Type-B personalities
by DanUpBaby on Nov 10, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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PrintYour Type A and B free agents for the 2009-2010 Hot Stove season:
TYPE A
Matt Holliday: This seems pretty obvious. Bad news: the Mets, Holliday's current Media Suitor of choice, have a protected first rounder in 2010, leaving the Cardinals stuck with a second rounder should he end up bolting for Queens. I hate to root for the Red Sox, ever, for anything, but they do have the 29th pick...
TYPE B
Mark DeRosa: This also seems pretty obvious. I don't want the Cardinals to resign DeRosa, because his versatility is of questionable value for this team at this point in time, but I don't doubt that somebody will.
Joel Pineiro: Do it. Are the Brewers looking for another starter?
Troy Glaus: This is maybe the oddest case. Troy Glaus made $11.25 million last year, which works out to something like the league minimum per plate appearance, and while last season's salary is not inextricably linked to next year's, as it is for arbitration cases who aren't yet free agents, it's tough to imagine the Cardinals winning the case by offering less than, say, $7 million. That's still a lot of money per plate appearance.
But if the Cardinals aren't interested in going into the season with David Freese as the sole option there's no reason not to offer Glaus arbitration. Healthy, Glaus is as good a player as Adrian Beltre or [type A free agent] Chone Figgins, and he's the only one who would, if he accepted arbitration, be a one year commitment. If he's unhealthy, the Cardinals already have David Freese.
That seems like a low-risk shot at a draft pick, but last year the Cardinals didn't offer Braden Looper, another fair bet, arbitration, so it remains to be seen whether the Mozeliak Cardinals are avoiding the procedure as a general rule. After the jump: yet another outfield option emerges.
Not enough tires yet kicked? Ready to seek out the poor man's Mike Cameron? Randy Winn, the only sitting all-star to ever be traded for a manager, is officially out of a job in San Francisco. I'll be honest: I don't think I could get on board for this. But I can see a case made. Here's what it requires:
- Complete faith in UZR. Do you believe it's possible for a 35 year-old career CF/RF tweener to be a defensive juggernaut in the corners? After a long career as a basically average tweener, Winn's spent the last two years almost entirely in left and right and put up 30 (Fielding Bible) or 34 (UZR) runs above the average corner outfielder, who admittedly is often a first baseman, a baseball hater, a crawling man with a glove painted on his back, or all three at once. If he'd been doing this his whole life, or if he had once been Colby Rasmus or Mike Cameron in center, I might accept this at face value, but as best we can tell Winn was once a marginally above-average center fielder, and that was several years ago.
- More optimism than even the (still misleadingly named) Bill James projections, which have, in the past, seemed to regress all hitters in the general direction of year-2000 Coors Field. Freely available, now, at Fangraphs, these projections expect Winn to get an entire win back from his miserable 2009 season, which at .276/.337/.389 would still make him three runs worse than an average hitter. At his best—2008's .306/.363/.426 will do—he's Skip Schumaker with some extra power, which makes him an average corner outfielder before his apparently otherworldly defense is accounted for.
- Most importantly, the intestinal fortitude to accept another minor disaster in left field. Winn is a good bounceback candidate, but so is Rick Ankiel, so was Chris Duncan; are the Cardinals, with Carpenter, Wainwright, and Pujols currently in their primes, ready to take another high-downside risk at perhaps their easiest-to-upgrade spot on the roster. Winn'll be cheaper than most outfielders who put up a four win season last year, but he's also got a better chance to be a one win player than most of them.
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Zero percent chance they offer Glaus arbitration
He would accept it and they’d be stuck paying huge $$$ to him when there are bigger needs to fill.
I think the other 3 should and will get arbitration offer though…
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"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I hope people will start using pic of Ozzie in place of the stupid "fist" thing
…or just cut the whole thing out altogether… either way…
by salukihoops on Nov 10, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's a meme I could get behind.
I apologize in advance for killing this meme.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
art thou mattybobo, meme-killer, scourge of Asia Minor?
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
What is best in life?
To crush the memes, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the commenters!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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yea, and the memes were unclean and foul things in my eyes
so smite I the memes in their lowness.
for in my right hand is the mighty “flag”
and in my left, the deadly “-1”
and the memes did suffer and submit
to their awesome power in fearful trembling.
and throughout the vast expanses of SBNation,
nary a “fist” nor a “that’s what she said” be heard,
for such is the power of my scorn.
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by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 20 recs
So shall it be said,
so shall it be rec’d.
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 10, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I’d like to see them re-sign Glaus sooner rather than later to a low-base deal with incentives for PAs, HRs, OBP, and UZR. A healthy Glaus immediately beefs up the lineup and infield defense. A low enough base makes it an acceptable gamble. All we need is to get his allergies treated.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree
I would love if they snap him up with a cheap incentive-based gamble deal (with apologies to David Freese). Imagine what a shot in the arm a 2008-esque Troy Glaus would give the team, especially after the Great Hot Corner Disaster of 2009. And we’d only be paying him for that kind of production if he actually provides it.
Anyway, what are the actual odds of this happening, especially since MO has endorsed Freese as the number one candidate going into spring training? I have to think they’re low.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Further consideration
If he stays healthy and produces, he almost certainly will not accept arbitration after the 2010 season, allowing him to net us compensation as a Type B free agent.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I gotta go with you on the incentives based deal.
Personally, outside of the megastars, I think that most of these contracts oughta be that way. I have no problem paying big money to somebody when they have performed at that level. How many times have you seen players do fantastic in a contract year, get their money and then go into hibernation. Maybe not all-out suck, but definitely not play the way before they got their money. And in an injury case as Glaus is, he had better deliver or he won’t get paid.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Further, Glaus knows what kind of position he's in with injuries and everything
So he might accept a deal
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
then he'll slam his hat
ceremonially
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
God I love the F bombs....
they’re worth $2m of the contract alone.
Perhaps we can give him incentives based on number of nationally televised expletives?
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
Now that is an incentive package I think we can all get behind
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
There was talk of 1/5m to the Orioles earlier
so I’m pretty sure if we offered something like that with the opportunity to raise it to, say, 8-10m with appropriate PAs that it’d be a good deal for both sides.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
talk from a random comment
I dunno know what VEP was smoking that day
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
we have little to trade in minors so
sign glaus as you say and flip him in july if it seems warranted
better risk tha kbot
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
You can only have incentives
for PAs or games played for position players. You can’t have seasonal incentives for hitting certain counting stats or metric stats, nor should you.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
What about "bonuses"?
Players can get bonuses for making the All-Star team or winning awards, right? I’m guessing that’s too shady to work.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
They're usually tiny though
and it’s kinda funny when people like Jeff Weaver get given a £50,000 bonus in their contract for winning the Cy Young award. I assume that’s not an eventuality you really have to budget for.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
Good point.
That kind of thing seems more psychological than anything else. Is the player even going to notice that he’s 50K richer when he’s already making millions?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
his wife might say "finally! we can build the new addition"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Or finally get that Volvo, or whatever
I guess it would matter a little.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the good graces of one's spouse are priceless
though “hey, honey, I got us another big screen tv for being the best player this month” might get old after a while.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
for a cat.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Was the bonus really $100K?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
gold?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
It was kind of a joke.
I don’t think any team would actually give him a incentive for HRs (because they can’t) or OBP (because walks clog the bases) or UZR (becasue they use Fielding %).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I am pretty certain the CBA doesn't allow incentives based on performance
so HRs, OBP and UZR would be out. The best we could do is offer something like $4m basic rising to $8m if he makes >500 PAs or something; that’s the sort of offer I wouldn’t mind tabled to him, and hopefully to Smoltz too. The grab Cameron and Calero and we’re good to go.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:29 AM EST up reply actions
The only problem
is if he is ineffective and still gets lots of PAs. But if he’s worse than Freese would be there’s a decent chance he’d be unhealthy still and could be DLed.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
or just benched
I think if he’s healthy he’ll be average, at least. He’s never had a season when he’s been outright bad with the bat (I realise the shoulder injury made him look pretty sucky, but obviously he has to pass a physical before anything happens).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Right
I’m kinda starting to hope we sign Glaus again. Is that irresponsible of me?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
another advantage of Glaus
if we pick him up cheap (say, 1/5m) and he puts up something resembling an average season (or even a bit short of that), he’ll be a type B again next year, and (given his lower salary) we can presumably offer arby without the risk of him eating up a big chunk of payroll, and pick up another draft pick. At least, that’s in an ideal world…
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think there is a single team in baseball that would offer Glaus arbitration
by salukihoops on Nov 10, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think there is.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
that'd be awful nervy of them
and i suppose we’d be on the hook when he accepted?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Non-guaranteed contracts
Aren’t arbitration contracts non-guaranteed? The Cards should offer Glaus arbritation. If he turns it down, free picks. If he accepts and is healthy, they have a good option at 3B for a reasonable, 1 year deal. If he isn’t healthy in spring training, cut him for 45 days of pay.
http://baseball.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_baseball_arbitration_works
The "reasonable" salary is based on last year's salary, right?
I think that might be too high of a dollar amount to gamble on his health.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think it's not, actually
The club’s salary offer to a player under its control may not be less than 80% of the player’s total compensation from the prior year, and may not be less than 70% of his compensation from 2 years earlier. These rules, however, do not apply to free agents who are offered arbitration.
Not sure how authoritative this site is, but that’s how I’d always heard it explained.
