2009 SBN Rookie of the Year
by DanUpBaby on Nov 10, 2009 6:00 AM EST
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I'm going to be honest—the ballots went out a while ago, and until I got the results back I was relatively sure I voted for Cullerton Rasputin, at least in third place. His name must have slipped my mind.
| Rk | Player | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Tommy Hanson | Atlanta Braves | 9 | 9 | 6 | 78 |
| 2 | J.A. Happ | Philadelphia Phillies | 6 | 9 | 7 | 64 |
| 3 | Andrew McCutchen | Pittsburgh Pirates | 8 | 3 | 5 | 54 |
| 4 | Chris Coghlan | Florida Marlins | 7 | 5 | 4 | 54 |
| 5 | Dexter Fowler | Colorado Rockies | - | 3 | 1 | 10 |
| 6 | Randy Wells | Chicago Cubs | - | - | 6 | 6 |
| 7 | Garrett Jones | Pittsburgh Pirates | 1 | - | - | 5 |
| 8 | Casey McGehee | Milwaukee Brewers | - | 1 | 2 | 5 |
| 9 | Seth Smith | Colorado Rockies | - | 1 | - | 3 |
That said, I'm not sure I can argue with the results; Hanson was brilliant, J.A. Happ might end up the next Pat Listach but nevertheless qualified for the ERA title with a top ten finish, and Andrew McCutchen had twenty more runs created than Rasmus in thirty fewer plate appearances.
As for that lone Garrett Jones vote, he was awesome, but I think this is the first time I've ever seen the Manny Ramirez Postulate used to justify a rookie of the year vote.
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Not a Single Vote for Cheese???
C’mon, Colby has to get at least 1 vote…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 10, 2009 7:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
why?
He wasn’t even the best-overall NL rookie CF, much less best overall rookie.
I still believe management mishandled his (or his dad’s) ego last year, and he was brought him up a year or maybe 2 years too soon, trading control over his peak age-28/29 years for a year of .714 OPS, 0.3 WAR over average while heavily protected from LHP. Yay.
No need to give the dude any kind of award for that. He was an acceptable player this last year, but nothing special. He has a TON of work to do before he becomes Mike Cameron. He’ll probably have the better career, but he hasn’t shown it, yet.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 11, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh
i think he gained more from a year up than a year down, and that will benefit us, as the rookie year struggles had to happen eventually anyway. besides, our options w/o cheese are not pretty to reconsider.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hope so
but when he’s 28/29, he’ll hopefully be a 5-6 win player. And we traded that for what he gave us last year.
If he had put up a .900 OPS in AAA last year, I’d have a different perspective, but he clearly didn’t show that he had nothing left to learn in the minor leagues.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so given that,
he damn well BETTER give us one hell of a team-friendly contract when it comes to it.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a better measuring stick
is AA performance, lots of older, career minor leaguers in AAA, playing against young but much more talented kids who are often moved up before they adjust.
this is my opinion, but is shared by about 2/3 of those in various capacities of pro baseball I have discussed it with.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we're talking about readiness for MLB
why would AA performance be “a better measuring stick” than AAA for that?
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 12, 2009 3:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in AA they find out what they got
AAA doesn’t really tell them much more – it’s a waiting room, but the team already pretty much knows who they’re letting in the office for a face-to-face.
after colby’s AA year they knew he could play in STL, and also when he had the best spring training in 08 they knew he was ready then, but decided to hold him for a year in AAA. he had an injury-plagued year but it ended and he came up as scheduled – colby had nothing to prove to the team in AAA because he had already proven in AA that he was ready talent-wise for the show.
i suppose the cards could’ve kept apu down another year to forestall a big payday but he was physically and mentally ready. they kept colby back an extra year because they felt he wasn’t physically and mentally ready in 08. even then there was never a question about his talent, or an 09 roster spot
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 12, 2009 6:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Albert was born ridiculous.
