Three Series
by DanUpBaby on Oct 9, 2009 3:39 AM EDT
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So then the World Series happened. I don't want to say my expectations as a fan were lower after that, because it sounds so negative; the 2004 Cardinals didn't disillusion me, they weren't the last time I trusted an authority figure, and baseball itself, played by any players on any field, had the same systemic pull it always did. But the sheer cognitive dissonance of my favorite team, the one I'd yoked myself to for life, losing in the worst way imaginable—to the Red Sox, with Jimmy Fallon on the field, with Marlon Anderson manning the DH, in four irredeemable games—made me reevaluate things. This team was supposed to win. I reveled in the way it was supposed to win.
2006
What a disaster this was. When the Cardinals lose in a particularly bad way all the TVs in the house are turned off, all the baseball-related bookmarks are temporarily discontinued. I don't think I read a single Cardinals blog or news article from the middle of August to the end of September. I didn't want to talk about them, I didn't want to read or write about them, and I watched the games out of some warped pride, the latent strain of baseball masochism that dominated Red Sox fandom until 2004, that makes Cubs fans fatalistic on Facebook feeds and in small groups to this day.
When Scott Spiezio's triple dragged the team into the playoffs I was in a sports bar, more or less on accident, and for the first time in what seemed like months I had a pleasant Cardinals experience. The whole bar exhaled, all at once, and drew a fresh breath—they're in the playoffs; if they lose, now, they lose, but they've gotten through the door.
And they won, and they won, and they won. I'll say it now—this one lowered my expectations. It was a valedictory for the 2004 team; with time running out on the MV3 core each year that passed was one more with Jimmy Fallon giggling around the team's lasting impressions on the baseball landscape. When it happened those bitter-tasting moments faded out of the center of my memories of that 2004 team, replaced by Ray Lankford running down fly balls in spring training and the three guys who could do no wrong.
2009
This isn't a post-mortem because the baseball season is cheapened by summary in November; the best thing about the baseball season, always, is that it's still going, that it helps us mark time in January and pass it in May, August, October. It's still going now. After 2004, when a single moment ruined the year, and 2006, where one improbable run validated it, I've tried to remember that. For the most part it works pretty well.
But in those particular single moments it's hard. In the end, for baseball fans, for me, statistics and the gods of baseball and image macros are just hedging our bets about this thing that takes up so much of our time and thought, that directs our conversations in person and on this blog, that can hurt us like nothing so finally impersonal should. Nine-hundred and eighty times out of a thousand Matt Holliday catches the ball. Seven-hundred and eighty times out of a thousand a batter facing Ryan Franklin doesn't reach base safely. If I keep saying that he sucks he can't suck. None of it matters in that one instant except to remind us, to insist to us, that baseball isn't always like this, that normally it meets our expectations halfway.
Right now the best part about the 2009 season is that it's happened—that we lived through and talked about two proposed Matt Holliday trades, 29 Chris Carpenter starts, the birth of a new, scrappier middle infield, an incredible run away from our natural rivals—and that it's still happening. It animated another summer with possibility and discussion and mustaches, and it's gotten us into fall with the potential for one more improbable attempt at keeping things going. I would rather the baseball season never end; failing that, I'd like to see it through Saturday.
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Whenever the season does come to a close
whether it be this weekend, or weeks down the line, and the disappointment (or jubilation) wears off, I am going to look back at it with fondness. Even if we do fail in our ultimate goal, hopefully time will make the Holliday play, and any other perceived misgivings by the GOB fade away and in distant memory. Hopefully the Rasmus and Pujols walkoffs, Ryan’s coming of age, Skip’s transition, Carpenter’s best stuff, and Wainwright’s progression into a true ace will be the things we remember most.
It has been a memorable season, and hopefully there are a few more memorable moments left to witness.
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
i don't think one picture can better capture the 2009 season like this one
this one hurts. it really, really hurts
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
When I see that photo
the only thing I can think of is that is the ultimate kick in the jewels by the GOB’s. The team must have pissed off some higher power because we are paying big time in this series. Maybe this is payback for the Ozzie/Clark hrs in 85 off the Dodgers?
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
that's the first thing I thought
don’t piss off the GOB
by GeorgeHendricksStirrups on Oct 9, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of balancing things out...
I’d reference a certain play in a certain tiebreaking game two years ago.
by bailorg on Oct 9, 2009 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank god it's possible to collapse comments
I really can’t take that picture right now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
+1
"It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again." - Terence Mann.
by Futility Infielder on Oct 9, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
His tummy hurts from all the piez?
I am using humor to mask my pain.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 9, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The picture is actually worse because of that F7 in the background
The GOB really know how to mock fans, don’t they?
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
Holliday: "I lost it in the lights."
Per the Cardinal Beat:
"I couldn’t see the ball. I lost in the lights.
"I had it in the beginning but then the ball came down through the lights and I lost it.
"When that happens, you hope it hits your body or hits your glove.
"I just lost it.
"Tough to swallow. I feel terrible.
"The ball hit my stomach. I think I can catch a fly ball hit right at me.
"Wainwright pitched a good game, the bullpen did its job. I just didn’t catch it."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I Keep Watching
the replay of the Dodgers celebrating on-field after the Loretta knock, and I gotta ask: WHAT EFFIN’ LIGHTS???
No.
Lugo played pretty well. If the hex was anyone, it would be Lugo.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Curse of the Walrus, maybe?
But, that sounds like Cubby talk
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
hey photoshoppers
can someone mash this up with Hans Moleman’s football in crotch?
Thanks!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Milton Bradley would have caught that ball.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 9, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Milton might not have
but Alfonso Soriano definitely would have.
"There is no tomorrow for you, and that makes you very dangerous people."--Jimmy McGinty (Gene Hackman) The Replacements
Time is an illusion--lunch time doubly so.
I wouldn't be so sure...
I have a good feeling about this - Ben Crenshaw, in a press conference on the night of Sept. 25, 1999. The American Ryder Cup team was down 4 points and came back and won the following day. It was, and still is, the largest comeback in Ryder Cup history.
Let's get it together boys, and let's shock the world!
Not mad but confused
I just can’t get over how this team did a complete U-turn after that great August and running away with the divison. It just seems like this has been boiling for over 3 weeks and last night was the explosion. It’s like the guys just can’t shake “The Slump” that has been eating them for a month now. Is it the team chemistry, is it the coaching or has it just been bad luck? I just can’t pinpoint it. We have the two best starters in the NL, we have the best hitter in all of baseball but somehow something has changed and they have become snakebit at every turn and they just can’t shake it.
I have gone from mad (earlier tonight) to now just being confused about how this team has just flat out lost their mojo. It hasn’t been something that has happened over night. This has been going on for a month now. I just don’t get it. It’s like this team has fell in a black hole and just cannot pull themselves out.
But it has been a memorable season and I don’t want it to end. I hope this drives the guys to dig in and reclaim their mojo and pull out of this funk. We have one more chance on Saturday. Lets win this thing.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
The fact that this has been going on a month now
Somehow made the collapse much easier to deal with than I expected. If Franklin had continued to suck in his fashion through September, the turn of events yesterday would have been unfathomable.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the bullpen going forth. It’s clear Larussa has not been happy with Franklin for weeks and has been treating him with kid gloves since he went Full Lidge on us. In the one game Franklin saved in the past month, the division clincher, one could see how pissed Tony was as he yanked the bullpen phone off the hook as Franklin started pitching his way into trouble.
Off hand, I can only think of one team that benched their closer during the playoffs. The 2003 Red Sox went into the playoffs with BK Kim as their de facto closer, but had overall more of a committee approach. After a blown save in the first game of the ALDS against Oakland, Scott Williamson (who didn’t record a save all year) became the primary closer in the playoffs. (Incidentally, that Red Sox team came back from an 0-2 hole they got themselves into in California. However, this situation may have ultimately led to Grady Little leaving Pedro out there too long in the ALCS Game 7. But I digress.)
I think game scenario will dictate what happens regarding closing out games. If a save situation arises in Game 3, I think Larussa will try and micromanage it with the lefties, and Smoltz could be called upon. At the same time, I don’t think he’ll warm Smoltz up unless there’s no doubt he’ll enter the game.
If they happen to win game 3 without needing Smoltz, he throws game 4. Game 4 would potentially get closed down by a Committee, while Wainwright could be available to close down game 5.
Ultimately, I don’t see Franklin getting another save opportunity unless they have a 3 run lead in the 9th.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't feel comfortable with a 3 run lead with Franklin to be honest.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Nor I
But as Franklin hasn’t been put on the IR with an undisclosed Izzy, Larussa will do everything in his power to give him some shred of confidence.
If he gets a few quick outs, it’s gravy. If he gives up a leadoff double off the wall, pull him.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure this was posted somewhere
but I haven’t got to it yet.
(Franklin’s blog entry about last night)
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
Let me add that Wainwright/Carp has their mojo in spades
just wish the rest of the team (offense/Franklin) can get their’s back by Saturday.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
The offense in particular
They are not going to win a pitcher’s duel in Game 3.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
some of this is just backlash from the heightened expectations people had in August.
it was nice to win 3 of every 4 games, but it was clear that that pace was unsustainable. the same thing happened when we crashed from our April high. baseball is just an up-and-down game.
you can never get convinced you are as good or as bad as your last 10, 20, or 30 games.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Postseason teams' records in September/October
LAD: 17-13 (and 3-6 against the cellar-dwelling Pirates and Padres in the penultimate week)
COL: 20-11
PHI: 18-16, including a 7-9 stretch at the end that had two series losses to division rivals Florida at home and on the road, and splits against a weak Milwaukee team and a poor Astros team.
Everybody in the NL had trouble, just about, going into the postseason.
Witty .sig goes here.
erm, aren't they all winning records?
And aren’t the Dodgers and Rockies, pro rata, better than any record in the NL this year?
There’s a coherent argument in here somewhere….
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 9, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, I've always considered myself a Cardinals fan
…ever since I started watching baseball. Right around the time McGwire became a Cardinal. (Say what you will about the steroid-era players, but they drew a crowd to baseball [myself included] and were, ultimately, great for sport publicity…but that’s a whole ’nother topic)
But 2003 was the first time I actually started following the team. I didn’t really invest much time in researching the minor leagues until last year. 2004 was a disappointment in the end. 2006 was ecstasy in the end. And time will tell where this year falls on that chart…
Great post, Dan.
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
Our odds to win this series are still like 7:1
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I refuse to give in...
I mean… I may be the most optimistic person in the world… but we can do this! right? I mean… we can do this… Mom?
Brenden Ryan is my hero...
That's about what I was thinking..
somewhere about a 15% chance. 55% to win game 3, 55% to win game 4, 50% to win game 5
Free Milton
I was giving us 60% at home and lower on the road.
it was like 15:2 odds really, but who’s counting.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
The first Sunday in September
The staches were long gone by then.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
when Boog started growing his, most everyone had shaved
Wainwright shaved between that win and the presser; now there was a shock. It’s also chronicled in the Four Nights in July or whatever article of Goold’s.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
The last I remember them in all their glory
Was the Cubs series before the AS break
I remember trying to explain that it was a club cohesiveness thing after a friend (not a fan) took a look at them and said, “What a collection of white trash”.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
here you go
http://delicious.com/Mustachioed_Birdos
I think the only major thing missing is the article in question and Boog’s latest award nomination.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Now that I've been able to sleep on it
The only thing I am hoping for the rest of this season is that the fans don’t give Holliday a hard time when we get back. Incessant booing or negative comments towards him are not going to increase the chances that he re-signs. He has said, since he got to STL, that this is by far the best baseball atmosphere he has ever played in. This is our chance to prove that and not let one play seal the Matt Holliday Story in St. Louis.
91-71 with a Central Division title, two Cy Young candidates, and the MVP is a damn fine season. We also solidified our middle infield for the next ~3 years and got a small glimpse at what our future All-Star centerfielder is capable of. Only one team is going to finish with a win this season and we do still have a chance to do that and remember the team that ended our dream season in ’04 came back from an 0-3 hole.
No longer patiently awaiting. Raz has arrived.
I'm not in the least upset at Holliday
Obviously, he made a horrendous play, but these things happen. Not only is the team in the position they are in because of him, the drop itself did not cost the team the game. There were still two outs and the bottom of the order was up. Franklin’s inability to get Belliard or Loretta out was more inexcusable.
If Franklin failing in the playoffs was an inevitability, a silver lining is that at least it occurred before the team was eliminated.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I admire your ability to gain perspective
I haven’t gotten there yet. It might take awhile.
"It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again." - Terence Mann.
by Futility Infielder on Oct 9, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
See, I don't get that idea
He dropped the 3rd out. So yes, that’s the game. I’m not hating on Holliday – but that’s the game.
Yes
I completely agree. Holliday effed up but it wouldn’t have mattered if our offensive could’ve gotten a few more runners home or if Franklin could’ve gotten either of the next two batters out before Belliard tied it up.
You can’t hang it all on one play.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something."
THIS!
Moz didn’t sign Holliday for his defense. He signed him to hit. He hit last night. Hit a home run, in fact.
Franklin’s job is to get outs. No matter what. He’s the one who failed in his job last night.
Well shit
we should have just signed Adam Dunn last offseason then. He hit the ball just as well as Holliday and he would have been cheaper going forward.
He’s expected to field his position too. Not making that play is inexcusable and deserves to be criticized.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
apple pie doesn't work on him.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol
rec’d
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
oh, you're too kind.
it was just sitting there.
I agree with it being Holliday’s job to catch a ball.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Really it should have been Cody's job...
he’s already got the team on his back this series…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
but then he wouldn't call for it, they'd collide, and we'd have the same result.
except with more David Freese and Tyler Greene.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ah yes...
forgot about his lack of communication between the lines…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Was anyone else totally pissed that Dan Plesac (I think)
kept referring to him as “Cody” Rasmus? Lazy and unprofessional. I mean, just look at the fucking lineup card in front of you, the monitor, anything.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
maybe he is secretly a VEBer?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
HL's was the first to call him Cody,,,,,,,,
of course, i call him that all the time too,,,,maybe i’m this dan plesac person
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I am Dan Plesac
Dan Plesac is me.
No, but I do wish I could rock that hair he does.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 10, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to give him that much credit.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
I agree, but
the fact remains that if Ryan Franklin is a “closer,” his job is to get. outs. Without giving up runs. It shouldn’t matter if he has to get three, six or twelve outs. His job is to close the game.
Moz didn’t sign Holliday as “Colby Rasmus defensive protection,” he was signed as protection for Albert. In the batting order. Offensively.
Holliday deserves to be criticized, but if we’re going to assign blame to one guy (which, by the way, isn’t fair to do in a game that the starter goes eight innings and gives up three hits, and the offense manages 10 hits but only 2 runs), it’s gotta be Franklin.
Matt Holliday is a "left fielder."
That implies that he “field” to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing the point
Should he have caught the ball? Heck yes. Was it a terrible, horrible, no-good, very-bad play? Of course.
But the fact remains. Franklin still had 2 strikes on the next guy. It’s his job to put him away and pick up his teammates.
the next guy who was fouling him off on every pitch, including the good ones.
they (NOT JUST FRANKLIN) made the executive decision to play it out to the bases loaded.
you wanna go down that road, then throw it at Yadi and Dunc and La Russa too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
(though at this point I could be misremembering parts of that)
correct me if I am
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
did TLR come out and say they uibb'd blake?
Franklin threw 9 pitches to him and only one was in the zone, so it’s very possible, but if that’s what happened it’s probably the worst decision TLR has ever made.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
franklin's blog (available through mlb.com mothership)
indicates that DD came out and told frankie not to give blake anything to hit.
so, yeah.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
just saw that in the comments below
holy fucking shit.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
It was on Franklin's blog.
