holliday overload
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2009 8:00 AM EST
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just like i can't get used to christmas carols at the grocery store before thanksgiving, the MAJOR LEAGUE DRAMA of WHERE WILL HE SIGN? is starting to get goddamn old. and there's still a week left before he goes on the market. front page articles everyday on what admittedly is probably about the only interesting baseball topic in st. louis right now have begun to wear me down. right now, i no longer really care. i just want the damn thing over. i know i should care. i know we're talking about what could be one of the top twenty-five players in baseball (13th among position players by WAR in 2009), and we're probably talking about a 9-figure contract that could hamstring the club for the next 5, 6, or more years if done wrong. i know all this. i just can't read another article whose basic theme is the same thing we've been batting around since we stopped yammering about "HFS (tm) BRETT WALLACE AND MORTENSON?"
he's going to cost a lot of money.
like a lot of money. a metric shit-ton. like maybe the household income of 2,500 ordinary american families. since each family has an average of 2.6 members, that's a decent size town - like a population the size of Brentwood, MO. do the cards have that much money? probably. is that the best way to spend it? uhh . . . the cheap answer is it depends on the years and the actual dollar amounts. the real answer is i have no clue whatsoever. there's no question he's better than everybody else on the market -- claims from the Bay camp notwithstanding: the Bay camp, incidentally, IS the Holliday camp. i'm a big fan of some of our rising OF prospects, an issue i rarely see discussed on the boards in relation to the holliday signing, and, while none of them look like a 6 WAR player like holliday, i could easily stomach a year of mike cameron with allen craig cameos, followed by a year of DJTools, henley, and craig running wild in the OF at league min, allowing us to spend some money on retaining albert and getting some needed high-ticket players.
the holliday contract will just be a huge leap; a decision that could make or break a franchise for years. and i am so sick of talking about it.
so, interestingly enough, is mo. the discussion has gone from dewitt saying that they wouldn't have traded for him without intending to resign him to mo saying that he'll basically make a take-it-or-leave-it offer to holliday - which he has not yet made - and that he feels sure he can find other options in the free agent market.
probably the varying themes expounded by the club reflect efforts to curry favor with particular audiences; in the case of dewitt's july optimism, whipping up enthusiasm in the ticket-buying public; in the case of mo's recent comments, an effort to tamp down the flame of boras's wild teixeira comps. it's hard not to believe there's a kernel of real holliday fatigue behind mo's comments, if for no other reason than i'm feeling that fatigue myself. but surely it's tedious to go through the weeks of window dressing just to get to the point where you know the game will come down to money and years.
a brief request: we are hitting hot stove season. everybody has a thousand and one ideas (in a typical off-season, it would be a million and one, but the free agent market sucks and we have nothing much to trade) about what direction the club should go this off-season and which players to sign and which players to trade.
please Play Nice.
you'll probably start to see designated hot stove threads cropping up on the sidebar. when they appear, please put all trade and free agent talk in there. if everybody puts in their personal fanpost about why we should give up yadier molina in a four-way trade with the mariners, the astros, and the l.a. clippers that will result in miguel tejada moving to point guard by mid-december, the fanposts will be dropping off the main page after a day and a half.
if you are new, welcome. we love new members. and no, you don't have to have a phd from the academy of the hardball times to express your opinion on these pages. all we ask is that if there's a catch-all hot-stove thread, please use it. it helps if you show that you have thought the trade or signing through carefully, and asked yourself whether the other team would accept the trade or the player would accept the offer. if somebody disagrees, that's healthy - not a personal attack (hopefully). if a poster says "he's too old/too bad at defense/too injury prone/doesn't play professional baseball but is in fact a character actor from 1970's sitcoms," then think about their point. agree or disagree, but support what you're saying in your reply. or acknowledge that your point is unsupported and is just your opinion.
if you are not new, please remember that you were once new, too. if somebody floats an idea that seems dumb to you, offer constructive criticism - while that term may be overused, think "will this point educate the poster and make him want to come back to this site to learn more, or would a reasonable poster think you're making fun of him?" please also keep an eye on the groupthink/ganging up. if somebody has already pointed out that jermaine dye plays defense like a rutting yet visually-impaired musk ox, don't pile on. if somebody's made the point, move along and make a new one.
/lecture
weekly tidbit roundup -
fangraphs had a neat analysis of david dejesus as a legit trade target. someone for the cards to keep their eyes on. a good defender with a decent if somewhat inconsistent bat. capable in left; sub-worthy in center. hits from the wrong side to sub for colson rimbaud, but could platoon with craig. not sure what they'd be looking for in trade. if mike aviles doesn't look like he'll be ready for the season, tyler greene (or possibly the starting SS at the high school nearest the stadium in kansas city) could be a decent SS option for them over yuniesky betancourt. it probably takes more than tyler to get this done -- the salary dumped is not enough to make KC desperate. not sure where else we go to sweeten that pot without giving away some essential players.
early in the week, dave cameron had a hard-to-argue-with explication of why mike cameron (sign MIKE CAMERON) is significantly better (and cheaper in terms of money and picks) than jason bay (BOOOOO!!).
i thought this was a nice rundown of the limitations of WAR. i've been guilty of at least some of these WAR crimes on more than one occasion. read the comments, too, nerdbra.
if you're not sick to death of the titular individual, this might be interesting.
do you stay up late nights wondering what exactly is the average and replacement value wOBA for each position? put that ambien down. no, seriously, put the ambien down.
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That looks like a stock photo
like the kind that comes free with Word or something. (generic ‘fist’ blocker comment)
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 14, 2009 8:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
and turns out Liz Phair is pretty hot. Who knew?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 14, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
'Pretty' hot?
God, I was in love with that woman for most of my teenage years. She is still, to this day, one of the most incredibly sexy women on the planet.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Nov 14, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*shrugs*
I was never aboard the lilith fair scene so this is total news to me. I just recently found out how smoking hot Poe was when Hey Pretty came out.
What has two thumbs and would drink her bath water?
this guy right here —>
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 14, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Pretty wasn't exactly recent.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 14, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ever seen "Head Case" on Starz?
Netflix is streaming Season 1, and Liz Phair makes an appearance. I think her name is in the actual episode title if you want to see just her.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 14, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
to reinforce this point, i will now enter her name into google images with safesearch turned off.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 14, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but in seriousness folks,
Quick google I wondered about when players empirically hit the wall. Anecdotal info says they hit their peak at 27 (guess how old holliday was during his highest WAR season) and start to really decline at 33 (I only found mainstream articles so I have no idea how empirical the 33 decline is). So looks like he’ll be a 5+ WAR player for at least 3 more years which will make him worth on the average 67.5 mil. I wouldn’t mind a 5/95. Unless someone can provide a SABR study (or anybody that has access to PECOTA. PECOTA is great, however, I don’t pay for a subscription past the season).
