Friday Notes
I'm still in Japan, but the internet situation has gone from worse to bad.
Sister blog South Side Sox has its own reasons to wonder about the value of hitting coaches—in this case, of standing pat following Alex Rios's disastrous first year in Chicago. I'm not extremely familiar with the situation, but the case against Greg Walker seems to be the case against Hal McRae and, to be fair, most hitting coaches who find the welcome wagon revoked: in the face of a systemic offensive collapse, he... continued to be Greg Walker. The blog entry's in reaction to another blog entry, this one from the Sun-Times:
Walker, a self-admitted "organizational guy because the White Sox are my family,'' once again came under fire by the fans this season, especially in the second half when Carlos Quentin came back from injury looking lost at the plate, Jermaine Dye went into a second-half rut and the Alex Rios experiment seemed to blow up in the entire club's face.
Forgotten in that mess was A.J. Pierzynski putting together a career year, rookie Gordon Beckham being rescued from an 0-for-13 big-league start, Paul Konerko back to being Paul Konerko, the rebirth of Scott Podsednik, as well as the emergence of Chris Getz.
In these paragraphs, if nothing else, we have a list of things for which we can potentially blame and praise hitting coaches: the veteran collapse (Rick Ankiel? Mark DeRosa?), the botched return from injury (Mark DeRosa?), the second-half rut (Mark DeRosa?), the failed experiment (Mark DeRosa? Khalil Greene?)—and then, on the other side, the late-period career year, an 0-13 stint, a return to form, the emergence of a utility guy.
What this shows, for me, is that if we can't have a truly analytical approach to analyzing hitting coaches, we must at least have a reason for placing the blame. Did A.J. Pierzynski change his approach? (No.) Did Gordon Beckham really totter on the brink of disaster before improving to 1-14?
The best coaches, or at least the best-tenured coaches, aren't "organizational guys." They have a philosophy, or an approach, that—even if it can't be separated from the undulations of talent and luck in a satisfying way—can be observed. That Mark McGwire worked on his own with hitters, and has been credited with both successful and unsuccessful tinkering, is promising to me.
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Over at the Post-Dispatch blog they're doing the post-mortem on Rick Ankiel. Bernie Miklasz:
Easily one of the most overhyped Cardinals in franchise history. Just think of all of the money, time and patience invested in a guy who pitched 242 innings and had 1,044 at-bats at the big-league level since joining the Cardinals in 1999.
I don't know how, exactly, one can "overhype" what transpired between Rick Ankiel joining the Cardinals in 1999 and (almost certainly) leaving them in 2009. Overrated? As an outfielder, maybe. Over-discussed? The out-of-town announcers have to talk about something, I guess. But as a pitcher Rick Ankiel had the best season by a pitcher who couldn't drink since Doc Gooden, then he had a collapse that was so swift, immediate, and final as to make Doc Gooden blush.
In 2004 he made a positive, hope-inspiring comeback, and in 2005 he realized he couldn't do it—then after a serious knee injury he not only made the majors as an outfielder but did it as a center fielder, one who could hit for power and throw out Wily Taveras flat-footed from the back of Coors Field. He had a brilliant start and a great first year and a miserable 2009, but I don't know that any moment of Rick Ankiel's career could be described as overhyped—it was, and is, simply filled with hype. He has, apparently unintentionally, and often to his detriment, followed the most hype-filled, movie-like career path of any baseball player ever. That he pitched so-many innings and had so-many at-bats seems irrelevant to me when discussing the story of Rick Ankiel, which went on most of the time when he was not on the field.
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It looks like Matt Holliday substitute #1 might be staying in Boston; Jason Bay's reportedly been offered four years, $60 million to stay in town. I don't think any player has been hurt more by the recent proliferation of PBP defensive metrics than Jason Bay, who's apparently been a -15 run disaster in left field for the last several years. I'm hard-pressed to believe that anybody is 15 runs worse than an average left fielder, even the proverbial rock-in-the-outfield, but pegging the length of the deal at four years seems like the best anybody's going to do on Jason Bay.
$15 million a year is market value for what he's done three years out of four, especially if you think that the plus-minus number of -17 runs in the last three years—as opposed to UZR's -44—is closer to his actual ability. Is that good enough for the Red Sox? Would that be good enough for the Cardinals?
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For what it's worth, the World Series is broadcast without commercial breaks in Japan; after each inning the Japanese announcers kick back in and analyze, very thoroughly, whatever Hideki Matsui has done most recently. Also, everybody to whom I mention this blog asks what So Taguchi has been up to lately.
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No commercial breaks?!
Does that mean you don’t have to listen to the awkward symphonic fade-out music?!
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by vexedtechie on Oct 30, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know
it’s like they’re trying to turn the World Series into The Masters (replacing Jim Nantz’s awkward freak smile with Joe Buck’s awkward freak smile and Tim McCarver’s horrible haircut) or something
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that Masters music
has always made me puke. The only golf I watch is the occasional major and the Ryder Cup, but I certainly know that the back 9 of the Masters is a gut-wrenching gut check of a man’s guts, with nerves wound as tightly as an overwrought metaphor — and that insipid music that backgrounds it all like a serene stroll among the azaelas is just stupid.
by Youneverknow on Oct 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this rule that all post-season broadcasts have to have super-cheesy music.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go back and forth.
I don’t think that there is anything worse than a poorly chosen popular music selection. Sunday Night Football does this fairly regularly. Why can’t MLB just buy the rights to “The Natural” soundtrack and play that every October? (Of course, that might be super-duper-cheesy…)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dislike both incarnations
TBS had that annoying Bon Jovi song, and Fox has that symphonic music the last few years, as if the playoffs are the Oscars or something. I don’t think either of them work with baseball. They try to play up the “drama” so much that it just gets ridiculous. How about rock covers of “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” or something a little more light-hearted?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 30, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with just "fade to black" and going to commercial?
Why play music at all? I know, I know… I’m a stick-in-the-mud radio play-by-play guy; I simply cue the break (“You’re listening to Blytheville Chickasaws football on Newstalk 910, KLCN”) and shaddup! My engineer plays the spots, and tells me when to start talking again… no music, no muss, no fuss!
Gotta finish gettin’ ready for tonight’s Chicks at Paragould broadcast… rain or no rain!
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Oct 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Music at the ballpark
This is one of the reasons I really don’t like attending games at the ballpark anymore. They blast really loud music 24-7 from the moment of the last out to the moment before the first pitch. I know they are trying to keep people interested but half the fun of a game is the sights and sounds of the ballpark which are now obliterated.
I did notice last year on my only visit to the new Busxh that they seem to have moderated that a bit.
As bad as Ernie Hays was for years, I’d rather hear him thatn Bon Jovi at the ballpark.
I know I’ll get the obligatory “get off my lawn” comment but I can’t be the only one this bothers.
Just win
by The Duke on Oct 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the clapping guy is still incompetent
more than once they try to start a cheer when there is already one going on in the stands.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Ernie Hayes.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't he still work most of the games?
I’ve seen his name on the board at the past couple of games I went to.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought they fired him after the 07 season?
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by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still around
just pretty much neutered and replaced by canned fluff and pop.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still gets to play "Gametime" and "Here Comes the King"
and “This Bud’s For You”
and “Meet Me in St Louie”
As long as I hear those four songs at a game, I will be happy. But I liked it better when it was all organ, no canned music.
Can you imagine what Busch would be like without the organ? I wouldn’t be very happy about that.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 31, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was very disappointed when they started using the canned music all the time.
And to the person who said Ernie Hayes sucked Shame on you, shame on you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 31, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphamy!
Thou shalt not tarnish the name of Ernie Hayes.
by El Hombre 05 on Oct 30, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Japan
Dan – where are you in Japan? I lived over there for three years – great country.
I’m with you on the Ankiel story. When I saw Bernie’s headline on the PD site, I thought much of what you said above. I don’t think you can look at stats to tell his story and the simple fact that he was a dominating major league pitcher that reinvented himself and became a pretty good major league hitter and centerfielder is absolutely amazing. I don’t know how that can be overhyped.
by brafi on Oct 30, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More Japan.
I lived in Yokota for four years. Where were you guys?
I think the thing that strikes me about calling Ankiel’s story overhyped is that it’s just a failure of word choice. It would be hard to choose a less correct way to refer to Ankiel’s career. Ankiel exploded onto the scene and defied all expectations, and then imploded in the most dramatic psychological collapse in the history of baseball. He bumped around in the minors, and then, against all odds he came back to play a different position, hit, fielded, and he wasn’t bad. Overhyped is just the wrong word to describe any of that. It started out amazing, turned into heartbreaking, tragic, and then eventually became inspiring and great again, and it’s resulted in a player who’s overrated, because he’s attached to that story.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ankiel himself
might use the term “overhyped” in a very different way. I’m sure he’d much prefer to be just “another guy” rather than to be THE story of 2008. Though i’m sure his free agent status benefits from the hype much more than his actual 09 performance. i wonder if that also influenced him to play hurt this season.
by spencegrif on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: McGuire's "approach"
“He has a really good approach that’s fundamental,” La Russa said. "There are some differences to what he’s teaching, but he’s got the whole thing. The mechanics, the power of the mind, the understanding that you need to prepare with a lot of hard work.
I think Skip used the same kind of language, something about a “consistent approach,” I think.
You’re right, though, I’ve never thought about it. We keep all these stats as they apply to GM’s, but does anyone have McRae’s?
by 643 on Oct 30, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And what does that mean?
“There are some differences to what he’s teaching,
Sometimes, I think LaRussa is just deliberately trying to talk jibberish.
by 643 on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is that gibberish?
McRae has one approach, McGwire has another. Hence, differences. Sometimes I think posters are deliberately trying to be obtuse.
by mattyp on Oct 30, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or deliberately trying to be combative . . .
I just think “differences to” is an awkward construction. It could refer to McGwire vs. McRae, as you suggest, or it could suggest inconsistency in his approach.
LaRussa didn’t mention McRae at all there. I’m not sure that interpretation is such a slam dunk.
by 643 on Oct 30, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was confused by it too.
I’ve noticed that Tony’s quotes are just always going to contain awkward phrases like that. He has this weird, stream-of-consciousness speaking style that can be difficult to interpret.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 30, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the media here has gotten used to him
Goold was commenting that once the national media got him, they could barely transcribe him correctly.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not awkward
Unusual, perhaps – I’d say “in” – but locutions like “there’s some substance to what he says” are perfectly acceptable. But it’s probably just casual-speech slippage between idioms: everybody gets fouled up with “differerence to / in / with / from”.
by alberich on Oct 30, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm not mad at the guy
But I’ve never said or heard anyone say “differences to.” I’m sticking w/ awkward.
by 643 on Oct 30, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Difference to'
is pretty common where I grew up. “That’s different to what you told me before” rather than “different from”. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that it’s an analogization from “similar to” and “equal to”.
by alberich on Oct 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
Well . . . my speech-community is clearly superior to your speech-community.
by 643 on Oct 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if
you treat the language spoken in Alabama as English.
by alberich on Oct 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't rival "have went"
the shudder of all shudders
by the Tewk on Oct 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
southern talk
When I worked in Bama last summer I discovered “might could”, as in, “I might could do it.” I love that phrase.
by peach concrete on Oct 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like youunt to
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by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
golly
I can’t even tell what that means.
by peach concrete on Oct 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you ask a person, have ye ate yet?
they say, no
you say, youunt to?
they say, alright
you all go eat
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by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am almost certain i am not spelling it right
if you still are not getting it. if yer dog was here i know he’d help a brother out
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by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya'ant
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a great phrase, but I prefer...
