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momup swears that, when she took this photo, our three dissatisfied-looking starters were staring out at the bullpen, where one Todd Wellemeyer was warming up. When asked for comment, Wellemeyer said: "Well, I thought all the people liked me out there, but sometimes you throw a pitch and bam—it just happened. I think I was more likable than I've been all year."

momup swears that, when she took this photo, our three dissatisfied-looking starters were staring out at the bullpen, where one Todd Wellemeyer was warming up. When asked for comment, Wellemeyer said: "Well, I thought all the people liked me out there, but sometimes you throw a pitch and bam—it just happened. I think I was more likable than I've been all year."

Programming note: Over at SBN's Diamondbacks blog, AZ Snakepit, they're deciding which playoff team to root for, by popular vote. I contributed a sonnet to our cause; I can only hope that, in so doing, I've captured the coveted Arizona doggerel demographic. 

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So—they played baseball yesterday, mostly just for fun. And don't get me wrong—some of it was fun. I am on the record as enjoying, basically without reservation, players playing out of position in meaningless games (and sometimes even in meaningful games.) David Freese was yesterday's Good Sport, and he earned some plaudits from Tony La Russa and the chance to look pleasantly baffled when he managed to earn that putout in foul territory. (That said, I'm disappointed to learn that his high school experience behind the plate was the only thing that kept us from a chance to see Jason Motte reprise his role behind the plate. Nobody's steal on him, although they might inadvertently hit a home run.) 

But it was also eerie. I hate to read too much into it, and I'm not questioning the team or the coaches' motivation, but these last two or three games have felt like we're all preparing to move out of the regular season—that we've gotten loose with the cleaning and household maintenance since we know we've already lost the security deposit. So Sunday there was Jay Randolph's sparse announcing, the WB's low production values, David Freese in at catcher—it was a little like eating one last dinner on the floor. It's eerie. 

Now: to relearn our old habits; to move the furniture; to hope that Ryan Franklin and his buddies don't run off with all the electronics. Onward — to momentum!

Star-divide

It was sloppy baseball, but I think La Russa makes a concise distillation of his point in the P-D's game recap

La Russa said, "If we'd had a great weekend, it would be all about Wednesday. If we'd had a terrible weekend, it would be all about Wednesday.

"You know what that turns out to be? It's all about Wednesday."

That's absolutely true, at least for Tony; he might have gotten a little outwardly giddy as the Cardinals pulled away, and away, and away from the Cubs, but he is always flatly dismissive whenever someone tries to broach that topic to his face. If the Cardinals had dropped thirty runs on the Brewers this weekend and ended the on-field celebration by lifting their beaming manager onto a golden sedan chair he would have delivered the same glum speech as soon as Khalil Greene and Josh Kinney dropped him off at the press conference: "It's all about Wednesday. That was today. Any more questions? No?"

I doubt La Russa is any happier than the 120,000 paying customers who watched the Cardinals lose three shambling, untucked games to the Brewers about the Cardinals' sloppy play. But I don't doubt his ability—the team's ability—to change the tone of the games heading into the opening series against the Dodgers. The worry should be whether or not this team is as good now as it was in July, with Pineiro looking less Mathewsonian by the start and the offense not operating at peak efficiency and the fourth starter spot appearing both uncertain and uninspiring. 

While we're on the topic of fourth starter, there's something a little weird about La Russa's current, pragmatic approach to the question, which is to not answer it: 

Both are candidates to start a possible Game 4 in St. Louis, but manager Tony La Russa confirmed Sunday morning that the pair will be on his list of available relievers for the first two games of the series.

"If you need John for one hitter or one big inning, that's what he's done," La Russa said. "You look at Lohse for more, multiple innings."

That's fine in theory, but it seems to me that unless the game is blown out, the question is answered the minute one of the relievers is needed. Is La Russa, in need of a steady inning out of the pen, going to ever take Lohse if he's got The John Smoltz sitting one chair over? It's like saying, "Well, Joe Thurston and Troy Glaus are both available to pinch hit, and we'll use whichever one we don't send out there for the pitcher at third base." 

So either it answers the question in a very predetermined way—or it doesn't answer it at all, and he remains mum on things for a few more days. Which I don't think Tony La Russa minds at all. 

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Nice sonnet, Dan

and from what I hear about DBacks fans, they’re suckers for a good sonnet. I think you’ve probably converted quite a few to Cardinals-dom.

Oh, and…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 5:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CCC 4-ever!

or is that for the WPA?

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 5, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CCC

I know WPA stands for Win Probability Added, but I have not heard of CCC.

Perhaps it stands for Catchers Cunning Catches?

I kid, because I care.

by Poop on Oct 5, 2009 7:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

That has to be the creepiest Fist picture anybody has posted yet.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Because it’s communist propaganda?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just because of the agitprop look

but because a bunch of dudes’ arms meld together to form some sort of unnatural uber-fist of doom. It’s like something out of Akira, if Akira were a Soviet motivational film.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, the fist looks pretty nonfunctional.

There’s no arm, shoulder, or torso. How would it punch?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the supreme will of the proletariat?

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 5, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Arise ye players of CardinalsNation, Arise ye wretched of the Earth"

or
“Cardinals of the World Unite, the only thing you have to lose is the Pennant”

by BustaCard on Oct 5, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In Soviet Russia

Ginormous unnatural proleteriat uber-fist punches YOU.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's pretty damn cool actually

very 1930s. Really interesting. Says a lot without any words.

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One day with nothing to really care about...

…Handegg tonight – kinda obligatory, GB/MIN
…Pre-playoff Playoff baseball tomorrow – Hopefully a back ’n forth game
…REAL baseball Wednesday
…And More on Thusrday

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!

by vexedtechie on Oct 5, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you got any more photoshops to do?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno...I tend to run on a per-request schedule.

…I wonder what it’d be like to have a JOB where I have to use photoshop. Y’know…get PAID for my work. lol

If y’got any requests, post ‘em. I’ll work on some today.

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!

by vexedtechie on Oct 5, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're just using you

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do ya gotta keep reminding me?!

I consider it charity work.

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!

by vexedtechie on Oct 5, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm going through momup's photos

and i glanced at the VEB meetup photo and thought “man stew”.

obv. I need to eat more breakfast.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably wise.

it’s my damn subconscious. I’ve been mulling how the man stew might eventually ruin hot stove by throwing in a different kind of nepotism.

(at least as an abstract concept, I’ve managed to un-see it.)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simply baffling...

…I gotta scoot outta here for a couple hours, though…effin’ class.

If you think of any non-man-stew related P-shop concepts, run ‘em by… I’ll consider.

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!

by vexedtechie on Oct 5, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, now that's an idea. hmm.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you called?

oh, wait NVM

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved the sonnet

Unfortunately those tools that live in the desert won’t appreciate it.

Ask me about my avatar!

by guayzimi on Oct 5, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they probably

say the same about the cards nation….

by cdb on Oct 5, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they think we're in the desert?

morans.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was just a strip mall

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They must think we're in Kansas.

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really wish I would have never taken that left turn in Albuquerque

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phoenix is pretty sweet

And the Cards are winning their poll.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

judging by the comment so far

i would have to say yes…

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I accidently stuffed the ballot box

But I think I’m okay because I actually do like the Diamondbacks and I hope they win the West every year.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's hard to see the results of the poll if you don't....

here, see if this works

http://www.azsnakepit.com/polls/results/52060

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh, i can't stand the dbacks

of course i’m old enough to remember 01

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Stephen Drew.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which part?

… i mean, of his game.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He used to be okay I believe.

I’ve always liked JD and therefore I like Stephen too. I don’t watch enough to really know anything about how he plays but he’s a Drew. I don’t really think I need to be rational about the random teams and players I like.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have stats on your irrationality?

we’re expecting a bar graph at least

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh don't mention stats

i’m doing z-scores and probability right now. like right this second.

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Importance to me in choosing random players that I like for no apparent reason:

Cuteness: 50%
Not being a Yankee: 30%
Being a Drew or Molina: 15%
Playing Ability: 5%

Mind you this has nothing to do with the players that make up my top 10 list of players. Just the random players that I like.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

like joe mauer?

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Mauer is my top ten.

That goes like this:
Playing Ability: 65%*
Cuteness: 30%
Not being a Yankee: 5%

*Being a Yankee tends to make me think your playing ability is lower than it actually may be because often you are very overrated so I may overcompensate for that.

  • My estimation of playing ability. Usually based on some stats but also on my general impression of your ability.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotcha

so what’s an example of a player that you basically like for no other reason besides he cute?

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a hard time staying mad at Trevor Crowe.

Who is basically a fifth outfielder for the Indians but I think he’s cute so I realize that he’s not that good but I don’t hate him like others do. Stephen Drew may be close to this but he has his Drewness going for him too.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

just curious.

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and what about rick ankiel?

someone i used to work with (our age) thought he was the cutest thing on earth.

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't find him that attractive.

He’s okay but I prefer Colby. I have weird tastes sometimes though.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you prefer colby?

i had no idea!!

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's cute.

Obviously. I’m not sure what you mean by goober but if you mean his apparent not-the-smartest-crayon-in-the-box, I can be smart for the two of us. hehe

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that was cute in it's own special way.

Like in an “oh poor baby can’t grow a mustache” way.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm old and I still can't grow a propr stache

some of us are cursed to be stacheless flim

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're supposed to be *teaching* him

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm working on it!

I would say he’s been improving though.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can you tell it's not Boog teaching him?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't find this dreamy?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dear thread

please do not degenerate into carp love pictures….

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm... no.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

b b but....that effortless, dreamy gaze into the camera...

that’s just something you either have or you don’t….dick has it.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Trevor Crowe steal home

when he played for Arizona. It was actually really awesome. And yeah, he’s quite handsome.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Um… Playing ability= my estimation of your ability. I usually use some stats but a lot is based on my general impression. Certain players may be overrated or underrated because of this.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, I think Fritz promised inside information on Dreamy Joe

better hold him to it, I’m going to forget

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

I want introductions to single MLB PLayers if he has these connections. ;) haha

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've decided that:

Playing ability and Yankeeness stay the same but add I forgot the nice guy factor.
So:
Ability- 65%
Cuteness- 15%
Nice Guy- 15%
Not being a Yankee- 5%
Cuteness is more of a tiebreaker. If I didn’t leave that in how would I decide on my top 10 rankings?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i shouldn't ask these things... i'm such a masochist...

what’s your definition of “nice guy”

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(don't mess with the data, flim)

lol

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

David Eckstein was nice.

Grady is nice.Colby is nice. Adam Wainwright is nice. Many others make the list. People who don’t: A-Fraud, Milton Bradley, Alfonso Soriano, Randy Wells (Personal reasons), and others.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wainwright is keeping kids off the tobacky

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no it is not

are you not paying attention to those commercials?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But perhaps more in Medicare benefits

I honestly do not know. Would the increased costs of lung cancer treatment offset longer soc. security payouts?

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Avg SS year payment is 12,000

Avg Lung Cancer treatment is 24,000. So as long as smoking takes 2 years of life it is beneficial to the govt.

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, you are good

burn, baby burn

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lung cancer certainly makes everyone's healthcare costs go up.

That’s all I’m saying about that.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Oct 5, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait till SS bankrupts

I have zero chance of ever seeing it.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it won't

people have been saying SS was going to run out of money for seven decades now, and it hasn’t even gotten anywhere within shouting distance.

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not any time soon

But it will eventually (god knows when that will be, thus my hope), it’s not a sustainable program.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's almost impossible to say that

Especially considering that minor adjustments like raising the retirement age to 67 and abolishing the cap on FICA put the ‘SS collapse point’ so far in the futre that everyone on this board will be lucky to be alive to collect money from SS.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 5, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll just stop after this re: politics

Removing the FICA cap would be devastating to small business owners.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This simply isn't true

Currently, there’s enough money in the Social Security trust alone to get us to 2050. At that point, going by census figures and a trend of declining birthrates (modeled on post-industrial Europe, which the demographical data has been following over the last 20 years or so), Social Security will be just fine, and I’m highly skeptical that we’d need the trust money to get us to 2050. I think the key is getting to 2040 — after that the program should be solid.

FWIW, fixing our health care system would greatly impact Social Security in the future, because every right winger known to man has wanted to rob from the SS trust to help pay for Medicare and Medicaid. Does anyone still think that putting our social security money in private “market based” accounts is still a good idea after the crash of 2008? I sure as hell don’t.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 6, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everything pales in comparison

To health care reform. Most expensive thing Bush did in office was not the wars he started but the Prescription Bill Act

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 6, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop Stop Stop

This is the last warning. I’m going to start deleting threads and issuing bans/warnings.

No Politics.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Oct 6, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cited

Money Magazine on SS going forward.

I can’t find the other article I read from The Economist, but that one had a chart showing how SS is safely intact until around 2050 with it’s trust and treasury bonds. It was also assuming average inflation of nearly 7% over that time, and don’t think that inflation will average that over the next 40 years when it’s averaged around half that the previous 40 years.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 6, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basically

the other article was looking at worst case scenario, and even then the system is in pretty good shape.

Thank the good lord we didn’t let Bush privatize it. Fuck that would have been a disaster.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 6, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

at the risk of getting even further O/T, that was the one disaster that we managed to avoid under W

by nota bene on Oct 6, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sure about that?

If the cancer treatment saves their lives, there is no guarantee there won’t be a reccurance and thus more treatment.

1000 lung cancer treatments = 24 million $ paid out by insurance companies.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Oct 5, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're not getting past my death panels, so it's moot.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

this seems fitting

New Anti-Smoking Ads Warn Teens ’It’s Gay To Smoke

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's great.

Just what needs to happen.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does that make more gay teens smoke?

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Oct 5, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh i have an awful unPC response to this

but probably a TOS violation so I’ll resist.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't.

I really should have said seem nice.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you're really trying to tell us

if Jeter came up to you & asked you out you’d say no. i find that very hard to believe. not only do most women find him hot, he’s a heck of a nice guy. i know, because i’ve met him.

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most men would say yes if derek jeter asked them out

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say no.

But not because he’s not a nice guy and not because he’s a Yankee. But because he is way too old for me and because I don’t think we would work out. I don’t find him attractive though for the record.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh, so cgirly won't date a mid 30's mulit millionaire

gotta respect that. most women, no matter the age difference would. good for you.

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

I would be flattered though. I just think that’s awkward.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

she hates Brad Thompson?

but points to CG for the Molina effect. I officially approve.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm so glad i'm not a woman

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dennys Reyes

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Oct 5, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

got to admit

there’s something about chicks and caps….

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chicks in caps and handegg jerseys...

oh my…..

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arod, obvy

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't though.

That’s what the chart is for. And these aren’t the serious players I like.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that's just woman's sports for men...

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just an added bonus

we can appreciate them on multiple levels. it doesn’t necessarily dictate who we like or don’t like as players.

For example, I could think Todd Wellemeyer was attractive but know damn well he’s a terrible pitcher and really not like him very much at all.

For the record, I don’t really find Todd Wellemeyer all that attractive. I was just using him for the sake of argument (although he has the broadest shoulders in THE ENTIRE WORLD).

Conversely, I like plenty of baseball players that are considered unattractive by conventional standards.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you want him on your side in a HALO tournament.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes! Both him and Boog.

I have one of those friend-of-a-friend-of-a- friend stories in which said friends of friends supposedly went over to Welley and Boog’s condo when they lived together last year, and all the four of them did was smoke a ton of weed and play video games.

Of course, that’s probably total bulllshit, but it’s certainly not hard to imagine.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, greeeeaaaat.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

I clearly did not explain myself this well.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm too old for you

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Oct 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who?

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most impressive piece of the sonnet

The use of “Dag Hareng” to avoid the SBN filters that always delete his name.

by brackenthebox on Oct 5, 2009 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

+1

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!

by vexedtechie on Oct 5, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whose name?

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball or Joe Thurston runs the bases.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*ahem* that's KSDK's low production values...

but what do you expect from an affiliate that runs infomercials in prime time in place of new network programming…

Bob Richards must be rolling in his grave.

by musial6 on Oct 5, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

also, they are no longer a WB affiliate

the WB died three years ago. it’s the CW now

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were never a WB affiliate. Always been NBC.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Oct 5, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

see, Dan confused everyone

KPLR used to carry the Sunday games, and they are the CW affiliate & used to be WB. of course KSDK now carries the Sunday games, and they’ve always been NBC. so i don’t know who he was taking shots at more, the CW or NBC.

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playoff predictions? Too soon?

Guess it would help to have all the teams set first. Please Twins please Twins please Twins please Twins

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would Love to See..

…the Twins win because they cud beat the over-rated Yanks, and that would make me a happy cow person. For me, a truly successful year is a Cards championship, followed very closely behind, by mere percentage points, by the Yankees loosing – pretty much to anyone. It’s kind of like any real Philadelphia Eagle fan will tell you: we don’t care what their record it, as long as they beat the ’Boys and the ’Skins twice.

Besides, I think the Twins are a better team, they’ve played with moore heart and spirit (non-quantifiable and anecdotal characteristics, I know), and I think they would provide for a much moore entertaining series.

Cards – Twins WS rematch? No leg-munching tarps this time!
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 5, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Tigers

have a better shot at beating the Yankees, simply because they have Verlander and Porcello, which is better than just about anything the Twins can put out there.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really a shame Slowey's season was cut so short

He was excellent at the beginning of the year, and certainly the Twins wouldn’t be tied right now if they had him all season long.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cards - twins rematch

could only be topped by bringing vince back to the booth…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and then letting him bulldoze the tarp in the pre-game of Game 3

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe they should take the post-dispatch cover off first...

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm...happy cow person, huh?

is that like a happy pig person?

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Oct 5, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manbearpig!

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

flagged.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwww.....

:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That just freaks the crap out of me at first sight

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just be glad he's smiling

You don’t want to see him angry.

by siddfynch on Oct 6, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the MooCow does know the tarp incident didn't happen while we were playing the Twins, right?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know...

..it was the ’85 Royals, I lose heartbreaking losses cowfused sometimes….
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pulling for the Tigers too

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Oct 5, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

browsing through momup's photos...

favorites so far. thanks, momup!

ace and ace
(Adam. you’re so funny.)
(it’s a sitcom. punchline.)
(Smoltz check-up party)
Sauce
Boog
…wick
Yadi
2009 season in a nutshell (this was before the Shaq pre-game stuff)
boom
shield your eyes, it’s Coffey. and reaction shot.
Boog barely survives.
Nice composition. Poetic, even.
…and. yeah, fine. one for andi’s collection.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How did I not know that momup had a Flickr page until now?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a wealth of embarrassing pictures of DanUp

actually, what cracked me up was the cat trying to play baseball

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't get to that one,

but it sounds hilarious.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cue The Who

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shgmom56/3854123600/

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's great.

Although, I confess that I was hoping for some sort of made for cats Cardinals attire—a bandana or cap or something.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should ask DanUp if he's ever dressed up a pet.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hasn't dressed up a pet

He did dress up like one. Saber Tooth Tiger for Halloween in first grade. He even crawled up to every door to be authentic

by momup on Oct 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pardon me if I say

awwwww.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, that we need pictures of.

Also: awwwww.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Oct 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

Awwwwwwww….

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh that DanUp

Always dedicated to the realism of his work.

by mojowo11 on Oct 5, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will load baby pics of Dan today

Some entertainment for our off days

by momup on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

momup

you’re the best.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan's new avatar, please!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I didn't know you had an MVP, Dan!

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Oct 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought pujols was more deserving, honestly, but I heated up down the stretch

my penmanship grade in september was a B+ after months of D minuses

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're the Ryan Howard of penmanship?

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Oct 5, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And of course it's a Donruss

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 6, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tommy was the coolest, don't hate

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 6, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a Rocky kind of girl myself.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 6, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he even came back as the Responsible Adult ranger

he was decent, from what little I saw.

then I learned the actor was a big douche, and got turned off.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 6, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude got an actual helmet with his white ranger costume...UNFAIR!

i was stuck with the fabric head gear

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a pet in costume!

the Anthony Reyes look is classic.

DanUp with Ghostbusters… Cardinals rockin’ the Ghostbusters theme this year… coincidence? Gasp!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rock on!

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooh I love it!!!

On the subject of Boog socializing Clobby into adult behavior, did anybody notice Crabby Raztoots erasing his steps in the dirt like Brendan does when he was standing on first base yesterday?

I don’t know if that’s a good habit or not, but it does speak to the influence Boog has on Cody.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, I was noticing several players starting to wipe their face

with their shoulders. it’s a bit frightening.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I swear I thought I saw Albert do that Saturday

but I figured I MUST have been imagining it.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw a few others besides Albert

not all of them had itchy facial hair to explain it

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole team has been Booged.

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

trufax

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's Just Something About St. Louis

According to R.J. Anderson over at Fangraphs:

Writers and players often tab fans of the St. Louis Cardinals as the best in the land. They are a loyal bunch in supporting one of the history-rich teams in the league. Over the years players like Mark McGwire, Scott Rolen, Larry Walker, and most recently Matt Holliday have moved to the league’s heartland at various points during the middle of the season and, well, caught the Cardinal fever so to speak.

How Mr. Anderson neglected to mention Will “The Thrill” Clark’s magical stint in The Birds On The Bat is beyond this poster.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Cesar Cedeño as well

1985: 28 games, 6 HRs, 19 RBIs, .434/.463/.750; 1.213 OPS. Included that HR to win the huge 1-0 Sept 11 game in New York. That was a pretty magical run, too.

by Youneverknow on Oct 5, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6ly, that amazes me

we hated that guy as much as any other player. then he comes over & boom. we now love him. unfreakingreal

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can Will The Thrill please be our next hitting coach?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he has to quit working for los gigantes first

i’d kind of rather have larry walker for hitting coach. or big mac.

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

c'mon now

deep down he knows he is now a Cardinal at heart.

Make it happen Mo, and we will forgive you for Thursty, Welley, and the lack of Allen F. Craig!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think i can let the thursty thing go that easily

i know i cant let the craig thing go

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's this "WE" stuff?

I still hate Will Clark and had to pretend he was Stan Musial’s kid for those entire two months in order to even stomach watching him play for us. For those younger people on this blog, it would be like having to watch Ryan Braun untuck a BotB jersey for two months. UNBEARABLE!

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was hard to stomach as a Giant

but he was no where near as annoying as Braun.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would agree with this

he wasn’t even close to el douchey

sorry forstick, didn’t mean to lob all Cards fan in with my statement. but it’s just the general feeling i have & get from most, but not all fans.

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generally I root for the laundry

Case in point: I’m a Vikings fan who currently has to root for a QB that I’ve spent the better part of my adult life rooting against, who’s also become a prima donna (my least favorite characteristic in professional sports) in the last 3 years, to boot.

But Will Clark always made my stomach churn and still does.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 6, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the Dodgers splits

They seem to hit Finesse Flyball pitchers the best which is zero Cardinal pitching. They do worst against ground ball pitchers which bodes well for us. Which also means the our two worst pitchers will most likely be Motte and Smotlz against them. But on the other side they do poorly against power pitchers. So that evens it up some.

They are strongest by far in the LHP as a RH. Which means little since we don’t have any LH starters. On the same note they are weakest in regards to LHP vs LH which means good news for our LOOGY’s. Shutting down Either who has splits of .962 vs RH and only .629 vs LHP.

Manny seems to be their only threat against RHP. No one else posts a .800 OPS even (Well Belliard does in a small sample)

If we can avoid the Manny damage and use the splits to our advantage I feel good about this series.

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 5, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Information like this is a lot more comforting than "we have their number this year"

Not that saying “we have their number” is untrue, necessarily. But I’m very glad there are reasons to believe we might be well-suited to take on the Dodgers.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if, and only if, Brendan Ryan does not start an epidemic of heartburn

on the team with the words “I know the best place for spicy chili cheese hot dogs.”

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great, so Ryan and Rasmus will be out...

Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!

by TBender on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Tums factory downtown is right next to the stadium

You’d think they could work out a deal

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i speak of L.A.

i’m hoping for a Ryan-Howard sized cheering section for our little slice of home field

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that needed parentheses

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget the stache wax, Boog.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet he has a can of it in his back pocket

right next to the sunflower seeds.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

matt and brendan bonding over sunflower seeds and chest-bumps

is one of the bizarre highlights of this season

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

matt and brendan bonding over sunflower seeds and chest-bumps

is one of the bizarre most awesome highlights of this season

Fixed.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll hedge bets and invoke ex-Cardinals damage as well.

breaking out of the jail that is the Wash Nats can do funny things to a guy

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Belli

I wish we’d have re-signed him for a year with an option. Then, maybe, just maybe, the second Adam Kennedy era would never have happened. (Not that I don’t appreciate the great defense from 2008, but the length of the contract, the amount, and his problems with TLR made it a poor experience. Oh, and then the whole paying him to play for Tampa Bay and Oakland thing.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does anyone else understand what AK47's damage is?

I’m not even sure if I’m supposed to give him the JD Drew treatment.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My reaction to him is, "Meh."

Sort of like with Tino Martinez. “You’re a crybaby. Good for you. Good luck in life.” (Because it’s not their fault that Walt Jocketty was willing to give them too many dollars over too many years for their Proven Veteran service.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[notes this down]

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy WAS good once upon a time

with the Angels he was solidly above average for quite a while. I guess that’s the problem with signing a middle infielder with marginal pop in their 30s… they’re liable to turn into Bobby Crosby at any moment.

I agree with the above sentiment on Belliard, too – he’s always been a reasonable 2B and has never cost much money. I just think his suckitude in the 2 months of 2006 we had him meant that he was never gonna be back.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His wife left him during the first year of his contract with us.

Messy divorce.

As much as he seems like a little bitch by nature, I’m sure a nasty divorce has lingering mental effects.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I consider this another reason to have a "Meh" response to him.

Don’t get me wrong. I feel for him having to go through a messy divorce and all, but it doesn’t change my indifference toward his tenure in St. Louis.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[notes down 'strong indifference']

gotcha

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care for his male pattern baldness.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[also adds this]

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree it is a reason for a "meh" response

Plenty of players have awful problems in their personal lives and play through it just fine. I was really responding to Yadi2’s query about what AK’s problem was.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you bring up an interesting point

KBot had personal issues this year, yet no one hates him. but many of us, including myself can’t stand AK. and that says to me it’s more than just his personal problems as to why we can’t stand AK. AK did play poorly, because of his personal reasons & because of his knee. but he also complained about his lack of playing time, and he was a jerk about many things on & off the field.

i guess what i’m trying to say is, if you have personal issues that are effecting your play, don’t be a jerk. otherwise we’ll hate you.

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yet I like Glaus more than AK.

very strange.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

Glaus, when healthy is actually a good player. AK, no matter his health, is not so great & is still a jerk.

plus Glaus throws epic fits when the umps ring him up on bs calls.

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus I have faith that Glaus one day is gonna be the reason MLB does something about terrible unpiring

I can see Glaus going off and pounding an ump, and really, they deserve it.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i had to take a minute there, for the bliss.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will be so happy if that happens

i’ll probably need a cigarette

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with a little imagination, you can almost see it

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...
i guess what i’m trying to say is, if you have personal issues that are effecting your play, don’t be a jerk. otherwise we’ll hate you.

Yes, exactly.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoltz

He isn’t a “finesse flyball pitcher,” though, is he? He has a decent K rate, I thought.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that what they call "home runs" in the AL?

/tongue-in-cheek

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they call them "fairly well-hit flyballs."

Oh, wait, that’s in New Yankee Stadium.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its weird that Yankee stadium is the easiest park to hit HR in

but in aggregate is below average in runs scored. What gives? There isn’t a ton of foul ground.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

May the FB% is lower there?

It’s an interesting question, to be sure.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A quick glance shows that 2B and 3B are significantly depressed.

Not that low 3Bs would matter that much. I thought next that perhaps no one gets walked there, but BB% was also higher than league average. I’m not sure what to make of it.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's only one conclusion:

HRs kill rallies.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

Win

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevertheless, don’t try reasoning this out with ex-Dodger pitcher Jeff Weaver, who according to Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times, has decided he thrives after allowing a home run.

Owned.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you're using the espn formula, it might be a normalization effect

((homeRS + homeRA)/(homeG)) / ((roadRS + roadRA)/(roadG))
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

The problem could be normalizing by games instead of innings. The Yankees won a ton of games so they probably played fewer innings at home than they did on the road, even though they played the same number of games. They don’t say how they compute the HR factors and the like (if it’s with the same normalization, this probably isn’t the explanation).

by brackenthebox on Oct 5, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

HRs kill rallies has to be the reason.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orel disappoints me for the first time

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

TWSS?

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Oct 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

oh that is 6.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgive me

Also, Jeter probably prevents .5 runs per game on gamesmanship alone at Yankee stadium. It’s only .3 runs per game on the road.

by brackenthebox on Oct 5, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the mystique of Yankee Stadium.

Oh wait, Babe Ruth did not build this house…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Ruth had played in New Yankee Stadium,

he’d still be the HR king, IMO.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This would be the

“House that Jeter built”, right?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

na, NY taxpayers built this one

But people are already calling it that here

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

House that Bloomberg Built?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't it get state and city monies?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,

Mostly Muni bonds

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great use of the city's bonding power.

Because, where are the Yankees going to go? To New Jersey?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they NEEDED the money!

And its such a financial boost for the city!! They are going to get all that money back plus the added benefits of the development!

Yikes.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did they also have a bridge they wanted to sell to you?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,

and they already owned it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fuck you guys

this is the house that Scott Brosius built, goddammit!!

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's called having heart

Scott Brosius is 10 the true Yankee that A-fraud is.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frick

should be “10 times the true Yankee”. Wuddevah

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frick x2

should be “10 times the True Yankee”.

Capitalization is key.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, how could I overlook that.

Maybe they should just change the name of the team to the Jeters. Derek Jeter is of course the prime example of what makes a True New York Jeter. A-rob could never be a True Jeter, not in a gazillion years.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should turn

A-Fraud’s pinstripes sideways.

® all4tookie, MMIX

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Failstripes

In all seriousness, if they Yankees don’t win the World Series I am just waiting for all the little ways that he’ll be blamed for it. Should be amusing if it happens.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially after he selfished his way

to exactly 30 HRs and 100 RBIs. Always playing to the boxscore, he is.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they do win the Series

I’m waiting for them to say absolutely nothing about A-Rod and point to Jeter’s leadership and grittiness

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Oct 5, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neyer on the Cy Young races

A nice, concise post on both races that is worth a read. Here is how he sums up the Cardinal vs. Cardinal NL race:

In the National League, Adam Wainwright came so close to winning his 20th. After six innings, Wainwright and his Cardinals owned a 6-1 lead over the Brewers. But Wainwright gave up a few runs, and then the bullpen gave up a lot more. So, POOF: goodbye, win No. 20.

Goodbye, too, to a virtually sure Cy Young Award. With nobody else in the National League winning more than 17 games, Wainwright’s 20 would have been irresistible for a solid percentage of Cy Young voters.

Now, though? I just don’t know. The Cy Young Predictor gives Wainwright a solid edge over Chris Carpenter, his only real competition, and the Predictor just doesn’t miss on starting pitchers. But Carpenter’s ERA is lower than Wainwright’s, and his winning percentage significantly better. So while I think Wainwright will win — and I think Tim Lincecum should win (but won’t) — we might be surprised a bit by this one.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

either way

Todd Wellemeyer gets the Dy Young award

by ridgesee on Oct 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the dimitri young award?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 5, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely missed this. the colonel statue in the Curse of the Colonel...

was recovered in March.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090311a3.html

No, not Todd Wellemeyer.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's such a funny story.

I thought we discussed it here?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would imagine so

but i can’t find it….

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that at the time

Looks like it didn’t do much good this season. The Tigers are mired in third with a handful of games left.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Oct 5, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My whole problem...

with the “these games don’t matter” theory…is this last week of games DID matter. We finished two games behind the Phillies who went 4-6 in their last ten games while we put up a 2-8 mark. IF we can manage to go .500 in our last ten games we’re playing Colorado IN St. Louis on Wednesday instead of traveling to LA for the first two games. Even more important (IMO) IF we advance, along with the Phils, to the NLCS we have to go to that bandbox of a stadium (full of battery throwers) where our staff might just get lit up by Howard, Utley et. al.

…for the record yesterday’s game really didn’t matter.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

in terms of the records

It works out, to my mind. If we played well enough to oust the Phillies, we’d be hot enough to take on the Rockies.

If we played (as we did) badly enough to stick to third place, we’d need to play the Dodgers.

So it comes out in the wash. Evident.

However, I totally agree that those games mattered. What happens today, right now, will decide the Cardinals’ fate. It will come down to the mental game and the ability to execute. It has to be today, because the next two games will come right on top of each other.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the bright side is...

we get pick# 23 in June next year by finishing just behind the Rocks and Phils instead of #25.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

go Cards

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, we draft a college Closer of the Future.

It will distract me from a half-season of not watching Chris Perez strikeout more batters than he walks and Jess Todd destroy the American League.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Which is another justification for the trades. That said, shouldn’t we count on only +3 total, for Pineiro and either DeRosa or Holliday? Because I don’t foresee both returning or both leaving.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possible.

Look at the poor Brewers last offseason.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly with DeRosa

Not possible with Holliday. I am pretty sure he is the highest rated FA in Elias Ranking.

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 5, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he's sick of the open market....?

the lone possibility is the siren call of wrigley field

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we had this discussion before, but I don't think he will

He is 35 and will be coming off wrist surgery. His post wrist injury production has been pretty bad. I just don’t see anyone ponying up for him in a multi-year deal that exceeds the $7 million or so that he will get in arbitration when they will also have to give up 2 picks. Even if other teams might be willing, DeRo and his agent will realize this risk and accept arbitration and then probably try to negotiate a 2 year deal with the Cards.

by OCCardsFan on Oct 5, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which makes you wonder...

do we offer him arby or no? This was a no-brainer two months ago.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

curly fries?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

curly fries + man stew

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmm lunch time!

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Oct 5, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot to take into consideration the flubs are desperate to get him back

they’ll pay him anything he wants. and i hope they do. i’d rather have Glaus & Lego back than DeRo & Pinata

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gdm

i posted some links over in other thread of me getting bullied. you’re sure to enjoy.

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll check those out later

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it'll make for a fun evening.

nfltouchdown.com

find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but you underestimate the incompetence of the Cubs front office.

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Oct 5, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How about we do that in the 3rd+ rounds

Relievers are a dime a dozen.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Don’t we already have a couple of those guys in our system from last year’s draft? I mean Kelly and Bittle could both be shut-down type pitchers if they live up to their potential, and Eduardo Sanchez was pretty near unhittable for stretches at AA this season.

I don’t think that RHRP is a serious need in the first 3 picks of the 2010 draft, I still think a few more high upside starting pitchers (HS or College), and a couple of middle infielders who can hit would be a much better since those guys are hard to find.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then who will we trade for next year's Proven Veteran?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd almost rather go to...

LA, then host the Rockies for the NLCS. LA seems like a good matchup for us.

The beard is back!

by guayzimi on Oct 5, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way we would host the Rockies...

should we both advance to the NLCS…I think we should be able to beat LA, and could have beaten the Rockies with home field in the DS. The big problem is the advantage the Phils get by having home field in the CS…

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the rockies & phillies will beat up each other

and we’ll be able to destroy whatever team remains

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I am hoping for.

The Rockies will take the piss out of the Phillies, lose, and then we’ll destroy the Phillies and their awful bullpen (I hope, crossing fingers)

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a weakened Phillies team

would still have HFA over us. I’d rather see the Rox blow their wad upsetting the Phillies and then have nothing left in the tank for the NLCS.

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they play

19 innings in all 5 games.

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree with you more

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man
it was a little like eating one last dinner on the floor. It’s eerie

i had this a few days ago. eerie indeed

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Oct 5, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's just hope it means we are moving to much better digs,

instead of being evicted.

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's my case

i’m hoping that this last week for the cards is in the same vein as me not cleaning my toilet before i left

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Oct 5, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get to move at the end of the month

yay!

Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to st louis?

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am totall lost here

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we talked, i forget when, but it was a long thread back in the early summer

about chitown & myself finally moving to the stl.. so when he said he’s moving, i was asking him it was to the stl.

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

although I don’t know where yet, it’ll not change my moniker in all probability

Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O ;(

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you movin there?

Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 6, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm trying

i have to sell my truck first & get another set a wheels before i can. there’s other stuff i have to do first, but those are the two biggest issues i’m facing.

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by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah, you didn't hear

they’re releasing the cure for paralysis

by mattyp on Oct 5, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT:
Beverly Hills, 90210 – St Louis Rams, 0

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!

by vexedtechie on Oct 5, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone read Sports Guy?

A couple weeks ago one of his readers said he had a bet going with his friends:

  • Most by the end of 2009: Richie Incognito penalty yards vs. St. Louis Rams Points.

He took the points. Currenlty, I think Incognito is leading like 60-30 or something like that, lol.

Kinda sums up the Rams season so far…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons can be awesome

I still am rooting for back to back to back 0-16 seasons so no one in STL is remotely tempted to give billionaire owners hundreds of millions of dollars for a dogshit franchise.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 5, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasnt this from TFLN?

but with the browns

No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson

by stlwcards on Oct 5, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

No, Chuck...We got lettuce!

by vexedtechie on Oct 6, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: In the wake of being swept by those poor, homeward-bound untuckers from the north,

I got to see a really great concert at the Pagent last nite. I had never seen them before but Great Big Sea put on one helluva show.

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and ain't that a beautiful thing.

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they don't tuck in those douchey shirts in the first place, though.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Big Sea

I saw them in Glen Ellyn, IL on Sat. night. Awesome show. You guys should all check them out.

by apack on Oct 5, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is this article missing its lede again?

that upload software for stltoday is pretty sucky if so.

Four Days in July

anyway, kind of fascinating to pull up VEB’s four days, because it felt just as crazy. except with more booze, less pizza.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OT: What really happened to Miggy C

he got luggaged by his wife

not sure if this was followed up in the other thread. I’m at work so I can’t check

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and he was really fucking drunk!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

guess he's not going tailgating today...?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. .26 is pretty f-ing drunk.

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion

by andi_k on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's drunker than I was for T.E.S.S. !

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could you have played 9 innings in a baseball game less than 12 hours later?

it might even be more like 5 hours later. I’m not even mad, I’m impressed. He was definitely still drunk when he went out there.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah, he was without a doubt still drunk

that’s what I call a team player

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes got nothing on David Wells and Doc Ellis

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Oct 5, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.26 BAC?

I’m suprised he knew where he was or whom he was fighting with.

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, I have a question.

Was Miggy’s phone call to Dombrowski? Why didn’t Dombrowski call the best defense attorney in the greater Detroit metro area? This is amazing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just sad
Until the last week, the team had been an uplifting story for the economically shell-shocked community, where unemployment is high and the average home price has plummeted to $11,000 (not a misprint).

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I need to buy some real estate in Detroit

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

focus on the bar!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this will fund the bar

funding for the bar is getting better BTW

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6ly?

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's alright if I gamble with the bar start-up funds, no?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as it means somebody is 6 about financing it...do whatever it takes

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good, cuz I already turned Fritz's 30 bucks into a start-up fund**

 * * a really measly start-up fund, but still…

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

30 bucks?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, I already spent it, so GB better win

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh noes.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it speaks well that the GM was his first call

Sounds like he has good relationships with players. I sure as shit wouldn’t call my boss if I had just been detained and was in deep trouble.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: phone call

he sure wasn’t going to call his wife!

Ba dum dum….

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way the Cards

have played for the last couple of weeks it is probably better to open the playoffs on the road rather than having the added pressure of trying to recover before a large home crowd.

by ridgesee on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what are the chances of getting WS tickets during the NLCS?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 5, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I might've missed this since I wasn't on yesterday,

and I can’t read the whole article, since I don’t subscribe…

…but wow, seriously???

And it’s from Christina Kahrl and everything?!? Can I have an explanation, please?

by splhcb67 on Oct 5, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

she was obviously high

or just another case of people at the WWL not doing their homework

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But this is from Baseball Prospectus!

I’d tend to give that a bit more credence, personally.

by splhcb67 on Oct 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how did I miss that?

I need to find out if my BP account is still active

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never mind

that was so confusing. Is it too early to start drinking?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I found the article and it was really about starting rotations

Not pen quality. I think that the subtitle was just wrong, or linked to the wrong article. Check it out. Makes TONS more sense.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But see, I saw that article too...

…and this one’s a totally different article, done about the bullpens. Kahrl even references the fact that she did that earlier article about the rotations (which, to no one’s surprise, showed that the Cards’ was the strongest) in the lede to the one I linked above. Now, like I said, I haven’t subscribed to Insider, so I have no clue what the article says past the first paragraph, but the title led me to believe that she calls the Cards’ pen the strongest in the postseason, which confuses me to no end. Maybe the rest of that article (the one I linked above) doesn’t actually say that at all?

by splhcb67 on Oct 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, this is so weird.

I’m an insider (flexing), and I can’t access that ‘pen article at all. It asks for my login info and everything, and then just kicks me back to the main site (not having any problems with anything else). It’s almost like its a tagline and a leader to a story that doesn’t exist.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they realized their mistake, and scrubbed all evidence. :)

6ly, though…the only way I can make any sense of that at all is if the basic thrust of the article is, “Look, the Cards’ starters are so awesome, the pen will be called on to pitch far fewer innings than any other team, and so will likely be in far better shape to pitch those innings.”

by splhcb67 on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIGURED IT OUT

Found the article, don’t know why it was messed up before.

She cuts down the bullpens performances based on the top 4 most likely to see time (in our case, Franklin, McClellan, Miller, Reyes) and rates them by FRA (“fair” runs against average – RA with inherited/bequeathed runners included). So we are only at the top because of Franklins freaky strand rate.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that'll do it.

Yeah, if you’re only going to look at the top four in each pen…and Miller, Reyes, and Franklin (full season) are included in ours…yeah, that’d make our pen look pretty darn good, probably.

by splhcb67 on Oct 5, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read as

this is bad analysis.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Oct 5, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FRA

Those crazy kids and their meaningless and not predictive stats.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe she means "(with pitching overall,) Cardinals rule"

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball or Joe Thurston runs the bases.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 5, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the title is some sort of holdover from the rotation article.

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball or Joe Thurston runs the bases.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of their primary writers (Kharl, Sheehan, Carroll)

understand advanced metrics — or at least how to properly apply them in their analysis — anymore so don’t bother. I miss Keith Woolner & Dan Fox.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Oct 5, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

setting up the rising action for the ... thrilling... climax.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's What She Hopes

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if suck:rising action, then yes

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.
It seems to me the difference in their performance against lefties can be explained by luck, as Rasmus’ batting average on balls in play is remarkably low. The bottom line is that Ankiel is a replacement level player (at 0.0 Wins Above Replacement), and any time he takes away from Rasmus this series is great news for the Dodgers.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 5, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was interesting and disturbing

 St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist Bernie Miklasz was a guest on Sunday’s postgame DodgerTalk on KABC, and he mentioned the Cardinals might consider starting Ankiel against the Dodgers’ two lefty starting pitchers in the first two games (both Ankiel and Rasmus bat from the left side), because the club feels Ankiel hits lefties better. A closer look at the numbers reveals a reason:

Player PA BA/OBP/SLG BABIP
Ankiel 98 .234/.265/.298 .338
Rasmus 113 .163/.223/.260 .189

www.mpgillusion.com

by ncgostl on Oct 5, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

means little to me...

without the batted ball detail.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, there's that whole defense thing...

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball or Joe Thurston runs the bases.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It shouldn't

Your BABIP should never be that low.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See...

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just slide Luddy over to CF, put DeRosa in RF and start Freese at 3B against lefties.

That makes a TON more sense than any other option, imo

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

How TLR didn’t experiment with this in the meaningless games of the season’s twilight is beyond me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea

but Freese can’t be on the roster unless there’s an injury.

by Hal Laniers Pants on Oct 5, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope that Thursty "comes down with something" and isn't on the roster.

But we all know that ain’t gonna happen.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When is the roster set?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think by noon of gameday.

but could be wrong on that.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be so sweet...

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are bears in SoCal

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've got to start paying more attention to the AL

I knew Aaron Hill had a fine year, but 36 HR? What kind of upgrade did they give him after that concussion last year?

/runs head into wall

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can be if they leave Thurston off

and they should, because with the two lefties in this series and the Dodgers stud lefty relievers, there’s no need for Joe with Skip, Rasmus, Ankiel, Lugo, and Ryan on the roster. There just isn’t.

Freese is a better bat and better glove at 3B than any player we have outside of DeRosa at the present time.

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by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is on the DL

no one is going on the DL. Mr. Freese’s season is over.

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by RiverRat on Oct 5, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... Mister eff...

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by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIdy9_wqQw

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by spants on Oct 5, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this will never get old!

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by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's some 6 bullshit

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should have been more clear

Thurston could have an “injury” of some sort to leave him off the postseason roster and put Freese on.

Examples:

  • Wellemeyer clunks him in the head with a controller after losing a game of Halo.
  • Carpenter thumps him with a suitcase.
  • He spikes himself during baserunning drills on Tuesday.
  • He gets ear-holed by the BP pitcher……who also happens to be Todd Wellemeyer
  • Mo buys him two tickets to Detroit to party with Miggy Cabrera.

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by fourstick on Oct 6, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i know right?

he’d never have to do base running drills

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by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Glaus at 3B?

I’ve been away for the weekend. I didn’t miss Glaus having both his arms ripped off by a gorilla at the St. Louis Zoo, did I?

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by jd is legend on Oct 5, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his pouty tantrum %s looked great

almost, almost got a sweet barehand to Albert from bunting territory.

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be snarky...

but we already did this and it didn’t work out too well:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN200907290.shtml

Granted, Freese is preferable to Stavinoha.

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by guayzimi on Oct 5, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stav is far worse offensively and defensively than our options now.

The reason we lost that game was Stav’s terrible D, while Dero is a very good OF defender.

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by hazel on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My recollection is that...

Ludwick, out of position in center, let that ball get past him, and we would’ve lost 1-0 if Rasmus hadn’t blooped in the tying run in the ninth.

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by guayzimi on Oct 5, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a far worse lineup

both offensively and defensively than the one I’m talking about. The only similarity is Ludwick in CF.

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by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"pretty fair"

yeah, I’d say so. This may be a series where the road team wins each game.

  • Carp v Wolf—advantage Cards
  • Waino v Kershaw—advantage Cards (even though Kershaw’s a badass—I fully expect this to be a pitchers’ duel game)
  • Pineiro v Billingsley—advantage L.A.
  • Smoltz/Lohse v Padilla/Garland—push? hard to say since neither team appears to know who’s starting Game 4 yet
  • then if it goes that long, I guess Game 5 would be Carp & Wolf back in L.A., and advantage again goes to the Cards.

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Billingsley

He faced us twice this year. We stomped him in STL on 7/28 and he beat us in LA on 8/18.

1st game:
5.2IP 4H 6R 6ER 6BB 5K 2WP 94 pitches/52 strikes
2nd game:
6IP 3H 2R 2ER 0BB 1K 1HBP 83 pitches/50 strikes

Man, you really have to try to hand out six walks in less than six innings to this offense. (To be fair two were IBBs but still.)

For some reason I was thinking he had a better 2nd half than 1st half, but I was wrong, it’s the other way round. So maybe we can beat him. (Altho his BABIP for the 1st half is .283, and for the 2nd half is .319. So maybe he was just unlucky for the 2nd half?)

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I've gathered as well

Flashes of his old (usual?) brilliance, long stretches of inexplicable suckitude.

by mojowo11 on Oct 5, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so he's Pineiro, basically

we have no idea which version of Jo-el will show up….the pre-2009 version he’s shown signs of reverting to lately, or Christy Matthewson 2.0.

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's suffering verducci-itis

He throw a LOT (200+) innings last year, and he hadn’t got close to that total before IIRC. He was nails in the first half of the season and then seemed to tire and basically fell apart. I had him on my fantasy team and he was pretty much my star player until July.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 6, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the only chance we have

is to sweep in LA. I don’t like a split b/c I don’t think Pineiro & Smoltz/Lohse can get us two wins.

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by gocards62 on Oct 5, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is the guy in the middle

Brendan Ryan?

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by OKCardsfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Ironically, he too did an awesomely bad Bob Dinero impersonation.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 5, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Indians have a similar poll on LGT.

The Rockies are winning the actual teams. In reality the team that’s playing the Yankees is winning. The general consensus is they hate Tony and they don’t want to spend another October hearing how great the fans in St. Louis are.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

'how great the fans in st. louis are'

that is so not our fault. it’s the only thing FOX can remember about us.

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

I tried to tell them that since I’m going they can think of the announcers only talking about me. Because clearly I’m incredible.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you got your tickets?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by ChiTown CardFan on Oct 5, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

They confirmed today. I have to call my mom to get them to print out because I don’t think our school computers have Adobe reader and I don’t have a printer.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.

I just remember opening something that was Adobe and it not working.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

though Cardinals fans do bake the most pies

2,800,000 : projected 2009 regular season attendance
3,343,252 : actual 2009 regular season attendance
5th : season in franchise history
4th : all of MLB ballparks in 2009

honestly, we’d have no big moves without the fans.

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2.8 mill is based on the "worst-case" budget

link

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PIEZ FUR EVERY1!!!!!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they should change the sign @ Busch Stadium

“Welcome to Baseball Heaven The World’s Biggest Pie Factory”

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"we luv u matt!!1!!!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't they project 3.3 million

in their best case scenario for this year?

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by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ta-daaaaaahhhhh!!!

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by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the article link is vague with the tenses

I assume they were interviewing him about the revised projections at the time of the article’s writing. but with the magic of Omitted Questions and Stupid Quote Framing, it’s ambiguous.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to have to rec this post

Simply because the “eating one last dinner on the floor” simile was too perfect.

by mojowo11 on Oct 5, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Draft Pick Order

The order for the first round:

1. Nationals (59-103) 17. Rays (84-78)
2. Pirates (62-99) 18. Mariners (85-77)
3. Orioles (64-98) 19. Tigers/Twins loser (86-77)
4. Royals (65-97) 20. Braves (86-76)
5. Indians (65-97) 21. Tigers/Twins winner (87-76)
6. Diamondbacks (70-92) 22. Rangers (87-75)
7. Mets (70-92) 23. Marlins (87-75)
8. Astros (74-88) 24. Giants (88-74)
9. Padres (75-87) 25. Cardinals (91-71)
10. Athletics (75-87) 26. Rockies (92-70)
11. Blue Jays (75-87) 27. Phillies (93-69)
12. Reds (78-84) 28. Dodgers (95-67)
13. White Sox (79-83) 29. Red Sox (95-67)
14. Brewers (80-82) 30. Angels (97-65)
15. Rangers (for failure to sign Matt Purke) 31. Rays (for failure to sign LeVon Washington)
16. Cubs (83-78) 32. Yankees (103-59)

by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 5, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AKA: "The Bryce Harper Sweepstakes"

Only YOU can make Bryce Harper eligible for the draft.

I wonder how many district court judges are Nationals fans?

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by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh...

for some reason I came up that we had the 8th best record…I also didn’t account for the Rangers extra pick. So, to edit my post from earlier we have the 23rd 25th pick instead of the 25th 27th.

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by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 15 picks...

are protected right?

Looks like we’ll get a late 1st rounder (24+) at best for Holliday should someone else sign him. However, if we offer arby to Dero and the Cubbies sign him we could get #16 (from the Baby Bears!).

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by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Dero

still a type A? I find that hard to believe.

by Toddius on Oct 5, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As of last Monday...

according to this he was type A…not sure that Glaus or Kouzmanoff could have done to catch him.

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by cardzfanbub on Oct 5, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most Confusing Poll/Map...

EVER!!!

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball or Joe Thurston runs the bases.

by Cardinals645 on Oct 5, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Only the WWL could screw up that bad

also; why are the Dodgers in red, and the Cardinals in blue?

I figured it out! Light blue means leaning towards rooting for the Cards.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dark Blue >80% for Cards

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6ly?

They use blue for the Cards and red for the Dodgers? Really, ESPN? Really?

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by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're trying to bring back the blue jerseys.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's.....

that’s….that’s just…..wow.

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They haven't had to cover National League baseball

that doesn’t contain the words “Mets” or “Phillies” all season, so they’re not sure what colors each team has

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by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I’ve heard the name Milton Bradley more than mine in the past 2 months.

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by Taskmaster on Oct 5, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how is the weather last friday?

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by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seattle, I hear.

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tigers in three!

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by hazel on Oct 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Carpenter

NL Comeback player of the year.

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by RiverRat on Oct 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shocker...

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep....

never saw that one coming.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR Passan

by RiverRat on Oct 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only question

was it unanimous?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

I’m looking at you, Haudricourt.

by mojowo11 on Oct 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

looking for luggage targets?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it can only help.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

see below.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO IT WAS NOT.

first place votes:

2 for Aaron Boone (okay, I can see that. that’s huge.)
1 for Todd Helton

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp got 2 second place votes..... so.....

is my math completely wrong, or did someone leave Carpenter off their ballot ?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol someone left carp off their ballot

it’s either got to be the dodger’s or cub’s beat writer. let’s find ’em!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect Colorado

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have it out for them?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

votes for Aaron Boone make sense — but the Houston beat writers would have no reason to leave Carp off the ballot altogether.

a vote for Todd Helton w/o Carp, on the other hand, points straight at Colorado.

(why would I have it out for them, when we’re trying to figure out who has it out for Carp?)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough.

didn’t do my research.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...or read my comment. ;)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe i should go to bed earlier than 2...

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say we just tell Carp it was the Dodgers.

That way, he’s extra special angry again, and hits 3 HRs and pitches a no-hitter (would be a perfect game, but Matt Kemp looks at Carp with something less than respect, so Carp plunks him).

by splhcb67 on Oct 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

waste it on the Dodgers?

save bullets.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like there is an award voted on by each group involved with baseball

The BBWAA has their awards, the managers have awards, the beat writers vote on Comeback POY, the players vote on a couple awards I think. Do they still let a fan vote determine the Hank Aaron award?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a little odd to see the quote "Brendan Ryan scares the crap out of me"

and so awesome. haha.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HFS

My wife convinced me to go to St. Louis with her and her family Halloween to see the “So you think you dance” tour. I figured, I love St. louis, and it will make my wife happy, so why not. I had no clue the playoffs would still be going on(forgot we were two weeks behind due to the WBC)

I just registered to buy tickets…I’m not sure how i am going to tell her that if i win a chance, i am going to be going to the game instead…WWIII may be close to beginning…or maybe she will understand that my man card will be revoked if i go to SYTYCD when i had a chance to a Cardinals WS game…this will NOT be a Good Will Hunting situation

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 5, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FAIL

yep. game 3 is halloween night. could be one of the most awesome nights of my life.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should I win tickets

I will be going as Stan Musial

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because i'm stuck at school

i will watch a cardinals victory as matt holliday, and then go get wasted.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you found a lego head that big?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope she understands.

I didn’t realize the playoffs would be going on that late either.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

f'in WBC. i freaking hate it

oh & please, stop saying man card.

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta agree with your pops here

the man card thing reminds me of those terrible Miller Lite commercials , and they assume you have to be uber macho to be a “real man”…ugh

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes. and only douchebags say man card

and sorry cgirly, i wasn’t talking to you. i was talking to volzen i just didn’t want to only reply to that. it felt douchebagy to me if i did that

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would explain why my brother uses the term so much

you’re right.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two years in a row without going to the playoffs made us rusty

We all need to remember that we must check the playoff/WS calendar before making any social commitments in October. I’ve told this story here before, but my Mom – the one who got me into baseball and the Cardinals in the first place – got married on potential Game 6 in 2006. (To a baseball hater.) We told her that her date conflicted with the WS and she said, “Oh, I don’t think we’ll have to worry about that this year [for the Cardinals].” She was lucky that we won in Game 5 or her daughters would have spent the entire reception in the bar watching the game.

VolsnCards5, is there another family member or friend that could step in and go with your wife to that stupid show with your wife, while you go to the game? Treat them all to a nice lunch in the afternoon, spoil your wife a little bit, maybe book her a massage at the hotel (assuming you’re from out of town) and then you go to the game.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by ChiTown CardFan on Oct 5, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have you always had that sig?

I love that

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a while now.

I saw it on a wall at AT&T Park a year or two ago and loved the quote so much I took a picture.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by ChiTown CardFan on Oct 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1....awesome quote

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.....

you Cards fans seem to be voting en masse.

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by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we backup our fearless leader

and his amazing sonnets.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cam here to do two things...

drink some beer and take random internet polls.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are you

all out of beer?

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by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could it be

that people in Arizona think they are voting for the Arizona Cardinals?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah.

All the Arizonans who suddenly became Cardinals fans before the Super Bowl became Cardinals unfans after the Super Bowl. (And after that Sunday Night Colts demolition)

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by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should say

I live in Phoenix and I love the Diamondbacks at all times except when they play the Cardinals. But I should also say that the general population does not understand the difference between Cardinals baseball and Cardinals football. A lot of people think the football team is in St. Louis and a lot of people think the Diamondbacks are called the Cardinals.

Its frustrating.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like most Arizonans,

I’m a transplant, so the Cards football team is my 2nd team. (After my Redskins, obviously)

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by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

question

what does Phoenix think of Bill Bidwill? I’m curious….

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO BILL BIDWELL REFERENCES!!!

THAT GUY IS A MORAN!!!!!!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"moran" isn't even the word I would use

“clueless money-grubbing jackass” is much closer

by nota bene on Oct 5, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Diamondbacks are my favorite NL West team...

I’m going to say that’s enough. And if it’s not, sorry. PLus that sonnet was nothing short of awesome.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

we DO share the red, since 2007.

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by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll take the rockies

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gdm will not be happy with you.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does he hate them?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think moocow hates jason marquis more tho

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here it is:

i’ve always, and when i say this, i really mean always
from the time i could talk called October, Rocktober. i forget where i heard it, probably from my dad listening to a rock station back in the late 70’s, but i’ve always called it that. of course you can’t now because those bastard rockies stole & two years ago & now it’s all over the place. considering they keep winning when they shouldn’t, they are the media’s darling & i’m sick of it.

i really really want their time in the playoffs to be a short & embarrassing one. i just don’t them to lose, i want to them to be destroyed, epically. i want scores of 20-0, 14-0, and 25-0. i want their starters to not get out of the first inning, i want their fielders to have 5 errors each for every game they play. i want them to have at least 15K’s every game. i want them so humiliated they never forget it, and collapse as a franchise & go back to being the laughing stock of the NL west, never to be heard from again. i want the GOB’s to rip out their hearts & destroy their baseball souls.

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by gdm426 on Oct 2, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i really fucking hate them

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

okay then. GO DBACKS!!

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by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's just the poll format

You can’t see results without voting, in some browsers.

I blame SBN.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't voted,

out of respect for your site’s democratic self-determination.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh.

Well then, feel free to burn your vote on the 6th option. Your altruism is appreciated, though.

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by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like voting for the Dodgers would be a worse crime.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6th option voted.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

serious

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way to follow the prime directive.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 5, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some prime directives are there to be violated

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

POINTLESS STAT ALERT

According to his B-Ref page, Ryan Franklin allowed no runs, earned or unearned, in three separate months this season: April, June, and August.

I think he should continue the pattern that he has established.

by splhcb67 on Oct 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is his son coming along to play catch?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

POINTLESS STAT ALERT V2

Jason Bay finished the season with a 1.000 fielding percentage. Can we now, officially, I’m serious this time I don’t care what crazy shit might happen, definitely retire it as a metric of judging defensive performance for all time?

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we did

But not most mainstream media outlets which were all over him, which is why I know about the “feat”.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone happen to bring up the fact

that a scarecrow with a glove could be placed in LF and achieve a 1.000 FP by having every ball that hit his glove be caught?

Being that it’s the WWL, probably not.

Follow up question:

Would said scarecrow be better defensively than Adam Dunn? Would a team be better off DHing Adam Dunn for the scarecrow?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Oct 5, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs