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My Maudlin' Career

I didn't really realise it last week, but just the other day it sort of hit me when I looked at the date: I just celebrated two years of writing for this wonderful site. My very first front page post was on Halloween of 2007, and seeing as how we are now in the glorious month of November in Year of Our Lord 2009, that's two damned years I've been cluttering up the interwebs with my peculiar ramblings. And so, seeing as how I am the sort of person who simply cannot resist nostalgia or making lists of things, I thought I would go back through all the things I've written here at VEB and pick out my favourites. It also doesn't hurt, of course, that very little is actually going on in Cardinal land at this particular moment.

 So I started rolling back through all my past posts, and something began to become apparent as I did: I'm sort of a depressing dude. Most of my stuff I think is really pretty good tends to be of the wistful, sad, and slightly bitter emotive variety. Don't get me wrong; the idea I am a bit of a bummer is not exactly news to me, as people have been telling me that my whole life. However, it was a bit surprising to see the proof staring me so clearly in the face.

Regardless, I am proud to bring you my personal Best Of collection out of sheer arrogance and hubris. (And also maybe a little because I was interested to see if I've gotten any better at this, but mostly the gigantic ego thing.) In reverse chronological order (I think):

And, just for funsies, my first main page story, and the very first diary I ever put up here.

Hopefully you don't find this too very self-indulgent, though I'm certain it probably is.

As for the current news of the day:

I am of the belief the Yankees' strategy of using only three pitchers and throwing them on short rest is going to backfire on them. We already saw A.J. Burnett get crushed pitching on three days' rest, and I'm honestly expecting something similar from Pettitte tonight. I still expect the Yankees to win in seven, because I do believe CC Sabathia will roll pretty much no matter what and Cole Hamels seems a bit lost in the wilderness to me, but I also think New York has made the series much tougher than it needed to be. Historically we can see pitchers tend to struggle on short rest, regardless of the era in question (relatively speaking, of course; if a pitcher is usually going on three days' rest, then two days' rest hurts hime), and I think Girardi has weakened his team's position unnecessarily. What do all of you think? I know this concept of only needing three starters in the playoffs has been Fritz' pet peeve for a while now; we now get to see just how viable such a strategy really is.

I don't much care for the Iwamura deal from the Pirates' side of things; it just seems like they're still treading water. Dave Cameron disagrees with me, for whatever it's worth.(I also forgot Jack Wilson got traded to the Mariners; the perils of writing in a hurry, you know.)  I do wish like hell whoever it was who started stumping for Ben Zobrist a couple years ago had more pull with the front office; the guy could have been had for a song as recently as last season, now he has to be considered untouchable. Interestingly enough, VEB has been right in wanting to acquire both Jayson Werth and Zobrist at various points in time before they broke out.  I know there were some here last year (myself included), who would have liked to see Johnny Mo try to pick up Huston Street on the cheap while he was struggling. I remember the advocacy of several posters (again, myself included), for a deal that would have brought Cliff Lee to the Cards after his disastrous 2007 campaign. (In fact, Lee was one of my personal crusades that offseason.) I believe the idea was to move Scott Rolen for Lee and possibly try to get Jhonny Peralta involved somehow with other inducements going from St. Louis to Cleveland. I was a big fan of Carlos Quentin, and I know jillsinmo (who seems to have largely disappeared, sadly), stumped for him for awhile as well. My point? If you happen to work in the Cardinals' front office and are reading this (and I know you guys are), you may want to take a good hard look at any buy-low guys we come up with this offseason. Our track record is remarkably good.

Of course, if you had listened to us last year, we might very well have signed Ben Sheets for a lost season, so at least make sure you look at the X-rays first.

My predicition, guaranteed to be right, for Game 6 tonight: Phillies 7, Yankees 3. Pedro goes 5 inning, giving up 2 runs on 6 hits and a walk. JA Happ relieves him and holds the Yankees down. Pettitte gets knocked around, failing to get out of the third inning and giving up 5 runs.

Have a lovely day, everyone.

The Baron's Playlist for the 4th of November, 2009

"Lovelier Girl" -- Beach House

"Jesus Walking on the Water" -- Violent Femmes

"Mr. Tough" -- Yo La Tengo

"Pale Blue Eyes" -- The Velvet Underground

"These Days" -- Nico

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I desperately wanted Lee when he got demoted

I saw him as a Chris Carpenter-esque career renaissance. I didn’t, however, see him becoming one of the most dominant pitchers in the game.

See? If we had just not traded for Mulder and then traded Rolen for Lee, our rotation would be:

Carpenter
Lee

Wainwright

Isn’t that a powerful 1-4?

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

that third makes my eyes water

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the best 1-4s I can think of...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(crys in corner)

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zobrist remains a sore subject for me

There was, of course, no reason for the Rays to trade him to us…but I still get sad when I think of VEB’s trade-for-Ben-Zobrist campaign and then look at his 2009 line.

by mojowo11 on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We have a great record on buy low guys!

We also have a great record of wanting to sign players that ended up being terrible!

Give any fanbase a medium like VEB and they will name ALL of the buy low guys over any give offseason… and they’ll also ask for a bunch of overpriced under performers…

The front office can’t sign all the buy low the players we ask for unless they’re allowed an 80 man roster instead of a 40 man roster

by salukihoops on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

but with the number of rookies rotating through, isn't that essentially what we have?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In other words

Don’t trust us on free agent signings, but trust us on the buy-low-in-trade guys….

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 4, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps a broader reading of the situation might be

“free agent signings usually suck, but buy low guys are often great value”. Personally, that’s the credo I’d like to see us adopt going forward…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

game threads will eventually call most Cards’ home runs before they happen and call 20 times more home runs that never happen. New rule: you only get credit for “calling it” if you affix your real name to the “it” as you are “calling”.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

second

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

stuff it

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 4, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

greatest hits?? sellout!
Re-issue ! Re-package ! Re-package !
Re-evaluate the songs
Double-pack with a photograph
Extra Track (and a tacky badge)

. . .

Best of ! Most of !
Satiate the need
Slip them into different sleeves !
Buy both, and feel deceived

Also, big moves on the roster front: hoffpauir picked off waivers, thurston and scherer outrighted (call off the bear, gdm!), and brad thompson released.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Adios Brad

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah stupid new SBN format cut me off

Isnt it a surprise that Brad Thompson was flat out released?

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Nov 4, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why couldn't they have cast off WonderBrad and Thursty mid-season?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so how many free spots on the 40 man roster now?