Thank you
I was confusing the two types of arbitration.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not if the link is correct
That link (if correct) states that Arbitration for free agents must be offered prior to Dec 1, the player has until Dec 7 to accept. It also states that the salary rule (80% of previous year) doesn’t apply to free agents who were offered arbitration. Later it also says these contracts are not guarenteed and if the player is cut during spring training you only pay 30 or 45 days worth of that salary.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
My mistake
I was mistaken. I thought that arbitration was always based on 80% of the previous year. But, that isn’t the case for free agents.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
cot's contracts (transactions glossary) agrees
with the previously posted info.
from cot’s………arbitration procedure
The panel, without opinion, awards the player a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at one salary or the other. If the player is cut before the 16th day before the season begins (March 14, 2007), he is entitled only to 30 days’ termination pay. If the player is cut during spring training but after the 16th day before the season begins (between March 15 and March 31, 2007), he is entitled only to 45 days’ termination pay.
by ball in play on Nov 11, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I just think there's no upside to offering Glaus -
he’ll accept, 100% of the time. Does he really think he’s seeing a multi-year deal? We’d be better off just offering him 1 year, $5m straight up, than going to arby and having him be pretty much 100% certain of taking a (likely) $8m-odd deal.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 5:40 AM EST up reply actions
the only thing i can see
is if mo thought he would turn down arb because, with the spectre of being cut, the money is not guaranteed. but that’s a stretch, and if it ever happened nobody wins anyhow.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I have trouble believing the UZR of Randy Winn
How does a below average CFer turn into a plus 10 to 20 RFer? It is curious question though. If Cameron is a plus 10 CFer. How does that translate to a LFer? Will he be a +10 LFer or a +30? When you factor in the change of positions and replacement value does he go from a 4 win player to only a 2 win player?
There's a lot of reasons that could happen
Look at Rick Ankiel’s UZR difference from LF to CF. While it has more noise in it, it shows a similar type of bump. Look at Skip’s UZR in LF a couple of years ago vs. his UZR in CF. Perhaps Winn moves better in one direction and can shade one way better as a corner outfielder than he can in CF, where all the balls he’s fielding are evenly spread to either side of him.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I believe that
the positional adjustments used to calculate WAR are baselined to account for the position switch, so theoretically Cameron would be a +20 LFer (the +10 from CF + 10 for the diff in positional adjustments).
Ironically, that contradicts what I wrote on my own site when I cautioned the quoting of Cameron’s 4 WAR numbers. I guess I’m not completely convinced that he’ll be able to make up the total difference (i.e. be a +20 LFer)
by stevesommer05 on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
in theory, yeah, cameron should be +20 in LF
not that he’ll field MORE balls in LF, just that the baseline is “the average LFer” so he’ll be up against the likes of Adam Dunn and Jason Bay, rather than Carlos Beltran and Colby Rasmus.
In reality, there’s so much variability and noise in year-to-year UZR that I think “guaranteeing” that would be a mistake – at most, I think we could hope that he overcomes the positional adjustment (10 runs) of moving to LF.
Really, however, if the guy wants to play CF, what’s to stop us playing him there? Rasmus is not SO good that a guy like Cameron represents a real downgrade, in fact, based on the ever-unreliable eye test, I’m not sure Colby’s UZR wasn’t a bit of an anomaly last year – I can see him being an above-average CF, but not a mind-blowingly good one. He doesn’t lay out for catchable balls, he makes OCCASIONAL bad errors (of course, most everyone does that), and he has a pretty poor arm from what I can tell. I don’t see we’d lose much, if any, defensive quality by moving Rasmus to LF (where he’d be awesome) and letting Cameron play CF (where he wants to be, and where he’s still comfortably above average). If this helps sweeten the deal for Cameron, I’m all for it.
As for Winn, well, “meh” is about all I can come up with. The only reason for signing him would be to go big on the rotation (i.e. Lackey) or if we went after Beltre, and neither of those options enthuse me that much (I don’t mind Beltre), and I think there are better cheap OF options out there. I’d probably rather have Reed Johnson or Matt Murton or someone like that.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:39 AM EST up reply actions
If you're considering Winn...
Why wouldn’t you just sign Austin Kearns, who’s younger, will probably be cheaper, is as good or better in the outfield, and is a better hitter against RHP?
Kearns Career: .256/.353/.427; wOBA .329; UZR LF/RF: +10
Winn Career: .286/.344/.418; wOBA .321; UZR LF/RF: +12
Kearns Career LHP Split: .262/.389/.420/.809
Winn Career LHP Split: .280/.332/.426/.758
Kearns will be 30 in May of next season. Winn will be 36 in June of next year.
Just for fun, the top comp for Austin Kearns at age 29 is none other than Paul O’Neill, who was a very average player (OPS+ 111, Kearns OPS+ 104), then signed with the Yankees and had a great career resurrection in his 30’s as the Yankees RF. If we’re not signing Holliday, I’d like to see us go after Kearns as cheap 4th outfielder and maybe look to platoon him with a LH bat. If he shows up and starts hitting, he’s our starting RF or LF, moving Ludwick to whichever corner Kearns isn’t playing, and Craig becomes our 4th outfielder/Speezer type.
I see no reason to sign Winn when Kearns is available, younger, and most likely cheaper.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I guess Kearns has a lower floor than Winn?
I don’t know if that’s really valid though given how much older Winn is, and how that makes him a candidate to drop off a cliff soon. But Winn has never been as bad as Kearns has been the last couple of years. I imagine Kearns has a higher potential too.
Is there a consensus explanation for Kearns’ last two years? Flukey injuries or something? I know he had a thumb thing or a hit-by-pitch thing in there somewhere.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Floor
At Winn’s age, and the dropoff in offensive production last season, I’d say that their floors are likely similar.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's what I was wondering
Anyway, I think fourstick is probably right that if we’re considering Winn, Kearns makes more sense.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
What I meant was
The floor thing wasn’t necessarily my opinion, it was just me playing devil’s advocate.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think this is a good idea if Kearns accepts a ST invite or signs for 2-3x league minimum.
Since he can still probably platoon and play decent defense, he could also be paired with JJ or DJ if either of them is ready. In any case he could easily be a cheaper Ankiel who Tony wouldn’t be so dead set on seeing in CF every few days.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Kearns as an option.
Certainly before Winn, though I’d sooner have DeRosa back as a LF than Winn.
If we can’t get Holliday, Kearns might be our next FA bet. Bay will want Holliday money for less value, and rumor is Cameron wants to play CF…
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
At $7M more per season
and with a commitment of 2-3 seasons?
I would not want this actually. If we’re not signing Holliday, I’d rather stay on the short and cheap side to leave open the prospect of going after Carl Crawford or somebody similar during the spring, summer, or postseason next year.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
In 2-3 seasons...
..Winn and Kearns will be out of baseball; at least D-Rose will moost likely still playing decent ball, maybe. 2 Seasons wouldn’t be bad; I dunno about 3. But I think he’d produce moore than either of them either way. What abotu Xavier Nady?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
But we would never sign either Winn or Kearns to a three-year deal.
And I think it’s much more likely that DeRosa will not be playing decent ball, given his age and recent injury. If it’s between DeRosa for three years or Kearns for one year, I’d pick Kearns for one year.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Care to make an interweb wager on that?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by then SBN will only be accessible by Xbox
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Which will be available as an App on our iPhones
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
And Arnold Schwarzennager will be president.
And Dennis Leary will be Che.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
And Baghdad will host the Olympic Games
The WINTER Olympic Games.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
actually the good skiing is in the Kurdistan region
if you can avoid the mines
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the Extreme
X-Games. Have to admit, i’d watch.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I assumed one year.
Sorry, I forgot that might not be as automatic for some people. But yea, like as a 1 year deal or an arbitration acceptance — those are the only ways he can play on the team.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
The main issue with Kearns
is he’s had two straight appalling years. I’m all for him as a cheap platoon option but, like you say, I’d only want him as a 4th OF. I really liked your idea of a platoon with Cust until I saw Cust’s LF UZR. Ideally, you’d need to find a LHB for corner OF who is a really good hitter and at least a playable defender. I just don’t know if I could cope with watching Cust out there for 120 games this year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions
I would be ok with Cust in LF
as long as we have a defensive replacement for him that can take over out there in the late innings. Reed Johnson or Austin Kearns would both be good players for that.
Kearns has been banged up for most of the last two years and has never played on a competitive team his whole career — kinda like Paul O’Neill at age 29. I think a change of scenery could do him some good, and he’s not going to cost a lot of money so why not?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Yeah
he could also be had real cheap. Personally I’d like to get a “good” LF, and I’m happy with Craig as the RH platoon option if it comes to that, but I can definitely see the argument for Kearns (he could probably play a bit of CF against tough lefties, too). If Cameron, Bay and Holliday all go elsewhere, I could just about take the Cust option I guess. My concern is he’ll want (and probably deserves) multiple years and I’d only want to pay for 1. I guess I’d prefer Damon IF he’s not offered arby.
If the worst comes to the worst, and we can’t get any of these guys for various reasons, I’d be happy to go with the youngsters, maybe sign Branyan as a backup/plan-B for the corners, maybe pick up someone like Kearns or Murton on the cheap, and turn the rest of the money into Smoltz, two years of Rich Harden (mmmmm!) and perhaps a couple of bullpen arms. Maybe Glaus too, if he’s dirt cheap.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
You really think Kearns is getting a multi-year deal
after his previous two seasons? He’ll take whatever he can get at this point. The only teams I can see offering him a multi year deal would be the Giants (they love to pay big bucks for crappy hitting outfielders), Mariners, and A’s — the last two because they’re trying to put together defensive all-star teams and he’s one of the best RF in the game.
I think if you offered him a 1Y$2M deal with a 2nd year team option of $3.5M with a $500,000 buyout he’d sign here tomorrow.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Re-read
I was talking about Cust. He should get a multi-year deal at a decent salary, because he’s a pretty decent DH.