He posted about Dunc coming out and telling him not to give Blake anything to hit.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it was actually that bad.
It sets up a force, and Loney is already in scoring position. Casey Blake is not scoring from 1B on any hit.
The play was a routine one.
For every left fielder in baseball. Was the loss entirely Holliday’s fault? No. But it was not all on Ryan Franklin either. It was a Holli-kin loss. Maybe that’s what I’ll go as for Halloween, a “Holli-kin.” I’ll tape red yarn to my chin and a baseball to my groin and walk around grimmacing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
a Frankday?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
This makes no sense
No matter what title you put on it, no one in the history of baseball’s job has been to get twelve outs and give up zero runs.
And he is not “protection”. “Protection” in the lineup is largely a myth. He was brought here as an upgrade in left field.
Free Milton
He's protecting us from Rick Ankiel.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 9, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
omg, really?
sign him up!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
people probably just missed it, i'm sure it'll be green soon enough
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
No, you don't agree
Obviously. If you’re a closer, and you get a guy to fly to left field with two outs, you expect that ball to be caught, because it’s a pretty routine play to make. Franklin’s job all year hasn’t been to strike out every hitter he faces — he uses the defense behind him to finish games, and one of those guys failed him last night.
To say anything different is not “agreeing” with me.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
No, see, it doesn't
When did I ever say the missed fly ball was ok, and Holliday deserved to be above reproach? Never.
Holliday should have caught the ball, no question about it. Game should’ve been over, Franky’s got his save, series split going to STL.
But, he didn’t catch it. That doesn’t change Franklin’s job. Ryan’s job is still to end the game. He couldn’t put 2 different hitters away. If he gets a strikeout of Blake there, nobody’s talking about Holliday anymore.
I understand that Franklin has never been a strikeout guy, but when you’ve got 2 strikes on a guy, 2 outs, bottom of the ninth, tying/winning runs on, that’s when you need a K. Franklin didn’t deliver.
Geez man, getting all worked up again right after I had come to grips with everything.
Couldn't agree more
And I have faith in Cardinal fans to handle it with class. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a standing ovation when he gets to the plate on Saturday. It’s the kind of thing that my be the final push over the goal line to keep him here.
I also don’t think the Cardinals are out of this by any stretch of the imagination. Piniero’s recent performance scares me, but if he bucks convention and finds it for game 3, and the bullpen gets a rest, you might see Carpenter game 4 and Wainwright game 5. I like our chances then. It’s not as if the Dodgers pasted us in games 1 & 2, and in their own park. The Cardinals can hold serve and return the favor.
And yea, the offense couldn’t get key hits last night, but it was getting hits against a very tough left-hander.
The thing that’s hurting us this post season is our inability to get those 2-out hits to score runs. Those were the hits we got in 2006 and over the summer and what we’re missing now. Obviously our closer crapping the bed doesn’t help but these games were still winnable.
I was so frustrated last night but at this point, I’ll just “take it one game at a time.” I think if they manage to come back from being down 2 games and that LaRussa has the evidence he needs to justify not having Franklin close we’ll be in a better position in the NLCS.
On a personal note, I do have to admit that I am now regretting my decision less to sell my tickets to the Saturday game instead of making the long trip down to STL.
2 out hits.
How many times in this series have we had guys line out to Casey Blake with a runner on 2nd? I know of at least 2 times and possibly 3 times.
Those are difference makers that just found Blake’s mit.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I'm done.
Bye, DeRosa, Glaus, and especially Holliday and La Russa.
It’s Saints time. At least they’re 4-0.
Really?!
You say bye because of one minor-league-ridden season by Glaus…
A productive postseason by DeRo…
And ONE botched play by Holliday…?
Have fun rooting for the Ain’t’s. Adieu.
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
I don't agree with the "bye" mindset
but really, there are at least TWO botched plays I’d pin on Holliday.
1- Obviously the liner that was the 3rd out. That would’ve tied the series.
2- Not taking the bat off your shoulder in the 1st inning of Game 1 with the bases loaded and none out.
Yes, he had 1 of our 2 runs last night via the HR, but those are two very glaring instances of some combination of losing focus, not executing, or simply shitting the bed/choking when it matters most. Tough series for Holliday to be sure.
He's still owes mojo for the 07 call at home
Too bad he has to repay all of it this series…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Well he did...
then it all fell apart when the market collapsed last year… It’s really a sad story.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
you're a moderator, chuck
and should be above this sort of passive aggressive response.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Oct 9, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
he should be?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
normally i'm all for making the guy do some pushups
instead of taking his ball and going home, but he’s got a point here.
fuck handegg.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 9, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tired of people telling other people how to behave.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'm still on a case by case basis.
someone’s being a douche it is somebody else’s duty to let it known.
otherwise there would be more of this:
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i'm tired of the moderator being a whiny baby
whenever anyone disagrees with him and a jerk whenever he feels like it.
craig didn’t do anything wrong or out of line from what went on a thousand times last night. so why be a dick? just let it go and move on.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Oct 9, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm tired of people like Craig
thinking they can infiltrate our community without doing a little lurking to see how things are done. I had to do it, most of us did, so why not him, Grizzled Vet, and the other vile, profane, and down right rude others that cause threads to become locked.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Uh, I've been here forever.
Since the old three-red-and-white-columned days.
I just never post.
I’m not allowed to be pissed off after that play?
What pissed me off more than the miscue was him eating sunflower seeds like nothing had happened. I’m not saying for him to commit hara-kiri on the pitcher’s mound, but just to at least pay close attention to the damn game .
There's an argument to be made
he chalked it up to a bad break and didn’t want to get to worked up about it… Not saying how good that argument is, but the first thing I thought when I saw him chomping on the seeds was… I hope that’s a sign he’s not going to let it bother him… then I thought I hope he doesn’t have to lay out for a ball cause he could really choke on those things.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
well on second thought
sorry about the assumption that you were new, I guess I should have check that UID of 206. I guess I’ve just gotten fed up with the whole of attacks on the team. Sorry to have lashed out
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I don't see how chuckb's comment is being whiny or jerkish?
If you’re going to quit on the club, then, good riddance. I hope you have the time of your life.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are right, i'm not being constructive.
comment retracted and I apologize to chuckb.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
well most of the time you do have a point.
…like 99% of the time.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
You know...
I’ve had a lot of the same feelings since the end of the game last night. The Vikings are 4-0 and have a good shot at the Super Bowl, the Lakers are the defending NBA champs and bring back pretty much the same team (+ 1 Artest, -1 Ariza).
I love the Cardinals, but that game was a shot to the testicles (literally). I’ll be watching the rest of this series, don’t get me wrong (it helps that the Vikes play the HAPLESS Rams on Sunday if there’s a Game 4 in this series), but at least I feel that all is not lost because the other two pro sports teams that I cheer for are in very good shape right now.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Agreed
Don’t ask me why, I’ve just always followed those three teams growing up.
The Cardinals because I grew up in southern Iowa without cable TV, so all we had was the Ozzie, Willie, Tommy, Jack, and John Cardinal teams of the late 80’s. Inexplicably my brother ended up a Cubs fan just to fucking spite me, or at least that’s what I tell myself. I guess the joke’s on him and his teams’ 101 years of ineptitude.
Not sure why on the other two. I think part of it was hating the Celtics teams of the 80’s for some reason and I had a Chris Doleman poster on my wall for a lot of my childhood — I think I got it from my aunt and uncle who live in Minnesota.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I don't begrudge anyone
who feels that the world is not ending right before our very eyes because there will be a football season to watch, a hocket season to watch, a basketball season to watch, and another baseball season to watch (beginning in four months or so). And, as I said, if one is “done for the season” after last night, more power to him or her. I understand where these folks are coming from and wish you a happy fall and winter. Hope to see them around these parts next spring. I’ll be watching the season until the last out.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck handegg.
This, probably.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 9, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This has been a really rough couple of games
and it makes me sad to think we could get swept out of the playoffs and more fans won’t get exposed to the awesomeness of Colby Rasmus.
That said, it’s easier on me when the Cardinals aren’t involved and I’m not so worked up. It’s better for my personal property as well. I’ll be sticking around watching all the playoffs even if the Cardinals don’t win. I love the Cardinals but I’ll settle for good playoff baseball.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I am really torn
I want good playoff baseball also. On one hand I want the Phillies to lose so we can have homefield in the NLCS. But if we are not to move on I am going to root for the Phillies if nothing else because to me they are the only team that could give the Yankees a fight in the series. At least they would probably make it a series. I could see a Yankees sweep if it’s the Rockies or Dodgers in the series.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Funny that you should say that.
After the Dodgers tied the game last night, I voiced, out-loud, a wish that we would just lose the game right then and there rather than put me through the agony of extra innings from our bullpen.
The thing is, as I said it, I didn’t know where it was coming from: of course I didn’t want the Cards to lose. But the game was so heartbreaking, I just wanted the girl to dump me straight-up rather than string me along, to use a tired dating metaphor.
The rest of the night consisted of dishwasher-emptying, reading books to my three-year-old, and remembering that – as much as I love it – baseball isn’t the most important thing in life.
I've done that the last couple years,
when they didn’t make it at all. But if they get swept, I’m not sure if I’ll be able to stomach watching more baseball.
Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball or Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Oct 9, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
why is the STL media throwing Cody under the bus?
i’ve read & heard a lot of crap about how he blew it getting thrown out at 3rd, but we all saw Jose wave him to third. the throw was going home, it was barely cut off, and he was probably safe at 3rd because he was tagged high up on his body while his feet were on the base. they are saying Adam would have bunted him over to 3rd if he stayed at second, but they forget that DeRo would have been dead meat if the throw was not cut off.
everyone’s jumping on the fact Tony went batshit when that happened, and Albert talking to Cody in the dugout. but why is no one if focusing on the facts. i shouldn’t be surprised about this though, they are the STL media after all. it just pisses me off because the kid didn’t do anything wrong.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
still??
really?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
In fairness they also have nice lawns that they wish to remain undisturbed.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Oct 9, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why are the kids on *my* lawn, then
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
This is the first and last thing I will see or read about baseball until the start of the game tomorrow
But I’m kinda curious why? Almost nothing should have been expected out of Colby when he was facing Kershaw but instead he comes up with an incredibly clutch game changing hit. And people are mad at him? Shouldn’t people be extremely happy about not only how we is playing now but how great it appears he will be?
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Oct 9, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
People should be happy.
But people are also extremely friggin stupid.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and sexy.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 9, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
About Rasmus
They may not get exposed to him anyway since there’s about an 80% chance he gets pulled by the 7th.
Where the Cards Stand
The two major holes identified during the September slump have been exposed by the Dodgers: a streaky offense and a questionable closer. Not surprising I guess.
As for the specifics of last nights game, the offense should get the largest share of blame for the loss. No team is going to win many 2-1 games. No doubt Holliday deserves some blame as well for the dropped ball (and Molina for the passed ball as well), but since August Franklin has successfully proved that he is a Dave Veres-like closer, with a similarly fine line between success and failure. When Franklin needed to buckle down and get 1 out to win the game, he failed to throw strikes and in the process lost the game (and that is not Matt Holliday’s fault).
So, where do the Cards go from here?
Well there is at least 1 game left this Saturday in St. Louis. Regardless of its outcome, I think the Cards are pretty much done for this season. LA is too good of a team (and the Cards offense to inconsistent) to expect that St. Louis will take 3 straight to win the series.
As for the long term, the primary focus of the off-season should be on evaluating the offense, finding ways to raise both its absolute quality and consistency. An off the cuff thought- the depth of this offense rises and falls with Ryan Ludwick. In 2008 he provided the necessary 3rd upper-tier offensive player to pair with Glaus and Pujols. In 2009, Ludwick’s struggles made the Cardinal offense concentrated first on Pujols and after the mid-season trades, on Pujols and Holliday. Off-season evaluation should focus on a way to add two quality bats to pair with Albert. Holliday can be part of this pair. It is unclear whether Ryan Ludwick should be. Mark DeRosa is not the type of offensive player (certainly not after a wrist injury at 34) who can fill the need and therefore should not be resigned.
Sadly the fact that DeRosa is hitting the ball all over the park in this series
means we will probably over pay for him especially if Holliday doesn’t resign.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
sadly I think they were going to do that anyway.
the perils of the man stew. when, to a man, the team says they love this guy (and there are other contracts being negotiated besides his), I think we’d be stuck with him anyway.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I can hear the meeting now..
Mo: Well the numbers we have show that we could spend our money smarter going another way.
TLR: But he plays multiple positions
Mo: Tony if we pay him what he wants we won’t be able to address some of the bullpen problems
TLR: But he plays multiple positions. So that money will solve our problem at first, third, second, and the corner outfield spots.
Mo: We have a problem at first???
TLR: He plays multiple positions and I’m a genius. Either sign him or I’ll take my ball and go home. While you’re at it GET OF MY LAWN… mutters all these kids and their voodoo numbers… I go from the gut the way real baseball men do things.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
yeah, pretty much.
reposting myself:
Does anyone else think that APu casually remarked to Mo
"Hey Mo. This one. He’s funny. I like him. Look, he makes Colby smile." and then the front office proceeded to freak out?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Haha
I have this mental picture of Albert standing in front of a big board of free agents and potential trade targets, sorting through the name like Phil Hartman at the end of “The Cane” in Newsradio.
“Here’s one you can take right now. This one you can break later. Here is one for the Hamptons. This one I like; I keep. This one displeases me. "
I love that show, that character, and specifically that scene.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
This post makes me look forward to
Offseason plays in One Act.
…Though I hope they don’t start coming for another month.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I'm going to try to find all the little scenes
one of my many missions this winter. spants had some good ones.
of course, easier said than done. the only ones of mine I recall are Piñeiro and Smoltz talking about run support, and Ludwick teaching Ank how to draw a walk.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Just don't swing......
Classic VEB right there.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
I try.
laughing > crying
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It's difficult to see which is larger
the Cards’ meltdown in the 9th yesterday or the meltdown by Cards’ fans everywhere (particularly at the p-d). Bad loss. It happened. We don’t need to get over it but the team does. The Astros had a bigger meltdown in the playoffs in 2005 and got over it after a day off by an extremely well-pitched game by Roy Oswalt. We’ve got Pineiro going Saturday and we can get over yesterday’s loss w/ a well-pitched game from JP. It’s as simple as that.
I'm not ready to write them off
If Franklin is out of the picture as closer. In fact, I’d be strangely optimistic going forward without that spectre hanging over the late innings. Of course, I don’t expect Tony to tip his hat in that respect in the slightest before the situation calls for it.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I am
And Franklin is not the reason to write-off the remainder of the season. It is because the Card’s offense has been horrible been poor for the past month. In all of the excitement over August, everyone should remember that the Cards played a pretty easy slate of games which (not surprisingly) coincided with terrific pitching and good hitting. The Dodgers are not the Pirates or Padres. The Dodgers are a better team and a in a better position to exploit the team’s flaws. With such an inconsistent offense against a good team, the Card’s aren’t winning 3 straight.
Just remember part of that beautiful August run
included taking two out of three from the Dodgers in LA.
Yes, but
The two wins were Carpenter and Wainwright starts. Plus, Franklin got the saves in the two wins.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Certinaly the August run
included taking 2 out of 3 in LA. In total the Cards scored 9 runs in 3 games, winning two games by a 3-2 score (each started by Carp and Wainwright). The Dodgers scored 11 runs, winning the middle game of the set by a score of 7-3. The Cards were out-scored overall in the series 11-9. I hardly think that the outcome of the series is much of a reason for optimism.
I see Albert being Mr. Clutch on Saturday
The big guy is not going down without a fight.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
I agree. The Dodgers did what they were supposed to - win two games at home.
Lets match that this weekend. Get to game 5 with Wainwright.
We have what, 21 hits and 5 runs to show for it? Let’s hope for some mean regression.
Free Milton
The 21 hits
helps proves how unlucky we are right now. We only averaged a little over 7 and a half hits per game when we beat the dodgers 5 of 7 times this season. A little regression to the mean for our luck and we can still salvage a couple games at home. In the meantime maybe the GOBs will forgive us for whatever we did to piss them off and let us compete in LA for game 5.
It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great.
I feel like one of the Dodgers series earlier this season had a similar discrepancy
Except it was the Dodgers who had so many more hits than runs. Maybe this is karmic balance.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
True.
But dude, the advantage that would have been had by being tied 1-1 with two games at home is gone. Winning this game was our (capital C) Chance, barring a GOB miracle 3-straight-wins. That chance slipped away when a baseball punched Matt Holliday in the nuts.
A positive of WHEN the drop happened
Was that if the game had ended with the drop, we would have been tortured by endless replays of it for the rest of our life.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's how it could be done -
JoseO: Hey, Jo-el, I got a call from back home last night.
Pineiro: Oh, yeah, what’s new?
JoseO: Yeah, everyone in the PR hates you. They think you suck.
Pineiro: What?!? How could they disrespect me like that? I’ll show them! (walks away muttering to himself)
I've said it before, but
I think that whenever Jo-El is struggling, Yadi should just walk out to the mound and tell Jo-El how much fun the WBC was this year, or tell him his favorite thing about the WBC, or how nice of a guy Ian Snell is.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Oct 9, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
ode to last night's game
Two things I have loved
Most of my life
Cardinal baseball, and my wife
But over the years
I have come to see
That both of them sometimes
Shit on me
by ridgesee on Oct 9, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like you're into some freaky stuff there...
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Oct 9, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the Award for Best Reply of the Thread goes to....
by RollBirdsRoll on Oct 9, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you thank you...
I’d like to thank my parents. Without their love and support none of this would have been poss… errr what’s that? Not talking about me??? Alright. Well I’m gonna let domination finish but I just want to say that I had one of the best replies ever.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
lighten up
Nothing freaky, just saying you can’t take baseball seriously. You can love it and follow it but in the scheme of things it is not that important. I am happy when the Cards win and I just laugh and go when they loose.
Same with my second love, my wife. If she get mad at me or pouts or something, I don’t let it bother me. I just give her a hug and go on.
All that moaning and groaning on last night thread was silly. I had a good laugh reading it. I used to really moap when the cards lost, but that was 40 years ago.
Hope the Cards come back, but if not, I’ll just watch the other two best teams compete.
No matter what team you pull for, that’s what you are going to have to do most years anyway.
Don’t take life seriously, just take your soul and what comes after life seriously and you’ll be better contented. Everything else will work itself out.
It was meant as a heyo...
I must have missed the target on that one.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
A message from the GOBs(?)
Last night my poor fiancee entered the house to find her betrothed sitting on the floor staring vacantly at the wall (I may have had one shoe off, reminiscent of the tennis scene from “The Royal Tenenbaums”). She asked what had happened and I tried my best to explain it, for you see she knows next to nothing about baseball.
So there I was, struggling to explain the situation to someone who was being introduced to baseball concepts such as the NLDS, 9th inning walkoffs, etc., all while trying to stay rational and hold back my flood of emotions like a ricketty levee.
“So if they lose one more time, they don’t get to play any more?”
“Yes. No more baseball until next year.”
(singing)“The heat is on!”
Keep in mind that she knows nothing about baseball, nothing about the Cardinals and has never lived anywhere near St. Louis. Why she found that song to be appropriate at that exact time is curious to say the least.
Therefore, I take it as a message from the GOBs. Don’t give up hope.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 9, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 16 recs
marry her.
god dammit you marry her.
vegas = 20 hour drive.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Or a three and a half hour flight.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
wonderful!
rec’d and rec’d and rec’d
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
That's a wonderful story.
Thanks for sharing.
I hope we fulfill our role as Maverick…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
had she said "Tudor... let's go!", however
I think you might have to reconsider some things.
by Expatcardfan on Oct 9, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a very similar experience last night
My wife got home just after the game, but her scene was a little different….
- Cable remote in a thousand pieces next to the wall
- Bottle of wine in one hand, phone full of text messages from fucking Cubs fans in the other.
- On headset cursing Holliday to my Dad (who’s a Twins fan) over the phone.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
The Astros fans I know blew me up last night after the game
That pissed me off even more than the game, I think.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
There are.
They are football fans who can’t get Texans tickets.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
FYP
They are football fans who can’t get Texans tickets. can’t afford Cowboys tickets.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
You don't understand the Houston - Dallas relationship.
Even without a team, Houstonians did not jump on the Cowboys’ bandwagon.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
+100
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Cubs fan (no need to be judgemental here)
I find myself relating to this. I have had the same discussion with my wife. Funny, it has happened the past two years. I’ve had that same shell-shocked response with the thousand mile stare myself…especially last year and against the same team. Definition of irony?
"There is no tomorrow for you, and that makes you very dangerous people."--Jimmy McGinty (Gene Hackman) The Replacements
Time is an illusion--lunch time doubly so.
Some differences here
The Cubs last year had one of the best offenses in the league all season, then totally disappeared in the first round of the playoffs. Our offense has been in the bottom half of the NL for most of the year, even after the acquisition of Holliday, and our offense limped into the postseason with a pretty bad September. We didn’t expect to score a lot of runs, but we’ve put 20+ men on base and have exactly 5 runs to show for it over the first two games.
All year we’ve been led by our starting pitching, the best in the league. If you’d have told a Cardinal fan that Carpenter would get beaten by Randy Wolf prior to Wednesday night, and that Carp would hit a batter, walk a few, and give up more than 10 hits in 6 innings of work, we’d have laughed at you.
L.A. pitching dominated the Cubs offense last year in that division series. They’re pitching hasn’t been dominant the first two games of this series, our below league average offense just hasn’t been able to score runs when given opportunities.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I'm not arguing
that the Cubs completely disappeared last year against the Dodgers, I’m just sayin’ the parallel is there. Each leading unit for both teams hasn’t done its job. Check that…giving credit where its due, Wainwright had it going on last night. I would argue you could lay this at TL’s feet. Wainwright should have been given the opportunity to close out the game last night—LA couldn’t do anything against him all night. Stick with the hot hand.
"There is no tomorrow for you, and that makes you very dangerous people."--Jimmy McGinty (Gene Hackman) The Replacements
Time is an illusion--lunch time doubly so.
Did you miss the whole eighth inning?
He got in trouble and was seriously starting to labor a bit. Lost his control. Going to the pen was the right decision. Miller is the toughest lefty in the league and Ethier can’t hit lefties, Manny hasn’t done shit in this series, and Franklin got Loney to fly out to Holliday hit a ball right at a fielder that should have ended the game.
I love Wainwright, but I don’t want him facing Ethier and Manny when he’s out of gas with a one run lead in the ninth.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
In hindsight, Miller should have just closed it out.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Haha. +1 and rec'd
I have a good feeling about this - Ben Crenshaw, in a press conference on the night of Sept. 25, 1999. The American Ryder Cup team was down 4 points and came back and won the following day. It was, and still is, the largest comeback in Ryder Cup history.
Let's get it together boys, and let's shock the world!
win tomorrow
We win tomorrow and then have carp go on short rest sunday and then we got waino for game 5. This things not over.
After sleeping on it, I thought about the 2004 WS.
I’m still mad at Holliday and Franklin, but perspective has set in. The team actually hit lefthanded pitching, just not well enough. Carpenter grinded through his start, and Wainwright sparkled.
Padilla, not Newcombe or Drysdale or Hershisher is pitching on Saturday. And Billingsley or Wolf is scheduled for Sunday.
One game at a time, and I still like the chances Saturday.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
Game 3
It’s tough to find the words to describe how I feel right now, and I’m sure the players feel the same way. I think I’ve been more frustrated watching these two games than any other back-to-back games in recent memory. Holliday with the bat on his shoulder in Game 1. Holliday dropping the ball in Game 2. It’s easy to forget his home run last night, especially in the face of a quiet offense, with those darker images looming. In the end I feel the worst for Wainwright, as he’s had two well-pitched games result in losses for the team in consecutive starts.
In the end, I’m going to pray that the sea of red comes floodingg over the Dodgers in St. Louis and carries us back to LA for a Game 5. Despite how frustrated I am right now, I’ll still put on my rally cap and root for the mojo of Christy Mathewson to help Piñeiro put on ground ball laden show Saturday. I’m probably just waxing poetic, but here’s hoping I can continue to do so well into October.
Solid post, DanUpBaby, helps the day to get moving.
Red Means Go.
How awesome was Adam Wainwright yesterday?
That performance was epic. He was the fabled TLR “Hero PItcher” of lore. He set the tone in the first inning, after a very disheartening 1-2-3 inning by the first third of our lineup. He looked like an emotionless assassin, dropping curves where he pleased and riffling two-seamers on the black. It was a joy to watch.
In the eighth inning, I got a text from my friend who is huge baseball fan, but, being from New Hampshire, he is a Red Sox fan. The text read, “when is the genius tlr going to take him out?” I responded, “after he gets the third out and the cards sprint into the dugout up 2-1.” This is the bravado that Wagmonmaker inspires. He had nothing left, was running on fumes. He was missing with location regularly. You didn’t need a pitch count to know that Wainwright was tired, but you also needed to have watched him for three years to know that the third out would be had with the Cardinals in the lead.
Maybe it was luck and maybe clutchiness isn’t real, but Adam Wainwright gave us a tremendously clutch start yesterday. I am still smarting from having my heart ripped out of my chest by Matt Holliday and stomped on by Ryan Franklin, who erased from the collective memory of Cardinal Nation the great performances of our future ace, starting his first playoff game, and our future All-Star center fielder, starting in his second playoff game.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Unfortunately, this start will be scrubbed from most fans' consciousness
Much like Matt Morris’ two brilliant starts against Curt Schilling in 2001—incidentally, this was the last playoffs season we had a closer this unreliable.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It became good sport to rag on Izzy,
but he was nails for us in 2002 (1.75 FIP!), 2003 (2.98 FIP even though we didn’t make the playoffs), 2004 (3.02 FIP), and 2005 (3.60 FIP). Franklin was actually better this year than Isringhausen was in 2005, but Izzy’s K rate (7.78 to 6.49) was higher, and that was the problem last night. Ryan Franklin is incapable of striking out Casey Blake. Watching our Pitch-to-Contact Closer was excrutiating—nibbling at the corners, foul balls, walks, and base hits.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Izzy had two down years with the team
Where most of the ragging occured, but he didn’t factor into the playoffs in those years (06, 08). Though he had his shaky moments in the other seasons, he never had an extended stretch of trouble like Franklin had since August without getting shut down.
I agree on the Blake at-bat. I don’t actually think he was pitching to him after the first pitch. He got the check swing call, and then threw nothing but balls.
by olddomination on Oct 9, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The feeling of 06 Izzy was awful...
I went to the Tigers interleague series. The Cards were up in the Saturday game and some of the Tiger fans around me were leaving and congratulated me on the game. I told them they might want to stick around because Izzy would come in and blow it. I don’t like having that feeling again. My friend who’s a casual Trolley Dodger fan last nite was trying to cheer me up saying the series isn’t over yet. After the first two games she couldn’t convince me there’s a chance in hell they Cardinals pull out Game 3… I don’t like living like this…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Franklin last night
Per the Fungoes Twitter Feed:
In 23 pitches last night, Franklin got only 1 swinging strike, and that was a check swing.
The questionable check swing called on Blake was Franklin’s lone swinging strike last night. Wow. That’s disheartening.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that's partially on de posters...
who have been constantly writing about “Franklin’s suckiness”. the thinker has to take some responsibility for the creation he has co-authored, right? i’d like this to stop, because it doesn’t add to the baseball discussion
Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008... ok, let's do it in 2009
$4m unnecessary extension ALLLLRIIITTEEEE!!!!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 9, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree whole-heartedly.
That Blake at-bat was tough to watch, and indicative of the problem Franklin’s had in the latter part of the season.
eff, no.
I dunno about anyone else, but I learned my lesson with Chris Carpenter. I don’t take any of those Adam Wainwright starts for granted. None.
Many many years from now, I will be lying in bed thinking about that 12-6 curveball and I wiil still feel chills.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
So will Carlos Beltran...
/attempting to think happy thoughts
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I don't think his fangraphs will be going the same way as mine.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Bad luck in the 7th
So there was lots of bad luck to go around in Games 1 and 2, but Corey Rainbow was particularly unlucky when he got thrown out at 3rd base in the 7th inning on his double. I didn’t watch the game with sound (and was around to read the game thread), but did the final analysis (by anyone) focus on the awesome play Loney made to cut off Furcal’s throw?
There was no doubt about it, Furcal was throwing home. Loney jumped in the air to cut it off when he saw DeRosa was going to be safe. I saw the TBS replays of LaRussa whacking his hat in anger, and they showed Rasmus talking to various guys in the dugout. Rasmus was probably saying “Furcal was throwing home!”.
I’m just curious to hear what the conventional wisdom and analyzers had to say. It should have been full credit to Loney for an awesome play, and there should have been none of the “Never get thrown out at 3rd base” CW nonsense.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
he's done that before
but I think it may have also been to draw the throw to him. which it did. Colby is one of the only guys on the team with the speed to make that work.
it’s one of those split-second decisions that almost always works with Albert. except when it doesn’t. the difference is, Albert doesn’t end up in the doghouse over it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I wonder if TLR
had the same reaction when Holliday took the nut shot or Franklin couldn’t get anybody out? Sady, we will probably see Ank the Stank in game three.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
If Tony benches Rasmus
against a right handed starter after those first two games, I’ll be the first one calling for his head. He’s the only guy that’s played well in both the first two games, and that baserunning mistake wasn’t a “mistake”, it was just a great play by Loney.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Heh. I think you'll be 2,337th person
The line starts over there. Or over here. I waffle sometimes.
I wanna be first!
Or me and RasmusGirl can share first.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Loney
had to go high in the air to cut off that throw to home. It was just a great play on Loney’s part. Nobody could see it coming. Certainly Rasmus couldn’t have read it or Oquendo for that matter.
Oquendo
was winding him and hadn’t thrown up the stop sign, so it’s just as much SP’s fault if TLR was pissed off as it was Colby’s.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Nonsense.....
It was a mistake. I’m not saying bench him, but you can’t defend him on that. The only, the ONLY way you attempt to take 3rd on that play is if there is 100%, no chance of being thrown out.
Yes, Loney made a good play, but that is what professional ball players do. Doesn’t excuse Colby, who should have been standing on 2nd base.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
so you ignore your coach telling you to get to 3rd
really?
and if he doesnt run and derosa gets thrown out on a close play at home?
I've yet to see any proof that Oquendo was waiving him.....
I’ve also watched the Cards run the bases all year, and none of them pick up Oquendo and follow his signs. To a man, they go and stop as they see fit.
Show me where Colby was only looking at Oquendo, and didn’t know where the ball was, and show me where Oquendo was waiving him on, and I’ll agree that Colby wasn’t at fault.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
I sure am glad that Rasmus had such a great game yesterday and in Game 1.