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the current figure is 36

But that does not include the expected openings when the free agents file. See, Ankiel, R., Greene, K, for instance.

by BCinVA on Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See ya later PK

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 4, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buh Bye Thursty!!!

I hope he elects for FA… There are little Cardinal players that I have ever wanted to “just beat it”. And Thurston leads that list.. Get out, move on and sign for the Cubs!

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Nov 4, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2 feet tall?

That’s shorter than Eddie Gaedel! We should have heard more about them!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 4, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

since grit is inversely proportional to height

2 footers are off the charts

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what she said

(pre-empted Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip)

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 4, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you Paulspike

Thursty was absolutely worthless to the team in 09. He couldn’t hit for crap, and his fielding was atrocious. Hope the Cards choose not to re-sign him, but with Thursty gone, who will the team turn to for a backup 3B?

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 4, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On yesterday's mailbag by Leech

he stated that Craig will probably get a long look at Spring training and could earn a part-time player role. I would like to have Craig there. However, we all know what LaRussa thinks about rookies…

Here is the mailbag if someone didn’t read it.

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Nov 4, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if craig hits .444 like lst year and doesn't make it I'll be livid

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot the baserunning

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Nov 5, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness to Thursty Joe

His completely inexplicable and uncharacteristic flirtation with adequacy during April and May had something to do with the team’s success this year, in that a fast start for the team helped make the case for rolling the dice later. He was actually quite useful in April and for the first half of May — check out that OPS. To put it mildly, I am not unhappy to see him go, and he should have been flushed sooner. It still wouldn’t hurt to say “thanks for the first six weeks” as we pull the handle.

by StanTheManFan on Nov 4, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy Fuckin Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

©

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 4, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First Smiths' quote in VEB history?

It’s the first I’ve seen anyway.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

most definitvely not

I know myself and RB are big fans… pretty sure there’s been some quotation quite recently…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

short rest for pitchers is not a good idea… I think the Phils will have Pettitte’s number (are there really 4 t’s in that guy’s name?). 4-3 Phillies.

RB, you temper your depressive overcast with just enough rays of hope to keep it really interesting, I enjoy your style of writing very much. then again, it’s come to be expected around here, keep up the great work!

I’m listening to some Nels Cline Singers – Giant Pin right now, along with a bunch of other stuff (The Ballad of Devin Hoff is really really good). I really like his instrumental side and the goofy name of his instrumental band, he can really make a guitar sing.

I’m still on my sign a starter (Sheets?), Valverde, and Cameron thought process. good luck to us in finding the next Zobrist!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I could go either way so wont kill Girardi

To steal a line from Joe Sheehan – I would not want to punt a playoff game though I dont know if starting Joba is actually punting. Putting Gaudin (especially with his atrocious splits) in any sort of big role would be punting in my eyes. Throwing a Joba/Hughes/Robertson pupu platter may not though I would still take my chances going with AJ, Andy, and CC on 3 days rest.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Nov 4, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that it would be punting.

I don’t think that Joba starting would be that much worse, if worse at all, than Burnett on short rest or Pettitte on short rest.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

one guy is really old, the other guy has had some injuries…

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 4, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not like Joba has been great.

He’s been an ok pitcher with a tendency to get bounced early. The problem is, if you start Joba in Game 4 you lose CC in game 7 unless you are willing to skip Pettitte on normal rest which I doubt Girardi would do. So in essence, the question is Joba on full rest v CC on short rest. Obviously there are other variables but those are the main two.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Nov 4, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Is Joba fully rested better than Pettitte fully rested? Is Pettitte fully rested better than CC on 3 days? That’s how I would make my decision. Maybe Pettitte doesn’t make another start, if CC on short rest is better than Pettitte on full. So be it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whose making the decision?

I dont think Girardi would ever do that, ie, start CC on short rest over Pettitte on normal rest. Now, bgh, sure you might and you might be right..

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry cut short

According to Girardi, Pettitte is better than Joba. One is starting one is coming out of the bullpen. The second question, Pettitte v CC is much much tougher and dont think Girardi wanted any part of that decision to be honest with you. For that matter, neither would I.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Nov 4, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that it's probably not the best way to go...

but I don’t agree that it has extended the series yet. I think the Phils were likely to win any games started by Lee, and likely to lose the others. They have a puncher’s chance to stretch it out tonight with Pettitte on short rest.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Nov 4, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THE A-TRAIN RAN LATE TODAY.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 4, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sorry for yelling.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 4, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's what Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip said

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We need a TLBF TWSS counter

it’s gotta be well over 100

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 4, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yet another masterpiece by Tom_Lawless

I’m not worthy!

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 4, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I blame The Office

for inflicting this meme plague on society. Makes me dislike that show a little bit more. . .

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Nov 5, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, at least you didn't miss it.

because the a-train is the quickest way to harlem.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 4, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am so sad.....

…that I didn’t read the toaster post the first time. Must have been a week I was busy with other stuff and wasn’t keeping up with my VEB reading.

And I love the idea of using “Chris Duncan” as a verb that means to hump something bizarre.

by mtalken on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be too surprised if Cliff pitched Game 7 if needed.

I’m pretty sure he’s never pitched on 3 days rest but it’s the last game of the season and I, personally, don’t know if I would be able to trust Hamels in that game. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Hamels pitched either. I can’t find anywhere that says if they’ve officially announced a pitcher for Game 7 yet, so sorry if they said for sure it would be Hamels and I just can’t find it.
And congratulations on two years Red Baron!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i'd tag-team them

Oh, scheduled starter… Cole Hamels!

Hamels stops locating, Cliff Lee throws off his jacket and sprints to the mound, knocking down Hamels in his haste.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is what I would do too.

Especially the part where Cliff knocks Cole down.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Lee refuses to pitch on short rest.

My Phillies fan friend (who, admittedly, cannot be entirely trusted) told me they asked Lee to pitch game 4 and he didn’t want to do it.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There was just an article on mlb.com that said he would pitch whenever.

Link.
And frankly I can’t see Lee saying he wouldn’t pitch on short rest, especially for Game 7.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The article says Manuel asked Lee if he had ever pitched on 3-days rest.

Lee said he HAD not, not that he WOULD not. It was Manuel’s decision to hold off on pitching Lee. I bet that was where the confusion happened.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

Can’t trust Phillies fans.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 4, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

on the upside of the SBN update

the rss feeds hit my greader much faster

by FunkeeC on Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

RB

your humility is only surpassed by our punctuality…
and spelling

by _pistol_ on Nov 4, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Goold's Birdland Post on the 40-Man Roster

The whole post is definitely worth a read, especially if you need to butch up on how the 40-man roster works.

