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the help that hurts

as we enter the horse latitudes of the baseball posting seasons -- doldrums occuring somewhere between the first scent of pumpkin pie and the hangover from new year's -- it is time to give some attention to a factor sometimes overlooked.

we toss around the term "replacement value" as a kind of an insult. in reality, a replacement value player has his role. a team with an ample supply of replacement value players on the bench and in the minors has a real asset. like someone who runs the mile in 7:30 flat, it's easy to forget that lots of people don't reach that unimpressive level. 

players accruing value below replacement level are not hard to find. here is a quick sampling of some of the worst players of 2009 in terms of  negative value.

Name

Team

WAR 

Dollars

Yuniesky Betancourt

- - -

-2.1

($9.6)

Jose Guillen

Royals

-2.0

($8.8)

Brian Giles

Padres

-1.6

($7.1)

Alexi Casilla

Twins

-1.4

($6.2)

Delmon Young

Twins

-1.3

($5.9)

Aaron Miles

Cubs

-1.3

($5.7)

Aubrey Huff

- - -

-1.2

($5.2)

Conor Jackson

Diamondbacks

-1.1

($5.0)

Mike Aviles

Royals

-1.0

($4.6)

 

these players run the gamut from the injured and ailing (Jackson & Aviles), the inept (Betancourt), the unlucky replacement value player (Miles), the player with yet-unrealized potential (Young), to the player with such a monstrously bad contract that the club continues to put him out there in the vain hope that he will somehow garner a return on the investment (Guillen). the Guillen performance reminds me of a Monty Python sketch about sheep that are attempting and failing to fly; the effort was tolerated by the shepherd, despite the fatalities among the flock, because of the "enormous commercial possibilities" should the sheep succeed. 

both of the two least valuable players in MLB are on the Royals. coincidence?

it is worth noting that I have excluded from the list above the negative offensive performance of pitchers. most pitchers hit below replacement value. fangraphs tracks their value as pitchers separately from their value as hitters. i simply don't think that the negative offensive performance of pitchers is sufficiently worth concerning ourselves about in these discussions; it's worth keeping in mind for exceptional cases, but just not worth concerning oneself over. even reasonably good hitting pitchers will likely rack up a negative value with the bad. micah owings led all ML pitchers with an astounding 2.3 runs above replacement value with the bat. 90% of all pitchers were worth between 2 runs above replacement value and 4 runs below replacement value in 2009.

now, let's take a look at how teams fared in accumulating negative value in 2009 -- you can probably guess who's number one.

the teams are ordered by lowest overall position player WAR for the team. there's some correlation between overall team performance and negative performance by some members of the team, but not as strong as you might think. playoff teams like the Angels made it to October even though the contingent of the incompetent, led by gary matthews jr., did their best to halt the Angels progress.

Star-divide

 

Team

Negative WAR

(position players)

Royals

7.4

White Sox

4.1

Astros

3.1

Mets

2.6

Giants

2.4

Cubs

3.5

Pirates

1.7

Reds

1.6

Orioles

1.8

Diamondbacks

3.1

Padres

4.4

Nationals

1.8

Athletics

3.7

Braves

4.4

Rockies

1.0

Cardinals

2.8

Marlins

0.7

Indians

2.4

Mariners

2.8

Blue Jays

1.3

Tigers

1.8

Twins

3.1

Rangers

1.6

Dodgers

0.6

Brewers

1.3

Red Sox

1.2

Phillies

1.4

Angels

3.1

Rays

1.5

Yankees

1.5

 

so, what does the accumulation of negative WAR indicate? 

first off, probably every team will inevitably accrue some negative WAR from position players. that's just the nature of the game. somebody is going to be injured. some replacement value player is going to have bad luck. it happens. the table above indicates that few teams managed to lose less than a win to negative value players. almost half the teams (13) racked up between one and two wins worth of negative value.

however, some common themes arise in those teams with more than two wins' worth of negative value: a major theme was bad players on expensive contracts. my inclination is to think that high levels of negative WAR are probably an okay proxy for bad general management.

the correlation isn't 100% - most of the value lost to the cardinals from less-than-replacement value players came in the form of khalil greene and chris duncan and nick stavinoha. most folks thought khalil had at least a reasonable chance of doing okay here; the outfield was seen as a strength in the off-season. is mo really a bad gm because he didn't stock up on OF talent while we were deliberately moving a player OUT of the outfield because it was too crowded in the OF? 

still, the preponderance of terrible players with inflated contracts on the teams with high negative values from position players can't be ignored. too many clubs throw good value after bad by letting those failing players come back and back again, hoping that this is the time he's going to turn around.

the other area of concern would be bad managing. the gm can set you up with a team, but the manager is the one who makes out the lineup, decides who sits and who doesn't. overexposing a sub-par player by starting him too often could be a serious weakness among managers; overplaying an aging vet long past his prime may be a vice of a manager as much as signing him is the vice of a GM. the concept of sunk cost hasn't yet been popularized among MLB execs and managers.

* * *

well worth checking out is a WAR projection for 20 top free agents by jeff zimmerman. health doesn't play a role, which is why troy glaus makes the top ten.

still, the list makes an interesting case for some names - joe crede needs to go write jeff a check for explaining why you should mention him in the same breath as chone figgins and adrian beltre. it has something to do with UZR/150's from the past four seasons of 13.6, 23.9, 7.6, & 23.4. i could get interested in someone who's likely to take only 300 PA's with david freese holding the fort behind him.

i'm a little concerned with some of the results. mike cameron at 2.0 war seems rather pessimistic. worth a read, though.

* * *

in case anyone is interested in following the birds playing winter ball, here's a brief summary. of the contingent playing in arizona, tyler henley has been the only silver lining for the org, putting out a respectable .300/.358/.500 line. dismal results from descalso, anderson, and jones have left the org looking bad in surprise, az. mark hamilton took up with the dominican winter league but was asked to return to the U.S. after struggling at the plate. word is he was getting some reps in the outfield. jon jay flashed the only other real offense, but down in the venezuelan league where the competition is even more variable than in arizona. still, a .418 OBP looks good against any competition. 

cardinal pitchers haven't been faring any better. mike parisi's arm still works, making  him look like a memphis starter this year, but "adequate" seems like parisi's middle name here. he's still pretty far down the depth chart. minor league free agent evan maclane carried his 2009 success in memphis into the dominican winter league. still not clear if the cards will bring him back this spring to fight walters, ottavino, lynn, parisi, and maybe hearne for a slot. i'm proud of how well maclane did; at the same time, i'm not sure he belongs in the rotation as a non-prospect with those names ahead of him.

* * *

if you want to know what i've been up to, this is what i made over the holiday. mine looked nothing like the picture, but tasted pretty good. it ended up not nearly as airy as it should have been.

* * *

in a related item which i didn't read until after writing this whole thing, posnanski gives out his lvp awards to yuni betancourt and milton bradley. while the betancourt award for the AL is hard to contest, it seems like a disservice to the nl winner; bradley wasn't even least valuable on his team by WAR, much less the whole of the NL. he was in fact the seventh most valuable position player on the cubs by WAR.

* * *

this news item cracks me up. good for you, ross.

* * *

now that november is over, i need to know: was it as bad as i said it would be?

 

 

 

Poll
how bad was your november?
it was as bad as you said, tom.
30 votes
it was even worse.
23 votes
i don't know what you are talking about; i had a great month.
57 votes
the month isn't actually over yet; it could still get worse.
59 votes
i wanted to vote for one of the options above, but my blood sugar is still so high from eating all that pie, the lethargy prevents me from reaching higher than this option.
89 votes

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are we still doing this?
sorry either way.

by brackenthebox on Nov 28, 2009 6:57 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I offer you merely a waffer-thin rec.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Usually,

if a mousse or souffle ends up somewhat denser than desired, the culprit is overworking the batter while incorporating the two disparate elements. Remember, folding is your friend, stirring will only destroy your hard work.

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Nov 28, 2009 7:33 AM EST reply actions  

yes, that sounds right

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 28, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, when did you revert to your old avatar?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 28, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

probably nothing more than you could get from wikipedia

I’m mainly familiar with them in the context of supervised learning. If I remember correctly, one such usage is in pitch classification from pitch f/x data. The basic idea is to find a function that maps some set of descriptor variables (e.g. pitch velocity, location, movement, etc) onto an output space (e.g. 2-seamer, 4-seamer, slider, curve, etc). Given such a function, you could pass in all the descriptors and determine the pitch type.

Neural networks are one way to learn such a function. In spirit, the method is pretty similar to regression methods that you’re already familiar with; one starts with a set of basis functions and is trying to find a set of rules for combining them together to best match another variable. In the case of linear models, the “rules” are merely the weights that one multiplies by, prior to adding everything together. For neural nets, the “rules” consist of the order in and degree to which the basis functions are combined together to yield the final function.