That double was so clutch. It gave us the lead. I’m just really bummed that Holliday making one of the worst blunders in Cardinal history and Ryan Franklin showing his true stripes ruined the memory of Wainwright’s first postseason start, which was so much fun to watch, and Rasmus’ clutch performance in Game 2. Really, if you think about it, Rasmus has been our most consistent player in this series. He’s been terrific.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Show me the proof that he ran through a stop sign
your gut feeling about whether people ignore the 3b coach is really irrelevant.
Of course he was watching the ball
that’s what you’re supposed to do when the play is in front of you. Furcal was throwing home, no doubt about it. If the ball gets through Loney he gets to third base easily. Loney made a fantastic play to come up with the throw (if it’s Boog throwing that there’s no way he even has a chance to cut it off, Furcal has a cannon and that ball was on a line) and get Rasmus at 3rd base. You tip your cap and move on. I’d rather we play aggressive baseball like that than the opposite.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
colby made the first out of the inning.
sure would have sucked if he’d stopped at second, only gotten one sac fly in the inning and only advanced to third, when he would have been advancing to home if he’d gone to third.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Pitcher's spot coming up
they would have sac’d him to third and Lugo would have had a chance to drive him in with the infield in.
I can see this side of the argument, and the old coaches adage is:
Don’t make the first out of the inning at 3rd base
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
The only reason he had a chance at 3rd base
is because he hit the ball of the base of the fence, AGAINST ONE OF THE BEST LEFT HANDED PITCHERS IN BASEBALL.
He’s been the lone bright spot in both of the first two games, if he gets benched for that mistake in Game 3 against a right handed starter for Rick Ankiel, who hasn’t done shit in the entire second half of the season, then Tony deserves criticism and we deserve to lose, because we’re not putting the best players on the field trying to win the game. The postseason is not the time to punish players for making mistakes. If he benches Rasmus, he better bench Holliday as well, because that mistake was a whole lot more relevant to losing the game.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I totally disagree with this
Franklin did his job. He got the player to put the ball in play and hit it right at someone, only that someone did not make the play. All of those runs are unearned because of that mistake, because it would have ended the inning. Sure, maybe Jon Papelbon strikes out the next hitter and gets out of it, but saying that Franklin is more to blame is just flat out wrong. You expect the outs to be made when you make a pitch and they hit it right at someone.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
and that little detail of
it worked every other time he induced a fly out.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and to be fair
while the hung curve to belly was definitely on Franklin, loretta swung at a good pitch, almost over his head. That swing really should have resulted in a popup to boog.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Was thinking the same thing
Albert pulls that stuff off, somehow.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
Having a career 1.000+ OPS
gets you a lot of latitude when you fuck up. Unless you’re head grows 6 hat sizes in two years and you’re surly with everyone, and even then it still gives you a lot of latitude, lol
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I thought the same thing
I don’t know….I thought there was going to be a fairly close play at the plate and I don’t think it is an awful play to try to take the extra base there. I think with 1 out it is slightly better than 0 or 2. Wainwright can handle the bat pretty well and there is a decent chance he could have brought him home from 3rd.
I’m not saying it was a particularly good idea, but I don’t think it was an awful one either. Probably closer to a gray area than either extreme.
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There may have been a close play at the plate
But Furcal’s throw was high and way up the line. The throw wouldn’t have gotten him.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
I don't blame Rasbot at all
since it was Jose telling him to go and it took an awesome cutoff to get him.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Has it been determined if Oquendo was waving him on?
I agree with Merry CRasmus though. Go or no go = no real problem either way.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
it was just good team defense
They hit their cutoff men, Furcal didn’t try to sail one to the plate but instead kept it low enough that there could be a cut, and I’m sure there was good on the field communication telling Loney to cut the throw and go to third with it. Good teams make good fundamental plays like that. There’s a reason the Dodgers are in the playoffs.
you do realize the 6 foot 3 inch Loney had to jump out of his shoes to cut that off yes?
it wasnt a routine cut that led to colby being out. it was a damn good play that he almost beat anyway…
I was really, really pissed last night...
But as I think about this AM, I think about all the fun this team has given me througout the year, all the great memories, including my incredible trip to new Busch for the first time ( thanks to Garrett, Dan McL and Al H. for the pregame field and dugout visit and the 5 innings in the booth…awesome experience!) this has been an incredibly fun team to ride along with. And we will be for a while, I think.
As bad as I felt, I’ll bet that Matt and Ryan felt even worse. I sincerely hope that the fans in St.L Saturday give them the welcome they deserve and don’t boo them or any such cubbie like shit.
So, to borrow from the Big Book of Baseball Cliches’ , I’ll tip my cap to the Dodgers, they capitalized on a mistake and made the plays when they had to. That and it ain’t over til it’s over.
I’ll be pulling for our beloved Redbirds with all I have Saturday, and win or lose I’ll still wear my Cardinal Red and wear it with pride, and anyone don’t like it can kiss my tailfeathers.
This doesn’t mean I won’t curse like a sailor with Tourrette’s if we lose…LOL
how dare you pay Dan and Al a compliment!
;)
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Horrible, horrible loss. BUT
we still have Pineiro-Carp-Waino left. When Pineiro wins game 3, you (majority of Cards fans) are saying that they would bet against Carp & Waino to win 2 straight? I wouldnt. This series reminds me of the NLCS in 96 when we were up 3-1 but they had Glavine-Maddux-Smoltz left in their chamber. We are going to win this series.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Must resist
the temptation to start Carp and/or Wainer on short rest. According to b-r neither has ever started a game on 3 days rest in their MLB careers. While you can point to isolated instances of short rest success, it is much more often a bad idea. Neither is a sinker ball pitcher and those are the most likely to succeed on short rest. Plus, the primary advantage the Dodgers have over us is their bullpen and pitching starters on short rest just means more bullpen innings.
I don’t think we have much choice but to hope for a CG from JP, a combined effort of Smoltz and Lohse in game 4, and a fully rested Carp for game 5 with Wainer as the closer.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
by giveml on Oct 9, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree. I would push the limits on those two but I can see where you could be hesitant.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Im going to disagreee
Ok. Carpenter wasn’t lights on on Wednesday. And he hasn’t pitched on short rest before.
However; Give me Carpenter on short rest any day of 95% of the pitchers in the League. That includes old Smoltz and Lohse.
+100
Desperation hardly ever works. If TLR had pulled Carp for a pinch-hitter and kept his pitch count at 70something instead of 105, maybe starting him on 3 days rest would be a good idea, but not this way.
Look, Smoltz/Lohse is a better bet than Billingsley at this point in the season.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 9, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Push push push
Even a couple innings of either guy is worth it. The alternatives of Smoltz and Lohse have are not a better option than a 3-day rested Carpenter or Waino.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
The alternatives
are a better option than a 3-day rested pitcher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Waino wouldn't be on short rest in game 5.....
with the two off days, he’d be on normal rest.
I say start Carp in game 4, and have the pen ready. Tell him to grind out 4, 5, maybe 6 innings, and we’ll try to do the rest with the pen.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
Im not going to the game Saturday - I live in NY
but to those who are – please give Holliday a standing ovation. We need his bat to bounce back for the rest of this series and in the NLCS.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I'll be there doing my best to root on the team.
My immediate comment once I stopped spewing un-momup words was to tell Danup I was selling my tickets, buying booze and drinking until next season. Then I remembered I don’t drink. My little Danup talked me down from the ledge and reminded the season wasn’t over and how much the team has accomplished. I’ll be there Saturday and hope I have the opportunity to be there Sunday too. Go Cards!
Yay momup!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
The thing I've enjoyed more than anything else this postseason
Is watching Rasmus at the plate. Every time he’s been up there I’ve gotten the feeling that something good is going to happen.
Agreed
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 9, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He's had *great* PAs
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A good buddy of mine likes to remark that a true baseball fan must be able to lose.
He takes it even further; perhaps teaching us to lose is what baseball is for.
I like this thought in general, but that’s as far as I’m willing to go with it. I don’t want to get too authentic right now, in a Heideggerian sense. After a brief period of stunned silence and shock last night, I snapped out of it and decided that we are not two games in the hole with our season probably over (the fine single malt helped a lot with this development); rather, we Cardinals find ourselves striving for a unique goal, to win three games in a row. And it can be done. If a cartoon coyote runs off a cliff, he just kinda keeps going until he looks down. So why look down? Screw that. Let’s win Saturday and keep going.
For inspiration I would like to direct you all to this fantastic collection of motivational posters, based upon a shining examplar of “give ’em hell” style kick-assery and derring-do, the one and only Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i find dispair.com better for motiviation....
cause nothing says “loser” more than a poster saying how much you are a winner :-)
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
This is my favorite
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Link Fail!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
This is what I'm talking about, people
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
They had to have that game
we’re pretty well done now, and here’s why:
- If Pineiro throws a gem in game 3 and the offense wakes up, Tony will for sure go to Carp on short rest in Game 4, instead of Lohse/Smoltz, like he should.
- Carp is not good on short rest and he wasn’t sharp in game one. They should save him for Game 5 because Smoltz/Lohse gives the Cardinals a better chance to win.
- The lack of faith in the rest of the starters by management will be our undoing in Game 4.
I also have little faith that this offense is going to score more than 2 runs in any of these games. They can’t string together base hits, Pujols is really struggling, and our bench is full of a bunch of guys that can be pitched to.
A couple of other things caught me this morning while I was getting ready for work:
- So Taguchi catches that ball.
- If the Cards get put to bed on Saturday for the sweep, I don’t see any way Matt Holliday comes back to St. Louis now. I was 50/50 before, but I don’t see him wanting to walk into Busch now after the nut-shot heard ’round the Arch.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Agree 100% on Holliday. I think he's a goner if the Cards dont win this series.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Let me be more clear on that last point....
I think he needs a Standing Ovation when he’s announced on Saturday, and another one when he walks up to his first plate appearance. The best thing that could happen is for the home fans to show him support — hell, it might even spark the rest of the team.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Said the same thing above. A standing ovation is in order for this team.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
the way everybody is getting all touchy feely
i thought you said ovulation.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I think Fourstick was referring to So as a defensive replacement.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Yes, I was
I guess I didn’t make that very clear, but in ‘06 there’s no way Holliday is in LF in that spot, Tony would have lifted him for So in the top of the ninth when he brought Franklin in.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Billy Wagner might disagree
:)
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
God bless So Taguchi.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree and disagree
My whole issue here is that $100m players, or players whose agents say they are $100m players, don’t make that damn mistake.
But that won’t matter – he’ll still ask for $100m.
I think, in the end, I’d prefer to keep him.
So...
you are against paying Matt Holliday $150MM to play LF for 8 years?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Heh. I've probably been against 8 years
from the get go.
I've been against...6...5...and tentative on 4.
Obviously, Joe Strauss is glad I’m not the GM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
unless i missed something
the current stance on “stringing together hits” isn’t a repeatable team skill.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Not in it's literal form, it isn't
But the Dodgers have done a good job of putting the ball in play the first two games with runners in scoring position, and that’s why they’ve won both games. The Cardinals had the leadoff hitter on in three different innings last night, and only once did that man end up scoring. A baserunner leading of an inning scores around 45% of the time, and the Dodgers have done a better job at plating runs against our pitching than we have against theirs. We’ve had Pujols struggling, but Manny hasn’t done anything for them. Their lineup is simply better from top to bottom than ours, and they’ve taken better AB’s. Those are repeatable skills.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
until the 9th last night
the dodgers had been just as bad as we were w/ LOBsters and hitting in scoring position. Wagonmaker just didnt give them anyone on base to strand last night
Had we made good on driving in runs earlier in the game
It’s 3-1 or 4-1 going to the ninth.
They haven’t been “as bad” because they’ve outscored us and are up 2 game to none.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
well lets just agree to say that dodger fans werent exactly in love w/ their offense either....
but its true you only need to score 1 more run than the other team
over a small sample size, timely hitting (i.e., luck) is much better than
talented hitting. funkeec’s point, i think, was that the dodgers happened to get more timely hits.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I don't think timely hitting and talented hitting are opposed.
Your post sort of implies this, no?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
if it does, it wasn't my intent.
last night, the cards got 10 hits, the dodgers got 5. the dodgers scored more runs, because those hits came at the right times.
the other day they got 12 hits, we got 11. they scored two runs more than we did.
my point was to say that the extent to which the result in a small sample size (one game) is much more dependent on luck than on talent.
talent sure doesn’t hurt, though its real benefit isn’t necessarily seen in the results unless over a larger sample size.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Yeah, totally agree.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Actually, that was my point
And I think that the better hitters you have in your lineup you’re going to get more “timely” hits.
He’s saying that timely hitting isn’t related to talent, and I would disagree with that.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Timely hitting is just lucky hit distribution.
Talented hitting is more hits, so more hits to distribute=higher likelihood of them occurring in streaks.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
No....
Kyle sighting?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I suggest mutiny.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Either that or we create a schedule,
so that things become frequent and regular.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
The problem is whenever I have a good idea for an article
I usually publish it at THT, cause… you know, they have like 20 times more readers per day.
Just publish a lamer version on DM.
It’ll be like Sky with BtB and Fangraphs.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Better analogy:
It’ll be like HP and every blog on the internet.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Also, sort of.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php?author=2
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
While this is probably true
I think that if you have a team of hitters that take good at bats and work counts you’re going to have more timely hitting. In this series that clearly favors the Dodgers, and it really has over the first two games of the series.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
This was sort of pre-bunked,
when Tom posted the hit totals for both teams.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 9, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for "pre-bunked"
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
just for the record, i didnt have a problem with the your post in general
just the 1st line: But the Dodgers have done a good job of putting the ball in play the first two games with runners in scoring position, and that’s why they’ve won both games.
to which i was pointing out in game 1 they were about as bad as we were with runners on. they did seem to have more chances which has been pointed out is probably due to a better lineup in general
Thinking about Carp in Game 4 on short rest makes me cringe.
Not only will he likely be ineffective, but the risk of injuring him is terrifying to me. Should we be lucky enough to force a Game 4, I pray that Smoltz gets the start. After all, he is the most Proven Veteran in his postseason clutchiness.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
smoltz starting with loshe on immediate standby or even take over
3rd time through the order. I’d be happy with that. Give 110%, let the chips fall where they may, I’m just glad to be associated with such fine individuals.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
"The shot heard round the world"
Not Bobby Tomson’s 1951 play off home run but Mat Holliday’s 2009 playoff nut shot. Tis indeed a sad day for him.
Why save Carp for game 5
When Waino would be on normal rest that day?
If we go with Lohse/Smoltz in game 4, I want Waino in game 5, not Carp.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
How do you know Carp isn't good on short rest?
He’s never actually pitched before on short rest. Even if that takes 1 run/9 off of his performance, he’s still better than Smoltz or Lohse.
This might be an extension of the idea that Carp has been even better than usual on extra rest
I remember someone around here debunking that as a SSS issue recently, but I can’t seem to find it.
Is one run per nine a reasonable expectation? I couldn’t find anything online in my quick googling other than a subscription only BP article suggesting 80% effectiveness on short rest.
by brackenthebox on Oct 9, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone put up stats of him pitching on short rest
a few weeks ago when this was being discussed. They weren’t good.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
They were SSS.
TLR was quoted as saying he would consider it.
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/mlb/Chris_Carpenter/573893
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
That's true
but it’s all we have to go on. Smoltz’s stats in the postseason are SSS as well, but they’re a lot better than Carp on 3 days rest. Obviously he hasn’t pitched in the postseason as a starter in a while, but I really do feel better about a well rested Smoltz than I do a short-rested Carpenter.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
how about a platoon?
of all the crazy moves Tony might make, I am dying to see that one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=carpech01&year=Career&t=p#dr
He’s never started on short rest before.
Now is the time to try it.
After all the surgeries…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Okayy...
Got any proof that pitching in short rest causes more injuries? Even if they did, do those increased odds outweigh the upgrade he gives us over Smoltz/Lohse?
No.
I don’t have any such evidence, but do I want to run an experiment on it with Chris Carpenter, who is under contract for two more seasons for $14.5MM and $15MM respectively? No. No, I don’t.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
To me,
I’m too uncertain as to how well Carp will pitch and how un/likely he is to get injured. I’m pretty sure he won’t be that good. And, if he’s Game 1 not good (as I suspect he might be on short rest), then I’d rather have Smoltz start, all things considered.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the likelihood that we will be in this situation again,
say, next season or the season after is pretty high, and we’ll need Carp for those sorts of things, I think it’s definitely in our best interest to keep Carpenter healthy. A big gamble on a 4:1 shot at winning this series isn’t worth screwing us over for two years.
I think the problem is that it’s much less a big risk, big reward tradeoff than that. What’s the likelihood Carp gets injured because of this extra start? It doesn’t seem like it’s very high, and if the risk is only one in a hundred or some such, I’m all over that. A lot can happen between now and next fall, and there’s no guarantee that we’ll be in a similar situation in either of the next two seasons.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I don't think postseason stats are in there, unless I'm missing something
He has 278 regular season appearances, and the total number of games in that table adds up to 278.
by brackenthebox on Oct 9, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
they aren't
But I can’t find any 3 day starts in his postseason history either.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Unless I'm misremembering
someone put up stats for Carpenter on short rest not to long ago in one of the threads.
It was him and Wainwright, and if memory serves me Wainwright has never worked on three days rest before.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Well, it doesn't appear that he has ever started on short rest
The next question is how we should expect him to pitch if he was to start on short rest later in this series.
If I'm running him out there
I’m keeping Smoltz on standby, and probably warming him up by the 3rd or 4th inning.
FWIW, I think I favor starting Smoltz over starting Carp on short rest.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I think I might be too
Although I really have no idea how good Smoltz is right now, it could be anywhere from a 3.50 ERA to a 5.50 EAR (true talent level).
That's one of the big questions....
the other is which Carpenter are we going to get? If he was coming off a dominant 7 inning 2 hit performance I’d feel better about it, but he’s not.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I think that we should expect Carpenter, on full rest
To be a 2.5-3.5 ERA pitcher. However, on short rest, we don’t have much of an idea how good he will be either.
On short rest, most pitchers are not that much different than full rest.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
This may take a few minutes...
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Here's something, but I thought it was THT that did the study I'm thinking of.
http://www.baseball-analysis.com/article.php?articleid=2633
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Yeah, the problem is that I'd rather send Carp out there,
and have him be rusty and give the game away than send Smoltz out there and have him be rusty and give the game away, because it just seems less likely that Carp will do that and it would kill me to have him on the bench while Smoltz does it.
I’m torn, really, because I want to see Smoltz out there more than almost anyone else.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I've noted several times in the past that
neither Carp nor Waino has a mlb start on three days rest. Pineiro does and he didn’t do too well.
regarding "#1: So Taguchi catches that ball"
So catches that ball nine hundred and seventy three times out of one thousand, as compared to nine hundred and eighty times out of a thousand for holliday (stealing the poetic use of fielding percentage from danup’s introduction)… it’s not exactly “more likely” that he catches the ball than that MH catches the ball. I mean, it’s close to a sure thing for both that it’s silly to point to someother guy and say “he would have caught it”. Of course he would.
I can think of at least one time in a fairly similar situation that So Taguchi DIDN’T catch a fly ball. That play helped break our backs in 2007.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
he wants to keep playing baseball, I hear.
he looked like his old serviceable self in San Fran….
[ducks and covers]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I disagree
So would have charged it and put that ball away, not ended up in between trying to figure out which way to put his glove to make the catch and then take one off the cup. Does Holliday make that play the next time? Probably, but I never remember So missing a catch in 2006 or 2004 or 2002 that cost the Cardinals a game in the playoffs.
In the game you referenced, So played CF, not LF.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
of course he was in CF that game
and he had a routine fly ball bounce off his glove, clearing the bases in a game we lost by one run. But his career fpct was lower in LF than in CF. (can’t believe i’m reduced to quoting fcpt ;)
Anyway, it happens. It’s completely unpredictable. And it doesn’t mean Holliday is a bad fielder.
If you want a more apropos example, how about Albert’s error in the bottom of the 8th inning of game 2 of the 2002 NLDS, that basically allowed the tying run to score? We came back and won that game, but it could easily have gone the other way.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
okay, how about the eyeball test
Watching Ludwick play is like a clinic. The contrast is stark with Holliday, who was probably a month into his tenure before he could figure out the caroms back there. In a park where he’s played before, right?
I don’t think Holliday is a bad fielder. But he also has a history of taking bad routes, not getting it back in fast enough, missing the cut-off man. He’s basically let his athleticism (and the 3B and the shortstop) make up the difference, hence the same numbers as Luddy.
I don’t mind the lack of talent. It just bothers me that in all that time, there was almost no improvement in repeatable skills. Even Chris Duncan could manage improvement.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
This is what I'm talking about
He just doesn’t look good on fly balls. There was the fly ball in the gap where he and Ankiel nearly killed each other out on the warning track, and at Busch he’s really reluctant near the foul lines to go after balls, like he doesn’t know where the wall is or he’s trying to find the bullpen mound…..when the bullpen is behind the outfield fence.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
well, maybe...
It’s really hard to measure observation against expectations in an objective manner. I’ve been sad this year at how “average” I think my boy Luddy has looked in RF. He seems to have really lost a step since last year, when I thought he was on par with Ankiel and better than Schumaker in the OF. A lot of balls that I thought should be caught seemed to go over his head. And while they would have been “great” plays, I thought he was a great player, so it’s been disappointing.
OTOH, H has definitely been a disappointment, since by UZR he’s always been a “good” fielder, and he hasn’t appeared to be that in STL- to the eye, or to the computers. Though UZR thinks he’s been about as good in STL as Luddy, i agree that is probably a result of measurement error. he hasn’t really looked good at all. But, he hasn’t looked “bad”, either.
Luddy definitely has a much better arm, though. H’s arm is awful.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Okay, fine, I'll be the hopeless optimist.
Because this thing ain’t even close to over yet, friends. The Dodgers threw their two best starters at us (in LA, mind you), and only horrendous luck kept us from coming out of there with a split. Now we come home for two, and we get to hit against Vincente Padilla and Chad Billingsley. I think those two facts alone should give us some pretty good hope…that and the fact that, when this series goes back to LA for game 5, we’ll get Randy Wolf again, whom we, let’s face it, knocked around pretty well in the first game. This is reason for optimism.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Agree. The Dogers held serve
now it is time for the Cards to do the same. I will take my chances with Carp or Waino in Game 5 v Kershaw.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Won't even be Kershaw.
He’d have to go on short rest. And, no matter how good a 21-year-old pitcher is…if they’re going to throw him out there on short rest, for what I assume would be the first time in his career, I say yes, please.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Then I guess we'd better bash the living shit outta their starters this time around.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference
is that if they get 4 innings out of Padilla and Billingsley, they can hand it over to their fucking awesome bullpen. The Cardinals don’t have that option.
We knocked Wolf around in Game 1 and……….had 2 whole runs to show for it.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Billingsley, if they are even lucky enough to see him, can be a beast
he can be amazing & shut down a team like every ace in the bigs. no one should look forward to facing him.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Two thoughts
1. It would be pretty bad to lose game 3 and never have used Smoltz. There were a bunch of opportunities in yesterday’s game and I don’t see him starting game 4, so I’m unsure as to what they are trying to do with him
2. Rasmus is just going to be a monster. His future looks as bright as ever
One More thing about the game
This has probably been said numerous times but I am done with Ryan in the 2 hole.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
this.
I’m not big on lineup placements outside of stringing together your best hitters.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
K ladies, put your coach and chanel purses away
lets break up this circle of discussing our feelings.
This team = good.
Saturday = good.
Sunday = who cares until after Saturday.
Our minds are wired to drastically over estimate both the probability and impact of negative events. Still have a good offense (I don’t buy “timely hits”, I do buy loud outs and “game of inches”/babip) and pinata is on the mound with a fresh Smoltz in the pen and a good loogy combo.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Bingo.
We have been hitting both of these past two games, and haven’t had the results to show for it. I’m thinking back at home against demonstrably poorer pitchers than we’ve seen the past two nights is as good a time as any for the results to start catching up.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
refreshing perspective.
Muchas gracias – I will now walk away from my computer to start my workday with pleasant thoughts in my head.
Teams are supposed to win their games at home
We played well enough for most of our first two road games to steal the win we’d need, and didn’t.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Again, this is what collapsable comments were made for.
UGH.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That vertical line still causes nausea.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
Whether or notHolliday makes an error to blow the game
Averaging 2.5 runs a game in the series does not bode well at all. I just don’t understand what happened to the clutch factor. I remember the very first game Holliday played in when we scored about 8 runs, and everyone was excited and saw this as a sign of things to come. What happened to hitting the runner in, why we can’t close out games, key word close. Why can’t Albert hit like he did when he carried the entire team on his back in the early months? It seems illogical.
I know that we wish the Cardinals could just flip that switch and be that great team we saw back in that first game with Holliday, but somethiing just feels wrong with this team, and i can’t seem to figure it out.
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
we've got three wins in us here.
pinero is obviously capable of having a good start against the dodgers whose offense—let’s be honest here—sucks about as much as ours does lately. we win saturday, and carp comes back on short rest. carp is a beast. carp does NOT have two shaky outings in a row. wainer comes back on short rest for game four, and we all know how wainer does. by now our offense—namely, albert and holliday—have sorted themselves out, and we win the series. it’s going to happen this way.
who’s with me?
"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre
careful on the sucky dodgers offense
They have 4 guys OPS+ing over 118.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
true story, but
this is october; i get remarkably optimistic in october.
"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre
With you in spirit
I think game 3 is ours. Game 4 I want Smoltz to give us 6 solid innings with Lohse parking. Game 5 – Christopher “You’re Fucking Out, and I’m Fucking In” Carpenter, with Waino ready to go at the first sign of trouble.
Free Milton
not a bad call there.
"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre
I'd prefer Carp in Game 4
Let Smoltz or Lohse have ‘first sign of trouble’ duty for Carpenter. I know that neither Carpenter or Wainwright have much of a record on 3 days rest, but is a 3-day rested Carpenter worse than a fully-rested Lohse or Smoltz?
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
I wish this might happen,
but it won’t even though it should. Sadly, there is little chance that TLR, with the Cards’ collective back against the wall, does not trot out Carp on 3-days rest. I worry that he’ll be ineffective, get hurt, or both.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Last night was unbearable
Throughout Waino’s amazing dominance I was so comfortable with a one run lead, but as soon as he was gone I became filled with doubt. After the game, I talked to my girl who is, sadly, a cubs fan. She was surprisingly nice in my moment of frustration. Usually she doesn’t miss her shots, and neither do I, but this reminded me that there are some things more important than baseball…
until Saturday
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Notable reading
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I'm sorry, what?
After that, Casey Blake came up. ‘Dunc’ came out and told me not to give him anything good to hit. If I walk him, that’s fine.
Duncan: If you put the winning run on-base, that’s fine. It’s sound strategy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I guess it's the whole Izzy mentality
I read something once where Izzy basically said he would walk the bases loaded if he thought he could get the fourth guy out. We all thought he was crazy, but apparently it’s straight out of the mouth of Dave Duncan
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
izzy said that all the time until his 2006 blow up.
he said flat out he can’t pitch like that anymore then had a monsterous 07.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Any chance we can clone A.D.A.M.
and use one of him for starting and the other one for closing games, man that would be boss!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
If Franklin doesn't have the ability to retire Casey Blake,
then why is he closing?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I wonder if he also said
Don’t hang a cutter to Ronnie Belliard on the first pitch because he’s a first pitch swinger.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
It was a curveball
Then it was Ronnie Belliard. He hadn’t done anything with a curveball all day or yesterday — every time I’ve faced him, really. It’s just another one of those things.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
yeah, frankie
and if you threw wainer’s curve at hime, he probably would have have whiffed futilely at it aalso
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Or thrown said curve
over the outer half like Wainwright did each Belliard AB
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
he's got a point
and that’s why my panic button isn’t completely pressed down. In poker it’s called “the deck hitting them in the face”. The dodgers have Babip hitting them in the face. not much you can do about it other than hope it stops.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Franklins comments are right
nothing was hit hard against him, just seeing eye singles…and you can’t expect any pitcher to get 4 outs in an inning without the risk of freakish things happening.
well to be fair,
Miller got the first out.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
well...
That is the danger when you can’t strike guys out. Balls will be put in play and find holes at times.
FYP
That is the danger when you can’t strike guys out. Balls will be put in play and find holes a way to bounce of your left fielder’s testicles at times.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Frustrating....
I just can’t handle watching Franklin not have a put away pitch. Did he think Blake was going to eventually swing at a ball 3 feet off the plate.
According to Franklin's blog
posted above in the thread, Duncan told him not to give Blake anything to hit, so it doesn’t surprise me that he wasn’t near the plate. He was trying to get him to get himself out without throwing a strike.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
In Franklin's defense,
Dave Duncan apparently told Franklin not to give Blake anything to hit, and that walking Blake to put the winning run on-base was okay.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it as a bad move honestly.
My question is why are they that fearful of Casey Blake?
1. Loney is already in scoring position. The walk does not move Loney into scoring position.
2. 2 out, so maybe the fielders can play a bit deeper and have a force out at each bag. so now in theory they can keep a possible game tying hit in the infield.
3. Casey Blake is not scoring from 1B on any hit unless an outfielder falls down.
A walk is a rally.
Have we learned nothing from John Smoltz!?!?!
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Motte
Think Motte should have come in to throw some heat? Franklin looked to be timid about attacking the zone and his fastball did not appear to have any zip on it.
I'd have brought in Smoltz
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think there was a better option
Boggs, Motte and Smoltz can’t throw strikes.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I forget what Boggs's plan is
but Motte and Smoltz have both settled into “the outfielder will get it” plan for a good chunk of their outs.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That may be so,
but, after the Belli single, I was certain that the next batter would end the game. I’d have made the switch with it 2-2 and the bases juiced. And Smoltz may have walked in the losing run, but I’d have rolled the dice.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have as well
but the truth is, I figured we were losing once 2 runners got on. Franklin just doesn’t have the velocity or ability to locate to get himself out of a jam he is in.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He was in the game already
that’s like putting out fire with gasoline.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 10, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Blake
He hit 18 HR this year in 565 PAs. I’d have gone after him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are afraid of Casey Blake
we’ve got no faith in our entire pitching staff.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
If our closer cannot retire Casey Blake, then why is he closing?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
watching the last inning..
All I could think was Dan & Al discussing Franklin and his 4 good pitchers.
I don’t know how many times this year I heard them speak of Franklin and his 4 good pitches being the reason he could enter the game in the 8th inning and close it out in the 9th….
For having 4 good pitches he seemd to throw the exact same two pitches quite often.
Maybe i'm not a good fan fan of baseball
but if the cards aren’t involved in the postseason, i don’t watch
All the little things that don’t get to me in a cards postseason game(long commercials, terrible announcing, red sox/yanks bias) really start to piss me off if the cards are no longer involved
so here’s hoping the cards come back…i really like baseball and would like to watch it the rest of the month
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I am mostly that way too, unless something special is happening
like Tampa Bay last year. I might sneak a peek at the baseball if the Cards aren’t involved, but otherwise I try to finally get some time out of the basement.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
thoughts on ibb albert
just a quick thought on all the ibb to albert:
i understand the numbers and why it is generally understood to be a bad idea. i agree with the numbers. that said, perhaps an additional effect with a batter like albert is keeping him off balance for plate appearances later in the game. albert is known for making adjustments from early plate appearances and not making those mistakes again. if albert only gets one real pa, its tough to get settled and make adjustments.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
That's an interesting point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
any idea on how i could look at his offensive production in at bats following ibb?
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Oct 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not going to be telling..
..and definitely not with the ~40 samples from this season.
For his career, he only has 198 IBBs, and considering that many of those came in his last PA of the game, you are probably looking at a sample of only~ 150 PAs from 2001 to now.
Free Milton
and to comment on what spl said earlier
its true: the dodgers had home field advantage, they were supposed to win the first two games in theory…no we have to take care of our end of the bargain at home…and i hope you fans going to game 3(and hopefully 4) bring towels to wave when we are at the plate
Come on GOBs, its time
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I don't do rally towels.
I end up hitting people and mostly myself.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
It's all about the thunder sticks...
America loves the thunder sticks…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
You could go 02 Angels style
and start hitting right fielders digging balls out of the corner with them… that was 2nd on my list of favorite baseball videos ever right behind Lidge giving Pujols a major league test.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
6-31
That’s the series record for teams who lose the first two games of a division series.
So maybe they were supposed to win the first two, but if you don’t earn a split with 2 of the best 3 starters in the National League pitching for you at their home park, it’s awful tough to win the series.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I'm over it, sorta (well as much as i can be)
On a season to season level, following sports for me is almost entirely about my expectations (yes it’s about winning championships too). This is why we fans spend so much time analyzing off-season moves. I have to figure out where my expectation should be. This year I thought the Cards could contend if Carp made 22ish starts, but ultimately I thought the Cubs would take the division—just barely if Carp played a lot, and rather easily if not.
So, when I look at the big picture, winning the division w/ the MVP, 2 Cy Young candidates and all the young players emerging (notably, Colby & Ryan) we had a stellar season, which far exceeded my expecations.
In NBA terms, the series hasn’t even started because a home team has yet to lose. It all rides on Joel Pineiro, which is not a comfortable feeling, though he’s been pretty good at home. I’m simply stating it’s possible. Win game 3, Carp at home for game 4, Waino again fully rested for game 5. That is a far more likely comeback than some of the ones we’ve seen this decade. La is starting VINCENTE PADILLA!!
The whole key to this damn mess is the offense, as was the case last night. Holliday makes that play at least 98% of the time. Yes a real closer gets out of the jam but they never really hit the ball hard. It was a brutal play + bad luck + inventing a way to lose. BUT in many respects it was more of a fluke than a trend….except the brutal offense. In saying all this i’m trying to be fair to Holliday (a day later this is possible, last night, not so much). We aren’t even here w/o him.
The series now on hinges on how Pineiro does (2.47 era at home) and how this team responds to this humiliating loss. I have no idea what to expect. but i didn’t expect this much in the first place back in April.
2.444 is ridiculous
Listen, we've got to sweep the Dodgers now
and we will have Carp and Wainwright both pitching on their gutsiest short rest possible. We are going home for 2 of those games and Albert Pujols hasn’t even begun to hit the ball.
Don’t look at it as Pineiro has to hold down the Dodgers, look at it as Vicente Padilla has to keep the Cardinals from scoring a TD in the first 2 innings on Saturday. After that, it’s all chalk. Carp won’t be garbage on back to back games and with all the youth on the Dodgers if we get to game 5, they’ll be able to make diamonds out of coal in their backsides they will be puckered so tight.
I’m not saying we are going to win this series, I’m not going to say we are going to win a single game.
But we’ve got the best player on the planet and 2 of the 3 best pitchers in baseball waiting in the off’ing. If Pineiro sucks, Smoltz is coming in.
This team is TOO DAMN GOOD to lose this series.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wait wait
back-to-back-to-back optimistic (ish) posts on here? did that happen at all after the game last night? :)
2.444 is ridiculous
But,
in Bizzaro world, “hello” means “good bye,” so, wouldn’t “optimistic” mean “negative?”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Logic doesn't work in Bizzaro world.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
"This team is TOO DAMN GOOD to lose this series"
No, it isn’t.
One day, the dream will come true.
Name another team to get bounced in the first round
Having 2 of the best pitchers in baseball and the best player on the planet?
I’ll give you 101 years, take your time.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well,
um, technically, the World Series were the first round for a majority of those years. So, I’ll start with the season I know it to be true, 1926, when the Cardinals beat Babe Ruth and pre-Murderers Row Yankees.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Name another team
that lost the first 2 games of a division series in which the above mentioned best 2 pitchers in baseball started both of those games and then went on to win the series by taking all of the next three games.
I’ll give you 101 years as well…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
meh.
if i had said the cardinals would sweep the first three games of the series, i might have been pegged as optimistic, but not unreasonable (a more in character start from carp in game 1 and no error by holliday in game 2 and that would have happened).
i don’t believe in momentum, so i don’t see why it’s more unreasonable to think the cards will win games 3, 4, and 5 than believing that they will win games 1, 2, and 3.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I don't disagree with you
but my comment was in response to HL’s comment — both are equally ridiculous comments.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Well
“i don’t believe in momentum, so i don’t see why it’s more unreasonable to think the cards will win games 3, 4, and 5 than believing that they will win games 1, 2, and 3.”
I has nothing to do with momentum. It has everything to do with overall team quality. I don’t think the Cardinal’s offense can produce consistently enough to win 3 straight games against playoff quality starting pitching, even if two of those games are against 1 retread (Padilla) and one struggling stud (Billingsly).
Listen, I know you are bitter
but ease up.
And it would be the 2002 Boston Red Sox with Lowe, Pedro and Manny.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You're kidding right?
Derek Lowe had a 4.47 ERA and a 4.26 FIP in 2003. He was nowhere near “one of the top two pitchers in the league” that season.
Not to mention that Lowe didn’t start one game in Oakland in that series, Pedro started Game 1 and Game 5, Wakefield started Game 2 with Lowe pitching at home in Game 3 and closing Game 5 out on the road.
Also, you answered your own question with your answer. Zito, Mulder, and Hudson were 3 of the top 6 pitchers by ERA+ in 2003…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
And who's bitter?
I’m simply saying that there’s also an inverse relationship to the comment that you posted, and that neither are equally likely of happening.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Is this your opinion now based on two bad games...
Or was this your thought going in? I find it hard to believe that anything short of injury could happen in two games to make someone go from hopeful and optimistic to downright definitive in judgment.
Free Milton
Going in I thought that the two teams were very evenly matched
and that it is unlikely anyone would be swept in this series. In fact, I thought it was very possible that the Cards would loose. LA was a good team all season, better than the Cardinals even if national pundits downplayed the quality of their starting pitching and offense prowess. The herd rush at ESPN and elsewhere to put the Cards as the clearly better team were flat out wrong and the past two games have exposed the flaws that others wanted to overlook. Holliday and Pujols are great offensive players, but if no one else can provide timely hitting, then the team will not score runs. Wainwright and Carpenter are great, but if the team doesn’t score, it is tough for them to win games.
So no, my sentiment regarding this team has not changed a great deal because of the last two games.
What has changes is the certainty of whether the flaws would mean the Cards could win. Down 2-0 in the series, the Cards will be asked to win three straight to take the series. With the flaws, over 5 full games and some breaks, I thought the Cards could pull it out. With these same flaws, over 3 games, needing to take all three, I find it highly unlikely the Cards win.
Kershaw
will probably start Game 5, if we get that far. Game 5 will be Tuesday and he would be working on full rest. And put me down with others on not wanting to throw Carp on short rest. I have seldom seen that to work, unless your name is Bob Gibson.
Wait Gibby's going in Game 5???
Everything’s going to be ok folks!!!
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Gibson could have gotten casey blake last night
I have no doubt
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I say if we make it past the Dodgers
we finagle the roster is such a way that we can use Thurston’s or Ankiel’s roster spot to get Gibby on the mutherfucking NLCS roster
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Thurston's actually on the roster???
We didn’t let him tag along because we felt bad for him Marquis style???
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Please don't set Bob up to talk about
managing the Diamondbacks to the 01 World Series… no one needs that.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Gibby
Have fond memories of watching Gibby pitch – wish he could go in Game 5 (and 3 and 4). But facing a rookie in Game 5 (even one as talented as Kershaw) would be fine. Heck, at this point, facing anyone in Game 5 would be great.
Postseason memories.....
(in no particular order)
Denkinger
Coleman swallowed by a tarp
Willie losing the ball in the Metrodome sky
the old men in 96
Matheny and the hunting knife
Wild Ank
the karmic march of the 04 Red Sox
and so on….
by GeorgeHendricksStirrups on Oct 9, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
How about the karmic march of the '06 Cardinals?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 9, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
jesus
I always forget about Matheny and the knife.
And who was it in ’04, the stupid pitcher who got picked off 3rd? Was that Tavarez? I knew we were done when that happened. Game 2, if I recall.
That would have been Soup...
it was made even worse by the fact that Ortiz was with it enough to realize he was running like a new born calf and gunned him down. I also believe it was Game 3… unless I’m remembering another soul crushing epic fail on the base paths..
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
you got it
i felt like the team was a dead man walking after that incident. the march of the Red Sox was inevitable at that point.
I say the march was inevitable
after they came back down 0-3 to the Yankees… No one was stopping them after that.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
im about to shave my mustache
sacrificing it to the gods of baseball so they will have mercy on the cardinals.
and we gotta give carp a chance to redeem himself
you know he’s pissed off at his performance on wednesday
by yomarktvraps on Oct 9, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I lied last night
I’m not done. Hopefully this is a wake up call for the Birds tomorrow. We can still do this.
Stranger things have happened
Than a team coming back from a 2-0 deficit. Remember that we beat the Dodgers 3 in a row in late July (of course, that’s when Franklin was doing better). And, the Dodgers starting pitching is not as good then as now (of course, that won’t matter if no one can get a hit with men on base).
Don’t give up the ship!!!!
Pineiro, Carp, and Wainwright...
can beat Billingsley, Padilla, and Wolf.
In the first three games our Cy Young and MVP have completely sucked and if Holliday catches a ball we’re sitting pretty.
The beard is back!
i wonder if Yadi doesnt let that ball by...
if Colby has a play at home on Loretta’s hit, with the runner coming from second rather than third. He fielded that ball awfully short…
by longhornscardinals on Oct 9, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
That pitch made it 3-0
I hope we don’t challenge him there.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gah, you're right as always
brain fart. was only watching the ESPN highlights that showed the runners advancing to 2nd and 3rd.
apologies.
by longhornscardinals on Oct 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
1996
I know a lot of folks on here don’t remember the disaster that was 1996 when it looked like we had it won over the dominant Braves team of those years before ATL decided to start scoring touchdowns on us, but I’m not losing faith yet. Again, we just win 2 games at home and then go back and take care of business. LA could win two games at home, why can’t we? Just win two games, and then we accept the crapshoot that is game 5. Not going to be good for my stomach and liver, but neither have the first 29 years of my life.
I remember.
First the year the Cardinals made the playoffs since I became a fan in 1990. I was inconsolable for weeks. But if the 96 Braves could do it, why can’t we?
Here is what truly believe: If we win Game 3 (and that might be a big IF), we are in a good position to take the series.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
you were a brave man for picking up the habit in 1990
when Milt Thompson and Tom Brunanski are arguably your best hitters, something ain’t right.
Brave girl, you mean.
I was 8 years old.
One of the first games I ever went to (and it may have been the first), Ozzie got his 2000th hit. It was incredible. I was hooked.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I should clarify...
Getting the 2000th hit was cool, but not that huge of an accomplishment. What I meant was, the fan celebration at old Busch was incredible. A sea of red, on their feet, a standing ovation that felt like it lasted for hours…
Remembering moments like these helps me get over moments like yesterday.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
That's probably around when I started paying any attention to baseball
but it has more to do with age than anything else. I was about 3 in 1987, so the early 90’s Cardinals were what was available when I was old enough to understand baseball and want to go to games and stuff.
And 1996 hurt. I felt so bad for Ozzie.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I dont know why or how I became a baseball fan or even a cards fan
my parents weren’t that gun-ho about it. I just remember being a fan since i had memories…I vaaggguullly remember 1982 (the powder blue and “celebrate”) even though I was two…probably what started it all.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i recall
i lost money on the cards vs. the braves and then the braves. vs. the yanks. thought i had both locked up…
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm starting to regret
telling my cubs fan buddy that if the Cardinals got swept by the dodgers I would sweep out his garage. I take all the blame. It’s my fault these last couple nights.
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
If this happens
It may be the first case of a Cardinals fan doing manual labor for a Cubs fan in the history of mankind. Usually it’s the other way around.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
"when you're sure you've had too much . . ."
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 9, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this has been the weirdest season that I can remember
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
is anyone else looking at the photo in main post
and scared of Julio Lugo?
he’s looking right at me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
hello, pressing "preview" does not mean post.
geez, I suck.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
And Oquendo is coming after you
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
yeah, I know.
the mouse slipped!
at least I didn’t post any links from my clipboard.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Julio Lugo = Bug-Eyed Earl?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
do we blame leitch for that?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
we always believed in you
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Me too!
Several quotes. He even got the creamsicle.
Crap! Boobs!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
your best moment, i think!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
awesome
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and once again, i'm on the outside looking through the window at all the cool kids
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
me too gdm
f’in deadspin
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Somebody took a good bit of time to come up with that.
At least some of y’all got in print.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
we're so proud.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Always look on the bright side of life. [whistling]
Ryan Franklin has two more years to successfully get that last out!
Always look on the bright side of life. [whistling]
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
Prepare to be Interwebstabbed
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
you'll need something better than a knife to get through that metal carcass.
blowtorch?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
no No NOOOOOO
[rocking back and forth; mumbling to self]
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
Nooooo!!!!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
It's not like that bridge ever gets used for traffic anyway.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
All I'm going to say is this...
…that sucked.
That is it.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
sadly, that's what she said.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
A little off topic mother's basement humor.....
What's funny is that the CEO's name is Scott FLANDERS.
HA!
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
Can I just say
This review by DanUp was fantastic. Seriously made me wistful for better times, better memories, and better game threads. I walked away from VEB last night after Ethier’s homerun(it’s freaking ridiculous that was Wainer’s first hit until Lugo’s lack o range, and yet we were tied). And while the Nut Shot was literally one of the worst memories of my life, a bottle of Old Thompson and Jorodowsky movies last night helped numb the pain.
But this post and Fritz’s fanpost help. They really do. Part of this whole mess is realizing there is one more game left, one opportunity to give our nation something to stand and cheer for. This isn’t about whose fault this is whether it is Franklin, Holliday, Oquendo, TLR, etc. It’s about the chance to do something great one more time. Then parlay that another time. And when it comes to game 5, anything goes. I just want a chance.
Plus, at least you guys aren’t Minnesota Vikings fans. Because there’s always this
And that my internet friends is literally the worst feeling in the world.
I love you all.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
I'm really not
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
So, the coffee shop by my house has a TESS Omelet.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
do we need to ask Holliday if last night was a literal TESS?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
sometimes I wonder if the GOB think it's funny
that the Cards complained about scuffed balls, Dick Pole was fired soon after, and then this.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
they are bastards for a reason
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
bastard coated bastards!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and bastard sprinkles on top....
lots of bastard sprinkles
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 9, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be below the belt man.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We have Mark DeRosa on our roster
they have Juan Pierre and….
just trying to figure who has the ‘less former Cubs’ advantage in this series.
fewer
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
when it comes to the Cubs
it is always less.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that is so true.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Is Wellemeyer hanging around?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
HALO tournament
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Let's hope so.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
(I dunno why I keep all-caps'ing Halo. crazy typing fingers.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Because that's what's on tha box?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to believe Microsoft now?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yep, because Uncle Bill said so.
“Mr. Gates, when did you realize you were trying to build a monopoly?”
“Monopoly is just a game Senator. I’m trying to control the fucking world.”-
Robin Williams monologue.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So I thought I might be going to jail earlier today
I did not.
I am relieved
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 9, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lesson learned:
Not only were they not chicks, they did not like “me” for “me”
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 9, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's friggin beautiful man.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome! Congratulations!
I’d love to hear this story, but no pressure.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 10, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
... mister eff...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
is that a favorite or what?
how do you have it so conveniently handy?
And why do you never hypertext the link?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
for future use: Mister Eff.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
it's all about you still?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Now I have to go look at DanUp's baseball card to feel better.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
Why does Tommy Craggs have such a hard-on for the Cardinals?
Is it his background in Slate, taking pointlessly contrarian views on innocuous subjects?
I know, I know, it’s because Tony La Russa is the source of many of Buzz Bissinger’s wet dreams, and because of all the best fans in baseball bs. Because clearly, this is the only club in baseball with a headstrong manager who does counter-intuitive things and is lauded by the old guard sportswriters. And the Cards clearly have baseball’s only self-mythologizing fanbase.
Oh yeah
for those who don’t read deadspin – http://deadspin.com/5378102/the-bitter-tears-of-the-best-fans-in-baseball
or the thread...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/10/9/1077450/three-series#22532736
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
hah, I just reread the link I was fanshotting
During games, security command functions are shifted to a field-level control center that houses satellite system controllers that provide access to all Panasonic cameras multiplexed for viewing on LCD displays.
That is one badass press release.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That kinda viewing possiblity would make your headspin.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that's in Busch Stadium!
…I wonder if they have anyone programmed into the facial recognition.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Where's gdm...
(looks around)….(ducks)
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
does the [checks....] "field-level control center" know what you look like, gdm?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I just thought if there was one face in the facial recognition database
that it would probably be you, and that you’d probably be proud of that fact, lol
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
ohhhhh, i get it now, hehe
f’in gdm. get your head outta your arse
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it's god damn
otherwise, it’d break a member’s heart. and i just can’t do that. not now anyways.
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not now or ever
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 9, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Give them time, my friend, give them time.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
our guys in the truck > your guys in the truck
also, jebus, whoever said Luddy must’ve done something to anger the GOB… maybe he did. he finally, finally takes some tough at-bats and there’s hard luck to greet him.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he should just try to bloop everything
this whole hitting the ball hard thing just isn’t working out.
Yadi seems to have had some unsuccessful well hit balls as well.
also, I did my best Dan impression on the ball hit by Glaus…just a few more feet
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
I know, it's crazy.
I agree with others, though, they should’ve switched Boog and Raz in the lineup. but other than that…. all the guys I was fretting over, they were seeing the ball and getting good wood on it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Since I haven't said so yet.
Another great post Danup. You really do know how to find the pulse of what everyone knows deep down and put it into words.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone have gifs of
Adam K’ing Beltran?
Albert eliminating Lidge?
Inge K’ing?
I tried to find them in old threads but couldn’t and wouldn’t mind the pick me up.
Free Milton
try the glossary.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
comments.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the beauty of Adam as the closer
was that no one could lose the game for him after his last pitch.
….too soon?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Too true
More’s tha pity.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If we somehow make it to Game 5
Is there anyway that game isn’t bookended with Carp and Wainer?
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Carp will go in Game 4 (if needed)
Wainwright will go in Game 5 on normal rest, is what I’m understanding.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Woo another 3 start year from Carp in '10...
Just what the doctor ordered…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I just find this question humorous
given how much you guys all seem to like the prospects over major league talent to try and make a run at said WS this year. Oh sweet irony.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I'm not a prospect guy
I like prospects, I just don’t know anything about them.
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
I feel the same way
But I have always gotten the feeling that most people on here love prospects a bit too much…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I will do no such thing...
unless it’s with your mother… then that’s a totally different story :)
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
are you in Fredbird's van right now?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
What did I ever do to you
to be associated with Fredbird???
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
haha, I misread
I should’ve asked if you’d spotted them in Fredbird’s van
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Chitown is driving the van & Fredbird is riding shotgun
Az may or may not be in the back
at least that’s what i was told
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I always picture Chitown as being a van guy
like the one Fred drives with Scooby and Shaggy in the back
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Or the spray-painted black van
with the homemade red A-Team stripe on the side…
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 9, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
making a run at a WS is different from guaranteeing one
as this year seems to demonstrate quite well
by brackenthebox on Oct 9, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem giving up Brett Wallace for an assured WS
With the Carp injury for assured WS it’s a sure thing. If the question was should Carp start in game 4 if we make it there my answer would be no.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Oct 9, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Prospects aren't pogs.
They turn into major league baseball players. We don’t love prospects above all else, just above mediocre vets.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I understand...
I just seems like some of us completely lost our shit when the Holliday trade went down. I just felt it was a bit of an over reaction.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Actually, it's not,
because we likely could have gotten similar production out of a combination of other players (Chad Gaudin, Willingham, Kearns, Ross, etc.) for a lot less value in prospects. Obviously those guys aren’t as good as Holliday, but they weren’t so much worse so that it was worth giving up Holliday.
The reason that we got Holliday was to appease Tony by acquiring a “Big bat”.
GAUDIN!!!!11
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
We traded more than he was worth.
I know I personally was pretty pissed about that, and I’m not even one of the people that is still angry we traded Dan Haren. It would have been better if we could have gotten Michael Wuertz or something else in addition.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Not quite the same
trading away a prized prospect as opposed to asking a guy give you innings on a day he probably would have thrown a side session anyways is not the same.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 10, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Guys quick poll
Please read and answer:
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/10/9/1078439/who-is-to-blame-most-for-the
reason #5789437 I hate living in Boston this time of year
My downstairs neighbor just texted me saying he need to ask me about something when I got home. What he needed to ask me was:
In regards to the Cardinals, what is this * pantomimes the holiday nutshot * ?
That’s all.
should have pantomimes buchner's botch
and ortiz shooting up.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I can't even find it on the chart, to be honest....
http://www.unplggd.com/unplggd/look/look-anatomy-of-a-lego-man-066577
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Why's he wearing a thong?
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 10, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: Inspirational things
I am not implying that this is any sort of metaphor for this week or this team. It’s just a sappy feel-good video that makes me feel better when I’m pissed off. Three cheers for perspective!
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
this is exactly why Dan was was the perfect choice to take over VEB
great stuff man as always. you are a great talent, and we are blessed to have you here.
/wipes nose
with that being said, i still feel like garbage. i can’t believe this is happening. they had every opportunity to be up 2-0, and instead they are down 2-0. this is just a depressing punch to the twig & berries that i really didn’t need right now. i’m sure you’ve all gathered from my 50,000 pointless comments i’m a narcissistic, glass is completely empty, miserable human being prone to overreations & ready to jump off the cliff at the first sight of danger. i don’t want to make this all about me so that’s all i’m going to say, but with the O being stuck in neutral for over a month now, the pen, especially Franky & KMac not getting their job done, and the real Pinata starting tomorrow night, i just don’t have any optimism left in me to think the Cards have a snowballs chance in hell of winning even one game of this DS.
and that is just so wrong. everything they’ve done this year has been about wining it all this season. they pushed all in with their trades & moves, and right now, they’ve all been for naught. and the only questions i find myself asking about the team is the same one i’ve been asking myself for the past 10 years, what’s the point & what does it all matter if you give your all, give your best shot, and you still epically fail? you fight, and you fight and you fight till you don’t have any more fight left, and you still get dump-trucked by God, Satan, the universes, the GOB’s, of whomever. what’s the freaking point? the Dodger’s beat Carp when he wasn’t really Carp. they beat Adam who pitched one of the best games in DS history. if they did that, how is anyone realistically supposed to believe they won’t win the series now?
i apologize for my doom & gloom. i especially apologize for posting the pic earlier this AM of Lego. i did not realize it was in the other tread, for some reason when i got back up to read what was going on after not being able to sleep, i thought that was the thread Az turned off & not the other one. so i didn’t even read it till an hour ago or i never would have even posted it. when i saw it online it just hit me everything the team worked so hard for was gone. the finality of it all just suddenly ending with a whimper & not a blast like it was supposed to spoke to me, and i thought i’d let you all have a peek at & maybe share in my current state of misery. i don’t know what else to say so i’ll shut up now.
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Cheer up gdm
It could be worse. We might not be here at all. I get it that you’re hurting dude. We all are, but this thang ain’t over yet. When it is, and if we haven’t won, you have my permission to kick my optimistic interwebs self right in the teeth.
You didn’t do anything worse than anybody else did.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yes he did
I have it from a trusted source that gdm was actually commenting from LA the last two nights. If the Cards don’t come back this sh
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
should be the end of gdm
f’in SBNation
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
He also mentioned
that your herpes hasn’t cleared up yet either… he’s being a real jerk…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
what can I say
i am a bastard. you all should know this by now
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Are you a bastard coated bastard?
Cause if the GOBs are blogging from inside the house, I’m gonna be seriously freaked out.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no, i know matty, and the only thing he's coated in is bacon grease
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OMG, do you want Albert's legs to fall off?
i’m not even looking at my Cardinal gear till the season’s over
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hey guys look on the bright side
my MVP 2005 Cardinals just won the World Series in 2009! Too bad its a completely different roster bc I fantasy-drafted.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
Something else to complain about...
What's wrong with golf
It really more of a global game than ppl think. I think this is cool.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
+one bazillion gajillion fleeflubillion
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Tell that to Dennys
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
Shit, you just eliminated a lot of sports then
Because Track and Field, Baseball, football, wrestling, etc. all have guys that look like John Daly.
FWIW, you have to have some athletic skill to hit a golf ball 350 yards. If Daly could just consistently putt and chip he’d make a lot more cuts, but I don’t think he cares that much.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
They aren't underwear models...
Or are they?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I wonder, though...
doesn’t core training prevent back issues, universally? out of shape athletes are just going to pay for it later with stress injuries
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
As someone who deals with out of shape people in bad health all the goddamn time,
they never listen when you say they need to lose weight.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I think I should win the VEBby this year
for highest number after a plus… I’m not afraid to self nominate… That’s how I roll.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
I bet I could do a search and disprove you.
if SBN cooperated. f’in SBN.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I know we said there would be no math,
but I’m curious of the numerological value of fleeflubillion is.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
apparently, RB is familiar with a related notion called "maths"
what with being faux-british and all.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Ya, but you could probably kick
out some awesome poem about it though.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
you know scansion
that’s enough
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Same here
I’m pretty sure I’ve used “eleventy grillion” at some point and I’d like to know if ducttape’s number is higher.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
1946 World Series is on MLBN
For anyone interested. Nice of them to show that, though I’m not sure if it’s on purpose—
Oh, nope. Dammit. Too late. 1947 Series is on now.
I know it’s not as comforting as watching it, but the point was that in 1946 we win. Yaaaay (sorry to spoil the ending).
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I was watching the 1946 recap...
…before the first pitch in the Twins/Yankees game. Turns out in game 1 the cards were up 2-1 in the ninth and were 1 strike away from winning the game until the sox got a hit to tie the game. The sox won the game 3-2 in the 10th.
Of course, the Cards did come back to win that series.
by bailorg on Oct 9, 2009 6:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This helps.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
While listening to Foreigner, I think
Say you will…catch the ball next time
I want to know…what ‘W’ is
I’ve been waiting for…runs like you
Filling my eyes…with double vision (no changing that, cause I will definitely be drinking, whether its for joy or sorrow)
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
You're reaching.....lol
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
just my way of sharing my love of Foreigner with everyone
while I hate foreigners, I do love me some Foreigner
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
This reminds me of that Aqua Teen Hunger Force Episode
Where Carl gets the Foreigner belt and the Mooninites steal it and can’t get it to work because they keep quoting Loverboy songs.
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 9, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't need no instructions, to know how to rock!
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Why didn't it work?
Because that’s a Loverboy song Ur
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
What a shitty past couple of days....
Cards lose back to back winnable games. Our savior Matt Holliday gets tagged in the nuts with a game ending flyball. But its all of Cardinals nation that’s balls hurt.
Add on top of it that its been cold and rainy for back to back days.
FML
Sponsored by Slick-Rick 'Stache Cream
Wow for a moment I thought I was watching the Cards
Nope just the Twins running out of an inning. At least we didn’t do that.
Can't stop thinking about this
But how about leaving in Miller to face Manny or even, if you think Manny would have punished Miller, intentionally walking Manny. Then Miller faces Loney which I think would result in 2 outs and 1 on. Then bring in Smoltz. Or maybe even make Smoltz completely the closer. There has been a lot of talk about how effective he is the first time through or the first two times through the lineup. I think Smoltz would be better than Franklin at this point as the closer. Sorry for the rambling I’m just grasping at straws.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
I don't want to see Franklin in a save situation again
Unless its a three-run lead and the bottom of the order is up and nobody is on base. And even then…
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
i don't think i've posted since it happened....
…..and then the mizzou game happened too….
Anyway, its more stunned disbelief than anger for me. The one strange emotion is that it feels like the series is already over, something I know no sports fan should ever feel. I would love for us to storm back but teams just never do that after such a let down.
As a side note, my friend saw Albert at Global Foods in Kirkwood today. Just thought that’s something too cool not to share.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
poor Albert. save the Cardinals. haul the groceries.
his work never ends. (Thanks Dee Dee).
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
If Albert's anything like my husband - and in work ethic they are similar -
he gets antsy and grumpy when he was nothing to do.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
gotta do something today instead of watching the rain
i would hope all the players got out today & forgot about the game for a while today & tried to clear their heads. i tried, but it didn’t help. there’s nothin up there to clear
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and, for the record (and in full stalker glory)
he bought all Goya products.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 9, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome
I appreciate your level of detail.
Goya’s canned black beans are the best of all canned black beans available, imo.
Maybe Dee Dee’s making him some special home run chicken tonight.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
mmm frijoles negros
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
guys
and gals.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Pumpkin Concrete. STAT.
Leave it on my porch and walk away slowly.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
give me my mums back.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
then i don't have your concrete.
two can play this game.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'm tellin ya man,
twist some poison ivy up in those mum stems and they won’t bother you anymore.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I got different kinds today.
If these get stolen, I’m calling the cops, Liberal Crackpot Bill McClellan, and The 2 Fox.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The only good thing that came from that last reg season game mess
was that I went to Ted Drewes after. Mmmmmm.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm so mad at my family
i’ve never been there, my dad always raved about it when we would visit, but he would never take us. and my family that lives in town won’t go. i tired to get them to go with me last winter when i was in town, but they wouldn’t. i should have just gone by myself.
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You could probably order some to be shipped to you...
But I’d recommend having it fresh. Plus, so many more menu options.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
Yeah, I think the ones they ship
are just the basic choc, straw, van cups.
gdm, next time you’re in town just go. And bring some back for the rest of the family. You’ll be a hero.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
screw the fam, they live there & they don't ever go. it's their loss
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Yep
When I’ve visited we’ve gone nearly every day. Twice in some instances.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 9, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
you can have it shipped? i did not know that
i wouldn’t even know what to order. i’m a biggest chocoholic so it would definitely be something chocolate.
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you can get any flavor overnighted
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Dang!
You can get other flavors, of concretes anyway.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
$90!! for shipping, and THEN you pay for the cream
it’s good but not that good
f’in ted drews
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 9, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
how much is eight pints of custard?
/doesn’t really like frozen stuff and only gets root beer floats there.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Semi-Important question
Is there a large difference in taste and/or quality between the regular Pints and the Concretes?
I always got a large chocolate concrete, so I would never know.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 9, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Grr...stupid italics...
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 9, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it.
It’s just that the pints are frozen. If they were shipped, the concretes would be frozen, too.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
does it weigh more frozen?
could i ask more stupid questions?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I quit reading as soon as I read moon
I thought we bombed that fucking thing.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
BOOOOORING
it needs a zero gravity lesbian fight to spice things up.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
My thought on that is
if you wait around on somebody else then you’re backin up. Do it for yourself. Go for it gdm.
f’em gdm
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe nathan
well, we could have Joe Nathan as our closer – just came in a 2-run lead in the bottom of the ninth against the Yankees and gave up a single and a homer to the first two batters – at least Franklin was victimized by an error
joe nathan just can't beat the yankees
he’s had a rough year
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
Musssssst been something we saaaaaiiiiiidddddddddd
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Tex just made sure ARod's "clutchness" counted
that was a bullet
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keithlaw Pretty sure A-Rod mouthed "that's for you, Selena" after he made contact.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 9, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Gerald Ford is dead, and I'm gay!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Anybody...
know how we’re using Smoltz? Has Game 4 starter been decided? Is Franklin bumped?
I haven’t been able to follow any of this.
The beard is back!
From the reports
by Verducci, it sounds like Tony was leaning towards throwing Carp on short rest if Game 4 was an elimination game, and now it will be. Smoltz was warming up in the pen last night, according to Brenly (no thanks to TBS, who can’t even get a decent camera angle of the fucking BULLPEN), and that was in the 8th when Wainwright was struggling.
In summary — I have no fucking idea how they’re using John Smoltz.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Lohse was warming up in the pen too in the 7th I think
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Oct 10, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Worse than most women
I have ever dated.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
most women only break your heart once.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Oct 9, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
not the ones that I know. Thank goodness I’m happily married now and am done with all that shit.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
you're a lucky mang.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
not the good ones
or bad ones, depending on how you look at them
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Wow. The Twins were seriously robbed there.
That was fair by a foot.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
Cuzzi strikes again...
Why is it so dead in here. Has everyone renounced baseball?
The beard is back!
That was an embarrassing call
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Oct 9, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone seen a replay of Ludwick's hit in the corner?
I can’t find it. I have to convince myself it was foul.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 9, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he's easily one top 5 worst umps in the game
he has to be on the take, there’s no way he doesn’t call that fair unless he’s on the take
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he is dog shit.
and not that new, good kind.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I don't know if you're really kidding or not.
But that miss call goes beyond just a human error. That was so bad it did look intentional.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 9, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that he missed the call on TWO levels is enough to believe that,
the ball not only was fair by a foot when it landed, but it hit Melky’s glove 1st even further in fair territory. It is about time that MLB goes forward in the new millenium & employs some sort of expanded replay system, its pathetic how many games/year are affected by the boys in blue on absolutely horrid calls, screw the purists, just get the calls right. BTW, this also happened on the anniversary of the Jeffery Mayer game, according to ESPN…nice.
by buzzburton33 on Oct 9, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
be interesting to see
what cuzzi’s wikipedia page looks like tomorrow morning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Cuzzi
When the call is bad enough that the TBS broadcasters discuss it openly, it shoudl be grounds for dismissal. Especially if the umpire grew up in jersey and the call goes in the favor of the yankees.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
ah, updated already.
On October 9, 2009, Cuzzi was once again at the center of controversy. On a fly ball hit by Minnesota Twins catcher Joe Mauer in the 11th inning of Game 2 of the ALDS, Cuzzi called the ball foul down the left field line. Replays showed the ball landing in fair territory by at least one foot. The ball bounced off Melky Cabrera’s glove and into the stands, and should have been ruled a ground rule double. Instead, Mauer singled, and the Twins failed to score in the inning despite getting two more hits after Mauer’s. The Yankees went on to win the game in the bottom half of the 11th inning.5
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
I'm not a big EC bias guy...
but if Cuzzi screws the Yanks like that, we are hearing all about it right now.
The beard is back!
Sportscenter special type stuff
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Oct 9, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So in other playoff news:
Japan’s Climax Series (1) starts next Saturday.
In the Central League, the 2nd place Dragons will host the 3rd place Swallows (1) for a best of three play-in series. Winner faces the 1st place Giants in a “best of four”, with the Giants getting a free win due to their league champion status.
Over in the Pacific League, it’s the Golden Eagles v. the Hawks, with the winner against the league champion Fighters.
The last game for the NBL is next Monday. As of now the Giants are 89-44-9 and are ahead of the Dragons by 12.5 games. The Fighters are 81-60-2, 4 games better than the Golden Eagles.
The Fighters are concerned that Yu Darvish won’t be ready for the Climax Series (1). He’s currently rehabbing from a shoulder injury.
(1) Yes, that’s what she said. I heard her too.
/trying to avoid thinking about local baseball too much right now.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
1st round is a three game series
not a best of three. Duh.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And the name of the league
is Nippon Professional Baseball, NPB.
My kingdom for an edit button.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
that's awesome...
MLB should copy that format. Either have three division winners make the playoffs and no WC, or have two divisions and one WC. Then the 2 and 3 seeds play best of three and the league champs play a best of 7, all at their home park.
That would make the regular season important down to the wire almost every year.
The beard is back!
I'd like to see a playoff like that for the WC.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
I love the playoffs...
but it’s dismaying the importance placed on them vis a vis the regular season. It just goes against the nature of baseball. Great teams lose 40% of the time.
The beard is back!
It is an interesting format
I think they only started that a few years ago.
Another cool thing they do is have an Asia series after the NPB championship. The winners of the NPB, Korea, and Taiwan leagues and an all-star team from China play in a tournament. Neat stuff.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Aw, 2008 was the last year for the Asia series
They’re doing a NPB / Korea one game championship, though.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 9, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That has to be the only place you could swallows and climax
and nobody would get offended.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
that too
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
there are lots of places for that.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
haha
meant to type “say swallows and climax”.
I can hear the announcer now: “The Swallows are Climax Champions!”
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally not baseball-related:
From Twitter – @tysongs: Dear Diary, In my world today, NASA bombed the moon, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize & Marge Simpson’s on the cover of Playboy.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
It's like we are living in a joke year.
How are the Cubs no winning the World Series?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The moon sucks.
Fuck it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 9, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, that's brilliant.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
All I know, is that Piccolo blew up the WHOLE moon in Dragonball Z
And that worked out fine. So it should be chill. I just wish they had timed it to be at night and let us all know the exact time, so we could try to watch.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 9, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Because
The Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, and Diamondbacks already did that, and the Rays are trying. The Cubs are being different and edgy by NOT winning the World Series. Duh.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 9, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wooo!
Angels up 4-1!
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 10, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions
Lil Weav's line
IP H R ER BB SO HR
7.1 2 1 1 2 7 0
That’ll do.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 10, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
More than the Red Sox?
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 10, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, sorry
I don’t hate the Angels, just every Angels fan I’ve encountered (especially on SBNation) has been a flaming quiefbag who acts as though the Angels are special.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 10, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Angels sweep the Sox and win the World Series five times in a row,
it still can never get worse than Fever Pitch.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Try living in Ca, pal, the come talk to me.
The worst is that, I KNOW they don’t know what they’re talking about, but they just don’t shut up.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 10, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, well then...Carry on.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 10, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Mostly I just like watching Vlad
plus they’re up 2-0 on the sawx now.
I haven’t had the misfortune of associating with their fans. (Are they really more insufferable than Sox fans? Wow, that’s pretty bad.)
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 10, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I only know one Red Sox fan, and he's awesome
I know a couple of Angels fans and they suck.
Plus the Red Sox SBNation site >>>>>>>>>>>> the Angels SBNation site.
Seriously, go to this site and mention PECOTA:
by vivaelpujols on Oct 10, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I am engaged to a Sawx fan.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
wow,,,
some many questions come to mind, i don’t know which to ask first
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Ask away sir,
I will either answer it as best I can or just say f’ing gdm.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be too easy.
I would prefer to try and figure out a real answer before falling back to a default position.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
"Yeah sure the Sox are up one game on the Cards, but I'll freaking marry you if they get swept"
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Did that happen to you?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
playoffs
now i havent made a comment in quite some time, but i understand that last nights thread got out of hand; although i do not condone such behavior, after two losses like that i can somewhat understand; i was not happy with matt holliday for that first inning at-bat wednesday, or for the bad defense in game 2, but those things happen
i think what everyone needs to remember is that we DID win the series in 2006; I look at it like this, every playoff series now is gravy; i am just glad to be here
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
Apparently FSN Midwest
is the second highest-rated regional sports network in baseball behind NESN.
I don’t know the exact break downs, but it sounds impressive.
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
Forgot the
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Oct 10, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh.
Does that include YES?
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 10, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
so why can't they get a real CG guy
so they can photoshop like vexed?
hey vexed! job opportunity!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
OT: Gotta love the classy people who spend time in Wrigleyville
I just got back from going to see a band at the Cubby Bear… please don’t judge it wasn’t my choice… but as we’re walking back to my friend’s place some girl falls on the sidewalk due to a lack of balance that comes with mass consumption of alcohol. In this exchange one of her shoes comes off. Then a real class act thinks it’s a good idea to kick her shoe into the street. I just stood there stunned at what happened because it never even occurred to me that was an option in that situation…
Moral of the story… regardless of what happens with the Cardinals it’s good to know we don’t employ ne’er do wells and our fans always act with class. Makes it much easier to deal with a loss no matter how crushing knowing that I’m doing it with upstanding humans… keep up the good work folks.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
Well looks like the Twins are having as much trouble as us
Nathan giving up a HR to A-Roid in the 9th and loading the bases in the 11th and failing to score. Not to mention Cuzzi screwing the Twins on a obvious double by Mauer. Looks like MLB is getting their wish with the Yankees in the World Series. I wouldn’t be suprised to see a few “weird umpire calls” going in the Yankees favor when they play the Angels in the ALCS. That’s if the Angels don’t choke it away in Boston (which wouldn’t suprise me).
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Imagine Franklin facing the Yankees with a lead in the 9th
If Nathan looks inept aganst them, imagine the damage they’d inflict on poor Frankie.
No team has any chance against this juggernaut, so it’s probably best we sneak away and hide in the first round (but hopefully win a game before departing).
by olddomination on Oct 10, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Here you are again with this negativity....
It’s best to lose now instead of wanting to play the Yanks in the WS? Are you even a fan of baseball?
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
keep on feedin' it...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry....
Just pisses me off.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
it's ok, man.
awkward hug?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You are such a soft touch.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't make up for being an asshole, though.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
warning... this comment speaks of the GOB... and nuts
It occurred to me that maybe this is the gods of baseball taking their cut.
How many times has Holliday slid into a middle infielder’s nuts? Nutmeg karma…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
also if we enter hot stove season
and every mention of arbitration is not accompanied by an order of curly fries, I’m going to be disappointed.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
What no onion rings or mozzo sticks?
That’s kinda facist.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
them too
and jamocha shakes
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Our Recommended Fanposts
are all really sad right now. It’s like they were all written while some angst ridden Smashing Pumpkins plays in the background.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
There lots of good seats still available for game four on the cards site, fyi.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Wow, that's pretty surprising.
Even infield box seats still available.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 10, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Surprisingly awesome.
As I now have really good tickets.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Smooth.
That’s Colby smooth.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I will be fire burning in the outfield
field box.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
^5 to you sir.
I wish I had the time and the money to do it.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that a euphemism, Fritz?
Please tell me it is.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Oct 10, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not fire bombing.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Sweeeeeeet.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Oct 10, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was almost tempted to get tickets
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 10, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
do it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The best I could find were $150 tickets
and I’d have to leave now to get to the game on time.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 10, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Alex, HL.
Do it.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Oct 10, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't stop the stare,
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
they made Boog cry.
Lugo is really angry now.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I really would not wanna piss him off.
And I don’t spook easily.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Say what you will about TLR,
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
indeed
He makes a good if not grammatically confusing point
by LandSickness on Oct 10, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, it's twitter.
Since when was that grammatically correct.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 10, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
I only read twitter when someone links to it on here
I’m talking about Tony’s “quote” anyway
by LandSickness on Oct 10, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
kinder, gentler TLR is very weird.
I’m almost on the side of keeping him just to see what happens.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
How my HS football game last night relates to tonight
(First, apologies for mentioning football)
We lost 25-13 to a team that will now most likely be league champ in our biggest game of the year, but we were pumped throughout the 2nd half. We were down 19-0 at half, and the head coach got super mad at the seniors for playing like freshmen (as this was the biggest game of the season) and how the team played like crap in the 1st half. He was as mad as I’d ever seen him in the locker room last night. But, throughout the second half, we were fired up – the team and the crowd, from the start of the half. We played 10 minutes of great football, coming back to make the score 19-13, but one play ended our rally – a TD by the other team with 2 minutes left in the game.
We were heartbroken, but the coach thanked the team for playing such a hard second half. To be honest, I’ve never been more pumped at a football game than I was at the second half last night. My voice was gone by the end of the 3rd quarter, and I had an absolute blast.
Now, how it relates to tonight’s game: We’re down 2-0, but by all means that doesn’t mean we can’t come back. We’ve got Pineiro going tonight against Vicente Padilla. I’m confident in Pineiro, and I’m confident that the offense will get going. I’m the most confident about the team in the series so far. Hopefully we win tonight and start what could be a great comeback – we could put our name alongside other teams who’ve accomplished this great feat. Let’s get ’em boys! GO CARDS!
I have a good feeling about this - Ben Crenshaw, in a press conference on the night of Sept. 25, 1999. The American Ryder Cup team was down 4 points and came back and won the following day. It was, and still is, the largest comeback in Ryder Cup history.
Let's get it together boys, and let's shock the world!
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I have a good feeling about this - Ben Crenshaw, in a press conference on the night of Sept. 25, 1999. The American Ryder Cup team was down 4 points and came back and won the following day. It was, and still is, the largest comeback in Ryder Cup history.
Let's get it together boys, and let's shock the world!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 10, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
who else wants a new thread today?
dunno about you, but I’m feeling a helluva lot better, and some new vibes would be good.
and a thread that doesn’t have any nutshots would be great too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
yep
I was just thinking the same thing
by LandSickness on Oct 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in
I have a good feeling about this - Ben Crenshaw, in a press conference on the night of Sept. 25, 1999. The American Ryder Cup team was down 4 points and came back and won the following day. It was, and still is, the largest comeback in Ryder Cup history.
Let's get it together boys, and let's shock the world!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll get on it.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Oct 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A guy just walked in where I work wearing a Cardinals jersey
It’s the first time I’ve ever seen one here in New Orleans. It’s all Cubs and Astros stuff down here. Welcome change.
Yay change!
I have a good feeling about this - Ben Crenshaw, in a press conference on the night of Sept. 25, 1999. The American Ryder Cup team was down 4 points and came back and won the following day. It was, and still is, the largest comeback in Ryder Cup history.
Let's get it together boys, and let's shock the world!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I just thew my waino jersey on for the first time this postseason.
good things.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
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