then he worked harder.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this will not sit well
you best come up with a “the dog ate my vote” defense. not for me, but for…well, you know.
hey, cheese’ll win soph of the year, and birds’ll win the world series. who needs rookie awards – TLR doesn’t even like rookies. cheese knew he’d be benched in ’10 if he pulled that off, so he played it cool.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 8:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
in retrospect
dead man walking
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, if Colby would have won the ROY
Tony would have said " That was last year" and then the next thing we know he would spend most of ’10 in Memphis. For a Alabamian/Georgian, Colby is pretty dang bright.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 10, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you implying about Alabamians and Georgians?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That they founded the KKK and decided to boil peanuts?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my gosh boiled peanuts are disgusting.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
not a single vote…. From ahead by a mile in June, to out of the top 10. What a tank job…
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 10, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
damn those chili dogs!
I’m sure it was somehow Boog’s fault.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well actually, yeah...it was a tank jobI
I’m still pretty high on Colby’s future, and his playoff performance restored what little bit of confidence I had lost in him, but to be honest he did pretty much suck at the plate in the second half. Can’t find all the advanced batting splits, but his OPS fell from .807 in the first half to .592 in the second, his sOPS+ from 114 to 58, and his BA and OBP plummeted from .278 to .216 and .329 to .278, respectively. His BABIP did fall to pretty unlucky levels, however, and his medical issues must also be taken into account. Ugly offensive numbers there, but he showed signs of a young player working through some difficulties and exhibited some encouraging improvement there at the end, so I’m not too worried about it.
by mattyp on Nov 10, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
going through, he was taking *all those walks*
then he inexplicably stopped after the All Star Break.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evidently his stomach was causing him
to want to punish something, like a baseball. And walks were to pacifistic.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too*
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually he started walking
when the hiatal hernia started acting up.
then he stopped.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So much for my sad attempt at a joke.
Guess I shoulda checked the timeline first. For some reason I didn’t think the hernia showed up until later.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought so too
that was just when the stonewalling stopped, I think.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday sweepstakes: Mets are out?
According to this report, they are:
(…) a team insider told the Daily News he expected the salary demands of outfielders Matt Holliday and Jason Bay to be too high for the Mets. Instead, they expect to sign a left fielder from the second tier of free agents, or acquire one via trade, a team source said.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 10, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Salary demands exceed what the *Mets* are comfortable with?
Holy hell. There’s no chance of us resigning him.
At least we get a first-rounder for him.
by craig3410 on Nov 10, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Citi Field
lego probably wants an extra 5 mil a year to hit there.
if ownership can afford him, great – i just don’t want a drawn-out process that leaves us holding the bag, so to speak.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can"t be that hard
half of Boog’s homers* are there
*not counting cub-aided
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
i have no defense
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so now you have something in common with Ozzie Guillen
cool.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And mid- 20th century France against the German blitzkrieg!
Am I doing it rite?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait,
are you saying that the Maginot Line was not a defense?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well technically Adam Dunn plays defense too.
But his lack of mobility means the baseball is able to make it past him using speed and surprise and bypasses his glove and attacks Paris…what were we talking about?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big, clumsy, expensive, ineffective defense
yes, I think so.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
it’s an almost stunningly appropriate analogy.
Bonus points to the VEBer who attends a Nats game at Busch this year and yells out to Dunn when he misses a play “hey, Maginot! Nice catch!”.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how does one pronounce it, though?
maybe the sign guy would be a better candidate for this.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
madge-ee-no
accent on madge and no, like majjy-no
I don’t have a clever sign idea, though.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 11, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have said the french pronunciation is more maji-no
with a very soft “j”.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dunn would probably wonder
why he was getting the US Cellular Magglio treatment
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Herd....
…that people who know Holliday say he is not much interested in playing in Moo York City, for what its worth…
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 10, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The number of potential Holliday shoppers keeps dwindling
LA Dodgers are out (money going to Manny). Mets out (money went to Madoff). Potential suitors are LA Angeles, SF Giants, and Cards. If it is just these three teams, its at least theoretically possible the Cards have a chance to gamble at that table. But I think Boras will entice either Boston (upgrade over Bay) or the Yankees (upgrade over Damon) to the table and, if that happens, the other mega team joins the fray solely to keep pace with the its enemy. Once Boston and/or NYY are at the table, the Cards are toast.
by jjray on Nov 10, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Wilpons actually *made* money with Madoff?
And that the feds were attempting to get at it so that those ripped off by Madoff could receive some restitution?
I have problems relying too heavily on nameless sources. Also, keep in mind that the Yanks swooped in and signed Teixiera without much in the way of rumors from the gossip mill. We will see what happens, but I’m pretty confident that Boras will tie the Yankees to Holliday in the gossip columns even if they are not actually involved.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really no reason
the yanks shouldn’t scoop holliday. he’s texeira at a discount.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No reason why the Yanks shouldn't sign both
Lackey and Holliday.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
I shudder to think what that rotation and offense could look like. They’ll probably never have a great defense given the left side of their infield but cripes they’d be loaded.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Nov 10, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pettitte to retire or back to Houston on the cheap if they sign Lackey?
Actually, I think the Rangers may be his best option, as they need a steadying presence atop their rotation and it’s close enough to home to be something he might consider.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Lackey have to leave?
CC
Burnett
Lackey
Pettittle
Joba
Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy serve as a nice backup for when someone gets injured.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Pettitte have to leave?
/read as
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i second the question
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm I suppose that's true
I was thinking there was another SP in there somewhere, although I’m not sure where! For me, that’s not making very good use of Hughes – I think he could be Lackey/Pettitte-good after a year or so of MLB service time and he’s a bit wasted in the pen. Still, if they’ve got the $ to do it, why not?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wish the Yankees would trade Ian Kennedy to us
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we'd have kept Phil Hughes.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
!!!! I didn't know we ever had him. Damn.
I a big Phil Hughes fan.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 11, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting mixed up.
It was Kennedy we drafted. He went back to college I think, then the Yanks drafted him a couple of years later.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anybody who "made" money with Madoff
is being sued by the court appointed receiver for a return of all profits. The Wilpons and Trumps of the world always publicly downplay their losses. I wouldn’t bank on these sorts of comments.
by jjray on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what happened was they thought the money they gave to Madoff was safe
so with the money they had already gotten back they were doing well. That’s what I heard on radio yesterday.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I saw it in the NY papers,
like all of them. NY Times:
The Mets and their owners, the Wilpon family, may be in better financial shape than has been assumed. That is one conclusion being drawn from a filing released Friday by the United States Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan, which is sorting through accounts in Bernard Madoff’s company.
The report shows that Mets LP, one of the team’s financial arms, withdrew $570.5 million from two accounts it held with Madoff’s company, $47.8 million more than it put in. The accounts were part of a list of more than 30 in which more money was withdrawn than was deposited with Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities.
As a result, Mets LP and the others were deemed "net winners" ineligible for compensation and potentially liable to being sued by Irving H. Picard, the court-appointed liquidator who is trying to recover money lost in Madoff’s $65 billion Ponzi scheme. A spokesman for Picard declined to comment.
"I’m fine, my family’s fine, my business family’s fine," Wilpon said in August in a telephone interview. Wilpon would not say what he, his business, Sterling Equities, or his family had lost. But he said the estimates were wildly inaccurate and wildly high.
David Newman, the Mets’ senior vice president for marketing, said Wednesday, "As has been stated previously, this has no effect on the operations of the New York Mets."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for posting bgh
notice the article says “potentially liable to being sued by Irving H. Picard, the court-appointed liquidator”. Wilpon could be on the hook for $50m to the Madoff trustee (Picard). It add uncertainty to his financial position going forward. Here is another point. The article mentions just one Wilpon entity coming out ahead (Mets LP). More than likely that Wilpon had many other investment vehicles with money at Madoff. Here is an older article that is pretty emphatic that Wilpon and family lost big in the Madoff scandal.
http://www.silive.com/mets/index.ssf/2009/08/author_says_madoff_losses_will.html
by jjray on Nov 10, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me?
