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Whitey Herzog will be on the ballot for the Hall of Fame this winter. I ignored this bit of news in favour of complete rambling nonsense.

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Whitey Herzog will be on the ballot for the Hall of Fame this winter. I ignored this bit of news in favour of complete rambling nonsense.

So just say for a second you were the General Manager of a major league baseball team, and you've got a rather substantial amount of money to spend. Say also, while we're hypotheticizing here, that you are facing a truly awful free agent class. Okay. Got it? Now, say your name is, um, Ron Fobaylock. So here you are, Mr. Fobaylock, with more money to spend than you've ever had up to this point in your tenure as a GM, and just look at the detritus you have to choose from! So, what would you do?

Such is the conundrum faced by Johnny Mo this offseason. Sure, he's got the money, but what's he going to spend it on? We've all seen the lists of free agents by now, and let's face it: what the Cardinals need, there just ain't a whole lot of out there. The Cards need a left fielder, and there are three really attractive options: Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, and Mike Cameron. Unfortunately, all three have issues. It's looking less and less likely Holliday has any interest in playing for anything less than a stupid contract. Bay will almost assuredly sign before Holliday, as Scott Boras will want Bay to help set a market for his client. Cameron would seem to be a great fit, but it's also possible he may prefer to go somewhere as a full-time center fielder. It certainly isn't a stretch to believe the Cards might come away without any of the three. And then what? Sorry, but Xavier Nady and his bionic elbow doesn't interest me, and Johnny Damon just isn't worth the draft pick.

The story is much the same at third base, the other main position of need for El Birdos. Mark DeRosa is a known quantity, but on the other hand, Mark DeRosa is a known quantity. Adrian Beltre has a nice glove, but his bat is questionable and his price tag much the same. Troy Glaus brings power and should come cheap, but with a body composed mostly of old newspapers and sadness it's tough to say how durable he'll be.

So what's a GM, whether hypothetical or real, to do? How does one improve a team when the options seem so very limited? Well, one looks elsewhere, of course. And when one looks elsewhere to improve the 2010 Cardinals over the 2009 version, another area of concern begins to whisper its weakness. I speak, of course, of the bullpen.

Star-divide

Unlike the other areas of need the Cardinals have, there are plenty of options to improve the relief corps. Look at the list of available free agent relievers, and you have to be impressed with the firepower. Guys like Billy Wagner and Octavio Dotel and Mike Gonzalez could all potentially make a big impact on a bullpen. So let's take a look at the most attractive options, shall we? I know we all love Ryan Franklin and believe he'll come back in 2010 snorting fire and striking hitters out left and right, but let's just say, for fun, he doesn't. Perhaps a closer might help.

The Type A's 

Billy Wagner, LHP - Sure, he's old. And sure, he's had surgery in the recent past. You know what? I don't care. Billy Wagner is still a bad, bad man, even after Tommy John. In limited action following his return from TJ in 2009, Wagner did exactly what he always does: he dominated. He threw 15.2 innings between the Metropolitans and the Red Sox, and posted a 2.33 FIP. He strikeout rate was 14.94 per 9 innings. His control wasn't quite as sharp as usual, but that's certainly to be expected on the comeback trail from elbow surgery. The bottom line is Billy Wagner still kicks ass approaching 40 and with a surgically repaired arm.

The problem with signing relievers, of course, is the wildly inconsistent nature of their performance from year to year. This year's Brad Lidge can quickly become next year's Brad Lidge, and with little or no warning. Not Billy Wagner, though. Wagner has posted an ERA above 3.00 exactly once in his big league career, in 2000. His next highest ERA is 2.85. What I'm trying to say is this: if you're looking for a sure thing to improve your bullpen, Billy Wagner is probably it.

So what's the catch? Well, the catch is Wagner falls into that dastardly trap known as Type A. Yes, that's right. If the Boston Red Sox offer Wagner arbitration (and they would be fools not to), he would cost the Cardinals their first-round pick in 2010. Of course, if the Cards were to pick up some other team's first rounder, say, in return for a certain left fielder who shall remain nameless, it would certainly help take some of the sting out.

Mike Gonzalez, LHP - The upside of Gonzalez is this: he's the second-best left-handed reliever on the market, right behind the aforementioned Billy Wagner. He consistently strikes out better than a batter an inning, and has posted an ERA above 4.00 only twice in his career. The downside? He walks too many batters, though he has improved his control since his early days in Pittsburgh, he blew seven saves in only seventeen opportunities last year, he'll cost you a draft pick, and that Rain Man impression he does on the mound is wicked annoying.

Here's my thought on signing Gonzalez: he's a very good pitcher, capable of shutting the door on an opponent at the end of the game. At the same time, though, he isn't as good as Wagner, would likely demand a longer contract, and  will still cost you the same in draft pick compensation. For the money and the lost pick, I would take Wagner in a heartbeat over Gonzalez.

Rafael Soriano, RHP - So you want a guy just like the first two pitchers on this list, but you're afraid of lefties, you say? Well, look no further than Rafael Soriano. He's got the same electric stuff as Mike Gonzalez, but lacking the sinister overtones. Soriano struck out better than 12/9 IP in 2009, while keeping his walk rate down at a very manageable 3.21. He throws hard, has an outstanding breaking ball, and generally does a fine job of keeping the ball in the park. What more could you ask for?

Well, one could ask for a better track record of health, I suppose. Soriano has a history of arm troubles, though they're usually more of the nagging variety than the cutting variety. What is really interesting about Soriano and Gonzalez is that both play for the Braves. Now, while that may not seem all that interesting at first blush, there is the possibility Atlanta may not be willing to offer arbitration to both players. One would have to assume they will offer arb. to one or the other, but if they are at all concerned the market this winter could be as slow as last offseason, they may hesitate to possibly put themselves on the hook for two short relievers due for large pay increases. If Atlanta fails to offer either Soriano or Gonzalez arbitration, that player immediately gets a big, big bump in value. Definitely a situation worth watching.

Octavio Dotel, RHP - After a couple years of wandering in the wilderness, Dotel has resurrected his career the past two seasons with the Chicago White Sox. He's been healthy, throwing 134 total innings, and has shown flashes of the same brilliance he displayed early in his career with the Houston Astros. (And by the way, look at some of the numbers Dotel put up in Houston. It's easy to forget just how good he was for about three years, and just how hard he was ridden.) The old fire may not quite be there, as he no longer gooses his fastball up to 97 or 98, but the slider is still good and the K numbers show it. On the other hand, betting on Dotel at this point is a definite risk, as his injury history is long and detailed. Just looking at the jump his walk rate took from 2008 to 2009 is enough to give me pause.

Jose Valverde, RHP - I'll be honest with you: I can't stand Jose Valverde. I hate his delivery, I hate the little dance he does, I hate his half-assed perm, and I hate, well, pretty much everything else about the dude. He just bugs me, you know? However, personal feelings aside, Valverde is still a pretty fine pitcher. He strikes out better than a batter an inning, his walk rate is just fine, and he's only given up more than a hit per inning once in his career. (He gave up 50 hits in 49.1 innings in 2006.)

On the other hand, Valverde also happens to have name recognition that a couple of the other guys on this list don't have. He's certainly better known than either of the Atlanta pitchers, and is consistently seen on SportsCenter pumping his fist and just being all Proven Closer. Thus, his price tag will likely exceed those of the other guys listed here, I would think.

There are a couple other Type A relievers, but I don't see any of them as real options. Kevin Gregg is a Type A, but I have to think the Cards saw enough of him in a Cubs' uni to stay away. John Grabow is good, but more of a specialist type, and LaTroy Hawkins, well, um, I'm not really sure how to finish that sentence.

The Type B's

Kiko Calero, RHP - Okay, I'm going to level with you: Calero is probably the only Type B I'm really that interested in. Well, maybe not the only one, but he's certainly at the top of the list. Hell, if nothing else, signing Calero would allow us all the look at the Cardinal roster and forget, if only for a second, that the Mark Mulder deal ever happened.

The problem with Calero is that his numbers look, well, they look like a reliever's. Whereas the guys up in the A bracket have established a track record of fairly consistent performance year after year, Calero's numbers look more like a tech stock's six-month record. He was excellent for the Cards in 2003 and '04, then went to Oakland along with Daric Barton and no one else, and had two very nice seasons for them. Then came 2007, and Kiko just self-destructed. His walk rate exploded, his strike outs plummeted, and his home run rate stayed low largely because of Oakland's cavernous home stadium. 2008 brought more frustration, and Kiko landed in Florida for the 2009 season. He proceeded to put up brilliant numbers once again, with an ERA under 2.00. So which Kiko would you be buying for 2010? Therein lies the conundrum of trying to sign relievers to improve your bullpen.

The best thing Kiko Calero has going for him is the fact he won't cost you a draft pick. He won't give you the same kind of performance the guys on the A list probably would, but he also won't screw you in June when you don't have a pick until #97 overall. Calero keeps the ball on the ground and in the park, so he would certainly fit in with the rest of the staff, but his ERA is almost certain to rise in 2010 nonetheless. He stranded better than 82% of baserunners in '09, a number that likely isn't sustainable.

Brandon Lyon, RHP - Okay, take a look at Lyon's numbers. Now, do you see why the Cardinals should stay well clear of this guy? If not, don't feel bad. There's going to be at least one General Manager this winter who doesn't see it either, and he's probably going to hand Brandon Lyon a 2.86 ERA contract.

The problem, of course, is Brandon Lyon isn't a 2.86 ERA pitcher. He did, however, look like one in 2009. Unfortunately, that doesn't cover the fact it was pretty much all smoke, all mirrors, all the time. His K/BB rate was well under two. He stranded over 80% of baserunners. His BABIP was an unsustainably low .229. In short, Brandon Lyon in 2009 is the guy the concept of regression to the mean was invented for.

