Wainwright for Carpenter, Carpenter for Wainwright, Somebody for DeJesus
by DanUpBaby on Nov 16, 2009 6:00 AM EST
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At the P-D they're taking good advantage of the Cardinals' dual Cy Young candidates, as they've gotten both Wainwright and Carpenter on record as being Spartacus. (I would have liked one more, maybe PINEIRO: Why Joel Pineiro should win the Cy Young.)
For my money Wainwright's take on Carpenter is more interesting:
But we should talk about this year. This year he just out-executed everybody. If he wouldn't have lost that time because of injury, would we even be talking about this? [...] When you're facing Chris Carpenter, the opposing pitcher had to throw a shutout, or he didn't have a chance. The opposing team, I have to believe, probably went into the game against Chris Carpenter preparing to be shut out.[...]
No one has taught me more than Chris Carpenter. You know the story. After a start this year, Chris pulls me in to look at some video - old film, new film, all of it. He said my arm slot was 3 or 4 inches different, and the next day we're playing catch and with each throw he's telling me if it's right. Nope. Yep. Nope. Nope. Yep. Not just anybody can do that, can see from 60 feet a difference of less than 5 inches in every throw. After that, my fastball had movement. I got my slider back. I had confidence in my pitches.
If you want to make an argument for team chemistry being important, for good clubhouse guys making a difference, I think this is the one to make, not the Affable Kevin Millar Defense. Your dopey designated hitter giving somebody the hot-foot to Loosen Things Up probably won't make a significant difference in the standings or the clubhouse. (As is the case with matters of attendance, it's always seemed to me that the difference between a good clubhouse and a tense clubhouse, at least as far as the fans and reporters are able to tell, is how often the team's winning.)
But I can see the value in superstars who happen to be interested in and preternaturally gifted at things often left to the coaches. It's one thing if Dave Duncan tells you your arm slot is different; it's another if Chris Carpenter, who is touching 96 miles per hour right now, at this very moment, says so while you're both loosening up.
There was a brief discussion in Saturday's post about David DeJesus as a possible trade target, should the Cardinals not go the SIGN MATT HOLLIDAY‽ route. It's tough to suggest parting with some faberge eggs with all that money just lying around, but DeJesus is an interesting player, and worth the bullet point treatment.
- It's interesting that Daryl Jones came up as a possible trade chit, because DeJesus seems like a reasonable facsimile of the player we hope DJ Tools might become. At his best he hits .290 to .300, with just enough power to avoid the empty-average tag and just enough walks to be a guy with good plate discipline. He can play center field, but he's not great at it, which makes him a defensive asset in a corner. If you have a full outfield, this kind of guy is a tweener; if you don't, he's a cheap and effective fix at either position. The major difference between DeJesus and DaJones?
- David DeJesus should never try to steal a base again. This is a list, grabbed from the awesome new Baseball Reference PI, of the worst base part-time base stealers (i.e. less than 100 total) since 2000.
| Rk | Player | CS | SB |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Melvin Mora | 52 | 89 |
| 2 | Cesar Izturis | 47 | 98 |
| 3 | Craig Counsell | 46 | 95 |
| 4 | Mark Kotsay | 46 | 74 |
| 5 | Carlos Guillen | 44 | 70 |
| 6 | Brad Wilkerson | 43 | 53 |
| 7 | Juan Encarnacion | 42 | 84 |
| 8 | Derrek Lee | 41 | 94 |
| 9 | Jacque Jones | 41 | 79 |
| 10 | David DeJesus | 40 | 44 |
Only long-time sabermetric hero Brad Wilkerson can compete with DeJesus on this list; everyone else has stolen at least 70 bases. In his career, according to Bill James Online, David DeJesus has cost the Royals 36 bases with his nose for the CS. So here are two ways the Cardinals could maximize their hypothetical DeJesus investment:
- Never let him steal a base, ever. If he tries to steal a base, or even start jogging to second before the Umpire explicitly gives the base on balls sign to Albert Pujols, fire him. Immediately.
- Take the Carpenter-Wainwright lesson at face value and have Yadier Molina and Albert Pujols (a combined 25-7 in 2009) show him that there's something wrong with his—his leg slot?
- Impressively enough, in spite of all that base-stealing incompetence, he's been a net-positive baserunner over the course of his career. Why? According to BJO, it's because from 2005 to 2007 he was among the best baserunners in the American League, worth +55 bases. Since then he's been -11, which could have any number of explanations: he might be unmotivated in Kansas City, where they once tried to give his job to Joey Gathright; he might just have peaked early, having come, now, toward his age 30 season; and the wear and tear of his numerous small injuries might be getting to him. But the fact remains that at one point in the near past DeJesus was providing the Royals with runs in every possible overlooked area: he got on base relatively often, he played above-average defense, and he ran like the wind. That's a useful, undervalued player, which explains why the Royals have had half a mind to trade him from the moment he was called up.
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Barnaby is sticking it to Phineas...
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
judging by the facial hair
Cardinals BP pitchers, presumably.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
your uncle ken has a badass straight right.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
The new meme
I think the new meme is that only Felonius may post first and may only post first when posting first.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
What I meant to say was
Felonius is the only person who may post fist first.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
I liked the first way better.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm tired of the word "first"
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tired of it too
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Eh I'm brave enough to use it for an avatar
Can’t be that bad, can it?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
i hide behind a Cardinal with a broken wing
what does that tell you about me?
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I'd be ok if only Felonius was allowed to post fist.
But what about secant? Or fir’d?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
your first comment read as unintentionally Seussian!
however, unlike Scott Boras, I do not demand exclusive negotiating rights. Fist should be a groundball-inducing democracy for all!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe if you put your butter on the top of the bread, then yeah.
But as a proud butter-side-down comrade I demand that only the chosen Leader be allowed to use Fist.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Wait...
why on Earth would you put the butter on the bottom of the toast?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I was just trying to get more Seussian
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It makes no sense.
The butter would get all wiped off on the plate. I guess if you want less butter that’s fine. I think it’s a legit question though. I just want to know why.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
who said it was on a plate?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well if it's not on a plate that's even weirder to me.
If it’s a napkin it will stick to the napkin. If it’s on a table the same thing will happen as when it’s on the plate and it could pick up dirty stuff on the table. If it’s on the floor that’s a whole other problem.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think the butter-side-downers can't afford plates, so they just hold the toast the whole time they eat it.
Thus solving the problem.
They can’t afford plates because they’re obviously the communist ones.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Gotta love overly simple moral equivalence.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You Zooks are over sensitive.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
“Every Zook must be watched! He has kinks in his soul! That’s why, as a youth, I made watching my goal, watching Zooks for the Zook-Watching Border Patrol.”
I hardly think its oversensitive to be offended when someone says you have kinks in your soul, ya damn Yook.
We need a FAQ to sort this out
So when somebody is confused we can just politely point them towards it by saying “Faq Yook!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I did no such thing.
Zooks were mentioned before me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
that was a reply to mojo
SBN is really screwing things up this afternoon
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Why is the caption "slow number two"?
That phrase evokes a slightly different image for me
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Even worse
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I am tired of Felonius Monks fists and his Eastern Hemisphere bias
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
i'm tired of him not giving certain british bomb shells my digits
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I keep telling you gdm
I don’t have Gerard Butler’s number. What can I say?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 5:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wainer definitely wrote this himself
Plus, he hit a grand slam. C’mon.
I await Boog’s What I Did on My Winter Vacation essay.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Signing Dejusus
and platooning him with Craig would’nt kill me. However, I would then hope more money is allocated to pitching. I would love a Lackey/Smoltz/Wagner trioka. The picks we lose will be restored via Holliday et al. I know some on this board will balk at Wagner but for some reason I have a great feeling about him. Plus, I just dont trust Franklin. He sucks for real.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
lotsa folks are big on Wagner actually
I like him if it’s <$8m (ideally <$5m with incentives) and no arbitration. I think Lackey will be somewhat over-priced and will handcuff us in future years. I’d rather go after a shorter-term high upside gamble on a sheets/harden/bedard type.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Im assuming Wagner is going to be offered arbitration.
I’d still sign him given the fact that we are going to receive picks when our FAs are signed. I could be convinced that Bedard/Sheets is a better option than Lackey.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I don't agree that having our own compensation picks is a good argument to devalue our first round pick
a pick is still a pick.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
makes it easier to swallow.
I think we need another closer or someone in that mold. Is there someone else that you’d rather have in terms of cost? Maybe Rodney? Cordero? Too expensive. Putz? I wouldnt trust.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Rodney is extremely mediocre
I would go nowhere near him. If you mean Chad Cordero, I think he’s toast. Francisco is signed to an albatross contract and I wouldn’t touch him unless Cinci ate a big chunk of it or packaged him with, say, Phillips cheaply.
I really like Wagner. I just wouldn’t give up a pick for a closer, for one year, who may not pitch a full season (he hasn’t since 2007, and he’s pushing 40). If he turns down arby, I would be happy to give him a one-year deal worth no more than $8m. However, I think a cheaper option may be to add a couple of solid-but-not-elite arms to the bullpen and hope to find a closer out of all our options.
Personally, I like Kiko Calero a lot (tons of Ks, good 2009, probably quite cheap) and Russ Springer as a ROOGY for a cheap, 1 year deal. I’d also be very open to Eric Gagne on a minor league/cheap 1 year deal. I would also give Putz a chance, but for no more than maybe $2m on a 1-yr deal (as an alternative to Springer). I then either mix and match (i.e. use Springer, Motte or Calero for tough righties, Miller sometimes vs lefties) or hope one of Calero, Franklin, Boggs or Motte comes through strongly.
I’d also give Smoltz a deal, and, if a cheap arm for the rotation can be found in addition to Smoltz (and if he’s up for pitching from the pen 3-4 times a week), I’d be open to giving him the closer job. One option I could see is Smoltz for $5m + incentives, and then see if we can get Carl Pavano cheaply (although if Sheets/Harden is available for a little more than Pavano, I might extend to them). Then Smoltz can go to the pen.
But yeah, if either Rafael Soriano or Billy Wagner is not offered arbitration, I would be open to offering them a contract. I just don’t want to lose a pick or pay more than $8m for it.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
He won't be offered arbitration
The Red Sox haven’t offered arbitration to anyone since he’s been there, pre FA or post FA.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Well, there is a cat and mouse game going on in Boston over the arbitration.
Wagner told Boston he would accept arb and would happily set up Papelbon when just a few months ago he said he wanted to be a closer. He knows the Red Sox do not want to pay $9m-11m for a set up guy so he’s just trying to bluff them into not offering arb. I hope he gets his wish but i’d put my money on the sox offering arb and Wagner declining.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
i agree with you
about the cat and mouse. and that wagner would decline, but would boston risk it? now, if they deal papelbon, then wagner is staying.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I Would NOT....
…trade Dejesus for D. Jones, that does not seem like equal value for us.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Actually
If it’s just Daryl Jones, I think that is about equal value actually. If you make the assumption that Daryl Jones’ ceiling (as in — best possible outcome) is that of DDJ, then maybe it’s slightly tilts the trade in favor of the Royals, but if Jones’ doesn’t hit that ceiling, we’re making out like bandits in terms of WAR. We’ll get in the neighborhood of 8-9 wins out of DeJesus in the two years he’s here, plus the option to extend him on a favorable deal after year one.
You can talk about Jones’ base stealing ability all you want, but I don’t ever see the Cardinals utilizing that type of player in the future with the way our organization is being run, so I think that doesn’t lend much to his value as a Cardinal outfielder.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I'm sorry but are we really going to get 4 wins out of him per year?
I think we’re probably talking about getting 6-7 wins. I know that’s not a big difference, but I figured it’s worth pointing out.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 16, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I disagree
If you leave him in LF for a full season, UZR/150 has him worth about 19 runs out there (that’s his value over 2200+ innings in LF for his career so it’s a significant sample size.), so that’s nearly 2 wins on defense alone. What has hurt him in the past is that he’s been tasked with playing some center field, where he’s NOT very good, and that’s hurt his overall value.
He had kind of a down year at the plate last season, at least in terms of getting on base, and I would expect him to get a bit of a bounce moving the NL - if he’s able to get his wOBA to return to the .350.355 mark from ‘06 and ’08, he’ll be worth roughly 2 wins with the bat. I see no reason why this couldn’t happen, although I would agree that it’s an optimistic scenario. FWIW, the Royals lineup has never been as good as the Cardinals lineup from 2009 as long as DeJesus has been in the big leagues, so I think he would have a better year simply by playing in a better lineup.
It’s not out of the question that we’d get 8+ wins out of him over the next couple of seasons, I agree that 6-7 may be more likely, but that’s still EONS better than what we’ve gotten out of LF the past two seasons combined, and that’s with Holliday’s 3 WAR in two months at the end of the ’09 season.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
You're forgetting that if he plays LF all season he'll lose nearly 1 win on positional adjustment
The last 4 years, DDJ’s put up the following WARs as more or less a full-time player:
3.8, 2.7, 2.7, 3.2
In 06 and 08 he split his time about 50/50 between LF and CF, and in 07 he was more or less full-time CF. In 09 he’s played LF pretty much full time.
I’d expect us to play him for a similar number of PAs, with a few starts in CF and most in LF. I think the 6-7 WAR prediction is probably more realistic. Hopefully, we’ll also get a win or so out of Allen Craig taking ABs in LF against LHP, so overall that’ll be a 4-WAR LF platoon. That would be really nice.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
No, I'm not
The positional adjustment is -6.5 runs for a LF. He was a 3.2 WAR player last year with that adjustment, and he had a bad year at the plate. If he returns to .350 – .355 wOBA, he’ll be a 4 WAR player next year in LF.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
He had a .337 wOBA last year
and his career wOBA is .340. I guess he might get a bit of a bounce by moving to the NL, but I’d say last year is pretty much representative. He might touch 4 wins as a .355 wOBA guy if he plays more or less every day, but I dunno if we can guarantee him hitting better than his career rate.
I think we’re pretty much in agreement – it’s certainly possible he’d see 4 wins in a full season again, but I just think we’re better off taking the “under” on that possibility. I think a 3 WAR season is more realistic, and indeed very attainable.
(I think the positional adjustment might be a bit more for a LF, actually, at least according to FanGraphs, as he lost 6.5 runs last year despite only playing 138 games in LF).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
also
basestealing is over-rated anyhow. Even the elite guys only add half a win or so. Being able to go first-to-third on a single, and being able to take an extra base on a marginal single/double-type hit is MUCH more valuable (so I suppose, in that sense, speedsters are quite useful….).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think base stealing is actually underrated
simply because you can’t quantify all the other things that base-stealing effects — this is also why I believe catcher defense to be extremely underrated as well. You can’t quantify statistically the pressure it puts on pitchers to hold runners, on how it effects where the middle infield is playing. You can only really determine how many runs it is worth when it is successful, which is only a piece of the puzzle.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Ha! I believe catcher defence to be extremely over-rated! It's just a theory of mine, anyhow.
although I agree with you about the fact that base-stealing puts pitchers under-pressure (and most pitch worse from the stretch anyhow, not that base-stealing makes any difference there, but constantly having to hold guys at first is an issue). I’m sure a good base-stealer is actually worth more to a team than the SABR stats can calculate (it’d be interesting to do, say, a WOWY-type analysis of the wOBAs put up by hitter in teams with elite base-stealers both with them on 1B and without) – for one thing, quite a significant number of missed CS attempts end up with the ball sailing into CF or down the 1B line, allowing the stealer to take an extra base; that’s something that the stats don’t calculate, except as a debit to the defence.
Let’s just say the traditional view of base-stealers probably over-rates them, and the SABR view probably under-rates them? The reality is probably somewhere in between.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
would game-calling be separate
from catcher defense? seems sometimes, in the highest leverage situations, they can go hand-in-hand – if yadi was catching, would he have called for a slider in the dirt to arod with damon on third?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Unintentional Accuracy
This from the PD: “The Silver Slugger award — like its unofficial cousin, the Gold Glove — is presented to the best offensive player at each position in each league.”
Is Goold being intentionally ironic?
Did I see an interrobang in that post, Dan?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
I absolutely love the interrobang with a passion
Although I always thought the curly bit of the ? should be on the left-hand (not right-hand) side of the !…. although I’d have to write one out to be sure…
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Here's an interesting picture contrasting interrobang styles
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
#4 and #6 were more what I was thinking
the one in the blog post above seems to have a pretty indistinguishable exclamation part – I probably wouldn’t have noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
#3 looks like it's giving someone the "fig sign" to me.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Google is your friend
Although I can see your unease at googling any word that has “bang” in it.
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't it exactly what it looks like?
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 16, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think it comes from the journalistic term for an exclamation point
which is a “bang”. Obviously, interro- being question, as in “interrogation”.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda freaked out when I saw the interrobang
I was pointing it out to people in my office and everything. I love non-standard punctuation.
Now if only we could create a semicomma
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
or an amperisk
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be up for a pair of parenthecolons
but then, who wouldn’t?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 5:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that just sounds dirty
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to interrobang her right up the parenthecolon!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i overheard that in a library once
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I don't get the clamor for...
Dave of Jesus. The FA market is loaded with 2-3 win LFers. Nady, Byrd, Damon, even Kearns, can all be had for money, not prospects (assuming a Damon non-tender)… do that. They’d only be a little more expensive.
MB for LF in 2010!
dejusus is only signed for 2010 - 4.7m
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
5.5m team option for 2011 I think
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
500k buyout, i believe
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I think the hope is that DeJesus (being the rare lefty out of that bunch, and a very good OBP hitter vs RHP)
could be half of a DeJesus-heavy platoon with Craig. That eases in Craig easily (limited playing time, less pressure, playing him in the best positions to succeed i.e. vs LHP, who he hit pretty well in the minors), and that such a platoon (utilising DDJ’s best characteristics and giving Craig the best chance to succeed) will be worth more than just signing one of the right-handed options and using them as a full-time LFer.
If we had a good LH bat in AAA knocking on the door (say, Chris Duncan back when he didn’t suck) I’d be all for getting Marlon Byrd or Austin Kearns to form a similar tandem.
Also, that $5m or so we save compared to the better options (Damon, Cameron, maybe Nady) could be very useful. If we assume $5m on DDJ solves our LF issues, we’ve got a big chunk to drop on getting maybe TWO (rather than one) of the better options to fill our remaining holes (3B, SP and RP) – we could get, say, Harden in the rotation and Wagner to close, or maybe Beltre + Smoltz.
It’s more of a win-now move, which IMO is what we need to be doing (whilst replenishing the low minors with all our draft picks, hopefully) whilst Carpenter is healthy and Pujols is at his peak.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Economic times
Paying $4.7 mm and giving up prospects for DDeJ is much too high this market. Just for reference, last year the only FA OF who received contracts greater than $4.0 were Manny, Ibanez, Bradley, Abreu and Rivera. The big guys will get money, but the second & third tier FA’s (comparable to DDeJ) will be available for one year deals less than $5.0 mm.
there were probably cases
where options were picked up (like crawford this year), or arb was accepted, or a contract was extended, though, so to just say it like that (FA’s) is a little misleading in terms of economics.
also, what did burrell get? i know he was signed not as an OF but to dh, but forget what he got.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think he got 2/20 or something didn't he?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
think i'd rather have him
for one year than a nady or some other option q if the rays wanted to dump his salary for a bag of balls (highly likely)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
economic times?
the cards drew 3.3 million fans last season
they can afforf 4 million for dejesus
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
craig/ddj
platoon nets about .850 ops in lf based on craig’s mle against lefties
that’s worth $5MM to me
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Should they pay $10.6M over two years
for 5-7 WAR? Yes, they probably should.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
well yes, but i don't think dejesus will do that
i can’t see him keeping up that production
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
why?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 18, 2009 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
i think he's a case of an average player on a bad team
he’s a “star” on the royals & therefore overrated. you put him on a team with better players & there’s no way he puts up the numbers he does because no one will pitch to him anymore.
of course you can argue he will be even better because he will get pitched to because the opposition does not want his teammates to beat them. and you very well could be right. after all, i’m no genius & probably very full of crap. but i’ve looked at his stats & numbers & i just can’t figure out how he gets them. i’ve watched him play & i’ve just never been impressed with him.
i hate to make this argument because i’m not backing it up with anything close to some solid facts. it’s nearly baseless & will be immediately shot down, but it’s all i’ve got. i don’t think he’s that good, i don’t think he’ll be able to preform in a pressure packed situation, i think he’s only successful because he plays on a team that has no expectations to win.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
a good counter argument
even though he’s not as good – Eric Hinske is a similar option to DDJ in LF (bit more power, slightly less OBP, can’t play CF but he is an alternative backup option for 3B in a pinch) and we wouldn’t have to give up prospects for him. He’s been an above-average hitter 5 of the last 6 years, mashes righties pretty well (he’s worse than DeJesus against lefties, but presumably wouldn’t ever have to face a lefty) and his 3B availability is intriguing. He’ll hit more dingers and take a similar number of walks as DDJ, but he’s a strikeout machine and generally hits for low average, which will bring his OBP down.
Vs RHP Hinske has a slash line of .263/.347/.456. (.804 OPS.)
Vs RHP DeJesus has a slash line of .291/.366/.447. (.813 OPS)
They’re both young enough (Hinske is 32 and DDJ is nearly 30) and have hit well enough in the last 2-3 years that we could probably expect them to hit to their career numbers pretty accurately, although Bill James is less bullish for his 2010 projections on Hinske.
For comparison, the most Hinske’s earned in the last few years was $5.6m with the BoSox in 2007. A 1-year, $5m deal would almost undoubtedly be enough to pick him up, I would imagine.
Still, I’m banking on Dayton Moore taking a bag of balls and a couple of second-hand catchers’ mitts for DDJ. If he takes something useful to get (i.e. Darryl Jones, one of our better pitchers) I wouldn’t go there. I think DeJesus is the better player, marginally, because his glove is so good (although Hinske’s ability to play 3B is intriguing – we can then decide early on who out of Freese and Craig is struggling the most against RHP, and platoon Hinske with him).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
Ok everyone is mentioning different FA pitchers.
And I’m the worst at coming up with arbitrary numbers that should be offered to each as contract, so I’m wondering what we should offer and what they’re likely to get. If someone could help me out with Harden, Sheets, Bedard, Soriano, Mike Gonzalez, and Wagner, then that would be awesome. Just curious thanks.
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by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 16, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions
Complete stabs in the dark here
Harden – 2 years, $20m
Sheets – 1 year, $8m (perhaps a smaller $ figure plus incentives would be possible)
Bedard – 1 year, $4m plus incentives (won’t be ready by opening day, torn labrum = major red light warning sign; I wouldn’t be surprised if he misses 2010 and/or is a late-season signing by someone)
Soriano – 2 years, $14m (possibly less $ if he’s offered arbitration as he’ll be a type A)
Gonzalez – 1-2 years, $6m/yr
Wagner – 1 year, $8m (possibly with incentives to go to $10m. This is contingent on him not being offered arbitration – if he’s offered arby and says no, I can’t see anyone offering more than $5m or so).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Harden
Do you really think he’ll only get two years? If we could sign him to a two-year deal, I’d be very pleased.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think it's possible
He’s still notoriously fragile, and he’s coming off a rough year. I doubt his stock is all that high right now.
I can't see anyone gambling 3 on that arm
and 3 is the absolute most he’ll get. I guess he and his agent will be pushing for 4 somewhere. The Cubs seem to have ruled themselves out, and I’m struggling to see that much interest in him. I could see the Dodger (maybe?), Rangers, maybe the Angels (if Lackey goes) looking into him, but I wonder if his poor 2009 won’t work against him.
You might be right, though – I guess it’s possible he gets 3/30 or so.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:19 AM EST up reply actions
there must be a reason
they’ve never fixed that shoulder. seems to be a situation analagous to apu’s elbow, except of course harden is a pitcher.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Of all of those
I would say that Sheets and Soriano/Gonzalez make the most sense, and I don’t think Sheets will get any deal that doesn’t have incentives for innings pitched.
I just don’t like signing Harden. We bitch all the time around here about how our pitching staff has injury issues, yet some of us are more than willing to pony up $10M a year for a guy who’s ALWAYS hurt, as if he provides some insurance policy on Chris Carpenter getting hurt or something.
He has great stuff, and he’s pretty damn good when he’s healthy, but he rarely throws more than 6 innings a start, which will continue to tax our bullpen, and he’s going to miss at least 6 starts every year and possible more than that. It just doesn’t seem like a good gamble on our part.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Could not agree more about Harden, fourstick.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
yeah
I’d rather sign SHEETS than Harden
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
sheets isn't injury prone?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Yes
but he won’t be near as expensive, and he has shown the ability to throw 200+ innings and 30+ starts when he’s healthy. Harden hasn’t done that.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
that's true
but sheets current health is just so sketchy. he hasn’t pitched in over a year
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Harden's isn't?
He missed his last three starts in a contract year because of injury. He hasn’t pitched since then and we’re talking about offering him a multi year deal? I find that insane.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
no
a guy who threw 150 innings last season is more of a sure thing health-wise than a guy who threw approximately 0 innings last year
harden is a health risk no one is denying that, but sheets is a much bigger liability. and harden missed his last three starts. where was it reported that it was due to injury?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
fuck it
sign them both if sheets comes for less than 5MM base
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
That's completely subjective reasoning, and you can in no way prove it.
Chris Carpenter threw a full season in 2006, then missed the next 2 seasons. Erik Bedard pitched in 2009 but I would consider him a higher risk than Ben Sheets. That’s just a ridiculous assertion.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
sheets has been repaired
presumably, since pettitte had the same surgery for flexor tendon years ago (admittedly he may have used something to aid the healing). so the question is how much if any his performance will suffer.
the question with harden is a shoulder that is a time-bomb like apu’s elbow. and it is a shoulder, not elbow, so is more worrisome.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
sign Ben Sheets!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sheets is no longer injury prone
His condition is now stable.
by madridbend on Nov 16, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think you're good on Wagner, Bedard, Gonzo, a bit high on harden and Soriano, and low on Sheets.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
hmmm
others seemed to think Harden would get more. I can’t see sheets getting $10m+ a year after serious surgery and missing a season; if he’s been throwing somewhere, though, and is up at his previous velocity, you might be right. $10m for a healthy Sheets year would be a super bargain.
I think Soriano will get a bit more than Gonzalez (and this surprised me!) because he’s thrown more innings the last couple of years, and been a shade more effective. I could see him getting only one year, but I think $7-8m is the right price per year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:22 AM EST up reply actions
what they're likely to get, in my opinion
Harden – 2/18
Sheets – 1 year, heavily incentivized. base around 5?
Bedard – 2/22
Soriano – 2/15
Mike Gonzalez – 2/13
Wagner – 1/9
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Hell
I don’t mind paying a bit more for sheets, and adding an option which vests upon performance goals.
That option is a really smart idea
if he looks like he’s going to be ready by opening day, I don’t mind 1 yr $8m with a second year $10m option that vests on 25 starts.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
sheets is a badass
harden not so much.
both are gambles, so i’d rather bet on the badass with the ace mentality.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Why would anyone pay that for Bedard?
If anything he’ll get the cheapest contract out there. He’s this year’s Ben Sheets:
- He probably won’t pitch until at least May (more likely June….)
- He may not pitch at all.
- If he does pitch he might not be as good as he’s been in the past — shoulder problems are a bitch.
- FWIW — Mark f’ing Mulder comparisons ABOUND!!!
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Ahahaha
Rec’d
My halloween costume: the Indiana secondary iPhone- no matter how much you want to love it, you know the coverage area sucks.
-ChronicHoosier
Not just any old shoulder problems
torn labrum.
= stay away.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Basically agreed.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
yeah
i wasn’t aware he was currently out when i made that post
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Why not bring Daryl Jones into spring traning
and see what he can do? Best case scenario he hits so well he can’t be sent down (ala Albert) worst case scenario hes not ready and goes back to the minors. I just hope the coaching staff keeps an open mind in ST and they let him do his thing! I doubt he goes all AP on us but hey if it worked out we have got ourselves a nice cheap LF!
by TheHolyDiver19 on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions
I think it's more or less a certainty he's not ready
I wouldn’t mind giving him a taste but I’d like to have an everyday LF (or a platoon) already in place and under contract before ST starts. If Jones bombs (as I expect he possibly will) and/or Craig struggles early, it’d be nice not to have to pick over the bones of whatever is left of the FAs in April.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
He's struggling in the AFL
After having an up & down season at AA. I think any talk of a spring training invite is nonsense – he needs to earn his way up to AAA and continue developing
if we're talking SSS
2008 was pretty much the ONLY sample of his 4-year minor league career when he’s been a + offensive player. He’s still got a long way to go.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
AFL
Yeah but that was almost a full year of production in AA.
The AFL basically represents a jump in level for him after a year where he didn’t play consistently because of injury. It would have been nice if he didn’t struggle, but I am chalking it up to the SSS elves at work.
Thats not to say that I don’t think we should not trade him if the deal is good. I think Dan is pretty much on target as to his potential. He should have enough power that one will have to respect it and good speed on the bases but OBP is going to make or break him as a major leaguer. An OBP approaching .400 and he could be an above average left fielder. An OBP less than .350 and he is going to suck.
by BigJawnMize on Nov 16, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I would be amazed if he sniffs close to a .400 OBP
I would be very happy if he’s a .350 OBP guy in the majors. He’ll be Skip Schumaker with a better glove and more speed. That’s still an above average LF.
If he OBPs .400 in the majors he’ll be better than Carl Crawford!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:26 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, really
he’s certain to be a disappointment if we’re expecting a .400 OBP – where did that number come from? although, one can’t argue against him being above average with that OBP.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
out of interest
in the entire NL this year, 7 (SEVEN!) players put up a .400+ OBP. They were all basically absolute stars (with the possible exception of Nick Johnson).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 18, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
really we
already have a dejesus clone in tyler henley. why trade for a player we already have?
Moz=Bad GM
whoa
Tyler Henley has precisely one full season of good hitting at AA. Even that was an OPS of .846, wOBA of .381. That’s a LONG way to go until he’s a major league hitter. The MLE of that line if he were promoted tomorrow is a sub-.700 OPS. He hasn’t taken an AB at AAA level yet, hasn’t faced a major league pitch, and is a good two years away from being a useful major league player, even if he makes it that far (I suspect he will, personally, but it’s far from a sure thing).
David DeJesus is capable of putting up a .800+ OPS, .350+ wOBA NOW in the major leagues, and is only under contract for two more years (if his option is accepted).
They’re not comparable commodities at all. Even if Henley turns into DeJesus (and personally I think it’s unlikely his bat will ever be as good – possible, but unlikely), DeJesus’ current contract will have long since finished.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
good point but
DeJesus is a nice placeholder who can platoon with Craig until one of our many outfield prospects demonstrates in AAA that he is deserves a promotion. The problem with DeJesus though is that we have to cough up prospects to get him. We might trade away D. Jones to get DeJesus only to find out later that DJ became a younger cost-controlled version of DeJesus (and better base stealer to boot).
I know Tony loves all the righty-lefty shtick but I think I’d prefer to just gamble on an incentive laden one year contract to the right-handed hitting Austin Kearns and pray he hits 20 HRs. It’s very low risk and keep our prospects. If he fails and Craig / Jay are scuffling, we can cough up prospects later in the year to get an outfielder. The beauty of the Cards situation is that they can likely count on no one else in the central running away with the division while they search around for another outfield bat as the season progresses. Even with a struggling Kearns in LF, the Cards will be in the thick of the race.
I wouldn't give up Jones for DDJ
but Dayton Moore is an idiot and might accept much less. That’s what I’d bank on. I like Kearns, I think I was the first one who pulled for him last year when we needed someone to hit LHP, but he’s been poor for two years and isn’t great against RHP in the first place. I think Kearns would need to be matched with a lefty – I’m sure there’s one on the FA market who wouldn’t cost a ton (actually, Branyan maybe fits the bill, but I doubt he can play LF as a regular player without breaking down).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
if you can get DeJesus
for lower level prospects (we are supposed to have a center field prospects that don’t include Jones and Henley, then it might make sense. The Cardinals organization seems to hate Anderson. They don’t think he can hack it defensively as a catcher, might not have enough power for corner infield, and has a long injury history. At one time he was a top 100 prospect but I’d actually think about trading him for DeJesus. What do you want to bet they platoon Anderson in AAA next year with whoever they bring in.
Yeah Anderson would make sense
I get the feeling Moore (as I said in another thread) due to his previous signings hasn’t valued defence very highly. I say pick a few toolsy guys (Adron Chambers) or guys with a strong bat who’ve put up good numbers but no position or defensive liabilities (Anderson, Hamilton etc.) and let him pick a couple of them. I think that might work…
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hamilton
Another spare part that might interest an AL team. Is Adron Chambers the CF prospect at Palm Beach? One way to look at it is that we Colby and he ain’t going anywhere for 5 more season at a minimum. Another view is that we have a bunch of guys who can play CF (Jones, Jay) but are not true CFers. Would be nice to have a true center fielder in the high minors other than Sugar Shane. I just can’t get beyond how small Shane Robinson is.
The Royals aren't going to be interested in Hamilton though
Not with Butler in the MLB and Ka’aihue in the pipeline with a lefty heavy lineup already featuring those two and Alex Gordon. I think Daryl Jones would interest them and maybe Brian Anderson.
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would the giants or the dodgers have any interest in hamilton?
loney does not impress me.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Torre really likes Loney
I think Joe seems to have the idea that he could be Mark Grace, a guy who never hit a lot of homers but was always around the .300 mark, played solid defense at first base, got on base a lot, and hit tons and tons of doubles. Those attributes actually play pretty well at Chavez Ravine, and Loney showed some of that promise in 2008 but struggled at the plate again this season. Grace was a .442 slugger for his career, Loney is at .448 right now so the comparison is apt.
I’m not sure any team that doesn’t have a DH is really going to be all that interested in Hamilton. Maybe if the Padres decided to deal Gonzalez this offseason we could dangle Hamilton out there and try to get someone like Kouzmanoff back in return as he seems to have worn out his welcome in San Diego for whatever reason.
I don’t know how the Giants evaluate players, but they should be looking to sign Russell Branyan or trade for a 1B this offseason when there are plenty available. They have a wealth of young pitchers with which to deal from, so finding a solution at 1B really shouldn’t be a problem. I’d send them Hamilton and try to get a decent pitching prospect back.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
think about the marlins
if they don’t keep johnson
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
I think you might be slightly over-valuing Hamilton
although there’s no telling that Brian Sabean (or Kevin Towers or whoever the hell the new GM is in San Diego) won’t do exactly the same! I think if we could get anything meaningful back for Hamilton it’d be a good move. I don’t even especially think it has to be a good prospect.
I think you’re right about Kansas not having any need for him, btw. I still like Chambers as a piece for them (I think he’s garbage, btw, but moore seems to quite like toolsy guys). That said, their minor league scouting and drafting has been quite good the last few years, so perhaps they won’t be as easy to fleece as we think. Jones + Anderson (who I still rate as a genuine prospect) would be quite the haul for DeJesus – I wouldn’t do that, I don’t think.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
If he's a young, 3 true outcomes player
and I do mean IF, I think he has some value for teams that are in need of some pop at first base.
The problem this year is that there’s a lot of options for those guys at 1B. If I’m the Giants, Nick Johnson and Russell Branyan are at the top of my shopping list along with Matt Holliday.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Apparently we've released Mark Hamilton anyway
so I’m guessing his trade value would’ve been nada.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
we didn't release him, we just released him from winter ball.
he’s still in the org.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
this is what I think we should do
between Allen Craig, John Jay, and Daryl Jones, one of them should be able to pick up the position and run with it. heck, even see what Freese can do, and just sign the best pitching possible and maybe a veteran for the bench
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah
no doubt there’s plenty of depth, he could be a dark horse for ’10
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
I really like the platoon option
both Freese and Craig hit lefties pretty well. I think it’s a good way to ease them in whilst leaving a veteran to take the majority of the PAs (vs RHP) and keeping a stack of cash to get a quality pitcher or two.
I don’t rate Jon Jay at all. I think he’s on his way to becoming an only-slightly better LH version of Shane Robinson.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
i think you're a little too high on jay
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It would be nice to have a solid-to-plus defensive player at every position
Given how good our OF defense could be, I lean towards getting a good defensive LF to make it complete.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
kudos to adieuordie for those links to the interviews
sometimes facebook yields some pretty cool stuff
I’m starting to think that I will be surprised if we don’t sign Holliday, which is a 180 from my opinion after the season was over. such is the hot stove (luckily I haven’t had to turn that thing on yet, it’s been a very warm november so far, and I now live in a building that will require like 5 space heaters, but it’s a really cool apartment).
anyway, I hope we sign one of the bigger names from the FA bullpen market. if not, it will be interesting to see if Motte and some of the other youngsters emerge as effective… I still don’t trust Franklin to shut down the games, he reminds me too much of Gregg. and the cubs saw how that went last year.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Holliday
Goold had an interesting tidbit (that was probably linked to already; if so, I apologize):
While this city-wide rush to bid Holliday farewell is premature — don’t be so sure he’s gone; a) it’s early in the process; b) rhetoric is more prominent than offers right now, by rule; c) there are some who believe that the best offer Holliday gets will be from the Cardinals (especially if the Yankees keep their distance) — it’s always a wise idea to consider alternatives.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
I mean, if no one wants to spend more than us on a free agent, then how the hell would he leave? It doesn’t sound like the NY teams are all that interested, and beyond that are there too many more options for him? the FA market will probably behave remarkably similar to last year’s, so Holliday may not even sign with anyone for months, and then he’d just stay here probably.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
just curious...
but why do you think the NY teams won’t be interested? Let’s take the Yankees:
1. They have a shit-ton of money, and made even more during the World Series.
2. They consistently pursue the best and highest-priced FA’s on the market.
3. They need a LF’er.
4. Matt Holliday is the best, highest-priced FA and plays LF.
Sometimes it really is that simple.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 16, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
It's early
I don’t think the Yankees are going to sign anybody until after the end of the arbitration period. They have too many arb eligibles on their team to really think about signings prior to that, unless they simply aren’t interested in offering arb, damn the picks anyway, and going out and getting whatever they want.
I think the Mets should be more interested in Holliday than the Yankees, who have Austin Jackson in the minors and can bring back Damon for less than he made a year ago. They have pitching issues as well, and that’s probably their bigger problem actually, considering that Reyes, Delgado, Beltran, and Wright all missed a ton of time last year and will provide more production in 2010, but having a .400 wOBA guy playing LF and hitting 3rd or 4th isn’t going to hurt either.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
boras is the only one trying to goad the market up for matty
i hope teams have learned not to debate publicly with boras. the more even the most interested teams keep their mouth shut the better for all
also, why no thoughts about mather beating out craig for a bench spot. he can play some 3rd and is a very good outfielder (if healthy)
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Wrist injuries like his
can be career enders. He’s going to have to prove himself over a longer period of time than just spring training if he’s going to have a legit shot at making the team. I would guess he starts in AAA and if he’s mashing than he’s probably up by midseason.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
actually, teams have an interest
in inducing other teams (i.e., their competitors) to pay the most possible for assets.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 16, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Any love for Tatis around here?
He might be a decent Spezio type guy that can be had for less than $2M. 3B and LF insurance should Craig/Freese bomb/get hurt…?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
I'd be down with that if we don't sign Holliday
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
I know what you mean (that if we don’t tie up all our offseason resources on Holliday, Tatis is not a bad pickup along with other pickups), but it cracked me up. I envisioned a conversation between TLR and Mo…
TLR: Mo, get Holliday, make it happen!!
Mo: Can’t do it. We’re going with Tatis.
TLR: Ok, cool.
…
TLR: Hang on, what?
Mo: See you in February.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Nov 16, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe, just maybe
Fernando Tatis will become the only player to hit two grand slams in the same inning, for the same team, in different stints with said team, in different decades, twice.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
LOL
good point
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess you gotta have priorities.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I WOULD TOTALLY BE DOWN
WITH HIM GETTING ON BASE TWICE EVERY PA
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
ha!
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
haha, i know
i was keeding you
keeding you!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
hey guys
Bill Dewitt on Bernie… will take notes and post soon
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Nov 16, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions
OK... not much that we don't already know... but here's what he said
First off… I just wanted to say that while I was listening to Bill Dewitt I kept thinking of Kevin from The Office. Anyways, here goes:
-Mo has had personal discussions with Boras and Holliday but Dewitt has not. Understands (as we all do) that Boras and Holliday intend to test market
-Made the trade for Holliday with hope to re-sign him, but understands difficulty in doing so
Holliday enjoyed time here etc… etc… will give every consideration to StL…. etc… etc…
Cardinals will wait and see how market plays out to make their move
-Cardinals will not be in position to compete with big market club (if money is no option)
-Back up for Holliday not signing is the 2 draft picks who they will sign
*getting to playoffs was ultimate goal for trade, moreso than the ablity to sign long term
-Will reinvest money from Holliday back into club. However will allow Craig and Freese to come up before committing money to other needs.
-Weakened the system by trades and they will do their best to restock it
-McGwire will be available to media and time is coming near. Thinks Mac will work out fine and gave Tony the thumbs up (because of his trust in Tony)
-Thinks Mac will do and say the right thing when he decides to
-McGwire is bright guy and he understands what is going to happen. Gave the impression that McGwire will talk and it will not be in a manner which will cause problems this season.
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i dont know why that part was bolded... hmmm
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Nov 16, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
SBN'd
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for the cliffs notes version, fredbird.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
no problem
i was kinda let down though… seemed like a bunch of fluff
If you are going to suck, you might as well try to kick (butt), like, Jesus Lizard, they suck, but they kick (butt)-Beavis
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Nov 16, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
So he actually mentioned Allen Craig by name?
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
yep
and he referred to both freese and craig as ELITE minor league hitters
If you are going to suck, you might as well try to kick (butt), like, Jesus Lizard, they suck, but they kick (butt)-Beavis
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
would you mind elaborating on that portion of the interview?
i think most around here seem surprised he knows Allen Craig’s name…did he say (what I took away from your notes), that without Holliday in STL, opportunities will be given to Craig/Freese and money will be put into other needs (platoon mates/mate (DeRosa) and pitchers?)
Thanks
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Nov 16, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
note
lots of assumptions went into these comments/questions.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Nov 16, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if DeRo is what I'd call a platoon option
all three hitters are righties and they’re all better at hitting LHP. I think guys like Hinske, Branyan and DeJesus are more likely if we go down the platoon route.
That said, I could really see us re-upping DeRo to play LF. It seems we’re very quiet on all the other possibles.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
allen.....
craig…..
freed?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
No.
The jailkeepers weren’t the ones being interviewed. I’ll give you a guess at who is the warden and who runs the chain gang.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jr
If you are going to suck, you might as well try to kick (butt), like, Jesus Lizard, they suck, but they kick (butt)-Beavis
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
operation midwest nice FAIL?
the sidebar from rotoworld says that a holliday rep thinks st. louis has no edge in the negotiations and that STL is just “a place where holliday played for two months.”
hmm. well, we have these nifty OMN pins for everybody who baked pies.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Parting Gifts?
How nice, but what the hell am I supposed to do with all this left over flour for pie baking?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
The Holliday rep hasn't eaten the pies now has he/she?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Time for Operation...
Don’t-Let-The-Door-Hit-You-Where-The-Good-Lord-Split-You. A reverse psychology kinda thing.
“Take your ball and glove/athletic cup and go away, please. We’ll be fine without you, really.”
(Sits on couch with bowl of chocolates and sobs while waiting for the phone to ring.)
Perhaps you put asterisks around it?
if you put asterisks on both sides of some text, it will bold it
*not bold
bold
Rookies of the Year announced
NL: Chris Coghlan
AL: Andrew Bailey
Not gonna lie, I’m completely blown away at the fact that voters have even heard of Chris Coghlan.
I don’t have a major issue with either of these choices at first glance.
Coghlan could make our Good Looking All Star Team.
I’d have to ask andi.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Hmmm...I dunno.
We really have divergent taste in men.
I like them hot, brooding, slightly dangerous or unstable, and with obvious issues.
You like them non-threatening and sweet/goofy/innocent.
Am I right?
I’ve got probably fourteen years on you; tastes change according to experience.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Yeah. Pretty much.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Just wait until you're old and jaded like me; you'll be able to appreciate "interesting" men
I’m just teasing you.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
I do have a mild bad boy streak.
There is a link to a video I discovered that includes the type of guys I usually fall for.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Braun batting practice?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:40 AM EST up reply actions
No he's a douche. Not a bad boy.
Obviously there is some overlap but they are two different categories in my opinion.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Milton Bradley?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 17, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
do bad and nuts overlap?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
classroom etiquette
requires you to raise your hand
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
then you should know that
anyway, nuts = crazy
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
in another time, in another life you'd love me
then 5min later you’d hate me for the rest of your life
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Aww, gdm, I like you. You know that.
Let me stop at a simple affirmation of our internet friendship lest somebody complain this thread has devolved into “internet flirting,” which is not what I was getting at.
Who said that, anyway? I can’t remember.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
it's all good, i don't flirt with another man's lady
and Az probably said it. at least he’s said stuff like that in the past
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Doesn't do it for me.
I can see how someone into Colby would like Coghlan as well, though.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Nov 17, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not surprised with Bailey
there were not any good candidates in the AL this year, Andrus was runner up and he had a pretty mediocre season.
I’m shocked with Coghlan’s selection, especially considering how good Hanson and Happ were, and the fact that Andrew McCutchen had the exact same OPS+ (122) with more steals and homers and plays better defense.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
McCutchen shoulda won imo
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson was by far the best rookie in the AL
3.33 K:BB and a 50% groundball rate in 175 innings. By FIP, his WAR was 3.8. By tRA, his WAR was 4.6!!!!
by vivaelpujols on Nov 16, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
You just named a bunch of stuff
that the voters for the ROY Award have never heard of….
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I have no idea who he is either
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
There was a scandal with him and his first home run ball earlier this year.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
have a good day there!
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
this is really pissing me off
i’ve been trying to reply for the past 30+min & it won’t let me. now watch it start working
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
my work has some new kind of antivirus software that boots me off the internet
and it seems like it’s only when I’m on veb, must be the live updating
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
According to Buster Onley The Yankees
are not interested in Holliday. But will keep their phoneline available to keep other suitors honest about his payday.
Yeah whatever. I guess the Yankees are interested in keeping other teams honest about spending. What a fu#ked up sport this has become. I’m really starting to care less and less about the whole free agent game. The team in the largest market gets to play bully and force other teams to spend out the nose. Ha!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
I see what they are doing, heh
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
MLBTradeRumors just did the Cardinals "Offseason Outlook"
For those looking for things to read: Linky link link.
I think that Thrashmeister had the best idea on there.
That is a lot of money for two guys but the idea is solid if you can live with Dunn in LF. Along with the fact that it is unlikely that Pujols will ever bat fourth.
I’m agreeing with it in a sense of money not being an object.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
anybody interested in inge as a backup c/ backup 3b? he'd be a better use of a roster spot than larue.
he’d have a known skillset pretty comparable to a mid-range projection for freese – ok fielding, .315 woba. that extra slot might allow us to test out more of our memphis candidates or some high upside wild cards.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
i heard
that he doesn’t even have knees anymore. you think you could catch?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Mather + Inge = a whole player?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Mather's knees + Inge's wrists = a whole player
Mather’s wrists + Inge’s knees = Nick Stavinoha
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
anyone know how mather's wrist injury
differs from derosa’s, in terms of severity and prognosis?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
not sure
But wrist injuries tend to take a whole year to recover from.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
which rules out dero
but not mather. pretty sure they are different injuries, though. dero’s is tendon sheath and put weeks out for the year (that sounds odd). mather’s is different, i’m almost positive, but he had the surgery and came back in the same year, so perhaps it wasn’t as severe as dero’s – has he even had the surgery yet?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
mather has had two
and in fact possibly three surgeries. DeRo should hopefully only need one, and it’s not a break (tendon sheath). I’m pretty sure Mather broke his and has had to have metal plates etc. screwed in, which could hamper his flexibility and movement.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
additionally
i seem to recall Inge being quite upset at being asked to catch the season before last. He fancies himself a 3b despite not really having the bat for it. add this and poor health and i’m not sure he fits
Brandon Inge is up for full-time catching in ‘09, even if it’s not his preference.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
of course he is
i’d imagine he’s up for anything if he wants to be paid.
i like inge, but i don’t see him as an option because surely he will find a starting spot somewhere which would pay him better than any bench role we could offer.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It would be cool to have Inge as a 3B/C
You could have both of their bats in the lineup most of the time, and Inge would always be ready to put on the pads for an off-day or in case of a Yadi injury. Freese could always man third on the off-days.
i like inge
but i can’t say having his bat in the lineup most of the time is a positive for us.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i don't it's possible to catch
and fancy yourself at a different position. You either commit whole hog to catching or fail miserably.
my take: bad knees, can't hit when he's catching (only hits when he plays 3B)
not a good risk, imo.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Don't want to read MLB Trade Rumors?
Don’t worry! CHONE projections are out for hitters! And you thought you might get some work done today. Tsk tsk.
Anyway, here they are.
Of note:
Allen Craig: .280/.336/.455, 15 HR
Cory Ratlips: .259/.333/.422, 13 HR
The Maching: .321/.404/.612, 40 HR
Reboundwick?: .269/.341/.482, 23 HR
Mr. Freeze: .265/.332/.436, 11 HR
i'd gladly take those lines
especially for the rookies, except for ole ratlips. if that’s the way it’s going to be, the lessons aren’t working and clemsongirl must be replaced.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
even moreso
it’s just tough to mix the personal with the professional
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
To be honest
I don’t know how much professional was happening. I tried but I mean…
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
this is a family blog here, clemson.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I didn't say anything.
You thought it and shame on you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i have enough trouble feeling properly shamed for what i do and say.
now i have to feel bad about my thoughts? hair shirts, ashes, and fasting for me, then.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
If I had to feel bad about my thoughts
I’d be doing Hail Marys for the rest of my life…and I’m not even Catholic
/don’t let this devolve into a religious debate, plz
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
don't worry
we all have our priorities. this will work out better for everyone.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think i am going to start a daily posting called "Dumbest thing I heard on the PD website today."
The question here is which is more preposterous – the question or the answer?
nickn: If the Cardinals were not successful in retaining MH would you recommend that they consider Vernon Wells. Before you vomit, hear me out.
1. Toronto blew it with not trading Roy (the other) Halliday last season and the front office is feeling the heat.
2) The final $8.5 installment of his signing bonus is due this March, so that will be borne by them assuming acquisition in spring.
3) Base salary is $12.5m in 2010. Even though there a 4 more years at considerably more, maybe that the Cards can get the Blue Jays to eat the excess over $12.5m per year a la Julio Lugo with the Red Sox.
4) Vernon will only be turning 31 next month and as such till in his prime for the duration of the contract. He played a full season injury free last year batting .266 with 15 HR’s. He is also a 3-time gold glove award winner.
If it came down to purely a financial commitment of something like $60 million over the next 5 years with little else needed in terms of players going their way, would you explore this player as a back up plan to Matt? If not, why not and who would you pursue?
Jeff Gordon: Wells, at a discount, if he is healthy, would be palatable. Other teams are passing on the guy, though, so I wonder if more than money is involved in that.
Wells’ value last three years: 0.8 WAR, 1.2, -0.1.
So we’d be willing to pay $12.5 M for a replacement value player, just not $20+M? As long as we have standards. News flash – we have probably 2-3 minor leaguers who could put up better performance than vernon wells at league min.
it’s a good thing we have professional journalists like jeff gordon to keep us informed.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 16, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Gordon makes Strauss look like a genius.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
I think this deserves a "Really? with Seth and Amy" segment.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
hahaha. absolutely.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I'm not even really good at this stuff
and as soon as I read the opening statement I thought “Oh….this is gonna be a dandy.” I was right. 5/60? Good Grief man!!! I would take Allen Craig and a banged-up Joey Bombs before that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 16, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Reveal yourself, nickn
Are you former Toronto GM J. P. Ricciardi, or his replacement , new Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos?
oh
the other halladay
i was thinking of enrique halladay
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
spelt
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
wait
is spelt correct – i’m confused.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Both are entirely correct.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Like alberich says I think they are both right.
I was joking though about ninkn spelling Halladay wrong and since you corrected me on my spelling I was saying well nickn wouldn’t have spelled/spelt it that way. Clearly a bad joke.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Shakespeare, by the way
uses “speld”
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
what's his position and OPS?
honestly, i did not know that spelt is correct. just sounds and looks wrong. also, to me speld is closer to spelled than it is to spelt,
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
spelt is British English
I wouldn’t say it’s correct unless you’re writing for an audience that doesn’t care if you use proper American English.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 16, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I say, old chap
that was something of a “low blow”, what?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
It's "low blow,"!
Commas go inside your quotations in proper American English!
/pedant
You’re correct though, this is an international Cards blog, so “spelt” away.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I always hated the "punctuation inside quotation" rule.
But I usually keep quiet about it so as not to have my patriotism questioned; it was one of the fundamental grievances the colonists had with British rule.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I thought the question mark always went outside the quotations?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 17, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
In American English I think the punctuation almost always is supposed to go inside the quotation marks.
Like, if you’re quoting someone and that ends a sentence, I think you write it like this: The confused man asked her, “why does everyone always think I’m a ginger?”
Just remember the proud cry of our American forefathers—No quotation without punctuation! No quotation without punctuation! No quotation without punctuation! Take that, King George!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm right you're wrong
Although I must say the British version makes much more sense. I think the American way is just for aesthetic reasons.
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, isn't that what I said?
Are you being sarcastic again??? You know how much I hate sarcasm!!!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Oh
I was looking at your most recent reply
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 17, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
It's cool, I'm pretty confused now
That said; I don’t like that, in American English, one is always supposed to punctuate inside the quotation marks. It just doesn’t feel right to me in certain situations.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
So where does the interrobang go!?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I thought we had previously established
that it goes up the parenthecolon.
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But the quotation marks go
after the final punctuation when ending a sentence.
Now with extra feisty!
Depends....
Question marks and exclamation points come inside or outside quotation marks depending upon whether the question mark or the exclamation point applies to the quoted material only or to the entire sentence. In other words, question marks and exclamations follow logic.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 18, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
According to that link jd is legend posted,
in American English, the punctuation is inside regardless of logic. Unless I read something wrong.
I’m so confused. This is why I hated this stuff in school.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
check out the link again (second paragraph)
Periods and commas go inside regardless of logic (except in some bizarre circumstances – e.g., the spot is marked with an “X”.) . Other punctuation, like question marks and exclamation points, follow logic.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 18, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Or Shaxper
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Que?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
If I was the Blue Jays
I would trade Halladay with Vernon Wells.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
then you would lose all the prospects you could get
they handed alex rios to the white sox after one bad year, I could imagine them giving halladay away if it gets rid of Wells.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
no one is taking wells for the next however many years
to get halladay for a year, even if it required nothing more than nick stavinoha.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Probably someone stupid enough to fall for it
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
yankees?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
good point
but even they would just wait a year and pay for just halladay
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
They should just cut Vernon Wells if they are able to trade Halladay
Just pay it all off in one season, be done with this contract, and start rebuilding with all the young talent that you have. That’s essentially what they did with Rios after one bad season.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
The Rios dumping was totally stupid
I’d have actually given them something in return for Rios. I think he’d look OK for us in LF next year.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot it was Monday!
Ahhhhhh!
Now I have to wait forever!
Don’t say anything!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can't figure that out.
I’m computer stupid. I’ll just wait.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.hulu.com/watch/92860/how-i-met-your-mother-do-i-know-you
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
don't know if that's the new one
otherwise just download from that link, download vlc media player and play the .avi in vlc
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what that means.
6ly I’ll wait.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
you don't know what download means?
seriously, it’s easy. learning is fun. you’ll feel accomplished and you’ll be able to watch some show you want to watch
turns out you don’t even need to download vlc. the player is embedded on the page. click free download, wait 45 seconds, enter the code and watch!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
even easier
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=N1BUP99B
click the link
you’ll get a red play button, click that
a pop up will open
close it
the play button will turn green
click it
watch show
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I went to hulu.
There was nothing about downloading anything. The thing below said something about paying and I clicked free. It wouldn’t let me click when I entered to code. I will be able to watch the show I want to watch later when cbs posts it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Just follow the instructions. Do you have a DivX player or at least a QuickTime player?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
No.
It keeps telling me to pay and i clicked free.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
than type in the 4 numbers it asks you to
wait 30 seconds and a download link will come up. Or you can just watch it on the site itself
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
back off man
she’s using my link!
she doesn’t like your link!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I am not using your link.
I’m listening to this.
If Colby doesn’t work out I have backup plans.
And I was probably going to use Flim’s anyway.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
fuck you, stay at your mom's!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm at college...
confused.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
The Farmville Rap is working for me right now.
I’m slightly addicted. I don’t want to turn it off.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
that's what she said
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I did that and it said to pay.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just about the best episode evar!!!
Seriously hilarious
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 16, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
OT: I had a dream (nightmare?) that we signed LaTroy Hawkins and Livan Hernandez
They both have the initials L.H. What does that mean? Are there any other free agents you guys can think of with those initials? Is this a bad or good omen or does it just mean I should not drink beer when I’m taking cold medicine?
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
the new BB?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan F. Ludwick
What is BB besides a walk?
I don’t understand. : (
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Brian Barton
Brian Barden
Blaine Boyer
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Busch Beer
Birds [on] Bats
Ban Busial
Bizzy Bean
Beith Bernandez
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Badi Bolina
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
for some reason this struck me as really funny and I just laughed audibly at work and kind of got in trouble a little bit
but it was worth it.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Sorry!
Sometimes I just post ridiculous stuff that pops into my head. For some reason I think “Beith Bernandez” is the funniest part.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah, that's when I laughed
I didn’t really get in trouble, it was more like, “What the hell are you doing over there? Haha,” etc.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
at least we didn't need a surfer dude beekeeper
or Boras’s bees. Candyman, Candyman, Candyman…..
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Oh, so that's my mistake. Good to know.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Well, I have all four in my house at the moment
I’ll let you know how it works out
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
smokin and drinkin on a Tuesday night (another b-boys reference)
Just kidding; I’m not smoking.
It’s my SO’s birthday but the poor guy is passed out on the couch because he drove to STL early this morning to take his cicerone exam and he’s exhausted. I think he passed it!
Cicerone : Beer :: Sommelier : Wine
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
oooo, and I guess it's still Monday
oops
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Luther Hackman
Don’t call it a come back
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 16, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hot Stove season: when I dream about free agent signings
If there is no real baseball in my life, my brain conveniently creates some for me.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i dream to much
I wish I could actually cut down my dreaming when I sleep
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 17, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
This morning I was dreaming that I was in class
and when my alarm I freaked out because I thought my phone was going off in class.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 17, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Just wait until you have the universal dream of
“I graduated from college/high school/ junior high/grade school but the school forgot there was one class that everyone had to take, so now we must return to college/high school/ junior high/grade school as adults to take that one class” dream.
That one sucks.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i've never had that
i’ve also never had the one where you naked in front of everyone
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I've had the
“Shit, why did I skip this class all semester and now I’m going to flunk this final?” dream several times. And I didn’t graduate.
Now with extra feisty!
Oh yeah, I've had that one a lot.
An alternate version of that dream is that you were so busy that you FORGOT you had another class and didn’t go to it all semester, and now you’re going to flunk the final.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i have that dream with my job
like i have a second job that i always forget to go to and get fired. and it’s usually some stupid kind of job like mcdonalds that i haven’t done since i was a kid
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
+1
nice to know someone else has had that dream. I used to have them all the time, but it’s been awhile (thankfully).
youneverknow
by floodOfLove on Nov 17, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I've had the
“Oh shit I have a test today at 9 and it’s 6 AM”….oh yeah that wasn’t a dream that was a reality.
Not afraid to nitpick
At least it wasn't 10 AM.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 17, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...pretty much exactly like that
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
It's wierd
How so many different people can have the same dream. This is a common dream for me, it drives me crazy.
by El Hombre 05 on Nov 17, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Dreams are good for you.
But I think any CNS depressant will suppress your REM sleep/cut down on dreams.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
If you get adequate sleep you have less dreams.
If you don’t sleep you go into REM rebound and just dream forever. That’s why you have when you drink because while you’re drunk you don’t dream but as soon you sober up you go straight into REM rebound and your brain just mashes up a bunch of stuff into one big dream.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 17, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe not less dreams but less dreams at one time.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 17, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
can you explain why my dreams haunt me?
i’d rather not have that feeling of being happy then wake up to the cold, harsh reality of life. so if i can stop that, that’d be the bee’s knee’s
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I can't help you there.
You could listen to the Farmville Rap every morning. I know that cheers me up.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 17, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
because they represent what you think will make you happy and what you think is unattainable but they are really the key to helping you attain that which will make you happy
says amateur hobbyist psychologist + beer + cold medicine + vodka from earlier
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
so take that with a salt shaker
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
can i have some ice cream instead?
it’s been weeks since i’ve had some.
so what you are saying is, i need to pay more attention to my dreams where stuff is great because somewhere in there is the one thing i need to make them a reality?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
probably.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
damnit, i know i was dreaming last night but i can't remember it
how did you find out about this?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
psychology 101 and life experience
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i've always kind of wanted to be a shrink
i think it would be fun. hard & mentally draining, but still fun
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
It was on my radar many years ago
but I decided I liked experimental psychology better, and that gets really political because as I understand it, you have to publish articles and edit journals all the time to get funding, and I decided I didn’t care that much and did something totally different.
But I would be a baseball shrink in a second if I could get baseball players to tell me about their insecurities, in my very comfortable, very private office.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
this sounds like a porno....
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
probably reality
reality porn.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
aww, I was just kidding
I don’t have the faintest idea how to advise people to conduct their lives, much less my own, which is why I am not suited to be a therapist
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
What about dreams when you're baffled as to why you're doing something?
Or witnessing something?
Now with extra feisty!
I had to eat my dog two nights ago.
That was a weird dream.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
how'd you cook him
or did you?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Grilled. Had to butcher him and everything.
We were in like the great depression meets the end times.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
well, sometimes a cigar
is just a cigar, or something like that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you're a phallus.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I thought we were in the trust tree.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
A cigar is only a phallus about 60% of the time, every time.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
my problem is that I always wake up from a dream
And always want to go back to sleep to finish the dream. I rarely don’t wake up in the middle of a dream
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 17, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
You almost certainly do
you just only really remember them when you wake up during them.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions
He's been here for years
No really, he’s been here, waiting for a phone call, for YEARS
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 17, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
It's a good omen that we're going to sign a lefty (LH) pitcher
MARK MULDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 17, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
arghhh!!!! please, no
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
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