American League MVP Watch
by DanUpBaby on Nov 23, 2009 4:33 AM EST
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A full post later today, on the occasion of Stan Musial's just-passed 89th birthday, but today is the official start of round two in this offseason's sportswriter-narrative boxing-match between Traditional Statistics (apparently wins and losses, exclusively) and the Newfangled (among them FIP, tRA, WAR, strikeouts, innings pitched, batting average et al); Joe Mauer, author of what is arguably the second-best hitting season in tools-of-ignorance history, and Derek Jeter, author of perhaps the second-best season in Derek Jeter history, are squaring off for the AL MVP.
As sea-changes go the offseason of 2009 has seemed a little forced—Zack Greinke was both astonishingly good and a great story, a combination that has won pitching plaudits since before Cy Young was born, and Tim Lincecum was a repeat champion facing off against two pitchers on the same team who led the league in strikeouts and pitched thirty innings more than his nearest competitor. This will be no different; Joe Mauer hit .365, and would have no real competition, in 1929 or 2009, if the Hall of Fame shortstop on his tail were playing for the New Jersey Yankees.
Certainly 2009 is more welcoming to sabermetrics than 1999 was, but this is a slow and strange process, not an inexorable march toward the terrifying future. Ten years ago the sabermetrically averse were castigating internet fandom for championing the likes of such slugs as Matt Stairs and Jack Cust; today one columnist is worried that seamheads are paying too much attention to defense. 2019 will probably look a lot different when we're sitting in it.
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it's now time for this to die
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by gdm426 on Nov 23, 2009 4:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
NEVER
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
No I'm scared.
Thanks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
It's frightening.
I have to remember to open this thread up by the title not the comments so I can avoid it. Plus I have to keep up appearances.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Maybe Tila Tequila needs to be the one to die?
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
she doesn't need to die, she just needs to go away
far, far away
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Like hell-far-away?
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
No, but it does rhyme with "first."
And fist was originally a misspelling of first.
Now with extra feisty!
When you say it like that,
it makes me look BCBish.
:(
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
but that wasn't really the context.......
it was really more of a, this is funny if you read the last thread type of deal.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
Or, rather
…the fist time?
YEEEAAAAHHH!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This I am well aware of.
Please note: ALL comments made by me are likely dripping in sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
It's okay, disclaimer now a part of my sig.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I thought it was a Freudian slip?
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 23, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
no, just a typo
a Freudian slip would be, errrr, horrible…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
3 typos in the same thread....
I had been drinking since the fist inning however.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
I didn't get it either
because it’s tenuous as all fuck…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
If you were going to go with "cursed"
You should have used this picture
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 23, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That will never get old.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I had to rec that
just for the sheer awesomeness of that pic. Like Forsch said, that never gets old.
1up
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
A+++ WOULD REC AGAIN
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 23, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
if this doesn't kill the fist meme
I definitely have something that will end it once and for all. You people really don’t want to make me post it.
I am already making my goodbye speech, cuz I am pretty sure they won’t let me back on VEB after said posting.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
if gdm jumped off a bridge...
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
negative
i’m not getting near any bridges with you, gdm
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i got stuck on a bridge yesterday
It had a stop light. I was like what kind of fucking bridge has a stop light on it
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
That happened to me on Saturday!
We were outside Washington, MO. To complicate matters – and freak me out even more – one lane was closed for construction, and there was a lot of heavy equipment in that closed lane.
Now with extra feisty!
I got nothing against bridges
I just don’t do ladders. My dad this weekend wanted me to help him put up lights. Wanted me to go up a ladder. Hell no. I would rather hang off the roof than get on a ladder.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
he's still trying?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No, I made him go up there instead
I know too many people that have fallen off ladders. Plus, my dad is a little guy like 5’6. Doesn’t hurt as much when he falls.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
i got stuck on the poplar street bridge a few years back for 45 minutes
because of a wreck, and i about lost it. that damn thing was shaking & moving like crazy. i finally just cranked the stereo, closed my eyes & tried to go to my happy place
i’ve been 6ly freaked out by bridges ever since i saw a made for tv movie back in 81 or 82 about the golden gate bridge falling apart & trapping people on it
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Two words: Tacoma Narrows
If you don’t know about it, it is simply one of the coolest things ever caught on camera.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
oh yeah i know about it
that’s not cool, that’s my worst nightmare
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if i didn't know
that fg’s war didn’t include catcher defense, i would be inclined to put zobrist at the top of my ballot. but i think mauer just edges him out
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
They're both pretty special seasons
perhaps the finest catcher season in living memory, and perhaps the best backup-utility-guy season in living memory!
Still, I think Mauer’s is historically good. We’ve not seen a season like it from a catcher (and, if you believe most people I’ve heard who’ve made an assessment, a good defensive catcher) since Johnny Bench.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
also
the fact Mauer lead the AL in OBP AND SLG from the toughest defensive position on the field makes all other discussion irrelevant, IMO.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think
that the position he plays makes his offensive performance more impressive, but the two should be separate from each other for MVP considerations.
I think it’s also kind if funny that Weiters used to be described as Joe Mauer with power considering his season
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Separating defense from offense for MVP?
Is that what you are advocating? Or, are you saying that his offensive output should not be judged by his position? Because, to me, when you look at his defense at the most difficult and demanding position on the field and his offense, he is head and shoulders above the pack in the MVP race.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
that his offensive output should not be judged by his position?
that’s a much better way of phrasing it. i’m running on 4 hours of sleep. his offensive output plus the fact that he is apparently a great defensive catcher makes him an mvp in my mind. not the fact that he’s putting up great offensive numbers at a position that makes it difficult to do so. catcher or not, your numbers have to be among the best in the league to be an mvp (and they are)
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think, given the difficulties of quantifying catcher defense
and the generally accepted ideas that “C is the toughest defensive position by some distance” and “Joe Mauer is a pretty good defensive catcher”, it just puts his offense (i.e. the best, bar none, in the AL) in an even better perspective. He may be one of the top 10 defensive players in the AL, and he also had the best offensive season.
Zobrist is a fine defensive player, and for me, gets bonus points (quite big ones) for his positional flexibility, but he didn’t hit as well as Mauer, and, realistically, there are a lot more good hitting 2B/OF guys out there than good hitting catchers. I think I’d have him narrowly ahead of Jeter and Greinke in 2nd place though.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't have heter anywhere near second place
i’d have zobrist narrowly behind mauer and second place. hell, zobrist accrued more war than some guy named albert f. pujols.
jeter, though, is 9th in the league in wOBA and is an average defender at a premium position. he might not make my ballot at all, though he would be close. nowhere near the top, though, for sure
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
But you're forgetting
that he leads the world in being named Derek Jeter… and that carries weight with some voters…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
And he broke the Yankee's hits record
which means he’s the best hitter ever
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
If you're bigging up Zobrist for having the second highest hitter WAR in the AL
then you SHOULD have Jeter in 3rd. He was 3rd in WAR in the AL.
Inconsistent, sir, inconsistent!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
i think
jeter’s WAR is high because of a perceived excellent defensive season. and i don’t buy it. guys don’t just turn 35 and become amazing at SS
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
that said
i am cherry picking stats because fuck derek jeter
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i disagree
Being a catcher is much more important. You are getting a huge offensive boost from a position not known as a offensive position. If a 1B and C hit equally well. The C is more valuable because there is less good hitting catchers.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
fewer
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
i need to proof read more
I swear I am not as bad grammatically as I come off. I am just lazy.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
i need to be less of a pedant
i don’t normally do that, i swear!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Mom? Is that you?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
it is a boost
i’m just saying that he shouldn’t be cut any slack on his offensive numbers because of his difficult defensive position. at least not any more slack than what he makes up in defensive value (which we can’t really quantify beyong fg’s positional adjustment)
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
The C is more valuable because there is less good hitting catchers.
nah. 8.2 WAR is 8.2 WAR. scarcity is irrelevant
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I had both of them on the same fantasy team
It was grrrreat. Mauer absolutey gets my vote, he was on a tear and I can’t imagine if he could have started off the season that way instead of losing that month what else he would have accomplished.
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 23, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I picked Mauer 3 straight years in fantasy
this was the first year I didn’t. I was thinking “he’s gonna have a huge breakout year sooner or later, realise his power potential and hit 20HR, and continue to average .330+” but it never really happened and I got tired of wasting a top 5 or 6 pick on a C who usually ended up just a bit above average. Oops!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ain't that always the way it goes?
Murphy’s Law is a bitch sometimes.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
ESPN's votes
All of ESPN voted for Joe Mauer except for Jon Miller, the dumb to Joe Morgan’s Dumber, and Steve Pasquarelli, the creepy guy who hosts BBTN when Karl Ravech needs a break from John Kruk and everyone else there.
I believe it’s Steve Berthiaume isn’t it?
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
TEIXEIRA?!?
wtf?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
i no, rite?
Its like he’s never watched baseball before. Or maybe he’s just really, really dumb
by Notorious PSC on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
He plays for the Yankees.
And he had a good year, even if he is a first baseman. It’s not all that surprising, even if it should be surprising.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Photo
There wasn’t a photo of Jeter attempting to run down and tag Mauer?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Colonel
If not Pineiro, then Wellemeyer, apparently, is the former Cardinal pitcher being targeted by Milwaukee this offseason.
Todd Wellemeyer, one of the Cardinals’ free agents, said Friday he expects to get a chance to start somewhere. “I’ll have a job,” he joked. The Milwaukee Brewers are among at least two NL Central teams to approach his agent, according to a source.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This
“I’ll have a job,” he joked
HAHAHAHAHAH… hooooo boy… that is a good one… at least he hasn’t lost his sense of humor.
MB for LF in 2010!
ha! sounds like his post-game interviews
I really felt great out there today! I had my control and was throwing good stuff, but that’s just how it goes, you know…you can’t not let up 9 runs every time you go out there
It's just bab luck
A broken bat here, a bloop hit there. Next thing you know, the other team has 8 runs on 13 hits and 5 BB through 4 1/3. Poor guy. He’s a victim of chance every 5 days.
Col. Welley
shall look great in beer barrel navy blue. I can’t fathom why the Brewers GM jones on Cardinal scrap heap pitchers. The great question of the universe is the identity of the other team that contacted Wellemeyer’s agent?
I would say Kansas City
but they already have Brad Thompson and Jocketty plucked the Colonel off of the Royal scrap heap in 2007.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but
kansas city is not a nl central team
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I completely missed that.
Sorry about that. Imagine if Pitt signed Ankiel and Wellemeyer…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you better be sorry
you sumbitch, you
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
reds, i'm guessing.
Jock was still gm when we got todd. Also, they need cheap pitching if they sell harang.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 23, 2009 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you guys know the latest rumors about the Brewers
sniffing around Smoltz, right?
[repost from Hot Stove post]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 23, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ya but....
Smotzl wants to be on a team with a playoff chance…….so I don’t think he’s sniffing around the shirt un-tuckers.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
more on the theme of rummaging through the Cardinals' bin
they untuck and they dumpster dive? wtf.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know how much that matters.
If whatever team he signs with isn’t in the hunt at the deadline he’ll be traded.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 23, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
There's a distinct chance
That the Brewers will employ Suppan, Looper, Mulder, and Wellemeyer next year. That is hilarious.
until they win the division...
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
four 20 game winners man
you heard it here first
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
If they play as themselves in MLB The Show?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 23, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I Think Joe Moo-er Wins This...
…hooves down, and I think he deserves to win it. I’d say the same for Prince Albert but I’m less sure that he will win it (stupid anti-Cardinals bias!)
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I can't see a universe in which Pujols doesn't win it near-unanimously.
sometimes somebody out-homers him, but he beat Fielder and Howard on all the triple-crown stats except a narrow loss to both in RBIs, and he absolutely crushed everyone else in every other stat out there, lead the league in homers, OPS, wOBA, OBP, WPA, WPA/LI, WAR and dick size.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
actually, Tom Haudricourt
already revealed that he has Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, and the Italian Sausage ahead of Pujols
yeah
braun and his mind numbing 4.8 WAR. how is there any doubt?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Has he been in the glue again?
How does he figure that anybody is more valuable than Pujols? The Mang puts this team on his back almost every season.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I really feel like we're being set up. I really do.
“Greinke, Lincecum, Mauer…cool! These guys all deserve their award! That means Pujols should get his award too!
….
CHASE UTLEY!?!?!”
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 23, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
because, as felonius noted above
albert led the league in dick size
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yes, thus the "!?!?!"
indicating shock and/or surprise at the selection.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA!
That last link was awesome.
“By some advanced metrics, Bay was basically the worst defensive outfielder in baseball last year. Fangraphs.com had him in the bottom five.
If that’s the case, so what? Fenway Park cozy left field mitigates any defensive shortcomings for 81 games of the season, and even if Bay’s not a Gold Glover, he’s not a butcher, either. He catches what he gets to, has an accurate arm, and gives maximum effort."
Self’d.
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Nov 23, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions
It's silly,
but I do agree that the Red Sox (and, probably, the Astros) are the two clubs best positioned, by the nature of their LF wall, to hide a defensively challenged outfielder.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i also think that UZR gets messed up by their walls
So they aren’t nearly as bad as their stats say so. But when you check other fielding metrics such as Run Zone Rating. They suck under that too.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
He catches what he gets to
I think that’s the main issue, isn’t it? His error rating (i guess, how well he catches stuff) was positive this year, but it’s a very small component of how good a player is, defensively, along with his arm. By far the most important thing is range, which, in Bay’s case, is pretty appalling.
The Sox probably have their own metrics or measures for looking at defense in front of the monster, though, and I assume (if they do offer him a contract) they’ve ascertained that his poor range plays better at Fenway than it would in other parks, minimising the damage.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I like THT's Run Zone Rating for smaller samples
Scary part it says Bay was better than Ludwick this year.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty confident that Ludwick's a pretty solid RF
I know there IS the whole human bias thing, but I’d say my eyes tally pretty well with UZR, that is, he’s somewhere in the ballpark of average in most areas, but has a really, really good arm.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
he knows how to play the caroms and his arm was magnificent
what are: things I did not see Matt Holliday do
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 23, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
i'm going to disagree with this
not because I think Luddy’s a poor defender, but because post-hammy injury he was near stationary for about a month. from what I could tell, he could get to a ball hit 3 steps away and nothing more for weeks
I don’t think it’s “the whole human bias thing” so much as metrics not really adjusting for injury
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
yaz held down left at fenway fine
as could a jai alai player, or the most interesting man in the world.
now, cf in houston, with that ferris wheel…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You get some interesting caroms off the uppermost cars.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
Why no MVP love...
for Sabathia?
The Yankees were clearly the best team this year, and he almost single-handedly kept their weakest link from dooming them. If you deleted Texeira, Mauer, Greinke, or Jeter from this past season, all that would’ve changed is that the Tigers would’ve been swept in the first round instead of the Twins. Take out Sabathia and the Yanks aren’t any kind of a juggernaut.
MB for LF in 2010!
The postseason doesn't count in MVP ballots correct?
It is kind of hard to give an MVP to Sabathia when he didn’t even come close in the Cy Young :P
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
Depends how you define "value" - that old chestnut
but, realistically, if you’re just looking for the “most valuable player on a contending team”, it’s Jeter, really. I can’t see much of an argument for CC, especially as his innings would likely be replaced by someone pretty good anyhow (Hughes?) and the Yanks still make the post-season comfortably.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about...
assigning a “pretty good” value to Hughes. You take him out of a role where he’s valuable – the 8th inning – then assign him to start where he may or may not struggle. Joba shows these guys aren’t as fungible as we might think.
MB for LF in 2010!
he was above average in his 7 starts
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
St. Louis Post-Dispatch Cardinal Newsletter
I am a subscriber to the P-D’s daily (during the season, at least) Cardinal Newsletter. It’s nice during the season to get an email with the day’s Cardinal news. However, this offseason, the P-D has used the list to email out advertisements. So far, I have received one for turkeys, one for frosted Christmas trees, and now one for an outlet store. It’s kind of annoying, especially, since I live about five hours away from the businesses that are being advertised. Is anyone else getting these emails?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I try not to have anything to do with P-D
Everytime I have went to the stltoday.com site Norton pops up a notification saying that the site is dangerous, I’ve got a tracking cookie off the site before.
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Those rapscallions!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
well as shitty as the site itself is
its not nearly as shitty as the souls of the commenters there….good god, I was just reading the comments from the “st. louis named second most dangerous” article. These people make youtube commenters sound like fonts of ancient wisdom
If you could have this guy for the OF would you want him?
CHONE predicts his numbers in 2010 to be .256/.335/.501
if those are actualy numbers
i would take him for a lower order guy if my first few choices pan out. now, i also want to know what his name is so i can assess how accurate those predictions are. if that is rick ankiel, no thanks
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
don't pan out
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
actual numbers
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He spent last year in AAA and put up a line of
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
i'd rather
go with ddj/craig platoon
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
This guy is available in the Rule V
So for LgMin and only $50K
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
he is a st louis cardinal
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Who is it?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
can he play of?
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Could Chris?
No, but I’d take that production in LF. Disclosure: I was a Chris Duncan supporter through ’06, ’07, ’08, and then I jumped ship mid-season of ’09.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm aspiring
to levels higher than c duncan
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either way
i think we’d get better production out of craig/ddj in left. shelley would be a great bench bat, though. f murton or kearns
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david dejesus
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I don't understand why KC would trade him
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
well, they are kc
plus, i think they have guys ready to step into the position
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jon jay
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Beat me to that one.
He sounds averagish and should be an upgrade for the Royals.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
and he’s blocked in the cards’ system as far as i’m concerned.
hell, maybe they’d even take sugar shane
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agreed
Unless Clobby really tanks or gets traded in some monster trade, we own him for several years not much place for Jay.
I really don’t know enough about sugar to comment. Is he just hollow calories or is there any substance to him?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
he's 5'9"
and hits like he’s 5’9"
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Hey! I'm 5'9.
Just what are you trying to say?
/totally kidding
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
i prefer girls that guys have to be at least 6 FT
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
My rule is they have to be taller than me in my highest heels,
so 4 inches taller. He is actually about 1/2 an inch too short.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Maybe that half inch is made up for somewhere else.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 23, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His fingers?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry.
Just had to ask. Didn’t mean to step on your joke.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
depends on whether he can find the inbox.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
how bout for every inch you grow
The diameter of your balls double
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
you make a deal with the devil
Their will be consequences
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Their shure whil
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this is why I like spants so much
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
if he has shoes on too then it should be ok
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
I know that this has been discussed ad nauseum
but how much would he cost again. I hate to ask but I can’t remember.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
4.7MM next year
and then a 6MM club option for ‘11. and by ’11 we’ll know if craig is the real deal and dj will be at the doorstep, so his contract and what he offers the club is just perfect
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Sounds like a good move.
Depending on what it’ll cost us to get him.
We don’t have too many eggs in the basket anymore. Although Sdunc would be a nice addition and keep PapaDunc happy to have another of his kids around.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but
it wouldn’t cost a faberge egg. just a grade b jumbo egg
and i’m not too hot on shelley as a starter
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As long as it's not a faberge I can live with it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
too dangerous
PapaDunc might be happy to have him around, but then what if we had to cut him loose – or worse, what if we wouldn’t dare?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I thought about that after I typed it.
If he throws another tantrum….send his ass on.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 24, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
i think you were one
who posted craig’s mle vs lhp and then ddj was .832 ops vs rhp last year. that’ll give us close to .850 and with craig being the short end, we’ll get good d
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i am working on a fanpost about options for LF
I have looked at DeJesus. I don’t think he will come cheap.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
what could the royals want?
their manager is notoriously bad at valuing players. i can’t imagine it would take much more than say hamilton and and then on of our many A ball hard throwing relievers
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also
i’m warming to the idea of mike cameron
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i just really don't want to pa 10MM for 3 WAR
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oh i don't know
just saying. those numbers for league min, i want him to be a cardinal
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he hit the home run
that the one dude called in pre-game. Only a special guy can do that
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
anybody here
willing and able to show me how to do this?
pretty basic stuff, but i just started integrals
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nvm, got it
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Had to subject line that one.
I left that stuff behind me many, many moons ago. Gives me hives to think about it
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
This kid
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
It's Log, it's Log
It’s big, it’s heavy, it’s wood
It’s Log, it’s Log
It’s better than bad, it’s good!
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
by Solanus on Nov 23, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
for the awesome Ren and Stimpy reference. What a great show.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
....
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
Calc 2, yes fond memories
Not! It’s a summation so separate into two. Sorry about the lazy notation that I am going to employ:
int( 6x^-1 + x) dx = int (6x^1) dx + int(x)dx
Does that make sense?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Isn't it Thanksgiving break?
I have to commend you on your dedication in doing hw during the break.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
It's not Thanksgiving break until tomorrow for me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
rumblegrumblekidsthesedaysrumblegrumble
back in my day, i was taking the 8PM Wednesday flight home on thanksgiving. we had a two day holiday! two days, I tell you! I was in seminar until the afternoons in college! bah!
and get off my lawn!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
You had 4 days.
Unless you went to school on Saturday and Sunday.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Don't for get the +C
I always forgot about that until I related “Plus C” to a phonetically similar word that doesn’t have the L.
Not afraid to nitpick
That would be a helluva memory tool
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
My friend and I always wrote + some word that started with c.
Chocolate. Candy. Cookies. Clothes. It made math class better.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
The word I had in mind after reading the subject line was not related to sweet goods.
Not afraid to nitpick
A thousand times "This."
Especially given the comment it is responding to.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
That's what you think.
I’m totally kidding. I actually have no idea.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
yeah,
i always forget that dadblasted constant
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I always hated Calc
I pretty much had to take it. It was not part of my major but I took so many other math classes for electives I needed calc for my minor in math.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.........
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
And we have a winner...
Mauer is named AL MVP.
wow
Zobrist only got 11 votes and none higher than 6th…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
that is just one idiot though
there are 17 idiots that didnt vote for Zoby
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Cabrera’s first-place vote came from Keizo Konishi of Kyodo News, a member of the Seattle chapter.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
i dont think anyone that didnt vote for him took his UZR into consideration...
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
I've got a few as well if anyone feels slighted by the miscount
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Can I have one?! lol
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see, that might've been confusing if I hadn't previously read
Please note: ALL comments made by me are likely dripping in sarcasm.
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
sent
it may take a few days before your account gets set up. I think they still activate them manually, so there’s a bit of a delay.
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wave's been cookin' recently. I sent out 8 invites and I know 6 of them have already processed.
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Me! Me!
alxfritz at gmail
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
sent
Though I’ve gotta say, spants has much cooler handle variant for her gmail
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
she probably gets cooler spam, too.
Thanks!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I never notice it.
It rarely hits the Inbox. (YEAH YEAH THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID.)
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 23, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that might be confusing...
try this again:
evanfiskatgmail
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
melcacophony@gmail.com
if you still have them. been wanting to check this out
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sweet, thanks
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by prophetjohn on Nov 24, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
man
if only i knew people who had this
what did you do to accrue invites?
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by prophetjohn on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I just waited
took about a week to get 20 invites
by brackenthebox on Nov 24, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Josh Johnson...
…may be available, if the cheapo’s in Florida don’t wanna pay their best pitcher. Should we trade for this young gun? If so, what do we trade? Florida has some nice fruit to pick from their minors…
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I saw that earlier today
when I was making my rounds in the rumor mill. If we could package him with someone who helps our needs on the offensive side of the ball, like Ross or Uggla, then I’d be for it, but I get the sneaking suspicion that we don’t have a single player in our minor leagues that they are going to realistically want.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
You are correct.
If we look at the Beckett/Ramirez deal as a baseline to get an idea of what Florida would demand…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I highly doubt it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Too expensive for them
He is due to make ~$3.5 million this year and would be the 3rd or 4th highest paid guy on the team. They would get more value out of keeping Johnson and his $1.4 mil salary around.
Free Milton
If We Sucked Up..
….about 2.5 mil in Ludwick salary and threw in a couple of prospects?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Brett Walla....
oh. nevermind.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions
The real problem is that Beckett was traded along with two salary dump players,
and he wasn’t as good a pitcher as Josh Johnson is. I imagine he’s worth something like Henley/Descalso/Jay/Lynn- maybe more.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Wow. That would pretty much set us back aways on eggs in the basket.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty much
the whole shebang for one guy, but I agree with hazel — that’s probably what it would take. That, or one Colby Rasmus.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I would trade rasmus for johnson, maybe....
nah, maybe not, but it’s not totally crazy.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
it's totally crazy
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5 cost controlled seasons of a guy who ain't all that, yet
vs 3 cost controlled seasons of a bona fide badass ace.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
You must really not like Rasmus
to just give him away like that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 24, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
That's one way of like at it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Wow. What?
Um… forget that.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't as good a pitcher?
I wouldn’t go that far — Beckett 2005 = Johnson 2009 at the very least, and Beckett was pretty damn good when he wasn’t having blister problems. He also had a World Series MVP on his mantle and had proven himself in the postseason. I would venture to say that their trade value is about equal (in 2005 value) because of Beckett’s blister problems and the fact that he’d never had 30 starts or >180 innings in season. When he pitched he was a stud, he just wasn’t on the mound enough.
Beckett also had 4 seasons under his belt at the time, meaning he was heading into his Arb 2 year, while Johnson will be cost controlled for one full season longer than Beckett would have been at the time. I can see an argument for Johnson having more value to a trading team, but I don’t see how he’s a better pitcher than Beckett was in 2005 or that he’s a better pitcher than Beckett is right now — they are very comparable pitchers, imo.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Easy to see what Ramirez is today
But no way he was as highly thought of. He had some down years in the minors before he got traded
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
He was the Red Sox #1 prospect at the time of the deal
He was VERY highly thought of despite his minor league numbers at the time.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Hanley was BA's #10 prospect in all of baseball the year he was traded
doesn’t get much more highly thought of than that.
In any event, we don’t have the high-celing prospects to deal for Johnson. I don’t see a pupu platter of of 4th outfielders (Henley, Jay, et al) and low-ceiling starters (all but Miller) as being all that enticing.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 23, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think the sox envisioned
him being a perennial MVP candidate, however highly they thought of him.
some of this trade talk is likely negotiating – hey josh, how does pittsburgh sound? what does florida gain by trading him now?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Trade him while his value is highest
He obviously doesn’t want to stay there long term, and he is coming off a good year with some time left.
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
is his value highest?
and what makes you think he doesn’t want to stay in florida when he is rejecting a 3-yr. deal because he wants 4…in florida?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
You do have to pretty much trade for aces
You almost never sign an ace. Always home grown or traded for.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Who said he didn't want to stay?
Florida doesn’t want him on a four year deal, so they’re probably going to be dealing him.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
i was replying to taskmaster
who said exactly that,
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well, I meant that it wasn't going to work out
I apologize for the confusion :P
But yeah, the meat of my point is that the Marlins will not be able to shell out the 20 million or more that the Yankees can shell out, so why not trade him and maybe get a Lars Anderson + other great prospects?
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
I f'ing hate their ownership
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:03 AM EST up reply actions
Of course they didn't
however, they had an expensive SS at the time (Renteria) and we’re looking for an ace pitcher to help them make a run at another World Series. Which they happened to win. With the throw in player in that trade being and All-Star that season as well as the MVP of the World Series.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
What do you guys think if we lose out on Holliday
Signing a few Type A free agents that have their value drop by a large margin. The Juan Cruz and Orlando Hudson’s of the world. With all the Arbitration we will have a 1st Rnder + 3 supplemental. Some marginal Type A’s who’s value will be affected by having to give up a draft pick.
Orlando Hudson
Polanco
Miguel Tejada
Johnny Damon
Randy Wolf
Mike Gonzalez
Kevin Gregg
Rafael Soriano
Billy Wagner
Rafael Betancourt
Octavio Dotel
LaTroy Hawkins
Darren Oliver
Now I am not even saying we should sign any of these guys really. Just guys who’s value most likely be low enough if offered Arbitration it makes sense. Like if you sign 3 of those guys. The 3rd guy you are only giving up a 3rd Round pick for. While other teams would be giving up their first.
Ih Yer List My Interest Would Be....
…in Wolf, Soriano, Wagner, Damon, Gonzales, and Dotel, in that order. Wolf would make a nice replacement for Pinero, and is a lefty; Soriano gives us an-udder guy in the pen with a strong arm and with closer experience, in case Franklin pulls a Franklin. Wagner seems to still have something left in the tank, although he is old and may be very expensive, if he even wants to play anymoore; Damon is, well, the best of what’s left if we don’t get Holliday (or even bay), although Byrd might be a better choice. Gonzalez is decent but injury-prone. I liked Dotel last year, and he’s ok, but he’d be moore expensive and he doesn’t do as well vs lefties.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
wagner wants to play
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he shouldn't have caught that degenerative eye condition then...
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
I seriously heard a rimshot when I read that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 24, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
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There's not a single guy on that list
that I would give up a #1 pick for. We desperately need to restock our farm system, and having multiple first round picks is a good way to do that, assuming Holliday walks.
Who on that list gives us more than a 1 WAR upgrade over the person that they’d replace or another player that we could obtain on the FA market without giving up a pick?
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
. . . or another player that we could obtain on the FA market without giving up a pick?
We touched on this in the hot stove thread. The market should already be pricing these guys accordingly, i.e. any of the type A guys above should be getting contracts worth $4-5M less than they would if they weren’t type A.
The trick here, if I understand it, is that after you’ve signed one type A, the marginal cost of the 2nd, 3rd, etc is lower. As a result, when you sign your second type A, they only cost you an extra $2M (pulled our of my ass) as opposed to the $4M that it costs another team to sign them. As such, there is some bistability where it makes sense to either sign zero or multiple type A’s.
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ok -- see if you can follow my reasoning here:
- None of the players that are listed there are a big enough upgrade, at whatever price, to justify losing a #1 pick in next June’s draft. There are type B FA and other non-ranked FA out there that will provide the value of nearly all of those guys if they happen to be Type A compensation players. Even if the market prices them down monetarily, I see no reason to sign any of them and give up top round talent to do so.
- If a bona fide 3-4 WAR LF were in the mix above (say, Matt Holliday if he was traded to the Cubs instead) then I would say go for it, and then get one of these guys, preferably one of the closer types, with the second pick. But there aren’t any Matt Holliday’s on that list.
- I firmly believe that our second and third round picks are more valuable because of our scouting department (Luhnow Inc.) than the average second round picks would be spread across baseball.
I don’t disagree that they will be undervalued assets on the free agent market if they carry Type A compensation, I just don’t see anyone on that list that helps us out enough next season to be worth giving up a first round draft pick for.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I disagree somewhat
Damon is worth it. He is a lot better than I thought especially when I dug deeper.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
he had a career year at age 35
i would pass
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
them's fightin' words
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I did quite a bit of research on Damon
His UZR numbers being so down won’t last. It was all from bad range. But if you look at his other speed related numbers they were down but still some of the best in baseball. He crushes righties and would be a perfect platoon partner with Craig.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
i bet a Damon/Craig platoon would be worth 4 and half wins
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't mean a duel with me
i could go with that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Especially sitting in the 2 spot in the lineup
Paired with a Felipe Lopez signing to play 3rd base I think our offense would be really good. Craig could even do some platooning at 3rd with Lopez allowing Lopez to platoon with Skip some at 2B. You could even get really crazy and let Skip do some OF work in place of Ludwick. You would have incredible flexibility in your positioning, lineup and hitter-handedness.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
I ran this through Pinto's lineup toy
And got 5.077 runs per game.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
i don't really like Lopez
Would rather have Freese plus money
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Doubtful he'll be offered arb
His range wouldn’t be much of an issue at 3B. You can almost guarantee a .350-.360 OBP from Lopez. I am vary wary of giving the job to Freese. I know he is getting old but I still don’t think there is enough of a MiLB track record. I am much more comfortable with Craig’s track record especially if he will see mostly lefties.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
You could get Lopez and Damon
For probably about 15mil leaving money for Smoltz or the like.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
freeze will be fine
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Based on what?
I like Craig’s bat more. I would rather work him into the lineup. He also brings more positional flexibility (although TLR might disagree).
I’m not a Freese hater. I just think that we could use some proven OBP ability. Not making outs is the name of the game on offense.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
This would be my roster
Carpenter –
WW
Lohse
Smoltz
Garcia
Franklin
McClellan
Motte
Hawk
Boggs
Miller
Reyes
Skip
Damon
Pujols
Ludwick
Lopez
Rasmus
Molina
Ryan
Brian Schneider
Lugo
Reed Johnson
Craig
Freese
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
i'd rather have arod at third
but realistically it will be freeze. and he’ll be fine. hell, they were comfortable with him in 09 but then the injury. i am a fo and tlr truster. they will have a platoon option for craig in lf so tlr doesn’t have angina attack. that’s the easier position to adequately fill, and we can move in the summer if need be on third, but we’ll be fine, trust me – also, i have this car, it’s pretty nice, only 67,000 miles…
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Also -- have you looked at Damon's home/away split from 2009?
He had a .915 OPS at Yankee Stadium, with it’s jet stream towards the short porch in right field, and hit 17 of his 24 homers there in 73 games.
In 70 games on the road he hit 7 homers and had a .795 OPS. Not good, not good at all.
His career UZR as a left fielder is 2.9 in ~4700 innings played. He was 12.9 last year. Let’s assume for a second that he improves to a 0 UZR in LF - I find it hard to believe that he’s going to be worth more than 3 WAR in LF if you take him out of Yankee Stadium.
I would say that same thing about Jorge Posada (1.013 OPS at home, .760 OPS on the road). Most of the LHH that play for the Yankees (except Matsui and Swisher, who strangely hit much better on the road) have a much better home split because of the ridiculous RF pennant porch and the jet-stream that carries balls out of the yard that direction.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
There is no lack of short RF porches in the NL Central
Cincinnnati, Houston, and Pittsburgh all have short distances to RF. Also, Wrigley is really short to the power alley. Plus he would be moving out of the toughest division in baseball into one of the easier divisions. I think you could safely project at least .815 OPS from him.
If not Damon, my second choice would be Eric Hinske.
I am worried about the roster and lineup becoming too static and thin if we resign Holliday. Furthermore, I think that devoting 40% of your payroll to 2 players really puts a crimp in the Cards ability to address other areas of the team as needs change and arise in the future.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
I think your prediction is awfully rosy
Considering these facts:
- His career OPS is only .794
- He’ll be 36 years old.
- He has never played in the National League.
- His 2009 OPS was .854, but…..
- His 2009 slugging percentage was the second highest of his career.
- His 17.8% strikeout rate was the highest of his career.
- His ISO was the highest of his career.
Do you honestly believe that he isn’t due for a pretty hefty regression to the mean? Or do you think that he’s truly hitting his stride as a 36 year old with 15 big league seasons under his belt?
I’m not giving up a draft pick for a guy who was pretty terrible on defense last year and could possibly regress to a sub .800 OPS next season.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
It might be rosy but
He is likely to gain an edge going from the AL East to the NL Central. There is no analog to Halladay, Beckett or Lester in our division. Plus he gets to beat up on the PIT, MIL and CIN staffs and play is some pretty LH friendly ballparks.
Yes he is 36 years old. However, his walk rate is still really good. I don’t believe one year worth of UZR telling me that his defense has fallen off a cliff.
On top of that I think the chance of him being offered arb by the Yanks is slim. Based on him earning 13mil last year he would be insane not to just accept it and get a raise. Surely the Yanks know this and as a result they will either sign him before the arb deadline or they won’t offer it to him.
There is no way I would advocate signing Damon if the draft pick compensation is attached. I agree with you on that. I just disagree with your reasoning for why he will decline.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Damon has a career .794 OPS
but he has bettered that in EVERY SEASON but one since 2004.
He has a career wOBA of .351 but has bettered that every season but one since 2004.
Bill James projects that he’ll basically hit his career line next year, which I don’t think is unreasonable (perhaps even a little pessimistic). He’s moving to a pitchers’ park in an easier division, so I can’t see him regressing hugely. He’s been a plus defender in LF.
So you’re right, a regression below an .800 OPS seems more than possible, but he’ll still be a 3+ WAR guy. I agree that I wouldn’t want to waste a draft pick +$10m on that, but if for whatever reason the Yanks don’t offer arby (and I think he’ll probably accept if they do, so it’s kinda moot) he’d not be a bad move. Far from my favourite (I think DDJ or even Hinske could put up similar production in a platoon with Craig) but I don’t think it’d be a disaster.
But yeah, I agree about the draft pick. If anything, I’d rather blow it on Wagner or someone (even though I was against that, too).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Cameron is a better player than Damon is, especially when you consider his positional flexibility and the fact that he hits right handed and kills lefties.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Are you saying that you value our draft pick more than the $4-5M that I'm assuming
or that none of those guys are worth a $4-5M total value contract if they weren’t type A.
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying that I'd rather have Mike Cameron or Austin Kearns or Jack Cust
or a platoon of John Jay and Allen Craig and our draft pick more than any of the guys on that list minus our draft pick. I don’t think that any of those guys are better than non-type A free agents who would be available.
Especially since we’re making the assumption that Holliday is leaving here, netting us another pick, most likely in the back of the first round. If they offer Glaus, DeRosa, and Piniero, we’re looking at our pick plus another first rounder, plus 4 sandwich picks = 6 picks in the top 80 this coming year. I really like our chances to re-stock our farm system quickly with that many picks, especially with 2 from 15-30 spots in the first round.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I like his Cameron but loses so much of his value when he is not playing CF
I know the thought of restocking the farm. But what if they have a set amount they want to spend. Higher the draft pick the more money they have to spend. So they might have good supplement picks but not enough money to sign a high reward player but a Kozma
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
They say the money is there for Holliday
Which means that if they DON’T sign Holliday, there damn well better be some money to spend on signing bonuses, which shouldn’t be that high in the back of the draft anyway, regardless of who else we sign, mainly because there is no fucking way said free agent + 2 signing bonuses = Holliday + Wagner Mateo. Absolutely not possible.
I think the days of taking Pete Kozma because of signability issues are over. As proof I provide the Brett Wallace and Shelby Miller picks. They are taking the best talent at their draft spot in the first round the last two drafts — I suspect they’ll stick with that strategy.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
yes
for the relative outlay it’s stupid not to take the best player.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
+1000000
I never, ever want to see us pass up the best talent in the top rounds of the draft again for the sake of saving a million or two (i.e. the price of one year of Dennys F’ing Reyes at MLB level…).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
i agree with that last paragraph
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 24, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
you say that but that is when we had no supplement picks
You add 4 extra 1st round to 2nd round picks and it changes. I think they keep the money separate. They have a budget for minor leaguers and a budget for the major league.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think we'll be targetting reasonably advanced college relievers with some of the supplemental/early round picks this time
to replace the ton of RP arms we lost in trades this year. The Joe Kelly/Scott Bittle (and even Robert Stock) picks from last played into this strategy – guys who’ll get to the high minors in 1-2 years and have a high chance of being useful RP arms in the majors, but with no real SP upside.
Those guys don’t often demand huge signing bonuses and have a pretty high chance of rapid success compared to other types of players – useful if you need some ammo to trade, and a good way to restock the pen internally. I quite like it as an organisational strategy.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
seems clever
and i trust our drafts and strategy moving forward
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Why does Cameron automatically lose a ton of value when he's moved out of CF?
He loses something like 1.5 WAR for positional adjustment, but he’ll go from “slightly above-average CF” (i.e. like +5 runs) to “absolutely awesome LF/RF” (i.e. like +15-20 runs). The difference in skillset required to play the two roles is sufficiently small that it shouldn’t negatively impact on his value THAT much IMO; the positional adjustment merely adjusts for the relative standard of the average player at either position (in CF, very good, in LF, very bad).
Also, if I sign Cameron, I’d probably just play him in CF to keep him happy if that’s what he wants to do. I personally don’t trust Colby’s UZR from this year, based on my own observation alone (I’d say he’s “somewhat above average” rather than “absolutely amazing”, based on his noodley arm and seeming unwillingness to dive at the extremes of his (admittedly impressive) range), and I don’t think we’d lose more than a run or two overall by using Cameron in CF (where he’s established, over a LARGE sample size, to be above average) and putting Colby in LF (where he’d almost certainly be comparatively excellent, and where I feel his arm might be less exposed).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:38 AM EST up reply actions
i don't get the clobby arm thingy
the dude pitched in the 90’s. just doesn’t seem to get his feet set and body behind him when he throws, yet has been playing cf for years.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
He threw a few lasers this season.
But mostly his arm looked more feeble than expected.
Now with extra feisty!
I really don't want anyone on that list
…..well maybe polanco or oliver
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Nov 23, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oliver????
you want to spend out first round pick on one year of a 40-year-old set-up guy?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
I was wondering if somebody could explain or send me to where
I could find out how they come up with ballpark and league values. I’m not sure I even said that correctly.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions
For players?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah.
I was just wondering about when they are figuring some of the metrics and use different league/ballpark adjustments, how did they come up with those adjustments.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
"Intro to Sabrmetrics"
This link from THT is a good start on sabrmetrics. I don’t know if this is what you’re after, though.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/intro-to-sabermetrics/
(This was posted by our very own vivaelpujols.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Thanks for that. I still didn't see what I was looking for.
Maybe I just dreamed it up. I will have to keep looking.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Are you asking where the park factors come from?
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Now I feel stupid for not noticing that before.
Of course, I damn near went blind from the math. Thanks tho.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Brack answered my ballpark question.
For some reason I had never noticed that part of B-R, don’t know why. Is the way they figure for leagues the same as the parks or did I dream that up?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 23, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
He won't be unanimous
fucking Haudricourt will find a way to vote for Jayson Werth or something…
You know, they don’t BELIEVE that any player should be voted anything unanimously, despite being nearly a full win better than any other player in the league.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Someone will vote Kaz Matsui...
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nah
yuni escobar all the way
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Yonder Alonso.
…only cause his first name is awesome. I say Yonder all the time when describing location.
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So I am writing an extensive fanpost on all possible OF options
Who am I missing? I have Ludwick, Rasmus, Craig, Damon, Marlon Byrd, David DeJesus, Shelley Duncan, Brian Giles, Xavier Nady, Reed Johnson, and Erik Hinske so far
bay
swisher
kearns
dye
vlad
murton
reed johnson
catalannotto
baldelli
winn
kotsay
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
cameron
kearns
murton
branyan
willingham
ccraw
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
that's what...
ah, fuck it
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
holliday
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
ankiel
jay
robinson
stavinoha
DeRosa
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 23, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Screw these guys.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
damn them all to hell?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I am talking about platoon splits so
Have the lines of avg/obp/slg/ops/babip/uzr for
2008
2009
2008 vs LHP
2008 vs RHP
2009 vs LHP
2009 vs RHP
2010 Projection
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
i hear murton's UZR against LHP is just unreal.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
when I gave up my own wordpress install for SBN fame and fortune
I was told there would no longer be any SQL.
Completely OT:
I want to make a Linux live CD. Does anyone have a particular recommendation for which Linux distribution I should use? It’s not for a netbook, so no Easy Peasy.
Now with extra feisty!
unless you have a reason to avoid it
I’d just go with Ubuntu. The widespread adoption makes life much easier even if it might not be the “best” distribution for your needs. Personally, I use Fedora, but that’s mainly due to inertia.
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
it is for hacking
It is a network security tool box. I enjoy cracking into peoples bluetooth
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
you say that now
If you don’t mind. What do you need it for
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
I need it b/c I’m running 2005 XP Media Center and it could use a reinstall. Sadly, I don’t have the disk. I can use my husband’s computer for Photoshop and iTunes, so I don’t really need to have Windows on this machine. And if I run across the CD (unlikely) I can always do a dual installation.
I wanted to try some live CDs first to see what I like.
Now with extra feisty!
Just rock ChromeOS. It's the most pointless OS out there!
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careful
when researching how to play mlb.tv on my ps3, i discovered that i can install linux on it but linux doesn’t support a flash plugin or something of the sort that is needed to run mlb.tv
just torrent a copy of xp
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
linux has flash
and it does run mlb.tv, I would know
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
then it's something
about the ps3 that won’t run mlb.tv
maybe not. if so, i can actually use the hd functionality of mlb.tv. would be sweet
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
mlb.tv works fine on linux
I use it regularly. I don’t think you can nexdef it though
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
i would find a torrent of XP 2005
And just reuse your serial code. Do a fresh install
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'd quit being such a nerd
and go kick some ass.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'm extra fiesty tonight
Wed morning can’t get here fast enough.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Flim's gonna hack your phone
to punch you in the nuts
cyber-terrorism is serious business
by brackenthebox on Nov 23, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
not much of a nut puncher
But I do enjoy a good hack. I just like the challenge not really the results. Like picking a lock you already have the key to.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 23, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
ubuntu
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Anyone seen the movie "The Fan"
Robert DeNiro/Wesley Snipes
Just watched it and…hm. I liked it.
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Haha, I'm no delusional fan, I just thought it was a pretty good thriller.
…up until the end. Coulda ended a little better, but overall, pretty good.
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isn't it like 20 years old?
i saw that in the theaters man. good flick at the time, haven’t seen it sence so i don’t know how well it’s held up against the test of time
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Made in '96.
I watched “The Taking of Pelham 123” the other day, saw it was directed by Tony Scott, and went to watch a couple more of his movies. I like his work with NUMB3RS and I really liked Pelham. Seeing that “The Fan” was a baseball-related movie, I kinda had to downlo…watch it.
Found it weird that Rottentomatoes gave it a 39%, but then again, if it’s not an indie flick, anything over 20% is good.
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ah so it's only 13 then
96 sure feels like 20 years ago, that’s when i graduated high school
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Yes
I thought it was above average.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:53 AM EST up reply actions
Happy Thanksgibbon!
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I am having a hard time accepting tonight's episode
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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that Lily comes from the seed of Chris Elliott
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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ah, yeah he was an interesting choice
i thought they could have done better
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Thanks a lot dickface
I haven’t seen it yet.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 23, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
it has nothing to do with the plot of the show
but yeah, sorry bout that
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i quickly scrolled over this thread
Since I also have not seen the episode yet.
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I was actually pissed off at myself once I hit
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What are some examples of all-time great players that popular knowledge has overlooked
due to them not hitting an eye popping amount of home runs.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
Though he hit a lot, I think Edgar Martinez was significantly underrated.
Due to playing in Griff’s and A-Rod’s shadows.
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Maybe Ryan Klesko?
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He had a very short prime
and was almost strictly a platoon player on both sides of his prime years. I would venture to say that he was overrated for his ABILITY to hit a lot of home runs. If you take away his home run numbers he really isn’t that impressive of a hitter.
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disagree somewhat
acknowledged great hitter, interesting exercises he did with his eyes/reaction time, maybe griff, randy, and arod even inadvertently drew him more attention than overshadowed him, considering he was in seattle. the main problem is DH label and thus HOF qualifications. i would love if he was first predominantly-DH HOF’er. in my mind, better than good manny, a notch below apu as RH hitters go – about arod.
Roberto Alomar? are you looking for non-HOF’ers?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Bobby Grich..
15 year middle infielder… reportedly had good range… got on base 3000 times out of 8000 PAs. Only 1800 hits, 220 home runs though, hardly anyone has heard of him.
His first year on the HOF ballot he got 11 votes and was dropped from future ballots.
MB for LF in 2010!
Rabbit Maranville
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
oh and Harold Baines
his career numbers deserve recognition.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
The 3rd base coach for the White Sox??
I have one of his cards from 1991.
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is he a third base coach?
yes though, the white sox player
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OLERUD!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
rogers hornsby
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i don't think i'm doing it right
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
If somebody underrates the Raj, let me know
and they will get kicked in the shins.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Good question
- Bobby Grich for sure
- Orlando Cepeda, even though he’s in the Hall of Fame
- Will Clark, as much as I hate the fuckin’ guy…
- Mark Grace
- Kent Hrbek
- Dave Parker
- Tim Raines
- Dwight Evans
- Kirk Gibson
- Steve Garvey
- Keith Hernandez
- Lou Whitaker
Most of these guys had career OPS+ rates of better than 120, and the guys that don’t, like Whitaker and Garvey were incredible defensive players who hit for high average and got on base a ton during their careers.
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Thank you everyone
I’m writing a research paper for some boring English class, and I figured that I may as well make it interesting. This is more than enough, thanks again.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 24, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Raines remains super-underrated IMO
.385 OBP in a 23 year career. 85% SB success rate over nearly 1000 attempts.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions
Guess what basketball team just scored 102 points?
Chances are you guessed right! Clemson’s!
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Make that Clemson.
I was going to say something else and now that makes no sense.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Of course!
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
against?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Winthrop.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
what did winthrop get
i was interested in that game, if you recall
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66.
And two technical fouls. They were fouling like crazy.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
was it like playing at duke for the visitor?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
No.
Someone elbowed Tanner Smith, the nicest guy in the world, in the face. Knocked him down. They were pretty blatant fouls. Clemson wasn’t that clean either. Especially when the scrubs came in. Clemson had some pretty blatant fouls and a very blatant missed call in Winthrop’s favor. Clemson was just the better team.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Clemson's v. Illinois a week from Wed!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
In related news
The Iowa School for the Blind also scored 102 points against Winthrop. In a half.
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That's impressive.
I’m glad we don’t play them.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
You DO play UNC and Duke. Who are pretty good from what I hear.
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I foresee a bad outcome for clemson
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We kicked Duke's sorry butt last year. 74-47.
Those are always good games. Even if we lose.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Ahhhh, remember when Wayne Ellington beat Clemson on the buzzer beater
Love being a ’Heels fan.
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by vexedtechie on Nov 24, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I never said anything about beating UNC.
Just Duke. I like UNC. hate Duke. So there I think we can agree.
Also i will not be watching that clip and may collapse your comment.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Wait can't do that it's in the subject line.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
It's okay, I've watched it thrice now.
…also I re-watched the 09 National Championship game tonight, since I couldn’t watch the game vs Gardner-Webb.
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by vexedtechie on Nov 24, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
And just in case...
…Danny Green lightin’ it up from outside the arc in the 2nd game.
I don’t hate Clemson. I just can’t stand losing to other ACC schools.
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I may start liking Duke if you keep this up buddy.
Watch it.
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It's okay, I got vid for that too.
Green Beans. Green Tea. However you wanna call it.
Danny Green posterizing Paulus.
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We really are complete opposites in our sports allegiances.
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wow fighting sarcasm with sarcasm
nice
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OT: A Resolution
I would like to propose a resolution that VEB adopt the Kirkwood Pioneers in the upcoming annual Turkey Day game. Aside from their higher moral character than the Webster “Statesmen”, their Cardinal red color scheme (orange = bleh) is far more consistent with this blog and its readership.
Go Pioneers!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
WHO’S GOING TO STATE?THAT’S RIGHT! WEBSTER GROVES IS!
Who cares if Kirkwood wins, it’s a stupid JV game. Y’all should be cheering for Webster on principle anyway because the varsity football team was undefeated this year so Webster deserves the bell.
Notice how this Webster Statesman did not insult Kirkwood’s character. I think that says a lot about our moral character.
As to orange, y’all let me comment here don’t you?
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
At least Kirkwood's varsity is an actual HS team
I saw Webster play Vianney and some of the Webster guys were gigantic and clearly not high schoolers, thus making the case for Webster’s low moral character.
I know everyone on that team.
They’re all high schoolers.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 23, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Daquan Bowers was huge when he came here.
He was a high schooler the year before.
That linebacker or something we had before, Adrian Clayborne, who plays for Iowa now was huge in high school. Your argument lacks facts. it’s all circumstantial.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
dude, really?
are you really going to go there?
WG ’08
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Don't hate '08.
Don’t hate, Decorate!
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
you're just jealous of our state titles
just like parkway north. you resort to to stuff like that instead of just accepting we’re awesome.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Can you blame them?
Just kind of feel sorry for them. They’re quite like Gamecock fans in that respect.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
It's rivalry week for ClemsonGirl.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
and here i thought it was the lack of sleep that had you all fired up
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Both.
And HOME tomorrow!
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
ALREADY THERE!!!!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
That's not very nice.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
haha
i got the shit last year. now it’s my turn to brag that i’m home.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
there's no place like home, there's no place like home
there’s no place like home
nope, that crap still doesn’t work
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good food :)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
no :)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I just read
That Truman just got its first Rhodes Scholar
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
really?
awesome. guess who it was
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
bitch want to take this off board?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
where's fritz?
tell him his shitty ass football team better win on saturday.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions
Who is fritz's football team?
Illinois?
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
yeah.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Why do they need to win?
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
cincinatti
get the big east BS out of the undefeated.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
i'm going to take a picture of me in all my orange on saturday and send it to your email
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
i'm actually going to be completely naked
just drenched in orange paint.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
THREE ABOUT TO BE FOUR STATE TITLES!!
DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Don't jinx it!
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
No you're right...
I’m going to root for Webster! I can already taste the championship champagne! Woo! State champions! No need to even play the game, just hand us the trophy! Woo!
jealousness
sour grapes
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
what?
why the fuck are you a kirkwood fan then?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I assume he lives in Kirkwood.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I probably live about 5 minutes at the most from you.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
My kids go to MQP and we live 4 blocks West of there
On the real Elm avenue, not the crappy Webster one.
i know your family
mwhahahahaha
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not good with streets.
I’m not picturing where this is.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
NE corner of Elm and Hawbrook
One block North of Lockwood. Two blocks East or Sappington and Hanneke’s.
That was unhelpful.
Because now there are many directions. I need landmarks.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what that is.
I thought it was another street.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
That I know.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
This doesn't help.
I don’t know what direction North is.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
I’ve heard this is true of women.
I can’t wait until my daughter starts driving. She’ll destroy me.
I think it's true of most people.
It’s certainly not true of me, but it is of my husband.
Now with extra feisty!
My friend
who mind you is often full of crap says that men have an instinctual sense of direction from back in the day when they hunted. I don’t know if it’s right. Just repeating it. I think he’s full of himself so I take everything he says with a grain of salt.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think boys are taught these skills
in Boy Scouts. Girls aren’t usually taught the same things in Girl Scouts.
Now with extra feisty!
My mother did teach me
that in St. Louis if you can see the arch that direction’s east. I obviously could have figured that out but she shared with me. She used to be a courier so she has a very good sense of direction.
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a courier?
ever been to colombia?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Oh that Colombia.
Too late to notice spelling changes. Very funny.
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Fortunately, the Cub Scouts at MQP...
…open up most of their camp-outs to families, so the girls get a chance to do fishing and archery and stuff.
We’re quite liberated, in that way.
That's really cool.
When my brother was in Boy Scouts, they would let sisters come along sometimes. Not for camp-outs but for day-long excursions. I liked it more than Girl Scouts, which I outgrew almost immediately.
Now with extra feisty!
I think it's true on average...
…and was probably more true in the past, but it’s less true because it’s not as important. Back in the day, guys like that would get lost and die. Now they have a GPS.
I have an incredible sense of direction, and always know which way is North.
I have a GPS.
I would get lost and die without it.
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City driving is easy
It is a grid system based around highways
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 24, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
i have the worst sense of direction
another reason i am a huge disappointment to my parents because my dad was a truck driver & could never get lost
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I've probably passed it.
Which way is north when you’re on Adams at Sappington? Left or right? heading towards Downtown Kirkwood.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
If you're going from Webster to Kirkwood...
…which is totally understandable, North is on your right.
Is Hanneke's
either a store/soda fountain looking thing or a shop in the area of town with the fire dept and town hall?
And of course it is understandable to be headed that way… West County mall is that way.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, it's the store/soda fountain place
My house is just East (back toward Webster) from Hanneke’s. My kids go to Hanneke’s most every day after school.
You know what’s weird? So did Sean Hornbeck. I’m sure I laid eyes on him multiple times, but never knew it.
I have been wanting to go there.
It looks very nice. I never saw a name though.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
SCF, You, and I ought to meet at KECC
…over the weekend and hash out this whole Webster/Kirkwood thing and prove who’s boss.
We’ll do feats of strength or have a spitting contest or something.
It is neutral ground.
Kind of.
Not really.
Crestwood Mall is more neutral. It’s in the Lindbegh school district and no one goes there anymore.
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That mall is pathetic
I can’t believe it’s still open.
Is anything left in there?
They should bulldoze it and build a sports complex to house the rivalry game.
I go to West County...
..because I know there are model/talent scouts there and I’m hoping to be discovered.
My favorite malls:
1. Galleria
2. West County
3. Chesterfield
4. South County
5. Plaza Frontenac (you can’t actually buy anything there but it’s still fun)
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what's your talent?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
small market
but big fish
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sorry you like shitty football then
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
no state titles? hello
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
you wouldn't say that if you had 3 and webster had none
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Comparing private to public schools is unfair.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
blue springs vs desmet?
that worked well…
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, we tended to get our butts kicked by the big public schools in State
Stupid Columbia Hickman and Lee’s Summit.
yeah
the multiplier finally kills you there…
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I thought we were talking academics
and sports not handegg.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't count if you do it.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
dude i went there
don’t accuse me of being bandwagon.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
fine
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
jinx jinx double jinx
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
be a man and go over
and play e stl
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they suck
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
ha
how many nfl players they got?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
check that fang
and go to IHSA site and see how many track and field and football titles they have, and that is with chicago schools in the mix, like mt. carmel. ever hear of kellen winslow?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
there are many more
with montana’s 49ers, etc. jackie joyner and her brother in track and field, too. perhaps the most dominant hs in the country over time.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
oh
and since the day, there is no more lincoln (darius miles) or assumption (jerome heavens, rb, notre dame of course), so that’s all incorporated now into e st louis senior – there is not a high school in america that competes methinks. i’ll have to look up their football for this year, as i know last year they played in the championship game and lost a wide receiver who played in the televised hs all-star games but returned the qb and a better wr and a killer rb. they probably put 15 or so guys d1 per year compared to…what does wg do?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I was in bed.
But, yes, I really hope I can find an ABC feed that is showing the game while in Mexico Saturday. Nothing like having an epicly shitty season then getting to play the spoiler your last game of the year.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
What time will the MVP party start tomorrow?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
NOW
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
woo hoo MVP!!!
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
12:30 CT...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Don't jinx it!
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
superstitious much?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
but we're not the cubs
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you got me there
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You guys need to help me come up with more sayings for
I was going to make it a fanpost but can’t run scripts in it. So will have one of the mods throw in a main post some time
How about"don't ask me Carpenter can solve this"
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Yes or my name isn't Boromir Velasquez!
Really, the only bad part of bacon is that it makes you thirsty . . . for more bacon
That's what Colby's VEB name is destined to become.
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So how long exactly did A-Rod finally admit he did steroids?
Does anyone remember the final answer.
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limited to his time in texas
he says.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
a game in may
is just as important as a game in sept/oct? answered by a commenter on fangraphs article, re cabrera first-place vote. sure, had he gotten drunk and cost his team a game or series in april or may, no big deal. ummm, but he did it at crunch time – it’s a long season, gets heated at the end, and those games matter more. can anyone really dispute that, other than the obvious a win is a win, a loss is a loss argument? no context? c’mon, be serious. insert the cardinals and apu and tell me what you really think. sometimes it’s like being around a bunch of math pedants. where are all the psychologists?
anyway, rant over. just ask TLR his opinion.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
errr, not quite over
forgot my main point.
props to DanUp for acknowledging that this sea-change is forced. as much as i got from VEP’s primer on sabermetrics, i silently took issue to his immediate inference that lincecum won the cy due to the fact that he won the fangraphs WAR (or whatever the metric, i forget). it would have been just as true and relevant (or moreso, imo) had he said, in that first paragraph, that lincecum led in strikeouts – yet he framed it differently.
i find it unbecoming for people to pat themselves on the back for something they had nothing to do with and in fact never even occurred. i’m not saying i oppose sabermetrics – quite the contrary. but when i judge talent i have no numbers on which to go, and neither would you if this talent did not reach the professional level. i do not believe that bill james is a “stat nerd” but rather a “concept guy” – numbers mean nothing if you don’t know which are worth exploring.
i don’t understand when posters cite UZR, for example, when it’s obvious they’ve never even seen the player perform. even fangraphs says when there’s a discrepancy between eyeball and UZR, cut it in half. and if that UZR is based on a full-season (SSS) and the eyeball on 4 or 5 or 10 games, which assessment do you think is being given more weight – the trained eye or the number?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The smaller the sample the more you trust the eye
As the sample grows, you trust the data more.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 24, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
that is a cool and profound thought.
signature material.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 24, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
we had a big discussion about this a few days back
in the Cy Young thread. I was arguing that every game in the season is equally important. Others disagreed. I kinda changed my mind, but I still feel that in most situations the “weighting” given to late season games is ridiculously exaggerated by media types.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 24, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
media types are idiots
hang out with the real sources with the fake names
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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