I agree that Kearns would sign a deal for 1 yr, 2m or whatever, but that’s because he’s not very good. I think I probably prefer cheap Murton to cheap Kearns (although it’s close), and I definitely prefer Branyan to Cust as I think he’ll be cheaper and his glvoe won’t kill you.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
I love this time of year
So, if you frequent mlbtraderumors.com like I do (who’s kidding, you know you do) you saw yesterday that pretty much every big market team is interest in Holliday. Now, today they have posts up from Yankee and Met views that make it seem like neither of them will be interested in Holliday.
So, who does Boras pit Mo up against in negotiations? Yesterday it looked like there would be a line of suitors around the block for Holliday’s services. Today, it looks like everyone, Cards included aren’t going to be playing the Borass game re: Holliday.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
what was the rumor that said Holliday didn't want to play in New York?
maybe Boras pulled the hive of bees gambit too early, wherein he tricks you into saying his name three times.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
FIVE times. ruined my comment
damn you Boras.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Good news.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
But I like Mark DeRosa.
I have to stop getting attached to players. It’s problematic.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Categorize them from the start
It helps me to not get attached. You have “stop-gaps” (Grudz, Izturis, Wells), “rentals” (DeRosa, Holliday), “mid-majors” (Encarnacion, Sanders, Renteria) and “cornerstones” (Wainwright, Carp, Yadi, Izzy, Edmonds, Rolen, Pujols). For example, I only buy the apparel of “cornerstones” and even then only if there are 3 or more years on their contract (Pujols excepted).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That doesn't work for me.
Too many emotions. And I started the season liking DeRosa and then he was traded to my other favorite team so it was very hard for me not to get attached to him.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Helpful?
Does it help to think of his horrible production at the plate as a Cardinal, or, his poor defense at third, or, the fact that we traded Perez and Todd for him (even if that isn’t his fault)?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
she's young
she’ll find ways to deal with her pain.
we can only hope it won’t be bad fanfic.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
A fanfic about Mark DeRosa?
What on earth would I say in that?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
well he was rocking in a corner at the end of the season, shellshocked
that it happened again.
usually those beg for “fix the ending” fics. starring you.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
“MARK DEROSA turned then, with a mocking smile, and I stifled a gasp. MARK DEROSA’s white shirt was sleeveless, and MARK DEROSA wore it unbuttoned, so that the skin of his throat flowed uninterrupted over the marble contours of MARK DEROSA’s chest, MARK DEROSA’s perfect musculature no longer merely hinted at behind concealing clothes. MARK DEROSA was too perfect, I realized with a piercing stab of despair. There was no way this godlike creature, MARK DEROSA, could be meant for me."
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
High five.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Or people who have spent way too much time around eachother.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Now that's just cliche!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
gah! beaten to the punch!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I don't really find him attractive.
I just think he’s hilarious. Maybe the Indians will sign him again. I don’t know where he’d play but you know, it could work.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I'm hoping he gets a 3/28 deal from the cubs.
Then we get to see a lot of him but we don’t have to pay the price.
It’s like when you have sex with your friend’s girlfriend.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I don't want him on the Cubs.
Too much happiness in Chicago is bad for those poor fans. Gets their hopes up and stuff.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
two words:
tendon sheath.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Go on.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
And there are never any bad consequences.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
One can only hope!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no wait, how about this:
There was no way this godlike creature, MARK DEROSA, could be meant for THE CARDINALS.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Colby is a rugged Southern werewolf that makes her question her devotion to Of The Rose
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
he is the only one who hasn't touched a razor to his head....
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Werewolf?
It took the dude four months to grow an extremely weak mustache. It seems unlikely that he’d be able to grow an entire full-body coat in under a minute.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
but it threw you off, didn't it?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Uh...
It’s a cover.
Lots of werewolves have trouble growing hair in their early 20’s.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Or maybe, just maybe
Colby is neither vampire nor werewolf. He’s actually a lich, which is much more powerful and terrifying.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
but then, what is Matthew Leach?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
what about D Goold!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Obviously not a golfer.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 10, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This whole thread should be put in a time capsule
So that future generations can better understand the “VEB Phenomenon” that almost destroyed human civilization in 2010.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the 2010 projections for VEB are out already?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
3% survival rate
pretty pessimistic.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
but the punchline is we just wanted to let a bunch of animals out of the zoo, and it was really
bleed cubbie blue the whole time?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Army of the Twelve Bloggers?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is that like our lineup dodecahedron?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Except the BCB guy isn't on the dodecahedron
But we clearly see him getting on the plane with a briefcase full of vials and spants is standing in line behind him.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Viva Doce Birdos?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ooh, get outta my chair!
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Awesome.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
a lot of the pre-2000 movies are weird to watch now
my friends and I were 1. talking about the oddness of Cold War nostalgia, 2. some of the apocalyptic stuff done for dramatic effect isn’t so ironic/funny now.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Good points
Terrorists in movies were usually whacko environmentalists or former Soviet Union types, or what have you. Nowadays… not so much.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I have an autographed photo of Tom Lawless that I plan to scan and post soon
Kind of a fun story behind it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I've never seen it either...
but I have seen Steel Dawn, also with Swayze, that nobody else seems to have heard of but me.
Also, that was kind of a non-sequitur wasn’t it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
How old are you guys?
Watching Red Dawn taught me to hate Commies.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Nov 10, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
It taught me how to love a man...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It taught me
That if commies start shooting at you that the best thing to do is pee in your radiator.
WOLVERINES!!!
I'd hope SD for one reason only...
…if/when he gets injured, I could hope for a small rehab stint in Fort Wayne!
…or not. Low-A ball sucks.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I don't know that I have ever known anybody else
to even mention that movie. I remember seeing it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I just thought it was a very VEB-esque thread
but tom s. cleverly turned it into a 12 Monkeys subthread.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
ah that explains it, i've never seen 12 Monkey's either
no wonder i’m lost as lost can be
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
go rent it, dude. good sick time movie.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
That's like asking
I’d like to read Bob Gibson’s new book, I wonder if Amazon has it?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
us senior citizens aren't to keen on new thingamabobs
we know it makes us look foolish to the kids, but damnit all to hell if we don’t care.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Also...
Get off my lawn.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
LOL.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I totally didn't intend to reference it originally
But I have seen it (a long time ago) and was more than happy to run with it after tom s. did.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
mark stared out over lake dewitt, his perfect musculature strained with quiet sadness
“I can’t take you where I’m going, ClemsonGirl. And I can’t have you following me.” Suddenly ClemsonGirl realized, with a piercing stab of despair piercing her heart like a knife used for piercing, that he was too versatile. There was no way this godlike creature could be meant for her.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I'm laughing so hard I'm crying.
I may forgive for not voting for Colby. Maybe.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Thanks for the clarification
I read that first part of the sentence and I was all like, “What, a piercing stab? I wonder if it was really a piercing stab or really more of a glancing stab or a pokey stab.” But then you clarified nicely. Excellently written.
Trading people to the Indians usually doesn't upset me as much as it does others.
None of those help. Sorry. I’ll live.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Fair enough
And, for what it’s worth, I do like DeRosa. His Crash Davis interview skills are the best I’ve ever read.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've kinda gone off DeRo a bit, actually
I loved the fact we traded for him and I sorta wanted him back next year but then Smoltz has totally replaced him in my affections.
We’re going out to dinner and golf next wednesday. I think it’s love.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
Are there other Boras clients
besides Holliday and Ankiel who are FAs?
I ask, because Strauss tweets that Boras is “in the house,” and predicts that the Cardinals will sign a Boras client…other than Holliday.
Can’t be Ankiel…can it?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
kaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhnnnnn
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Strauss, huh?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, take it with a grain of salt.
Sorry I don’t know how to insert unicorn pictures.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
click the picture of the tree
and put any online graphics filename in it.
well, not any. some people read this at work.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ahhh. Okay let me start over.
Today, Strauss tweeted something that made me worry that the Cardinals might be resigning RicK AnKiel.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 10, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we may need to have drunk unicorns next
because that “news” is only barely mitigated.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Believe it or not
Someone has actually already thought of this. And it DOES make me feel better. We should all become fans.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I'm firmly in the Bacon Pegacorn Camp.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
Don't Forget Charlie...
http://www.filmcow.com/charlietheunicorn.html
;=8)
“Candeeeee Mountain, Charlieeee…”
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
how about a unicow?
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 10, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I like cows and I like unicorns.
But that is about the ugliest thing I have seen lately.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Like bacon and chocolate.
Delicious separately; nasty together.
by peach concrete on Nov 10, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...I don't know. I think chocolate-covered bacon might be pretty good.
It would have to be extra-crispy, close-to-crumbly bacon, though.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Chocolate covered salty things can be awesome
I’m starting to get curious about bacon and chocolate…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
then mattybobo you've come to the right place
what do you want to know?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Are we going in a South Park direction here?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
naw, i know more about bacon & chocolate
than i do about almost anything else
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
1. Try Bacon Crunch Bar
2. ?
3. Vomit!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
It was on a TV show called "Best Thing I Ever Ate"
Where top chefs pick their favorite foods and talk about them. The entire bacon episode was full of win.
Free Milton
I bought a bacon chocolate bar, just for the novelty of it
Can’t bring myself to actually eat it.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
The Cards resigning Ank?
Should’ve seen it coming, especially since the Cards got TLR back.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
This comment speaks much by saying little.
A rec is you!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Boras FA Clients
Ivan Rodriguez
Varitek
Alex Cora
Felipe Lopez
Beltre
Crede
G Anderson
J Damon
Ankiel
Andruw Jones
Xavier Nady
Rodrigo Lopez
J Washburn
E Gagne
R Villone
I think that is all of tem
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 10, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
gagne on a minor league contract FTW!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I could definitely go with that
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:03 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe that he is able to represent players in direct competition with each other
Surely is a violation of his ethical duty
Free Milton
No doubt most of the major agencies operate the same way
And not just in sports. The question then is would these athletes/talents be better served by a small firm with just a few clients? It’s essentially notoriety/relationship/experience vs. lower fees/unconflicted interest.
Free Milton
Seriously though,
Is there an argument for why he/agents are allowed to operate in this manner other than “everyone does it” or “players know these risks when they hire him/them”? Neither is very convincing.
Free Milton
as a member of team rocket scott boras's duty, above all else, is to violate ethical duty
it’s actually in his contract, which athletes would know if they had someone other than their agent look it over.
Article 2 section [A] paragraph THREE
“… to denounce the evils of truth and love”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
To extend our reach to the stars above!
Boras! Rosenhaus!
Team Rocket blast off at the speed of light!
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting that Beltre, Nady, and Damon are all there
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Which I didn't realize. Although these days it feels like half of all baseball players are Boras clients.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Not to pick on you, mattybobo,
but why have we decided that Xavier Nady is an acceptable LFer? His career OPS is .792. His career wOBA is .342. In ‘08, he had a career year, but he has since undergone season-ending surgery, and aged 2 years. He is now 31 years old. He is not a good defender at all. He’s basically Mike Cameron, minus the defense and walks. If he could be had for a short and cheap contract, he might be acceptable, I guess, but I really hope that we exhaust several other avenues before entertaining the notion of signing XN.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Totally agree
I’m not very high on Nady, but I was deferring to people who are because maybe they know something I don’t. He’d have to be a backup-backup or something. I’d take Cameron or Damon over him in less than a heartbeat.
But he is kind of handsome. Maybe I’d wait a full heart beat, and imagine the pulsing yet quiet strength within his chest, as he fixed me with that piercing stare of stabbiness, and made me realize that such a perfectly mediocre LF could never be meant for me.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 10, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I mean, "backup-plan to a backup-plan", rather.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
No, no, I think you've got something there
Don’t be throwing away your creations so casually, either. You made it, you keep it, you cherish it.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Well, I don't mind a Thurston or a Pagnozzi as a backup-backup
But Nady would be waaay to expensive.
Thank you for your encouragement. It’ll be on your head when I inevitably say something stupid which tarnishes the good name of this blog.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
too late.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, you're on the list now
Don’t think I can’t find you. Google Maps Street View man, I’ma find our where you live.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Find "out" where you live.
Right after I get over my massive fail.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
TWSS.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Foster's Home For Imaginary Words
I just don’t think that anyone has established a shelter for discarded made-up terms.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
they call it the glossary
I guess I’m Coco.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yeah
Nady is pretty much the one corner outfielder I have absolutely no interest in signing. I’d be surprised if he touches league average and takes more than 400 PAs this year…
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions
I thought that,
but it doesn’t make sense after the semi-commitment to Freese.
This early, I’d guess… Rodrigo Lopez…?
But really, I’m guessing Strauss=wrong because none of these make sense.
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by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
surprise!pudge
my longshot
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
2 week exclusive period?
has to be an in house FA, no?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Nandy is dandy,
but liquor is what you’ll have if we resign ankiel.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it is, our outfield will really be smoking next year.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Me too.
I already explained. You should probably read the thread everyone told you not to.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i've read them all except the first one from monday
i’m getting really sleepy from the pills so i think it’s napy nap time now. maybe i’ll read it when i wake up if i don’t have any new pics on my phone to confuse me.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I guess that's a decent consolation prize if you're attracted to dudes
I for one would not like to sign Nady until it becomes clearer that he’s our best option.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
He is actually the hottest.
In his own way. Skip is definitely hotter based on what people usually consider to be hot. I think Colby’s cuter because he’s Colby.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
you don't feel a fanfic coming on, do you?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
FANFIC! FANFIC! FANFIC!
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions
"Smoking" as in smokin' hot attractive, or "smoking" as in disatrous inferno?
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
First one.
But it possibly could turn into the second. Let’s hope not.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
or... like a fire...?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
A fire somewhere in the vicinity of the outfield perhaps?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
it could be burning...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
from the flames coming from Clobby's feets...
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Ludwick is a HONEY.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
it rather depends on the
(link)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
JUST SAY NO, MO!!!
Ankiel is flat out done as a Cardinal, I just hope the organization realizes it.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 10, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you there
I love Ank and his story, but it’s time for him to go in another direction. Last year put the nail in the coffin for me.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
Can we even talk to players yet?
I thought we couldn’t even talk with players outside our team yet
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
We can talk, we just can't be specific about money or contract length
is the way I understand it
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"Oh, Hi, Mr Cameron; what are your thoughts on European Federalism in the 21st century?"
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Well, if I were a European voter I'd be hesitant
about any EU proposal that doesn’t land me an amount of money equal to the number of fingers I have multiplied by a large sum that is common in baseball contracts, per year."
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
since we can't talk money with Boras until the 17th - and i'm led to understand that money is slightly important to Mr. Boras -
I would say joe is offering an uninformed opinion.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
But we can talk $ in regards to our own players, right?
I think that is what caused all the panic. If Boras is really in STL talking to front-office types, then because of the rules, it’s likely they’re discussing Ankiel.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
OH, JOE STRAUSS?
gospel, man. Gospel.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions
two quibbles
I don’t know if Randy Winn has some comeback in him or not, but to equate his reversal potential to AnKiel’s is in error, in my judgment.
Rick has a terrible over-swing and lousy plate savvy; he seems like a guess hitter and a mistake hitter (not a good combo.) This has gotten worse. I simply don’t want him back at all.
I’m indifferent to Winn, but I also think it is moot; one way or another Holliday will be in LF with the Cardinals next year.
Second quibble is I too have an emotional thing for DeRosa, positive style. Like Mark Twain said about Wagner’s music, “it’s better than it sounds”; DeRosa is a better player than his numbers. I’d be very pleased to have HIM back, especially if I get my # 1 wish and AnKiel is gone.
ankiel's also years younger, though,
and if we watched winn hit grounders to second every day I’m sure it would seem just as (or nearly as) inevitable. I’m not equating the two, because winn was better for longer, but I think they’re similarly risky propositions.
I agree
Unlike some here, I could see Ank having a comeback of sorts next year, hopefully with a change of scenery. So long as he never has to face a LHP, and maybe gets the chance to work with a hitting coach whose one major tenet isn’t “swing the wooden thing as hard as you can somewhere in the vicinity of the round thing”, I could see him turning into a two-true outcomes corner outfield/CF guy who might put up another 2-win season on the cheap.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'm to the point where i think we should just re-sign ankiel
sign nady, and platoon them, until one gets hurt(highly likeley) or one stands out as being better
use the holliday money and sign john lackey to a 4 year deal
or we could, you know, sign holliday
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
If we end up re-signing Ankiel, Nady on the Cards would make Ank happy. Maybe working together they would have a synergistic effect or something
AnK’s seemed sad since Lil’ Dunc got exiled. Nady and Ank are buddies; I think they were in each others’ weddings or something
(rationalizing)
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
AnK had a run of hits right after Dunc left ... panic, probably
then he went into his sulK
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and a rec for you
“sulK,” lol
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
question
how does signing lackey and getting an era 1 run below our average runs/game
compare with spending the money necessary to score that one more run every 5th day
anyway, i know what i mean, ie, cost of lowering the runs allowed with pitching vs increasing firepower to score an average of 1 run more?
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Thing is, Lackey isn't an improvement on the average.
He replaces your worst starter, soaking up the wonderbrad and wellemeyer innings. Considering Lackey is probably a 3.5 win pitcher and would replace the 200 replacement-level innings of those sorts of pitchers, it’s a good spot to try to improve.
LF is much the same since AnK and DunK soaked up most of the innings there and were also a replacement-level tandem. It’s not realistic to improve your team by an entire run per game at one position, but 3B was also a pretty bad spot, and between the two of them it wouldn’t be totally impossible to drop an extra run with those spots combined. The problem is that it appears to be more expensive to improve here because Holliday is now looking for more than $120M and the 3B crop is either expensive (figgins) or coming off of ineffectiveness/injury (tendon sheath, shoulder surgeries).
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Also
we could go cheap on the OF and put together a much better LF than Ank/Dunc (heck, Ank/Nady is a considerable improvement), go cheap on 3B (say, Freese plus Glaus on a 1-yr commitment) and put together at least a 1-win improvement on what we had this year, and still have plenty of money to go after Lackey.
My one concern would be that Ludwick, Colby and even guys like Boog and Schu will eventually get more expensive and we’ll have about $50m tied up in the rotation for the next 4 years, and we may end up with quite a few years of pretty awful offense (esp. with a paybump coming to Pujols). I kinda feel that Albert would probably rather we sign a top hitter than a top pitcher long-term, too, and that’s pretty relevant if we want him to stay for ~$20m/yr or so.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:20 AM EST up reply actions
I am really, really not keen on Holliday for the money and years that I think he'll get.
Unless ownership are serious about bumping payroll to be consistently in the $110m+ region for the next few years.
Basically, it’s Cameron isn’t it. We can talk all we want, but Cameron is demonstrably the best OF option in terms of cost, years and production.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:15 AM EST up reply actions
also
Nady’s a lefty-killer of sorts but he doesn’t really require a platoon, especially. .769 career OPS against righties isn’t bad.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
My name is Bryan Burwell,
and I fail to understand what a “market” is.
This winter, we are waiting to see how quickly Matt Holliday will spurn the Cardinals, or more accurately, how ownership will come up with another reason why it can’t (or won’t) pay the asking price for a player who clearly fits all their needs. This is not crazy speculation.
Umm, is “we have finite resources” an illegitimate answer?
