SBN, BBWAA, CY, MVP
by DanUpBaby on Nov 12, 2009 6:00 AM EST
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| Rk | Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Tim Lincecum | San Francisco Giants | 18 | 13 | - | 129 |
| 2 | Chris Carpenter | St. Louis Cardinals | 9 | 4 | 7 | 64 |
| 3 | Adam Wainwright | St. Louis Cardinals | 4 | 4 | 10 | 42 |
| 4 | Javier Vazquez | Atlanta Braves | - | 5 | 7 | 22 |
| 5 | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | 3 | 4 | 13 | |
| 6 | Ubaldo Jimenez | Colorado Rockies | - | 1 | 1 | 4 |
| 7 | Cliff Lee | Philadephia Phillies | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| 8 | Jair Jurrjens | Atlanta Braves | - | - | 1 | 1 |
More gestures in the direction of the Manny Ramirez Postulate? Cliff Lee had 12 starts in which, by FIP, he was not as good as Lincecum and Carpenter and slightly better than Adam Wainwright; he also had 23 starts in which he did not appear. Even the class of this genre, say C.C. Sabathia 2008 and Randy Johnson 1998 (four shutouts in 11 starts), would have a hard time making up value on this group of starters; Cliff Lee?
Lee aside, I think this is a pretty fair list, although I'm not sure I can see a case for Ubaldo Jimenez as the second best pitcher in the National League (or on the Cardinals, for that matter.)
And now, the one that hasn't been sitting in my inbox a day too long—the one, the only SBN National League MVP is going to be revealed... after these messages.
| Rk | Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Albert Pujols | St. Louis Cardinals | 31 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 434 |
| 2 | Hanley Ramirez | Florida Marlins | - | 6 | 8 | 11 | 2 | 1 | 2 | - | - | - | 220 |
| 3 | Chase Utley | Philadelphia Phillies | - | 7 | 11 | 2 | 3 | 1 | - | 1 | - | 1 | 192 |
| 4 | Prince Fielder | Milwaukee Brewers | - | 5 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 7 | 1 | - | - | - | 186 |
| 5 | Troy Tulowitzki | Colorado Rockies | - | 4 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 134 |
| 6 | Tim Lincecum | San Francisco Giants | - | 4 | 1 | - | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 1 | - | 79 |
| 7 | Ryan Howard | Philadelphia Phillies | - | 4 | - | 1 | 4 | 1 | - | - | 3 | 1 | 79 |
| 8 | Ryan Zimmerman | Washington Nationals | - | - | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | - | 2 | 79 |
| 9 | Adrian Gonzalez | San Diego Padres | - | - | 1 | - | 3 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 71 |
| 10 | Pablo Sandoval | San Francisco Giants | - | - | - | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 57 |
| 11 | Matt Kemp | Los Angeles Dodgers | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 3 | - | 1 | 56 |
| 12 | Ryan Braun | Milwaukee Brewers | - | - | 2 | - | - | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | - | 39 |
| 13 | Chris Carpenter | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 1 | - | 1 | 2 | 25 |
| 14 | Derrek Lee | Chicago Cubs | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 25 |
| 15 | Andre Ethier | Los Angeles Dodgers | - | - | - | - | 1 | 2 | 2 | - | - | - | 24 |
| 16 | Adam Wainwright | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 1 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 23 |
| 17 | Javier Vazquez | Atlanta Braves | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 16 |
| 18 | Matt Holliday | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 12 |
| 19 | Joey Votto | Cincinnati Reds | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 11 |
| 20 | Mark Reynolds | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | 2 | 10 |
| 21 | Todd Helton | Colorado Rockies | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | 7 |
| 22 | Jayson Werth | Philadelphia Phillies | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 6 |
| 23 | Adam Dunn | Washington Nationals | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 3 | 5 |
| 24 | Juan Pierre | Los Angeles Dodgers | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | 4 |
| 25 | Justin Upton | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| 26 | Raul Ibanez | Philadelphia Phillies | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| 27 | Ubaldo Jimenez | Colorado Rockies | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | 1 | 4 |
| 28 | Brian McCann | Atlanta Braves | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | - | 4 |
| 29 | Arizona Diamondbacks | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | - | 4 | |
| 30 | Michael Bourn | Houston Astros | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 3 |
| 31 | Yadier Molina | St. Louis Cardinals | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | 3 |
| 32 | Nyjer Morgan | Washington Nationals | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| 33 | Yunel Escobar | Atlanta Braves | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | 1 |
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Surprised at the Tulo love - I didn't notice that he had such a strong year.
Nyjer Morgan is kinda funny too. Pirates blog having fun again?
I really think Lincecum is too low on the MVP vote, given his general awesomeness this year.
Also, anyone who didn’t vote for three out of Tim, Carp, ADAM and vasquez for the Cy are just plain wrong.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
not surprised about tulo
arguably the best SS in baseball, but who honestly gives todd helton a 4th place vote?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
who uses a *shoe*?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Carp
when luggage isnt available
by Macarver hater on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Tulo is a stud.
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
he has that annoyingly endearing cheer going for him
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I thought there were more?
claps, I mean.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
clap, clap
clap clap clap
clap clap, clap clap
TU-LO
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Tulo WAR, 2006+: -0.6, 5.3, 0.8, 5.4
H-Ram WAR, 2006+: 4.5, 6.0, 7.6, 7.3
Tulo is awesome, but I think it looks safely past argument that Hanley is and has been better (even if you only consider the years where Tulo was healthy).
Note: H-Ram has a career -25 UZR and Tulo +9, so since they play the same position I think this looks like a simple bat-versus-bat battle; both have hovered around the zero mark for the past two years defensively.
those are the two best
but i could see h-ram changing positions eventually. tulo is the best defensive SS in the league (with boog), imo, even though rollins gets the love. so i’d say h-ram is the better of two very good hitters, but tulo is the far superior defender
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
wat
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 12, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tulo is the best defensive SS according to what?
Per UZR, he has saved 8.9 runs above average over his entire career. Everett matched that last year alone, and Ojeda/Andrus/Izturis/Janish/Ryan/Wilson were higher!
have to admit
i am still trying to comprehend UZR.
the w/e for “productive outs” would suggest strongly there is no such thing as a productive out, but once you examine the definition it makes sense. redefining productive out would lead to a different conclusion – in other words, the definition is as arbitrary as that for a save. so, i am in the process of wrapping my mind around UZR, because some of the conclusions make no sense. now, it could be my trained eye that is wrong, but i won’t know that until fully understanding UZR.
this preamble is to say, i didn’t go by UZR but rather my eye and then some stats that i understand, and they seemed to support my eye fairly well. I know tulo didn’t win the GG but neither did pujols, which doesn’t change that pujols is the best 1B.
So, my numbers: Tulo was 2nd in F%, a stat that means nothing, I know, but being first seemed to net Jimmy the GG. So let’s just say tulo doesn’t commit alot of errors, OK? Now maybe he doesn’t field alot of balls, which would negate that, but he does – he was second in Total Chances, as well as PO and Assists (pujolsian). Tulo was also third in DP’s.
that’s all i got. i thought it was pretty accepted that tulo was a top defender at SS, though. and i am an unabashed fan of his to the point i’d take him over hanley ramirez, just to be honest.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
also astrostl
i noticed that you listed some AL shortstops and when i said in the league, i meant NL, just to clarify. In the AL i really like bartlett, but i don’t know if UZR does, and of course everett is exceptional. i haven’t gotten to see andrus except a few highlights.
And, back to tulo, watching him play it’s apparent he has excellent range and arm and is sure-handed, and the numbers i cited seem to bear that out. He also rates high on more advanced stuff like +/-. Any ideas as to why UZR is less kind to him?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I quoted all those guys to show how many were capable of besting Tulo’s UZR runs saved above average over his entire career in just one (1) year.
The defensive #1 and #2 per +/- were both in the NL, one right in our backyard:
“Jack Wilson was the best shortstop in baseball last year. Period. We don’t care which league he played in. He led all shortstops in Run Saved by a wide margin (27 runs saved to Brendan Ryan’s 19) and has taken over the MLB lead for most Runs Saved over the last three years (51).”
Taking it at face value, UZR isn’t as kind to him because he’s objectively worse when looking at “The number of runs above or below average a fielder is in both range runs, outfield arm runs, double play runs and error runs combined.”
I think you're quite right
Tulo is a very good defensive shortstop. There are better gloves (Ryan and Andrus, to name two, are unquestionably better in my view), but, of the shortstops who can actually hit a lick (i.e. not Ryan and Andrus!) he’s as good a fielder as they come.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions
I saw two arguments: the first was that he’s arguably the best SS in baseball, but WAR has Hanley running away with it over a 3-year period (including one with horrible defense). The second was that he’s the best defensive SS in the league, but UZR and +/- both have Wilson way on top with several others still ahead of Tulo. But even if it is best-fielder-who-brings-a-good-bat, Hanley has him dead to rights on offense and is even marginally better in UZR over the last two years.
That’s not to say Tulo isn’t awesome – he is, but I don’t see a convincing statistical argument that he’s Hanley-awesome.
Just remember Tulo's quad tear in 2008
that just wrecked any hope of having a good defensive season. I strongly feel he’s still starting to get his “groove” back or whatever we’re gonna call it.
Hope got in my eyes
by Andrew Martin on Nov 13, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primate_studies/discussion/lichtman_2003-03-14_0/ and http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primate_studies/discussion/lichtman_2003-03-21_0/ have some deep UZR overviews, but since then things like double play runs have been added.
Albert is the best 1B, but that is because of his combined value through offense and defense. If we’re looking at defense alone, he was 11th in the NL (a big contrast with +/-, which still has him first).
I think our eyes can deceive us, and that we can only look at so much; if I’m watching a game on television, the timing and camera changes alone are going to make it difficult to assess range because I usually won’t see the full response of the fielder from the point that contact was made – just one example.
thanks for those links
i’ll read them in a bit, that’s kinda what i was looking for. i’ve been trying to figure out how they calculate range – positioning and speed of ball would be important, for instance – and how much that is weighted into the formula. Range is the one component that i think might skew things a bit toward inaccuracy. I just don’t know.
albert is a great example. he’s the best defensive 1B in the league per The Fielding Bible yet i believe you said 11th in UZR. And i read that UZR doesn’t like ichiro so much. And i think UZR only attempts to measure batted-ball defense and in no way takes into account awesome defensive plays made on things like cutoffs, etc., and also isn’t designed to credit albert for fielding a grounder and throwing across the diamond to get the runner trying to advance to third rather than just getting the out at first.
