To Hit or not To Hit
It’s interesting that Joe Torre chose to intentionally walk Albert Pujols in 2 of his 1st 3 plate appearances in the series. Both PAs featured an empty base at first. Anyone see a pattern here? Both were terrible decisions, IMO, though they both worked out for the Dodgers. Bases loaded, no one out, first inning? Terrible decision, Joe. You got lucky! What’s interesting is that the Dodgers led the NL in intentional walks with 68 this season. The Cards, who prefer to pitch around hitters – the UNintentional intentional – were last in the NL in intentional walks w/ just 23. Then he pulls Randy Wolf in the top of the 4th? Is this a prelude toward using him to start game 4, so that Torre can avoid using the slumping Chad Billingsley? Interesting moves, to say the least.
There’s always a lot of concern entering the playoffs about a team’s ability to score runs. "If we can score runs, we’ll be ok" is what a lot of people say entering the playoffs. Teams are facing the best pitching staffs and often, the best defenses as well so it’s reasonable to be concerned about a team’s ability to score runs. Hell, I’m guilty of it as well. It made me wonder how many runs a team needed to be able to score in order to be successful in the playoffs. The table below shows the number of runs scored by the 2 teams combined in each playoff series in the last 5 years, as well as the average number of runs per game scored in each league over the same time span.
| NLDS | NLCS | NL season | ALDS | ALCS | AL season | World Series | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2004 | 10.13 | 9.29 | 9.28 | 10.71 | 12.29 | 10.02 | 9.0 |
| 2005 | 11.14 | 6.33 | 8.90 | 9.75 | 6.8 | 9.52 | 8.5 |
| 2006 | 7.14 | 7.86 | 9.52 | 8.43 | 7.75 | 9.94 | 6.6 |
| 2007 | 7.67 | 6.5 | 9.42 | 9.0 | 11.86 | 9.80 | 9.75 |
| 2008 | 7.14 | 9.0 | 9.08 | 8.13 | 10.14 | 9.56 | 7.8 |
Teams have scored fewer runs than in an average game in 16 of the 25 playoff series over the last 5 years (64%) and there have been fewer runs scored on average in the playoffs than in the regular season 12 out of 15 times over the last 3 years (80%). On average over the last 5 years, 7.5% fewer runs have been scored per game in the playoffs than in the regular season. This year, NL teams averaged 8.86 runs between them per game and AL teams averaged 9.64 runs between them per game. The reality, then, is that teams really don’t have to score THAT many runs in order to win most postseason games. We need to pitch well, play good defense, and score a few runs but we don’t need to average 5 runs per game (hopefully – if we pitch and play defense well) in order to have a successful postseason. The Cardinals scored 4.51 runs per game this season and 4.64 runs per game in August through October (Matt Holliday was acquired on July 24) but we shouldn’t need to average that many runs in order to win most postseason games.
I don’t really have much to say about Chris Carpenter’s relatively poor performance so far tonight. He can’t be great every time out and the Dodgers had some good PAs but he had trouble locating all night long. His command was, for him, horrendous. It seemed to me that the only pitch he was able to consistently command was his curveball, his third best pitch throughout the season. Hopefully we’ll be able to pull this out against their bullpen or, if not, hopefully Wainwright can get us a win this evening. It wouldn’t be too bad to go back home even in the series.
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the LOBsters
A record-setting game. Longest nine inning game in NLDS history. With runners in scoring position: 3-for-13. 2-for-15. 14 LOB. 16 LOB.
That’s the Cards and Dodgers respectively. In honor of them, I will now tl;dr.
The big story’s going to be Carp, and I’m inclined to give him a pass. I would rather have the gift keep on giving than jump on him for one bad start. Except for two things: apparently he said he felt fine, which reminds me of someone….. and now his Game 4 availability is in question, which will be my first live postseason pissed-upon.
(Yadi and Boog I’ll pass too. I figured Boog would either flame out or have a great night, so two hits and no big defensive miscues — that I saw — was good enough for me. Esp. given how quickly they went to the dreaded forested bullpen. The Dodgers stuck to their game plan of “Don’t hit it to the mustachioed guy”, so they were likely trying to neutralize him too.
Yadi’s ouchie had taken him out of active duty — just when I thought he got his swing back! — so I figured he’d be rusty. In other words, they had to really screw up to disappoint me, and I thought they acquitted themselves well. Despite that Lugo moment, jebus, Yadier!)
I’ll give Carp a pass because he only allowed four runs. The Cardinals had that many in reach a few minutes into the game.
So. The LOBsters. Torre played a one-note gamble: take Albert out of the equation and make Holliday and Ludwick work for it.
Luddy came out of it with 2 singles, 2 ground outs, and a walk. Given that he’s been ice-cold lately, he was still involved in 2 of the 3 Cardinal runs. He got a single off Broxton. That’ll do, Luddy. That’ll do.
So that leaves Holliday. And Holliday choked. I mean, I’m sorry Lego Man, no pie for you. Throws weaker than Manny’s, not tagging up, not coming through in key situations. Torre removed one jenga tile, and Matt Holliday blinked. No, sorry, he didn’t blink — he threw a couple of Glausian fits. Yes, the ump effin’ deserved it. Effin’ ump. But Holliday signed on for a mercenary job and he. Did. Not. Do. It.
Besides, Ludwick made up for his lack of thunderwick with his stunning defense, holy cow those throws were awesome (Rick who?) I want Luddy to stay as long as he’s healthy, I mean, plant him in the ground or something, because that’s veteran presence you can’t buy and that’s defense that’s smart and good.
Skip? Hit the lefties. Albert turned out his usual ridiculous even-flat-on-my-back defense. DeRosa, despite a cubs-like brainfart, went 4-5 despite being mauled on the hand. Colby drew a walk and teleported to 2nd, smoooooth!
So oddly enough… all the stuff I was worried about didn’t come to pass. The new kids showed no nerves. All the little things that went wrong didn’t conspire to push it over the edge … except when the veterans messed up.
Yeah, I’ll go there. Carp made it possible for the Dodgers to win. But that game was lost because Holliday choked. And who played below their level? All the players with playoff experience.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 8, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Summed up nicely.
There’s really not a whole lot else to be said. Last night reminded me of…gasp…2004. A lot of no-shows in big situations from some big names. I couldn’t shake this terrible feeling that the proverbial “fire” just wasn’t there in the guys who had already “been there before”.
Oh well. The beauty of baseball is that there is life after Game 1. Let’s hope A.D.A.M. shows his Cy-caliber stuff and we all have a lot less LOBster to go around.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 8, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday's 1st AB
was embarrassingly awful. Being patient and taking pitches is fine. Not taking the bat off your shoulder with the bases juiced and NOBODY OUT is not fine. He made Torre look way smarter than he actually is.
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by TurdFerguson on Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have one of the best screen names I've seen on here.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Turd Ferguson. It's a funny name."
“Great.”
/Trebek
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by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 8, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burt Reynolds.
That’s not my name.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burt Reynolds was Trebek's Sean Connery before Sean Connery was Trebek's Sean Connery
Burt Reynolds: Ha-ha! Yeah, I found this backstage, an over-sized hat. It’s funny.
Alex Trebek: No, it’s not!
Burt Reynolds: Sure it is. It’s funny. It’s funny because it’s ah, bigger than, ah.. [ clears throat ] ..you know, a normal hat.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was always my favorite.
What do you want?
You buzzed in.
No I didn’t.
Yes you did!
That’s your opinion.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even as Burt Reynolds, Norm MacDonald is still Norm MacDonald.
or Billy Bean, apparently
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that Wolf didn't throw a single strike that at bat
by dcfcblues on Oct 8, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He threw three fastballs in the exact same spot...
and they were all “close enough”. Holliday effed up in a BIG spot.
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by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he did.
All he needed was a fly ball to get on the board. Can’t get that without swinging.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were too close to take on strike 2 and 3 anyway, ESPECIALLY
after the first one was called.

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by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa old school gameday
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 8, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably cracks his bat for a DP on those pitches anyway btw
You can’t hit a pitch 2 inches off the inside of the plate.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think he couldn't have adjusted for that?
To just hit a fly ball? I think he could’ve, but he didn’t try. You know, maybe if he’d taken the bat off his shoulder and offered at one, Wolf would’ve pitched him differently.
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by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Step in the bucket,
and lift the ball to the outfield. Seems simple enough.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're second guessing his take of a pitch that was not a strike.
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by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I am.
The ump called the pitch a strike, and it wasn’t like it was a foot off the plate. What recourse does Holliday have? If the ump says it’s a strike, it’s a strike. Might as well swing.
OR
Get pissed because you know the ump is wrong. Do nothing. Throw fit.
Holliday was “right” and he got nothing out of it.
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by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(meant to say "ump had ALREADY called the pitch a strike...")
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by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had also called the same pitch a ball
on the first 2 pitches of the at bat.
I can’t blame Holliday for not swinging.
by dcfcblues on Oct 8, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second pitch was further inside.
It was way too close to take when the most recent calls of that pitch were strikes.
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by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ump called that same pitch a ball earlier in the count
How as Holliday supposed to know he would call it a strike the next time?
by vivaelpujols on Oct 8, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he called it a strike the next two times.
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by spants on Oct 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody told me how to do this last season, but I forgot
How do you screen capture Gamecast and post it on VEB?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use Alt print screen
then paste when I email it to someone.
"The almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he’s pretty sure you’re screwed" Albert to opposing pitchers.
by swmofan on Oct 8, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure if that works here.
"The almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he’s pretty sure you’re screwed" Albert to opposing pitchers.
by swmofan on Oct 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shift print screen
Go into Paint, paste the image into paint. Edit it as necessary, save it, upload it to a picture-sharing site, then post as you would any other image
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by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that I buy that, personally.
I have repeated elsewhere in the thread that I though the K zone was pretty off. I know that watching the AB, I winced on all four of those pitches, including hte first one that was called a ball.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
but you have consider. Has Carpenter just run out of gas for the season? If so I can understand it, he has missed really 2 years and it is hard to expect on his first year back to be strong all year without end of the year fatigue. Losing command is the first sign.
Also I agree, Holliday’s bat in the first inning was a sorry sight. Much worse than Ankiel’s pitiful 3rd strike in 9th.
by ridgesee on Oct 8, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was hitting 95 last night
and all of his pitches looked sharp, he just couldn’t find his command at all last night. Generally this is when he struggles, and I’ve been watching him pitch for the better part of 5 different seasons now.
I don’t think he’s out of gas, I would argue his arm had more life in it last night and that he wasn’t able to find his command because of it.
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by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this assessment.
He had great stuff. His cutter sucked early on, but I was pleased with his 2-seamer.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish he would have thrown moar of those
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
imho he was affected
by the long waits in between innings and the loooong timeouts the dodgers players kept taking. They forced him to stand there for 2-3 minutes with the ball in his hand after warming up and before a batter would step in, so they could do television commercials, and it was getting to him.
And in between every pitch, the dodger player would step out, walk all the frigging way back to the dugout, stand there, then come back to the plate; carp was standing out there like “wtf”? and then when the guy finally got in the box, carp would step on the rubber and the guy would step out again. All the while the crowd was very, very loud. Lots of gamesmanship going on.
The home plate umpire should never have allowed them to take that many time outs, or to stay out of the box for as long as they did when they took time out.
Yadi didn’t help, either- he seemed to take forever to get set. Although the antics were probably harder on him than on carp since he was having to spend all that time in a squat.
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by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thus the 14 hour game time.
I was thinking the same thing watching.
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by RiverRat on Oct 8, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBS coverage was pretty awful
How come Holiday didn’t tag up on that fly ball? All I could think was that because it was somewhat questionable if it would be caught he was halfway to 3rd.
by OCCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want to be able to score if the ball isn't caught.
If he’s tagging up, I don’t think that he could score on a ball that isn’t caught. He probably ends up at third or gets thrown out at home on a close play.
After watching replays of the game this morning, it looked to me like he thought that Ethier was going to have to play it off the wall, so he went halfway knowing he would score unless Ethier made a great catch, which he did, and knowing that he would still be in scoring position with two outs otherwise.
Had there been no outs in the inning, I think he tags up immediately, but with one out I think you have to trust you instincts there. It was not “bad baserunning”, it was simply a decision that didn’t turn out good for the Cardinals. It’s baseball, these things happen.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
he just screwed up. A guy is going to score on a ball hit to the wall that isn’t caught, esp one with holliday’s speed. And he wasn’t anywhere near halfway- more like 5-6 steps.
I think it was just a mental error.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whither Colby?
Dude had a good night.
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by spants on Oct 8, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah he did
hopefully he earned another start tonight…Rick sure didnt, but that damn fine Skip worries me…
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by nomar34 on Oct 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too worried
Having a lot of LOB’s sucks, but on the good side that is a lot of people OB. I would rather see a game with a lot of stranded runners than a game with no runners.
I couldn’t believe that Tony didn’t pinch hit for Carp in the 5th with Colby on second. Wolf had already been pulled and I thought it would be a no-brainer to pinch hit in that situation. I don’t know what value Tony thought Carp was going to give being still in the game.
by graffin on Oct 8, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially if that 5th inning...
is the difference between Carp being available on Sunday or not.
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by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
Carp was clearly a bad bet to right the ship, and at that, probably only for 1 inning at best.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
I couldn’t believe it. That’s EXACTLY the reason he has 8 relievers in the pen.
Also, Colby should have been on third. No idea why he stopped at second.
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by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Wainwright has emerged this season as the 1a to Carpenter’s 1 (when healthy). Tonight he gets to play the roll of stopper in the NLDS. The Cards still have a shot taking 1 out of the first 2 games in LA. That said, if the Cards loose tonight, the series is done because I don’t think the team can take 3 straight from the Dodgers.
Last night was a story of poor timely hitting and weak pitching. The Cards must reverse that story tonight if they are to have a shot when the series goes back to St. Louis.
by JMedwick on Oct 8, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
worried yes?
not in panic mode yet, will be if the Cards offense will be anemic again with runners on, and Torre is gutless not to pitch to Pujols, i do believe Holliday will shake this and punish the ball today when Pujols gets the walk. But at the same time there is a reason why Torre has 4 rings
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Oct 8, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah: really, really, really good players
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Holliday gets a hit and drives in a run both of those times
than Torre has to answer a lot of questions about why he’s putting Pujols on, especially if Albert scores after being IBB’d.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he pitches to Albert and he gets a hit
he has to answer to even more questions about why he’s letting the one person you don’t let beat you, beat him.
then again, if he goes after Pujols and gets him out, which seemed easy to do last night, he’s a man’s man and true skipper who has faith in his pitchers to get the out.
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depressed this Mooorning.....
…but I’d like to point out Skip’s 2 fer 3 performance last night, with a walk, an RBI, and a run scored. He did pretty well, and the universe did not explode, as some would have it. That is all.
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by The MooCow on Oct 8, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skip, Colby and Luddy all had pretty solid games
Silver lining
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by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blame to go around
I hate to rag on Holliday, but not taking the bat off your shoulder with the bases loaded and no outs is stunningly inexcusable; I also do not agree with his half-way stance when he was on second base on that deep fly ball to right field.
Alas, my pre-game prediction (that Glaus would strike out looking, and bitching about it, and that AnKiel would K with a wild swing) “sorta” came true.
At least Glaus had healthy cuts; but Ricky, after two fairly good swings at strikes on the outside corner, whiffs by watching one right over the heart of the plate.
DeRo’s airball; Carp unable to lay down a bunt the first time; Yadi muffing their sac bunt attempt: I didn’t find much to be happy about.
by the Tewk on Oct 8, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...bases loaded...AND NO ONE OUT
All we need is a deep flyball and we score a run. Once he got up, he absolutely should have been looking for one pitch to drive, and, if he didn’t get, he should have taken it. Which he did. But, after that, you need to think about scoring the run, IMO.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well after the ump called that ball a strike 2 times in a row
you might want to re-think taking that pitch.
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by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seemed like the only AB where that pitch was a strike
oh well, doesn’t matter now. after seeing Jeter hit a 2 R Hr in the Yankees game I had a bad feeling after the Kemp HR. Time for Wainwright to strike out smoking in L.A. today
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
He needed to adjust his approach to focus on getting the run in, not demonstrating his strength of will to the umpire by refusing to swing at the inside pitch which the ump was calling a “strike” even though it was three inches off the plate.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, shouldn't that be a pitch you can drive?
I mean, really, Wolf throws it pretty hard, but as a top major league hitter, if the guy throws the same pitch in the same place three times in a row, shouldn’t you turn on it and drive it?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In thinking back...
I think Holliday was dead set on something breaking/offspeed there. Who’s gonna think that a lefty is going to throw three straight hittable fastballs to a power hitter. I think he was froze up…though he was pretty miffed at the ump.
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by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope that our clean-up hitter isn't guessing
up there, but maybe that’s the answer. Doesn’t make it any better a mistake, though.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he was making a mistake.
I think he was taking.
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by spants on Oct 8, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Holliday put on a display but
the pitches looked good to me …even one that was called a ball. bad looking plate appearance any way you look at it.
by ridgesee on Oct 8, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I earnestly...
disagree with those pitches looking good. In the sense of a “Pitcher’s Pitch,” yeah, sure, they were great. Were they strikes? Absolutely not.
by mynameistyler on Oct 8, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Rick's defense
that one that split the plate DID hit 100 MPH on the gun. And that after getting thrown two good sliders for strikes that he was able to foul off. I’m not sure he could have caught up to that fastball even if he had been looking for it.
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by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked to me like Ankiel got duked by Martin.
Martin brushed his glove in the dirt to dupe Ankiel and, judging my Ankie’s reaction, it looked like it worked. He was not at all ready for where the pitch came in at or the velocity at which it was thrown. It’s one of the first times I’ve ever actually felt like the catcher’s trick worked.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the knees + not over the middle + 100 mph = 99.8% fail rate
(in my world anyway)
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
belt high + over the middle + 65 MPH = 99.8% fail rate
in my world.
But ya, I’m with you. Can’t fault Ank for that AB.
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Duncan
hate 4 seam fastballs for Cards’ pitchers to throw. Four seamers have worked our ass over pretty good lately.
by ridgesee on Oct 8, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as encouraging signs go
getting some hits and a run off Broxton was good to see, even if it took some defensive indifference/incompetence. I’m not looking forward to that bullpen any time soon. Let’s hope we can squeak a few runs out of Kershaw and Adam can hold it down.
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why worry?
We’ve already beaten Broxton this year.
by sdrone on Oct 8, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to someone on the radio this morning
the ball ludwick hit down the line with the bases loaded was fair and was a missed call by the umpire
i haven’t seen any replays though, so i can’t confirm it (not that it really matters)
by dcfcblues on Oct 8, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TBS sucks
no replay?
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBS sucks
for many other reasons, to boot. Technical difficulties? Thanks a bunch, MLB.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Oct 8, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as much as i bag on TBS
I love love LOVE the k-zone up there for every pitch. That is epic.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a niceuse of the extra widthin the HD feed
If they’re not gonna frame sports directly for HD, I definitely like this approach
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must have only been an HD thing
I kept wondering what people were talking about last night with a “red zone”
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, it's on the right half of the HD feed
so it’s cut out in the SD one
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I shouldn't have let the wife have the HD last night...
she just likes watching people cry on Dr. Phil in HD I guess
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too!
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(I need to get an HD TV...sigh, when I get the resources...)
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an HD tv, but it's older and in the standard aspect ratio.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the TV I have now in 2004
It was pretty good back then, it’s a decent size, but it’s not HD. Obviously, the TV market has changed considerably since then, and I’m not making much more money than I did back then. Once I get my master’s and get a real job that pays well, it’s going to be one of my first “big” purchases.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were rocking a 21" tv that we'd had since 03 until
my BFF’s husband told us that if we moved his old behemoth of a TV (which he was replacing with the most beautiful TV I’ve seen in person) we could have it. Instant way bigger, HD tv. Voila!
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hooray for wealthy friends!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wealthier, anyway!
YAY!
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K zone missing in the late innings though
Seemed like their K-zone machine went MIA after all the technical difficulties though. There were some pitches from Hawk and Boggs that I would have loved to see where they missed. Besides the ump missing some of their strikes, both of them looked pretty sharp. Something to have hope about in our bulpen, because K-mac is continuing to look terrible.
It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great.
by lukyduk on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else feel that the K-zone was off?
I mean, I like it in theory and all, but it didn’t seem to be particularly accurate to me. Of course, it didn’t help that Dick Stockton is apparently blind. I mean, seriously, could he have been more off on pitch description last night?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
seemed like EVERY strike was “right down the middle” even when it was three inches off the plate. You’d think he was broadcasting radio…assuming the audience can’t see.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the announcers were just horrible.
at one point one of them said "and he just threw him a fastball right down central. then they replay the pitch with the k-zone and it was high and tight at the top of the zone. they said the wrong name at least once and went with it. painful to listen to.
by RedJoker on Oct 8, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, when the play-by-play guy called a slider a fastball
and then Brenly corrected him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from HD,
they stopped showing K-Zone for Dodgers’ pitches after the horrendous call on strike 3 to Holliday in the first. Not surprising that they wouldn’t show an instant replay of the Ludwick flyball, if it was, in fact, fair.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's always been my cynical assumption
if it was foul, they would have showed a replay. Because they didn’t, imho it was fair.
It sure looked fair from the seats.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought it was pretty clearly foul
plus, do you really think the GOBs would miss an opportunity to screw us over?
by mattyp on Oct 8, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did you get to see where it landed?
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked fair to me but
you know, GOD FORBID WE HAVE REPLAYS.
Brenly must have been rolling his eyes. The Chicago broadcasts replay everything, even groundouts.
by sdrone on Oct 8, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBS replay fail
I guess that someone wle probably already posted, nevertheless…
I just went to the MLB.TV archive of game 1. The video is BLACK for the Ludwick foul ball (about 1:43 into broadcast), but there’s a perfect picture of Weaver fielding the subsequent squibber that killed the rally.
I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist, but show me the evidence, and I’ll go away quietly!
by baked mcbride on Oct 8, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i had a buddy that swore the ball was fair
not sure why he was so adamant
I will say that we were less than 6 inches from being up 5-4
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camera angles were horrible
It looked fair from the horrible angle, but I don’t know for sure
Was there really no other camera on the ball?
by saladdays on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
technical difficulties.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we first got Holliday
I said something like “he’s gonna have to be MVP of the World Series for this trade to be worth it”. Not looking good so far.
by lawman3842 on Oct 8, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering our season may be over.....
if we hadn’t traded for him, I’d consider it a sucess already. Not completely his fault that the lineup isn’t hitting, and that our ace didn’t show up. We weren’t a legit threat to much of anything before that trade, and now we are.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Oct 8, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday acquisition put us in the best position to win the WS
This year and probably the best chance within the next 5 too. You don’t have 3 dominate starters like that and a lights out ahem closer often with the world’s greatest hitter in his prime often.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Lights out closer?"
Surely you aren’t talking about Franklin, because he has sucked this year.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in all seriousness
He has been anything but lights out for the past month or two
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say if the lights were out
because I’ve had my eyes shut.
¡Ya basta!
by random on Oct 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering our season may be over…..
if we hadn’t traded for him,
You really think we’re not in the post-season if not for Holliday?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 8, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly don't think it's a given.....
But who knows for sure. We certainly wouldn’t be a threat IN the playoffs without him, IMO.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Oct 8, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't around in the game threads last night.....
But I’m sure what I’m about to say was said many times.
There were 3 goats last night, IMO. In order of most goatyness, to least:
Carpenter – What a craptastic start to the playoffs. From the first pitch, his mannerisms seemed lethargic to me. He HAS to do better. We can’t throw our ace out there and have him give up 4 ER’s in 5 innings. That is ridiculous. Not being able to bunt didn’t help things either. He looked as if he had never attempted to bunt before. As competitive as he is, and as long as he has been in the league, I expect a better bunting effort out of him.
Holliday – Again, seemed to be playing with no energy at all. That strikeout looking in the 1st was HUGE. We had a chance to bust things open, and he takes 3 fastballs for strikes. His swing seemed long and behind all night.
Albert – He is our big gun, and he needs to produce something when he gets three AB’s. Not sure I remember him taking a good swing all night. And for the love of God, if he keeps throwing balls to the pitcher covering first froma his back, rather than at least sitting up, I guarantee he is going to put one in the dugout soon. He had time, sit up, and make that throw about 50% easier on yourself.
All in all a pretty lackluster effort. I guess you could add Molina and Glaus to the above list if you wanted. Molina looked terrible at the plate, and Glaus swung at 3 balls to strikeout. Pretty much a must win tonight, IMO. You don’t go down 2 games to none, with your two aces burnt, and manage to win the next 3, even if two are at home, very often. What was everybody’s thoughts last night about the way the game was managed? I didn’t see too many moves that would be considered arguable, but then again, I don’t think like alot of folks that post here.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Oct 8, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about assigning blame like this.
Carpenter didn’t have his best stuff out there, but he ground it out and gave us a chance to win. If we get two more hits in any of the first four innings, we are all praising Carpenter for gutting it out even though he didn’t have his best stuff. The loss, in my opinion is on the offense collectively. Nearly every player had a chance to drive in runs and nearly every player came up short. We had 11 hits for the game and only three of them were with runners on-base. We were unlucky in that regard.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
though...
as much as the game could’ve been better for us, it could’ve been a lot worse for us as well. Both pitchers played with fire all night long and ours managed to get slightly more burned than theirs…. but I felt like either of them could’ve just been lit up for 6, 7, or even 8 runs on just a moments notice.
by duncans_army on Oct 8, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carpenter Meltdown
Very good recognition of why we lost. Those 3 guys, plus Wainwright are our key advantage over the Dodgers. They seem to be a more well rounded team than we are, but with the absent hitting of Manny, they just don’t have the superstar producers like we do. If those guys aren’t gonna produce like superstars, we have nothing over LA.
On the plus side of Carps meltdown, he hasn’t pitched that badly in back to back starts this year, so should be fine tuned for a potential game 5.
It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great.
by lukyduk on Oct 8, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree on everything but yadier
i thought he played a pretty good game…he ripped the ball on his bases loaded dp, it just went right too belliard…and he also crushed one to the track in right, but we didn’t tag for some reason(could have been a productive out)
Albert has got to step up tonight…he is beginning to get an A-Rod type reputation in the postseason(though not as bad, he does not have great postseason’s)
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Prior to last night:
.323/.429/.593/1.022
Terrible!
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sarcasm fail
sorry
though a dodgers fan was trying make the point on memphis sports radio yesterday
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't be serious!!!
Albert has got to step up tonight…he is beginning to get an A-Rod type reputation in the postseason(though not as bad, he does not have great postseason’s)
Is this your opinion or have you heard this repeated often? I wonder what Brad Lidge thinks!
by chuckb on Oct 8, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
Lost in the hullabaloo of ’04 Beltran—-Pujols probably outhit him during that NLCS by a hair.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1.000+ career OPS in the postseason is "A-Rod like"?
You’ve got to be kidding me….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For comparison, A- Rod has OPSed .856 in the playoffs, 1.024 in the ALCS.
“A-Rod like” shouldn’t be an insult, but Pujols is still crushing that pace.
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
I think A-Rod takes way too much heat for “not producing”, but then again, Bill Buckner was a great defensive first baseman for most of his career, but everyone knows the name because of his boot in Game 6 of the ’86 Series.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only TLR criticism...
is leaving Carp in to bunt in the top of the fifth. He was already over eighty pitches, and didn’t have “good stuff”. I would have preferred to see Lugo PH in that spot. Of course that shortens your bench pretty early. It wasn’t a huge non-move, but I didn’t agree with it.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was wondering the same thing.
he was struggling on the mound, guy in scoring position…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would've rather seen Lugo PH instead of Glaus
I just like his approach better. Glaus was in there to “hit a 3R HR” and his approach showed it.
Lots to be frustrated about. Hopefully we’ll bounce back in Game 2.
by goodymobb on Oct 8, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we'd see a PHer,
and Lohse getting loose. But, we didn’t. I think TLR felt that we’d get more opportunities since we had had so many in the early innings.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought TLR managed the game fine
a lot of people were complaining that Rasmus was pinch-hit for by Glaus when they had the lefty up, which is perhaps arguable, but I think you could go either way on that one.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 8, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because IBB'ing Albert and getting away with it was lucky doesn't
mean it wasn’t the right decision. Couldn’t you analogize it to a poker player who has calculated the odds and determined the statistically prudent decision would be to lay down his hand. In most cases he will and it will be the right decision, but every so often he’ll recognize something in his opponent that alerts his instincts and prompts and him to call. In other words, the human element must be accounted because the game is not played in a vacuum where numbers always unequivocally predominate. This team is playing weak right now, everyone can see it and Torre no doubt recognizes it. (Now of course this is a little off-base because I’m sure Torre hasn’t “calculated the odds,” but I think the analogy still somewhat stands)
by mattyp on Oct 8, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the human element in poker is more "reliable" and SHOULD be calculated in the odds
The only way to “know” is if the opponent flat out flips over his hand and shows you, no matter what your super trained adaptive unconscious (“gut”) tells you. You put a guy on the range and factor in a bluff. If your “gut” is telling you something is off then you change his range so your odds calculate differently.
There is no way Torre picked up a “tell” on holliday.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in otherwords Torre's gut picked up on a nonexistent pattern
completely ignoring empirical evidence. Your gut is excellent for people reading (3 parts of your brain is dedicated specifically for people reading) but handling something as abstract as baseball, not so much.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so much a tell as a general recognition of an opportune instance to gamble
I mean, let’s assume Torre keeps up this strategy for the whole series and the Cards never capitalize; in other words, the statistics fail to bear out in this sample. Now, doesn’t that mean: (a) The statistics are wrong; (b) it was a statistical anomaly or outlier; or © the statistics didn’t apply in a 1:1 sense. All I’m saying is that I think its a matter of ©. The statistics apply in a broad, overarching sense, but in any independent small sample, you could use observable real world circumstance to inform your decision, make a decision that contradicts the statistics, and “be right” every time.
by mattyp on Oct 8, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you lost me
but what I think you are saying is that in the Playoffs everthing is a small sample size so never fold and always see what the river brings?
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, that's the whole point of empirical evidence.
you replay that moment a significant amount of time and he’s wrong most of the times he’s right.
When you’re dealing with such small edges the number distribution is going to come up with all sorts of goofy patterns that your mind tries to assign a pattern to just because it can’t handle abstract data.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're looking at this the wrong way
Just because it worked, doesn’t mean it was the right decision.
It’s been statistically proven that putting a runner on in nearly any situation will lead to a bad outcome over the long run, so empirically it doesn’t matter what the sample size is, it’s a bad decision regardless of the eventual outcome.
If I told you that people who jump off a bridge die 60% of the time and you jump off the bridge any way and live, does that mean that your decision to jump was a good one? The ends don’t justify the means.
BTW, if this is truly how you play poker, my home game just found an open seat.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the playoffs aren't a long run
did jumping off the bridge give me a chance to avoid someone chasing me?
(if this was strictly a poker conversation, sorry.)
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
but only if you are a doctor, hunting a one-armed man.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one hand of poker isn't the long run either
but that doesn’t mean you can justify your bad decisions by saying “well it worked that time”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dick in a toaster
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea what this even means
but i still LOL’d pretty hard.
This will be my new non sequitur phrase.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good old red baron
Let’s think of it this way: say that, one day, I was sitting in my kitchen, having some toast, and it suddenly occurred to me that I have never put my penis into a toaster. “I wonder what that’s like?”, I ask myself aloud. So, deciding that this is just something I have to do, I proceed to wander over to the toaster and just pop it right in there. Further curious, I then push down the lever. Well, of course, I then end up with horrific burns to my genitals.
So, what do I do? Well, being in no shape to put on pants to drive myself to the hospital, I call the paramedics, and they show up in no time. Among the paramedics is a gorgeous young woman, who proceeds to begin ministering to my, er, injuries. Emboldened by the fact that we’re already to about third base (Actually, I have no idea how the base system works on a man. Anyone know?), I relax, and am able not only to make witty, intelligent conversation, but I have absolutely no fear in asking this young woman out. Impressed by my wit, confidence, and the sheer amount of scar tissue I’m going to end up with- if you know what I mean- she accepts my invitation. We go out on a date, and then another, and another, and before you know it, we’re happily married for twenty years.
Now, given the above scenario, there are two ways of looking at it. You could say, “Wow, Aaron. You really lucked out on that one! Just imagine, none of this great fortune would have happened if you hadn’t decided to Chris Duncan that toaster! I mean, yeah, it was still dumb, and you lost almost all feeling in your genitals, but look at how great life is otherwise!” Or, you could say, “Wow, Aaron. You’re brilliant! I wish I were smart enough to try and fuck a toaster!”
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/4/29/858744/swingin-and-not-just-dick
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, how did I miss that one, originally?
That is some funny, funny stuff. Kind of reminds me of the Eddie Murphy routine about putting Old Spice on his penis. “Eddy, why you got your dick in the sink? That’s naaasty!”
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 8, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need more coffee this morning
*Eddie on the second one, too.
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 8, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks RB

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you were getting to third base.
At least not my understanding of third base. Unless she was doing something weird.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you gotta ask...
you can’t handle.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably true.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are jokes to me be made here
But they are not appropriate jokes for a family site.
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Put Me..
…off my bagel…
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 8, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I eat you, and you're eating a bagel,
do i have to count the calories in the bagel too?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
No free lunches
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 14, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that one time wins me a playoff game
I feel pretty good about it.
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DICK IN A TOASTER!!
:-)
VEB word of the day app on my iPhone would make my life compelete.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that's like justifying dropping your paycheck on lotto
because “you had a feeling”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did I win?
did I have enough in savings to cover it?
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
It doesn’t matter what the outcome is to justify whether you made a poor decision or not.
How many times do you see a poker player go all in on a bluff, get called by a made hand, then hit trips on the river or something to win the pot? He won the pot, but he made a horrible decision and got lucky.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather be lucky than good
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you can only control one of those things
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it, beat me to it
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can control being "good" via decision making
you can’t control lucky
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Tom Watson used to say
“The more I practice, the luckier I get”
I’d rather be good than lucky, and I think that the better I am the luckier I’m going to get. Seemingly, the more I play things the right way, the more the outcomes will favor me, making me look “lucky” when in fact I’m just playing things the right way as much as possible.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
so lets say he walks him in every RBI situation in the rest of the series. Only instead, Holliday hits a home run every other time that he walks Pujols, and you lose the series 3-2 because of Holliday’s homer with 2 outs in the 9th of Game 5 after you walked Pujols with a man on second and a 2 run lead.
Now how do you feel about it?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely undstand the logic
logic doesn’t play as big a role in one game or a short series. over 162 games? yes, play the logic.
(IMO, FWIW, TWSS)
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take the 51 over the 49 every time
Every. single. time.
Short run or long run. Doesn’t matter.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
51% of the time, that works
Every time.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But each game of a season is a single sample
You’re saying that you would play it one way all year, MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, and then completely change the way you play a certain situation? All because the playoffs are a “smaller sample”? That is a complete misunderstanding of the logic at play here…
Small sample sizes don’t matter in this situation — they only truly matter when trying to predict events in the future. You can’t use a the events that occur in a small sample size to predict the outcome of events. But if you run a simulation over hundreds of thousands of innings of a certain situation, it becomes clear what the right play and the wrong play are. Essentially you arguing about “small sample sizes” being relevant here actually detracts from the point you’re trying to make.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry, I'm confusing myself too
I’m not trying to say small sample sizes should be used. what I’m trying to say is that the playoffs are a small sample size so no one knows what the hell is going to happen. Gambles in the playoffs are what lead to the great games and moments.
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wholeheartedly disagree
Gambles in the playoffs are what lead to the great games and moments.
Gambles create playoff goats just as often (see Little, Grady). Ignoring the other side of the coin is foolish.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
without bad
there would be no good
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, this is just nonsensical now.
Its not emasculating to acquiesce to progress in logical thinking and change your mind.
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by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sensationalizing incorrect decisions
doesn’t make them correct.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it makes them interesting
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it doesn't.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting is in the eye of the beholder
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is "interest level created" even a criteria for decision making?
That is stupid
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that on fangraphs or a BP stat?
IC = interest created
(conventional wisdom – empirical facts + sensationalism)/PA
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't you ever just want to be "stupid"?
sit back, have a beer & cheer for your favorite team? It is an empiracal fact that I enjoy the taste of beer. It is an empirical fact that when the Cardinals score a run I feel joy. It is an empircal fact that when the other team scores a run I feel sorrow.
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and this conversation
makes me want to go find a puppy and kick it.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
as long as that makes you feel good, go for it.
I’m not trying to be an ass, nor am I completely ignorant of the numbers game. It’s just at this point in the season I don’t want to think about numbers. I just want to shut the intelligent part of my brain down and watch some playoff baseball.
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is when it matters most
And the intelligent part of your brain should be kicked in to high gear.
Thinking and drinking aren’t enemies. It’s much easier to cheer for a team that isn’t making bone-head moves and is doing everything possible to maximize their chances of winning.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ignorance is bliss
(I’m running out of sayings to steal)
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last word.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So just so we are clear:
incorrect + “interesting” > correct + “boring” ?
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dollar dollar dollar bills y'all
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Doyle Brunson would say
Take any edge you can find, because over the long haul the little edges are the ones that pay off big.
For instance, I’ll play a pair of deuces against Ace-King heads up all the time, even though the pair of deuces are only a 53-47 favorite. Why? Because the odds are in my favor to do so. If I don’t play them, I’m actually giving my opponent the edge because he’s winning money with a hand that isn’t favored.
The playoffs themselves aren’t a long run, but that doesn’t make any difference. If you don’t play it by the book and it works, that doesn’t mean it was the right decision, it just means it worked that time. You don’t have any idea when your wrong decision will pay off or not, just that the decision itself goes against the empirical evidence that supports the counter argument.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the "it's stupid to IBB" theory
but I really do think Pujols is the exception to the rule. (even though he hasn’t looked good at the plate lately)
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with nobody out, the success of an IBB has a lot more to do with the next three guys than the walkee
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who will always be inferior to Pujols
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but there's three of them
the chance of all three of them failing to drive home a run is almost certainly lower than pujols failing to do so in one shot. This has been rehashed a few times since the chuckb post on the matter. It obviously worked out for the Dodgers last night, but I’ll be perfectly happy if they IBB him again tonight (assuming Holliday decides to swing this time).
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they walk him every time the rest of the series
It will lead to runs for the Cardinals if they continue to do this.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
but I will believe it when I see it. And he probably will get walked a lot
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would also bring down his OPS
which is ridiculous
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His SLG wouldn't be affected by IBBs
It’s calculated using ABs.
His OBP, in the meantime, would skyrocket.
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed slugging was normalized by PAs
OPS is even more arbitrary than I realized
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, slugging is an average
not a percentage, so normlaizing it by PA would be unfair to those who drew a lot of walks.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
adding together two numbers with different normalizations without any scaling coefficients just seems fundamentally strange. I suppose that’s what we have wOBA for.
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to pile on,
you’re saying that the likelihood of the Cards scoring runs is lower with Matt Holliday plus an extra man on base than with Albert Pujols alone. This isn’t true, and that’s not a theory. The numbers have been exhaustively studied and the IBB is universally acknowledged to be a bad idea in situations like yesterday (if I recall there are actually situations where it is a good idea- for instance late and close when giving up any runs is bad and the actual number of runs given up does not matter very much). You’re also making some of the assumptions that incorrectly feed into the idea that hitters “protect” one another in a lineup. The fact that the Dodgers got out of that situation does not mean the IBB was good decision.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again, I understand.
It’s probably just the case of failure burning a deeper memory than success, but it just seems like walking Pujols this year has helped the other team more than it has hurt the other team.
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't a Pujols IB lead to a Ludwick GS in one case?
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that one
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they said during the broadcast last night
that Cardinals hitters are batting .353 after a Pujol IBB, or something along those lines
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and chuckb ran through the incidents of IBB's to pujols.
where it was appropriate, it worked out well generally. where it was inappropriate, a lot of runs scored.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss that phrase
“a lot of runs scored” when was the last time, as cardinals fans, we got to say that about our team?
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
about a week ago when we won 13-0?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Na, I'd go with the game before last when we scored 7
that’s serious enough to be considered “a lot”
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is pretty serious...
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Torre is a coward.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or a genius
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
poker analogies are so 2005
as with most baseball decisions, its smart if it works, and it stupid if it doesn’t
I wil say this, if they load the bases for Holliday tonight, he will make them pay in a big way
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because IBB’ing Albert and getting away with it was lucky doesn’t
mean it wasn’t the right decision
Yes it does. That is precisely what it means.
I understand the poker analogy to some extent though.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 8, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit
The definition of odds is that is what will happen if you repeated the situation 1 million times. In a majortiy of those situations, the Cardinals will score more runs and at a higher frequency if they had walked Pujols to get to Holliday. Torre has no idea what would happen next, and going against the odds based on his “gut” is an awful decision.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 8, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the positives: Colby Rasmus
Colby PAs against the lefty, Wolf, and Weaver, I thought, were great PAs. In his first PA, he saw 7 pitches and struck a well-hit liner right to Casey Blake. In his second PA, he saw six pitches and walked. Both of those were against Wolf. In his third PA, he scalded a double down the line off of Weaver. It was enough to make me bemoan TLR’s PHing for Colby (even though Kuo is a particularly nasty lefty) with Glaus, who has seemed rusty (and understandably so) since returning. A healthy Glaus does not miss that belt high fastball over the plate which Kuo threw on the fifth pitch of the PA, and the rusty Glaus just missed it. This was but one of countless excruciating moments, but with two on, in the later innings, it sticks out to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While I was disappointed in the results (clearly)
I thought PHing Glaus was the right move. We’re gonna see a lot of Glaus and Lugo in the 7th and 8th, I’d imagine; should have some chances for redemption.
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a part of my problem with it.
The other dominoes that fell. After that, TLR brings Lugo in for Miller, who was pitching, and plays him at second base, where he is a horrible defender, and then shifts Skip to center, where he is a horrible defender, not playing Glaus at third, where he is a great defender, and removing Rasmus from center, where he is a great defender.
In that instance, I had a lot more faith in Colby to get a hit off of Kuo, even though Kuo stiffles lefthanded batters, than Glaus, because I think Glaus needs another 50 PAs to shake the rust off.
It’s a difference of opinion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Colby has a chance against Kuo there
But that did exemplify why Glaus shouldn’t be on the roster. He couldn’t get wood on three belt high fastballs that he normally would pummel off the wall. He’s clearly not right and his reaction times and bat speed are slow.
I was very happy with Colby’s overall performance last night — I almost feel like this postseason could be his coming out party if he gets enough AB’s.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thoroghly impressed with both him and the Schu-man
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got that vibe from Colbe, too...
coming out party
hehe
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby...
doh!
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you had it right the first time.
"The almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he’s pretty sure you’re screwed" Albert to opposing pitchers.
by swmofan on Oct 8, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony's post-game interview
is a little embarrassing; he reminded me or the surly, monosyllabic Bill Belichick.
by the Tewk on Oct 8, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aren't they usually embarassing?
I stopped watching them long ago because he is so rude and condescending.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you guys been reading the Eric Walker stuff on Deadspin?
Pretty awesome stuff. Part one here. I had never heard of him before, but he sounds like an interesting character in early baseball analysis. Plus: Part two features this picture:

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by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night
Were you anywhere near the guy with the “CAPTAIN OCTOBER” banner that he would unroll and drape over the upper deck guardrail every time Jeter came to the plate?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was so much Jeter-bating that I wouldn't have even noticed if I was.
Seriously, it was out of control. The guy runs this town.
Even Jay-Z was there getting in on it. Jeter came out to that new ‘New York’ song every time. And the jumbotron would pan between Jay-Z and Jeter, with Jay-Z doing the whole “hail” bowing thing. It was a spectacle.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, but since the game wasn't close, I left after Mauer's AB in the 7th
And made it just in time to see Yadi GIDP. I was the gdm of last night. Sorry.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's my fault.
I predicted that he’d be the hero of the series and his .387 with 5 RBI in yesterday’s thread. Obviously, the GOB thwarted me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay-Z was sitting next to Kate Hudson.
Why was Jay-Z sitting in the “Wives/Girlfriends” section?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that they were both in the special "celebrity" section
where they have easy access to different tunnels for entry/exit.
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by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the special sleeping with Arod section?
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by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How silly of me.
Of course there’s a Celebrity Section at New Yankee Stadium.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, the Yankees wives/girlfriends section is still extremely posh
And the visitors wives/girlfriends is definitely second rate by those standards. I don’t know what general consensus is, but the Twins families were sitting in the second deck down the third base line.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
attraction psychology at it's finest
…but any MLB’er should be able to pull some quality.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say Billy Beane looks like Norm MacDonald.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting quote in Part 2
Tony La Russa apparently took the position that you can force me to have him, but you can’t force me to play him. Jennings was on the big club’s roster for parts of four seasons, and never accomplished anything; but it is hard to accomplish anything when in four seasons you get 323 plate appearances. A precious few men can still be productive with scant and irregular play, but most cannot (that’s an analytic fact). The needless barriers between modern and old-time cost Doug Jennings a career — probably a pretty good career.
Gosh, that sounds familiar doesn’t it?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frighteningly so.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was pretty interesting.
I get the feeling that the commenters thought he was being narcissistic. And maybe he was, but dammit, you gotta toot yer own bugle from time to time.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shoulda been posted on fangraphs
or on a site that isn’t really an “entertainment” site.
by duncans_army on Oct 8, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prolly so.
But since it had to do with the “movie”, I guess that was why he went with Deadspin. But I am not arguing.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 8, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More (and more) of the same...
A lot of ink/pixels have been made of the Cardinals being able to “flip the switch” back to the on position. Last night I saw the Cardinal team that limped into the post-season.: Mistake-laden (error, hit batsman, average fielding, poor PA’s at very important parts of the game) baseball. Honestly, I wasn’t all that impressed with LA. Their starter was out early, Torre burned through their bullpen, their LOBsters were pretty much a mirror image of our home team’s. It was a fairly maddening game to watch all around. Hopefully our Cy Young-In-Waiting throws nasty strikes tonight and the Cardinals actually hit the ball out of the infield with RISP.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by p_lampe on Oct 8, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A minor quibble
There was no error last night. DeRosa’s throw did not cost an extra base (although I think he could have had a play at the plate).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or at first
it wasn’t an Error, but it was definitely and error
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get
why he didn’t go home with the throw? I guess cause hes not a third baseman
by RedJoker on Oct 8, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a very odd play.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my guess
is that he was thinking he had to turn two and that the runner on third would be off with contact. he didn’t even look up to see where the runner was, just got up and rifled one over second that made me think he was on my softball team
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I thought he thought that the runner on third would be frozen
And he had a chance for a DP if he hurried to second. Then maybe he realized he wasn’t going to get him and that messed up the throw? Strange play.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He thought it was foul...
he looked at the ump before he turned and fired to Ludwick.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 8, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I saw that too
If you watch the replay, the first thing he does is look up at the ump. If he thought it might have been fair, he wouldn’t have bothered.
Of course, it was clearly a fair ball, so chalk that up to a mental mistake for Mark of the Rose.
All in all, that play wasn’t a big deal. It was a great stop and he didn’t get an out, but in the end he still stopped a double and possibly saved a run.
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing to my upset husband.
That bad throw did nothing worse than a throw to second, but the dive stopped a double. (Still, I wish he would’ve gone home with it.)
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But I must admit, it was sort of sickening to watch that throw sail away into the Los Angeles night sky.
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I gasped.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was no play at the plate
The guy on 3rd had a big lead, ran on contact, and the ball was hit right on the line. It was hit pretty slowly, as well. Derosa was playing at double play depth so he fielded it a couple of feet past the bag, also.
Which is good, since it was slow enough that derosa could get to it, but by the time Derosa touched the ball the runner was over halfway home. But he had no angle, so if he had thrown home he would have either hit the runner or pulled yadi off the plate, and it’s very unlikely that he would have gotten it there in time for the play.
He didn’t have a play at first or second, either, even though manny wasn;t hustling to second. he should have just put the ball in his pocket.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably a camera angle issue,
but it looked like the runner was less than 1/2 way home. I don’t think he even looked at the runner.
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I think he would have certainly had a play at home. Was it a tough play? Maybe. But the runner was almost certainly no more than halfway down the line.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's lying on his belly
looking down the line at the runner’s back (andre ethier, who is a good runner).
And Yadi had to tag the runner after catching the ball.
We got really lucky, in that throwing the ball away didn’t hurt us, but there’s no way he gets ethier at home.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noted, with cliches
Overall, the lack playing a hard nine angered the Gods of Baseball.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by p_lampe on Oct 8, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
- Dana Demuth was anything but consistent last night, so why in the holy hell is Bob Brenly making it a personal crusade to say how “consistent” he’s been all night from inning 6 on? I guess if by consistent you mean consistently inconsistent on ball and strike calls throughout the game, you’d be spot on Bob. Pitch Trax don’t lie bub.
- It looked to me like Carp had a bit of a “live arm” last night. His fastballs weren’t tailing like they normally do, he was hitting 95-96 at times, and his breaking stuff was sharp but he couldn’t put it where it wanted it. I haven’t seen him missing in the middle of the plate like that save for one start all season, so I’m not worried about him, I just hope he gets to pitch again.
- We can rip on Holliday all we want, and he did execute poorly in a couple of situations, but he didn’t leave all of those guys on base — there’s plenty of blame to go around, including some for Albert at the plate, who looked anxious for maybe the first time ever. He didn’t sit on one good pitch to hit, and got himself out a number of times.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 times
but who’s counting?
The biggest “what if’s” that keep running through my head:
- what if Ludwick’s ball had been fair? (and will I ever see proof it wasn’t)
- what if Carpenter hadn’t grooved one down the middle to Kemp? Does he get out of the inning?
- what if Molina’s drive to right would have somehow snuck over Ethier’s glove?
- what if Kmac didn’t suck worse than Franklin sucks? (which is hard to do, because Franklin S.U.C.K. sucks)
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm giving him a pass on Yadi's fly to right
That’s a split second decision that you have to make. Holliday clearly thought that ball was getting over his head, and judging by the replays I would have agreed with him. Ethier didn’t go sprinting after it, got a horrible jump, and that ball was hit well. If he tags up and ends up on third with two outs I don’t think it makes a lick of difference, but if the ball had gotten over Ethier’s head and he hadn’t scored (and thus prevented Ludwick from getting to third base as well), then I think we’re drubbing him for that. He chose to be aggressive and make sure he could score, knowing that he was still in scoring position with two outs anyway.
I don’t think that’s a baserunning mistake, I think it’s a matter of making a quick decision and living with the consequences.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was my take as well
and I was the only one in the room last night (5 others) who thought so. It’s a “read” the runner has to make, and the fact that he is still in scoring position, doesn’t make a difference. He played for the “bigger” inning, and it just didn’t matriculate.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Oct 8, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of those other 4 guys
have ever been in that same situation? To me, it’s just one of those things that you can’t understand by watching the game, it’s something that you have to experience in a game situation to understand.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was a mistake, but not a costly one.
As the ball carried, Holliday could have retreated to tag. And he should have, because, given the location of the flyball, he would have easily scored were it not caught.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it didn't make any difference
If there had been 0 out, I would agree with you, but with 1 out in the inning, it really doesn’t make a huge amount of difference whether you’re on third or second if the ball is caught for the second out. It’s going to take a base hit to score you, and if you’re running on contact (as you would be with 2 outs) you score easily from second base.
We can second guess this all day, but his AB’s after Pujols was IBB’d are much more egregious in my mind than the baserunning in that situation.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I did say that it wasn’t a costly mistake, but did not say why I thougt as much, and the reason it wasn’t costly was because of how many outs there were in the inning. It was a minor gaffe that was inconsequential.
That first PA was terrible, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicken Coop tonight for Game 2?
I’m up if anyone else in the Des Moines area is.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might be sticking to downtown.
Furthest west might be Jethro’s. Our plans are still up in the air.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I’d be up for Jethro’s if that’s where you end up, that’s pretty close to my house.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Jethro's
Which is a bummer. I had hoped to get some wings. We are going to the Beechwood now. And leaving in about 15 minutes or so.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was his breaking stuff sharp?
Seemed to me that the curve was pretty bad and couldn’t be controlled and he more or less abandoned it. I actually thought that was a big part of his problem. Anyone have a pitch breakdown?
by OCCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his curveball looked great
He struck Belliard out with it to get out of the first inning — three straight curveballs and The Belly was turning his heels to the dugout.
His slider looked sharp, he just couldn’t locate it — he hit Ethier with it, he left one over the middle of the plate for Furcal, and left one over the middle for Blake.
His fastball looked like it just had a little more zip than usual, and it lost some of it’s movement because of it, especially the pitch to Kemp in the 1st. I think he was trying to cut the ball away from him and the ball just didn’t move as much as he thought it would.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did, too.
In fact, I was actually talking to the TV, telling him to throw it in the first. Then, he made Belli look like a Little Leaguer with it. I thought his curveball was his best pitch last night.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think his fastball was running as fast as it had been.
Of course, I didn’t get to see the game until the fifth, but the fastballs I saw were just 93-94 and he had been 96-98 in some games. Unless I am way off, and that wouldn’t be the first time.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 8, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was at 96 early in the game.
And then his speed dipped.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, the wife and I got desperate and decided to shell out the 10 bucks for postseason.tv
I have to say… it’s nice to have when the free internet feeds of dubious legality all dry up at the same time.
However, it’s a pain in the ass to use. Browsing the help and faq forums, it seems like every single person who has used it absolutely hates it. It’s almost admirable the way they’ve managed to create something that seems like such a good idea, but that so instantly and universally arouses peoples’ utter hate.
You basically have to “produce” your own baseball broadcast by choosing between different camera views. And the cameras really really like to show you over and over again which awesome celebrities are watching at Dodgers Stadium. Yay!
You will never get the videos in sync with each other. Don’t even try. Also, the audio matches the video you have selected, so if you so much as click on a different video box, the audio jumps to match that video. If you click on a blank box that you haven’t set up yet, you lose the audio until you can load a camera view to that video box.
The stupid pop up thingies keep coming. And coming. You can’t make them stop, you can only close them when they appear. Sometimes they cover up half the picture, depending on how many cameras you’re using.
I have yet to get the four-way view to actually work without freezing up, and I have a decent computer with a decent internet connection. The best I could get was three views and a blank screen in the other quadrant.
I can’t wait to watch a game on an actual TV with cable (i.e. not at my apartment).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mine kept cutting out
when there were scoring plays during the yanks game….every time :-(
Under ideal circumstance it’s not that bad and is completely adequate at work…but the videos out of sync and cutting in/out makes 8lb 6oz baby jesus cry.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the more you missed last night
the better and more hopeful you should feel today
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night was the textbook example of shitting the bed.
What if’s aside, there’s plenty of blame to go around: The Redbirds just flat out shit the bed, in every way imaginable, from Carp on down, against a team that wasn’t at all overpowering or even solid.
Frustrating and painful.
That said, it’s time to rally and get Waino on track, beat the Damn Didgers today, and get back in this series.
by RollBirdsRoll on Oct 8, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why is everyone freaking out?
it was one game and as some people have said, had one little thing gone our way we would have won. There is no reason to throw around blame this early. If we get swept? ya, sure, throw some blame around. But one game? have a little faith, the sky isnt going anywhere any time soon.
by bigmcq16 on Oct 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With TLR-managed clubs,
this is usually how the sweeps begin.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I'm saying we will be swept.
I want to make that clear. I believe in Adam Wainwright.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe in A.D.A.M. too
but I’m still sticking to my prediction of LAD in 4. Sorry, I just don’t believe in the O.
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by gocards62 on Oct 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say
Cards in 5. The Dodgers didn’t play like world-beaters either, and Carpenter (if he gets another chance to pitch) will not likely be yielding 4 runs in 5 innings again.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers in 2.
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because losing game one is a huge blow...
And we face Clayton Kershaw tonight?
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we're countering w/ Wainwright
if we can split in L.A. we get the next 2 in STL.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright is pitching?
But seriously, a neutral observer would pick the Dodgers 10 times out of 10 tonight. Wainwright hasn’t exactly been lights out lately, the Cardinals couldn’t hit a left-handed pitching machine, and the game is in LA. He said he didn’t know why people are freaking out over being down a game…that’s why.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't we get 13 hits last night against a man who appeared to all intents to be
LH?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolf allowed 6 hits...
They did a good job of getting on base, and a poor job of scoring runs. It’s a recurring theme, especially against lefthanded pitching.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was just unlucky out sequences.
Getting hits=scoring runs. There is no way to disconnect them except through unsustainable luck.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that...
But it’s understandable for people to be a little worried until they actually start driving guys in. It’s not like yesterday was an anomaly, it’s been an issue for awhile.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee pitched a complete game against the Rockies.
The Cards got a ton of hits, and through crap luck left a ton of guys on base. Teams fail to score runs all the time- it’s just human nature for you to feel like it happens to the Cards more often than anyone else.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolf also gave up 3 unintentional walks & a HBP
so we had 12 baserunners in 3 2/3 off Wolf. Not too shabby. Wolf was pretty lucky to only give up 2 runs.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYP
Wolfwas pretty luckyhad a horseshoe up his ass to only give up 2 runs.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It was tiny.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did that tiny chef put it there?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see i thought you all were going in a different direction
since he’s a big pusher of men getting prostrate exams especially since he had cancer a few years ago.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doing a good job of getting on base and a poor job of scoring runs
is NOT a recurring theme. I just put up a fanpost ten minutes ago refuting that kind of assertion.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We hit the left handed pitching machine
pretty fucking well last night, the hits just didn’t come at the right time to score a boatload of runs. It’s not like Wold threw 8 innings of 2 hit shutout baseball.
Kershaw has a problem with walks, if the team is patient like they were with Wolf last night I think we could get into some pretty good situations for run scoring.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with that many LOBsters last night
expect a TLR aggressive pregame speech followed by 8 innings, 4 hits, 2 IBB & 84 pitches
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we talking about the same Adam Wainwright?
Tall guy, ridiculous curveball? He’s had 6 starts since the beginning of September.
3-1
40IP 17R 15ER = 3.38ERA
41H 9BB 48K 2HR
.259/.298/.373/.671 against
I dunno about you but I’ll take that against Kershaw. And yes, we hit the lefties respectably last night. Kershaw is a rookie and is going to be amped up.
(With a bit of luck maybe Kershaw’ll go all Rick Ankiel on us and throw five or six to the backstop and get pulled in the second inning, one night after the bullpen pitched 5 1/3.)
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to beat Clayton Kershaw
But not like that. I don’t wish that fate on my worst enemy.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*some sarcasm may have been involved in the above post
point is that Wainwright > Kershaw. The Cards were not pushed around by Wolf last night, they just didn’t get the runs home.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Wainwright > Kershaw...
But there is a legitimate concern over this offense facing another lefthanded starter.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's pressure on Kershaw
to eat up some innings. Torre had the very quick hook for Wolf last night, but he won’t have the luxury of that option tonight.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his last
outing, Adam went 6 innings, 5 hits, 3 ER, 2 BB, 8 Ks. (link)
The previous outing Waino went 8 innings, 10 hits, 2 ER, 1 BB, 11 Ks. (link)
The one before that he went 7 innings, 7 hits, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 Ks. (link)
Not exactly lights out? Whatever you say.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's given up quite a few hits...
He’s limited the damage well with the exception of Milwaukee. I didn’t say he’s sucked, Spants. But no, he hasn’t been “lights out”.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he continues to strike out more than a batter an inning
and keep his K:BB ratio at 27:4 I’ll take my chances with the dodgers’ babip
by DanUpBaby on Oct 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that...
My original point wasn’t even about Wainwright so much as the offense. I was just saying that unless the offense shows p, Wainwright will have to be great and not good. I’m not worried about Adam, I’m worried about him getting help.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the part I've been most impressed with, even with all the hits.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waino
has ALWAYS given up a ton of hits. I swear, he never gets through an inning 1-2-3.
Hooray double-plays.
by longhornscardinals on Oct 8, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch-to-contact does that.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if he'd done everything the same,
but some of those hits had hit gloves instead of ground, then what would you be saying?
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same thing I'm saying now...
That if the offense doesn’t show up, he needs to be great, and that’s worrisome. Not that he can’t be, he’s certainly shown that he can, but it’s a lot to ask.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so basically, he has to pitch well, or our offense has to score a lot
of runs, or a little of both.
i’m sorry, how is this different from every other baseball game ever played?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've really nailed me now, Tom...
I must be crazy for thinking Wainwright probably has a smaller margin of error in a playoff game against Clayton Kershaw and the Dodgers as opposed to, say, Kevin Hart and the Pirates. For the tenth time, it’s an unfavorable matchup for the hitters, so Wainwright will probably have to be very good. So if that means all baseball games are equal, then yes, you are correct.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you had said that wainwright has a smaller margin for error
at the outset, instead of “But seriously, a neutral observer would pick the Dodgers 10 times out of 10 tonight.” you might not be getting people treating what you say as ridiculous.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I wasn't a Cardinals fan (a neutral observer)...
And I was betting money on this game, I would put my money on the Dodgers every single time. Excellent lefty starter at home vs. an offense that has struggled to hit lefties over the course of the season. That’s what I mean.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Cardinals are slight favorites tonight according to Vegas
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even better...
I’d get more return on my investment if I picked right.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point was that neutral observers are picking the Cardinals
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everybody knows bookies are terrible
cards homers.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how that deals with my personal opinion...
Vegas doesn’t have a crystal ball.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said:
But seriously, a neutral observer would pick the Dodgers 10 times out of 10 tonight.
I showed that this wasn’t true. I made no claim about your personal opinion.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair...
I meant if I were a neutral observer.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just..
Never mind.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Oct 8, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RB!
We need a game thread!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how you feeling red?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your personal opinion is that
neutral observers would pick the Dodgers, and yet neutral observers are picking the Cardinals.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much is a Cardinals W worth?
I have a very Mush-like affect on betting, so I might be set up well for a win-win situation. Bet money on the Dodgers. Me putting money on the line will undoubtedly result in a Cardinals victory, but if the GOB spite me, I at least get money to make me feel better about the loss
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina's double plays are just killing me
He was at the plate 155 times this year with a man on 1st….maybe I’m wrong in this assumption but I’d say 2/3rds of those have been with 1 or 0 outs, so that’s 103 ABs in a GIDP situation. 27 DPs is 26%. That’s just absurd. His approach has to change in these situations.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it does.
But, last night, in the first, he hit that ball pretty well and Belliard made a nice play on it. A little to the left, and it’s a 2-RBI single. Just another example of our bad luck last night…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if he elevates that contact into the outfield it's a run guaranteed...
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point.
It was a slider, which had some downward break, but it was also up, so it was able to be lifted. I don’t know. It’s difficult for me to declare his intent to be at fault when I don’t know what he was trying to do with the pitch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying this all along...
Yadi is a big guy, he’s got plenty of ability to hit a ball in the air to the outfield. I mean, he almost hit the ball out to RIGHT FIELD in his 2nd AB. Yet we see GIDP after GIDP after GIDP, and it frustrates the living hell out of me.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
factoid
GIDP in 2009
Yadi Molina 27
Albert Pujols 23
just sayin
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit misleading
Pujols had 255 PAs in double play situations (runner on 1st, runners on 1st and 2nd, runners on 1st and 3rd, bases loaded) while Yadi only had 173 such PAs. So, in 82 more PAs, Pujols had 4 fewer GIDP. Pujols had a 9 GIDP percentage. Yadi had a 15.6 GIDP percentage.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and your percentages include 2 out PA's.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot.
Very true. My bad. Just disregard the post as it’s probably got other problems due to it not being thought through very well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLAYER PROFILE:
Colby Rasmus via THT
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this game was such an embarrasment.
yesterday’s nine innings were just what I was worried about as we came into the postseason. after a month-long boost of confidence of not losing two consecutive games, we were spoiled completely. the team did not take pitches, key players (APu!) went missing, and those evil LOBs stacked up. If we don’t win today, we will look at a very quick postseason.
Go Cards!
by hr on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i forgot to add
especially yesterday, we have a had a real bad spell of bad luck. does VEB have any good luck suggestions?
Go Cards!
by hr on Oct 8, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Break out the 2006 apparel for tonight's game.
We need to channel some of that luck.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha i will make sure to do that tonight
Go Cards!
by hr on Oct 8, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
world series t-shirt is ready to go
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
06 Series cap and the jersey I wore to game 3 will be out in full force.
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doing the opposite
Was wearing my 2006 lucky Cards shirt all day yesterday, told everyone I’d be wearing it wo washing until we lost. Well, that didn’t take long—so it’s at the bottom of the hamper today and i went with non-Cards gear.
by mattyp on Oct 8, 2009 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a fan of sacrificing virgins
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i dont want to sacrifice my dog thankyouverymuch
Go Cards!
by hr on Oct 8, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 8, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that should be green damnit
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SPADE
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I don’t care if that doesn’t particularly make sense, it was the first thing that came to mind.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...spayed?
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha that is disgusting
ill pass lol
Go Cards!
by hr on Oct 8, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be the greatest post in the history of Viva El Birdos.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Oct 8, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have been thinking of your poor flooded alveoli!
feel better, RB!!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at the game thread before you make up your mind red
and get better bro
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps, perhaps not
clearly, despite being given clear guidance, hr didn’t Do the Right Thing…
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 9, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wore as much red as possible to work today.
Also, this morning I went to pick up my dry cleaning, and the guy working there was wearing a Cardinals hat. I live in Phoenix, so you don’t see that very often. I took it as a good omen.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 8, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Code
I just sent a Google Reader email and the safety code was stlww, which I took to stand for St. Louis Wainwright Win. So, we’ll see…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh shat i am wearing a blue sweater right now
although its 45 degrees out here, i think wearing a red t-shirt is worth a cardinals win
Go Cards!
by hr on Oct 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also changed my hairstyle today
back to how I was wearing it in the summer when the Cardinals were winning. That should count for something.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 8, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wearing my pick Cardinal stuff.
Including a pink and white Cardinal hat that Colby signed.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have pink and white Cardinals apparel?
I’ve never understood the pink-and-white stuff, but, then again, I’m a guy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a pink and white hat.
And then I bought a pink shirt to match it. Because red doesn’t go with pink. The last time I wore this ensemble they won, so…
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
I’m a pretty devout believer in the whole “sea of red” that is Busch Stadium. Watching the ASG, I was so proud, which is odd, because of how much red was there. And the folks who weren’t in red were wearing either an away gray Cardinals jersey, a home white Cardinals jersey, or a throwback light blue Cardinals away jersey. When I got to games, I have red shoes, red plaid shorts, and the authentic red home cap (of course). But, for watching at home, I’ll go with white and gray Cards stuff, which isn’t all that different from pink and white. This a roundabout way of saying, “The more luck the better. Go Cards!”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually wear red when I go to the game.
I will on Saturday. But last time I wanted to wear my hat so I had to buy a new shirt.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see.
So, a friend got you the pink and white hate as a gift. You wanted to wear it to the game, but it doesn’t match your red Cards shirt, so you needed a pink Cards shift to match. The Cards won when you wore this ensemble, so you are wearing it today for luck. Makes sense to me.
Also, on Saturday, you plan on being a full-fledged member of the Red Sea. I’m extremely jealous of your good fortune in regards to NLDS tickets.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I paid a lot of money.
I have like no money in my savings right now. I think it was worth it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I opted not to pay a lot of money
for Game 5 tickets to the 2006 World Series because it would have cleaned out my bank accounts. I will regret that decision until the day I die.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had Game 5 tickets right behind the visitors' dugout
But they became Game 4 tickets because of the rainout and subsequent game switch.
DAMN YOU GOBS
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto, but in left field
then my dad turned down real game 5 tickets for reasons I’ll never understand
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor should you...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You'll have to take that up with the Gods of Weather"
- GOBs
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure those two committees are in cahoots
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they probably act like the DMV wrt each other
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damned supernatural bureaucracy
I’m amazed anything ever gets done in this mixed up cosmos of ours.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it will be
i did the same thing to go to the 2004 WS game 4. and even though we all know what happened i dont regret it for a second. it is one of the greatest moment of my life. i was able to save more money but but i wont be able to ever relive that expiernece.
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 8, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got a BP jersey specifically because it was red
Plus they’re cheaper
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife loves the pink and white, too.
I even got her a personalized authentic jersey, but she’d rather wear the pink and white batting practice jersey thing.
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 8, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like the authentic jersey.
I just have one Cardinal hat that someone else bought me so I needed something to match it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do I not remember this?
10@10, 7/2/2009:
Giving two reprieves in his 10th-inning at-bat Wednesday, rookie Colby Rasmus faced a full-count pitch from Bob Howry. Here’s one thing he wasn’t ready to do: Walk. (…) Rasmus said he’s supposed to think swing, not walk. He asked rhetorically, Isn’t that what people talk about? Isn’t the benefit of batting in front of Pujols seeing strikes? "I don’t like walking," Rasmus said. "I’m trying to hit."
Fuck.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That quote worried me greatly.
And, as his OBP established itself in the unacceptable sub-.320 range, my fears only grew stronger.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, that is so backwards
on so many levels. Why on earth would taking a base ahead of the greatest hitter of our generation not be a huge point of EMPHASIS, not frowned upon?
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask the manager who pencils Rick Ankiel into that slot...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's terrible
runs are what people talk about, Colby.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know the BABIP's of the 2 teams last night?
It seemed like everything hit went for a hit last night
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 8, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember two scalded liners to Luddy to end innings
Carp got a little lucky with those two…
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think the game was as bad as others thought
I was happy how well we hit the lefties. Especially our own lefties. That we also got Wolf out so early and into the bullpen. We also got to Broxton. These things might pay dividends later in the series.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law opens his chat with this
I’m going to fist this chat right over the shortstop’s head!
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 8, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All I have to say is this:
Please be awesome tonight, Adam.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 8, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think mostly that last night's game was a spectacular example of why luck
drives most baseball games. That game could just as easily have been a 7-3 Cards victory, a 9-2 Dodgers victory or anything else along those lines. If Luddy’s foul ball pulled a couple feet (inches?) fair, we win last night. If colby’s rocket shot line drive doesn’t find a glove, if, if, if.
when I see games like that, i just think, there’s not much that can be done. guys made good contact, used better judgment at the plate than they did for much of the season, and the hits and walks just didn’t fall in the right order or at the right time. i really highly doubt that clutchiness is real. by that logic, luddy was “clutch” when he hit a bloop popup that scored a run and not when he hit a towering fly ball that missed being a 3-run double by a few inches.
the only not-random thing that stuck out was obviously carp’s performance. even that may have some luck component to it – every pitcher has a bad outing. let’s see how he does next time out.
mostly i think, as heartbreaking as last night was, the team played pretty well. i think they’re just as likely to have a good couple games and take the series in four or five games.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well-put.
And Carp could’ve been a lot worse. I was happy with the life on his pitches.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers did what teams have to do to his Carp
Go after him. He throws a lot of strikes and dares you to hit his stuff, and the Dodgers were aggressive and able to capitalize on his location mistakes. I thought Carp looked fine stuff-wise, but he was missing over the plate and the Dodgers were ready to pummel those pitcher.
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their approach + Carp's lack of command = regrettable outing.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
something bigger was going on with carp -- he gave up (iirc) 4 walks, which is totally
out of character for him. and he hit at least one batter. i think the broadcasters said he walked 5 guys in all of june.
i don’t think it was just the dodgers approach, although arguably, he could have become more “nibbly” based on how he was getting hit around, leading to more walks. i’m more inclined to credit carp not pitching well than the dodgers hitting well (though they certainly are good hitters and hit well last night).
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he tried to nibble a few times and the ball ended up a foot outside.
His command was way off.
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
other non-random event -- rick ankiel should not be hitting except as an absolute last resort
carrying 12 pitchers and joe thurston is just fucking stupid. if we had better pinch hitting available, that ninth inning would have looked better.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate saying this, trust me
But I think that was the optimal situation to use Rick, actually. You have a fastball hitter matched up against a fastball pitcher, your hitter has a lot of pop, and a home run ties the game. You’re not asking him to go up there and work a walk, you’re asking him to go up there, be aggressive on the fastball and hope to get into one and tie the game, or at least trade places with Ludwick.
For his part, Broxton’s approach to the Ankiel AB was textbook — start him with breaking stuff down an in, and then reach back and go up and away with your best four seamer. Doesn’t matter who is up there if he follows that gameplan as well as he did against the hitter in the box.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to the fancy flash analysis on the p-d site, rick hits .253 against RH
fastballers. that’s pretty meh, to me.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're both right.
Rick Ankiel is not good at hitting baseballs against most any type of pitcher. He hit .231 overall this year, and OPS’d .672, for goodness sakes. So, the “optimal situation to use Rick” is a relative measure. While hitting .253 against a certain type of pitcher might be less than optimal for, say, Julio Lugo or Brendan Ryan, hitting .253 against RH fastballers is optimal for Rick’s use because he is such a bad hitter. It’s is absolutely “meh,” but it is also the “optimal” usage of Ankiel, if you are going to use Ankiel.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
he’s not going to OPS 1.000 against anybody, because he’s just not that good, but if we’re deciding between Joe Thurston or Rick Ankiel in that spot, I’m taking Ankiel 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. If anything positive happens, it’s more likely to effect the game if it’s Ankiel than if it’s Thurston.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to geiger right now.
I haven’t for awhile, I think this can only be good.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Geiger*
Stupid shift key.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you listenin to this dude??

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could fall asleep in those eyes like a waterbed
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geiger...let's go!

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giger is a weird dude.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're just lucky i didn't post his gigantic, creeptastic wikipedia picture.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my goodness
That is a creepy picture. And it’s just a portrait of him, it’s not even one of his creeptastic alien-cyborg-fetish-hellscape artworks. Damn you, wikipedia…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I also scrolled through a ton of NSFW actual Giger works,
looking for a portrait of him that wouldn’t make anyone crap their computer chairs.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has the start time for Saturday been set yet?
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
by RiverRat on Oct 8, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5:07 my Dad says.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Central?
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
by RiverRat on Oct 8, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks all...
Dvr is my friend again. Today I go on media blackout @4, and again on Saturday. Stupid work.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
by RiverRat on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Which was more full of FAIL last night: the Cards or TBS?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TBS
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take TBS for a $1000 Trebek.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
by RiverRat on Oct 8, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your mother took a TBS from me last night, trebek.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBS insight of the minute
If the Dodgers beat Wainwright tonight, it’ll be hard for the cards to win the series
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, at least some of the Cardinals did well.
I don’t think TBS did one thing right.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good point
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I hope the Phillies lose today.
I just really don’t like them.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you and GDM
can get together and root for the Rockies……
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
by RiverRat on Oct 8, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I’d prefer to live.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 8, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry, this is a safe place. i won't harm you at all
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by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not really "rooting" for the Rockies anyway
It’s like when the Cubs play the Brewers. At some point, you have to pick the lesser of two evils.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part of the new Pitch Trax thing
Is that it reveals further just how full of shit these announcers are on individual pitch analysis.
Announcer: “And he takes one right down the middle for strike two!”
[Replay of curveball catching the black of the outside corner.]
Announcer: “So you can see the ball…just catching the outside corner there…great pitch.”
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was that from last night?
Dick Stockton is terrible… Bob Brenly is really a pretty good announcer, however he is too nice and gets drug down by Dick Stockton doing games. Ron Darling is absolutely terrible too, I was watching the Twins/Yanks and I should have used the mute button.
by ICbirdfan on Oct 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darling really struggled.
He just doesn’t have a very expressive voice.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's a moran.
Spouting off bullshit sportscaster cliches.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About players like Punto and Jeter?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol ya
“plays the game like it SHOULD be played” blah blah fucking blah
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In their defense,
they are perched high above in the press box, but also have TV monitors. The problem is that the TV monitors most likely are the video being shown on the viewers’ screen, so it’s the behind the pitcher (BTP) camera view. Slate did a story (and has a great video feature that we should all check out) on the wide discrepency of these cameras’ placement in individual stadiums and how this alters the viewer’s perception of the strikezone.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I get that
And that’s fine. But a) if you don’t know where the pitch is…don’t pretend to know and b) there’s really no excuse for calling a fastball a breaking pitch and vice versa when there’s a stadium radar gun to look at.
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
I only meant to defend their representation of where the pitch was located.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well. . .
every other announcer has the same handicap, and I can’t ever remember anyone being as atrocious as Stockton last night.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was repeatedly mislabeling pitches.
And then Brenly would correct him in that polite broadcaster way.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a game last night?!?
Eff.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You didn't miss much...
Just enough Lobster to feed a third world nation.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan
by RiverRat on Oct 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIdy9_wqQw
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sticking to crab legs
beginning to hate LOBster.
"The almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he’s pretty sure you’re screwed" Albert to opposing pitchers.
by swmofan on Oct 8, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a must-win game
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, to answer your question
They better
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you mean this afternoon
/west coaster
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts from the stadium last night
1. I was one of the few Cards fans in the right field bleachers. The crowd was rough, far worse than any chants/trash talk/crude behavior I’ve seen anywhere else. Dodger fans can call an anonymous number to alert security if they see someone doing something unruly. They started calling it about any fans wearing red in the section. At least 6 or 7 people were kicked out, and they were all wearing red. I was lucky to avoid it, i guess.
After the game, about 6 guys followed my from the gate all the way to my car, chanting “Pujols sucks” the whole time. My wife was a little scared. I was just impressed at their stamina, since it took a full 10 minutes to reach our car.
2. Very frustrating game all around. Was a bit grossed out by the decision to PH Glaus for Rasmus. Was proud of our OBP, but not our hitting. I could tell that Carp was off from the very first batter, without the aid of replays or pitch fx. He was really struggling.
3. When Ankiel came up in the 9th, everyone in the crowd got REALLY nervous. Like more nervous than when Pujols was batting in the 8th. Maybe its because he hit a HR there in our series in LA this year? Weird stuff.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Oct 8, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nobody else in the country knows that Ank sucks.
It’s weird.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 8, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've never seen an LA crowd like that
what did they do, bus in a bunch of Raiders fans & put them in Dodger blue?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seemed like it
I’ve been to about 7 or 8 games now, and the crowd has never been like that before. I would applaud their enthusiasm, except most of it was directed toward things happening in the stands, not on the field. At one point Manny was batting with runners on (which time, i can’t remember…) and no one was watching because everyone was standing on their seats and shouting at a security guard to throw out a Cardinals fan.
On the one hand, at least the beach ball batting was held to a minimum…
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Oct 8, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But have you been to a post-season game before?
I witnessed similar behavior at the NLDS in 2006. I had to put my college sweatshirt on over my Cardinals t-shirt on the way out because I was getting random threats from across the parking lot.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 8, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I had a similar experience at the 2006 NLCS
though I kind of expected that at shea
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get that at Shea in the regular season.
I can’t imagine the playoffs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I am not a Dodgers fans
by vivaelpujols on Oct 8, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my checks are dodgers
because US Bank only had dodgers or mariners…when in doubt i went for Alyssa Milano.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 8, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sucks
sorry you had a shitty time at the stadium. The rap on LA fans is that they don’t care, not that they’re intimidating. There’s douchebags everywhere, I guess.
That really reflects poorly on the ushers though.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard more horror stories about Dodgers fans than any other.
Maybe all my friends just sit in the bleachers there though. And most of the time anywhere the bleachers are the roughest place.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow glad I didn't go
I thought about taking the kids, but glad I didn’t head out there. We had a similar experience in the playoffs in SD in 05. I couldn’t believe how rude folks were notwithstanding that we had a 9 month old with us. During the regular season we have never had problems in LA or SD. I guess the playoffs bring out more yahoos.
by OCCardsFan on Oct 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my experience was similar
the guys in the seats behind me kept “accidentally” hitting me and my gf in the head with their rally towels, and there was a lot of really rude things being said.
You’re not kidding about the lack of red in the bleachers, though. were you about 4 rows from the top in a shiny red jacket?
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Oct 8, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the cards only lost 2 in a row once when Carpenter and Wainright pitched.
Who was that against?
by Freddyd on Oct 8, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
David Aldridge is making Cole Hamel's wife's pregnancy sound like a tragedy
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You obviously don't have kids
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lineup per Leach tweet
Lugo 2B
Ryan SS
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
DeRosa 3B
Rasmus CF
Wainwright P
by ubeddie on Oct 8, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Rasmus is starting.
Although, as RedbirdAvenger suggests, I think DeRosa should be batting sixth, ahead of Yadi.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
typical Tony
guy has a great night, and he plants his ass on the bench for a dude who couldn’t hit the broad side of a red barn
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by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lugo for the Schu-man?
maybe he’s quitting while Skip’s ahead
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 8, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see Yadi is in the 6 hole again...
Wouldn’t be a Cardinals game without a rally-killing GIDP or two.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Oct 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Tony
I knew Tony would be stubborn and leave Molina in the 6th spot. What are the odds that Yadi comes up with the bases loaded again with less than 2 outs. I hate to be hatin’ on Yadi but he should NOT be batting 6th!!!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Oct 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if yadi batting with the bases loaded is the worst problem we have
I’ll be happy
by brackenthebox on Oct 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got a point but that
rally killing DP in the 1st really took the win out of our sails. I think it would hae been a much different game if we could have put 3 runs or more on the board in the 1st. But it’s time to turn the page and get ready for tonight.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Oct 8, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"it took the win out of our sails"
indeed. A better malapropism was never….malapropped.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've really got to slow down when I type LOL!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Oct 8, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy is terrible with the bases loaded though...
While I guess part of it could be a fluke, I think the fact that he is the slowest player in baseball has something to do with it (not to mention, he doesn’t even bother to try to run). If you have 3 runners on, you can make an out very easily on a ground ball.
With all his double plays this year, I’m really starting to think they should dump the guy. It’s just ridiculous.
by DiscoJer on Oct 8, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Razzums two starts in a row?
Uh…er…evident the wash?
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm feeling like this means I won't see him on Saturday.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DEROSA for 6 HOLE
i love yadi, but he’s a double play machine. dero got 3 hits last night. why not flip-flop the two so mark’s hits aren’t rendered mostly useless? yadi was a rally killer last night.
by RedbirdAvenger on Oct 8, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just read this entire thread and feel VEB has been overcome by paranoida and bitterness
the ONLY thing I got out of last night is the KMac is clearly not right
I’m curious if he’ll be used again
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 8, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hi, i'm matt holliday
the bases are loaded in the 1st inning, there’s none out, and i’m up. theoretically i could break this mofo wide open right now.
think i’ll watch 3 strikes slide past me.
thanks!
by Grizzled Vet on Oct 8, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chitown'd
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Hume'd
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 8, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al Hrabosky'd
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
frank catalanotto'd
…
Okay that doesn’t actually mean anything.
by mojowo11 on Oct 8, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has an awesome walk-up song though.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 8, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Caliendo'd?
Better than Dane Cook’d, cuz ther iz onli wun OCTOBR!!1
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 8, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the more i think about things, the more upset i get
the umps screwed Lego big time. 6ly, if i was him, i’d be telling any reporter who would listen to me how awful they are.
TBS should die in a fire. 6ly, they can’t do anything right. anything.
but much like tom said, no matter what stats we hold dear, no matter what the numbers tell us, baseball, more than any other sport is a game of luck, inches & bastard GOB’s. Torrie is lucky as hell walking Albert didn’t cost him the game. the Dodgers are lucky as hell Carp didn’t have his normal pin point control. Wolf is lucky has hell MLB does not have half way competent or robot umpires. and the Cardinals are just flat out unlucky that the GOB’s are not their friends.
when it comes down to it, there’s nothing we can do but watch the games, plan for the worst & hope for the best. and that’s infuriating.
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by gdm426 on Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I missed this one
Anyone else notice that Carp wanted to show Wolf “The Luggage”?
Cardinals starter Chris Carpenter yelled at Wolf for what he thought was an excessive bat flip in the third inning. Wolf, batting with the bases loaded and two outs, popped up. Carpenter thought Wolf then flipped his bat in frustration, as if Wolf was supposed to get a hit. As Wolf jogged down the line, Carpenter, rather than watching the popup, stared at Wolf and yelled at him for most of the 90 feet of the baseline. A surprised Wolf told Carpenter that he didn’t flip his bat.
“I don’t see him as an egotistical guy, and I respect what he’s done in the game,” Wolf said. “What he said really didn’t bother me. It’s the heat of battle. And certainly the last thing I’m going to do is try to show somebody up.”
"There are three things the average man thinks he can do better than anybody else: build a fire, run a hotel and manage a baseball team."- Rocky Bridges
by That's a Winner on Oct 8, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Translation
“I’m just thankful to be alive. I soiled myself on the way to first base. Torre had to take me out shortly after because I was so afraid.”
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
they didn't say that the interview was done over the phone with Wolf in an undisclosed location.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gettin' amped for tonight by listening to some E.S. Posthumus
…some of the songs have a true adrenaline-inducing tribal feel…
E.S. Posthumus – “Tikal”
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ooops...
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock Lobster just came on my iPod
I take that as a bad omen
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Oct 8, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, just a reminder of last night
No, Chuck...We got lettuce!
by vexedtechie on Oct 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catharsis?
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Oct 8, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your doing it wrong.
"The almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he’s pretty sure you’re screwed" Albert to opposing pitchers.
by swmofan on Oct 8, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the first time I've ever said big fly
and it’s happened
by LandSickness on Oct 8, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bad luck last night, Holliday no swingy, Carp not quite on
here’s my game summary:
Carp didn’t have his usual control last night, and couldn’t snap off the curve consistently… he had some filthy nasty pitches, but the control is more important I suppose. I noticed him squinting a lot and he looked more tired or maybe more nervous? than usual
Holliday…. eh, swing the bat and see what happens dude!! especially when they are taking the bat out of Pujols hands
bad luck… so, the Dodgers leave more men on base but score more runs, doesn’t seem fair. Luddy missed some rbis by a few inches, and how do you load the bases twice and only score 1 freaking run!!? I really didn’t like the home plate umpire last night btw, in case I didn’t mention that last night.
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't decide if I'm for the Phillies or Rockies
But I am for a 5 game series
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies
I do not want any part of Cliff Lee and Ryan Howard.
by nota bene on Oct 8, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And also Phillies fans tend to be total jerks.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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