“Ge’on’ow’ere!”
Example: A bunch of stray dogs are creeping around your porch at night. So pappy comes outside in his robe and a gun and yells to the dogs, “Ge’on’ow’here!!!” and they scatter.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 31, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a southern boss who used that phrase
I’d never heard it before then.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drive-by or crackhouse
Nice “northern” words. Let’s insult them for a while.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 31, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crackhouse is a northern word?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 31, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are no drive-bys or crackhouses in the south apparently.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you replying to me?
I didn’t insult southerners. : (
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 31, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we all routinely looked at transcripts of what we say out loud....
you’d soon realize that we all sound confused and moronic quite a bit.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 30, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Have you ever said something and then had that out-of-body perspective where you are cringing at how you just said it?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
always
i went from a perfectly bland st louis non-accent to a grating cleveland AAccent
by spencegrif on Oct 30, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it means me taking a chubby, I will suck it up!
Nothing wrong with that.

by brackenthebox on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh....out of context.
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by vexedtechie on Oct 30, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tobias
I just “blue” myself
Love that show
by brafi on Oct 30, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going as Blueman Tobias this weekend.
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by vexedtechie on Oct 30, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did that a couple years ago
I spent pretty much the entire time stripping down to cutoffs and handing out Analrapist business cards. Good times (for those who weren’t completely sketched out).
by brackenthebox on Oct 30, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We call them "bangers!"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 31, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bangers in the mouth, you mean.
We call them sausage.
by spants on Oct 31, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, it's the WORST.
A few weeks ago, opposing counsel in a case I’m on filed a motion with the court and attached a transcript of a voice mail I left her. I sounded like a rambling moron.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 30, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cringe at hearing myself even though i love to hear myself talk.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try it with
Bad Cow Puns…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 30, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGwire. McGwire. McGwire.
/spelling nazi
(but really, probably better to nip that one in the bud now before it takes root and irritates me all next season).
by mattyp on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with Ludwig on the team, and now McGuire as the hitting coach
you best get used to it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
larussa
tony does have an odd midwestern syntax from time to time.
by spencegrif on Oct 30, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Taguchi
You can tell them about So playing for the Cubs’ AAA team in the capitol of a rural, Midwestern state, and then his October call-up to the Cubs. (I find it hard to believe that the Japanese media didn’t pick up on So getting called up in September.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they didn't, really?
He played in SF, even.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the cubs screwed up and didn't give them press passes
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that even So was surprised when Chicago called.
I think his quote was something like: “Who would be calling me from Chicago? I don’t have any friends in Chicago.”
Perhaps the PR staff was also caught offguard, not anticipating the move that complimented the Milton suspension.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So could've saved their public relations nightmare!
but they didn’t utilize him. c’mon, it’s So. obvious.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see Jayson Werth's PA against Rivera last night?
Seemed like the perfect embodiment of how a player who maybe isn’t the most naturally talented hitter in the world can turn himself into a very respectable hitter through his approach at the plate…i.e. something most of the Cardinals could learn a lot from. Ran the count to 3-0, didn’t swing away at anything outside the zone. Then held off on a pitch inside that barely nicked the corner of the strike zone, if it did at all. But he wisely took it, because it would have jammed him for an easy out even if he made contact. Now 3-1, he swings and misses at a ball over the middle of the plate. Good pitch to swing at, even if he did miss. Now 3-2, and he puts a smooth, controlled swing on a pitch to deftly poke it into the opposite field for a base hit. Perfect plate approach—not swinging out of the zone, not swinging wildly to try to pull it, just making the pitcher throw strikes and then taking what the pitcher gives him when it is in the zone. Seems like ABs like that were few and far between towards the end of the season for the Cardinals.
That is exactly how I want our batters facing off against pitchers next year, and I hope that patience is something McGwire can instill.
by mattyp on Oct 30, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Both clubs have players who know how to work a count.
With FSMW, I don’t watch as much non-Cardinals baseball these days, which has caused me to have Cardinals tunnel-vision or something. The contrast between Phillies and Yankees PAs to Cardinals PAs is pretty startling. It seems like a lot of counts go 2-2 or 3-2, and not just for their superstars (as you point out, Werth).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Werth is actually an awesome and extremely underrated player.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Oct 30, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for your moniker
Norm MacDonald is a funny, funny Canadian
by _pistol_ on Oct 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werth is at that.
But he’s no Chase Utley or A-Rod. That’s all I meant by “not just their superstars.” I think that Werth is the second-best player in the Phillies’ lineup.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werth....
I think he is 3rd best….
Utley, Howard, Werth
by ICbirdfan on Oct 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd best hitter....
I guess I could agree with 2nd best player, once you factor in defense.
by ICbirdfan on Oct 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
I think Werth is as good of a hitter as Howard. In 2008, Howards wOBA was .366 and Werth’s was .383. This year, Howard’s was .393 and Werth’s was .383 (amazingly consistent over a two-year stretch). Of course, ‘08 was a down year for Howard and Werth has made great strides as a player in recent years, so it’s tough to compare them over their careers.
Nonetheless, I should have written “player” instead of hitter. Werth isn’t an outright “better” hitter than Howard. They are just very close.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werth also doesn't have to face as many bad platoon situations as Howard.
The burden of being a big name.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
With Utley, Howard, Ibanez, a LOOGY becomes a L3OGY. Well, may not 3 outs, but at least 3 straight batters.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just found out the first douches used Lysol cleaner in them
Needless to say they burned
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...I'll bite.
How did you find this out?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
But I reading about the history of birth control
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it was an out
little liner to Cano, followed by Ibanez hit? But I agree about his approach. I’m surprised managers don’t pinch-hit righties against him and switch-hitters don’t bat rightie because the man throws one pitch that happens to shatter lefty bats. righties can better take that cutter the other way and not break a bat, a la werth. but rivera was very hittable last night; the phils just didn’t connect.
werth is an excellent player who had his wrist shattered by a fastball, possibly thrown by burnett a few years back. article on si.com/mlb discusses the injury and surgery and how his power has slowly progressed since then.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know whether to be encouraged or not by that Jason Bay offer
I mean, Holliday is clearly better, so he is going to command a bigger offer than that. On the other hand, if Bay goes back to Boston, then it eliminates a possible Holliday suitor with deep pockets.
Then there’s the whole issue of how far I think we should go to try to retain Holliday, and I really have no idea.
I’m glad people ask about So Taguchi. Did you tell them about the restaurant?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we should be very encouraged.
The Red Sox will be out of the bidding, which is excellent for us, and that contract isn’t a drastic overpay or anything, so it bodes well for the valuation of Holliday.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You’ve gotta think 4/60 for Bay means that something like 5/85 isn’t out of the question for Lego. I think that’d be a pretty fair deal.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign Matt Holliday at that amount, I will do a cartwheel.
I would be thrilled at that contract.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5/$85 is the exact contract max I have for him
Anything above that I don’t know I can choke down
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything above that I don’t know I can choke down

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I think that'd be pretty good.
But I think we should be very happy with the way the Bay contract shook out. It’s really the best possible outcome for that scenario (from the Cardinals’ perspective).
I guess you could argue that taking the #2 LF off the market means more people will feel like they HAVE to go for Holliday, but I think overall it’s still a plus for our signing Holliday hopes.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, my overall feeling now is positive
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 31, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
something tells me
it is very important to holliday to join the 100-million-contract club. he wants those nine digits and i think he gets them. he’s younger and better than bay, so should get more per year and more years. 6/110 is my guess, though 5/100 might work.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I just think 20m/yr is too much. I think we should really pass at that value, it’s going to really hurt us 3 or 4 years from now, and it might make Pujols harder to sign long-term. I’d rather just get Mike Cameron for half that amount and spend the rest of the $ on buying out Ludwick and Colby long-term. Anything that’s left, I put in the box marked “Pujols” and bring it out again at the end of the season…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 2, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty dbag move by Bernie...even for him.
Whatever is sensational/controversial enough to get some hits, I suppose.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And he wrote such a nice piece on Big Mac yesterday.
I’m not be sarcastic either. I thought it was a good bit of analysis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have grown to mislike professional writers who only turn it on for what they like
write well for all of it, all the time.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I was hoping that it was marking a change in Bernie’s writing. I was clearly wrong.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Bernie the writer
But I do like him on his radio show.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post. I wish I could hear Japanese analysts discussing Matsui
Instead of endless Pristiq commercials with that ridiculous Stepford wind-up doll.
I posted a fanshot re: my opinion on the Rick Ankiel analysis last night here. I did think Bernie showed a lack of compassion, but enjoyed Derrick Goold’s comments, as usual.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 30, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
should we suggest kbot dolls?
to make the commercials have a baseball theme?
by FunkeeC on Oct 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be really mean, but awesome. I wonder if K-Bot has a sense of humor about that.
Probably not; I suspect that’s part of his problem
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching most of the Indians-Yanks NLDS in 2007 in Japan.
It’s also a great place to catch a game. My one baseball experience there was seeing the Yakult Swallows playing the Hanshin Tigers (a pretty big local derby in Tokyo), which was, well, unusual, but a lot of fun.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 30, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a treat.
I’d love to go to a baseball game in another country, especially Japan.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, weird request for VEB....
May 16 – June 30 of this year, what were the memorable Cardinals moments? Which, uh, you remember?
Not just events, though those are good. What was trending up? What was trending down? What were you looking forward to, what were you worried about? I already have the B_G MAC game down.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
June 4 already noted
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't remember if it was exactly within this timeframe,
but somewhere about then, I recall worrying about when Piniero and Lohse would flame out gloriously as our two best starters.
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is in that iffy time period
when Lohse was injured, possibly pitching injured, and then finally put out of his misery into full Bubble-dom.
But for some reason I can’t track Piñeiro’s ebbs and flows. Let’s see… he blanked the Cubs; lost a close one in KC; then the Colorado and Cleveland 7-spots, but then the whole staff was struggling in those games. Loss to Detroit and Minnesota. In between, he blanked the Mets.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, got it.
I’m thinking of a little earlier in the year. I think I subconsciously shut out that whole May-June part of the season…there’s the great start, then some fuzzy greyness, then awesomeness, then just some horrible, blinding pain and misery.
"He stands there like a man. They didn’t teach him fear at home, where he grew up. It’s not part of his bag." - Felipe Alou on Albert Pujols
"Ryan Howard hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. If Albert Pujols hit behind Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley, he would have had 493 RBI. Do the math. It checks out." - FJM
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 30, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'm attempting to chronicle somewhat
and that’s my feeling too.
Personally the awesomeness was so awesome, I’m still feeling good. I mean, it was awesomeness that was two years in the making.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooo the B_G MAC game...(tl/dr preceeding)
1st off I have horrible skills when it comes to scalping. In 2006 I bought a pair of tickets to game 5 and was unable to find a friend that was willing to pay $200 for a ticket. Real fans, those ones. So I tried my adventure in scalping the ticket, thinking I’ll at least turn a small profit which I ended up taking a $70 loss.
Flash Forward:
So I take my then girlfriend:

to a game, last minute. Being the cubs I figured the best bet was the scalpers. I told her "okay, get four $20s out, and divide them in 2 groups of 2. When we get there I’m going to ask you how much you have and you show me one group. I’ll “bitch at you” for not having more money. If the scalper buys the act we get tickets for $40, if not “find” the other $40".
We get there and the scalpers shows me EXCELLENT seats, face value at $40. I panicked and offered the guy 60, he said 80, i said SOLD!, my gf goes “way to really work him, baby”.
We get to our seats, 5 rows back field level in LF. I factiously tell malibu (stage name) "omg we are in line drive territory. If pujols hits a shot and it’s coming for us, it will be screaming and I am totally diving out of the way, you’re on your own, ‘SAVE ME BIG BALD GUY’ " I say in a zany manner to the big bald guy next to me. I’ve been playing baseball (and still do) for over 25 years, I can handle a liner (even though my front 3 teeth are false from a pop up when I was 8).
Pujols hits the B_G MAC Hr right over us, my eyes light up and I says, “baby, I was being facetious earier…but um, now I’m not…shit just got real”.
Next inning Brian Barden hits a shot…it’s coming straight for us…it’s got the distance…oh shit I think I got it….um…where’d it go?? shit….everybody else lost it in the lights too….where IS IT GOING??? IT HAD THE DISTANCE!!!! oh shit not my nuts or teeth….[here’s the video of my moving AWAY from my girlfriend and my big ass watch covering my mouth as I twist away from it (look by the foul poll)]
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How was the margarita?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
she's got a lot of stubble
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a sucker for girls that look like Crockett and Tubbs.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i almost bought a late 60's Malibu once
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golly....
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 30, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
udderly shocking?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 30, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel so Inadequate...
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was when I made my Pilgrimage to Busch III.
Caught a makeup game on Monday, which gave the brewcrew a 4 game sweep IIRC. I was honestly feeling pretty crappy about the team going into the cubs series. I’d just travelled 2500 miles at great expense, and the team was playing like a giant bag of suck.
Our offense had stumbled, Thursty was being overexposed, etc. And then we played the cubs. I believe the biggest thing about that stretch, was the SP really started to dominate. Carp was back, Adam was A.D.A.M., and Pinata was Christy. Also, you can snag my avatar if you’d like for the B_G Mac game.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-game sweep
but see… that was before the Colorado meltdown, which is the game I saw.
I just can’t get a handle on that period… in June we had 6 SERIOUS games (for … serious), but our opponents also got serious 11 times.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right, one of
those goofy two game series, and then the makeup on Monday. Got to the hotel in time, bought some tickets, and was all excited that I got to see 4 games instead of three, then this. The game wasn’t even as close as it looked. I was prepared for a crap week.
And then Christy walked to the mound and shut out the cubs with a complete game . I was giddy. Carp went the next night for the first time since coming off the DL, went 5 and got the W.
I almost bought a broom for the last game. I decided not to tempt the GOB’s, and got to watch A.D.A.M. throw 8 2/3, Apu break the I, and I got to watch all of this from 10 rows or so up from the green seats. It was a great trip.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a broom that is hollowed out
That I turned into a flask. Nothing like the looks of people watching you chug down booze from a broom.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
May 19 - 27 starting pitching
This stretch had games where the opponent scored 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 3, 1, 1, 2. Lost two of the games including a 1-0 in 10 innings. This was where the starters put their mark on the team.
by ubeddie on Oct 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs, KC, Brewers
SF is where the wheels fell off again
thanks!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, the difference between Greg Walker and
Hal McRae is that there is at least one damn good hitter who points to Greg Walker and said “I need that guy.”
If Frank Thomas says “I gotta go talk to Walker” it’s worth something, IMO.
by sdrone on Oct 30, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually, I discount the opinions of damn good hitters
damn good hitters don’t need sweeping changes or daily maintenance. they need small adjustments that — chances are — they already know they need.
case in point: Albert Pujols.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he has DeeDee.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which would you rather have....
- Dee Dee for hitting coach now
- Dee Dee as AJ’s hitting coach later
Choose one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4. Profit.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3. ???
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 30, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#3 could be anything!
It could even be profit!
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has pujols ever comlimented McRae?
I can’t recall one, though I don’t live in St. Louis so I don’t read the paper every day.
by sdrone on Oct 30, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he once told him he has nice shoes
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McRae talked a lot about Albert but not, I think, vice versa
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love fridays
fridays are my day offs. i got up like 30 minutes ago. i have blueberry muffins literally minutes away. i love fridays
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
same here. minus the muffins. although that sounds great.