Now, that's not to say Brandon Lyon is a bad pitcher, per se, but only to show what kind of an investment the Cardinals should probably avoid making. Sure, a guy like Lyon isn't going to cripple you by himself, but as Cardinal fans, we've seen all too well how a bunch of small, sorta bad contracts can turn into a big, really bad contract when you take them all together. No, for what he'll cost, Brandon Lyon is just the sort of pitcher who isn't worth it.

Rich Harden, RHP - And now we come to one of my favourite hypotheticals. There's going to be plenty of discussion this offseason about Rich Harden maybe being the sort of guy you might want to offer an incentive-heavy contract to for one year just to see. Sure, he's never ever ever, ever ever, ever ever been healthy for an extended period of time, but sweet Jesus, look at what he can do when he does get on the field.

You won't find a pitcher more talented, or an arm more intriguing, than Mr. Harden. Unfortunately, we all know the other side of the story: Harden has made 30 starts exactly once in his career, in 2005. When he's healthy, he's a joy to watch. But most of the time, you're just going to be frustrated by the pitcher who isn't there.

Whether or not Harden would be worth offering a one-year deal to as a starter, though, isn't really what I'm concerned with at the moment. What I want to know is if he could possibly be enticed into trying his hand at a relief role. Maybe he just isn't built to handle the rigors of 200 innings a season. Maybe he could come in and air it out for ten or twelve pitches at a time and keep himself on the field.

Something interesting about Harden is this: he's actually been fairly healthy the last two years. In 2008 and '09, he made 25 and 26 starts, respectively. Not quite a full healthy season, but close. What's even move interesting is for the first time in his career, Harden failed to really have much success in 2009. That coincided with his complete abandonment of both his slider and split-finger pitches, both of which had been huge weapons for him in the past. Harden essentially became a strict two-pitch pitcher in 2009, yet was still able to have a reasonable level of success over better than 140 innings.

So what we have here is a pitcher who has been relatively healthy two years running, but still seems unable to stay off the training table for a full season's worth of innings. He now throws basically just two pitches, still has the velocity on his fastball, and can still strike hitters out like nobody's business. The real Achilles' Heel for Harden in '09 was his home run rate, which was close to twice his career mark. Some of that was undoubtedly due to pitching in Wrigley Field for a full season, but I think a lot of it was the fact he simply refused to go to a third pitch to keep hitters off balance.

I have no idea if Harden would be amenable to the idea of pitching in relief or not. But I look at his numbers, and I look at his track record, and it cries out to me there's a dominant reliever just waiting to be born. So what if he can't throw 180 innings? Give me 60 or 70 innings of vintage Rich Harden, and I'll show you a winner.

In the end, I think the Cardinals could probably do pretty well for themselves if they chose to invest a bit of coin in the bullpen this offseason. Ordinarily, I'm not at all of the mind that throwing money at relievers is a good way to improve your team, but this year might just be the exception. I think the Cards will miss out on both of the top left fielders, Holliday due to the enormous salary he'll get and Bay due to timing, and I honestly don't see a third baseman on the market I think would be worth the money for the improvement over David Freese. Maybe Chone Figgins, but I get the feeling the Angels are going to resign him. I could be wrong, of course.

So maybe in order to improve the team, Johnny Mo and Co. improve a semi-sore spot instead of the glaring holes. Maybe they take all that money they were going to hand to Holliday and they go give some of it to Billy Wagner. Maybe then they call up Rich Harden and say, "Hey, Rich. We couldn't help but notice you're awesome and all, but you sure do seem to get hurt a lot. Our manager and pitching coach built a pretty sizable portion of their legacy on turning a starter into a reliever about twenty years ago; how would you like to be the next Eckersley?"

There are, of course, others who might be interesting, guys who don't show up on the arbitration lists, but few of them warrant a whole lot of consideration over what the Cards already have, in my ever so humble opinion. Guillermo Mota is out there, and might be okay, but he's also getting up in years and I don't really like him. Duaner Sanchez might be worth a spring training invite to see if he looks healthy or not. Justin Speier, subject of a fair amount of speculation here back about mid-season, is capable of getting right-handed hitters out quite effectively. Fernando Rodney would certainly be worth kicking the tires on if the Tigers don't bring him back. There will be plenty of non-tenders as well, possibly a record amount, and a large percentage of those players will likely be relievers. Still, lest this become even more unwieldy than it already is, I'm not going to speculate further on who might be cut loose. For now, these are the guys I think bear watching.

Now, what would you do with guys like Kyle McClellan, you ask? Well, to be honest, I don't really have an answer, because I don't care. I want a bullpen that can overwhelm the other team, and K-Mac, despite his awesome nickname, just isn't terrifying anyone with his 1.50 K/BB ratio in 2009. Give me Motte and give me Boggs, maybe make a spot for Eddie Sanchez midseason. But don't give me Brad Thompson and McClellan and the like.

Of course, the question must be asked: is someone like Billy Wagner and what he would bring to the team worth giving up a first-round draft pick for? And the answer is an unequivocal maybe. See, ordinarily, I'm of the mind you don't give up those draft picks for pretty much anything. Period. But the fact is, I think the Cardinals are going to have a pretty fair haul of extra picks early in the draft this year, and that changes the equation a bit. If Holliday and DeRosa both leave, the Cards have two extra supplemental picks and a possible first-rounder coming. (It could also be a second rounder, which is just fucking idiotic. The draft compensation rules have got to be fixed in the next CBA. It's just ridiculous the way this whole thing works.)  Jo-El is on his way out as well, I'm sure, so that's a third supplemental pick. I sort of doubt the Cards offer Troy Glaus arbitration, but if they do and he leaves, that's four. Most likely, the Cardinals will have three supplemental picks, all in the 30-50 range, and an extra second-round pick. (I think Holliday ends up with the Mets. It would be nice if the Giants or Angels signed him, though.)

With so many extra picks in the first two rounds, I honestly would be okay with the Cards forfeiting their first-round choice to sign a Billy Wagner. I can't imagine he would want more than about a one- or two-year deal at his age, so you aren't locking yourself into anything that could cripple you long-term. You give up your first rounder, yes, but you still have something like five picks in the first 80 or so. I can live with that.

So what do you guys think? I say when (okay, if), Holliday walks, and Bay has already re-upped with Boston, and Cameron signs with Kansas City because they'll let him be the center fielder, we focus on the 'pen. Give me Wagner to destroy all in his path, Harden as a grand experiment, and keep the rest of the powder dry.

Maybe we lose 90 games 2-1. Or maybe not. Hey, it's November. What else have we got to talk about?

The Baron's Playlist for the 11th of November, 2009

"Oviedo" - Blind Pilot

"Gotta Get Up" - Harry Nilsson

"The Old Revolution" - Leonard Cohen

"The Handshake" - MGMT

"Let's Build a Fire" - +/-

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The yankees may well not offer Damon arbitration, if they don’t want him back. So he MIGHT not cost a pick. If he does, then yeah, he isn’t worth it.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't you mean...

The FISTER this meme dies…..?

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kudos, JD

You beat me…
to the punch.

YEEEAAAHHHH

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   5 recs

The fists are just getting creepier and creepier.

I know, I know. Go ahead… say it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No!

No one say it!

Now you have to live with being the only one who thought it. Ha ha!

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Nov 11, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like your new avatar.
I said it.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know,

I’m not sure if I do or not either. I like the picture, but I don’t know if it really works or not. Hmph. I may have to go back to the previous one. Not sure yet.

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep it

This blog needs more Radiohead references, even if it’s in avatar form.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still like the smoking kid

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mom?

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 11, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not your mommy sonny

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I liked that too

it had a kinda grimy film-noire-esque pathos that appeals to me.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 5:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Long live the 'Head!!!

I love it RB.

(Insert Your Own Joke)

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No I don't.

You clearly thought it too. And so did everyone else who read it. And really is it that bad a thing to be the only one who thought that. I think not.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the new avatar.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the fist was to be replaced by this

I would like to thank SI for capturing the image of Ozzie entering Bush Stadium for the ’85 World Series by jumping out of the Goodyear Blimp.

"There are three things the average man thinks he can do better than anybody else: build a fire, run a hotel and manage a baseball team."- Rocky Bridges

by That's a Winner on Nov 11, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Do you know how to order pictures from SI.com?

I was thinking of doing so for Christmas for some folks, but it doesn’t seem to be geared toward everyday folks.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so amazing

I’m not sure i could get my feet as high as his head if I tried to flip, even way back when i was of flipping age. Just amazing.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind robotic fist so much actually

This is one of my favorites.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Word

Really good points in here, although I’m not sure why Harden would want to be a reliever. Maybe he’d get more years, but someone’s going to pay him a ton of money to be a starter for one or two years, after which he gets to be a free agent again and hear people get excited about how good he COULD be as a starter.

But overall, I agree—past Holliday (and a reasonable Adrian Beltre deal), there’s nothing I want to spend money on this offseason, so why not toss it to the bullpen? There’d conceivably still be money left to look at someone for a year at third (just throwing names out, but Pedro Feliz is recently unemployed). Then, how about buying low on Matt Murton, who is still 5th on a really deep depth chart, and signing Austin Kearns to very little money to platoon in left? Its worth a shot, and its better than giving all our money this offseason to Jermaine Dye and Jo-El.

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Nov 11, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Murton and Kearns?

Why would you platoon two right handed hitters with each other? The disregards the entire point of platooning in the first place.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not that dramatic

 but in the last 3 years, Kearns has hit righties better than Murton has (.705 OPS, .371 SLG vs. .681 .363), and Murton has hit lefties better (.759, .434 vs. .703, .315). Again, not that its particularly dramatic, but at the least I certainly think it indicates that it’d be better to have them both on board instead just one.