That you weren’t the one to get ripped off you have to pay others loses?
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 10, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you were one of the people who profited from the scheme
then you may have been in on it. It seems investigation worthy at least.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Nov 10, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Madoff's scheme literally entailed paying investors with other investors money to make it look like he was turning a profit when he was actually doing nothing.
If the trail is that simple, the suit will probably award the money back.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
And they aren’t making the Wilpons surrender anything other than the “returns” on their investment, from my understanding.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Angels can dump Mathews Jr.
then the Cards probably can’t compete.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 10, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The Angles did resign Abreu but at a reasonable $9 m per season; however, they also dumped Vlad. I don’t follow the Angels well enough to know what, if any, other needs they have but they had a 2009 payroll of $119 m. Abreu adds $4m (was making $5m last year). Vlad saves $15 m. That’s $11m net saved from last year. Not enough for Holliday. Matthews made $10.4m last year. He has 2 years left on his contract. Dump Matthews and that could get them to the $20m they need for Holliday (and price the Cards out of his market).
by jjray on Nov 10, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone going to pony up $20m for two years of Gary Matthews Jr?
I’d say no. They’d have to literally give him away and probably eat half his salary to get rid of him; either that or tack him onto another trade as a salary dump (i.e. you take Brandon Wood and Sarge Jr’s salary, and we’ll take a B-grade prospect in return).
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
figgins, lackey...
they have some sorting to do.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could end up needing most of that for Figgins anyway.
Dude is due a 6 raise.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that sucks
second tier of free agents = Mike Cameron.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts exactly
If he gets scooped up early. We could be left holding our ….. in our hands
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also wants to play CF according to MLBTR.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, fine, put colby in LF for a year or two
an OF of rasmus/cameron/ludwick will catch a lot of fly balls…
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 11, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that has more to do with...
the Mets situation than Holliday’s price tag… They’d have a lot of holes and not much money to fill them if they signed a big name free agent.
Another option would be Ludwick to the Mets for pitching… Possibly Maine, Perez (with money), Feliciano, Pelfrey etc…
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 10, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't the mets need pitching?
and they are not poor.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't poor...
but their owner is in the midst of a dispute with his stock broker, and they already have about $110 million committed with lots of holes.
Also, Maine and Feliciano are non-tender candidates – they might be let go for nothing – Perez is a millstone thanks to his attitude and contracts, and Pelfrey… well Pelfrey is probably more valuable than Ludwick, so that isn’t likely.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 10, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how the hell do they have 110m committed already?!
oh yeah. Scott Boras. I forgot.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really interested in any of their pitchers.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even Perez for free...
as a possible Duncan rehab project?
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 10, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be pretty low on my list, I think
Pelfrey seems more of a Duncan-type pitcher and I think he could be an effective #3.
I just think Ludwick’s worth more than any of them. They’d have to eat all of Perez’s salary for me to be vaguely interested in that swap, and I doubt that’ll happen.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he needs a lot more rehab than that
if Carp can luggage him into it… but that’s such a long shot. it smells of Wellemeyer the sequel.
Also, forget the headcase issue… knee surgery makes me nervous.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Pelfrey
in a heartbeat. He’s only 25 and a 113 ERA+ last season in 32 starts. I wouldn’t trade Ludwick for him though.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pelfrey > Ludwick
imo… Pelfrey projects as a 200 inning, 4 fip guy…. while corner outfielders of Ludwick’s ilk seem quite plentiful. Plus we’d save around $3-4 million per year in the short run, which would help buy a couple of corner outfielders.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Nov 10, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
Between Austin Kearns, Milton Bradley, Holliday, Cameron, Ankiel, Winn, Byrd, Craig, Jon Jay, DJ, and that guy from the Padres, we can probably fill Ludwick’s spot pretty cheaply.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Scales
FTMFW
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 10, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
hmm. some Johnny Damon.