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 14, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think we have a winnar
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post once again, Tom.
And also, love the lack of capitalisation. We’ve been missing an ee cummings like presence ever since Lb left. You should stick with the format.
And why is it every time anyone brings up David DeJesus I immediately think of David Delucci, then find myself wondering why someone wants to trade for a player I thought was retired? It’s really irritating.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Nov 14, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree with rb on the lack of capital letters -
it is a nice touch.
BTW, I loved your pick of a pic for today’s post.
by cardsgirl95 on Nov 14, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i like the lack of caps too
but then, obviously i would . . . . . .
by lboros on Nov 14, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
as soon as I started reading I thought of the old days.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Nov 14, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i had to double check the byline
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Nov 14, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I realy like ee cummings
it’s a wonder his style has never penetrated further into the mainstream. As far as I’m aware (and I am by no means an expert!) there hasn’t really be any advances in the styles of poetry for over 100 years now – seems strange that his never really caught on.
Although, from what I recall, he used capitalization aplenty in a lot of his work – so (name aside) maybe it’s better described as the Hand of Borowsky?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your diatribe
on polite posting sounded a lot like my “advice” to my students about classroom discussions . . . and I’ve never before seen a blog(ger) express so clearly the need for such civility.
Right on.
by 643 on Nov 14, 2009 8:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fear not
It happens at least 3 or 4 times a year around here. This community is very interested in keeping things civil, otherwise the really good analysis is difficult to sort out and the discourse degrades into pissing matches.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SHUT THE HELL UP
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 14, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I was saying...
“How about a warm glass of SHUT THE HELL UP!”
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's dinner time, so how bout you enjoy a big bowl of SHUT IT STEW!
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by gdm426 on Nov 14, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WAR crimes
4. Do not cite WAR as a measure of skill. WAR measures production. FanGraphs has a lot more granular data if you’re trying to assess skill. And if you’re going to try to make a projection of WAR, regress each component individually. Also, players with negative WAR still may have value if they excel at a certain skill that can be leveraged.
Anybody want to share those components? FIP, babip, hr/fb?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 14, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is the quote box blue for anyone else?
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 14, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was confused too
The comment box is blue now too apparently
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 14, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gray for me
but strange nonetheless
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Nov 14, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Talking about Liz Phair
sometimes causes bluebox.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 14, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Grey.
Or gray. Whatever.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 14, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our young outfielders
I like Henley and DJ Tools as much as the next guy, tom, but they just don’t project to be 5 WAR players in the big leagues. I’m not a huge fan of MLE conversions, but using Henley’s AA numbers from 2009, he would have been a .238/.287/.361 hitter in the MLB this season, which are the kind of numbers you’d only like to see out of a pitcher-turned-4th-outfielder-that-shouldn’t-play-centerfield-but-seems-to-find-himself-starting-there-every-5th-day. I think he’s got some room to improve and after seeing him play a series last summer I think there’s some good talent there, but I also think it’s pretty unlikely that he’s ever going to be a 3 WAR player at the big league level — he just looks like a 4th outfielder type to me.
The bottom line is that we don’t have Jason Heyward in our minor league system, and we graduated Rasmus and traded Wallace, who were our only 4 WAR capable minor leaguers from a year ago. I don’t have a problem signing a free agent to a one year deal if we can’t afford Holliday’s pricetag, but only because I’d be interested in saving some dry powder for the likes of Carl Crawford who is in the last year of his contract and a prime candidate to be traded during the 2010 season, or for whoever we might be able to pry away from a team that is struggling financially, like the Tigers, Reds, or Blue Jays.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
mission 2009: avoid getting stuck
I agree with the sentiment of your last paragraph (don’t know enough about henley to postulate on the first half but I hope you’re wrong). This is a free agent class we need to sample . . . Maybe even lease, but not buy. Holiday would look great long term for 15M a year or less. If that doesn’t happen the goal has to be short term fillers. That means no on Figgens, Bay, Lackey (as if that’s an option), etc. We need to think stop gap in LF (Cameron, Damon, or anyone who will sign a 1 year deal) and a shut-down arm in the pen. Based on the recent comments of Wagner’s agent, I think he is trying to threaten the acceptance of arbitration to keep the BoSox from offering it. If they don’t and he doesn’t require the sacrifice of a pick, that left arm would look vicious in the back of our pen on a short term deal.
by Cardaholic on Nov 14, 2009 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i agree; i wasn't trying to overhype them.
I sure don’t think any are hollidays in the making.
I was more saying that we have some interesting players that are about a year away. If we can bridge the way to them with a high-yield player on a one or two year contract, we can have a lot more disposable income to put into the rotation or elsewhere on the field.
Anyway, if djtools and maybe craig in a platoon could make a 3-4 win left field for the cards, the marginal gain of signing holliday for the next six-seven years looks less compelling.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2009 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they're only a 2-win platoon
(which are very easy to make, btw – it’s my preferred way to get cheap, league-average production pretty much anywhere if you don’t have it internally) we’ve still got a probable 4+ win CF and a 3-win RF (if we extend him through his arby and another year or two, as I believe we should) in Luddy. 9 wins out of the OF, cheaply, ain’t shabby when you have in internal option at SS, perhaps 3B/2B (if either Freese or Descalso work out) and an all-world first baseman. That leaves us a LOT of dry powder for a pretty kickass rotation.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy to sign proven veteran players to short-term contracts
pretty much ad-infinitum, as long as we have young cost-controlled talent somewhere else – I don’t necessarily think a long term option is that necessary in LF, just for the sake of it (but yes, I too would love Crawford).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 cents on 9 conjectural figures
WAR etc as metrics that can be converted to salary make for interesting conversation, but the reality is that market forces and individual team needs will determine compensation in some relative way. even so, i don’t get how the sox (purportedly) offer bay 4 and 60, while others (see poll) think 6 and 110 is ok for holliday. the 50M differential, even for 2 additional years (at 25M each) is beyond the pale. i realize we know nothing until somebody, even cameron, signs, but even the most conservative option on the poll was for holliday to be worth 18M more than bay over the same period. if those two contracts were really on the table, i’d pick up bays and run like hell.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Nov 14, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bay vs. Holliday
Holliday is worth about twice what Bay is in terms of runs, due to his above average defense and Bay’s complete lack of defense. They are not the same, or even similar, players. In fact, Bay isn’t even the second best outfielder on the market and he’s probably barely in the top 5. He gives back a run on defense for every 3 runs he creates on offense.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not top 5?
Who is in your top 5 then? Forget dollars and years. For 2010 who are the 5 best outfielders on the market?
by Cardaholic on Nov 14, 2009 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I said "barely in the top 5"
He’s probably 4th in a very weak class, with Holliday, Cameron, and Damon ranking ahead of him, and players like Marlon Byrd ranking right around where Bay is.
Bay is a 3 – 3.5 WAR player. He gives you 4-5 WAR with the bat and gives back 1-1.5 WAR with the glove. Holliday gives you 5 WAR with the bat and 0.5 WAR with the glove, making him about 2 wins more productive that Bay over the course of a full season. That’s certainly makes him worth much, much more than Bay. Comparing them simply isn’t fair to Holliday as he is the superior player in all facets of the game.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bay's better than Damon
and he’s an interesting case because I think he could be better on defence than he is (or maybe something wierd’s happened the last two years with the Monster in fenway), as he’s been consistently appalling for 3 years but then was pretty average (or even a bit above) the two years before that. It makes me think “what happened? His defence seemed to disappear overnight”. Also, he’s relatively athletic (yes, I know his routes and arm are poor). I just wonder if there’s not the possibility of a bit of a defensive bounceback, if he’s willing to work on it.
But yeah, for me, Cameron and Holliday are streets ahead, even if his defence bounces back a bit, and I’m also concerned that Bay’s offensive toolset doesn’t look like it will necessarily age that brilliantly.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i understand
but what was holiday’s greater war worth in the playoffs? dropping the fly ball, watching 3 with the bases loaded, hitting .167 (or whatever)? i just see the limited pickings available driving holliday’s price (as agreed no. 1) above the cost of number 2 (or 5 if you like) PLUS flexibility in future years PLUS filling another hole as a bad decision. i was dubious about Mo’s dry powder, but he actually pulled the trigger. we can argue about merit of the deals, but the fact is they did not stand pat. that makes me a little more comfortable about not extending payroll to the max before the season begins. in short i don’t see holiday/boras accepting anything we can really afford and i hope mo is working hard on plan b.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Nov 14, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't sign players to help you in the playoffs
You sign players to help you in the regular season and you hope that they produce in the playoffs. The playoffs are a crapshoot — you put together the best ball club you can and then sit back and hope things go your way. They did so in spectacular fashion in 2006, not so much in 2004, 2005, or 2009.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well yeah, no one really ever "knows" but the business side of
the team.
And you have to throw in marginal wins. A 3 win player to the Pirates is pretty useless so they would be shopping for below market value. A 3 win player to San Fran will be worth paying above market value because of the marginal wins.
Still doesn’t mean we can’t armchair GM.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 14, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my biggest pet peeve is the WAR to Dollar figures
As someone with an Econ degree it drives me crazy. It takes away so many different elements. It just seems lazy but people go with it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 14, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Nov 14, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I do the exact thing I hate below but...
I just think the generic 1 win is worth $4.4M doesn’t factor in the free agent market for each position. Potential prospects coming up through the minor league system. Like if a bunch of good SS’s are coming up in teams minor league system. The value of free agent SS will drop.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 14, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
it’s value over a replacement player. For most clubs, there’s an internal option somewhere that will be better than replacement. The value we get from a FA LF will not be “above replacement” but above the effectively free (and probably reasonably decent) Allen Craig.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed this dig
(or possibly the starting SS at the high school nearest the stadium in kansas city)
however that may have been below the belt.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 14, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i promise
it wasn’t
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 14, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was
but really, there is nothing wrong with a nut-shot every now and then ( too soon?)
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 14, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know matty, as someone who's had one too many of those this week
i feel bad for KC. i mean they ain’t all bad. they have some killer BBQ. and George Brett
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by gdm426 on Nov 14, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my love for that dig is twofold:
1. there is a chance that a local high schooler is better than betancourt
2. it is a subtle reference to KC’s whiff on Pujols all those years ago
I love double edged digs
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 14, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think it was all that subtle
it was cold man…COLD. Funny nonetheless though.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 14, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true enough
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 14, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
first thing i thought
was the pujols inference.
would greene + jay net dejesus?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 14, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dayton Moore hates defense as much as Adam Dunn hates America
so I doubt it. I’d go with decent bats in the minors with eye-catching stats who don’t have gloves, like Mark Hamilton or Steven Hill, or toolsy guys like Adron Chambers. I wouldn’t mind using someone like Lynn as a centrepiece – I think we probably have enough internal back-of-the-rotation guys.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
MLBtraderumors reporting Cubs are working to get Granderson…I really like granderson, hate to see him become a cub…though he really cannot hit lefties at all
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's easy to take out of the game in the late innings
Trever Miller would own Curtis Granderson.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
but he’s still a 4-win outfielder signed to a good contract. If those 4 wins come in less than a full season (because he’s platooned) he’s actually MORE valuable, not less, because you still get the advantage of (say) 150 PAs from Allen Craig vs LHPs. He’d be a great signing for the Cubs (or indeed anyone who got him). I would love to make him a Cardinal.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
If they’re cutting salary, why are they taking on Granderson’s contract? He’s not grossly overpaid, but they have a guy who’s pretty similar already and they’re paying him $20M+ over the next two years (Fukudome). I also don’t know who they’d be trading to get him, Josh Vitters? Plenty of scouts have soured on him, and there just isn’t much else left in the Cub farm system.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vitters is about the only trade piece they have....
I just don’t see this happening.
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"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 14, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vitters is still being raised as a 3b yeah?
They have Ramirez and Lee, so it is very unlikely that Vitters would have a spot on that team. Kind of like a Brett Wallace guy to them?
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by Taskmaster on Nov 14, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vitters is 20, Lee is 34, Ramirez is 31
Now I don’t know if Vitters will ever amount to anything, but to think of getting rid of someone who has only played A ball as a teenager because they don’t think he has a place on the team? I don’t even think the Cubs are that incompetent. Heck, I think the thought that scouts may have soured on someone who hasn’t played professional ball for more than a few days after his 20th birthday is rather silly as well.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 14, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is also lee's last year in his contract.
i would not be particularly interested in resigning a 35yo Lee.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Hendry scorns your "logic".
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now that's grit
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Granderson + Soriano in the OF = 260+ strikeouts
they can take him, and Willis, and their contracts and give up some top prospects. Can we convince Hendry to make that deal?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 16, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you on this tom
soooo ready for the Holliday nonsense to end ( and it hasn’t even really began).
1. Holliday hires Boras.
2. Boras is more than likely to take his players into the open market.
3. The Cards trade for, and say they plan on re-signing, Holliday.
4. The Cards say they don’t want to get into a bidding war.
5. Boras as an agent almost guarantees a bidding war.
6. Mattyfrommo’s head explodes before free agent signing begins.
7. ?
8. Profit
I think I did that wrong.
I am pretty sure that as much as I did not like the trade before it happened, and as much as I DID like the trade after it happened, that right now I hate the trade, because ….well, I don’t like being so confused.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 14, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
short answer
holiday did sign with boras for a reason, so did lohse, but
holliday is not lohse and is in a much stronger bargaining position
lohse was running scared, mo caved, and that is not how i expect the holliday scenario to play out
play craig in left or trade him for someone who can (or sign someone who can platoon w/ him)
no sense sending craig back to AAA
plan d would not bother me too much: platoon craig and jay and keep some $ ready to act midseason (i agree with those that say crawford would be more valuable long term than holliday)
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Nov 14, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lohse got what he wanted
A Carlos Silva type contract. He wasn’t “running scared”, he got the exact contract that he was looking for prior to the 2008 season at the end of the 2008 season.
Thankfully we got a really good season out of him before giving him that contract.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not as concerned with the dollar amount as I am with the years.
If we pay Holliday 5/100, I’d prefer that quite a bit over the prospect of a 35 year-old getting $16M AAV from us for two or three more years as his value completely disintegrates. If our contract is $20 AAV with some money deferred and back-loaded to make it a bit more palatable…
meh. In all, I’m just not very interested in signing a guy long-term when he is already so defensively limited and overvalued. If Mike Cameron comes over on a 1-year deal, I could make peace with him playing center while Cranston Rammstein plays left for a season. With Kearns or Nady or an MiLBer as our 4th and Craig as our PHer, I think we could easily recreate the aggregate possible 5 WAR from Holliday for between half and three quarters of the money. A SP lottery ticket (Harden/Myers/Sheets/Bedard) with the rest of the money, and we could easily come out with a higher WAR total for less money.
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by hazel on Nov 14, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok...but here's the thing
WAR is Wins Above Replacement, right? Well, isn’t it quite possible that some combination of Smoltz, Garcia, and Boggs, for around $6-$7M total is as good or better than any of the pitchers that you list? And that Holliday, even though he is expensive, probably represents a 1.5-2 win upgrade over Cameron at the very least, and we’d still have Craig or Nady/Kearns as our 4th OF anyway.
If we’re talking marginal WAR here, Holliday provides more than any other option, because he’s probably going to be at least 2 wins better in LF than any other possible replacement that we could have for him there. I don’t think that Boggs, Garcia, or Smoltz are going to be replacement level bad in the rotation if we go that route. Harden or Sheets would be good signings if they are cheap, and there’s no indication that they will be or that they’ll be 2 wins better than Smoltz would be.
I voted for 6Y$110M because that’s the absolute MOST I would give up for him. I’d much rather see 5Y$96M if I had my choice of what to offer.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
The pricetag sucks, and I’m not saying to pay him Teixeira money. I think 6Y$110 with some of the money deferred is the absolute highest that we should go. Anything over that amount and I think we’ll be better off in terms of $ per win going in a different direction.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 14, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm with you on years
if we were an AL team, i’d be more willing to go with 6 years because matty has 35 y.o. dh written all over him. for us, 5 is max before i’d be moving on.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Nov 14, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our 2010 rotation thus far:
Carp
Waino
Lohse
(Probably Smoltz)
Garcia/Boggs
2010 Pen:
Franklin
Miller
Reyes
KMac
Motte
Hawk
6th starter
Of our current starting staff (1-6), we have only a single starter who threw a full season in 2009. In our pen, beyond the LOOGYs we have one pitcher who was above average in 2009 and he’s primed for regression. Our staff will have to produce somewhere around 1450 innings in 2009, with between 900 and 1000 of that coming from the rotation and the rest soaked up by the pen. Realistic estimates put the top six pitchers in our rotation at exactly 900 innings, a place we really don’t want to be if our bullpen is going to be such a crap shoot.
Is there a chance that Smoltz (42 and threw 78 innings in 2009 thanks to labrum surgery)/ Garcia (who is 23 and whose TJ surgery was 14 months ago)/ Boggs (5.12 BB/9) are going to out pitch Harden (career 3.53 FIP), Sheets (career 3.56 FIP), Myers (4.53 FIP), and Bedard (3.66 FIP)? There’s a chance, but it’s not a very good chance, and even if they do, we’re still on the hook for 100 innings that are set to be picked up by the 2010 version of wonderBrad or are going to further stress our shaky bullpen. This doesn’t even take into account the possibility of another 2008 Carp/2009 Lohse injury. I’d love to see Boggs or Smoltz get bumped into set up or closing duties if the happy accident of a career year from Rich Harden occurs.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 14, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is good analysis
but what makes you think that Harden (<150 IP in ’09), Sheets (0 IP in ’09), Myers (70 IP in ’09), or Bedard (who went down with injury in July and may not pitch until June of ’10 if at all) are going to help us if one of the other starters gets hurt?
I’m all for contingency planning, but the guys you list are all injury plagued starters that you can’t count on to be healthy, so how can you count on them as a contingency plan? If you had picked a Randy Wolf type who was going to come in an eat innings as a 5th starter I could see it, but you didn’t — you picked the 4 most injury plagued starters on the market. I don’t see why forking over $10M+ over one or two years to any of those guys INSTEAD of shoring up our LF or 3B hole with a bat that helps shore up our putrid offense puts us in a better situation as a ballclub.
If you could get two of those guys on 1 year deals for <$5M I’d be for it — but I don’t see any way that happens if we bring Smoltz back, and he’s the best of that bunch, imo.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 16, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nitpicking factual error alert
Randy Wolf is about as injury-plagued as it gets. I dunno if you could describe him as an innings eater – last year was the first time since 2003 he topped 200 IP.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to quibble a bit with this characterization
when he is already so defensively limited
Yes Holliday is limited to a corner outfield but he’s not that bad there. He’s not actively hurting you with the glove over the course of a season (post season ball drop aside) and, given his peers, is probably a bit above average.
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by azruavatar on Nov 14, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The opportunity cost of a LF spot being occupied for the forseeable future is what I was referring to mainly.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 14, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Opportunity cost of blocking our potential 5 WAR LF prospect?
With Ryan Ludwick moving on in a few years there is no real opportunity cost and I’m not sure what prospect would be blocked. As big a fan of Henley, Craig and Jones as I am, none of them profile as a Matt Holliday caliber player.
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by azruavatar on Nov 15, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Heads up if anyone is interested
They are showing Game 1 of the ’68 series on MLB Network right now.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 14, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Game over
It was a bit surreal hearing Harry Caray announcing a game in a lucid state. Also Bob Gibson is was so sweet it makes me want to crap myself.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 14, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My question of the day is:
What is a realistic trade offer for Carl Crawford to take over in left?
Apparently, he wants out of Tampa Bay.
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It would be a one year deal, right?
The option is picked up so it’s a one year deal. And he will file for FA in my opinion after the season. The chances of him signing an extension without trying out the market is slim/none.
So the question is, with good chance he is a 1 year rental, what is he worth? Do we even have enough minor league talent that WE don’t need and can part with in a trade?
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 14, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we'd be allowed to work out a deal before hand
since he is only upset because he wanted a long term deal in the first place, then it would be a good move.
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just say that it's my opinion no way
he signs before testing FA. Not based on anything other then a good agent would push him that way.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 14, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The obvious comparison...
is Holliday to the A’s last year.
Both are LFers with one year left before free agency. Holliday was set to make $13.5 millon, Crawford $10 million. Holliday was a 390 woba guy set for a post-mile high decline, Crawford is a 370 woba guy who would likely do better in the NL. Holliday is above average defensively, Crawford is way above average.
The price for Holliday a year ago was a top prospect, another prospect who projected as a #3 or #4, and a really good closer in his arb years.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 14, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know that what the metrics say
but watching every game matty played after he came over, i cannot fathom the idea that he is an above average outfielder, even in left.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Nov 14, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CANNOT. FATHOM. EITHER.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 14, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i explain it by looking at what other players actually play left field
by FunkeeC on Nov 14, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
his peers include jason bay, adam dunn, and the pathetic shitstorm we had occupying left for most of the year (dry-humper)
it’s not that difficult to be above average in LF.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So in continuing with my original thought...
it might take a Ludwick (equivalent to Wallace – slightly better because of the “known” quantity), Boggs/Hawksworth (equivalent to the #3/4 – slightly worse because it’s more like a #4/5), and a good right-handed arm out of Memphis’ pen (a Scherer, Salas, Kinney)? Am I right?
Addition: Not saying yet if I’d do this or not because I don’t know if I’m right on what to give up.
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They want prospects....
or first year players. Wallace/Carlos Gonzalez/Rasmus + Jaime Garcia + Chris Perez…
A Cubs version might be Vitters + prospect + Marmol. I don’t know if the Rays even like Vitters enough. It’s going to take a top 20 prospect and then a couple other very good players.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 14, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jones/Boggs/Sanchez might get it done
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, in retrospect, it probably wouldn't.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's probably worth $5-10M plus he's a likely type A.
That’s probably around $17M depending on if he wants an extension upon arrival (he’s definitely worth a good long deal). That could raise or lower the value of the trade, but in any case it seems unlikely that we are real contenders for Crawford since they’re saying he’s worth a boatload of prospects.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 14, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this type A/B
ranking system – does it seem a bit dubious to anyone else? i read that crawford would’ve been a type B this year had the rays not exercised the option. in any event, rays would likely want stud young arms for crawford when they pull the plug since they seem to have a stockpile of good position prospects. or an established closer without a crazy contract.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 14, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so we convince them that Franklin is an established closer
and offer him and a couple A-ball (C-/C overall?) prospects.
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a deal with boston
would make perfect sense for both parties, except for that intra-division thing
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 14, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If that means that...
Boston isn’t getting Holliday and we have a better shot at keeping the $ amount lower…ok.
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Rays' GM really likes...
Chinese food. How about we send him an order of Gen. Tso’s Chicken and a bucket of crab rangoons.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 14, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a little light
gonna have to add another bucket, or a number 6.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 14, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rough Guess
Crawford was worth $12M in 08 and $24M in 09. So splits the difference and worth $18M in 10. He gets paid $10. So he is a +$8M player for 2010. Than add the value of draft pick. Supplement pick with probably $2 to $3M. Another $3M if he is a Type A.
So about $11 to $15M worth of prospects.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you're saying that the pu pu platter...
of Scherer, Hawksworth, Xavier Scruggs, and Rock Racobaldo won’t get us Carl Crawford? You sure? Positive?
Well, shit. Back to the drawing board….
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 14, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Z-O-U
Are they playing right now?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 14, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just won big on the road at K State.
38-12
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danario Alexander's
new nick name should be “i wanna be a first round pick”
by stlfan on Nov 14, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Super Nario
he’s such a fucking stud
by Ray Lankford on Nov 14, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Just found it. I just don’t want to watch Florida/SC. Although watching the Gamecocks lose is always fun.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 14, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gah I had to DVR it
thought VEB would be safe….oh well
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 14, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for gdm - "explain to me again what 'outrighted' means."
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That bear's cute!
Too bad he would probably eat me.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 14, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
must resist urge to comment
argh!!!
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 14, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really can't say anything anymore.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 14, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
probably should've resisted the urge
to “no comment”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 14, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think it means i have the right to your bronco
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by gdm426 on Nov 14, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gdm...
Where did you get that phat picture of Smokey the Bear trying to eat Joe Thurston?
Holliday.
Uh huh, oh yeah.
Holliday.
He will be so nice.
by Red Blazer on Nov 14, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the one where he's pointing & says only you?
probably a google image search
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by gdm426 on Nov 14, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. I mean the one above where smokey has him trapped on the other side of Thurstons Bronco.
Holliday.
Uh huh, oh yeah.
Holliday.
He will be so nice.
by Red Blazer on Nov 18, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea
sorry i can’t be more help
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by gdm426 on Nov 19, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SI
anyone read that article on awards votes by the seven scribes? carp got 3 cy votes to 2 for both lincecum and waino. that surprised me, but i myself never penalized carp for the IP differential because:
a.) i’m biased
b.) the differential was due to an injury, not performance (he wasn’t pitching a cumulative fewer innings per start because of ineffectiveness)
c.) when sabathia and lee are being mentioned in this vein it doesn’t seem to matter to those writers that they pitched so few innings in the league – carp’s fewer innings are a blip in comparison.
anyway, for the first time, based on that vote i think carp has a real shot.
the AL, btw, was unanimously greinke, and apu and mauer were unanimous mvp (no surprises there)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 14, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carp has a shot because it was a comeback story
People like feel good stories
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 14, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know, i for one am not sick of the Lego story yet
i mean, because i knew this was going to happen when the trade was made. which is one of the many reasons why i hated it & still do. Lego is the best free agent available in a very weak class. there was no way in hell boras was going to let him not test the waters & see if he can land another sucker. what he hopes happens is Dewitt & Co freak out & bid against themselves or the Yankees, Dodgers or Angels. which they keep saying won’t happen. so there’s going to be all this stuff leaked & reported till he finally signs somewhere. 99% of it will be total BS. but were still going to hear about it & discuss it because franky what else are we going to talk about?