All that said, UZR might be a good one-stop check-up on a player’s D, but relying strictly on UZR would be akin to judging hitting on only BA or OBP and completely ignoring SLG.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
They calculate range the same way +/- does: start by dividing the field into mini-sections and contrast performance from there.
We don’t have the formulas side-by-side for public review, but +/- has been considered to be a subset of UZR, or that they share many features with UZR doing more. Examples of this are pitcher/batter handedness, base/out states, and pitcher groundball/flyball tendencies.
Ichiro’s career BIS UZR/150 (number of runs above or below average across 150 defensive games, a full year) is +7.7 in CF and +11.0 in RF. I don’t know where you’d draw the line about it not liking him so much, but he’s considered a plus defender in every season except 2002 CF, where he played just 22 innings. He was tied for 2nd-best RF last year, and barely behind the #1 Nelson Cruz.
As for taking out the lead runner, I think that UZR would take care of that by way of base/out states; if Pujols fields a grounder and the runner at second base disappears, I would expect it to notice and credit him appropriately.
On single-statting it, there are gaggles of defensive metrics out there: fielding percentage (FP), zone rating (ZR), revised zone rating (RZR), probabilistic model of range (PMR), plus/minus (+/-), and ultimate zone rating (UZR) to name a few (in my own ascending order). But if you look across all of them, I doubt you’re going to find that Tulo compares favorably with, say, Jack Wilson (#1 this year per both +/- and UZR) averaged over the last few years. And injury is no doubt a factor, but without statistical support I don’t see how Tulo can be called – even arguably – the best glove in the league. That data can be used to cross-examine Pujols too.
ichiro
looking through fangraphs for UZR articles, one of the ones i didn’t read was about how/why UZR doesn’t like ichiro – maybe the writer was arguing it didn’t like him enough. i’ll go back to that one.
my opinion was that tulo and ryan were the best defensive SS’s in the NL. i wasn’t considering AL guys like bartlett, everett, andrus, wilson, etc. until the kid in milwaukee has a chance to show his stuff, i’ll stick with those two.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think you’re focusing too much on the mere mentioning of AL shortstops (Wilson played 2/3rds of his innings last year in the NL) and not enough on the numbers.
2007 UZR: Tulo was 2nd in UZR with +14.9 to Vizquel’s +20.2.
2007 Plus/Minus: Tulo was #1 with +35 (Dewan has crudely suggested dividing by two in order to convert plays to runs, so it would be +14.9 UZR and +17.5 Plus/Minus – very close).
2008 UZR: Tulo didn’t have enough innings to qualify, but would have slotted into 8th with -0.2 to Rollins’ +12.8.
2008 Plus/Minus: Tulo didn’t make the top ten or bottom six (putting his score somewhere between -12 and +7).
2009 UZR: Tulo was 9th with -1.2 to Furcal’s 8.0. B-Ryan didn’t have enough innings to qualify, but would have slotted into 1st with +10.6 (but if you also slot in Janish, he was +11.7 even though he played 200 fewer innings that Ryan).
2009 Plus/Minus: All we know about Tulo from public data is that he wasn’t in the top three. B-Ryan was second with +17, though.
These dual statistical defensive breakdowns correlate perfectly with his injury-prone 2008 season. That’s a bummer, but it’s also reality. And maybe he’ll bounce back, but so far the stats say that he hasn’t and that’s why I don’t see how he could be considered top-two.
2009 plus/minus
tulo was fourth. so he and boog were top 4. who were the other two?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Dunno, it’s not public :( Just read that “Tulo finished fourth in the NL and eighth in the majors in Plus/Minus at +11” at SI though, so that would be a -1.2 UZR to a 11 Plus/Minus (5.5 crude runs, although I’ve heard of it being converted to runs saved rather than plays made so their +11 may now actually be runs).
UZR and RZR both have him well below his 2007 self (.861 RZR and 87 OOZ compared to .800/42 this year), so Plus/Minus is still the statistical outlier so far. PMR uses BIS for its data too – just like UZR, Plus/Minus, and RZR – but I’ll be on the lookout for what it says about Tulo when the 2009 data is published. And I’d really be interested to see what those same formulas would say with STATS data, if that gets published again.
astrostl
i enjoy an argument with you – it is educational and you’re a heck of a good sport. i think i’d be devastated if it ever came out you were juicing this whole time.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
:)
Your openness is refreshing. And I’m of course hopeful that what I read and quote is correct, so there’s my bias, but I’ll make sure to earmark Tulo’s 2009 season on any defensive updates I see. If it pushes to a tie I think I’ll lean toward the +/- voting and fan scouting to say that you and the Rockie fan eyes had it right all along.
On defense, that is, not overall value ;)
cardball - re: Ichiro
I don’t know where you heard that but UZR LOVES Ichiro. It has him (career) saving 11 runs per season over the average RF, and 8 runs per season over the average CF. It is very difficult for any defender to save more than that over a significant time period (I think Carl Crawford is one of the notable exceptions, along with Scott Rolen of a few years ago).
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with UZR on Albert
I feel he was significantly worse in the field this year than he’s been previously (although more due to errors than range).
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
UZR seems to be the only defensive metric that didn't like Tulo this year
RZR, Fielding Bible, etc all suggested he was top flight, which is what he looked like when I watched him
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 13, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I see him as 9th among 12 qualified 2009 NL shortstops with .800 RZR and 42 OOZ (the qualification requirement throws out Boog’s .834/54 and and Janish’s .861/20). All I know from the public Fielding Bible data is that he’s below +17 and not in the (MLB) top three, but I’d love to know what the rest of the voting was without having to buy the 2010 Bill James Handbook :) Anyway, that RZR looks far from top-flight to me.
Nyjer that low seems crazy to me
Pseudo-referendum on UZR?
I would have held him pretty high, FWIW :)
FWIW,
Bill James Handbook has him as the NL 2009 CF Runs Saved leader, at 15 (That Gutierrez guy is decent, posting 31, more than 2nd and 3rd place combined). Morgan second in NL CF +/-, with 15 as well.
Free Milton
True nuff
never seen the guy pitch, yet the numbers suggest he could be a top 5 pitcher in the whole of baseball. Wierd. Could end up being a FA/trade bargain as a result, I imagine…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'd actually start wearing pants
so I could get happy in my pants if we could find a way to get Josh Johnson.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
die, meme, die
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 12, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1 for each team, then there is like BtB, DM, MLB Trade Rumors and Fantasy
Maybe one of them got a vote?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 12, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
You mean Daily Dish?
I don’t think Trade Rumors is a SBN blog, and I think it is BtB that gets the other vote.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Daily DICK I call it!
HA! In your FACE, SBN!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
The correct term is
Suck it Trebek SBN
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"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by far my favorite snl series of all time
I love how Connery literally doesn’t care about ANYTHING outside of fucking with trebek. It’s like warren and his baseball or lil jon getting crunked. Something endearing about it.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Buck Futter!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 12, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I will never be able to not laugh at that
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 12, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Slacker.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
i'm still sick damnit
i don’t even want to think about what else i’m missing out on
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That sounds like one nasty bug gdm, to have held on this long.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 12, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
this damn thing just won't die
my mom, brother & nephew are sick with it too. i thought i was all better saturday, i got out of the house finally & felt normal. but i woke up sunday feeling even worse than before. i had to run just a real quick errand yesterday & that totally wiped me out. i’m useless today. ugh
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Same here.
I felt a little better for a day or two and it’s gotten worse the last two days. Blah.
Now with extra feisty!
gdm, why'd you get spants sick over the internet?
i guess spants needs to turn on her . . .
VIRUS protection.
YEEEAAAHHH!!!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i think this happened the other way around
I remember her reportedly sending him some baked goods. . . allegedly brownies. Perhaps a little biological warfare backfired on her?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that shit was medicinal. that's what i heard at least.
for gdm’s glaucoma.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
sounds like it was some bad stuff
I think I’d rather just deal with the glaucoma if I were gdm
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i didn't want to say anything
i didn’t want to upset you or give people the wrong impression
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Really?
B/c you brought it up twice. But it’s cool. I’m the one with no integrity.
Now with extra feisty!
when was the other time?
see, this is exactly what i didn’t want to do, yet somehow i did it
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no it's not cool
you didn’t do anything wrong & i don’t want people to think you did
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The CSI:Miami meme may be my new favorite
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
just for the heck of it
nexdef’d, I’m sure, but still funny. . . a million internet dollars to anyone who can make it through the whole thing
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
tom, you forgot the shades.
D-.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like you're not living up to your sig, spants.
I feel sorry for the both of ya. That being sick stuff sucks.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
try being sick and at college
twice as bad.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
i've been doing it all week with friends, family, and professors
why stop now, especially since i feel sorta shitty again?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
6ly.
His pity whoring knows no bounds. He clogs up my Facebook wall (not really)! Actually just a conversation with one friend.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
creeper
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Dude.
It was on my stupid news feed. There was nothing I could do.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
dude i know
i’m just giving you shit.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I know.
I really wasn’t upset.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sell it!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe this is why Colby doesn't learn a lot in our lessons.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
just making sure
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
And it's cold!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
AND IT'S EFFING COLD TOO!
how could i forget!?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Is it snowing?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
yep, it's just piling up
it’s been snowing since i got here in august.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Why is it twice as bad?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering how I got it
f’in gdm!