And then there’s this gem:
Boras is the kind of negotiator who won’t entertain offers until they reach his basement standard for the market he is setting. And apparently the Cardinals’ offer is not close to what Boras is looking for with Holliday in years or money, particularly when Alfonso Soriano received an eight-year, $136 million contract ($17 million annual average) to sign with the Chicago Cubs three years ago.
Truly, we should all try hard to make soriano-type deals. good call, bryan.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I love the assertion that "this is not crazy speculation."
The writer doth protest too much, methinks.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
"Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind..."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Out, damned market inefficiencies.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my favorite bit of logic
The Cardinals have yet to get full value for the trade.
So they need to re-sign Holliday.
Period.
Sincerely,
Mark ‘Sunk Costs’ Mulder
by brackenthebox on Nov 10, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Mo made the trade based on his assumption that we could re-sign Holliday,
then he should be fired. I know that I, like others, placed this as a stipulation to making the trade worthwhile, but that misguided. A new contract for Holliday was and is an unknown. The only full value that Mo should have based the trade on was for the 2009 season. If that value wasn’t worth what we surrendered in the trade, then we should not have made the trade. That is no logic for justifying Boras’ asking price.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the signability should play into Mo's trade
only when considering the value of compensation draft picks if we didn’t sign him..
There is that.
But, what Burwell seems to be saying is that, if the Cardinals do not re-sign Holliday, then we will not have received full value for the trade. I may be giving Burwell too much credit, but not re-signing, to me, inherently includes draft picks. To make my statement clearer, the trade only should have been made if Mo felt the value of Holliday for the remainder of the 2009 season, coupled with the draft picks when he signs elsewhere via free agency, were worth what we surrendered in value.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This is a very tough question
Because the value of the draft pick compensation is a moving target based on his suitor. Art + Science.
Free Milton
Haven't studies valued first round picks, etc.?
He’s working with a ballpark value.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes, but the fact that many picks (ie the Mets') are protected
is enough to tip the scales at least a few million $. In Holliday’s case, the fact that one of his most likely suitors (of a limited bunch) would be surrendering significantly worse than first round value demands that he look deeper than a cursory “ballpark” guess. Its game theory, really.
Free Milton
Is there a Numb3rs comic that all4tookie can plug in his explanation
for how Mo would go about valuing the potential draft picks received when Holliday goes elsewhere?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i'm sure boras
tells mo, “he’s leaning toward the mets. their offer is X. and, i guess you know, they have a protected pick – would you like to match their offer?”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Surely there's a scientific way to tell what *sort* of picks we'd likely get
let’s make some assumptions:
IF Holliday didn’t stay with us, we can assume his only possible suitors are the Giants, Dodgers (pre-Manny option), Yanks, Mets and BoSox. He was always the top Type A so we get the best picks from whoever he signs for. When he was signed it was clear we’d get a late first rounder from the Yanks, Dodgers or Bosox (let’s say he signs with one of them 70% of the time), probably a 2nd rounder from the Mets (say, 20%), and probably a mid first-rounder from the Giants, with a chance they took a nose-dive and we ended up with a 2nd rounder (say, 10%).
We just have to figure out the value of each of those picks and apply the appropriate estimated % chance of receiving each one. Viola.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
here:
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you completely
just wanted to point out the additional consideration.
and yes, you’re giving Burwell too much credit. His ignorance is straussian.
+1 for "straussian"
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Ignorance, yes ...
Inanity, yes.
But for sheer dishonesty Strauss is in a league of his own
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
soriano fit cub needs perfectly
they were looking for a scapegoat and no other outfielder offered to take more money from them in exchange for less production.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Which makes their Milton Bradley adventure all the more entertaining.
They were clearly worried that Soriano would play too well and wouldn’t be a good enough scapegoat; hence the Bradley acquisition. But in his first year Bradley managed to both outperform Soriano and firmly claim scapegoat status for himself. It was a huge blunder.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah
if we assume Bradley to be a replacement-level scapegoat, Soriano actually put up a negative VORS this year. Pretty poor production for a $136m player.
Really, Soriano’s contract should’ve been incentive-based. Something like $80m basic, plus $5m for every baseless accusation of racism, $10m for throwing the ball into the stands after the 2nd out, $500k per negative mention in a chicago-based sports blog. That’s how these sort of deals should be signed – Beane was all over this YEARS ago.
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
Blog reputation is the new OBP
or maybe it’s the new defense. Whatevs, you get my point.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Online Blogging Points?
maybe OBP+, adjusted for blog.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Bryan Burwell is every used car salesman's dream
When Bryan Burwell walks on a used car lot, salesmen must smile, because Burwell believes that the “market” is the salesman’s asking price.
And BTW, there are a lot of rusted clunkers on Boras’s client list.
I have taken this 1994 Geo Metro out on a test drive! I have invested too much time in this Geo Metro, sacrificed
too much, to just walk away! I will not back down from my commitment to this Geo Metro! If you say this Geo Metro costs $50,000 in cash, I am not going to just give up on all that time I spent looking at this vehicle! I’m not going to offer excuses like “if I pay $50,000 for this car, I won’t be able to pay my mortgage” or “this car is not worth $50,000” or “this car may break down soon” or “I wish this car could shift into third gear.” No excuses! I am buying this car!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
but the sticker says 2009 Ankiel . . . never mind! no excuses!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
tom, you're on a roll today.
Rec’d.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
And when you're General Motors
and you can just buy the Geo brand instead of making a low cost, good gas milage, low maintenance car yourself, well, you have to do that.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
nothing from stltoday
surprises me anymore.
this is a publication in a modest sized sports writing staff that has burwell, gorden AND someone who calls himself a “chatmeister” all on payroll.
I just read that
My first question was how much Boras paid him to write that? Then there are a series of other questions. Cost matters – it always does. So do years committed. Why does it have to be Holliday at any cost? There are dozens of ways to go about this, assuming you have some money to spend. And we do have some money to spend. If 6/96 doesn’t even get recognized as a real offer to use as a starting point, then there’s an issue. We traded a lot to get him, therefore we must sign him at any cost? I lost a few hundred dollars playing poker Sat at a level I usually can win at, so clearly I should go play at a level above my head to get it back. That’s what Burwell would tell me, at least. Besides that, the signing of Holliday is a completely different scenario than trading for Holliday. We could still have made a play for him without the trade, and he can still sign elsewhere with the trade. There is next to zero correlation between the 2, and anyone should have been able to recognize that when Colorado felt they had to deal him. We should not feel obliged to make this work out to the exclusion of other opportunities, if they are a better return for the cost. Also, using Soriano as a comparison? That’s a great way to solidify your point!
I get so angry at sportwriters that are this myopic. To formulate such an singular opinion as a statement of fact shows what type of “in-depth” analysis Burwell provides his readership. I understand they can’t make their living saying on the one hand, on the other, you could also consider……they have to put a stake down and have a solid opinion. Still, this is extraordinarily weak stuff.
by Merry CRasmus on Nov 10, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
You can take your salient facts and sit on it!
It’s time for DeWitt to open DeWallet and for Mo to spend MoMoney!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
sure
i don’t know of anyone who doesn’t think the soriano signing was a brillint move that returned great value o the flubs
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Barry Zito got 126M!
That means Lackey deserves 250M!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Billy Wagner's agent is named
Bean Stringfellow
….what. that can’t be a real person. like Dick Pole. no way.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Well Tom Tango is a real person...
…right?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
HFS
next thing you’ll tell me Angel Pagan is real.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Never read it that way before. Hilarious.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Milton Bradley is a person.
But Tom Tango is actually a pseudonym, heh.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Coco Crisp.
But technically, I think that’s a nickname.
As was Boof Bonser, until he legally changed it.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
coco
short for cocolicious
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
**Major** Major Major Major.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
(He has a rank now)
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
I just hope none of these guys end up naked in a tree
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
man I wanna borrow his helicopter
I hear it’s really fast.
that was my next thought
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
deserves a pic
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 10, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Free Willy with props???
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Nov 11, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
oh my god you are so young
Airwolf in motion was every child’s dream badass ride
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Airwolf Man,,,
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
Purple jackets have never been, nor shall they ever again be, so awesome.
It did remind me of a killer whale too, though. I will not call them “orcas” because “orca” just isn’t as rad as “killer whale.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
most interminable intro sequence EVAR.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
damn you, ESPN. why do you have such good ads.
It’s inside a scoreboard. One guy is in charge of the bottom line of the box score. He starts talking about ESPN’s online score lookup.
The other guy who’s in charge of the top line gets a phone call from the scorer, and fills in another number. He’s wearing a Cubs shirt.
It’s now apparent this is the scoreboard at Wrigley.
The first guy sits back, relaxing, and displays the updated scores on his phone. “I don’t know what it means, but I like it.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
confucius's first espn paradox:
if espn’s marketing people were put in charge of its programming people, there would be better programming… and less marketing.
I want to find out who they are
so the Cards can use them in their spots
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Smotlz and Harden would make me happy
That way, Garcia will more than likely get some MLB work in 2010. For 2011, Wainwright, Carp, Lohse, Harden, and Garcia is pretty nice, don’t you think? That is, if a one- or two-year deal would snare Harden. (I’m nearly certain a one-year deal would secure Smoltz for 2009.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
JAIME GARCIA
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
So, are you saying
that Harden’s and Smoltz’ durability issues would inevitably limit both of their innings totals, leaving Garcia to fill in for either of them? A kind of “three guys for two spots” arrangement?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
that sounds dirty
but it might work
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
[Obligatory TWSS]
I decided to nip it in the bud (I hope that’s not also WSS).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
WSS?
What Straus Said?
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Nov 10, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
more unicorn!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ask and you shall receive!