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Then,

just sign Murton. Kearns’ sun seems to have set.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the difference in PA's?

To get a significant number of PA’s for Murton, you’d have to use numbers from AAA, which means you’d need to use the MLE’s for those numbers.

Considering how much better Kearns is defensively, I think he would more than make up for that slight difference against righties.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

That didn’t occur to me.

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don't oink the hustle

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 11, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Give both a ST invitation, maybe?

And let them compete?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WORD.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about

Chan Ho Park – 2.10 FIP but driven by 0 HR/9
Rafael Soriano – 2.54 FIP, I don’t think he will be offered arbitration.
Kiko – 2.56 FIP but high BB/9 of 4.50

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kiko is a must IMO

probably only be $2m or so and he’s better than the likes of Brandon Lyons, Dotel and LaTroy Hawkins.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plus we could pretend to forget that we ever made that trade

of him and Barton for Mulder

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 11, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just one of his many advantages!

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 5:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SIGN RICH HARDEN

…AND ABOUT FOUR OTHER GUYS TO TAKE OVER WHEN RICH HARDEN GETS HURT!

by mojowo11 on Nov 11, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just sign Harden and Smoltz and

call Jaime Garcia up when one or the other gets hurt, or, just to limit Harden’s innings. It serves to help buffer both Garcia and Harden from injury by limiting both of their innings. If we can get Smoltz on a one-year deal and Harden on a three-or-less-year deal, then I’m all for it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harden limits his own innings pretty well

He’s really good, but he’s probably only good for 5-6 innings at a time. Not an efficient ground-ball-inducing type.

by mojowo11 on Nov 11, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another reason he might succeed under duncan.

Even pitchers with established batted ball profiles can change- Smoltz’s pitch location was drastically different under DD/Yadi/Carp from his pitching earlier in 2009.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine those three holding down rotations spots 3 & 4,

with 450 innings of #3 starter numbers.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be awesome,

and I hope Mo makes it happen. I also anticipate Lohse having a better year, even if it isn’t a 2008 type of year.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Carp was fixing some of Boggs pitch-tipping.

Now if only he could be denied a WBC spot.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trades

I think LF will come down to a trade. They’ll either get an actual LF or 2B and move Skip out there. I think MO has his mind made up at 3B with Freese unless something falls in his lap. Unless you want someone like Tejada at 3B. If you wanted a 2B you could roll the dice on Polanco. Tatis might be a good utility type of guy. As far as relievers….I’d buy into throwing some money that way. Maybe Duncan could turn a guy like Jorge Julio around. He holds hitters to a low average.

by TNCardsFan on Nov 11, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just threw up in my mouth a little...

"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle

by TurdFerguson on Nov 11, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I don't like

about signing someone like wagner is that, at his age, what if he retires after next season. You then gave up a first round draft pick for a “one year rental”. I’m all for giving up a first rounder to sign some Type A for a couple years…like signing Holliday would be for some other team. But it just seems like a waste when talking about signing a Type A for only a season or two.

by Cardsray on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What about trading a first-rounder (the actual player, not the pick) and two other prospects for a 3.5-month rental?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Same thing

I was going to mention that but I thought it was sort of implied in my logic. Plus, what we did that was specifically for a playoff push.

by Cardsray on Nov 11, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And,

we could get a first-round draft pick as compensation for Holliday going elsewhere for a Sorianoian contract.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Wagner is offered arby

he more or less HAS to take it. No-one is even likely to want to give up a SECOND round pick for a guy who may or not be able to pitch this year.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That appears to be his thinking,

according to MLB.com, channeling The Boston Herald:

After a change of heart, Billy Wagner would indeed be open to an arbitration offer in order to return to the Red Sox next season, his agent told The Boston Herald on Tuesday.

It’s pretty much all Bean Stringfellow quotes.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I was a Type A reliever

I would be absolutely be saying I would accept arbitration if offered. You will get more in arbitration on a one year deal than you would on the free market.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By saying this,

he might get the Sawx to not offer arbitration.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not one to bitch about salary caps and whatnot

But if the Red Sox are able to risk eating 8+M on like a 7th inning reliever for them, something is wrong.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pardon?

Why would he not be able to pitch this season? Is there some sort of new injury I am unaware of?

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nah, I'm exaggemerating

But he’s definitely a pretty major injury risk, given his recent history and age, and will probably demand (on the open market) the sort of money that won’t be a massive bargain unless he’s 100% healthy all year (my guess – 1yr, $5m, something like that). Whether he gets that or not will depend on the arby, I guess.

If they don’t offer him arbitration, I actually WOULD like to be interested, but I would probably prefer to offer something in the 3m or maybe 4m region with a few incentives based on appearances. I think he’s definitely the best reliever in the market that might be affordable to us.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 5:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Wagner's agent negotiate with the Red Sox to guarantee they would not offer arbitration?

If I recall, that’s the reason he un-vetoed the trade to Boston.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Option

Part of the agreement was that they wouldn’t pick up his option for 2010, so he could be a FA and close for someone.

It would be funny if he accepts arbitration and gets $8m that way. Well, maybe only I would find it funny.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/mets-red-sox-complete-billy-wagner-trade.html

by djsmokyc on Nov 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea...

of putting the extra $ into the bullpen. While the Dodgers didn’t win the WS, we Cardinal fans saw just how devastating a great bullpen can be from innings 7-9. If rotation spots 4-5 go to random veteran (Smoltz) and random rookie (Garcia), I don’t have a ton of faith in either of those guys pitching too late into games.

If Cameron refuses to play LF, I’d like to see the Cards look at the trade market for a possible solution (David DeJesus? Connor Jackson?). Not too much left in the cupboard for a trade, though…

And if you insist on an injury-prone starter to the pen, I submit Justin Duchscherer for your consideration.

by IA Card on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

RB commented on this after the dust settled, during the season,

that we had traded nearly all of our power righty relievers, and that is not good because those types of relievers help shorten the game, so to speak. And that is exactly what the Dodgers did to us, and what the Yankees did during the late 1990s.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Cameron refuses to play LF....

you tell Colby Rasmus to take his sophmore-ass out to LF and start shagging balls.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 11, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Exactly

I just don’t see the problem with this at all. He played LF so Rick f’ing Ankiel could ply his dodgy routes there for a couple of months this year, I don’t see why he can’t do it for an actual very good CF.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

it’s not like corky would say anything

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well he would but only me and Boog would understand.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

umdonwanseehowcomebigolefield

Canhavafellaovahereandanuthafellathereandisbigenuffertwosoahfiggercanmakemenonevamind.

/boomhauer

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

whoever predicted that Colby would eventually be called Boromir Velazquez

is totally right.

Because we’re going to start calling him Boomhauer, and soon enough the meme will mutate into Boromir.

Now we just have to figure out where the Velazquez part comes in. Thanks, time travelers.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So just read a wikipedia thing on Boomhauer

because I had absolutely no idea what y’all were talking about and I discovered that he apparently sings clearly in one episode. I have no decided to believe that Colby can sing and he is therefore even more awesome and beautiful.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

6-tool player sings like an angel

Onion

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 12, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and then there's Carlos Lee

http://themainblog.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/carlos-lee-sings/

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 12, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am the bridge to Velazquez

give me credit

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 12, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no thanks

colby was valuable because he was such a stellar cfer last season. cameron derives most of his value from being a great cfer. don’t see the point in signing cameron and putting either in left. sign a left fielder and put him in left

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 11, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe it's the Nutshot Effect

but i’m not opposed to a great defender in LF, especially with the scarcity of good options.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carl Crawford is a great CF who plays in left.

Ichiro is a great CF who plays in right.

I don’t see the problem with having a great defence. Both Colby (hopefully, if he comes on a bit this year) and Cameron have bats that would play in a corner outfield spot. I don’t see why we can’t have both bats in the team and an absolutely awesome OF. Clobster, Cameron, Ludwick in the OF, then Freese/Glaus, Boog, Skip, Pujols and Yadi on the infield – seriously, we’re the best defensive team in baseball.

None of the non-Holliday LF options are better hitters than Cameron, and they’ll all cost similar dough. Bay is a slightly better hitter but an absolute disaster in the field and will be MUCH more expensive. It’s not like there’s a glut of cheap LFers on the open market who are better hitters than Mike Cameron. Why not just sign the best available hitter,ESPECIALLY when his defense is so good?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still trying to figure out if he'll pitch a fit, go past untucking and rip his shirt off

over not playing centerfield. That rather affects my opinion of the whole thing… I mean, I’m sure Colby will nod and mumble a lot and play LF, but it’ll be cold comfort when he runs into the Hall of Fame wall as I’ve yet to see him correctly play a carom where the wall’s straight.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Cody Ross

It is no secret that the Marlins look to jettison any arb-eligible player. Why not try and make a deal for Ross/Uggla (with Uggla to play 3rd). Marlins usually have no problem accepting players that are 2-3yrs away.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Nov 11, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it'll cost too much

more or less wipe out all our remaining depth. I really feel we have to rebuild our minor league system for a year at least, and we can get comparable players by ponying up money (which we have) instead of prospects (which we don’t have many of).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't much care for Uggla,

but I’d love to get Ross. Would a Cody Ross trade really destroy our remaining farm? I could see them taking a pair of AA arms like they took for Hermida.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what've we got that they might want?

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bah, sbn'ed

I like Ross too, I think he’s a full-time option for LF. I’d rather just spend 10m on Cameron but Ross is definitely an option, and trading for him would leave us cash to spend on a 2-year Harden deal, which I’d like (but can’t see getting done if we spend any coin on LF).