No, I didn’t get it THAT way. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
we're still waiting for you to 'splain that green stuff on your junk.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I would hope that JD
wouldn’t know what the green stuff is that’s growing on mattyf’s junk.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
f'in Star Trek conventions
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
all I am saying
is stay clear of Orion slave girls
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think somebody messed up
Usually NL votes are two per city for a total of 32 (28 for the AL). The SBN votes went 31 first place votes in the NL, 29 in the AL. Doubly weird is that Mauer won the AL MVP, but with only 28 votes overall out of 29 (24 first, 3 second, and 1 third). I haven’t checked the numbers thoroughly, but maybe one of the NL sites sent in an AL ballot.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
I got to the fifth spot and my allergies kicked in
started tearing up…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
MB
Quote from Rangers blog:
Bradley said after signing with the Cubs that he didn’t play in some selected games with the Rangers down the stretch in 2008 to protect his statistics in order to put himself in the best negotiating position.
Is this true? And if so, oh heeeellllllz no. There’s only one mang allowed to even think about padding offense statistics.
After the All-Star break, he played in just 46 of the team’s final 66 games (70 percent), citing various minor injuries, occasionally pulling himself out of the lineup late and causing a significant amount of frustration among teammates who were trying to post the Rangers’ first winning record since 2004.
And this is supposedly where he liked to play.
That can’t be cured with luggage.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I don't know. I have a hard time believing this.
The author just says “Bradley says” and does not use any quotation marks on the first passage you note. If Bradley really “said” that (directly quoted), then I think his baseball career would be over. The suggestion is that, in Aug or Sept 2008, Bradley was not thinking about baseball on the field right now. He was thinking about how to scheme his way into a good deal. That just seems incorrect.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
yeah, I'd think that was bordering on fraud, actually
tough to prove in court but there ya go. No way he admits to that unless he’s even more dumb than I thought.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
why do you assume Bradley is not that dumb?
How much evidence do you need that Bradley is either incredibly stupidd or mentally ill (IMO, he clearly has some sort of mental illness/imbalance).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 12, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
You need actual evidence,
not conjecture.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Actually, I'd need evidence
if I wanted to have him committed. I don’t need anything but anecdotal observation to question his intelligence or mental health on this baseball blog.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 12, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
You need evidence
Or at least a fucking quote, so that anyone else will actually believe and support your conjecture.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 12, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he assumes we watched the season
and figures this is about the same as saying “Rick Ankiel has difficulties as a baseball player”.
but in any case, that’s a fair request. y’know, if y’all are going to discuss it and not just shoot down whatever he digs up.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"milton bradley is fuckin' insane"
seriously, though, outside the well-documented anger-management issue, he does seem to have an underlying (antisocial) personality dsorder. when a guy comes up to me on the street babbling incoherent shit i just figure he’s nuts, but i suppose it could be an elaborate act and the joke’s on me.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
damnit, who told cardball about the joke?
sonofabiatch we almost had him!
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gdm, you met cardball on the street?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm sure that no one could do it better.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
you crazy SOB
you really had me going – it was like you were channeling your inner milton bradley…but then clemsongirl probably thinks there’s a little milton in all of us.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's funny that you think this...
but in any event, here’s your “fucking” quote…
http://blogs.suntimes.com/cubs/2009/09/memory_lane_with_cubs_milton_b.html
Of course, we’re not going to settle the issue of Milton Bradley’s mental health with snippets of shit off the internet. I’ll continue to think that, based on my observations of his actions on the field and his statements off of it, he is mentally ill in some form or fashion. And you can go on thinking whatever it is that you think (or not).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
the numbers at least are easy to check.
I dunno, I took some schadenfreude pills watching the Bradley thing unfold, and I don’t remember him saying anything about padding stats.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I emailed the guy
I asked him why he did not use actual quotes if Bradley really said that, or even what Bradley said that could make him (writer Evan Grant) infer that. We’ll see if I get a response.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
Future Cardinals watch
an extremely, extremely blurry picture (save to high quality!!) of Sam Carpenter and AJ Pujols about three years ago.
I think AJ owns this town.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That is Chris Carpenter's wife?
Excuse the cynism, but that is one handsome woman…
I want the Walrus back...
his son
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
it could be anyone
1. that was probably the Father’s Day thing at Busch, so all the families were there
2. almost all the non-Hispanic wives are blondes
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Or is she snapping the camera
of the camera snapping the photo of a photo being taken?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
aaaahhh.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
There's more
Just because Alyson is Sam’s mom does not necessitate that Alyson is Chris’s wife
Free Milton
A simple google search
reveals nothing.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Well then you,
Chris Carpenter poses with his wife, Alyson, and children Sam (4?) and Ava (10 months). 6/18/06.
I want the Walrus back...
Their credentials are Straussian at best.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
everyone knows turkeys prefer the marsh
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
what is the sound of one camera snapping?
/koan fail
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Unanimous
That’s awesome. Sadly, I fear the BBWAA, in all their wisdom, will not grant Pujols the same outcome. Don’t get me wrong. I think he’ll win the MVP, just probably not unanimously.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sad to see SBN bloggers doing things similar to what the BBWAA does...
Somebody left Hanley off their ballot?
Five(!) ballots didn’t have Utley in the top ten?
And how did SBN release these tables with DAN HAREN’s name blanked out?
That’s bush league…
DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN
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DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN DAN HAREN
MB for LF in 2010!
ouch
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Who is this "Dan Haren" you speak of?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
funny, I wasn't chopping onions
damn these allergies
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I collapsed your comment.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 12, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
meme can be dead now?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 12, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
What's with all the meme-hate lately?
Is meme-hating a new meme?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 12, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
people hate stuff.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ahaha that's exactly what i was thinking
I was wondering when the counter culture culture was gonna hit here. It’s the loop all over again. I’m gonna go grab a PBR.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
are we freestyling right now?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I think she's singing Culture Club.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I hate the fist thing
Because it wastes space on top of no longer being funny.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
smaller fists?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
/not ganna go it.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
but it would be prudent.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You know Fritz,
it really would.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
Yeah, I hate all memes and they are dumb and lame.
Am I doing it rite?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Because it wastes space on top of no longer being funny.
MOM! THE TUBES ARE GETTING CLOGGED!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
i also just don't think it is funny
I don’t remember the last time the fist thing made me chuckle or smile.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
It was funny the first time.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
just looked it was 3 months ago
I blame all who reced that post.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
it was hilarious at the time, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Right. Because there was context.
Now it’s just this:
In fact, that should replace Fist.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 12, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think the lack of context is precisely the funny thing
but maybe I’m too much of a Python fan. Meh.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
I like that it must confuse the shit out of anyone who didn’t read the original thread.
I get up early on the east coast – one of these days I’m going to dominate you hand over fist
Free Milton
no, he's in the future.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
but monk will be up before we are though?
i don’t get what you mean. unless we stay up all night, how can we be awake & at the computer before he is?
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monk is 5 hours ahead of us out here on the east coast
6 hours ahead of everyone in the STL. if dan or whoever puts up a post at 5am, that’s 4am STL time. i doubt anyone here will be at the computer & ready to comment at 4am on a tuesday. but that’s 10am for monk, so he very easily could be at work or wherever he is on a tuesday morning reading & ready to post.
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But usually Dan's posts are up at not 5 am.
Usually I am around when the fists are posted. I just don’t do that meme or post first because usually I have nothing interesting to say.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
And I get time zones I was just playing along.
And today the post was indeed up at 5. I guess I should check to see if they are usually as I realize I may have no idea.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
And actually apparently they are
But yesterday the post was up at 10:59 what’s everyone’s excuses then?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
red almost always has a mid morning post
or a early afternoon one. it’s his thing.
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yesterday
I was literally typing out a response on RB’s post. But someone jumped and posted “fist”.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
you gotta beat the boss
to be the boss.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
See, you start with a DeLorean,
then something about a Flux Capacitor and Michael J. Fox in his underwear. But it gets fuzzy after that
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 12, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
bracken said to wait for a Wednesday, when rb posts.
Thus, it doesn’t matter that he’s 5 hours ahead.
Now with extra feisty!
i am generally anti-gif, but i had to rec this one.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I keep this handy for just such occasions
by brackenthebox on Nov 12, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ha,
see, I really like that.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Potential titles for gdm's biography?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
up button
the comment he replied to says: “The first time probably was the last time.”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
ohhhh yeah, that's funny
but that would mean i’d get a first time, and that would mean a woman would find me attractive, and that would mean Satan is now online looking for a good furnace repair man
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please no.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
i am honestly at a loss when it comes to her
and i think she likes it that way.
i want to believe she’s turned a corner, but considering i hadn’t talked to her in months & the last thing i heard she was engaged, i really don’t know what to think or do. it’s just came from so far out in left field & so out of character for her to do this. to me at least. i can totally see her doing it to a guy she’s really into. but me? unless i missed something she’s never ever in all the years i’ve known her ever given any hint she was into me.
i have no idea what to do, and it doesn’t help any that i’m still sick & feel like crap.
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maybe it was a wrong number.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that's what i thought too
i wish i could have seen my face when i got it. three days later i’m still in shock. but the few texts we exchanged she made it clear she sent it to me, but not why she sent it
i get this is waaay OT & probably too personal for many, but if you all know anything about me, you know this type of thing does not happen to me & how i might have no clue what to do
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I have it figured out
she heard that your nickname was tripod?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I don't want to give my opinion.
Because I judged her immediately and I know nothing about her so my opinion is based off of a snap judgement that isn’t fair.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
doesn't exactly scream relationship material does it?
at one time in her life she really was one of the better christian girls i knew. but her x husband really did a number on her, and now i think she’s lost & scarred & she doesn’t know what to do. there’s so much to the story i’m not at all going to get into, cause it’s not the time & place. but i really do think she wants to do the right thing, i just don’t think she knows what that is anymore.
if i was any kind of man though this wouldn’t be a issue. but i’ve screwed up my own life so much, i’m not in any kind of position to be of any help. obviously i want to, but i can’t, and i don’t know it i ever will be able to.
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this is nonsense.
I don’t buy that who “believe in yourself, i think i can, i think i can”…but this is just nonsense. Literally.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Advice from shit my dad says:
“That woman was sexy…Out of your league? Son. Let women figure out why they won’t screw you, don’t do it for them.”
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Nov 12, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha
i like that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
someone write that down
no that came out wrong. what i mean is i’m not where i want to be in life, i’m not as independent as i should be. it would be a great idea if i lost weight, yadda yadda yadda, you know, just normal stuff i’m sure everyone has running in their mind.
i know i’m good enough for her, heck i’m too good for her. she’d be lucky to have me. f’in lucky
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by gdm426 on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then what are you worried about?
You’ve put yourself out there, she’s got to decide what she wants. I’ve been where you are, and all I can say is that things have worked out very well for me and that they probably will for you too. You seem like a stand up guy with a good sense of humor.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
of course he is a ginger though
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
that's a cheap shot!
i guess i’m worried about being rejected again, that she’s just messing with me again. or it’s for real & i end up epically disappointing her & she ends up hating me.
what upsets me is i had finally moved on & was really ready to go. then boom, she comes busting right back in & now i don’t know what’s the right move & whats the wrong move.
f’in women
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GO FOR IT!!!!!!!
i want a step mom!!!!
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
This was going to be my advice.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
:(
n/t
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know.
But this is what happens. As soon as you move on, they come back. Run.
Now with extra feisty!
well i haven't tried to contact her yet
i’m trying to be strong, but it’s really difficult to
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
GO. FOR. IT.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't listen to him
Romantic comedies don’t happen in real life, fang
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
It's the right move
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
i knew a guy
always advised avoiding this girl or that, the whole time hitting on them himself
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well it was much ado about nothing
just got the confirmation
you may now go back to your regularly scheduled lives
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I was right then.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
go to bed.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I tried.
I can’t sleep. It’s upsetting me. I have to wake up at 6 tomorrow to get basketball tickets.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Clemson got a basketball team?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
they any good this year?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
My mother claims
they’re ranked. I haven’t checked. I just like the games. We should be good.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
truman's going to be good too!
wait…
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah she was f'ing with me
she claimed she didn’t know what sending a dude a pic like that says. which is total BS. she knew, she f’in knew
i can’t believe i was stupid enough to fall for that again. f me
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
text her back
C U Next Tuesday.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
She knew exactly
what she was doing.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
As previous threads have shown
relationship advice on VEB = win.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
This whole subthread was like a big
internet hug. I threw up a little in my mouth.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
i apologize Az. it won't happen again
i mean i don’t plan on bringing up this subject anymore
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
well if it was only a little
we will have to try harder next time
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ohh
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
who said it had to be a woman?
I’m just sayin
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You guys need to get up earlier, then
and circumvent it :-)
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I have one request:
For some reason the past two fists are very creepy and startle me whenever they pop up on the screen so if you could fin a fist that isn’t frightening that would be good.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
The proletariat soviet one was pretty good
but seriously, the wierder the fist, the morer the funs!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
meme-killing became cool
they started writing poetry. that’s where the kids go wrong.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
i've always
disliked to dan haren meme for some reason
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 12, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I was against it
then he pitched against us
that was too painful.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
wow
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Howard
There were 4 people who thought that he was the runner-up for MVP and 17 people who thought he wasn’t one of the ten best performers this year. Very interesting.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
It makes you wonder how each voter went about filling out his or her ballot.
Did they all do research? If so, what metrics and stats were used?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, we can at least figure out a portion of it...
The guys at Bleed Cubbie Blue voted for Howard 2nd, and its pretty clear that Al is leery of sabermetrics.
Free Milton
From what I've heard
Al is leery of logic of any sort. Namely logic stating Wrigley is a dump.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Ba-ZING.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
My buddy has been banned from BCB twice...
He says a lot of people on second city hockey have similar stories… apparently Al is channeling his inner Ryan Braun
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I'm not a Cubs sympathiser by any means, but I really like Wrigley
it has a heck of a lot more history than Busch 3 does, and it’s not an ugly cookie cutter like 80% of the fields in MLB right now. I actually don’t think Busch is a bad stadium, but personally I think Wrigley’s better. I get quite annoyed with people saying stuff like “Oh, but the toilets are scummy, the facilities aren’t very good”. If you want to pay 30 bucks to go for a piss, be my guest, but personally I rate the ambience, history and atmosphere of a stadium much more highly than its facilities (or lack thereof). Additionally, Wrigley looks great from the inside (I don’t really care what stadia look like from the outside – with the exception of the colloseum they’re all mostly ugly) and is actually in an OK (well, interesting) neighbourhood, too.
Just my opinion, of course!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I've never been to wrigley
but I’m in no hurry to go. I could care less about framing the intangibles. I’m on the “polishing a turd” train on this one.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Well it definitely has some flaws
But its a matter of taste, I think. I like the character and iconic nature of the place. It’s got a very different feel from any other ballpark I have been to (granted only like 10, mostly on the east coast) in a good way.
Plus the drunken atmosphere of Wrigleyville is endearing.
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I went for a day game
and, although I can’t remember, I suspect we had middling seats (i.e. quite a long way up, but behind home plate) and I don’t remember it being any worse than any other stadium I’ve been to (like, four of them) for drunken antics. I wasn’t wearing any Cards gear or anything, but then I don’t think I would in Wrigley (and it was a game vs the Astros anyhow).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
I can unabashedly say
That Wrigley Field is one of my favorite stadiums. I’ve seen probably 100 games there, and with the exception of the one where there were a million homers in a rainout (including a Pujols granny) and Eli Marrero broke his leg, I enjoyed every single one of them.
Wrigley has no history
if you want to make the case for Wrigley history we had better be talking about the Bears. The only Cub related history is Babe Ruth calling his shot… The place has all the amenities of 1914. It is literally falling apart. The place is a dump and the area around the stadium seems to attract huge douche bags. I’m not a fan.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
*Good history
If you leave anything standing for 90 years without anything cool happening there, it gets old not historical. It’s a crappy stadium with crappy sightlines with beams in your way, crappy concourses and Braunian fans.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 12, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you take "cool" to mean "winning the World Series"
Again, I can’t argue. But that can’t be the standard for being “historical”. Check out this list. Highlights:
-May 2, 1917: Jim “Hippo” Vaughn and the Cincinnati Reds’ Fred Toney both pitch nine-inning no-hitters before Jim Thorpe drives in a run in the 10th inning for a Reds victory.
-June 26, 1920: In a high-school “inter-state championship” game between New York City’s Commerce High and Chicago’s Lane Tech, just-turned-17 New York player Lou Gehrig slugs a grand slam to lead his team to a comeback victory.
-August 25, 1922: The Cubs defeat the Philadelphia Phillies 26-23 in what remains (through 2009) the highest-scoring game in major league history
-October 1, 1932: Babe Ruth of the New York Yankees hits his famous “called shot” in the 5th inning of Game 3 of the World Series.
-December 21, 1941: Two weeks after Pearl Harbor, the Bears win the NFL Championship Game, over the New York Giants, 37-9
-May 13, 1958: Stan “The Man” Musial of the St. Louis Cardinals achieves his 3000th career hit, in a pinch-hitting role
I stopped in the ’50s because this is pointless. Is it a dump? Sure. Is it one of the most famous icons associated with Major League Baseball? Yes. The ivy, scoreboard, rooftops, etc. are all etched in history. A game at Wrigley is not the same as a game at a place like Bosse Field, which is just as old but not as historical.
Free Milton
and the 'hood is cool.
even if a little braunish.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
My personal preference is better than yours!
Stuff like that happens at every Major League park. If they had let Sportsman’s Park stand for another 50 years, it’d still be a dogshit park for the modern fan but a lot of stuff would have happened there. So what. The fact that a lot of stuff happened anywhere doesn’t change one bit my viewing experience at a game. I don’t think “hey Babe Ruth called his shot right there” I think “hey I hate being crammed into tiny seats angled the wrong way behind a pole”, but that’s me.
Not afraid to nitpick
I, not being a robot, think differently.
But I like old stuff.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yup.
a shitty stadium and a shitty team.
but white people seem to like it…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Nov 12, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
(I fail to see why the Bears playing there for 50 years doesn’t count towards the place’s history)
Free Milton
My point was really that's the only history there,
but still.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I read your first one as
-May 2, 1917: Jim "Hippo" Vaughn and the Cincinnati Reds’ Fred Toney both pitch nine-inning no-hitters before Jim Thome drives in a run in the 10th inning for a Reds victory.
And I thought, “shit, has he REALLY been around that long? No wonder he couldn’t play the field for the Dodgers this year…”
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
My visits.
First time had to sit behind some huge column and couldnt see the game. Second time the couple in front of me had to be moved to different seats by usher (not the singer) becuase the plumbing was leaking on them overhead.
Also, trough urinals.
Place is a dump.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 12, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the new owners
are upgrading from troughs to at least mid 50’s urination technology
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
too much change is a bad thing
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm sure the fans will make due.
I’ve also heard they’re looking into how to get warm food and cold beer to the people there. I have a feeling those owners may well have an Icarus situation soon.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
The guy at the Diamondbacks blog...
submitted his CY ballot according to ERA+.
So that’s another screwy way to go about it…
MB for LF in 2010!
I like how people pretend ERA+ for one year is different from ERA.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
woah...wait...what?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
rank this years era leaders.
then rank this years era+ leaders.
Discuss.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ERA+ is just distance from league average ERA.
The only reason it’s more useful than ERA is to compare pitchers in different years- Pedro’s 1999 ERA was better than Gibby’s 1.12 ERA when they are compared as ERA+.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
For example
Kershaw is 5th in ERA this year, 11th in ERA+ due to park adjustment.
Not afraid to nitpick
Ah, alright.
For some reason I’ve never given a crap about park adjustments, so I forgot they were part of ERA+.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Well, I've been skipping past most stats and looking at only peripherals for so long,
I don’t ignore parks when they benefit my arguments, but I tend to gloss over them even then. Park adjustments kind of bore me and I haven’t really ever researched them to decide who does them right, how they’re done etc. I probably should.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I'm the same way - I throw evidence to the contrary under the rug
Still, park factors make a huge difference and is a big issue I have with wOBA. WAR makes a park adjustment, but wOBA is what it is.
Just make sure when you use PFs to take a multiple year regression if possible – things get noisy in just one season
Free Milton
ya that's certainly one use for it
and the reason why it was developed, but as joker just pointed out its park adjusted.
also I like it because its just easier to see who’s above/below average for that year instead of knowing that “4.12 was a league average era”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
come on, it has a +, it must be better
by brackenthebox on Nov 12, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
So right.
Just like Pabst Blue Ribbon has a big blue ribbon on it. Anything that wins a blue ribbon has to be good.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 12, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Can't say I like the Cy Young results
but I guess I agree… Oh and,
¡¡¡¡¡¡ALBERT ES REDICULOSO!!!!!
I want the Walrus back...
Also
somebody thought Matt Holliday was the 3rd most valuable player in the NL? If his contribution really made the difference between us making the playoffs and not, I could just about swallow that, but really, with the way the Cubs and Brewers fell away, and the fact that we clinched with a couple of weeks to go, I think we’re in the post-season (and may actually have gone to more than 3 games, without his poor hitting record vs the Dogders and NutsackGate!) with or without Lego. Certainly, even despite his excellent production for 2.5 months, he WAS only here for 2.5 months and only added about 3 WAR.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
I agree
it would’ve been closer, but August was such a padded schedule for the Cards.
NutshotGate?
you know, all Holliday-season long, I commented on his ability to nutmeg middle infielders. He was finally caught when he left that skid mark, and I thought that the GOB had exacted their vengeance. Apparently that wasn’t enough to appease their bastardry.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I took a trip
around SBN’s baseball’s blogs to see what other teams thought about these results. I have only one thing to say: I am glad to be a Cardinals’ fan and blog on VEB…
I want the Walrus back...
any specific blogs to check?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
wow
way to go all fielding percentage on my ass, philly
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 12, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
It makes going medieval a lot more literal.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
fielding percentage is antiquated and flawed
like the middle ages.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You clearly have never eaten at Medieval Times
Because there is certainly no flaw in that
Free Milton
we should bring this thread back to bacon
where it belongs
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
SUPERFLUOUS SUBJECT LINE ENTRY
so one poster references fielding% in a Cy Young discussion thread and you use that to indict the whole blog as being “medievalist”?
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Yeah.
We’re fuckers like that.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
A man can build a thousand bridges...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yawn.
Also, you misused the word medievalist.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Also, subject lines have another good use
They make it a lot easier to identify particularly stupid things people say by clicking on their name.
Free Milton
I believe they sell their own Good Phight laser pen in the merchandise section.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
They didn't like it when
I brought up the lasers or batteries when they were discussing how classless the Wrigley bums were for drenching Victorino.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
until someone cuts you.
it’s a tough crowd here in VEB.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Why do you want them to be better?
Bradley is certainly an upgrade over the garbage they ran out there in 2009
Free Milton
I also don’t like subject lines. But I fear spants stabbings.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
you should like them
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
god i still get creeped-thefuck-out
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Looks like something other then Sosa's bat has been corked.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 12, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
That.... makes no sense....
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think he was referring to the implants.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
You have to wonder about some of these teams...
The cut off for Super-2 was 139 days. Adam Jones had 139, but lost the tiebreaker, and Mark Reynolds had 138. The difference in salary for both is probably around $4-5 million.
If I were a GM, I wouldn’t call up anybody before June 1.
MB for LF in 2010!
If I were the GM for the Orioles or the D-Backs, I wouldn't.
Or the Royals or Rays or A’s or Rockies or…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If I was a GM
I’d have already offered Adam Jones a ridiculously long contract.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
47 years,
$47M
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I can see that conversation...
“Think, as soon as your contract runs out, you’ll be able to draw social security!”
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Agreed
although I just looked at his FanGraphs page and was surprised how poor he was this year (he was basically average, I thought he was approaching star territory). Obviously there’s still growth yet, and he improved his hitting peripherals quite a bit from the year before, but, anyways, suffice to say I was surprised he wasn’t better in 2009.
Markakis too – people have been saying he’s going to break out for a while now, I thought 2009 was the year, especially after he went apeshit in April, but then he ended up having a BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE offensive year and being barely average overall.
A lot of young talent in that club but I’m not sure they’re going to be players in the ALE anytime soon.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think they could be a couple of years away
if they’re young pitchers pan out. Jones, Wieters, and Markakis is a nice core of players to build around.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Yeah, I thought that
but then when I checked, Markakis (who is presumably pretty much expected to be approaching his peak now?) was pretty much an average corner outfielder last year, same with Jones. I’m sure both will improve but I actually thought they were both like 4+ win players now. They’ve got a lot of growing to do.
I think Matusz is going to be really solid, and Bergesen was a nice find, however, I am a little concerned that there isn’t a bona-fide ace approaching MLB readiness. Maybe Tillman will do something but again he looks more like a #2/#3-type to me. I sort of get the feeling they’re stockpiling 2-3 win pitchers, not a bad thing I suppose if they can save a bit of money and go splurge it in a few years.
All I’m saying is they’re further away than I personally thought – I thought they pretty much had half a dozen guaranteed 4+ WAR players in about 2 years, now I’m not so sure.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Colby's arbitration
Will most likely be similar to Adam Jones. Jones is a Super Two this year also
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Adam Jones is not a super-2...
according to what I read at mlb.com. And Rasmus won’t be a super two either – he made the opening day roster.
MB for LF in 2010!
You can't be a super two unless part of your service is a fraction of a year.
Colby’s service time is exactly one year since he was on the opening day roster, so no fractions.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Linkage?
Why in the world would the Rays not call up Longoria or the Brewers Braun then to begin the year.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yeah, I am missing something too I think
Otherwise Wieters would have been on the opening day roster
Free Milton
To take advantage of the rules.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
What rules?
They didn’t buy an extra FA year by waiting anyway and if they didn’t avoid Super Two then what was the point?
Not afraid to nitpick
I can only search so quickly.
Please stop repeating the question while I am sourcing.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Then don't post half responses without the answer to the question
I find nothing about whole year stuff. He won’t be a Super Two but it won’t be because of fractional years or not. He’ll have 3.000 years of service time after 2011 so he’ll automatically be eligible for arby. The cutoff is ~2 years 130 days, so we would have had to hold him down for however long to make his service time less than that after 2011. What we did do is screw ourselves on free agency as he’ll have 6.000 years of service time instead of keeping him down for 3 weeks or whatever and having it be 5.9 or something.
Not afraid to nitpick
What's your point?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
but
if he were super two, he would enter arb in his third year and have arbe for the next four. it’s not like if we wait a month before calling him up we get another year of team control
if i understand your point correctly
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
actually, yes, it's exactly that
we’d have had team control for 7 years instead of 6 if we had waited a month or so to bring him up.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
They sent him down after ST...
in 2008 hoping to avoid super-two, but then Aybar went down and they needed a third baseman. Since they were in the hunt for a pennant that year, it would’ve been really bad for their playoff chances to not call him up, plus it would’ve been obvious that they were trying to avoid super-two.
Sometimes it’s ok to bring a star rookie out of ST… what I don’t understand is cutting it really close like with Adam Jones.
MB for LF in 2010!
longoria agreed to that contract
before they brought him up
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Wasn't it kind of Blackmail?
Sign this or sit in the minors?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
they made him an offer
he couldn’t refuse
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yes, that's exactly what they did.
and there was nothing wrong with doing it- the players agreed to the terms of those rules.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
From the MLBPA.
A player with three or more years of service, but less than six years, may file for salary arbitration. In addition, a player can be classified as a “Super Two” and be eligible for arbitration with less than three years of service. A player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season and he ranks in the top 17 percent in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.
The point of leaving a player in the minors to start the year (ala Braun, Longoria, Wieters, Gallardo etc.) is to extend the period of team control.
This is a good explanation of service time manipulation.
when a team signs an amateur player, that team has exclusive rights to a player’s services for six to seven full seasons — in the majors. Once a player is added to the 40-man roster, his service time clock is running for every day he spends on the big-league club (or on the Disabled List). At the end of the season, if he’s amassed at least six full years of service time, he’s a free agent. If he hasn’t, he’s not. It’s that simple.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I have a feeling
that this may be adjusted in the next CBA agreement. It was a debated topic last time as well.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
It also seems needlessly complicated to me...
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Free Allen Craig = Imprison David Freese?
Straussie writes a piece today where he channels Scott Boras’ talking points (when doesn’t Straussie do this/0 and basically speculates (when doesn’t Straussie do this?) on what the Cardinals will do this offseason. A day after he tweets that the Cards have a single Gold Glover (they had two winners), Straussie tells us that the Cards are one of the teams that has expressed interest in Chone Figgins and that Mark DeRosa might be more likely as the 2010 left fielder than third baseman, depending on the Hollituation. This tidbit is also interesting:
The Cardinals remain intrigued by outfield prospect Allen Craig, their recently named minor league player of the year, but concede any arrangement employing Freese as the regular third baseman argues against another rookie receiving heavy exposure in the outfield.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you don't know what you have
until they’re playing and you can see the real numbers out there, so I don’t see what the big deal is you have to take chances once in awhile
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Well TLR probably has it in his contract
that he only has to break in one rookie a year as a position player.
/wishes he were joking
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I think LaRussa likes Freese now
Ever since he threw on that backup catcher gear. Rasmus is a hard player to hate. The kid keeps his mouth shut. Ryan on the other hand was a handful.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
ItellyawhatBoogit'saheckuvalotbettertokeepyourmouthshutthangoaroundupsettingdangolecoachTony.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
thisherereplydeservarecfershureman
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
mark down the day
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you're a star now cgirly
from now on, your life will never be the same
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Okay, I present the official SBN MVP vote WTF awards.
Yadi? Weird.
Sky Kalkman voted for Cliff Lee? Hm.
Chase Utley still underrated as hell. Ryan Howard still the opposite. Some people know who Jayson Werth is.
Juan Pierre/Todd Helton/Adam Dunn wtf.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Jayson who?
maybe Chase Utley should change his name.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Chase Ochocinco?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Chase Underrated.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Chase Subestimado has a nice ring to it.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Chase Fucking Utley
would be awesome, too.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
fuck no
he doesn’t deserve a ‘fuck’ until he successfully luggages Victorino.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
If (GOB FORBID),I ever have a kid
his middle name will be Fucking
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
That will be convenient when the kid is in trouble.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I think there's a difference between
“chase fucking utley”
or
“fucking chase utley”
(no not like that).
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
trouble
another good middle name
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc8Cl3oyyFo
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
haha holy shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af-KO1VcyT4
country music
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Fuck yeah.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i call Seven
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 12, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Ted Williams already had that one.
I suppose motherfucking is available, but it’s unofficially owned by Carp.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Juan Pierre must've been a joke.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have preferred Jeter as the joke vote.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
am I missing something on the Jeter Hating trend this year?
He was the 2nd most valuable AL player this year….
The only “joke” is Mauer shouldn’t win it hands down, which he should. But “jeter” being mentioned is no more a joke than Eva Longoria or some fashionable “under rated” player being mentioned.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Yo Captain Fantastic
I’m really happy for you, and I’mma let you finish, but Joe Mauer had one of the greatest WAR seasons by a catcher of all time. OF ALL TIME! 
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
speaking of things I hate.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ATTENTION ALL VEB
It has been decreed that there will be NO FUN ANYMORE. I repeat, NO FUN IS TO BE HAD. Please restrict all your off-topic conversations to the minimum, refrain from any and all in-jokes or memes, and remember that irreverence is NOT TO BE TOLERATED.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
The new is overrated.
Just ask TLR.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
One can only hope that at some point in the future
I will somehow absorb some semblance of cool from JD.
I’m not holding my breath.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Just don't ever let them tell you dogs with wigs aren't funny
Because that shit will never get old
Free Milton
I want to make sweet sweet love
to this thread.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
when i read the subject line
i was worried the body would be to dogs with wigs
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hugh Grant in the house?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 12, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh burn
that comment needs more love.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
don't judge me, monkey.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I wouldn't either
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
The memes are dead long live the memes.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I will not stop this.
It will forever be awesome. I plan on doing this to my children.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
can i rec this post?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
if you are asking for my permission
you have it
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Well,
he got a lot of Gold Glove votes. And he didn’t deserve that. I just get sick and tired of Jeter being praised like he is God and Mary’s son or something. Joe Mauer is the MVP. Jeter should get votes, lots and lots of second-place votes. (I think Jeter should have won in ’06, too.) If Eva Longoria gets a vote, now that would be a joke.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Agreed.
It’s hard not to hate him when he gets so much praise for things like, say, being a Yankee, having less hits than that whats-his-name DH, or being the subject of every cliche sportswriters can invent to describe intangibles; The hate has become reflexive, although I think most of us can admit that he had a really good season this year.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
"The hate has become reflexive"
I like that – and it describes the situation very appropriately IMO.
The same thing is true with the SABR backlash against certain over-rated players; just because, say, Carlos Lee can’t field and is signed to a stupid contract, we forget that he’s actually a pretty good player. Last year people were falling over themselves to declare that Jon Garland would be crazy over-paid and that his peripherals were falling off a cliff, when in fact they really weren’t, and he’s just kinda average. Not appalling, not great, just sorta meh.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
people think
jeter is his own dad? crazy
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
and yes
i think it would be ridiculous for attractive actresses to get votes for mlb mvp
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 12, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Juan Pierre is seriously WTF
I didn’t notice that at first
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Y'know Flim,
it really is.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Joe Sheehan tells Bernie Chone Figgins is a better fit than Holliday…
And I, like Bernie, agree.
Would a 4 year 45 million contract be too much for him?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
3/6 for Matt Murton > both of those
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
last i checked murton wont be bringing excellent 3b defense and OBP to 3B either
especially as signing figgins give us room to make several upgrades including the pitching staff
Signing Murton to a 3/6 deal gives us room to make upgrades at 3B and pitching staff
Signing Figgins to 4/45 would probably only let us upgrade one or the other. We need to get a LF, and probably not one from within the organization. Despite being a ginger, Murton has had some pretty solid numbers and IMO would be a great, cheap option.
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
pass
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
wait
murton, not mora, lol
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Who the F is Matt Mora?
Melvin Mora?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'm good with 1/10
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
maybe 1/10 plus a 1/9 option that vests on PAs or something
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Tut tut young man...
he’s an aging speedster with no power who just had a career year right before he hit the market.
No thanks. I bet the difference in the two contracts is closer than $90 million too.
MB for LF in 2010!
Yeah but he's still like a 3.5 Win player going forward
Even if he’s like 3.5 3 2.5 2, 11M AAV would be worth it.
Not afraid to nitpick
The aging speedster cliche can't just be applied and accepted.
Kenny Lofton was good (and fast) until the day he retired. Old player skills age just as badly as young player skills.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
and then there's Soriano...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Soriano also has no plate discipline and has been a terrible defender for years.
Richie Sexson also fell off a cliff despite not being fast- the older a player is the more likely he is to decline and get injured, period. As I said, old player skills age just as badly as young player skills.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
right
I just love that Soriano really only got that money b/c he was a “40/40” guy, when it was pretty obvious that the second part of that 40 wasn’t going to continue to happen going forward. Of course, Carlos Lee got similar cash and he’s a fucking offensive lineman, so what the hell ever.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Lack of skills in general also tends to send a player on a particularly steep decline.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
But he jumps when he catches the ball
that’s amazing defense… I couldn’t do that.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I, for one, will find it hilarious if...
Lou decides to platoon Soriano with Bobby Scales next year, which one is the better fielder? I don’t think theres a right answer there.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 12, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
The answer is...
Milton Bradley.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
He's productive on the bases even still
BPro has had him +5 runs yearly for awhile now.
Not afraid to nitpick
As a contract?
Maybe.
As a player?
No, it’s not close.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
too long
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
4/45 would probably be fine for Figgy
but I think the Angels will give him more and, realistically, if it’s a choice between staying on the West Coast and making a good contract on a contending team where you’re a popular player, or moving to Missourri to start again for a new team where you’re an unknown for the same amount of money, which would you choose? I think we’ll have to blow the Halos out of the water to compete on Figgins, and personally I don’t want to be doing that.
Also – Figgins violates the one most important tenet of GMing; DON’T pay for a player following a career year.
Beltre’s a better option – probably less years and less $ for a similarly good player.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
I really, really wish the Post Dispatch would run stories
like this in their paper rather than non-sensical rants from Burwell and just fucking wrong info from Strauss.
Goold is the Ben Zobrist of baseball writers.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
he does have a Boog bias
I bet right after he sent this, they set a date for their next card swap.
trade you one Carlos Gomez foil-stamp for a slightly dog-eared J.J. Hardy All-Star card
is clearly a message to California.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Don't insult Burwell's sophisticated understanding of market forces.
He just doesn’t understand that the definition of the market isn’t “Things Bryan Burwell calls the market”, and who can fault him for that?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
if goold = ben zobrist, bryan burwell = francoeur?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
If the definition of market price isn't "Scott Boras's asking price",
then why don’t they have some sort of book of words paired with their definitions that I could look at?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Strauss = Nick Stavinoha
As VEP would say…a chair could do just as good a job as him
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Strauss = Chick Gandil
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Actually
The line was that Stavinoha’s production is closer to that of a chair, than it is to that of a league average player.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 12, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I wish we could compare their salaries to get real baseball comps.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Did you know that
Bryan Burwell used to be the CEO of Bear Stearns
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Auto Refesh Comment Jumping problem
So I have been in contact with the SBNation Dev team about the problem. They just sent me this. What do you guys think?
Hi Patrick,
So this is a hard problem to solve, since the box is jumping because new content is entering the page and physically pushing the posting form down.
So here’s a question – how would you feel if all auto updating was temporarily halted whenever your cursor is detected (that is, you’re presumably typing into) either the comment or the reply form?
Then once you hit post or cancel, updates would resume.
Thanks for your help,
Ryan Gantz
Does that mean that anything new posted while typing
isn’t marked until I manually refresh? Or would I just get a flood of new comments once I click post?
Free Milton
i think as soon as you are done typing it would refresh
But what if I am typing and I just take a break. How would it know?
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
that could be a problem
What if you had your cursor in the bottom box and don’t notice it. You have to make it idiot proof
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
if it was only that easy
i am not worried about myself in this issue.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
But when you make a new comment that's not a reply
The cursor sits in the subject line…they may have to do away with that “feature”
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, try it out (like Flim did)
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
After you post a comment,
the cursor defaults to the comment box. IE. I have to click outside the box to hit z, or z goes into the subject line.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
Only on a new comment though,
not a reply to a comment.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
/nexdef'd
for not reading all of the posts before adding my $.02
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
it just might work...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Pujols walkoff homeruns will blow my laptop to smithereens
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
for a good cause!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
That would be great
Do that, like, now.
Why would anyone have a problem with that?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
that would be cool
but the problem with me isn’t that it moves simply because more info is entering the page. right now, your post is “highlighted” for lack of a better term as i’m z-ing through the new posts. if i decide to start scrolling instead of z-ing, when it autorefreshes, it will go back to your posts. mainly just a pain in the ass during game threads since they move so fast, but the above improvements would be nice as well
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Why couldn't you just keep on z-ing during a game thread
i don’t think i understand
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
because if you multitask different threads, you don't want the highlighting to go away
like, say, someone is doing a TWSS at the end of the thread, but the middle of the same thread is doing a graph.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i usually try not to z
because of that problem. i just hit shift+a every so often to deselect all because i want to keep reading the tread as it flows, not keep jumping back to some pregrame tangent about the mars volta
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Update
Hi Patrick,
Right, so I think the idea would be that any new comments would pop in in the next 20 second interval after you finish posting. So maybe you’d get a bunch at once. We could probably make this user configurable, so
you could choose between two evils – a jumping comment box or a post-posting deluge of comments. And sure, maybe the effect wears off if you don’t type anything for, say, 120 seconds. How would that be?
I can’t promise that this would be a high-priority fix (or that it’s entirely possible – I’m more designer than developer) but as solutions that just popped into my head go, I’m rather fired up about it.
Thanks,
Ryan
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
This guy sounds PUMPED.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Rather pumped
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Have you never hit "z" to remove a comment from the "new" log but had a "z" pop up in the subject box?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
yes
I hate that — but I find if I just remember to click on the left or right margin after typing a comment I don’t have this problem.
Now, if I could stop getting them to put stupid ads in the margin………
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Adblocker.
They have to pay for this site somehow. And I don’t remember to click outside.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
But that's not the issue
What we’re talking about here is when you have the cursor in the box and unwittingly leave it there, and don’t know that a bunch of comments are waiting for you to remove the cursor before they show up.
Honestly, does anyone on this blog post fast enough to need the feature of having the cursor default to the subject line after every post? I certainly don’t, and even if I did I don’t think it would be a big deal to just have to click or tab to it.
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I do
but I don’t need it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Overheard Bernie on ESPN radio today
Talking about Dunn, and how McGwire would be a great coach because he could teach him PLATE DISCIPLINE and to NOT GIVE HIS AT-BATS AWAY. He did at least say that he didn’t care about the strikeouts, but AAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGH >:( No mention of defense too. So yeah, that Dunn would be a great fit if only he had some plate discipline.
He could probably teach that Adam Dunn guy a thing or two about hitting for power!
And also being tall! And having large muscles!
and hating america!
(someone had to do it)
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
say what you will, it's not like no ballplayers got prosecuted out of the steroid investigation.
pleading the fifth has its place, and arguably that was it.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
legally speaking
he probably was smart. Perjury is serious
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 12, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
he's about the only one that didn't lie.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I love how we get all angry at Mac for using his 5th amendment rights
but if wanted to use any of the other ones we’d be okay with that… Although Manny has dibs on using the 19th amendment rights…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 12, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+6
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
And the fact that it's over something as stupid
as sticking needles in your ass or not… Am I the only person who doesn’t care what people do to themselves as long as it doesn’t affect anyone else? Nor do I really care about “the sanctity of the game of baseball”® No one can convince me if Ty Cobb and those guys had this stuff they wouldn’t have been using it every bit as hard as they were used during the “epidemic” of PEDs.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 12, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not mad at Big Mac, i'm mad at the media for making him look bad
and look like a bad guy. if he did use, it was because almost everyone was doing it & MLB turned a blind eye to it. the players aren’t the bad guys, MLB is. but the media spins it the other way & we have this mess to deal with.
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by gdm426 on Nov 12, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't have said it better...
Praising gdm… feels weird
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 12, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't think anyone would blame you if you went & took a shower
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Remember when the media were hailing McGwire and Sosa as the saviors of baseball?
As if they had no idea any of the players in 1998 were using steriods. Then the shit hits the fan and all of the sudden McGwire is the bad guy.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 12, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
i don't care what people put in their bodies
but i don’t think it should be legal within baseball. it shouldn’t be encouraged. do i think less of mac as a person, though? absolutely not
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Dunn with MORE plate discipline...
interesting…
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
.230/.550/.560
I think I like this idea….225 walks….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
still a loafer, though.
clogging the damn base paths, coddling terrorists.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
and still hating pie
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
if he has a .550 OBP, he has to hit in front of APu, right?
none of this “protection” bullshit by hitting him behind APu
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
he has to
hit in front of apu either way
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Also, anybody hear about an impending McGwire PED speech?
Last nite I heard on ESPN radio that the Cardinal FO plans to have him address the press, and hopes to do it before the end of the year so that they can get everything behind him and move on with the year.
they're probably just waiting for some larger news event to drop in December or January,
have him give it in the middle of the media scrum so nobody pays any attention, then when people ask him questions about it in spring training (when the public might pay attention) he can say “that’s old news, i’ve said what i have to say, etc., etc.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
They're waiting until someone bombs a World Cup qualifier
and then they’ll have a press conference when nobody is paying attention.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I hate baseball awards. Really I just can't get myself to care about them, and I know many of you feel the same
but I still can’t help wonder how many cy young votes K-Mac/LaRussa lost for Wainwright his final start of the year
f’in “wins”
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
live by the win, die by the win.
since adam’s league leading win total was his best calling card, he can’t turn around and complain that the win total is an arbitrary device. without the win total, he just has what? the fourth lowest ERA of qualified pitchers? the eighth lowest FIP? [can’t remember his actual placing]
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
apparently the best fielding pitcher in the league, too
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
a charming smile
and yet he’s still not blindingly handsome with light shimmering across his hair as though attended by his own flight of fireflies setting off the depths of his burnt amber eyes.
So clearly he’s not winning it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
HFS
I had to ask a friend to come up with that. I want to spork my own eyes out now.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i believe you.
really, i do.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I'll leave that to the professionals, next time.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Sporks!
The implement of choice for the conscientious eye-gouger in the 21st Century!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
But he strands runners and eats innings!
I’m totally with you though.
They Cy Young award is like some perverse game where the more antiquated you are the more points you get.
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 12, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I can't tell if this is sarcasm
since he went from 12M guaranteed to 28M guaranteed but at a lower AAV.
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I think he could have gotten significantly more than 9M a year
Hell he could have negotiated a 2 year 16M extension with the option as leverage to begin with to get a higher NPV.
Not afraid to nitpick
He's in it for the children!
Think of the children!
The $28M is just paper to him!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
thats an attractive rotation for ATL
Javier Vazquez, Jair Jurrjens, Tommy Hanson, Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami.
one of those guys - vasquez, lowe, or kawakami - will get dealt to make room for hudson.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I guessing they will try to deal Lowe
and that they’ll end up dealing Vazquez.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I'm guessing they actually move Kawakami to the pen
but yeah, I thought the Hudson deal was so wierd. Especially when you consider the forgotten man – Kris Medlen.
He threw more than 10 K/9 in AAA with a 1.66 FIP in his 6 games, and put up a solid 3.35 FIP in his 4 major league starts. 72 Ks in 67 innings, too! Also, he had a 2.87 FIP in AA in 2008 in 17 starts. He’s experienced nothing but success in his pro career so far, mixed in with a couple of injuries that he now seems to be over.
This guy is a serious pitcher, and, if not for Hanson, would be a lot higher on a lot of people’s radars. I believe he’s better than any pitching prospect we’ve had, for instance, since Ankiel.
I think he’s going to be, at the very least, a solid #3. If there’s any chance he’s dealt, I’d love to make them an offer. He might be a good guy to use up the Ludwick (plus a couple of prospects) bullet on, for instance.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
best comment of the day?
I don’t care about "mid-market" and the stats that define it. The stats I’m interested in are batting average, fielding percentage, era and wins vs. losses. Anything else is just off-season jibberish.
— jfmoyn
3:07 pm November 12th, 2009
i love the pd commenters.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 12, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
dear god that is beautiful.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
That has to be a VEB member on a recon mission
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
How did he not follow up with:
Sorry, nerdbra, the only statistic I care about is how many brewskis I’ve had and how much piss I’ve pissed
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 12, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
why isn't that green?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Because you touch yourself at night
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
no, no. no
You have it all wrong. I wasn’t asking why my thing was green.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
don't lie to the peeps like that matty
that’s not why the Dr told you it’s green
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holy sh*t
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 12, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
blew my cover...
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
i still never got how that related to whatever we were talking about
but whatever…
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
You said "always follow precedent."
I found that odd for someone who I presumed liked sabermetrics, since it busts all sorts of precedents. Make sense?
But you’re not the biggest SABR fan*. Though you’re not exactly SoonerFan^, either.
*breaks precedents
^follows precedents
Now with extra feisty!
got it
sorry, i’ve been sick. either way, the precedent thing was a joke towards law. i’m in a business law class right now learning all about precedents and shit like that. it’s more fun that you could ever imagine…
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
i do actually enjoy it
the tests just suck. and the ten page paper.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
and i enjoy SABR stuff
i’m just too lazy to learn what it’s about.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't get it.
I have found that players I think are good are usually considered good by sabermetrics as well and the same for bad players.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i could definitely get it
it’s right up my alley of things i enjoy, i just don’t have the motivation at this point in my life.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the black and white measurement of players.
It’s figuring out the real value of those players.
Now with extra feisty!
I get that.
And I can basically understand what it’s saying but I don’t really understand all the intricacies about it and that’s after trying really hard to get it. But what I found that I usually don’t overvalue players. Not their baseball playing ability anyway. Emotional attachment is another story. Basically my logic tells me the same stuff sabr stats do, in my experience.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
so is a-rod a good player?
according to your logic?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really watch him enough to know.
This only works if I watch them enough to make an informed decision. And if every time I so see them I’m not blinded by anger and annoyance.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
damn
/just wanted to see if you’d say a yankee was a good player
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
btw you fail at going to bed at 8:30
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I had to wait for my family to finish eating dinner.
And then I talked to my mom for like an hour. And now I have to get out of my bed to put my pajamas on and that just seems like a lot of work.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
what? you're home?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
No.
I talk to my mother on the phone. Like many college students who don’t live at home.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
it sounded like something else
i was going to be jealous. i can’t wait for break.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
What part?
If it’s the anger and annoyance part then no it isn’t but anger tends to distract me from logic more than liking someone for superficial reasons.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
And if I'm being honest I would say A-Rod is a great player.
I just don’t like saying it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
WIN
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
All of it.
You can look at A-Rod’s slash lines or B-Ref page and know he’s amazing. You don’t need to see him.
Now with extra feisty!
why were you on VEB during 30 Rock?
Are you trying to join The Solvers Problem?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
you can actually watch 30 Rock live?
dvrs were made with 30 Rock in mind
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
oh heavens yes
but it’s best in five episodes in a row, two hour dvd form.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I like Community
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Love that show
the first 4 episodes or so were rough but it’s great now. The Halloween episode was hilarious.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
i thought the pilot was nails
but the next 4 weren’t great, but still good. last nights was very good, a lot of subtle stuff was in there & later i’m going to go back & re-watch it to get them all.
it’s only getting better, which is a very good thing.
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I'm having problems focusing, so I'll definitely be watching it on Hulu tomorrow.
Now with extra feisty!
I stuck around that show for a whole episode
and now I’m hooked. I have to go back and pick up the last 3 years now. . .
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I just keep waiting for a
Brian Fellow routine.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
Wow
That response got a tear out of Joe Morgan
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by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
where is soonerfan anyhow?
I quite enjoy having a contrary voice around sometimes.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
i don't see how you read pd comments
the comments on articles are generally just ignorant sheeple, but the forums, my god, i just can’t handle them. too much concentrated stupidity
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 13, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
sometimes I read them just to feel better about myself
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
So would anyone be comfortable with the 6/96 offer "suppossedly" offered a few days ago?
How high would you go in terms of dollars and years?
I’d be fine with 6/110 maybe even 115, but thats max in years and money
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 12, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions
i pray for 5/100
but the GOB’s are bastards.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
anything more than 15/year or 5 years i'm not cool with
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
haha 5/60 is what that would be
guess i don’t want them resigning him…
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
so math isn't your strong suit
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I didn't want to sadden him
thanks matt
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 12, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
It's certainly not mine.
So I really couldn’t blame him.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
teach me SABR sometime?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
that's it? i think it got it!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I forgot about the Thurston equilibria
For one Thurston you must have at least 24 good players.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
[weeps]
where’s the bear
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
oh okay
so the cardinals got away with thurston this year because they had 24 other good players?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well, at the very least, like 5 decent players, 18 good players and one RIDICULOUS player
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
five decent players?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
K-Mac, Hawk, Motte, Reyes, LaRue.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ohhhhhhhhhh
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Really, that was just a ballpark (no pun intended) estimate…I couldn’t consciously say that everybody other than Thurston (sucky) and Albert (ridiculous) were “good”
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 13, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
-1 good player +1 sucky player
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Nov 13, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
so first, you get your gear, including a suit and a mask that fit.
Next you need a sword that fits your hand. Leftie or rightie?
Then, assume your position, knees bent, weight over the balls of your feet. Raise your arm, sword in hand.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
FAILLLLLLLLL
5 * 12 = 60
5 * 15 = 75
i need a drink….
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
It may
Maybe he was too uptight to get it right. “Oh God, what if I get this wrong? VEB will hate me! I’m pretty sure it’s 75, but if that’s wrong I’ll never forgive myself!”
/types 60
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
i like this logic.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
iit may I went to a calc final a little buzzed and somehow passed
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Nov 13, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
i've seen everything from those numbers to
5/$75Mill, to 6/$108Mil to 3/$40Mill
out of everything i like the 3 year deals numbers the best. i don’t want to be paying a LF in his mid 30’s double digit millions upon millions of dollars
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I'd like to think something less than 4 years could come out of the negotiations
But I’d also like to think that when I see Jessica Biel on TV I can just call her to tell her how hot she looked and how I can’t wait to see her later too, then I wake up
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 12, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be fine with overpaying for less years, like 3/66 style deal.
shorter is better. As I like to tell myself.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it's not the size that matters, why don't they make 4 inch dildos?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
dicktowel.com
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'm hesitant...
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
VEB needed more it's always sunny references.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You're really going to make me google that?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 12, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, yes I am
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good Lord you guys crack me up.
If I am having a bad day I just come on here and laugh my ass off. I come here alot.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
you really think boras is going to settle for three years?
really?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
yep
3/100M should get it done
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
ha! barf.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
HFS
®
no, i don’t think boris wants that, but listening to his teammates talk since the season end i’ll think he’ll have to listen to matt & unless he’s a big fat liar to his teammates matt wants to come back, but he doesn’t want to cripple the Cards ability to compete, so a shorter deal might be better
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Man I'm glad I trademarked that.
I’m fucking internet rich!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
you could fucking afford to internet sign Matt Holliday
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 12, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
missing a very important comma
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
HFS HFS HFS HFS HFS HFS HFS HFS HFS
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I know own the charred remnants of Too Talls.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
noooooooooooooooo
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
boras is a competitor
holliday is a competitor
he chose boras, not someone else because he likes his representation
winning the salary competition is clearly important to him
i have no idea why mo doesn’t make an offer and be done with it. if he is first, then clearly he has to make his best low-ball offer, like 4/78. boras can then go peddle his wares and mo can either get back in or not later. in the meantime, sign figgins, smoltz, and wagner, and wait the rest out
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Mo making the first offer would be silly.
The bigger market teams are going to set the market. Mo will respond to it. Mo would obviously offer far less than the Yankees or Red Sox.
Now with extra feisty!
Bay will sign with the sawx first
at least that’s what everyone is waiting on anyway. his deal will set the market way more than Tex’s deal from last year.
and i agree, MO shouldn’t be the first one to blink & i don’t think he will. i hope he won’t.
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disagree
mo should offer before the exclusive period expires to make sure holliday knows he is not delusional and you find out if its a boras game or a holliday game (if they are different). if they don’t negotiate in good faith, you can bet we will lose in the end and need to get on with getting the best 2010 ensemble he can.
i admit, however, that i did not think we needed both the holliday and derosa deals to win the division. if we still had one of those packages, we’d be in much better shape today.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
What changes if Mo holds out?
Jason Bay and Xavier Nady sign elsewhere? Good. Bay will be overpaid and Nady is nada, tee hee.
Besides, Mo knows what he’s doing. I don’t want him to be intimidated by Boras.
Now with extra feisty!
i want nothing to do with either Bay or Nady
i really thing the Cards should just offer both DeRo & Lego curly fries & i think they should both accept it & let’s give this one more full season try. then next winter they can talk about multi year deals
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+1
maybe bay, but so unlikely to escape boston
cameron will be interesting, but good chance he’ll take damon’s spot in ny
nady doesn’t really make us better
better for this caliber player to see who is non-tendered or someone gets the fire-sale bug
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
MLBN is saying 3/30 for the ghost ofChristy Matthewson
Yea or nay?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
nay.
that ghost abandoned him lickity split.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I wonder if they're
using the Lohse contract as comparison?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
let the mets or brew crew pay that
i wouldn’t give him the same deal he got from the Cards two years ago
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I would
he was almost worth that then!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
any no trade clauses?
I’d sign that ghost for what we signed the last one at: 2yr-13 mil
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
nexdef'd yet? Albert wins Silver Slugger
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Saw that at the top of the page
I don’t think it’s been mentioned yet though.A given wasn’t it?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
any excuse to pop open some alcohol
ought to celebrate the mang while he walks among us
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
i could really use a drink right now
but the only thing in the house is a 18yr old bottle of scotch i got my bro for his bday last month.
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you live with your brother?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
two brothers living together in ohio?
sounds amazing!
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
they should film us
we’d blow every other reality show out of the water
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I'm going to Ohio tomorrow.
I’m hoping for a lifetime ban from travel there by Sunday morning.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I-70?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Random interstates?
I see your I-70 and raise you I-95.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i was wondering if you were going via I-70
duh.
but if we’re playing that game, i raise you an I-10.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Going to the Natti
for a wedding. I-64, homie.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
lucky
64 is a much better drive than 70.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
But I'll miss
Jesus Effingham Cross.
(I-70 is one of my favorite drives, but that’s because 9/10 times I do it I’m hightailing it to our cabin in Indiana.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i hate effingham
and I-70. most boring drives ever. i’ve seen every part of 70 from DC all the way to denver.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
You obviously have never travelled I-72
makes you want to go all Brad Thompson RIP
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
couldn't even tell you where that was
my favorite drive is 64 by far. i’ve taken that from stl all the way to virginia beach and there’s nothing better.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
lol it's in hannibal/illinois
/fail
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can think of a lot better things.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
me too
but drive wise, that’s the best i’ve ever done.
i’m also 19.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
In America
64 to 77 through WV is my favorite, so long as I don’t need to stop.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Driving in mountains is a pain...
granted I’m an Illinois flat lander so my opinion is based on driving like a maniac on nice flat roads… Or at least driving like a maniac at roughly 80 on Chicago highways when at all possible.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I was petrified the first time I did it moving to NC
after a few years and a dozen or so trips I loved it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Too many places for cops to hide...
I enjoy my farmland driving in Illinois
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I love mountains.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 13, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Actually that would be 57 F to Champaign
74 to Bloomington, 39 to Rockford. That is almost as bad as I-55 to Memphis.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
If you want a cure for insomnia
Drive I-55 from Sikeston to West Memphis and then I-40 to Little Rock. It doens’t begin to get interesting until just over halfway to Little Rock. I usually try to drive it at nite, cuz I’m not missing anything.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 13, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I-10 through Louisiana SUCKS
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 13, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
the natti is more kentucky than ohio imo
it’s a lot different down there than up here
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soo...normal?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 12, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
still far, far from it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Do I post the secession video again???
That opened a bit of a shit storm yesterday
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
But now it's actually appropriate...
damn me and my itchy trigger finger.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
It's all Ohio to me.
That’s all I need to know.
(I actually really like Oxford.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Will Yadi ever have more SBs than HRs in a season again?
I still can’t believe he stole nine bases.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
it could've been 10
wasn’t there an error in there? it wasn’t scored an SB?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
well if his MO is preying on the stupidity of others
that should count.
down with defensive indifference…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
ohh
I can hardly tell with some of the bad camera work, sometimes. Or maybe just my bad tracking.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Awwwww mannnng
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 12, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
loving that photo
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 13, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
sad = boner?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 16, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
On Sammy Sosa's Strangely Lightening Skin:
“Suddenly I remember him being much grittier and hard-working than I did before.”
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
a scout woke up in the night after those pictures leaked
and, without knowing why, added “slidin’” sammy sosa to his list of joe mather comps.
Boston is suddenly intrigued.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
so, in trying to defend boog as a better ss than yuni escobar,
i happened across this video
wow
a few more for you viewing pleasure
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6625463
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6242477
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6206575
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6005541
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5648369
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5495269
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6932729
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 13, 2009 12:52 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
miller
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
oh
on this radiohead message board.
he conceded by the way when i pointed of the 14 run difference in their career uzr/150s at ss
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I have a Braves fan friend who LOATHES Yunel Escobar
I said “we’ll trade you Rick Ankiel for Escobar” and he would have done it
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 13, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
brendan ryan is one badass mf
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
one badass MIF, too
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 13, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha! lol
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG
wtf you people are off your game!!!
more boog here: http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/8/11/985123/boog-the-mix-tape
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I would rec that 10 times if I could
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 13, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hey I saw the first one LIVE
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Nov 13, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
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