Free Allen Craig?
SIGN BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS?
anyway, all i’m saying is i expected it. and you all should have too. i’m not going to say i told you so, but,,,,
it’s only the 14th of November. dig in & throw some moar logs on the fire. it’s going to be a long, cold, dark winter.
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by gdm426 on Nov 14, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought that kitty was a mole or something at first.
I don’t know why. I think there is too much white.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 14, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought you'd love it
when i saw it the other day i said to myself “a kitty face palm? Cgirly will love this”
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by gdm426 on Nov 14, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I also like moles so I thought it was cute the whole time.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when you have a house with a yard you'll stop liking moles
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have shrews in my backyard.
My little puppy likes to play with them. By play I mean pick them up and toss them in the air which breaks their necks and then look at them and wait for them to run again so he can throw them again.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha, that souds like my mom's jack russells
they like to chase them & eat them whole without even chewing them. then after they do that, they run away & hide because they think they did something wrong.
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh he doesn't want to kill them.
He wants them to play. He doesn’t realize that his version of playing is deadly.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah her dogs have an evil streak in them
their grandpa & dads entire side of the family were all trained to hunt & kill small game like squirrels, rabbits & gophers. but they are just regular uber hyperactive house dogs that when they see a rabbit or mole a switch is flipped & they all hanniba lecter on the poor thing. i never knew baby rabbits & moles could scream till they got a hold of some.
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My big dog ate a rabbit once.
And then threw it up in our living room.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cleaning up dead puked up animal is never, evar fun
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why my dad did it.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's times like that will it really sucks to be the man of the house
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, will never tire of the gdm photo blocks.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 14, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hand to the GOB's, it didn't start out as one
when i hit the preview button i was like, “that’s missing something.” so i went diggin through the old photo account & that’s what i came up with
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the first cat picture I've really liked.
So cute!
by peach concrete on Nov 14, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this thread lacks interesting subthreads...
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 14, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting day in college foosball
USC gets whipped, The OSU grabs the Rose Bowl spot, Florida and ’Bama stay unbeaten, DII playoffs started, etc.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
AN Ohio State is grammatically correct… there are multiple campuses. Hence I believe one should use an indefinite article. If you think I haven’t made that my personal mission you’re crazy… those jackasses brought it on themselves with the whole THE Ohio State nonsense.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 14, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I'm of the same opinion
just not as passionate not being from that area. There are a couple of other schools that do that though I can’t remember who right now… doesn’t Penn St. use “The” also?
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 14, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami started it, OSU copied it & some other tools i can't think of say it
but i don’t think anything is official like Miami & OSU
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami at least of Florida
did ‘The U’ because when I think Miami… I think last vowel of the alphabet… At least they were cool about it and did the U Cutter… AN Ohio State people are some of the biggest toolbags I’ve ever met in my life.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they are insufferable tonight
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is that news?
The sun set… that’s how they are every nite.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it worse becuase of how they won this afternoon
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be great to see them get slaughtered
by a second rate Pac 10 team in the Rose Bowl…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know ducttape, it really will be
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yawn they handegg stuff is boring
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your boring
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you make grammatical errors, HA
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so's your face
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know sometimes words hurt
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohio is the land of colleges.
I kind of highly dislike Ohio State just because of that.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you lack interesting subthreads
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BURN!
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
....
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice work
I really miss that show.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I am only worried about the Mets really. The Yankees won’t sign Holliday because they want Austin Jackson to develop and not be hamstrung by a contract such as Holliday.
The Giants don’t seem to have the payroll available from what I understand on several outlets.
The Red Sox would probably prefer the proven production of Bay
However, Minaya is impulsive enough to hand out contracts that it might happen there. However, the Mets have so many holes, they might just go another route such as Lackey, Molina, etc.
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-ChronicHoosier
by Taskmaster on Nov 14, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Have the Yankees ever been hamstrung by a contract?
When you have more money than god is that an option?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 14, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well even they cut their payroll for 09
i’m not sure what their 2010 looks like though. they are talking about re-uping Jeter too so he finishes his career there. i can’t even imagine what they’ll pay him to stay another 5 or 6 seasons. i can totally see them coming in at the last second for Lego though like they did with Tex last winter. and i guarantee you Boras is betting on it too.
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they'll have to pay Jeter ricockulous money
Well at least not in Yankees adjusted dollars. I think he wants to finish there just as much as they want him to finish there.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they'll pay him whatever he wants
but what sucks for them in about 3 or 4 seasons he’s not going to be able to play SS anymore. then what do you do with him?
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he's a Gold Glove caliber defender...
that never goes away…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the mets ain't gonna do shit
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it spring yet?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
let's ask fang
nope, guess not
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh is that what it's like Kirksville right now?
So glad I didn’t go to Truman.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if only I knew my geography better
oh well
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope he makes it through the night
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sadly he will be found like this
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RIP fang
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do you want me to make another tombstone?
I’ll do it!
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the body's barely cold man
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks pretty cold to me.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said???
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too late
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the years should be 2000-2009
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's too late GDM
nine year old Fang will forever be thought as 10-109 years old
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
this made me LOL
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, tell me I may sponge away the writing on this stone!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of hol(l)iday overload
A churchyard. Here, then, the wretched man whose name he had now to learn, lay underneath the ground. It was a worthy place. Walled in by houses; overrun by grass and weeds, the growth of vegetation’s death, not life; choked up with too much burying; fat with repleted appetite. A worthy place!
The Spirit of Contract Negotiations Future stood among the graves, and pointed down to One. He advanced towards it trembling. The Phantom was exactly as it had been, but he dreaded that he saw new meaning in its solemn shape.
‘Before I draw nearer to that stone to which you point,’ said The Agent, ‘answer me one question. Are these the shadows of the things that Will be, or are they shadows of things that May be, only?’
Still the Ghost of Contract Negotiations Future pointed downward to the grave by which it stood.
’Men’s courses will foreshadow certain ends, to which, if persevered in, they must lead,’ said The Agent. ‘But if the courses be departed from, the ends will change. Say it is thus with what you show me!’