We’re a bit short on high upside arms. I’d think Sanchez (ugh) would have to be in the deal, maybe Lynn too? I think that’s a big price to pay for someone who may not (in the end) be a big improvement on Craig, long-term, but maybe for this year it’s worth it. I think Lynn is going to be pretty replaceable, tbh, and I guess Sanchez could always be a 6-month wonder (even if he isn’t, relievers aren’t exactly difficult to replace, especially when you have a whole bunch of high draft picks).

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're pegging the marlins asking price a bit high.

I was imagining something more like Ottavino plus someone none of us would recognize.

Also, scratch Ross. The marlin who’s due an arbitration raise that I want most is Ricky Nolasco.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually would rather keep Ottavino than Lynn

I think Lynn has more chance of making it to the show but he’ll probably never even be average at MLB level. I think Ottavino might just be a late developer, showed encouraging signs last year and still has that “first rounder” cache. Also, I think if he struggles again this year, he still has a future in the bullpen. I like Lynn but I think he’s replaceable.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i am higher on Lynn

After Garcia he seems like the best guy that has a chance to perform in the show

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still on the Walters bandwagon

He seems to me like he’s going to put together a Paul Byrd career of mediocrity.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

possibly

after another year or so I’m all for moving the guys who have one or two plus pitches but no apparent role on the big-league club into the bullpen. I’ve thought for quite some time that Walters (one good out pitch, fastball that’s probably not quite up to major league standard) could move into the bullpen, add a couple of ticks to the FB and be a proper prospect again.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Marlins might take

Scott Gorgen and Jon Jay for Ross. They would get an immediate cheap replacement for Ross in Jay and would get a pitcher with high k/9 totals that the Marlins stockpile. You might substitute Blake King or Gary Daley for Gorgen and Henley or Chambers for Jay.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i like henley's chances

for STL much more than jay’s

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

back off my tyler henley

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Nov 11, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Henley

for me, is a better prospect than Sanchez and possibly better than Lynn too.

Also, I know the Marlins love to trim payroll, but come on. Scott Gorgen, Blake King and Gary Daley are never going to pitch in the major leagues (or, if they do, it’ll be as replacement-level guys). I could see Daley being out of baseball in 12 months. Adron Chambers is a few tools attached to non-baseball player. John Jay’s ceiling is a backup OF/defensive replacement. None of these guys are any sort of legitimate prospect.

I just don’t see major league teams (even sellers like the Marlins) giving us good major league players for our garbage. Otherwise, why isn’t every other team in the league clamouring to give up their AAAA guys, stalled prospects and scrap iron for above-average, reasonably cheap, major league regulars?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Otherwise, why isn’t every other team in the league clamouring to give up their AAAA guys, stalled prospects and scrap iron for above-average, reasonably cheap, major league regulars?

The teams aren’t, but their bolgger-fans are convinced it can happen!

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 12, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Would like Conor Jackson quite a bit

Diamonbacks were talking about not even tendering him a contract if he did poorly in Winter Leagues. He has some upside to him.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson...

doesn’t seem to be a fit in AZ, considering they already have Parra, Young, and Upton.

Even though I suggested him, I don’t know if he’d be a great fit for the Cards. I always thought he was a good comparable for Craig (who is not arb-eligible). Before his sickness last year he was considered a good defensive LF, though.

by IA Card on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is a good hitter

06: .809 OPS
07: .836 OPS
08: .823 OPS

His OPS tanked in 09 due to his Valley Fever. He is a converted 1B to LFer. 08 was his first time playing significant time in the OF. His numbers look pretty solid but small sample size.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be very, very pleased if we wrangled ourselves Connor Jackson.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what the DBacks would want.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good question.

Probably more than we have, given the mid-season trades.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The most logical option from their perspective would be Skip

But that would defeat the purpose.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Parra can't hit lefties

And he’s a 1B too where I think they plan on having the LH Brandon Allen. At the very least he’s an awesome platoon guy for them.

I was thinking about what it would take to trade with them, and it occurred to me that the D-Backs really seem like a potential big bounce back team. If Young returns from worthlessness (.263 .351 .508 after getting called back up from AAA) it’s like they don’t really have any true holes outside of 2B and if Webb is healthy, that’s a dominant 1-2 with Haren.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can the DBacks...

really afford to spend 2 or 3 mill on a platoon guy, though? Especially a platoon guy who is coming off a brutal season? Maybe they can but I’m sure they are exploring options.

And Parra has issues w/ lefties, but he’s almost a year younger than Colby Rasmus. Seems a little early to call him a platoon guy – I assume they’ll let him try to figure it out. Same can be said for the 23 year old Allen (who is a monster).

by IA Card on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah they can

The “brutal season” was because he was sick, not quite like performance tanking. There’s no way they non-tender him after he’s shown he can hit and feels fine in winter league. The mere fact that most here want to trade for him should make that much obvious.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right. I can't imagine...

him being non-tendered. What I can see is the DBacks evaluating where they have weaknesses and addressing them by trading off an area that could be considered a surplus – such as a a LF/1B. The DBacks don’t seem to have much hitting in the minors. Maybe Tyler Greene + Steven Hill gets it done. Maybe Dan Descalso or Tyler Henley is enough. I don’t think it’s an option that should be dismissed so flippantly.

by IA Card on Nov 11, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can dismiss it pretty easily

Jackson is better than Parra. Jackson is better than Allen. Aside from those two being lefties and platoon openings, if they want to contend Jackson is the better option at two positions stand alone and then offers positional flexibility.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Check out the projections...

for Jackson vs Parra and Allen. They don’t support your claim that this is so one-sided in Jackson’s favor. Plus, the other two are making the minimum compared to Jackson, who will get $3 mill, maybe?

by IA Card on Nov 11, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tyler Greene plus Steven Hill is a million miles from Descalso or Henley

Greene and Hill are non-prospects. Descalso and Henley are. I’m not sure I’d want to give up DD for Jackson. Henley I could probably stomach.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson might be non-tendered

Although he is a good hitter, the Valley Fever that he has is an ongoing concern. There is a decent chance that he never fully recovers from it. I don’t think the D’Backs will take the chance that continues to feel the effects of the illness.

 

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's hitting .390 .543 .576 in Winter Ball

It’s winter ball so those are only meaningful in a “he can still put the bat on the ball” way, but there’s no way he’s getting non-tendered after showing he’s healthy enough to put the bat on the ball.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If they understand Valley Fever, they probably will tender him.

The likelihood that it persists beyond a year is extremely slim.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's a great user picture.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dude!

Harden for closer!

great post. I think we should definitely sign one or more of these guys for the bullpen.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 11, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

NL GOLD GLOVES AWARDED TO GENERALLY DESERVING PLAYER SHOCK

Extra! Extra! Read all about it!

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No link?

Some newsy you are.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Wainwright and Yadi won

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's referring to the story on mlb.com

that basically says the players who won before will probably win again.

Link

It really is a stupid story.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, Waino over Pinero?

Surprising if true. Also, Joe Strauss was wrong again.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AWESOME IF TRUE, TOO

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry for yelling.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that one is silly, at best.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly what I thought when I hear Matt Kemp won

Thanks, VEB

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 12, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

**jeez**. "heard"

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Nov 12, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really?

i’m not even gonna bother reading that

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harden's Agent

MLBTR links to a story about Harden’s agent discussing Harden’s situation. Aside from the statement that there are no health issues with Harden, we get this tidbit from the MLBTR summary:

Tellem says Harden “very much likes Chicago,” and expects he’ll “continue to talk” to the Cubs about a possible return. Most writers expect the Cubs to move on, though. Harden is a Type B free agent; an arbitration offer seems unlikely.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Harden

is one of the best talents in a pretty thin group of FA pitchers. I fully expect him to get at least 2/20m somewhere, if not more like 3/30. And he fully deserves it. I see no way whatsoever he ends up in the bullpen, I don’t think that would be a worthwhile use of him (given his likely price) and I don’t see any evidence he has any interest in doing that.

So, no, I’m not too keen, unless we miss out on ALL the good OF candidates, in which case I’d be interested in a 2/20 sorta deal and pick up some scrap to piece together an offence (Glaus, maybe Branyan etc).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm down with that

like I said – if we can’t get any of the LF possibilities, and Beltre wants more than (say) 2/20 or something, I’m happy to give that sort of money to Harden and maybe tack on some incentives. Smoltz is (hopefully) a given, and we let Garcia and Boggs make the starts that those two are likely to miss. I’d spend a little bit on the pen (maybe Calero and Pena), and then get some cheap options who can hit a little (Glaus, Branyan, Murton, folks like that) to fill in the spaces.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What a load of crap...

Victorino, Kemp, and Bourn?

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

none of them are that bad

there are better guys, sure, but I don’t think any of the choices are outright awful. That’s really all you can hope for.

UZR really liked Bourn this year (+9), Kemp’s slightly above average (OK, so that’s not a great choice), and Victorino IS an elite fielder, even if his UZR was -ve this year. At least there’s no Ryan Braun or pre-2009 Derek Jeter or something stupid.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Victorino has the speed/arm/grit troika...

that gets it done come voting time… Still, he always seemed gimpy everyntime I caught a Phillies game. Bourn and Kemp are OK… But no Cameron, Werth, Rasmus, Upton? Upton is amazing.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Should a corner OFer ever win?

I don’t think so. Yesterday, I believe, we talked about how much better CFers are when they play a corner OF position than the career corner OFers. Because of the silly lack of awarding a Gold Glove for left, right, and center fields respectively, shouldn’t three CFers win the Gold Glove every single year?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Except

when Abreu inexplicably won the award a few years back.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ichiro has deserved every GG he's ever won

and all but one have come as a RF.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford is another corner OF who's just awesome at D and could play center over the starter in most cities.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Victorino isn't white so he can't really have Grit

I think he can be a Gamer® though still.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RACIST

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you ever notice how white baseball players

dial the phone like “BEEP BEEP BEEP” and black baseball players dial the phone like “BOOP BOOP BOOP”?