I’m going to regret posting this picture….
TMZ
I’m also going to regret posting this quote, but TMZ is fussy on some browsers.
[fake blockquote] Wearing a button up shirt made from rejected casino carpet fabric, New York Yankee Johnny Damon hit up the Hard Rock in Las Vegas this weekend to celebrate his latest World Series win.
We’re told Damon and his wife ordered bottles of Jack Daniels and Patron while inside the casino’s club Wasted Space — and as a bonus, Damon’s former teammate Jason Giambi sent the happy looking couple a bottle of Dom Perignon.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Braun
must not have showed up until after the reporter, er, gossip left?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Deputy was there in spirit
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if i were given a choice of
doling out death to all involved with the operations of TMZ or preventing the reanimation of Hitler…well…I’m not saying I wouldn’t put the kibosh on Hitler, but it would be a tough decision
by mattyp on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I feel dirty
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
his wife
looks much different than i remember from a few years ago in the SI swimsuit edition.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1,000 nights out drinking bottles of Jack, Patron, and Dom will do that do a person.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she was most definitely asian before
maybe she just died her hair?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's the clothes.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a different wife.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 10, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but wouldn't it be funny
if it was the steve phillips chick, and she was now a celeb showing up at openings and such, a la monica – hope that’s not political.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's one wild and crazy guy
He’s in a casino, so he reminds me even more of my uncle Johnny in his youth.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should throw in the motorcycle in his contract
no Damon without his wheels
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's plenty of space to park it right outside the stadium, after all.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he has to ride it in, opening day
but at the end of the line, so as not to spook the horses
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he does all of this and has his at-bat music be a Sammy Hagar song,
he’ll end up with his jersey number retired.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...wait, how big is this motorcycle?
it could loom over Clark Street. changing the profile of the skyline…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed DanUp.
Very disappointed. I don’t know what else to say. If I were momup I would be giving you my “I’m not mad just disappointed” speech.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
his cute little puppy
ate the vote. do you hate cute little puppies?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said I wasn't mad.
I happen to love cute, little puppies. However my cute little puppies disappoint me often. Doesn’t mean I hate them.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus,
DanUp should really take better care of important things like a vote for Colby Rasmus.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mo hopes to meet with Boras and Holliday?
Hopes to? Wow. At any rate, it seems that Mo has already begun planning, as he should, for the eventuality of Holliday signing elsewhere. Straussie uses this to speculate that the Cards will sign a FA third baseman and/or pitchers to improve the club, rather than rely on unproven faberge eggs.
Mozeliak insisted the club is not willing to enter an open-ended negotiating process that might hamstring its efforts to compensate for Holliday’s possible defection. But Mozeliak added that he believes this year’s free agent market will offer alternatives well into next month, and perhaps beyond.
"I don’t necessarily see the front agent market as going away by [next month’s] winter meetings," Mozeliak said. "Is there one player who equals what Holliday brought to the club? Probably not. But there are different ways to go about fortifying your club."
Mozeliak abstained from discussing the potential availability of free agent left fielder Jason Bay, considered the market’s second-leading offensive player. However, he fixated more on countering Holliday’s absence via a combination of moves rather than "one fell swoop."
"That’s what I mean when I say ’sum of the parts." I don’t think there’s that one guy who can make that kind of impact," Mozeliak said.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the unicorn
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
America loves unicorns.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 10, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cage Match of the Day!
Adam Dunn vs. unicorns.
Let’s give Dunn a bat, just for fairness.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he whiffs alot
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dub thee..
Sir Whiffalot!
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with a sword?
am i a knight? or dunn? i need to know – phone calls and all.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have to miss his shoulders with the sword and accidentally swing it into his thumb or something?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
being a kinight's not a big deal to me
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's well known how much Adam Dunn hates unicorns
[File Photo – AP.
Adum Dunn, a major league baseball player for the Washington Nationals, comments on his distaste for unicorns and recent acquisition of a unicorn horn while plotting from his dark lair beneath the earth in an undated photo. Associated Press.]
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
epic cage match
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn wins.
Flawless victory.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn is Voldy-Poo?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you pull up manny's dreads,
you find adam dunn’s face on the back of his head.
true fact.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my.
This is more serious than I thought.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be one of the first to propose that Mozeliak pursue
a FA 3rd base option as I have little/no faith in David Freese to be a league average player. That said, Mo has been awfully clear about his intentions for 3rd. Holliday or no-Holliday, there doesn’t seem to be a significant offensive threat available for 3rd base outside of Figgins (who I think re-signs with the Angels). I just don’t trust Strauss’s speculations about the front office.
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by azruavatar on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
that makes no sense at all. We have NOBODY to play LF if Holliday walks, as he will, and we at least have someone the club is confident about giving a chance to at 3B.
If I were a betting man, I think I’d gamble on Johnny Damon being a Cardinal on opening day.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We could do worse that a Damon/Craig LF platoon
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by gocards62 on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he needs platooning
.346 OBP vs LHP.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon's defense worse than Craig's?
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by gocards62 on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His arm probably is.
(for Craig’s sake, I hope it is).
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR has him about average in LF overall, although he sucked in 09
to my eyes he’s always taken reasonable routes to the ball (not great for a CF, but not bad for a corner guy) and he’s still pretty athletic. LF isn’t exactly a taxing position to hide a noodle arm in either.
My guess would be there’ll be little difference between the two.
It’s possible Craig might slug lefties a bit better than Damon, most of Damon’s value is in his walkrate against southpaws, so he may be worth 1 or 2 starts a week, I guess. Also, it’s not implausible that if Colby continues to struggle vs LHP that we have to switch something around that’ll leave Damon starting vs lefties (although I hope for our sake that “plan B” doesn’t involve Damon playing CF….)
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damon CF
fuck that. sign cameron.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah he's the best option by far
but I don’t see us going that route. You mark my words, it’s gonna be Johnny Boy.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY?
answer, or that WHY is going bold.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Cameron wanting to play LF
that’s why
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just sign him to play CF then?
simple.
However, I just don’t think he’s a player on our radar. But seriously – Cameron in CF and Rasmus in LF (or RF) really doesn’t impact much on our defence. That shouldn’t really be a problem if we’ve sufficient lateral thinking in the organisation (hint = we don’t).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I just think it’s better to leave Rasmus in CF as the everyday starter and look for other options than to move him around just to have Cameron for one season.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Nov 10, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also the game plans other teams have against us
will also counsel “don’t hit it to left i.e. the crazy shortstop” — which will necessarily drop more balls towards center and right. (one of the reasons why I’m so against moving Luddy.)
unless it’s dusty-level incompetence, teams next year will adjust to Boog.
also, a guy who refuses to play a different position will not last too long in a La Russa clubhouse…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know that cameron has
or would ever say that. if we pay him the most, he’ll play wherever we want.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true enough
where did this come from, anyway? was this a Melvin thing?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone said he left the Mets in part because they signed Beltran
and he wasn’t keen on playing LF. Screw it – he’s as good as Rasmus in CF anyhow, just play him there and move Rasmus for one year.
If Colby is a halfway decent baseball player one measly year of playing a slightly different position shouldn’t do him any harm.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or put him in RF
and let Luddy bost his FA value with a year or two in LF.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Nov 11, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Colby's noodle arm plays RF as well as Ludwick's
I get the feeling that they’re similar positions in terms of range requirements, but you’re better off with the stronger arm (Luddy) in right.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how did Colby end up with a noodle arm?
I swear I thought he was a harder thrower.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hes got a cannon
just hasn’t got to show it off yet.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 12, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think other teams gameplans involve "trying" to hit the ball into specific areas to pick out weak defenders
everything I’ve ever heard about hitting would suggest that that’s not really possible. Pull hitters pull the ball, slap hitters slap the ball, and it depends where it’s pitched. I don’t really think Colby’ll have less to do in LF just because we have a decent SS.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't they take pitches that they normally wouldn't take?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
but I have a real hard time they “adjust” that based on the fact that a team has an above-average shortstop. Even considering his greater range, he still probably only cuts off maybe one more yard to either side than the average SS might.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
baseball is a game of inches
that’s like 72 inches!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 12, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TWHS
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do I.
And what a surprise that his speculations involve not using faberge eggs at third and in the rotation.
You don’t need to look at WAR to know that no other single player would have as great an impact on the club as Holliday. That’s why he is the best free agent on the market and why Scott Boras is going to hold out for as much money as possible. I was heartened that Mo is not going to wait all winter on Matt Holliday. I would hope his contingency plan involves Mike Cameron over Jason Bay. I know that you are a Beltre fan, and, for say a two-year deal, that would be intriguing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am increasingly keen on Beltre
he’s really not what “fits the bill” in that his OBP isn’t that great (and I feel we really need to concentrate more on that side of the game this year) and is a slightly hacky, good BA, low walkrate power hitter, but he’s looking like he might be a bit devalued, especially if any of the big players are looking at Figgins.
Also, except for the Phillies, who I see as his #1 most likely destination, there aren’t too many big market teams in desperate need of a 3B (the Mets, Giants, Yanks and BoSox all probably could use a LF, but they’re all more or less sorted at 3B).
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Beltre's defense,
which is very good.
I’m more open to Beltre than I was, but I’d probably be the happiest with a slimmer Troy Glaus on a one-year, low-base deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But no-one expects Beltre's defence!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You and your British spelling of things...
I don’t care how British you may or may not be… I will not stand for that nonsense…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 10, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*English* spelling of things...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will call it the British spelling if I like
I think that’s my right after my parents made the jackass move of spelling both my first and middle name that way.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Nov 10, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Duct and tape look right to me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means his name is British British Ducttape.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That explains alot actually.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm! baseball execs answer an interesting question
Which player is more difficult to trade — Cubs outfielder Milton Bradley, because of his reputation and other baggage, or Blue Jays outfielder Vernon Wells, because of his contract?
Responses: Wells 20, Bradley 0.
“That may be the worst contract in baseball history,” a National League official said. “Worse than Barry Zito.”
An American League assistant GM was only slightly less depressing in his analysis. “I believe that Vernon Wells’ contract makes him the most difficult player to trade in the entire major leagues,” the assistant said.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Bradley is even close, actually
you’ve got to guess that guys like Lee, Zito and Soriano would be harder to shift.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, damn, I should link it.
here
it was mostly which is the bigger albatross, contracts or baggage. not to be confused with luggage.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bradley had pulled that shit in St Louis
he might’ve been confusing baggage with luggage pretty quickly…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Ludwick had some confusion regarding luggage this year.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which resulted in Player of the Month
I guess I’m all for it…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Wells is just in a different league from Bradley
And as horrible as Soriano’s contract currently he’s clearly easier to trade than Wells. Just a disaster.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree about Garrett Jones
For him not to be more frequently represented on the ballot is a disgrace for an apparently “well-educated” set of baseball fans. Just because a guy isn’t a vaunted prospect (or plays for a big team) it doesn’t change what he did, and Jones was more valuable than Happ or Coghlan, and as valuable as Hanson, who garnered most of the first place votes. 21 HR!
Still, it’s funny that he did get ONE first place vote, which I can only imagine was from the Pirate’s blog, despite the fact that McCutcheon was more valuable.
I guess I’d go with McCutcheon, Jones and Hanson as my picks.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think I'll shill for Gregg Zaun to be the backup catcher
this year. If it’s little Pags, my brain may explode.
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by azruavatar on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anderson or LaRue please
if we’re not in the game on Holliday or Lackey, we won’t be pushed so hard to scrape together cash for a backup anyhow – I guess we can afford to drop another mill on pornstache, to save us the weakly embarassment of watching Pags Lite barely hitting the ball out of the batters’ box.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And play below average defense.
Honestly, I don’t know how is still under contract.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(pun intended).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just resign larue
what’s the big deal.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg Zaun is actually a very good backup option.
But literally every game he starts will get tons of Z-game jokes in the game thread.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's probably the best catcher on the open market, though
surely someone needs a catcher, at least as a platoon. He’s good enough to be starting somewhere, and he’ll be an expensive (i.e. $2m) backup guy. Might be worth it though.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news
why have the BoSox inked Wakefield to a TWO year deal? I thought they had that rolling one-year thing going where they could just re-up him for $4.5m whenever they wanted – could this be a rare instance of an MLB team actually showing an emotional attachment & some reward for loyalty in one of its players? Not a great business move, but kinda heartening all the same….
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No
they knocked his guaranteed money done. They stuck it to him in case of injury. Purely a business move. . .
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by azruavatar on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be pissed if i were him.
I sign the most club-friendly contract around and the club tries to renegotiate me down to a reliever’s salary? I’d retire in protest. That’s just a shabby way to treat wakefield.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely would have given them the middle finger and walked out
They’ve had him on the cheap for years and now, when his salary approaches his actual worth, they want to increase their margin. I’m amazed he re-signed.
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by azruavatar on Nov 10, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was secretly hoping we'd get him
it’d be fun to watch yadi catch a knuckleballer.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Nov 10, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
how many millions do you need? Might be a different way of life and I might feel different if I’d grown up as a talented athlete, but right now I feel like I really wouldn’t care about the money. The difference between a $4m salary and a $10m one really wouldn’t change my life at all; I’d rather take less money to let the club spend it on other players and be more likely to win.
Maybe he’s different in that way.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In economics this is just marginal utility, right?
If I’m eating pizza, the enjoyment of each additional piece is gonna keep going down until I get no benefit from eating more, since I’m full. I don’t see why it’s unreasonable for people with very high income to treat money this way too. A player would just have weigh the benefit of staying with his preferred team versus the benefit of additional money. If he decides the former outweighs the latter he takes a discount.
I don’t really have a problem with players doing this. It really helps your own club since it frees up resources. It is annoying when it happens in a competitor but that’s life.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
being a Cards fan, if someone paid me $5m/yr to play for the Cards, or $15m/yr to play for the Yankees, I’d want to play for the Cards. Realistically, I have no intention to buy any big businesses, and with the $5m/yr I can buy everything I’d ever need or want after a year or two.
The only reason I guess I’d take the extra $ is to give it away to a charity of my choosing, as I guess that’s more “valuable” to me than having it sitting in Steinbrenner’s bank account.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i didn't see this when ballots went out
very pleased with the results, or at least the winner
my ballot would have like like this (top 5 at least)
1. hanson
2. mccutchen
3. wells
4. anderson
5. happ
happ’s era is way too misleading. hanson and mccutchen will both be stars
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Nov 10, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You have made my list.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in case anyone thinks VEB is dead
actually a new meme has taken hold: commenting in old posts.
or maybe that’s just the cool kids.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was doing this before it became cool!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how can you be a trendsetter *and* a meme killer?
also, I appealed to you for backup in tom s.’s post. it continues, slowwwwly.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which post?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously spent like, 5 minutes trying to figure out what you meant there.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops, sorry
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How old is old?
3-4 days? Sometimes I don’t read a post for that long but feel a desperate need to comment on it.
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by andi_k on Nov 10, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Kodos
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Nov 10, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kodos sucks, i always vote for Kit Kat's. they are, as the kids say, da bomb diggity
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Nov 10, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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