Neural nets allow for much more complex combinations than just weighting and summing, and consequently can describe much more advanced systems, but it is essentially the same idea.

In any event, when used in supervised learning, one trains a neural net by giving it some examples where everything is known (e.g., all the pitch f/x data as well as the pitch classification for a few thousand pitches). The connections in the net are then varied so as to minimize the error in classification of the training set. Given enough training data, a well chosen neural net should be able to describe just about any arbitrary functional relationship between descriptors and outputs.

Not sure if that helps, but that’s about the extent of my knowledge.

by brackenthebox on Nov 28, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

What I'm looking to do is something that would be like a complicated multivariate regression

With a lot of parameters. The thing isn’t linear in most cases, and it won’t look vary pretty on it’s own, due to the massive amount of variance expected.

I’ve read that neural nets are able to take relations that aren’t well correlated and combine them into something meaningful.

It’s probably way out of my league, but do you know of a good program that I could use to create one?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

A bored PhD student who needs some money?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it's for baseball

I’m trying to get a summer job with a team, so I need to do some more ambitious stuff. I have something in the works that could be really badass, but it’s probably outside the scope of my tech skills.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 28, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you have MATLAB?

When I’ve used them before, it’s been with the neural nets toolbox in that. Octave also has a neural nets package if you’re familiar with MATLAB but don’t feel like paying for it. I’ve also used WEKA for some machine learning applications (though not neural nets). I’m sure you could find a package for R, python, or perl, but I don’t have first hand knowledge of any of them. You might also look into support vector machines or decision trees/random forests, although those are more used for classification than regression in my experience.

If you want to discuss offline, feel free to shoot me an email.

by brackenthebox on Nov 29, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I’m somewhat familiar with R language, so I’ll look for a package on that.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

evan maclane

I prefer they bring him back to Memphis. Let’s say the Cards are hit with a raft of injuries (or thermal nuclear war erupts). Out of this group, who do think is ready to go to the show and eat innings—Walters, Ottavino, Lynn, Parisi, Hearne? Hearne was left off the 40 man and might get taken in the Rule V draft. Besides, his stuff is underwelming and I’m not convinced he is a crafty enough rightie to make it in the MLB. Otto has control issues. Maybe he solves them in 2010, maybe not. They shouldn’t rush Lynn. Parisi … not an appealing option. Walters might be the only guy ready to step in from Memphis. We need more depth. Evan MacLane has been outstanding at Memphis. How many times have we seen opponents bring up a soft-tossing lefty from the minors and shut down the Cards? I like the idea of our team having one of our own who just might turn out to be an effective major league pitcher if not overexposed.

by jjray on Nov 28, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

My thinking

I can’t really see a fit for Hawksworth this year, if we have no injuries, so I’m guessing he’s back in AAA as a SP. With him and Walters as backups (and Parisi in a real emergency, but by then we’re probably screwed anyhow) you’d think we’d be OK. If the rotation is Carp, Waino, Lohse, FA, Garcia, and the RH side of the pen is Franklin, KMac, Motte, Boggs, FA, I don’t see a spot for Hawk. I guess if we sign Holliday and only have about $10m left after that, there’s a chance we only sign one pitcher, but I feel that leaves us badly lacking in bullpen depth.

Given that structure, if EVERYONE else is fit, I can see Hawksworth, Ottavino, Walters, Lynn and Maclane being our AAA starters. Hearne can come up if someone gets hurt (or if Walters or Ott get moved to the pen, which is very possible) and otherwise can hang in AA for a little longer.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

With puppy kicker gone

I think Hawk gets the long relief role in the pen.

by jjray on Nov 28, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

+/-1

by the end of the season, i was much more comfortable seeing the hawk called on than kmac

seems to me giving kmac another shot at starting in memphis might be best in the long term

i also wonder about the same for motte, ie, closing in memphis

the closing/40-man situation in memphis last year was puzzling

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

two weeks ago i would have agreed with the notion

That the hawk was better than k-mac. After going through the numbers last week, I’m inclined to think the hawk was luckier than he was good in 2009.

If you compare peripheral stats and FIP,and particularly if you look at the consistency of these stats between 2008 and 2009 for k-mac, I think we have a bead on his skill level, which is probably not setup or closer stuff, but decent 7th inning stuff.

For the hawk, I’m worried that much variation on his 4.5 k/9 performance is going to leave him very vulnerable.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 28, 2009 5:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Hawksworth's stuff better though

FB has more life and has a plus changeup with better command overall. That 4.5 is definitely low from what he’ll actually do. Granted he has to improve his slider or tweak his curve to keep it from “popping”, but Hawk has more potential IMO.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 28, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

at his age and experience level

just think kmac has more to contribute as a starter
mostly because it’s easier to accommodate those b on b streaks as a starter than in any lat inning gig

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

imo, hawk will be in the pen in a middle relief role

his increased velo out of the pen makes him a better fit there, while he’s not good enough as a starter to warrant more starter innings in memphis (or stl).

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 28, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly...

his higher velo out of the bullpen ensured his spot on the big league roster. with hawk in middle relief, i don’t see the cards doing anything else in the bullpen this winter.
franklin
motte
reyes
hawk
boggs (i still expect the cards to sign smoltz or another veteran for the #4 slot, leaving this spot for boggs)
miller
kmac

if anything, if the cards sign another bullpen arm, i think boggs will go down and start at memphis

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 28, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Really is a shame he popped his labrum

Touching 96 as a 19 year old with a scout’s quote “Bugs Bunny changeup”.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 28, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

last year in AAA Hawk did fine

3.08 FIP. 2.85 K/BB ratio. Good GB rate. That profiles as an adequate #5 SP at the major league level at the very least. He’s the 5th or 6th best starting pitcher on our books at the present moment in time.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 1, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The best thing about the Royals

well, one of the very many good things, is that if they continued to trot Jose Guillen, Yuniesky Betancourt, Mike Aviles (all on your list) and Mike Jacobs (-0.7 WAR) out all year, at this level of production, and we GAVE them Albert Pujols for free, the average net value of this fearsome fivesome would be basically replacement level. And they’re paying actual money to those four players.

Dayton Moore. Ah.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 28, 2009 8:27 AM EST reply actions  

i suspect the accumulated schadenfreude will result in AJ being drafted by them 10 years from now

The GOB are like that.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 28, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Aviles

luckily wasn’t trotted out there all year because he “got injured” and sent down. I never really got to hear much (even living in KC) about the injury other than he was “injured.”

by stlfan on Nov 28, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Aviles actually did "get injured"

Perhaps you didn’t hear, but the young man had tommy john surgery. His injury, I can assure you, was not only real, but quite serious.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
Oh, and could you get Mike Adams for the bullpen, please?

by jillsinmo on Nov 28, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I can only assume he works

for vouchers to the Team Store and Concession Stands. So really the Royals are money ahead of employing a real GM.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

what happened when he moved from atlanta

aliens?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Team paid his moving expenses?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean

the braves, i assume

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean ATLiens?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 29, 2009 12:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

what happened when he moved from atlanta

aliens?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall Ballot

interesting Hall ballot this year. Barry Larkin, one of my favorite all-time shortstops is on the ballot and I’d like to see him get in, but will probably fall short. Edgar Martinez should get some votes and I am hoping that Robin Ventura gets the minimum so we can see the Nolan Ryan Ultimate Fighting video. Anyone for Robbie Alomar?

If Big Mac manages to do a mea culpa on steroids, he will probably start moving up, but if he sticks with the “past is the past” line, I expect he will decline below 20%.

Just win

by The Duke on Nov 28, 2009 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

I'm with you.

But Robbie is interesting but I’m too lazy to look at his numbers.

Zeile is on tha ballot too. I always liked him. I wonder why he was shipped around so much.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 28, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Todd Zeile

was my first childhood athlete crush (followed shortly by Danny Ainge, and eventually John Mabry). I was an odd child. Ahhh memories….

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 28, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

My one friend's "cardinal bf" were..............

Chris Duncan and Adam Kennedy. Really?!

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 28, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ew.

I’m actually friends with a girl who dated Chris all through high school. When he finally made it to the bigs, I called her and was like, “bet you wish you wouldn’t have dumped him.”

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 28, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Was that then followed up

by calls this year congratulating her on her ultimately good foresight?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I think she has no regrets.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 28, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet

there’s another fan of the Sweet Swingin John Mabry… or at least that’s what I’ve always called him.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

All time favorite Cardinal.

If you remember, he hit like .317 as a rookie or something and at one point had like a 20-game hitting streak. I was sure he was going to be a star. I have his rookie card signed in a glass case…sigh

I was really excited to see him on Shaq vs. Pujols.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 28, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

For some reason I always felt

that he was if not Superman, a close approximation in with the BOBs on his chest.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

by net WAR, larkin, blyleven, and trammel should be pretty strong admits.

I don’t think the voters use that as their benchmark yet.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 29, 2009 12:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not fair to use stuff that wasn't invented yet

when they were playing…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 29, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

AB's for everyone!!!!

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

But bradely has some of the worst intangibles

Why are all the stat heads trying to take over every award! The guy can’t even count to three.

by Evilfrog on Nov 28, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

You don't have to know how to count to three

you need to know where to look in the stadium and see where they post the out totals. That’s what he doesn’t know how to do.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

that implies he knows how to read

and therein lies the problem.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 28, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said he knew how to read.

Just defending his inability to count by trying to give him an out.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

assuming the word isn't going to end.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 28, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see words ending anytime too soon.

People like to talk too much.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Word.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for pointing out my facetiousness.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 28, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Anytime

I do what I can to help out a fellow VEBer.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

2012

= blatant rip off of"when worlds collide", including the biblical twist

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

1984

Was/is a way scarier “Year as a title” work.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 28, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

2012’s only redeeming virtue is good effects

the collision substitute (neutrino storm) is even less realistic than the colliding premise

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Nov 28, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that movie.

I actually teared up a little. That never happens.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 28, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it's a brilliant movie IMO

my favourite of last year.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 1, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions  

the extinguisher dance sequence in wall-e

is one of the great film moments of the decade.

at least, that’s my excuse.

by DanUpBaby on Nov 28, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a similar theory about professor snape

Being one of the better developed literary/film characters of the last ten or fifteen years.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 29, 2009 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

i don’t think people realize how true and how lovely Wall-e is…It’s a little kick in the groin of how important our humanity is and how much it should be celebrated instead of being tarnished by war and violence….

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 29, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't get it

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

check out the rotoworld bar on the front page.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 28, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!

that’s how I read it at first too

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 28, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

it turns out that major league baseball

has just been a creation of Albert’s imagination all along

by brackenthebox on Nov 28, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Cogito ergo ridiculoso.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 28, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

November has been pretty blah

but the weather has been very warm, so the month hasn’t actually been all that bad. thanks for the great post, Tom

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 28, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

OT: I bet Cgirly isn't having a very good time today,

considering her mighty Tigers are getting thumped by the lowly Gamecocks.

Very good job today Tom. Might coulda done without the depressing report from winterball, but a very good job nonethaless.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

More importantly

they killed my streak… bastards. Hopefully they will have the same common courtesy to roll over to Illinois in the game this week.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, GA Tech lost too.

So I feel slightly better. Also Webster won State. Also I didn’t actually see much of the game since I was in the car.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 30, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

"Gamecocks"?

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 1, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

They’re serious.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I beseech the tom s.

use more capital letters. I am starting to confuse you with lboros.

godfather of futureredbirds.net

by erik on Nov 28, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

OKAY ERIK I WILL TRY TO USE MORE CAPS IS THIS EASIER TO READ?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 28, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: We never have to see that fat fuck Mangino again

This is a great development. I hope there’s all you can eat buffets at Montana State.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 28, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

mmmm

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm getting a sugar rush just looking at that.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

OT: So I just got COD: Modern Warfare 2

Just beat it on regular and kind of was disappointed. Didn’t like the story line at all. It is going to be impossible to beat on Veteran. I can’t tell which guys are enemies and which ones are not.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

new games suck

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 1, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions  

the guys that are not enemies

have their names when you aim at them

i thought the story was great. online play is really fun, too, if you’re any good at it, which i’m not. which is why i’m playing fallout 3 right now

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on Fallout 3

I’m a fan of taht entire genre really. Liked Elder Scrolls as well.

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 28, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

getting oblivion next

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i've played about 200 hours of oblivion

and still have tons left to do. that game is MASSIVE.

and i’m enjoying the fallout dlc now that its finally available on ps3

by adiueordie on Nov 29, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

i just got the goty edition

which comes with all of it.

lvl 30 cap ftw

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I haven’t gotten all of the DLC yet, but I still enjoy just taking a mini nuke at some random supermarket parking lot where it is full of zombies and or brotherhood and letting it rip

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 29, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Game was meant to be played online

My roommates are utterly addicted.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 28, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

kind of explains the 6 hours campaign. i wish it was longer

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i beat the game in like 3 hours

I just thought the first MW had a much better single player. It was so freaking hard to beat on veteran. It took me like 5 hours to just beat the Ferris Wheel. It might be because I am playing this one on the PC and the first one on the 360.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Any Dota/HoN guys on here?

Spends a lot of my time anyway.

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 29, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like realistic moden warfare.

I can’t tell which guys are enemies and which ones are not.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 29, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all set for 2010 merch-wise

I got some new hats, a new Pujols shirt (as my Ankiel one was getting too small), and a team calendar. Much to my disappointment, the calendar includes guys like Thurston, Ank, and K. Greene. I’d like a hoodie for X-mas, and then I’d be all set

Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 28, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

i need a new jersey

i just can’t bring myself to slap on an ank jersey anymore. i asked my mom for either an ankiel or wainwright jersey last christmas. oh, what could have been

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't buy a jersey unless the player is going to be around for 3+ years

So I guess it’d be Waino or Rasmus if I was getting one this off-season.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Dec 1, 2009 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

so, i picked house back up

and i just finished season 5/started season 6 last night

and i must say, i wasn’t expecting that it wasn’t real! shit really caught me off guard.

yeah, but season 6 is starting out really tame and kind of bad so far. we’ll see how it goes

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

I gave up on House long ago.

So much crap on TV. There should be a Cardinals channel playing games 24/7 starting with all Bob Forsch’s games.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 28, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

FTW

especially the last part.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 28, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it's definitely second tier tv

but once you’ve blasted through the wires and carnivales and dexters of the world you need something to watch before you pass out at night

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I have re-watched the Wire quite a few times. I prefer shows that are closer to long movies than single episode shows.

Shows that have high repeat value build off each episode without a lot of feel good fillers. The only exceptions to this rule for me is good comedy’s such as Two and Half Men, Scrubs, and How I Met your Mother.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 28, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed on scrubs

or the first 5 seasons at least. that one episode from season 5 when they play the song by the fray, oh man

i keep saying i’m gonna rewatch the first two seasons of dexter and the wire, but i always latch on to some mediocre show like house or lost and get sucked into the predictable plot twists

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 28, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

when i first started watching it

i played a little game predicting what was going to happen next. i was pretty good until it started getting really unrealistic

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

My friend has been watching some old seasons

and been calling out what’s going on that isn’t revealed until future seasons. I’ve never watched the show so I can’t say how impressive that is. Just from her analysis it’s not a hard to show to figure out.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 29, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

OT: So I turn on the USC - UCLA game

To see UCLA throw a TAINT. As part of his celebration the guy who ran it back did the John Cena “you can’t see me” thing. Now I really hate USC… but that’s just too damn funny to not drop them a spot or two in the teams I hate power ranking.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

As a Notre Dame fan

USC makes me vomit, but everyone else seems to hate us more.

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 28, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably cause you make it so easy.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 28, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahahaha

I guess so, well, being born in Indiana, it’s either cheering for IU football, which is underfunded and nobody cares about it, Purdue football, which as an Indiana B-ball guy I can’t stand anything Purdue. So all that’s left is Notre Dame.

Too bad Weis is gone. Means sayonara to Clausen

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 29, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh I don't have so much a problem with ND fans as their graduates

Those people are way too proud of the fact they paid way too much to go to school where they don’t have cable in the dorms. Which also sets me up for the immortal joke of “How do you find the Notre Dame grad in the room? You don’t have to, they’ll tell you.”

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 29, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

So true :P

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 30, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: image editing software help

The wife got herself a real nice camera for her christmas/graduation gift. She’s taking tons of pictures but doesn’t have a good program for editing the images. Any suggestions?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 29, 2009 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

prophetjohn

You know a lot about R right? I’m looking to do a multivariable regression for run values based off of location in the strike zone. So given the horizontal and vertical location of each pitch, I want to get an equation predicting the run value, preferably in a closed form.

Can you recommend a good function of how to do something like that in R?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2009 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

the fuck is R?

you’ve gotta be thinking of someone else

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I was thinking of Kindred

I don’t know why I confused you two. I haven’t seen Kindred in forever though.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what my first thought was, too.

My second thought was that I was glad that he asked you and not me.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

so, btw

googlewave is really cool. just had my first indepth wave with lots of people online at the same time. very interesting

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2009 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

Sign Adrian Beltre!!! OR Sign Rich Hill

I feel it’s obligatory to start some baseball talk

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

....

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Childhood photo of gdm I assume?

My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier

by Taskmaster on Nov 29, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

You can tell he really respects him by the way he grasps it.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

love the indifference of the grasper....

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 29, 2009 3:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you mean the grasped.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 29, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

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