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's true!

We’re so lame!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one of my favorite 30 rock moments

Dr. Spaceman is the greatest. “No, Tracy, our third president.”

by DanUpBaby on Nov 11, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that was a Simpsons reference...

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, I thought we were talking about the Simpsons?

“White guys drive a car like this… nee nee nee neee.. but black guys drive a car like like this… doooo dooo doo dooo”

“He’s right, we’re so lame!”

/paraphrasing from memory ten years ago

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

YES

I swear, half of my brain is devoted to The Simpsons.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LH bat?

Looking at our lineup next year, it strikes me we might actually need another lefty, somewhere. Looks like it’ll be Schu at 2B and Colby in CF, but we don’t have ANY LHB off the bench that I can think of.

Thoughts?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I want some switch hitters.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so you like guys who can go both ways eh?

not that there is anything wrong w/ that…

by FunkeeC on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say guys...

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That is one big reason I want Figgins. While I don’t necessarily reject the idea of damage in the 2-hole, I love the idea of having a speedy, high-OBP guy in front of Pujols. Figgins would be great in the 2-hole. I just don’t think B Ryan or Rasmus belong there.

by Fred Head on Nov 11, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade for Berkman.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Berkman in LF!

I approve.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's actually a decent corner OFer, a great switch hitter, and is totally fatletic.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And the astros really SHOULD be sellers at this point

but I’m guessing they’re just going to stand pat and meakly slide into 5 years of mediocrity instead. Way to go Wade.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad I'm not the only person who has thought about how awesome this would be.

How old is Fat Elvis now, though?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

74

or 33

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 11, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Midwest Peanut Butter 'N Nana Sandwiches, Engage!

"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols

"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This free agent class really is pretty damn bad...

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lincecum by a mile...

as it should be

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's going to win it...

wainwright’s and carp’s votes are going to effectively cancel each other out. it’s what my brain has been telling me all season, though my heart tried to dictate otherwise. he won’t run away with it like in the sb vote, but he is going to win it.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Splitting the vote

This isn’t like an election, though, where there is only one vote to cast, thus allowing two candidates to split a part of the electorate and allow a third candidate to leverage his (in this case) constituency into victory. The voters vote for first, second, third, etc., right? So, theoretically, if Carp and Wainwright get a lot of first- and second-place votes, one of them could beat out Lincecum.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true, but

but i think their first place votes (which are worth the most points, obviously), will cancel each other out. the voters who don’t vote for linceum #1 are likely to vote for either carp or wainwright, but there’s no obvious winner between those two. so a voter’s card is likely to go one of three ways:

1. lincecum
2. carp/wainwright
3. carp/wainwright

1. wainwright
2. lincecum
3. carpenter

1. carpenter
2. lincecum
3. wainwright

any way you look at it, linceum still gets the highest point total in any of those scenarios, and that’s why i think he wins.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is there a reason voters aren't likely

To have voted:

Carp
Waino
Linececum

Or

Waino
Carp
Linececum?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

lincecum must split the carp/waino vote?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but looking at those results

raz doesn’t even make the top 10 for nl rookie of the year? that’s a JOKE

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we should discuss this!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm befuddled by this comment

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was discussed yesterday. Or the day before.

I’ve been sick, so I’m not the best judge of time.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, well that's my fail

i’ve been in bed sick the past three days…

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow big time fail

there was a front page post about it. i must be blind…

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF is up with everyone being sick?

6ly this blows

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

blows chucks, yes

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TMI

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

should we be talking about chuck....?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly my point

it’s fang’s doing

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

that’s a me typing fail.

maybe i’m still sick…

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

f'in fang

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't work

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it always works

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Says you

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

says your mom

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, i'm not

i was just making an obvious joke.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It really is Dan

Going by WAR Rasmus has higher one than anyone on that list. The guy with the highest WAR doesn’t even place top 10. I thought bloggers were smarter than that.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

in fairness to said idiot bloggers, I believe they just chose the top three.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BULLPEN HELP

other cheap options who may help:

Russ Springer – unlucky last year despite good peripherals. Righty-killer. Will probably want back here for family reasons; I bet we could get him for ~$1m.

Joaquin Benoit – two years since he was a useful assett, thanks to injury issues, but from 05-07 he was a good set-up guy. I guess he’ll sign for the league minimum (maybe even a minor league deal) and he’s definitely got a live arm. Maybe worth a try-out.

Chad Bradford – wierd submariner-ing, GBer extraordinaire. Diminishing K rate is a problem, but even in recent years he’s not walking anyone and generates a ridiculous 65% GB rate. He’s basically a better version (peripherally) of Franklin. Considering retirement, but I can’t see that a 1 year deal at the league minimum would hurt us.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bradford is a ROOGY

he’s really susceptible to lefties, as are most submariner’s that I can think of. He’s also lost around 2-3 MPH of his fastball since 2007 which is not a good sign.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, because he's struggled with a lot of injuries

but then he’ll probably sign (if he doesn’t retire) for the minimum.

I’m dumpster diving here. And springer (and Speir), other decent options, are more or less ROOGYs too – I don’t think that’s a bad thing when we’ve two good lefties. I’m basically trying to build a bullpen on the cheap, which I think is the best way to do it (esp. when you’ve got a manager who likes to tinker with matchups).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I fully realize that

I just don’t think that Bradford is a good risk even on a dumpster dive.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe you're right

I imagine Spier and Springer won’t cost much (if anything) more and are probably better (Springer esp. I would like to see – him + Calero for a total of $3-4m would give us a decent pen next year if one of Motte or Boggs can develop into something).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

I’d like to see someone like Calero on a 2Y deal. I don’t think Boggs is going to out pitch Garcia in ST and I’m intrigued by turning him into Joe Nathan. He looked really, really good in the pen at the end of the season and he just seems more comfortable there. If Ottovino can make the leap, and I think he can, I feel like Boggs/Motte/Franklin/McClellan/Calero/Hawksworth would be plenty from the right side of the bullpen.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you want 13 pitchers again?

Garcia will be our 5th starter. Dave Duncan will fall in love with him. A groundball dominant lefty.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

but Motte/McClellan/Boggs/Hawksworth all have options left, so that’s a nice ST competition to see who makes the club and who goes to Memphis to start the year.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

boogs made his name in college

as a reliever
so back to the future for him makes some sense

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 11, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the latin equivalent

of brendan ryan?

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brendanus Ryanensis

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm big on Calero

I just see KMac and Franklin getting trotted out again and again in important situations and TLR ignoring Boggs/Motte. I have no confidence in Hawksworth doing much, though he could be a useful 6th starter.

I agree on Boggs, but, like everyone else, he’s still just a “maybe”. I’d like to have as many options as possible, personally. We really need two or three reliable right handers, and right now we have literally zero that we can truly rely on.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OT: anyone help me out planning a trip to ST?

I’ve never been, and I think this year is the year. Any recommendations about where to stay, what to do, etc?

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Nov 11, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You doing just the Cards or going all around Florida?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just Cards

Dont think Ill be able to escape work for more than an extended weekend

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Nov 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If it was me

I’d pick a weekend where they’re going to be playing in Jupiter and just stay right there. There’s a nice little ped mall with good bars and restaurants right by the stadium and training facility, the Marlins also train there, and there are plenty of places to stay within a short drive of the complex.

If you have access to Southwest Airlines, look for tickets flying roundtrip into Miami from wherever you’re coming from.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the tips...

Thats definitely what Im planning on. March 5-7 looks like that weekend. Whats the drive from Miami like?

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Nov 11, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not horrible

I’ve driven from Orlando and from Miami, and Miami is shorter as long as you avoid rush hour. Also, be prepared to drive 90 mph in the fast lane on the freeway there, if you don’t like to drive fast I recommend staying in the farthest right lane. Everyone down there drives like a maniac — it’s like L.A. without the gridlock.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

catch a back to back with the mets

jupiter to pt st lucie is easy and mets park is nice
fly into ft lauderdale if you can

i’m looking at the at atlanta and at houston pair, both basically in orlando and mco has good prices, or you can use sanford, which is even cheaper

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WPB wasn't bad for me back in '03

I had a pretty good time, although it was 90-95 every day (after a cold winter up north) and the hotel we started at was horrid (concrete slabs to sleep on); I think it was a Super 8 there in Jupiter, but I’m just going from memory. The “ballpark village” there was fairly nice, with some decent restaurants. The whole area there around the ballpark looked like it had been built within the past two months.

Harry & The Natives is a nice restaurant in the area, kind of a Jimmy Buffet-style place. Guy I worked with who lived down there took me and the Evil Twin; random fact – Greg Norman walked past our table (WE’RE HAPPY FOR YA!).

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Nov 11, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I drove down from Orlando last spring

I was able to stay with my cousin down in Palm Springs, so that worked out nicely (his wife also works at an amazing Italian restaurant that we spent the majority of one night in). I stayed at the Super 8 in Jupiter the next night, which wasn’t all that bad, really.

The ballpark village area was really pretty nice when I was there, good food, coffee shop (where I spoke with Pat Parris for quite a while, he got his start in broadcasting working for TV-13, the NBC affiliate in Des Moines where I’m from) and the night life is pretty decent with a good selection of bars to go to. There’s really no beaches to speak of near the ballpark area, but I’m sure my cousin could point you to some decent places less than half an hour’s drive from Jupiter down in Palm Springs.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Found a flight into WPB for $300, think I’m gonna roll with that

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop dude! Where you flying from?