Players who must be placed on the 40-man roster to avoid being eligible for the Rule 5 draft are those who are three or four years removed from signing their first pro contract. The date depends on if the player can out of college, out of high school or were undrafted free agents.

Some of the noteworthy players who the Cardinals must consider for the 40-man roster are:

Bryan Anderson, the Class AAA catcher, lefthanded-hitter and .300 batter.

Allen Craig, the organization’s newly-crowned Player of the Year.

Mark Hamilton, a first baseman who is learning the outfield in hopes of improving his stock and adding a position to what’s been a consistently productive power bat.

Jon Jay, the high-average outfielder who did well in 2008’s major-league spring training.

Daryl Jones, the 2008 Player of the Year, who is out in Arizona and is a highly regarded prospect.

Francisco Samuel, power-armed reliever who has one of the fastest fastballs in system.

Trey Hearne, control pitcher who had success in Class AA.

Mark McCormick, power-armed riddle who has had difficulty staying healthy, staying consistent.

Tyler Norrick, a lefty who moved to the bullpen and had 78 Ks in 59 ip for Class AA.

This is my roundabout way of asking who would make your 40-man roster if your were known on the interwebs as “Mo” and had “General Manager” on your St. Louis Cardinals, LLC business cards.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Forgot the link.

I recommend reading Goold’s whole post.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know I'm not supposed to read the PD comments but
It is great that the Cardinals do have players quickly snapped up by other organizations. To bad one or two was not traded for someone like, say, Roy Halladay.

by brackenthebox on Nov 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

Hoff as a chip in a Halladay trade. If it also included Wallace, Perez, and Todd, it might have happened. That’s hilarious.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather trade Hoff for Cliff Lee and Jhonny Peralta anyway!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so

Craig, Anderson, Samuel, and Jay or Jones is how I’d roll

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 4, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

samuels=marmol

and that’s a bad thing IMO

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess one question that could be asked is,

Is there anyone that other teams have that we could use ourselves? Or is this too early for that discussion?

 And I will have to ditto Chitown, although Norrick wouldn’t be a total loss, if he’s for real.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

40 man down to 27 after FA's declare

there are five open spots as of today. The Cards lose LaRue, Glaus, KGreene, DeRosa, Ankiel, Holliday, Smoltz and Wellemeyer in a couple of days.

The team probably will to leave five spots open for FA signings and flexibility when creating the Nov 20th Rule V protected list, so pick eight minor leaguers at risk. Jay, Craig, Samuel, Jones are easy ones. I don’t think another team would keep Anderson in the majors for all of 2010. I’d add Hamilton and any promising pitchers to fill out the other spots.

by ubeddie on Nov 4, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

But the non-hitting Pagnozzi might be.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bleh

that leaves a bad taste in my mouth

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not Anderson for 2010?

I am of the opinion that he should be Yadi’s backup for all of 2010, why would that not work for anyone else?

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Nov 4, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Duh, Freese is our backup catcher now

But seriously, seems like a no-brainer. LaRue isn’t expensive but he’s not getting any cheaper. Probably save a million or two, right?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anderson

If he is making a very good showing in the AFL, then he might have a chance to beat out Pags or whatever veteran is offered a ST tryout as backup. I was more commenting on protecting a catcher coming off an injury prone non productive AAA season from being plucked by another organization. I just don’t see a team making that type of a gamble, ie choosing their backup catcher from the Rule V pool.

by ubeddie on Nov 4, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't seem like much of a gamble

They would rarely have to play so even if they had a poor season it wouldn’t cost the team much. And Anderson is young enough he could be sent back down next year

by Glowsticks on Nov 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

it’s not much of a gamble at all…in the end costs you $25K I think. You draft the guy and it costs you $50K. You try him out in ST, if he makes the team great…if not you offer him back to his original team for $25K. If I’m a non-competitive team, or a team with a reliable frontline catcher I think Anderson is a good $25K gamble.

There’s probably a good chance we get BA back at some point next year, but I’d say he’s certain to get plucked if left unprotected from rule V.

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by cardzfanbub on Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of those eight free agents,

We’ll at most sign 3 position players (LF, 3B, backup C) as FA – whether that’s resigning existing players or signing new ones – and 2 pitchers. That’s three slots at min coming open. So we’ll be looking at 8 slots to use on players needing rule V protection. That will easily manage the talent at hand. Some of these low-ceiling pitchers that goold identifies will not really be in danger if put on the memphis roster. Who’s hiding mark mccormick on their ML roster for a full season?

Must protects – jay, jones, craig, anderson, otto, samuel. Norrick or hearne might be nice to protect. I’m wondering if the cards don’t try to sell high on hamilton in the next month.

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by tom s. on Nov 4, 2009 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

is otto really a neccessity today?

i know he can still hit 95 but unless he goes the Kmac/hawksworth route he’s not going to be considered for the rotation.

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's very much worth protecting.

A) he has an outside shot at a rotation spot in 2011 if he has a good season in memphis.

B) he has a more than reasonable chance at becoming a relief arm. Our RH issues are pretty apparent.

Otto’s probably not a top ten talent but he’s too valuable to lose just to, say, keep shane robinson on the squad.

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by tom s. on Nov 4, 2009 5:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if that means he's worth the 40 man roster add though.

I think adding salas, lynn, to the roster is a must that with jay,jones,craig,anderson, and samuel brings the roster to 34 total so it would leave only six spots open to free agents, that’s alot but we need 2 OF(LF and backup), one backup infielder, and 3 pitchers(2 starters one reliever) so where would Otto fit into my plans?

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lynn is not likely to see ml time in 2011 barring injury.

salas is going to start the year in memphis. neither are rule V eligible.

our likely backup IF are all on the roster: lugo, tyler greene, maybe freese or craig (if not starters).at least one of next years starters is on the roster (garcia/boggs most likely).

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by tom s. on Nov 4, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

salas still deserves the roster add

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Salas is mediocre

4.57 FIP in AAA last year as a reliever. I don’t think he’s likely to amount to much in the majors. Control’s OK but he doesn’t really K enough to be a top RP, IMO.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was coming off a finger injury last year

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by azruavatar on Nov 5, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that changes things.

He had a Sanchez-esque year in AA in 08.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and henley.

Henley should be a high priority for protection.