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Nov 10, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
woohooo!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That's exactly what I'm saying.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Interesting idea.
I mean, if the money is right and they don’t both go down at the same time for an extended period… it’s kind of an exciting idea.
hazel (I think it was hazel) did a post about Harden for Driveline Mechanics, which is what got me to thinkin’ about Harden.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think this is an excellent plan, because you're thowing a lot of relatively cheap stuff at the wall,
and if any of it sticks you could easily have another ace on your staff.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Also, it means Jamie doesn't have to pitch a ton of innings in 2010- something he probably isn't ready for.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
JAIME GARCIA
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I agree on both points.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've heard...
some people like him
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I had to check and make sure you were the one who wrote that
I don’t know from pitching mechanics, but that article is what made me think of Harden today. Kudos!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I would love to have Harden on the cardinals.
Imagine all the pitches he’s been tipping!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
ahahaha
I laugh because it hurts.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Really tho, if you look at the before and after of pitchers who come to the Cardinals,
they often lower their HR rate by throwing a lot more pitches in the bottom third and below the zone. Harden’s current biggest problem? A 15.1% HR/FB and a FB% of 49 that lead to 23 home runs allowed last season. Mmmmm.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
it would be great to mock the cubs with another one
but one day I fear the GOB will notice and that streak will backfire.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
This is why we should have picked up Chad Gaudin.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
That's a pretty big outlier for his career though isn't it?
I don’t have time to look it up right now, but I was thinking that was almost double his career HR rate…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
All the more reason for us to be buying, since it's basically guaranteed to go down.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
How many of those HRs were at Wrigley?
He might benefit from a park where the wind doesn’t play hell all the time.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
More than half (56.5%), but not that much more.
It’s more his pitch location than his ball park.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
What about DeRosa and Glaus...
for less (or roughly the same) than Holliday, with less years committed. I’m thinking you could probably get away with two year deals for each, which gives you money for Albert. Might give you enough for Smoltzie this year as well. Start with DeRo in left and if you have to move him to third bc Glaus and/or Freese is hurt/ineffective, you do it. Gives flexibilty and lengthens the lineup.
I dabbled in pacifism once....not in 'Nam of course
Glaus won't need more than one year
no way anyone gives him 2 yrs of guaranteed money after a severe shoulder problem. Maybe one year with an option – that’s about it.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure if this has been posted, so at the risk of being Nexdef'd...
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
Funny,
this was actually one of the best defensive seasons of Jeter’s career. Possibly the best.
I think the Adam Jones pick was more idiotic.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Another thing that is pretty silly about the GG
is that the OF awards aren’t separated by position.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
So basically...
a corner outfielder should never win a GG… There are always three CFers who are better than the best corner outfielder, aren’t there?
MB for LF in 2010!
Wait, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
Anyway, what I meant was that I think it’s silly that the OF awards are not separated into LF, CF, and RF. This means that CFs can win more than one, which doesn’t seem fair to me. Why not have 2 middle infield gold gloves and 2 corner infield, so that SSs and 3Bs can have a crack at both of them respectively?
And there are good defensive LF out there, they just never win GGs.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think he's saying that the 3 best outfielders each year in each league are probably all CFs
That’s how I read it
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
And if there are two third basemen who are both better than all first basemen, should they both get Gold Gloves?
I’m not arguing with you since I know you’re just clarifying, I’m just saying that’s how I see it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Ah
Understood
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 10, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
No sarcasm...
just thinking out loud… I suppose you could give it to a RFer for his arm, but it seems to me he third best CFer has to have more range than the rangiest corner outfielder.
Of course, Nate McClouth won last year….
MB for LF in 2010!
I just think it's annoying that they group the outfield positions together but none of the infield positions
That is, Adam Young and Torii Hunter can both win a GG in the same year whereas Evan Longoria and Chone Figgins cannot.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
RF gold gloves
Clemente won 12 as a right fielder, and yes, he was that good. Ichiro also won gg’s as a RF
I wish there were more footage of Clemente generally around
the few throws I’ve seen are incredible
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
throws, and more
Terrific arm, and Ichiro-type positioning and range.
Plus 3000 hits, and a humanitarian.
Crawford is basically a CF playing LF.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Yup, perfect example
There are good defensive LFs, they just don’t deserve awards apparently.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
1 Jeter, 8 abstentions.
that is where this should rightly end
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Nov 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just give him multiple GGs in one year
That way he can more easily catch up with greats like Mays and Smith, as he deserves. He is a True Yankee after all.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm still a n00b at advanced defensive metrics
How did he stack up compared to the rest of the AL shortstops?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 10, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
5th in UZR 4th in UZR/150
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=fld&lg=al&qual=y&type=0&season=2009&month=0
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
He was good according to UZR for the first time since, well, UZR existed
Quite good. Not as good as Aybar or Elvis Andrus though.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I had no idea Andrus had played that much
I was going to say “No way he can win as he only played about half the year”. Instead I’m going to say “Elvis Andrus should’ve won the GG”.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and I accidentally sorted the Fangraphs table wrong
So I totally missed Cesar Izturis and Adam Everett.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Long story short, this is the first year in a long time that Jeter winning a GG makes a bit of sense
and it’s still totall BS.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I dunno, I find it hard to get too worked up over GGs
they’re so devoid of any reality I’m just kinda used to it. Especially in the junior circuit.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
It's really at the point where I almost look forward to them being demonstrably wrong
because at least it’s enjoyable to make fun of them.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
nooo, I've realized how cool they are
because Gold Glovers can only switch gloves with other Gold Glovers.
NOW ALBERT CAN PITCH.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
intriiiiiggguiiing, even.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
not too poorly this year
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=fld&lg=al&qual=y&type=0&season=2009&month=0
and it’s his first year ever above average
also, Holy Betancourt
by brackenthebox on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
NEED MOAR KEYBOARD CAT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqnqghpj2Mk
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 10, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding
How does Frankie Gutierrez NOT win the AL GG for CF?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
b/c the GG are teh stupid.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
But he's black! And athletic! And plays CF! He must have a great glove!
/typical sportswriter.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
yep, but he's not gritty.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
No, clearly not. He just doesn't have quite the *look* of a truly gritty guy...
I can’t really put my finger on it… he’s just a horse of a different color, for some reason, from grittiness. I’m really in the dark as to why specifically.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
so NL are... tomorrow?
I’m gonna be mad if Piñata doesn’t get one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
just a touch less if Luddy doesn't, as well
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
HA!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
Colby
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 10, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
not until he learns to communicate
I was going through the threads,
and he failed to communicate to the bullpen — standing just outside the fence — when the phones weren’t working. they ran him down there to talk to the pitchers, and he couldn’t get it across and Carp had to go do it. Carp!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
[laments]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you'd think someone who's going to be a teacher could teach the boy how to speak
if only we knew of someone like that. if only,,,,
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
cody's female alter ego?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Man
You’re really knocking it out of the park with the movie references today
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
haven't seen that one either
HFS® i’ve been so sheltered it’s not even funny
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
You can't get more sheltered than living in the basement.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
I can understand him.
I was not aware the Cardinals pitchers couldn’t understand Southern drawl.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
if they can understand Franky, you'd think they could under stand Cody
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Yeah, there's plenty of south-mouth on this Cardinals team.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Cody has more than south-mouth, he has Boomhauer mouth
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
one wonders how he and Boog communicate.....
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
telepathically
they have to be doing the face-touch secret handshake for it to work, though
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
you'd have to throw in a mustache ride
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
send him with a note next time
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
that would violate the code of baseball
unless he writes it in chalk on his hand
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
pine tar on his bill?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
granted, maybe it was some complicated La Russa code
which wouldn’t fit on his bill. much less a lineup card.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
wating for spants' "digdangole_____"
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
She does have a special touch, doesn't she?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Boy, I tell you what, man, that dangole bullpen is loud.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Nov 10, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hee hee.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Actual Boomhauer quote that couldn't possibly be more Colby-fied
“Hey man, I was dang ol’ scarfing on that, man.”
Now with extra feisty!
Rotoworld says Smotzl will return
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
though I don't think it specifies where
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
FOR CLOSER
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 10, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fun with sources!
Smoltz, a free agent, is open to starting or relieving, according to a source with knowledge of his thinking.
by brackenthebox on Nov 10, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
he will either pitch next year or retire. should he pitch he will either relieve or start. in the event that he decides
to pitch, it is believed that he will regularly ascend a mound of dirt and throw a white spheroid. sources indicate that, should he choose to hurl said spheroid, the organization for which he throws the spheroid will pay him in American currency also known as “dollars.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Whoever wrote that is gonna feel really silly when he ends up a cricket bowler in England next year.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
smoltz has the most wicked split-fingered googly ever seen!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Nov 10, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for bizarre cricket reference
I’mma gonna do that cricket/baseball comparison fanpost this off-season, I swear!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
Please do
I’ve tried more than once to sit down and actually read the wikipedia page on cricket, only to become frustrated and give up. I want to understand it, I really do.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
that's why the internet gives us simple.wikipedia.org
by brackenthebox on Nov 11, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaha
The first sentence of that article is: “Cricket is a sport.”
I love wikipedia.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Also, ground rule doubles score four runs???
Cricket is even more messed up that I thought.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
his caddy?
Adam Wainwright cold-calling the news wires again?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I heard Smoltz say not that long ago
That he prefers to Close during the regular season but start in the playoffs
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 10, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I wish we could just Yankee this offseason
and sign Holliday, Lackey, and Wagner. How easy would that be?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Oh and Smoltz.
I would be ok with losing Pineiro under this situation, in case anyone was curious.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
that's what we have the van for
just steal them. keep them under Busch Stadium, in the tunnels, and feed them pie till spring. why d’you think it’s called the “winter warm-up”?
sadly I fear this, like many Cardinals traditions, has died out.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Which, pie-feeding or kidnapping?
Winter Warm-Up is still a go. They just moved it to a nicer hotel. Tickets on sale now!!
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
kidnapping
they say Fredbird knows the Old Ways. Fredbird has the van.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he's trying to make up for
a) not voting for corbin reinefeuer for ROY
b) eating all the Pocky he was supposed to bring us from Japan.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
The next post will have to be really funny for me to forgive him for offense a.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I'm more pissed at him for b, personally (that greedy louse)
I hope Dan at least got all the limited edition, not-available-outside-Japan Hello Kitty stationary that I requested.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm fairly certain they have Pocky at Schnuck's
Which has really killed the excitement of Pocky for me.
depends on the Schnuck's
some of them are fancier than others
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I miss living closer to fancy Richmond Heights Schnucks
South Hampton Schnucks bores me.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
That the giant one on/off Manchester near 270?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Samesies.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Well it's probably about 20 minutes from me
and if I’m right which I think I am South Hampton (Fritz’s Schnuck’s) is probably at least 10 minutes farther. So that would make the Des Peres Schnuck’s at least 30 minutes away from Fritz. That’s a long drive for a Schnuck’s.
I have no idea where spants lives so I can’t say anything about her.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Shes about ten minutes even further than me!
though probably closer to 270 from the south.
I drove by the De Peres one while they were building it earlier this summer and thought it was weird they were building a Schuncks so close to an already existing Schnucks, but then found out it was like the mecca of Schnucks. I just haven’t been near west county in months, so have no reason to check it out.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that's one thing about STL i've never understood
people all over the area don’t leave their own neighborhoods or towns unless they are forced to. it seems weird to me because out here i’ve always had to drive all over the place for everything.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I drive sixty miles a day to and from work.
I’m not voluntarily sitting in an hour of 270 rush hour traffic to see a damn Schnucks when I can walk to one in less than two minutes.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I drive all over.
Webster’s kind of centrally located though I think. Maybe not that centrally located but centrally located from the places I go (the malls).
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 10, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lets go to the mall...
Come on!!!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
only if you introduce me to Alan Thicke
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Did you see Monday's episode?
Shouldn’t you be in a van?
THANK YOU.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
That is what Lily gets for booking a robot instead of Fredbird
Fredbird comes with his own van, and thus would have saved Ted from having to bitch about the 25 dollars. Plus I am pretty sure Fredbird hangs out with some Stormtroopers at some sort of convention.
Silly f’in Lily!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Fat Barney
looked like Andy Richter.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Robin looked like a sick witch
i’m glad they broke up. i just hope they don’t beat it to death they might get back together
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I'd still go for her
‘course, I’m old and desperate, so….
I am curious as to how long they can string this out. I love the show, but, it sure is a long, complicated journey to meeting the kid’s mother!
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 14, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
It makes little economic sense to shop outside of my neighborhood for no reason.
Now with extra feisty!
Depends.
I try to avoid shopping at the Petsmart near me b/c the sales tax in that development is nearly 10%. I am not kidding. But I won’t drive out of my way to a different Petsmart, either. It has to be coordinated.
I am an expert shopper.
Now with extra feisty!
I'm impressed
Also, 10%? That’s terrible.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
which petsmart?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Kingshighway and Chippewa?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
son of a biscuit
Thats not even a nice development. I was there at the Verizon store not but fifteen minutes ago getting my blackberry fixed. I should have said something.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It's 17.5% everywhere in the UK
although I think food and children’s clothes are exempt (plus a few other things). There are extra taxes on tobacco, alcohol and fuel.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
I would gladly
pay that if we got back what you guys do. This is just a random development, with taxes that are 2% higher than everywhere else.
Now with extra feisty!
even crazier
try going somewhere without driving.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 10, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Where I live, you'd either better love to run.
Or buy a horse.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
If it wasn't for my horse...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
If you were gdm,
I would have dandy line for you.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
my main concern was getting my hands on all the calpis water I could drink
I also had a pocari sweat and some men’s pocky, to hit the engrish trifecta
heh, Global sells Men's Pocky
Albert probably has his own stash.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ew
man-pocky.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
it's longer and thicker than regular pocky
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Sources with theoretical knowledge of Danup's ballot report it resembled the follow, and was disqualified
1. Kobe Ramirez
2. Cleetus Roomba
3. Clobby Razzums
by brackenthebox on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
They should have understood the third one.
And that’s no excuse. I always call him by his proper name so if he needed reminding he could have looked at any number of my comments.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I have to admire his gung ho adherence to VEBism
But unfortunately this is one of those example of the perfect being the enemy of the good, to paraphrase some dead French dude.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
hmm. red sox planning on boosting payroll by, oh, $40M or so?
i find this concerning.
Epstein mentioned to Abraham that part of the motivation for restructuring Tim Wakefield’s contract yesterday was to save $1.5 million under the competitive balance tax. As the general manager put it: “That’s important because there are some things we want to do this winter and we don’t have a ton of room under the CBT.”
That statement seems fairly innocuous until you realize that the CTB threshold for 2010 is $170 million. Not only was the Red Sox’s payroll this year “only” $125 million, Abraham did some math on likely arbitration raises for Jonathan Papelbon, Jeremy Hermida, Hideki Okajima, and Ramon Ramirez, and came to the conclusion that they’ll have about $109 million committed for next season before doing anything via free agency.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
What pick did we get Colby with?
It was in the 20’s wasn’t it?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Wow
I knew it was a late first round pick but not how late. 29th is significant.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
iirc, a pick in the top ten makes a big difference. a pick in the top11-30 tends to be about the same in
terms of overall value.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
You mean 11 is surprisingly similar to 30?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Add some context, matty
gdm reads this blog, you know
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think it depends on who's picking early
you often (at least until this year, dunno if this will change as advanced analysis methods evolve and teams change tack) see the small-market teams (and even teams like the Braves this year) avoiding clear top ten guys for signability issues, but I don’t think they often get beyond #20. Anyone think we’d have got Miller this year with pick #29? I’m not convinced.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
another reason to love Renteria.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
He was a supplemental pick.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
haha
oh, I mean, yes.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Interesting note
According to Cot’s, the both of Boston’s WS wins came after raising payroll over 20 million from the previous season.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Nov 10, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Tell a Red Sox fan that they buy their World Series and watch their head explode
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 10, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Try living with a Red Sox fan and saying that.
You gotta not mind sleeping on tha couch, I’m tellin ya.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yet another reason why
I’m glad the Cards are not in the AL East or the American League period.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
A Beckett extension is probably included in Theo's calculation.
And, perhaps one for Victor Martinez.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I have no real basis for this
but I really think that V-Mart is going to be one of those players who absolutely falls off a cliff in his early 30s.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Probably.
Which is why from a baseball standpoint the Indians did the right thing trading him. From an emotional standpoint, it still sucks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
we're all counting on you...
Just testing something.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Nov 10, 2009 7:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yo!
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Nov 10, 2009 11:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Per rotoworld sidebar
Mets interested in Joel Pineiro. I guess they got tired of him spanking their bottoms so much?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
whitey
think he’ll get into the Hall via Veteran’s Committee?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Damn I hope so.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 10, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
I like the guy, but don’t really care either way. Does Cito Gaton get in?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Was Cito Gaston a GM?
Did Cito Gaston help change the way baseball was played?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
SI ranking top 50 free agents
have cards as best fit for joel and nady
have cameron to yanks, holliday to mets
have felipe lopez and ankiel to cubs
dero ranked ahead of beltre
lackey 1 and lego 2
uribe ranked ahead of joel
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Best part is Ank to Cubs
Bar none
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
i don't wish that on poor Dick
he needs to go some place far far away where they don’t expect much. like Toronto or San Diego
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I hope SD for one reason only...
…if/when he gets injured, I could hope for a small rehab stint in Fort Wayne!
…or not. Low-A ball sucks.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
ank to the cubs would be bizarro
i think the white sox would be a good fit/opportunity for him and a nice play by them
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
But I do wish that on the Cubs
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Joel and Nady are among the names I specifically DON'T want this year.
Unless Joel is gonna be super-cheap (i.e. <$10m/yr, 3 years or fewer).
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
Xavier Nady shows how weak this FA class is
he’s a marginal outfielder and I hope we go no where near him.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
+10000000000
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Boo Nady.
Cameron to the Yanks in CF makes some sense as does Holliday going there.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 11, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
OT: The 2nd Cleveland Tourism video
is “not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.” on youtube. I’m beyond pissed about this development. Luckily I found another link to it so all will be okay, but still…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
our economy's based on Lebron James...
Fantastic. I found myself humming that diddy on my way to work the other day.
by peach concrete on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
If you get a chance...
take a look at his channel. The Ohio secession thing is gold.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Anyone know how tax rates work for ball players?
Are they taxed on their home residence or the city/state they play in? Big tax differences between STL and NY City
yes and yes.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
There are requirements for residency...
…ie you have to prove you lived in a certain place for X number of days. Captain “Do No Wrong” Intangibles got in trouble a few years back for claiming he was a resident of Florida (no state income tax) despite living for the majority of the year in NYC.
We had a good subthread about this a few weeks back. I still think its dumb to unnecessarily pay state income tax regardless of how much income one has.
Free Milton
Silly person
We can’t just have rational agents acting in their own perceived self-interest. That’s greedy and wrong!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
When it's against the law, it is wrong, in my opinion.