I’m going March 6-12. Do not book until you look at Southwest.
From Nashville to PBI was $114
From PBI back to Nashville is $134

Budget has cheapest cars so far. $189 for midsize. But I’lll probably Priceline it along with hotel.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 11, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the heads up, I wish I could find something that cheap..

Im flying from NYC though, and southwest flights are pretty limited. Everything is awful times, 2 stops, and not more than $10 cheaper than the non-stop one I found. I’m meeting some people down there from the nashville area though, and I passed this on to them. Seriously, thanks!

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Nov 12, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sikeston, MO...

is a freaking armpit. Don’t go. The entire boot heel is a wasteland.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well go to Lambert's but then keep driving.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

never been there

apparently i’m missing out…

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you had lottawater creek?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The music and clientele there are obnoxious,

but the food is gigantified.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still a little bitter at that place on account of I got a hot roll throwed right at my face/head.

I wasn’t looking anywhere near the guy so it’s not like I was tipping roll catches or something. He must have missed a sign.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They do that.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

those guys have cannons too

They’re usually on the HS baseball team.

My grandpa acts like an idiot/kid when we go there. He wants to catch everybody’s rolls at the table, the table next to us and just some extra to take home…..and gets pissed when they cut him off.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They always throw it softly to me.

Some may call it sexist, I call it gentlemanly and fine by me. I would duck if one came flying at me like they throw them to the guys in the restaurant.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a Lambert's in Foley, AL that I've been to

It was thebomb.com

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been to one in Gulf Shores.

I don’t if that’s the same. And one somewhere else in Missouri, I forget where.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in the Ozarks were people like us "have purdy mouths"

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s actually in Foley, about 3-5 miles north of Gulf Shores, but that’s the one

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i say skip getting your food thrown at you & drive 20min south to Dexter

and eat some awesome BBQ at The Hickory Log. you will not be disappointed.

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate BBQ.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We all have a little Adam Dunn in us.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

must....resist......urge.........to........make.............joke...............

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

speak for yourself, clemsongirl OR that’s what she said.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well his nickname is donkey....

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this comment made me LOL

literally

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 11, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you hate the bacons, you hate BBQ

geesh, why are we internet friends again?

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree here.

That makes no sense.
It’s hard to find things greater than bacon and BBQ.

Also, bacon can enhance other things: bacon wrapped shrimp, bacon wrapped steak, bacon wrapped hot dogs, etc. Also, bacon bits.

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 11, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bacon and BBQ are cousins in the Royal family of food

in the Smokey line. Smoke plus meat equals sooooo good.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

close cousins? they're married

Bacon Explosion

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 11, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Royals can marry their cousins

It’s all good.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and then eventually

you get prince charles

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

are you kidding? royals only marry their cousins

it’s sick i tells ya, sick!

btw, i don’t like sausage, but i’d eat that bacon explosion. i’d eat the whole damn thing

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to catch the attention of those not paying attention

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 11, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my goodness

I see the promised land…

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wait, what's the green crap?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anise seeds

Essential for the sausage.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fennel seeds from the sausage?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 11, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

You’re right, I think they’re fennel seeds, not anise seeds.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about this....

I’m not fond of green stuff in my meat. unless it’s mint and lamb.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe use a different kind of sausage?

Also, what are you feeling on wasabi?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the ginger slices

but I’m not averse to a little wasabi

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So it's not greenness per se that bothers you

It bothers me when sushi places put wasabi in the sushi for you.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

it’s the green in the meat

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, one of my favorite Grandpa Simpson quotes:

“Call me mint jelly, ‘cause I’m on the lam!”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i swear you guys said anus seeds

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by gdm426 on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That looks disgusting.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fixed
That looks disgusting[ly awesome!].

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

something tells me most women would

while most guys erupt in orgasmic glee.

i wonder if that’s a nature or nurture thing

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 11, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i can only hope

it’s nature

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you can't beat bacon-wrapped bacon IMO

OR – pigs in blankets. Awesome. Best thing about christmas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigs_in_blankets#United_Kingdom

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Nov 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

it’s like north STL, without the imminent threat of murder

by _pistol_ on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say North St. Louis

it’s a different kind of hell-hole filled with bumpkins…so say, South County.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no no no no no

soco is okay. if you want bumpkins that break the law, you have to go south of the meramac into jeffco.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently if you say Jeffco to a person from Jeffco. they think you mean the community college.

It doesn’t occur to them that you may mean the entire county.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

eh, they don't understand

they’re too busy doing meth.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's Washington County.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

jeffco was the #1 county for meth in the country last year.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but Washington County is where the documentary was made.

So obviously it will always reign supreme.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love reading this stuff...

and realizing I am totally justified in my decision to avoid Missouri like the plague (short of Busch)

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

St. Louis County is fine.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ummmm

st. louis county SOUTH of 40 is fine.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WEST of 270.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and NORTH of 44

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know directions.

I have no idea what area y’all just described.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, Fenton?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooooooohhhhhh

that sounds wonderful!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahah nice hand, sir.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He means ma'am.

Sponsored by Slick-Rick 'Stache Cream

by The_teague on Nov 11, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He better mean Ms.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how about mrs.?

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh

one of those women…

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean a woman not interested

in perpetuating even the symbolic ownership of women? Yeah, one of those women.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How is it easier?

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you do realize that that's a legal name change?

every document, license, owned piece of property, tax, junk mail sales catalog and your mother’s brother’s ex-wife’s cousin has to be informed?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

okay okay okay

i’ve just always assumed that’s just how’s it done.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...magically?

or by the woman?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a woman's issue,

and is likely not considered by some men.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"that's just how it's done"

The slogan for social regression everywhere.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

always follow precedent...

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm the biggest SABR fan...

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

(sigh)

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i meant not the biggest

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thats what she said.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this whole subthread was awesome

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 11, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just keep the baked goods coming.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just made

these.

I’m going stir-crazy being sick.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd tell you want to do with them

but fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, won’t get fooled again

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

did you not get your brownies?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 11, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i can neither confirm

nor deny this

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Salted brown butter crisp treats" sounds so much more complicated than "Rice Crispies squares"

Anyway, now I really want some.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

epic

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Webster's fine thank you.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

okay, no. that's for the rich snobs.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So Ladue sucks?

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

shots fired at Clayton and U-City.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Frontenac.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the first time that's ever happened

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not true.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who got shot in frontenac?

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd bet not since the late 1800's

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oooooh bar graph

We need more of those on here… Is this from a particular year or range of years?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hell if I know

All I know is it’s on the internet, so it has to be true.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet...

Sorry I questioned the validity of random internet graphs. I should know better than to pull such a stunt. F’in ducttape

Eh that doesn’t really have the same ring to it.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so someone got stabbed there recently?

we’re talking about shootings. violent crime can mean anything from a shooting to a mugging.

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wooh! Go Clayton!

Nobody had better talk smack on Clayton!!!

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Nov 11, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A buddy of mine works for the onion

and sent me this link to say happy veterans day. It’s pretty funny, but the biggest laugh I got in when it said there was a black guy from Clayton.

/politically incorrect!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

jeff taint, ha

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tate.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i know what i heard

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by gdm426 on Nov 12, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Onion

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that true of Clayton?

/I’m from SoCal, but my godfather lives in Clayton, and when my family visits we stay with him.
/Also, we’re white and so is my godfather.

Though, I haven’t been out since I went out there to look at colleges in summer 2004 (no, I did not visit Rolla, even though it’s my dad’s alma mater).

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by Cardinals645 on Nov 11, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Things I learned.

1. The Cardinals are awesome.
2. Ted Drewes is awesome.

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Nov 11, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There literally isn't a single square inch...

of Missouri worth a damn other than Busch, a couple acres of Soulard, and a few establishments in Columbia

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

STL "night life" makes me want to shake a baby.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Makes me get drunk with my friends and have agood time.

weird.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yabut...

after you’re drunk and you’ve had your fun, who do you end up with?

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my wife

and a frozen pizza normally.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See...

this proves our argument…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because in a better city,

a married man does what exactly?

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Consider his options...

but not necessarily make a particular choice.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, what you're saying is that in better cities,

married men have get to think about cheating on their wives more often than married men in St. Louis? I didn’t realize St. Louis had thought police.

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by spants on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are husbands who want to cheat...

and there are saints like Alx that don’t, and a good city will provide everyone with the means to achieve their own life goals.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well if Alx doesn't want to cheat

you can’t use him not cheating as support for your argument that people who want to cheat can’t.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They can in theory...

but the fact that he doesn’t want to is indicative, in part, of the options that are available to him. In the case of a good guy like alx, a very small, teeny tiny part….

“A man is only as faithful as his options”
-- Chris Rock, philosopher

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

do you know how much fucking work

cheating on my wife sounds like?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"better"

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's baggin on our sluts!

get him!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't have to cheat

But you don’t have to be hungry to look at the menu.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And the menu in St. Louis is limited

because the quality of women? The sheer numbers?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

I just felt like saying that

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey

there’s a TON of hot girls at mizzou and virtually zero at truman because of sheer numbers

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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have friends who go to Truman

and they know you so watch it buddy.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's creepy....

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

only if she's an uggo

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The sample that came to Mizzou

Last week for the exhibition basketball genocide were…not a very prime sample. Then I made fun of Kirksville, they claimed they had a higher IQ (who says something like that? It’s not like Truman is even that good of a school) and I chuckled.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Nov 11, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I WAS THERE!!!

and trust me, i DID NOT reduce myself to any “ACT score” chants or any bullshit of the kind. i apologize for those that did.

could you at least hear us in the top corner when we took the lead?