Either or both stav or robinson should get outrighted or put through waivers before we let any of the top eight prospects go to rule V. I’m guessing the club agrees and just doesn’t want to burn that option until they have to – I.e. If we only sign holliday and smoltz, we won’t need the slots.

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by tom s. on Nov 4, 2009 5:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Much rather see stav. leave

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my bad. i didn't forget him, henley is NOT rule V eligible.

should have checked my post from july.

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by tom s. on Nov 4, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robinson is completely worthless

I think we should probably outright him before we expose any of the above guys (except maybe McCormick and maybe Hearn) to rule 5. Jay’s a younger, left-handed Robinson with more pop, so, meh.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

perfect spot

for a player coming off a AAA season that ended in late June? Anderson chose rehab over surgery on the shoulder injury. I just don’t see a team taking the bet on Anderson after last season.

by ubeddie on Nov 4, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

take him

and place him on the DL all year? Maybe make coerce him into having the surgery?

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by scoot on Nov 4, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Craig/Hamilton in LF?

That combo sounds strangely interesting to me, considering that you wouldn’t then have to carry a backup corner infielder since Craig can play 3B and 1B and Hamilton can play 1B.

Would Hamilton be Chris Duncan level horrible in LF? I’d sure like to see him take some fly balls out there for sure.

Could he be Chris Duncan (2006 version) with the bat? That’s an interesting question…he’s 24 and put up a .307/.401/.536 split down the middle between AA and AAA last year. I’d like to see him start the year in AAA, not with the big club, but with his on-base ability, he could be a three true outcomes candidate if he could learn to play the outfield.

Does anyone think that signing Russell Branyan on a 1 year deal to play 3B would be a horrible idea?

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by fourstick on Nov 4, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no to branyan(defensively he's bad, and he's all power)

I’m partial to mora or beltre.

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how he's average defensively and he can rebound to 2008 form.

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mmm take a closer look at his WAR over the last few years

he is on a downward spiral from his peak in 2004

he seems likely to rebound to offer offensively what DeRosa offered us this year and his glove per UZR has been erratic but if you take the middle ground he projects as a average fielder

based on this i would rather put freese in and save the cash for other holes

by FunkeeC on Nov 4, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he would be relatively cheap though

freese is a rookie and not all of them pan out(yes that’s obvious but I would rather spend the 2 mil now than trade away another prospect mid-season)

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of course it's not coming out of my pocket

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Freese will be better than Mora next year.

Mora isn’t very good any more. I’d be surprised if he’s close to average next year. I’d rather just go for Glaus or Branyan, at least they’ve both had solid bats in recent seasons.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

im not the biggest freese supporter but if those are my two options i will choose freese every time…

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by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2009 8:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Branyan's not that much worse than Mora with the glove

and has been a much better hitter for the last 3-4 years.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather sign Glaus to a 1-year deal than Branyan.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 4, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is true

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'd rather have Branyan/Freese

than Glaus/Freese. Branyan can get 2/3 of the starts there while facing RH pitching, and Freese can be a defensive replacement and start against lefties. I think that’s a pretty good platoon, assuming that Branyan can be anything better than horrible defensively at 3B and continue to hit better than average.

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by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think all those guys definitively have to be protected

with the exception of McCormick, who i’m not sure would get rule-Ved by anyone anyhow, and Hearne, who doesn’t have a big league future as far as I’m concerned. Norrick’s kinda meh but given the dearth of LOOGY prospects in the system I’d like to see him stay. Losing any of the other guys would be disastrous, though.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else have a Chris Carpenter like affinity for Cliff Lee?

Like, you hope he mysteriously drops in from the helicopter in the 2nd inning of Game 7, with the bases loaded and proceeds to pitch 15 scoreless innings?

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Like Steve Nebraska!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Um... yes.

Pretty sure I was one of the first on here to have that affinity for him.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there can only be one

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I was on the Indians blog for a little while before.

And before this season I was an Indians fan who had not discovered SBNation.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

from a sprint

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sign Adrian Beltre!!!

like I’ve said before he’s going to be overlooked because of a weak bat last year but he still hit .270 with a shattered testicle.

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

not a bad idea

With Thurston being cut, that leaves the team with few 3B. Freese is likely the starter unless Mather steps up or the team signs a free agent. I don’t know what they’re gonna do, but the team pretty much has to go after Holliday and at least a decent 3B.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we could very well convert holliday back into a third baseman than sign bay as well

what? it’s not crazy. a boy can dream can’t he?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

correction
we could very well convert holliday back into a third baseman than then sign bay as well

what? it’s not crazy. a boy can dream can’t he?

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd imagine you would at least have to apply some pinetar to it

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't that be a question an expert?

ie prostitute.

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 4, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+Many

Well played

by BCinVA on Nov 4, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if it's so great why didn't you rec it?

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

brilliant.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 4, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I had

But I guess I don’t know how to accomplish that feat

by BCinVA on Nov 4, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

will my shame have no bounds?

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have figured Beyonce lyrics to be in the musical dictionary of tom s.

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 4, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I say no to Beltre

For the money he will cost, does he truly give you much more production than a cheap Freese? I’d rather try Freese and resign a versatile DeRosa as a back-up option/bench player, instead of gambling on Beltre. He’d have to come pretty cheap for me to take him over Freese/DeRosa.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 4, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Derosa is more of a risk than Beltre

that and he is far superior in defense while Derosa gives us a second round pick. Besides who said that freese can’t play second or OF and while learning from a gold glove player at third.

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa may be as big of or more of a risk but

his versatility is worth more to this team. The third base market is pretty weak this off-season, so why think that Beltre will get over looked? We’ve got a guy making the league minimum who appears ready to take over at 3B, so I don’t think you need to spend a lot of money on a guy with his fair share of question marks to play 3B and only 3B. I think the money is more wisely used on DeRosa, who can take over for Freese if he can’t cut it, OR he can contribute as a utility player on a team managed by TLR.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 4, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok there's

Joe crede
Brandon Inge
Adrian Beltre
Chone Figgins,
Craig Counsell
Troy Glaus
Adam Kennedy(last year)
Melvin Mora
Miguel Tejada
Juan Uribe

Of these guys only beltre,crede,inge stick out as guys who can play nicely with the glove.
Now that I’m considering Inge, he could be back-up catcher which would save us a spot on the roster and still give us a good third baseman. hmm….

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Inge is a terrible hitter

although overall his glove helps him out, I feel we need someone who can hit a lick at 3B, especially if we’re spending FA $ on it (basically, if we sign a FA 3B I don’t see how we can afford Holliday, so the 3B would probably have to be able to hit 4th or 5th).

Crede is irrepairably broken. I actually like him (nice glove, bit of pop) but I can’t see him holding up for another healthy year. I’d rather take the chance that Glaus can play, tbh.

Beltre would be good if he comes cheap enough, but I’d rather just spend the $ on LF and SP.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Inge just had surgeries on both knees too...

Considering that one reason I’d want him is because of his ability to get behind the plate every 5th to 10th day, those knee surgeries kinda scare me a bit. He’s always been a bit injury prone as well.

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by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

David Freese has never played 2B at any reasonable level and we have better candidates for the OF.

He’s a 3B or nothing.

I don’t mind Beltre but I get the feeling his hacktastic approach may not age that well, and he’ll surely get in the region of $10m again. He’s not my favourite candidate to be honest.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So when can I post a .GIF?

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

everyone else can whenever they want

you? never again

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* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 4, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

crummy jpeg

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by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See?

That completely takes away from the usual profundity of CodyG’s usual posts. He’s like a wild animal in captivity. Let him roam free, people. All of humanity will thank you.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

screw humanity

Humans mostly suck anyway

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* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 4, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it seems they debrided Ted Lilly

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 6:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Has it really been two years RB?

You have improved in one area of your writing, Shameless Self Promotion. And isn’t that the most important part really?
Punctuality and brevity………………..yeah well, that still needs some work.

I have to admit Life Lenses was one of my favourite posts by anyone on VEB. Of course the writers at El Vivi Birdos may be better but, alas, I have yet to find that site so this stuff will have to do. I thought I’d throw up a few of my favourites from RB’s past, in no particular order starting with

A Few of My Favourite Things- 2008— Joe Strauss, I mean come on, really Joe Strauss.

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Mozeliak… — That Dr. Theodore E. “Red” Baron is a mighty fair educator.

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Mozeliak, Part Deux—Dr. Reginald Ecthelion Dante “Red” Barontonoviel on the other hand is a long winded buffoon.

One More Day —For two reasons, one you start off with the line Quick post this morning; a bit short on time. and then proceed write a 400,000 word essay and second reason is it contains my favourite installment of Great Moments in Redbird Future History, (You need to bring that one back Red) PeyoteOs are GGGGRRRREAT.

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by That's a Winner on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it was actually 1242 words in that essay

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding playoff rotation strategies

Ken Funck at BP wrote an interesting article about postseason rotations with one of our new favorite players (and, just for JD, possible future closer) John Smoltz giving something of an endorsement (originally from a Verducci article).

The article is about tandem starters (or, as I like to say, piggybacking* the starters) such that you have two starters per game, and they pitch on three days’ rest.

Smoltz suggests that such a strategy is perfect against the Yankees since their lineup is so deep, and Funck has written before about hitters’ increased ability to hit the same pitchers each time through the order. Essentially, he concludes, the patient teams do hit better each time through, “though, ironically, the Yankees and Phillies are not prime examples.”

On the other hand, I was thinking that the Phillies are actually a prime example of the sort of team that should USE a SOMA strategy. They essentially have like 6 or 7 starting pitchers, so why not use them?

I’d arrange them like this:
Game 1: Lee/Myers
Game 2: Pedro/Happ
Game 3: Hamels/Blanton
Game 4: Lee/Myers
Game 5: Pedro/Happ
Game 6: Hamels/Blanton
Game 7: Lee/Myers

I’d let Lee go a little deeper into games, but keep him under 100 pitches until Game 7, and obviously if a guy is struggling you bridge the gaps with the rest of the pitchers (mostly Park, Madson, anyone who can get a lefty out, and realistically Lidge).

Thoughts?

*Note: I’m not sure if I thought of this name. It’s possible, if not likely, that I read it somewhere.

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Nov 4, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BTW, has anyone ever tried this in MVP Baseball?

I know it has no bearing on its effectiveness in reality, but I bet it would work…

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 4, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK 1 month in, and it works so far.

But the Astros drafted Pujols before I did, and I hate it.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 4, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would've taken...

Lee out after the score was 6-1 in Game 5, then brought him back for Game 7.

The problem is managers approach a 3-1 deficit from the standpoint of doing everything possible to get to the next game. But every game is equally important, b/c you have to win them all.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My main thought about this post

is that I really, really want to be called “Ken Funck”.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I loved the Christmas post last year and after rereading it I love it even more

A year older with adulthood starring me squarely in the face makes it mean even more. When I reflect on a vivid childhood memory I can take myself right back to that point in time. I can feel the the wonderment; the exuberance; the fear and it all seems so real. And then I realize how much has happened since, most of it corrupting those innocent feelings in some way. It’s so strange that as a kid you always want to be older and then at some point you’d give anything for a do over at it all. Perhaps it’s just a phase of being in one’s late teens/early 20s. But then there’s this bit from Knocked Up:

Pete: I wish I liked anything as much as my kids like bubbles.
Ben Stone: That’s sad.
Pete: Totally sad. Their smiling faces just point out your inability to enjoy anything.

Basically Judd Apatow saying it only gets worse.

Anyway, rereading that post got my mind racing on such matters and I felt I needed to write it down.

Now RB I expect something even more gut-wrenchingly nostalgic this Christmas Eve. Don’t feel too much pressure.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 4, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

is anyone else disturbed by SBN's

new default icon (meaning, anyone without a user icon) being a red star with black background? it makes it look like Astros fans post here.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought too,

and I’m not loving it. Other than that, the update looks nice.

by cardsgirl95 on Nov 4, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I can't stand it.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

congrats on 2 years RB

speaking of jillsinmo…its crazy to look back at old threads and look at how many formerly prolific posters have fallen by the wayside

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 4, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think she got a bit tired of people bashing Reyes, tbh

Seemed to me (like WCBW with Lohse) she was a fan first and foremost of Reyes, secondly of the Cards.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, there Mr. Red Baron,

Ha, ha, ha-I see you mentioned me. I have largely disappeared from this site. I cruise through all of the SN sites about once a week, and damn if today wasn’t the day I stopped by! It made me smile that you had something to say about me, though, so thanks.

 You’re right-I did want Carlos Quentin, I wanted Mike Adams for the pen, (just go look at the back to back seasons he put up!) except I changed my mind. I want him for the Twins now, on behalf of my sister. And I hope a team, any team, will pick up Matt Murton and make him their 4th outfielder. You KNOW how cool redheads are? Well, they’re cooler than you and me, guaranteed!

I’ve sort of checked out of Cardinal Nation. It was becoming more frustrating than joyful to me so I took some advice from a song lyric (written by Ryan Adams), “She left before she had to go.” Have a good one, Red.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Oh, and could you get Mike Adams for the bullpen, please?

by jillsinmo on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sad day, sad day

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, speak of the devil

and you’re dead right on Murton. I’d love to have him in LF, actually.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Matt Murton

basically an older, less athletic version of Allen Craig?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, UZR seems to think he's good in LF and decent elsewhere in the OF.

Could Craig be an average or above defensive outfielder? If he could that would be awesome.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, red,

“God Bless Us, Every One” was some of your best work. Congrats on two years and keep up the good work.

by cardsgirl95 on Nov 4, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Anyone have any ideas on a LH bench bat?

We’re gonna need one. I don’t think Jay is the answer, as I don’t feel his bat is enough nor his play in the field is enough to fill the position. A guy on my radar is Mark Teahen. I think Lugo for Teahen may be a good trade for the Cards and Royals.

by stxcardsfan on Nov 4, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Money

Lugo is almost free and Teabag made 3.5 mill in 2009. Something to consider.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We all want this TEABAG fellow, but MARK my words he stinks ROYALLY

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

HA! Nice.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and the teabag has left the building....

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 5, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Miley Cyrus does not belong in a baseball stadium

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 4, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And, God, does it look like a fun party

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 4, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals discuss an offer with Matt Holliday.

6 years/ 96 million

http://www.stltoday.com/discussions/sports/joe-strauss-live/LD110309932/all

Interesting, I don’t put much emphasis on this, as it seems more like a feeler offer than anything, probably to gauge the length of a deal that he would want.

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 4, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i would be ok with that deal

but i doubt boras or holliday will consider it for very long

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 4, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be happy with that deal

I would be shocked if B/H wanted less than 7/112 though.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 4, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No to 7 years.

6 is the absolute most I’d touch, and it’d have to be <$100m.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is Joe Strauss, folks ...

Not a real journalist. “… there are suggestions that the Cardinals discussed” is classic Strauss. The next chapter will allude coyly to “sources both inside and outside the Cardinals organization”. Not a word which actually attributes the “suggestions” to anyone in a position to know anything.

by alberich on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly

he has no sources for this, he’s just throwing the shit out there, like usual. I would be concerned if that’s where we were starting in negotiations though — if that’s where we are to start, what’s to stop him from asking for $110M to $120M over the same number of years?

If this was Goold I’d put a lot more stock in it….

You forgot to put the damn asterisk in (*warning, Strauss). I thought we agreed to do that!!! (Kidding!!! Well, kind of…….)

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Straus = Scott Templeton?

I could swallow that, actually.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone else not reply to posts?

Or did someone forget to tell me something?

by thepainguy on Nov 4, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

quiet, it's a secret

I can’t get into much details but it’s necessary that you make TWSS jokes.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fox is broken again.

Lame.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TWSS?

i’m so confused

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Megan Fox is broken.

there is some elaboration here

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 4, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

btw, I found that by googling

“Megan Fox is stupid”

hee hee.

She certainly is beautiful, though. I guess that can cover a multitude of sins, for many.

(Not singling you out, Mr. Bat Flip)

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Transformer movies are bad

but every time I see it on my channel guide I flip over to catch the one scene where she is looking under the hood of the car.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't seen it.

Was going to, but everybody told me it sucked and not to waste my time.

I read an interview with her in Elle magazine (I think) and GOOD LORD SHE WAS STUPID. But she obviously thought she was very intelligent and insightful and was doing us all a big favor by agreeing to be interviewed by a fashion magazine.

She looked great in the clothes, though.



That was when I first noticed her mangled Shakespeare quote tattoo. Oh Megan, you’re so deep!

6ly Megan, just keep your goddamned fool mouth shut and look pretty. You will piss fewer people off that way.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 4, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not very well.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 4, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of...

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 5, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the first one was a pretty good job, actually

I mean, in terms of “you’ve got to make a live action version of an 80s cartoon with a stupid pretense, GO GO GO”, I think they did it as well as could be expected, and I really enjoyed the CGI (which I usually hate).

The second one obviously fell into the recent story-by-committee, lazy-editting, sloppy story mould of blockbuster pics that somehow seem to go on and on and onf for nearly 3 hours, despite having a paper-thin plot. The later Pirates of The Caribbean movies (plus a few other recent ones) seem to be in that genre, too. I, personally, can’t stand it and find it really sloppy and irritating.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've made up my mind; I won't bother seeing the second one unless it's on TV and I have nothing else to do

I liked the first one for the exact same reasons you stated. I was really afraid when I heard that they were making it and that Michael Bay was attached. Then watching it I realized they did it perfectly. Just serious enough to have a decent story to follow, but plenty of ridiculous fun. I also like most of the actors in the first one, except for Megan Fox. And Shia LeBoeuf or however his name is spelled, got really overexposed for a while.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They seem to create like FIVE new characters in the second one for exactly NO reason other than comic effect

and none of them are funny. At all. They just add to the length and the sloppiness of the film without actually bringing anything to the story (especially the conspiracy theory geek he meets at college). They also bring back the John Turturro character from the first one, who I didn’t like and thought was a bit pointless in both films. It’s also a 2 and a half hour advert for the US military, even more so than the first one.

The most irritating thing, though, is that it’s a 2.5hr long movie with very little plot, yet they STILL couldn’t actually write the majority of the plot into the dialogue and scenes of the movie – most of it seems to be told in crummy flashback scenes and lengthy bits of spoken exposition from jetfire, prime and a couple of other characters. AND the final fight scene is really disappointing.

Unbelievably, given all that, I actually didn’t hate it THAT much and it passed the time OK, which is testament to basically how cool 30-foot tall transforming robots having a fight is.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 6, 2009 5:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I find her kind of boring

There, I said it.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 4, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even think she's all that hot

I think it’s that she seems to make “dressing like complete tramp” look sexy, while people like Lindsey Lohan can’t pull that off.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sign nady/beltre/ben sheets!!!

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

collar

0-3, then pinch-hit for

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 5, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

minor league coaching changes

Goold posted an article on changes the Cards made rotating pitching coaches among the minors. The big one from a “name” point of view is Dennis Martinez moving from Palm Beach to Springfield.

by ubeddie on Nov 4, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Get Happ warmed up

He’s not going to be able to get by with 84 against this lineup.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 4, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wakefield can get by with a 71 FB

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but he also has a positive fastball

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But really,

at 70 mph’ish, isn’t it a changeup?

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

let me do the math

at 10.4% FB this year with 2020 total pitches
thats 210 fastballs now divide by 21 starts
that’s an average of ten per start
wow amazing

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wakefields FB

is in the upper 70’s/lower 80’s, he just never throws it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

84 ain't going to get it done.

His fastball is his change. What’s that make his changeup?

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Better than this???

I wanted to sit on this til a comment tailed out of control, but it’s just too good not to share…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22JIgpBVcF4

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are both fantastic

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 4, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LSUFREEK IS THE MAN

+10 MILLION

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Weirdest thing just happened.

I turned my TV on again just to check and see if Fox was working yet. It starts this Direct TV setup thing. It then proceeds to fill everything out by itself and then directs me to the new channel Fox is on, all by itself. My TV is going to take over the world.
Really I think we just changed something about our satellite provider so it had to go through all of that but it was weird.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 4, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Ok TV, now I want to watch Pardon the Interruption."

“I’m afraid I can’t let you do that, ClemsonGirl.”

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Pedro...

I’d love to see a game 7

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He actually is their daddy???

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

niiiiiiice

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dear god

He doesn’t have it. Pull him.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 4, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why have Happ ready...

if you’re not going to use him? He got Rodriguez… still, it’s an elimination game.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Momentum is tomorrow's starting pitcher???

Someone should tell Chuck that doesn’t necessarily work in the postseason…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sabathia's contract

salaries to be paid semimonthly over all 12 months of year, rather than semimonthly during season

I wonder what this is about? Some weird things in contracts.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can understand that...

if he got paid just during the season he’d get $2 million dollars every other Friday, then nothing for six straight months.

A guy would have to budget very carefully, or he could run short of funds.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

maybe he has mortgages

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Antoine Walker...

the hoops player, burned through $112 million over the past 8 years. He had an entourage of 70 people everywhere he went.

Mo money, mo problems…

RIP Biggie

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell!

Wendy’s is getting rid of their Biggie Fries?

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Hot Stove was arby territory

curly fries. curly fries

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what has this world come to?

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness

Athletes end up seeing like 50% of their money between commission and taxes, so really he only blew 55-60M

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 4, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah...

We should write him a thank you note for helping fund the government. That’s a fair chunk of money

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ramon Vazquez contract

Vazquez to donate $10,000 to club charity

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is why pujols is EL hombre

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

was he just on speed dial or something??

maybe he’s got a directory of charity golf gangs. I mean games.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 4, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please go oppo and hit a really, really cheap flyball homerun

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

guess i missed some carinal news

pk released, thurston and sherer outrighted and the hoff claimed by the jays?

and holliday offered 6/96?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 4, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You would have thought.

That Germany would have claimed The Hoff, not Canada.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 4, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't be that upset

worse things can happen than retaining him through his age 35 season at $16MM per

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

quoted wrong guy

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's ok

I see ya.

I suppose if we lived through ahemMulderahem, we can live through any roll of snake eyes no matter how high the stakes.

I need to eat something. I’m starting to sound like Woody Paige.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just so I can say I called it

6/96 would be tragically stupid.

Of course, if Holliday puts up Coorsian numbers for six solid years, I will e-turtle and pray this comment is lost in the sea of daily posts. That’s the beauty of armchair GMing from mom’s basement.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Put me dow for a No for 6/96.

I’d be ok with 3/60 more than 6/96.

When has one of these long contracts really worked out?

by Harknights on Nov 4, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beltran? Really?!?

If I squint from the other end of the room, Manny’s contract might look like it worked out.

A-Rod is a Insta HOF.

by Harknights on Nov 4, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Beltran's been worth his contract so far pretty easily....4.6 WAR per year so far

And I’d think it’d take a better contract than 2/37 to sign Beltran if he were a free agent now even after his down season.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 4, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I have to think about

Beltrans contract overnight…and I have to rethink my No vote. I hate the idea of being on the hook for 6 years.

by Harknights on Nov 4, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At least Beltran plays CF a Premium position

I think a good rule for long contracts for position players is that they have to be a plus defender.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so would you give one to Hanley Ramirez?

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, Pujols as well

7Y$100M and he’s been worth around $220M over the first 6 years.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess when the answer is

Well it worked for an inner circle HOF player and that’s it.

You have to ask…is Holliday an inner circle HOF player? If the answer is no then that’s the answer.

by Harknights on Nov 4, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holliday's a 5-win player, at least

and will probably still be a 3/4 win player at 35. I think 6/96 is a fair deal all-round, really. I wouldn’t want to pay much more, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be on the hook for more than 6 years.

5/80-odd would be my preference. I don’t think 6/100 would be a disaster, but I think there are better deals out there (MIKE CAMERON!!!).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Define "Inner Circle HOF player" for me please....

Is that guy in the top 5 in WAR in each of the previous 4 seasons? Holliday is.

A 5 tool player? Holliday is.

Best free agent on the market? Holliday is.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 5, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I guess if Holliday continues to hit 30HR/100RBI seasons until he’s 35, and continues to average .300 (as I imagine he will unless he gets hurt), he’ll be in the discussion. I doubt he’ll be an inner-circle guy, though; trad stats aside, these are the sort of players who put up frequent 7 and 8 win seasons. Holliday’s never done that, and I doubt he ever will.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That release point camera angle is neat

Too bad neither Tim nor Joe know what it means.

by thepainguy on Nov 4, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tim

still has no idea there’s a little rectangle representing the strike zone for the fans at home. The release point camera will be remembered by Tim as gentle white noise deep in his subconscious.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To his credit...

…he does seem to notice it and it does seem to throw him a bit.

He’s generally quiet when it’s on, like’s he’s studying it REALLY hard and thinking to himself, “I should know what that means, and say something about it, but I got nothing.”

by thepainguy on Nov 4, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So they let Pedro face Matsui...

so he could pitch the 4th… which was absolutely vital considering that the entire staff is at the ready in the pen.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pretty nice...

last game for Matsui.

Good night.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 4, 2009 9:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's too bad

I’ll miss Matsui. Baseball could use more players like him.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

matsui is milton bradely's opposite

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If MB becomes a Cardinal

I have dibs on the screen name “Milton Bradley enjoys Scrabble”.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

milton bradley is so nice he gave a little kid a ball with only one out

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 4, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, that's the game

it was a good season. shitty post season

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 4, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Howard had the most Statistically Outstanding world series EVER.

That takes some doing.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 5, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

esp since it didnt go a full 7 games...