If Jeter is smart enough to either look at the tax laws himself or hire a lawyer to do it so that he claims Florida as his state of residence, then he ought to be smart enough to have the lawyer tell him what the requirements are to establish primary residence and that he may be committing tax fraud if he doesn’t meet those requirements. I don’t feel bad for Jeter in any way, shape, or form. He has enough money to hire a team of All-Star lawyers (who are good at their jobs and possess intangibles that win cases) to make sure that he was paying taxes in line with the law and he didn’t do it. Or, he didn’t follow those lawyers’ advice. Either way, he should be held accountable for breaking the law.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh, don't get me wrong
Jeter isn’t a victim, since what he did was technically illegal. But I don’t think that’s quite what all4tookie when he said it makes no sense for people to unnecessarily pay taxes. It is necessary to pay what you’re legally obligated to pay, that’s clear, and I don’t endorse illegal tax evasion. But finding legal ways to get around it are fair game. We should always expect human beings to act in their own self-interest, and there’s usually nothing wrong with that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
So, we agree.
And, for what it’s worth, illegal is illegal. There is no “technically illegal.” What is “illegal” might not be “wrong” in someone’s eyes, but that doesn’t make it any less illegal. And if you are going to attempt to evade paying taxes on technicalities, then you are playing with fire.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I prefer to let more nobler souls than I toe the line of "illegal but not wrong"
Not very prudent, is it? Of course, I don’t currently have expensive lawyers to help me out…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's really it, isn't it?
I don’t have the money to hire people at hundreds of dollars per hour to try to weasel out of my tax obligations on technicalities, so I think anyone who gets caught doing as much has it coming. Everyday folks play the rules and pay their taxes, so why shouldn’t Derek Jeter?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If he had actually spent enough time in Florida to make it legal though, I don't see the problem
If you’re gonna try to finagle your way out of things, you should go through the required inconvenience to make it legal.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
didn't the city try to tax all the All Star Game participants?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
And talked about taxing opposing players as well.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Word of a Reds fire sale is circulating...
That would be pretty enticing. If we could pry away Votto or Phillips in return for taking some bad contracts, that would be absolutely marvelous.
MB for LF in 2010!
everything must goooooo
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
It's just like...a mini-mall?
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Montgomery! Flea Market!
I’m talkin’ ’bout Flea Market!
Aww yeah
you heard me
Living rooms!
Bedrooms!
Dinettes!
uh huh
it’s just like
a mini-
mall
DO THE STARFISH
AND THE PONY
(sorry if that’s not what you were referring to)
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Absolutely what I was referring to
Ahhh Montgomery
And, in a related story, this week marked the 5,000th performance of the Broadway musical "Cats." It also marked the 5,000th time a guy turned to his wife and said, "What the hell is this?"
by jd is legend on Nov 11, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Every time I watch that, I laugh so hard that I cry.
I’ve probably seen it fifty times and it still makes me laugh hysterically. I can’t watch it at work.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Here's a link...
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2009/11/11/q-a-on-phillips-kearns-free-agency/
Jocketty needs a catcher and a shortstop… How about Boog and Schumaker for Phillips and bad contract. Or Boog and Molina for Votto and bad contract. Granted Votto would be brutal in left, but that bat would look pretty nice in the lineup.
MB for LF in 2010!
I am not fond of the Reds making like Milwaukee and benefiting from the work of the Cardinals coaching staff.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Noooo
We can’t trade Boog! After years of a merry-go-round at SS, it will be refreshing to have someone locked in for awhile.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
also you would be screwed for your screen name
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
If we trade Boog, what would we do about SS?
Greene?
Maybe send them B. Anderson (oh wait, he has no trade value, nevermind) instead of Molina?
I have kind of coveted Votto and Philips for a while.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
And who would translate for Corey Rainer?
Earlier posts indicated that Boog is the only one who can understand him.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
ahahahaha
Boog is just a team player
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's like Han Solo and Chewbacca
Colby: Digdagolewarp I’mahatinonthisherepowercoil thingiemajig…
Boog: No, that’s the inertial dampener, that is the power coil! Put it back in!
Colby: [indecipherable mumbling]… manthisthingismessupiguess.
Boog: Well if you don’t like it then find another ride back home through hyperspace! Now hurry up and fix it, we don’t have much time.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 11, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understood everything Colby said.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Nov 11, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
i bet Colby said less than a 1000 words all season to the media
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 11, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
what's a constabulary?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
a british cop.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yeah..
It’s probably not advisable to trade Molina… He’s really valuable. But Schumaker and Boog are probably at the peak of their value. Plus the bad contract – Cordero, Rolen, Harang, Arroyo – are all useful.
MB for LF in 2010!
I don't really like any of those guys.
Votto, maybe, but the Cardinals demonstrated that they’re not that great at dealing with anxiety issues.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
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"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
wow, you're applying stats to whether an organization has the health care resources to deal with mental illness?
uh huh, I’m sure that averages out over time. except oh yes, they repeatedly trotted Khalil out at various levels when it was clear he needed more help.
to answer your question, each of those instances is a data point. the org never wavered from that “solution” other than sensibly putting him on the DL.
they had all season to manage the problem better. is that suddenly too small of a sample size for you?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Cordero
not a great contract but he could solve an issue for us (closing). I’ve liked Harang for a while so I’d be happy with him too.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
i like the idea of raiding the reds for cheap talent
cubs:pirates::cards:reds
but i doubt that jocketty is as inept as littlefield
Rolen for Thurston and K-Mac
and that will make my whole season, plus it makes the bear GIDDY
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
he does look pretty happy
but not as happy as i’ve seen him. of course if i’d show you all that pic, it’d be the last of good ole gdm
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I have no idea why they'd be moving Votto or Phillips
Neither of those guys make a lot of money next year.
I would guess that Arroyo and Harang would be on the block, as well as Cordero.
Now, I’d take a gamble on Harang (‘10 – $12.5M, ’11 – $12.75M, $2M buyout) if he doesn’t cost to much to pick up (i.e. he’s strictly a salary dump and we give them a couple of B grade prospects for him). He hasn’t missed many starts in his career, is due for a rebound season after a couple of bad years, and he’s really only a 1 year commitment if he stinks, the Cards can just buy him out after next year. If we’re picking up a pitcher, this would at least be a good route to look at.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I think they're in desperate financial straits...
and the only way to get anyone to take on the bad contracts is to sweeten the pot with Votto or Phillips.
MB for LF in 2010!
phillips maybe
but votto is laughable and untouchable.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah I could get on board with Harang AND Cordero
but they’d really have to give us something cheap and useful for me to take on those contracts (esp. Cordero).
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
how's about Cordero and Phillips, plus a prospect, for next to nothing?
Phillips is signed to a nice deal (7m next year, then 11m, then 12m) which is bargainous. Cordero’s signed to an expensive deal (11m/yr until 2012). Between them, though, I think it’s s useful deal. I guess we could give them Skippy + C-level prospect in return.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno...I'd rather have Harang and Phillips
We can dump Harang by buying him out if he has an injury plagued or shitty season next year — if Cordero goes downhill, we’re on the hook for 2 more seasons at 11 per.
I’d offer them Skip, Greene, and a pitching prospect.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
That'd be better, yep
I think they’d have to be in REAL doo-doo, though, to offer those two guys for next-to-nothing, as they’re both pretty decent and both signed to acceptable contracts.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 12, 2009 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, Adam Wainwright
According to the roto side bar thingie he was on 1380 this morning and said he thinks Holliday will be back. He was right about B. Ryan becoming the everyday SS… he was just off by a year or so.
I’m not sure what that means for Holliday.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
because Adam Wainwright learned from the best
Mark DeRosa taught him how to get his Smoltzinski. A.D.A.M. now harnesses his powers of pie (squared) to cajole Mr. Holliday.
Also he knows Carp will be grumpy all year long otherwise, and no one wants that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
y'know, none of this would be possible without Albert Pujols
and the general aura of Cardinal Nation. What other team just texts old friends who are retired and fishing on their boat / playing on the golf course / hunting in the wilderness to beg them to pitch?
“Come on over! They have great pie!”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
This reminds me
of how Larry Walker texts Danny Mc
I still don’t know how that happened
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 11, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Danny Mac does hockey
it’s elementary, eh?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he also spends an hour every day
trying to fit into those suits he bought two years ago.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I think Holliday's thinking is this:
if Cardinals are in the ballpark of offers from other teams, I’d rather take a small pay cut an play for the Cardinals. In other words, the Cards get in that ballpark and they’re automatically #1. The problem is that I don’t think we can (nor do I want to) get in that ballpark if other big free agent OF signings (ie Soriano and Tex) are dictating the “ballpark.” Also, I believe both those contracts have been expressly or impliedly alluded to by Boras. I love the logic of the negotiating tactic. “Hey, remember that disastrous albatross of a contract that was heinously awful for the FO and that other one given by a team that mints currency in its basement, yeah it should be like those contracts only better.”
I'm confused. where does the pie come in?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
the mouth, silly
have you been doing it the other way?
by mattyp on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...uh. no comment.
no, the plan, where is the pie in the plan!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
oh, I see
well I’ve got about three dozen cooling on my windowsill to send to Holliday, plus an extra one to pie-face Boras with when Holliday accepts our low-ball offer
protip: don't cool the one for Boras
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, that reminds me of a classic South Park episode
where Cartman does, in fact, do it the other way.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
That was pretty awesome
It’s like the creators of South Park sit down every day and think to themselves “what is the most ludicrous and possibly also the most disgusting metaphor I can come up with for current events today…”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
If no other NL clubs are interested
I think that we have a shot. I don’t think he wants to play in the American League, just judging by what he said while he was in Oakland. That’s why the Mets are the team that most worries me…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
he should know better than picking the Mets
he’ll step into that clubhouse and come down with a rare form of eczema that will cause him to bang his shoulder into a door while scratching and then months and a banana peel later, boom, amputation.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
David Wright can assure him that Citi Field will be way better than Oakland's park for his hitting numbers
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
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