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

they were doing an ACT score chant. Wow.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i mean, the score was 97-33

i just sat there and watched the amazing athletic ability of jt tiller.

at one point in the second half, jarrett sutton had scored as many points in the half as our entire team.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we brought like 100...

and in all honesty, truman kids just used it as an excuse to do something other than sit in kirksville on a friday night. any way to get out of that hellhole…

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harvard of the Midwest!@!!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I don’t see how there’s much to argue with here.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's too cold for hot chicks!

(all of my wife’s friends from Truman are hot. I’m sorry to hear it went downhill.)

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a FREEZING 57 today...

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And a balmy 61 way down south here.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if you wanna see a limited menu

make a trip to Rolla.

The supply-demand dynamics are saddening. Desperate young men, doing desperate things.

by _pistol_ on Nov 11, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My friend who goes there is pretty.

And is therefore very popular.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my parents pretty much told me

I could not go to Rolla. So I went to Mizzou. Where 9’s are 7’s because there is just so many of them.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh god rolla

visited once, vowed never to go again.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i've got relatives down there

what are you saying?

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I'm from Rolla!

But yeah, UMR (Fuck MST) is not the place to go for women. Which is why I’m at USC

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 11, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scary two years at UMR

… (fft fft) is this thing on? …
I, the Evil Twin, have taken over this post to make the following comment:

Went to UMR pushing twenty years ago, back when the guy-to-girl (ANY girl) ratio was 4:1. Add to that engineering school (limited artsy options), in Missouri away from the major metropoli, and underclassman meant almost no chance of encountering quality eye candy. And because I don’t imbibe, I couldn’t even take advantage of “Rolla Goggles” to find something acceptable (pick up two empty beer bottles and look through them to play the home game).

Not really any options on the townie front, either. Well-fed people who hadn’t heard of cosmetic dentistry (shudder).

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Nov 12, 2009 6:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

So you were lying about all those

hot girls you were getting. Shocking. ;)

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hot relative to the school...

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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this makes me have flashbacks

of me going to college in Vincennes IN and going to HS in Perryville MO, (both sub 10k people).

resisting the urge to murder…

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha, Vincennes! Yes!

I’m from Evansville, which is a thriving metropolis comparatively

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Nov 11, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Woodys burnt down dammit

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 12, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're related?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone PLEASE tell

all4tookie what to do in Florida this Spring?? Man, wading through the BS around here is exhausting…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

this all stemmed from that comment?

my bad……

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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it mainly is

i’ll take the blame.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think both sexes have it

equally bad.

The girls have to deal with the bland cookie cutter, boring midwest guys OR the affliction Dbags.

The guys have to deal with what I call “St. Louis 9s”. They’re 7s in reality but since they’re such a shortage of real 9s and 10s around here they get to act and think like they’re 9s. In addition to the bland, cookie cutter, boring girls that dress/act the same.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Note to self: You are not a bland cookie cutter boring midwest guy. Move to midwest and clean up.

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But you can't use what Alx said

to say that the menu in St. Louis is somehow bad.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A) The crux of your argument is disturbing and nonsensical.

B) You do know people cheat on their spouses in even the tiniest of towns, right?
C) If what you’re looking for is a city large enough to keep you from running into scorned women, then yeah, St. Louis is too small.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How in the hell did this devolve

into a discussion about getting stank on the dangle… ok I really just wanted to use the phrase stank on the dangle and I felt this may be the only chance for awhile… I apologize.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're argument is

I’m fat and have an awesome wife, then I agree!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The wife love on this site recently is truly touching.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mine is away with the baby on an away rotation for four weeks.

It’s getting kind of lonely.
Although I have had the rare opportunity to go out with friends and drink awesome beer and smoke cigars. So it’s not all bad.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they have "sites" for that.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we're VEB

you shouldn’t be surprised at our loyalty

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*your!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm...

I’ve lost my train of thought again…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His wife?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're claiming Columbia as a positive...

probably a good sign that argument has no legs to stand on.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TED. DREWES.

Take it back/amend.

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Nov 11, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

6ly

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The bit of Delmar (sp?)

up towards the university is OK.

I like Soulard too but a lot of it is actually a dump. I stayed in the 2nd worst youth hostel I have ever stayed in there about 8 years ago.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Both major cities in the state clearly want out.

They went so far as to establish colonies in neighboring states, hoping to eventually relocate.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's funny cause it's true...

rec’d

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And those both went so well.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've never been to Kansas City, Kansas...

but I can’t imagine it’s fair to lump it in with East St. Louis… Nothing can live up to the cosmopolitan nature of East St. Louis.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So your saying theres no classy casino

with not at all annoying commercials?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the east side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRJnEbt89w8&feature=player_embedded

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha! Hence the irony!

I’ve grown tired of Missouri bashing. I mean, look at the alternatives. Kansas? Illinois???

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

illinois is the worst state in the US

seriously.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On what grounds?

I’m looking for a list of no fewer than 14 items. As a life long resident of the state I agree, just want to see someone put this down on internet paper.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a plus:

In Illinois Pluto is still a planet.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And pi is 4 in Indiana...

I love state legislatures… Really government as a whole… Heaven forbid those guys do something useful with their time like their damn jobs…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pi is pizza

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fine

1. rob blagojevich
2. george ryan
3. rob blagojevich
4. george ryan
5. rob blagojevich
6. george ryan
7. rob blagojevich
8. george ryan
9. rob blagojevich
10. george ryan
11. rob blagojevich
12. george ryan
13. rob blagojevich
14. george ryan

any questions?

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

um, rod

my bad.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm seeing two reasons listed 7 times...

Not what I was looking for… see me after class.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fine

3. the whole state is broke

4. the city-state of chicago stealing the whole state’s resources

5. U of I being huge bitches and rejecting perfectly decent students because they’re not from illinois

6. the cubs are in illinois

7. todd stroger

8. mayor dayley

9. idpa is a bitch and doesn’t pay money to its healthcare providers

10. the public school system in illinois is a joke

11. the blackhawks are from illinois

12. the chicago interstate system

13. toll roads

14. chicago makes all of the state’s decisions

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So it appears to me you're angry at Chicago

more so than the rest of the state. And where did you get number 5 from? That one makes no sense to me. They get a whole lot more money from out of staters… they should be bending over backwards to let them in.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

but seriously, U of I is one of the hardest schools to get into for a suburban stl kid.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And if you do get in

good luck paying for it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't know...

I was an in state kid who didn’t get into a super competitive program…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you're just dumb?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

apparently you've never lived in Illinois

Chicago rules everything and it gets old fast. Rod wouldn’t even sleep in Springfield, what other state would let the governor get away with that. All that money he used on jet fuel all those years could have been used elsewhere. I’m glad I’m not there anymore.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Nov 12, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As someone who grew up down state I feel your frustration

but then you have to look at it as the Chicago area has about 9 million from what I’ve heard… that is by far the majority of the population… thus it makes sense most of the taxes and all that goes there. 1 mile or road benefits a lot more people than one in say Cairo would…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 12, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like toll roads

Make the people who damage the roads help pay for their upkeep, even if they are from out-of-state.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you are driving a big rig

you aren’t damaging roads… at least not interstates.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you left out

not having a death penalty. . . or did they change that back?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 11, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where are you from?

Texas?

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Missouri

had to read this book as a part of my undergrad ciminology course. Very thought provoking and eye opening about the problems in our judicial system. This is as far as I’m going to get involved though because this is definitely a political sub-thread

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 11, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I just like taking cheap shots at Texas

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

The Illinois public schools are just fine thanks. I graduated from O’Fallon Township and received a strong education.

by Mulliganstew on Nov 11, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mulliganstew

have you seen the catcher drafted this year by twins? do you know if he signed or went to carbondale? i went to see him in state playoffs in joliet.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pls add

todd stroger & mayor dayley to the list

by _pistol_ on Nov 11, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Daley is awesome...

what he did with Meiggs Field was awesome. Favorite politician ever.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

apparently corrupt authoritarianism is your thing

by _pistol_ on Nov 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to admit

that it’s kind of funny he wanted a concert venue instead of a landing strip… so he sent out equipment at 3 am to tear up the runway so that it couldn’t be used any more and he got his way. Gotta love the brass balls to pull that off.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its funny, yet sad

no repercussions, just blind support and repeated re-election. There are no checks and balances in a machine.

by _pistol_ on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that...

But it’s Chicago… you don’t have to go to the polling place to vote. It’s a real nice set up they have here.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just glanced below

apparently there’s some baseball discussion going on. Something about gold gloves or some nonsense.

by _pistol_ on Nov 11, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the offseason...

why would we want to talk about baseball…

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ohio laughs at your foolishness young lad

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if you've seen this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr3ftmvO7Oc looked like something you may enjoy.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i got 30seconds in & i wanted to kill that guy

gawd i hate everyone here, i don’t care if you live in cleveland or cincinnati. ugh.

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you get to the names for the new state?

Cause that was comedy gold.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, i quit 30seconds in

when does he get to that?

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Around the beginning of the 3 minute mark

Just watch the whole thing… he takes some nice shots at Cincy too.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you gotta love the YouTube comments for something like that

He does a great job of being just sarcastic enough that nobody seems to get it’s all a joke.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's the genius behind the Cleveland Tourism videos as well

his written work at the old phatphree.com was always fantastic.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured he was

Those videos are perfect.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I firmly believe

there should be an application process you have to go through before being given the right to post comments on youtube… really cut down on a bunch of nonsense.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I mean, the video makes it pretty clear by the end how tongue-in-cheek it is, but nobody is the wiser.
Youtube comments are the lowest form of mammal communication.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which makes it that much more amazing

when you see a real good one. There is one for the BHG Screwing You on the Beach at Nite which is simply amazing… Something to the effect of using the line “On a unicorn that shits your name in stars” in his wedding vows or using the song as their wedding song because of that line… whatever it was raised the bar for youtube comments everywhere.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well i thought for the first 30sec he was 6

so can someone get me a towel to wipe this egg off my face?