The Spirit was immovable as ever.
The Agent crept towards it, trembling as he went; and following the finger, read upon the stone of the neglected grave his own name, Scott Dean Boras.
‘Am I that man who lay upon the bed?’ he cried, upon his knees.
The finger pointed from the grave to him, and back again.
‘No, Spirit! Oh no, no!’
The finger still was there.
‘Spirit!’ he cried, tight clutching at its robe, ‘hear me! I am not the man I was. I will not be the man I must have been but for this intercourse. Why show me this, if I am past all hope?’
For the first time the hand appeared to shake.
‘Good Spirit,’ he pursued, as down upon the ground he fell before it: ‘Your nature intercedes for me, and pities me. Assure me that I yet may change these shadows you have shown me, by an altered life?’
The kind hand trembled.
‘I will honour the tenets of fair negotiation in my heart, and try to keep it all the year. I will eschew the evils of unsavoury leveraging practices. I will live in the Past, the Present, and the Future. The Spirits of all Three shall strive within me. I will not shut out the lessons that they teach. Oh, tell me I may sponge away the writing on this stone!’
In his agony, he caught the spectral hand. It sought to free itself, but he was strong in his entreaty, and detained it. The Spirit, stronger yet, repulsed him.
Holding up his hands in a last prayer to have his fate reversed, he saw an alteration in the Phantom’s hood and dress. It shrunk, collapsed, and dwindled down into a bedpost.
Yes! and the bedpost was his own. The bed was his own, the room was his own. Best and happiest of all, the Time before him was his own, to make amends in!
‘I will live in the Past, the Present, and the Future!’ Boras repeated, as he scrambled out of bed. ‘The Spirits of all Three shall strive within me. Oh, Matt Holliday! Major League Baseball, and the Hot Stove be praised for this! I say it on my knees, old Matty, on my knees!’
He was so fluttered and so glowing with his good intentions, that his broken voice would scarcely answer to his call. He had been sobbing violently in his conflict with the Spirit, and his face was wet with tears.
‘They are not torn down.’ cried Boras, folding one of his bed-curtains in his arms, ‘they are not torn down, rings and all. They are here — I am here — the shadows of the things that would have been, may be dispelled. They will be. I know they will!’
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hehehe
you said “intercourse”.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not; Dickens did.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 17, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU SAID IT!!!!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i mean it's a little early for it, that's all
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's sad.
Meanwhile it’s 75 and sunny down here in South Carolina. I imagine in the southern paradise that is St. Louis it is even warmer.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so you're saying kind of good news-bad news?
Good news – it’s 75.
Bad news – you’re in south carolina.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 15, 2009 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I love South Carolina.
So that is good.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was down there in 94 & from what i saw i liked it, i liked it a lot
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where I am is probably one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
The mountains are so beautiful I can see them from my window.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we went to myrtle beach
then one to where the BMW plant is. my dad’s company almost got the contract to haul them, and if they did we were going to move down there. i have no idea where that is though, i think it’s about 2 hours sw of myrtle beach
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a friend thats lived in South Carolina for 3 years...
and he wants to get out so fast that hes taking a job in Alaska that only pays $2K more than hes making now. I’ve never been to South Carolina does it suck that bad?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 16, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No it's awesome.
Your friend is strange. Alaska? Does he like cold? In that case South Carolina would suck.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why I fear the Holliday
I fear further defensive regression and loss of speed turning him into this guy in 2 years. (hint: it’s Carlos Lee).
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 15, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
too bad the NL doesn't have DH
otherwise we could take on a bad fielder such as guerrero.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they either need to make the NL have the DH or get rid of it
i don’t remember baseball without one, and i think both leagues should have one if they are going to have one
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should not have it at all.
It’s fake baseball.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm undecided on whether to have it or not
the thing is though,when pitchers get hurt batting(ala Carpenter), they get hurt doing something they suck at,this makes me more towards the DH.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think it's fake baseball
many pitchers can’t hit worth crap. take Carp for instance, you don’t think he’d like a DH every time he took the mound? he’d have wrapped up the Cy in august if he had one
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's part of the game.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh, i don't know
i kind of like the idea of having a guy who just mashes
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the same boat.
It was so weird reading Ball Four when he was talking about them testing out the DH and how it was going to be a new rule…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
new UZR fanshot
surprisingly, holliday projected as slightly better than dejesus in 2010.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 15, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
forget holliday yo
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alright, this has been bugging me all day
who & what is that pic of with today’s post? it looks like a lord of the rings thing, but i wouldn’t know
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
dude it's from chronicles of narnia
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, thanks. i haven't seen that either
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well go see it
decent movie.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no don't fall for his tricks
before you know it ,you’ll be wearing pocket protectors.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's 2:30 in the morning, the only place i'm going is to bed
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well us here in the midwest enjoy the extra hour we have before 2:30
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wimp.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sick damnit
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No excuses.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i could die
do you want me to die cgirly?
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you die not having seen those movies it would be horrible.
It’s a risk you’ll have to take.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here's the movie link for a quick view
http://tvshack.net/movies/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia__The_Lion__the_Witch_and_the_Wardrobe__2005_/
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would it be that bad?
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Yes it would.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll put them on my bucket list, how about that?
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
get over it!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm trying!
f’in pandemic
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even
with the guerrilla ad campaign?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So wonderful.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude did you hear about webster's football team today?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
My mom was at the game and called me to tell me all about it.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
freaking insane.
now i get to go on friday. excitement!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is an awesome movie.
You should see it. Also you should see Lord of the Rings. How have you not seen these? Where do you live? Your basement? Oh wait…
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i just don't get into those fantasy films
i’m not dissing those that do, it’s just not my scene
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now I can repect you,GDM
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh now you can?
not because of the other billions of great things i’ve done, but simply because i’m not into fantasy movies
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's as simple as that
but those billions of other things were ok as well
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tough crowd
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chronic...what?....cles of Narnia!
(anyone seen that skit from Saturday Night Live?) Might be the best skit of the last few years, along with the Natalie Portman rap.
by stlfan on Nov 15, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is it bad im only going to the rams game tomorrow because i wanna see the saints?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 15, 2009 2:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good...didnt wanna be a hometown traitor
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 15, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're from LA?
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im young enough where the rams have been my only football team
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 15, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah well they suck & aren't from the STL
it’s more than ok for you to go see the saints
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please no moar handegg
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With a win next week the Clemson Tigers will go to the ACC Championship game.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yawn
Iowa is the only team I will follow, and that’s because I go there.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CJ Spiller became the first Clemson player
to throw a TD, run for a TD, and catch a TD pass.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
booorinnng
handegg just bores me. It’s something about them playing only one game a week then ESPN analyzes the same damn game for a week.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last week a radio station named the singing of We Will Rock You at Death Valley by Clemson Tiger fans
one of the best moments in college football.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's so special about that?
this is the first i’m hearing of this tradition
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a tradition.
It was just awesome. 83,000 people all singing We Will Rock You. Not just the chorus, the whole first verse and chorus. Gave me chills.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to mention this was during the FSU game.
The first night game at Death Valley in 2 years.
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by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me want to go to a Clemson Game
Queen is spectacular
I don’t even like handegg
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by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone should go to a Clemson game.
I also don’t like handegg, but I love Clemson handegg games and now Clemson handegg because of it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really,you're going to keep this up?
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm running out so no.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so sorry
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you should be
we were so good, and now this
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the fact
that Iowa was your choice for college, and then by default you have to root for that athletic program…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 3:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well I live in Iowa and Iowa city isn't far from where I live so it's easier to visit home once in awhile
of course there’s that whole independent thing about moving as far away as possible, but i don’t buy it.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not so much the independent thing
it’s that it makes it much harder for your parents to get all up in your business if you’re several hours away from home. But I’m an Illinois grad so hating Iowa’s athletic program is coded somewhere in my DNA…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't independence for me.
I just wanted out of Missouri. And Illinois is ridiculously expensive for out of staters.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TRAITOR
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not from LA so it's cool
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know Cardinals fan= Rams fan
but it’s ok I sort of hate football.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Cardinals fan most likey = from St. Louis
and from St. Louis in many cases = Rams fan so it is an okay assumption.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also I assume that since slu is going to the game
fang assumed he lives in St. Louis, which makes it even more plausible he is a Rams fan. Although the game could be in New Orleans. I really have no idea.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's in st. louis...
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 15, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no it's in the STL
but there are probably a lot of saints fans going
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by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my brother is a big saints fan
he loves NOLA
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
100% off topic but....watch this:
Bugatti Veyron crashes into a lake
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 15, 2009 2:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i saw that two days ago on jalopnik
that guy owns an exotic car restoration company & owns an Enzo eddie griffin crashed for the movie Redline
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just such a sick car to do that to....freaking 2 million dollar car
the car can get to 150 mph in 8.5 seconds
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Nov 15, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the story as to why he did it is f'ed up
he said a pelican flew in front of the car, and that caused him to drop his cell phone, and then the wheel went into the mud & the car slowly went into the water. well as you can see, that totally did not happen. so he’s probably in trouble with the cops & his insurance company.
and they do not cost $2 million, it’s $1.2 new + options. but they are very, very rare. it’s easily the greatest car ever made
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 15, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I understand it's a lie...
but who in their right mind would be on the phone while driving a car like that? That would be the first clue to me something was amiss in his story.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well here's another OT post
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8360569.stm
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, stop.
Never again.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 3:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
only at 2:00 will I ever consider it
sleep deprivation can affect judgement
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's at 2:00 when my temper is shortest.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one time is enough, I can understand
every time I try to find this site I end up clicking the link twice, if that makes you feel any better so be it.
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
son of a bitch
i’m to drunk for tag
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll remind you next time, I find you on VEB
"A great catch is like watching girls go by the last one you see is always the prettiest."- Bob Gibson
by CodyG on Nov 15, 2009 3:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I need more alcy
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 4:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luckily you can wander around til 4 to get some booze
I love Chicago and it’s crazy places with super late last calls/ times they stop selling.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 4:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
I was drinking some of my friend’s beer tonight who owes me money. gotta call in those loans sometimes, at least to some extent
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 4:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ran out though
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to go to The Green Mill a lot on Saturday nights
5am was when they closed
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I randomly ended up at Hangge Uppe
or however they spell their name… But the one I was most impressed with was the liquor store on Belmont by the L that was open til 4 in the morning… and had someone checking ID upon entering…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 15, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
yeah, been to that place a few times :)
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always hit up the Hidden Cove Karaoke Lounge when I'm up there
mozzarella sticks at 4 am!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 16, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda miss living in uptown...
but Ukrainian Village is pretty awesome I must say
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chrome ftw
“Stop this page from producing additional dialogues”.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 15, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If CodyG is going to keep this up
I may have to look into Chrome.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 15, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
get SR Ware Iron instead
it’s the same but better
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
waino is fun to read
He can throw a 94-mph cutter, come back with a 94-, 95- or 96-mph fastball with sink on it and throw that to both sides of the plate. He dominates in so many ways, and yet the physical talent he has doesn’t even stack up close to the mental talent he has.
What I mean by “mental talent” is Chris Carpenter goes into every game with 100 percent belief that he’s going to win every game. There is no doubt in his stuff or his arm. He goes into games with a ferocity that I haven’t seen in anyone else. That has been the major turning point in my career, just getting close to Chris and having that part of his personality rub off on me a little bit, even just a fraction of it. He’s the best in the game as far as mental toughness. He’s the most mentally tough pitcher I’ve seen, been around, or even read about.
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 4:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's excellent
where’d you read it?
this summer i was chatting with a friend in ny when he dared compare jeter to pujols.
“Whadya mean?” i asked.
Answering my glare, “You know, the MAN, the one guy on the team that nobody would dare cross…that’s all,” he swore.
“Oh. Then you mean Carp,” i said, “Chris Carpenter is the man.”
He was puzzled, of course. Yankee fans are unaware that Albert Pujols is the mang.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 15, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there were 2 articles on stltoday.com I think
one was Carp writing about why Waino should win, and vice versa. they were both really good to read, I’m surprised no one has posted a link to them?
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted a fanshot for this btw
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of hollidays
talked the gf into buying one of these tonight, at a “lego store” in anaheim, under the guise that it will make cute little lego cakes to give to her cute little piano students for Christmas:
reality is that I’ll probably use it to make an enormous voodoo jello shot and then stick him in a blender head first if he doesn’t re-sign. mu-wa-ha-ha-ha-ha.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 15, 2009 4:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
awesome.
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
give the jello shots to the kids
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 15, 2009 5:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget the nuts
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
never forget
the nuts
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 18, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
got to see an astronaut speak a few weeks ago
he was talking about repairing the hubble, almost single handedly saving the program. he also mentioned the space shuttle program will be getting phased out, because they are developing something new that is much safer.
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/displayStory.cfm?d=2010&story_id=14742752
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2009 4:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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