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Nov 5, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's not even creative

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 4, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the series ends tonight

At least I won’t have to see anymore celebrity Yankees fans for a while. Blech. I really like Kurt Russell, too.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

This will change your mind?

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 4, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Yankees WS title

What a depressing way to end the 2009 baseball year.

I’m sure we’ll see the Steinbrenners cry like this was something they spent worked hard to do.

Oh well…it’s hot stove time!!!

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Even though I am rooting for the Yankees

I feel obligated to point out that it ain’t over ‘til it’s over.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 4, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jebus

They havent won since 2 fucking Thousand.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 5, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, RB

It sounds like a Very-Best-Of or Greatest-Hits type compilation. I usually hate hits compilation CDs; they completely ignore the context of original albums. However, reading good past articles again is quite different from listening to those crappy greatest hits CDs. I’ve enjoyed this compilation, thanks.

“Not with a Bang, but a Wimper” is just crushing. The post brought tears to my eyes. I’ve been following the Cards since 2000; if you guys allow me to say this, it was my team, too.

“God Bless Us, Every One” is another gem. Back then, I printed it and brought it to my English class!! (remember I’m Korean?) We, me and my English teacher, read it together and talked about the way western people celebrate Christmas. He liked your writing, too.

I think you have a real knack of blending your personal experience with baseball insight. Keep the great work, RB!

Cardinals fan from Korea

by FreeRedbird on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

noooooo!!!!!

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver

by Smokin Turkeys on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The WWL

will be unwatchable for at least a week

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver

by Smokin Turkeys on Nov 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Blech, yankees win

time to seek some solace in the works of blogger-philosopher red baron. By the way, rb, that christmas entry is one of my favorite posts ever on this site

by mattyp on Nov 5, 2009 12:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Damn Yankees

Where is our resident Yankee fan anyway? Havent seen or heard from gdm for a couple of days. Is he on a self imposed ban for a few days? Did Dan make it back and give him the soft boot? I hope that the bacon lung hasn’t overcome him to the point that he cant make it down the stairs into the basement.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 5, 2009 12:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i'm here

just chillin & layin low. i don’t have a lot to say i guess.

glad for the Yanks. obvy wish it was the Cards, but them winning it is better than the alternative.

like i always say, don’t hate, congratulate. they are the best of the best. we Cardinal fans have nothing to be ashamed of, we are fans of the best NL franchise of all time. that’s pretty cool.

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hah, not watching, but Utley?

hope Rivera gets it though, he’s one of the few I can stand. The rest,as far as I’m concerned, can borrow a gun from a Yank friend and do themselves in.

by mattyp on Nov 5, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im completely against

giving it to a player on the losing team.

by Evilfrog on Nov 5, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so am I , just seems too forced

but it would have some precedent. The only player on a losing team ever to win, coincidentally, was another second baseman—Bobby Richardson in the 1960 series playing for—of all teams—the yanks

by mattyp on Nov 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hit a GS for 6 RBI's in a game (record)

That was a weird world series. Yankees blew out the Pirates in 3 of the games by huge margins. But the Pirates still one with a Game 7 walk off HR.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 5, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In baseball, Yes

Other sports, No. Some other sports such as Hockey. A player even can be the most dominant player on the ice by such a degree that it makes even the winners pale in comparison. Hard to due in baseball.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 5, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And so the long dark night of the soul begins.

When does spring training start? Can I hibernate until then?

by StanTheManFan on Nov 5, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

But pitchers and catchers report Feb1! Right? Right!!??!!??!

: (

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 5, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry!

We’re all gonna make it through this, all right? OK???

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 5, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

**breaks down and starts sobbing**

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

I just love all these announcers and Yankee players acting like 2000 was such a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. Oh it was such a Long drought. Oh the humanity!! Oh my God generations have gone by since the last Yankee championship….You really have to feel sorry for them…it’s been a LONG 9 years.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 5, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I get what your $aying

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 5, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had to turn the TV off when I saw Bud $elig hug A-Rod....

that $ays it all.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 5, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While Indians fan throw things at their TV's.

If they’re still on.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 5, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My grandfather would have us sit around the campfire and tell us crazy storys about the yankees great drought of 1960ish-1977ish

apparently it was due to the ghost of ruth who was upset about maris’ record or something.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 5, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably depends on if they sign Holliday

and let Damon go. I’m sure they will be the big spenders again this off season. The question is who is the top free agent pitcher that they will sign to be their #4 starter? John Lackey?

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 5, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

They think it’s their right to be in the World Series every year and they will spend some more to make it happen. I won’t be shocked to see Holliday in pinstripes next year. I’m sure they will give him an offer….Boras will make sure of that. He will make sure the Yankees are involved with many of his clients to drive up the price. They will sign a top starter for sure.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clamoring for Ben Sheets?

I understand the Ben Sheets would have been a lost cause for the 2009 season but it hasn’t been that long since the Cards signed an oft injured pitcher in 2003 for 300k? Who then came back to have a couple stellar years? And should have a few more?

Not saying that Sheets is Carpenter, but if you can get in and buy some good will while they are injured and show them some support, the good will can come back to pay some really good dividends

by JShell73 on Nov 5, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sheets is probably better than Carpenter was when we signed him

Carp wasn’t really an ace in Toronto.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 6, 2009 5:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By the by

I think the Cards could have done the three man rotation thing if they would have had the Yanks sched, but, alas, they did not win 103 games and get to pick their playoff format.

The also did use just three starters, so the jokes on me.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 5, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yet another reason to not want Pagnozzi to make the team next season

He uses chat speak in his Tweets. Ugh.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 5, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

HFS

LaRussa and Hawksworth use it too! Don’t these people know that kind of shit is wrong. WRONG!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 5, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong

they’re wrong

they’re wrong

they’re wrong

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 5, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair, only one of TLR's tweets are in chatspeak

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 5, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's one too many!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well to be fair that was a Retweet,

so maybe he didn’t actually type it that way.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 5, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tis in other tweets as well

so I stand by my comment

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 5, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I hadn't read them all yet.

But I will still defend him as I slightly fell in love with him during that Twitter visit.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 5, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I don't how slightly you fell in love with brownies

But I still don’t think he is a major league quality player, at least from what I’ve seen. I just like the person that his Twitter makes him out to be.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 5, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

are we still talking about Pagnozzi?

or are you in love with LaRussa now?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really need to stop crossing the threads

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 6, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pagnozzi.

Don’t worry.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 6, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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