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I sympathize

At first my reaction was “this guy is not that funny, he’s just an ass.” But his stereotype of “Old Ohio” folk was so ludicrous that it became clear that the inherently hypocritical complaints of prejudice and bigotry were intentionally ironic. And this understanding evolved as I continued to watch the video.
Nobody who made those YouTube comments seem to have bothered to think that hard.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what got me was i've met guys just like him

hell the place is full of them. i’ll watch all of it in a minute, but i’m telling you all. the first 30seconds of that was dead on

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Guys like the person making the video, or guys like the people he complains about?
I personally have more of a problem with urbanites who think they’re better than the “yokels” than I do with the yokels themselves.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but I'm better than you.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah the urbanites, they really piss me off

that was funny though. there are a bunch of white people around here.

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is baseball a "stuff white peopel like"?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but how many yokels do you regularly deal with?

Because living in this part of the country, you deal with a ton of them…

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Large parts of my extended family could be considered yokels

They just aren’t from Missouri.
I just really get tired of the accepted prejudices against people from rural areas in general. But that video was so obviously tongue-in-cheek that it’s not an issue.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there's a lot of west virgina/KY mixed

groups that have mated & now there’s a crap ton of their offspring making my life a living hell. they’re hybrid yokels, the worst kind of yokel

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by gdm426 on Nov 12, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not egg.....

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's the tallest midget argument I was waiting for...

I love it.

"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon

by ducttape16 on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like a good fielding Left Fielder.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My experience

I went for the first time (well first since childhood) last year. I stayed at the Fairfield in (north) Jupiter off Indiantown road. It was a 10-15 minute drive to the park and not near the beach either. So I wouldn’t recommend that. But it is cheap. The ballpark in Jupiter is pretty nice and the area around it is decent too, so I would either stay there or try and find a rental on the beach.

I wouldn’t stay anywhere south of there though, as are closest opponent to the south is the Orioles in Fort Lauderdale and it is likely they are moving north to Vero Beach. Of course you’re also likely to see a game in Port St. Lucie vs the Mets, and while the fans are annoying (even down there!), the facility there is really nice.

As for activities, I recommend just realxing on the beach (if it is warm enough…usually is), eating, and lots of baseball. It is fun to travel to the other stadiums (btw…Oriole stadium in FLL is a craphole).

by Fred Head on Nov 11, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've never been to Cardinal ST

but there is a decent chance that I am going to get to vacation in Palm Beach in Feb or March next season with some friends. I figure they have to go to Jupiter with me since I was nice drunk enough to go to the cubs ST with some of them several years ago.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Nov 11, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd, for this comment
a body composed mostly of old newspapers and sadness

"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols

"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And for the rest of the article, too, but especially that comment

"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols

"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NL Gold Gloves Announced

Looks like the scooped list from earlier was correct.

Congrats to Yadi and A.D.A.M.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 11, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

the three division winners each got 2

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 11, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm, you don't say...

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At least those last

couple of games didn’t ruin it for Yadi.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Nov 11, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, Straussie was wrong?

Shocking.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 11, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what did he say?

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He said

“My information is that one Cardinal player to receive a NL Gold Glove on Tuesday. I’ll leave the rest to your speculation.”

Of course, he didn’t say “ONLY one.” Still.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 11, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Strauss is a fucking joke.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 12, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone go tell Piniero

He’s not good enough to win a gold glove and still not good enough to start for Mexico.

by bailorg on Nov 11, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oquendo and Puerto Rico are very disappointed in Joel.

Look at Yadi, he’s Puerto Rican and had no problem winning a GG.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we probably shouldn't tell him that till he accepts a lowball offer from the Cards

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who, Yadi?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mexico.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes. we have to feed Dennys somehow.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dominican

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, Wainwright is posed to win like ten gold gloves in a row now.

Awesome.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just wonder if its a sign of things to come.

Voters liked Wainwright enough to vote for him in the Gold Glove voting. Does that mean they also liked him enough to vote him the Cy Young award?

Does anyone know if its the same people who vote for both awards?

by Matty I on Nov 11, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's mostly coaches who vote for the GG

Can anybody be more specific?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and when does it happen?

if it includes the playoffs, my impression was that Piñeiro’s last start doomed his GG hopes.

after a great year with the glove for Kick Save! jeez. I guess Puerto Rico won’t want him now.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo YADIER!!
and A.D.A.M. who I’m sure has a great “surprised” face.

man, I wanna watch 06 highlights again.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*poised

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Nov 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yay Yadi, yay A.D.A.M.!!

(And condolences again, Chase – people just love to pick the wrong Phillies!)

by astrostl on Nov 11, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I fear that Chase Utley will just go postal some day.

“I’m Chase Utley, damn you!!! I play for the Phillies too!!!”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I find it depressing to consider where’s he’d fall in a popular vote of best offensive or defensive Phillie :(

by astrostl on Nov 11, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quote from Scott Boras about St. Louis

“If you’re drawing 3.3 million fans [third in the NL] and you’re averaging $50 a fan coming in, I just don’t know that mid-market term,” Boras said. “I’m trying to think if that’s part of the laissez-faire system. I don’t know.”

Well at least Boras thinks that the Cards can afford Holliday.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Nov 11, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It would have been better if he had just said

“OPEN THE DEWALLET!!!!”

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting...

He’s trying to say we should be able to afford Holliday? Doesn’t this mean we have leverage? Why would he be saying that if he didn’t want Holliday to go there?
I’m overthinking this but it’s Boras, so you’ll have to forgive me.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he's publicly calling out ownership to try and get them to up their offering price

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But why would he do that when he could just save the trouble and get the Mets or Red Sox to overpay for him?

Which makes me wonder if he knows St. Louis is most likely to sign and he just wants to squeeze every dollar that he realistically can from us.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess he could just be doing a full court press though

Keep all options open and optimized.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this.

It seems like he knows Holliday wants to be in St. Louis, but maybe he doesn’t want St. Louis to know that. And he doesn’t want to hear St. Louis say they can’t afford what Boras is commanding, because if Holliday really wants to stay, then Boras will have to take a smaller contract.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Nov 11, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he may have been undercut by the Waino story from yesterday:

“Matt Holliday, of course he’ll be back. I’m Adam Motherfucking Wainwright and I can tell no lies.”

So what’s the real actual top dollar we’d spend for MH?

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Nov 11, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I figure we probably go 6/100

I can’t see us finding $20m/yr for him. 6/100 would probably (hopefully?) come out about evens, value-wise, over the course of the contract. If he stays healthy, actually, he could provide that much in about 4 very good years.

To be honest, I’m not really sure I’m that bothered if he comes back. I think there’s probably better options, although it might help with negotiations with Pujols (i.e. “here’s your protection, we’re serious about contending”). I really wanted him earlier in the year, and I’ll be excited if we do get him, but a) I don’t really see it happening, still, the Yankees just makes too much sense for everyone involved and b) I’m not really that bothered.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Lee signed for 6/100 in 2007

I see no chance Holliday signs a 6/100 deal three years later, despite the current economy.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're probably right.

The question was “how high would you go?”. Unless we’re going to see a major spike in payroll, that’s how high I would go, and even that is (IMO) a bit of a stretch, given the increases we’re going to be giving to Waino, Pujols and the like in coming years.

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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, the bidding for Holliday is going to start at....

5/100. I think he’ll sign for 6/126 or thereabouts.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 13, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your last sentence is what I took from the statement

And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"

by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the only reason for him to do it

is to try to get the cardinals to drive up the price.

He doesn’t care who H signs with, or what H is worth; all he cares about is the final $ figure.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think you have to look at the context

of the quote. I’m pretty sure that quote was in response to a question asking him if they would consider giving StL a “hometown discount” of sorts.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 11, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn you and your context!

Now I’m going to despair again.
There’s no chance of signing Holliday, nothing to see here folks. Might as well re-sign Ankiel…

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will hang myself in my garage

while listening to “Love in an Elevator” if we resign Ankiel.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

I don’t know why but that’s hilariouis. “Love in an Elevator?”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some friends and I used to play a game

where we picked what song would be weirdest to play on a loop while you killed yourself so that whomever found you would a) wonder “why in the hell was he playing that song on a loop when he killed himself?” and 2) be traumatized whenever they heard it in the future.

Right now, my leader in the clubhouse is "Love in an Elevator."

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this would be my choice

LINK

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the super mario theme would be great, too.

such a riddle to crack. I’d probably kill myself trying to figure out why someone would kill themselves to that song.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 11, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is about the best possible explanation I could have hoped for.

Kudos.

I think I would have chosen the theme song to Disney’s Gummi Bears.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gummmmmmiiiiiii beeaarrrsssss

bouncing here & there & everywhere

don’t ask me why i know those lyrics

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by gdm426 on Nov 11, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

High adventure that's beyond compare

We are the Gummi Bears
We are the Gummi Bears!

I know it because it’s part of my childhood. Someday I will re-learn all the lyrics to the Tail Spin song. It will happen.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i hate admiting i watched that

i’ll never feel that way about tali spin

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by gdm426 on Nov 12, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you *forgot* the lyrics to Tail Spin?

next thing you’ll tell me you can’t remember the ones to Darkwing Duck. shock-ing.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't remember the fast part of Tail Spin

And I never actually got all that into Darkwing Duck. I think I was starting to lose interest in the Disney cartoons by the time that was in its heyday.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 12, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

excellent

you have excellent friends

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions