GM within the hour?
1) too busy smoking crack to return call
2) too busy trying to put mark mulder’s left arm on his body to return call
and that’s all i can come up with.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"it's doug melvin. don't pick up!"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a blueprint if Holliday walks (I think he stays in the NL if he goes):
1. Trade Skip Schumaker, Boggs/Hawksworth/Hamilton, and a prospect for Dan Uggla. Uggla can play second, or move him over to third in case Freese doesn’t work out and give Descalso or Lugo a spin.
2. Sign Dye for 1 + club option and move Ludwick to LF. Bay’s not going anywhere.
3. Kick the tires on Sheets and maybe Harden, but be prepared to sign Garland or Pineiro to eat innings.
Don’t sign Cameron and move him—you’re paying too much for substandard production at a corner spot.
by Tito Landrum Jr. on Nov 6, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
are you REALLY Tito Landrum Jr.?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. two stone gloves?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla in the field
Uggla posted a worse year than Skip in the field last year for real.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+20 million
that’s what I thought
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why move the better RF to LF?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm . . . let's get uggla and dye, but cameron's not worth it. I'm thinking you don't think defense is important?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if we're three and out because we can't hit
We made it through Skip this year, didn’t we? Also, Uggla’s bat could play at third if needed.
Also, you don’t overpay Cameron to play him out of position. It’s not like Bay is tearing up the UZR rankings, either.
I think SF is a possibility for Holliday, especially if they can unload Rowand.
by Tito Landrum Jr. on Nov 6, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as i recall we had some rough pitching performances from both pineiro and carpenter in that series.
does that mean we need to go get some pitchers that are better than chris carpenter? the result of a three game series is not enough to judge a season by.
and there were actually a number of times when defensive miscues clearly cost us runs and games.
the notion that you need a certain pitching contribution and a certain offensive contribution is overblown. our epic august, for instance, was not spurred by great offensive contributions (though there were some) as much as by three pitchers throwing cy young level ball. we won a lot of games 2-1 and 3-2. and that’s okay. a run saved really is as good as a run scored.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting was a problem all year
So your answer is to play Cameron out of position, overpay him, and assume he’ll be a plus defender? Who are you, Jim Hendry? (That would explain why you signed Fukudome.)
The Yankees managed to win with Cano at second and Damon in LF; I don’t think either of them are particularly plus defenders, either.
by Tito Landrum Jr. on Nov 6, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cano had a pretty good year defensively at second, I think.
damon is not a good fielder.
but what you’re saying doesn’t make sense. having one player who has some negative quality doesn’t keep you from winning the world series.
in fact, you could probably argue that one of the biggest change the yankees made the past couple years was to improve on defense. they’ve always been a run-scoring machine. they’ve always had a few ace pitchers. i think one of their major issues in the past six years or so has been bad defense; they ditched some bad defenders or relegated them to a DH role, and they won. i don’t think that’s a coincidence.
In 2005 and 2006, the yankees had great offenses – worth 138.9 and 146.1 runs above average, but crap defenses worth -137 runs and -73.9 runs.That’s right: in 2005, almost all the good offensive performance by the yankees was swallowed up by the bad defense. In 2006, more than half of the good offense was eradicated by bad defense. This year, the offense got a boost (205.9 runs above average) but the defense was basically average (-18.5).
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cano
Cano’s stats: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3269&position=2B#fielding.
A little better than Skip defensively, but not a ton.
My point: if Holliday walks, the Cards can’t just be good defensively. The Cardinals already have strong defense in Rasmus, Molina, and, Pujols, Ludwick, and Ryan. Uggla is more valuable than Schumaker, and the last two World Series champion left fielders are named Damon and Burrell.
by Tito Landrum Jr. on Nov 6, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree the cards need to score more runs, but a lot of these players have pretty limited value either
at all (dye) or over what we have now (uggla). just because somebody hits doesn’t make them valuable.
and please stop citing individual players as evidence that they’re good or that they win world series. so taguchi has two rings. roy halladay has none. until a couple days ago, a-rod hadn’t won one.
hanley ramirez has never won a WS at SS, but david eckstein has won two. I still would much rather have hanley ramirez than david eckstein.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A run earned with a bat
Is just as valuable as a run saved or lost with a glove
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
World Champs:
2009: 205.9 BRAR -18.5 FRAR
2008: 23.9 BRAR 73.5 FRAR
2007: 87.4 BRAR 24.1 FRAR
2006: 8.7 BRAR 14.7 FRAR
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that you can win the World Series with below-average defenders in LF (forgot about Manny). So Taguchi having rings wasn’t the point.
Granted, Uggla’s UZR was not good this year, but he was decent in two previous years. If the coaching staff can coach up Skip, why not Uggla?
If you can pick up Uggla for a reasonable price, would you do it?
by Tito Landrum Jr. on Nov 6, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, you can win the world series with jeff weaver and jeff suppan pitching. that doesn't mean that
pitching isn’t important. it means that the postseason is a small sample size where anybody can play above or below their heads and the ultimate outcome has more to do with luck than skill.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Scott Rolen.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
**sobbing**
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 6, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be a douche.
No one is suggesting we overpay Cameron- indeed, any amount of money would be an overpay for Jermaine Dye since he is below replacement level, while there is no reason to overpay Cameron because he remains an undervalued player with relatively few suitors.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 6, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sign Cameron
I don’t think he’ll get overpaid, just a guess anyway
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm . . . let’s get uggla and dye, but cameron’s not worth it. I’m thinking you don’t think defense is important?
Or, like, hitting. Or being good at baseball.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 7, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you think he will go in the NL?
Mets are essentially out with this whole Madoff thing.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
san francisco? holliday could put a lot of runs in that offense.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As well as in the rest of the NL West's pitching staffs
BA-ZING
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how many runs is a HBP worth again?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i could work a little craig biggio magic in san francisco.
email me sabean!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say your chances are pretty good
I got a look, and all I am good for is the occasional ROE on a past ball after a K
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 6, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mets owners didn't lose money with Madoff
But actually made like a $100M
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 6, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind found it myself
Wilpon may have made money on Madoff, but he probably assumed that the 500M he still had invested or whatever was still an actual asset and planned his finances like that.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but i think the point is not to count them out
cause you know boras will be sending them love letters trying to draw them in. and with the year they had they will be likely to throw money around if its there.
by FunkeeC on Nov 6, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. No.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh please god no
it hurts to think about this defense
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 6, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
lincecum got busted with a bag of pot
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
more like a thimble full...
apparently he likes to travel light.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 6, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
He’s young and in SF he’s like a rock star. No surprise there! ;) Was it on the way to an Avenged Sevenfold concert?
by Matt Bug on Nov 6, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still claim that he
is getting in touch with his inner Mitch from Dazed and Confused… ya know tryin to be cooler…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's only a freshman and he was hanging out with seniors all night.
He’s off to a great start socially.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he can avoid Ben Afleck for the rest of the summer that is.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The Phillies traded for Cliff Lee
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cliff-lee-update.html
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nexdef'd!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They always come in threes
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 6, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are so bad
hahahaa
oh… shit. they put a man on the moon.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aww shucks
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i has a sad.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 6, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
D-Backs finally came to their senses and realized letting him go would be too risky. Good move on their part.