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Oct 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't muffins always minutes away?
Unless you’re out in the middle of nowhere.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were
minutes away from being done cooking
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
my ’09 nl central champs hoodie and #28 jersey tee are currently out for delvery. looks like i get them today!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no cansuelo ramirez jersey shirt, but!

THAT SAYS MOTHER F-ING CHAMPIONS!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Chili Recipe
So I am getting ready to make a chili for a chili cook off. What do you guys think of this recipe.
- 3 lbs of Top Chuck
- 2 lbs of Pork Country Ribs
- 8 slices of bacon
- Medium Onion
- 4 Jalapeno’s
- 6 cloves of Garlic
- can of Chipotle Peppers in Adobo Sauce
- 1 cup of tomato purree
- juice of one lime
- 12 oz of Dark Belgium Beer (not Porter or Stout)
- Chicken Stock 6 cups or so
- 1/4 cup of chili powder (make your own or use Spice Island)
- 1TB of cumin
- 2tsp of corriander
- 1 tsp Mexican oregano
- 1/2 tsp of cayenne
- can of black beans washed
- can of corn washed
- Dutch Oven
1. Cut up the 8 slices of bacon into thin slices. Cook over medium low heat to render off fat. Remove bacon once done cooking and remove grease.
2. Heat Dutch oven up to medium high to wear the bacon grease starts to smoke. Add 2 TB’s of grease back in the pan.
3. Cut up chuck roast and country ribs into 1 inch cubes. Make sure the cubes are very dry by drying them off with a paper towel.
4. Season cubes with salt and pepper
5. Once the Dutch is warmed up. Cook the cubes of meat into batches. Making sure to get good sears on all sides. Don’t overcrowd the pan so you are not just steaming the meat. (Might take 4 or 5 batches to get all the meat done). Add bacon grease as needed.
6. Once all the meat is cooked. Dice up one medium onion and cook over medium heat.
7. After the onion starts to soften up after a few minutes of cooking. Add the garlic and Jalapeno diced. Cook for one or two minutes.
8. Combine the dry ingredients. chili powder, cumin, corriander, oregano, cayenne pepper with a few TB of water to make a paste. Cook over medium low heat with onions, garlic, and jalapeno’s. This is so the spices bloom. Cook for at least 5 minutes or so.
9. Diced up half the can of Chipotle peppers. Add to sauce in pan, cook for another 5 minutes.
10. Add meat back into the Dutch oven. Poor the 12 oz of beer into the pan. Than add the chicken stock and lime juice also into the dutch oven also.
11. Put in the Dutch Oven in the oven at 250 degrees for 1 hour
12. After 1 hour add the can of black beans, cook another 30 minutes
13. Add can of corn, cook another 30 minutes.
14. Chili is done and can be served after 5 minutes.
15. Optional – Add homina paste or crushed up tortilla chips to thicken the chili.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What kind of cook off is it?
Most sanctioned ones don’t allow for filler like beans.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a MIssouri one
I thought about not adding beans but I personally love black beans so screw them.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to make sure they're allowed if you want to win anything.
Other than that, sounds delicious.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs moar babies in it.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually split the
broth 50/50 chicken & beef. Also…make your own Chili Powder.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh....
and instead of chips I use some masa flour mixed with water to thicken.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The chicken broth was the only thing I was questioning as well.
Otherwise this sounds like an excellent recipe. Consider it stolen.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have found chicken stock tastes much better than beef stock in my experiences
Beef stock is too over powering
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The recipe is mixture of a couple things
Like a mix in between stew and carne guisada with beans added for people that think chili needs beans.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I normally make my own Chili powder
But I have found Spice Island chili powder is the best store bought one in a pinch.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCormick Mexican Hot chili powder
is pretty good too. Recipe sounds tasty.
by ubeddie on Oct 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like chili so...
But bacon in chili sounds interesting. Although I don’t like bacon either. But from a person who loves to cook all of those ingredients sound like they would taste good together.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 30, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who doesn't like Bacon?
It is the food of the Gods
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Used properly
bacon can be a base for anything. Pork Fat FTW!
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't like bacon?
i don’t think we can be friends anymore, i’m sorry
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think of it this way...
more for you!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i like to share
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Use Ground Turkey
No beef!!!
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 30, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow I knew you may have a problem with this.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 30, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually flavor it with beef.
/ just poking the cow
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if he get's caught.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tipping is a lot more fun
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna ask.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 30, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like ground pork or chorizo
along with cubed beef for chili.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chorizo is very underused for many things.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but cubed beef takes a long time to break down to be tender
while ground pork does not
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chunks of pork butt
or shoulder whatever you’d like to call it. Should be close to thew same time as the top chuck.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PORK BUTT AND TATTERS!!!!
:=8D
Cow & Chicken fans out there?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cook the ground stuff first
then re-add it once everything is ready to rumble.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably sound crazy....
…but I don’t like to use dark beers in anything. I actually cook with O’Douls—similar grain flavor but sweeter because less sugar has been fermented out. Yes this is the only reason for O’Douls to exist.
I usually use beef short ribs and pork ribs. I rub them with chilli powder; braise them; and then toss them in a slow cooker with some beer and let them cook on low for several hours. I just add the meat to a bean, veggy, and pepper mix at the end.
Your recipe specifically I would say atleast double-up the Cumin and reduce the pepper a tad. The peppers give you a spike of heat but the cumin will give you a nice warm earthy flavor through the whole bite.
I am not a huge fan of the homina idea. I would say to reserve the bacon greese and make a roux with the grease and an equal amount of flour and stick it in the fridge. You will have plenty of time for this to cool so at the end you can add the cold roux to the hot chilli. This will add a much righer flavor and thicken to boot.
by BigJawnMize on Oct 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am debating the roux vs homina
I like the dark beer because it makes a distinctively flavor. Which helps it stick out in a contest of ton’s of recipes.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which beer do you use?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what your doing...
Dark beers can work-they just ain’t easy because they each have such a distintive strong flavor. I ruined many recipes trying to find dark beers that work with them.
Seriously up the Cumin. I have judge a couple of these before and I love me some cumin.
by BigJawnMize on Oct 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like bock beers for this.
Sam Adams Octoborfest or something like that this time of year.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why I said no Porter or Stout
They go bitter when you cook with them
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use high life,
but I’ve heard of a Guinness recipe.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dark Belgium Beer
if you can lay your hands on it, I’d think a bottle of Westmalle Dubel would be great, really rich and tasty. It’d probably be nice to drink with it too…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 2, 2009 4:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a HUGE fan of Westmalle
but I prefer the Trippel to the Dubel. I like any Belgian Trappist-style ale, pretty much.
It might be wasted on me in chili, though…I wanna drink it.
However, I do put a bottle of New Belgium Trippel in all my batches of chili.
Good call.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm. over in small bear land
All we can do is take a thoughtful, long-range approach to the team,
…okay, good so far…
and our intent is to win the World Series.
AHAHAHAHA they’ve fallen victim to one of the classic blunders!
well, carry on. nothing new to see.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a land war with asia?
Really, the only bad part of bacon is that it makes you thirsty . . . for more bacon
by jacksonian on Oct 30, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
World Series Umpiring
It’s almost like the umpires got together before the playoffs and decided to miss enough calls to make the case for a limited replay system. Last night, they blew two calls in pivotal moments. The line drive that Howard caught on the hop which was ruled a catch and the double play throw that didn’t beat Utley to the bag. Both of these calls, had they been correctly made, could have led to a very different result for the inning. I don’t see how Selig can maintain his stance in the face of what is obvious. Or, at least obvious to me. A limited replay system would give umpires less sway on the outcome of innings and games by ensuring that more calls are correctly made. This will allow players to have an even greater impact on the outcome of games.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we wouldn't be talking replay if the umpires were competent
that’s what really gets me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm not mistaken, there isn't much of a training regime in place.
Of course, training wouldn’t solve plays like the Howard “catch” and Yankee “double play” from last night. I honestly believe that the only way calls such as those will be corrected or prevented is with istant replay.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*i-n-s-t-a-n-t replay
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh looks like La Russa is stepping out of the dugout
He just hit the Ump in the head with the Red Baseball to challenge the play.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
red baseballs would be awesome
certainly more manly than little flags and little cards!
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes please.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 30, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying only good players can be good managers!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, please.
there are plenty of sports where exact hand-eye coordination are required, and there are just about the same number of athletes who excel at them as the number of umpires required.
it’s a skillset which can be taught. send them to Winter Ball, where they might be maimed for making the wrong call.
there was a special on World Cup referees which was so telling. They made them run. They tested them thoroughly. They picked the best refs for the job… and refereeing wasn’t even their day job! Every single part of umpiring is a repeatable skill, and they damn well have ways to perfect those skills so you have close to 100% accuracy in calls.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, here's the thing.
That liner that was ruled a catch by Howard from behind Howard, so the umpire couldn’t even see if it skipped or not. Also, there is nothing in soccer that even remotely resembles calling a bang, bang play at first base. You’ll never convince me that World Cup refs are that much better than MLB umps after this play (from 1:50 through 2:25 on the video).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better video quality
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we're just not going to try?
I’m not talking the plays which clearly, clearly could not be called one way or another.
I’m talking about the vast majority of plays — which we have witnessed being called correctly in the past. This is more on the line of we can’t start talking about hitting dingers if they can’t raise their percentages.
To be clear: I’m not against instant replay at all. But it will be a hot mess if there is no attempt made to fix the human element. Mark my words! [cue pointy finger of doom]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think soccer is a much harder game to referee than baseball
but, in general, I actually go against the grain a bit – I think, compared to virtually every other sport, the standards of the officials in baseball are generally excellent. Instant replay might help things a little bit but generally (other than balls/strikes, which I imagine are really hard to get 100% right anyhow) I feel they make fewer mistakes than refs in other sports.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 2, 2009 4:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and that begs the question
if umpires are reviewing replays and they’re incompetent… what’s the use?
overhaul the umpiring merit/review system. if it even exists. players and teams pay for incompetence. umpires should pay, too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently there is a right/wrong merit system
but they won’t disclose the results.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK I'll say it
is it a matter of the umpires union? MLB might be tight lipped but do not discount the power of the umpire’s union. I know Bud began the replay of homers but the union must have some say in the matter.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 30, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Limits of competency w/r/t umpiring
There is a point at which umpires cannot be honestly expected to get every single call right. One, there are certain plays that are near impossible to judge from whatever position they start from and have to get to, whether that is a play at the outfield wall or where they get in the correct position, but the situation shifts suddenly and they are blocked off from the pivotal moment. Two, there are just some times where your brain cannot correctly process the information give it, whether that be by determining your response before all the facts are in, or taking the shouted suggestions from the “in-brain studio audience” (my personal favorite).
The point is that, just because bad calls are happening, it doesn’t necessarily mean that the umpiring crews are incompetent; there are just limitations on how precise their arbiting can be. Once this idea is embraced and they get past the argument that incorporating instant replay is an insult to their years of training and experience, we can start working to get all of the calls correct. Understanding that this goal is technically unreachable as well is very important.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Oct 30, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my argument is that their years of training and experience
are not being tested, not being evaluated, not being improved. It doesn’t have to be perfect, no, I agree with that point. But there should be procedures put in place — transparent and simple ones — to lift that accuracy out of basement percentages, particularly on game-changing calls.
Every. Single. Game. in the playoffs with a bad or questionable call is not a good percentage with the supposedly top crews in the majors.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
from what I read on fangraphs or BP (can’t remember) they did publish a study on who made the right/wrong calls and to my absolute shock, Angel Fernandez was one of the best….I think it’s like errors, you remember the sensational one in a thousand fuck up….Matt Holliday couldn’t be reached for comment.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line is
from the pitch f/x data cross referencing the umps and they found that umps call a consistent zone and they almost always get the right call, I trust the umps more than most. When I’m “iffy” i always take the umps word for it.
With that said I do want a replay for shit like last night or the botched DP…if you have time to call together an all umpire meeting on the field, you have time to call the media booth.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
strike zone is a whole other banana
that needs to be settled among pitcher, catcher, and umpire.
the thing is, I just don’t want to put the cart before the horse. what if La Russa had challenged Ludwick’s drive down the foul line? the cameras mysteriously weren’t working.
a human being still has to make the call, replay or no, and if training is so damn shoddy that even the easy calls are slipping by, instant replay will just be throwing money at the symptoms and not the cause.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one
came up with anything on fair/foulwick?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 30, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last I heard, even the fans weren't sure
if anyone should be sure, it should be the umpires. in a perfect world.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree on balls/strikes
I don’t want a consistent strike zone. I want what the rule book says is a strike called a strike.
I will never understand people who say “as long as the umpire calls it the same for both teams or is consistent.” That’s bullshit to me.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 30, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also: that's why they train brains!
Which takes years to do. You’re severely underestimating the capacity of the human mind, particularly when there is a marked decrease in umpiring quality — meaning it was just fine before. Repetition and pattern recognition is exactly what the baseball players are doing; if they can do it for a not-dissimilar skill set, why can’t umpires, who don’t even have to move their bodies, most of the time?
I am just not assured that they are actually using those years to do that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am playing Legend of Zelda: A link to the Past
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zelda was the best Nintendo game.
I’ve often thought about buying an old school Nintendo off Ebay just for Zelda and Super Mario 3.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've bought a ton of plug into TV games
they look like a controller and have like 3 games on them, you get them at wal*mart.
I have: Street Fighter II, Mortal Kombat, Sonic the Hedgehog, Golden Axe and some others.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonic the Hedgehog!!!
All time favorite game. How much are these things?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 30, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedgehogs are Nice....
…I don’t think they have knees, just 4 little stick things that stick out from udder their spikes…
;=89)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Oct 30, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like 20 but I got them years ago when they were on clearance
you can get one that has 6 games for like 60 on amazon.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why I bought a Wii
It’s much more reliable than the three NES I went through in the previous five years.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have my computer hooked up to my bigscreen
I just use emulators and an xbox 360 controller.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, my wife wanting a Wii was the main reason we got one.
but I only really use it for old school NES/Sega games.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, they have old school games for the Wii?
Why am I just now learning all of this?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 30, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
but it’s awesome.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are the games the same?
I mean, it is exactly like it was on Nintendo? I only like the original Zelda.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're identical
I think it’s 5 bucks for NES games
by brackenthebox on Oct 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I'm freaking out.
Guess I know what I’m doing this weekend.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apu and Yadi
win fielding bible awards per Leach.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how odd
I knew I remembered another Brendan Ryan assessment, but couldn’t find it.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/6/27/927353/breakthrough
It’s not tagged with Boog at all. Instead it’s tagged with Ryan Theriot and Keith Foulke. Thanks, SBN.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah. sigh.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oldies but goodies
any thread that says “fat zombie panther”. and bonus: is not talking about Berkman.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I laughed. Again.
Ah, oldies, but goodies.
by cardsgirl95 on Oct 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may have to read through everything twice
just to dig out all the good stuff.
thankfully there is a whole long winter to do that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I'm thinking Mike Cameron would be just a fantastic signing
I would much rather sign him that paying through the roof to get Holliday, and diminishing all flexibility and messing with Pujols’ contract situation.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so what will be the max
That you would want Holliday resigned. Mine is 5/85
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 30, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the same boat. And I love me some Cameron, as I mentioned before.
Cameron for 2/25 or something, spend the rest on Rasmus, Ludwick and Pujols (and maybe a little bit to sign Kiko Calero for 2 years).
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by Felonius_Monk on Nov 2, 2009 4:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron +a few SP lottery tickets would be just fine with me.
And they’d all come on short deals.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 30, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't get on the Mike Cameron train
If you thought Rick Ankiel was bad at striking out, this guy is a close 2nd.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 30, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His OBP is decent.
Who cares how he makes his outs?
by spants on Oct 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if signing cameron means
we can pick up a starting pitcher besides smoltz, i’m down. i don’t think 5/85 is out of the question, though, considering what bay is likely to sign for. i’d even go as much as 5/90, but no more than 5 years
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not meaning
i don’t want smoltz back; i do, but i’d like to pick up another starter and make smoltz the closer
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who they have working with Sauce this off season.
I would love to have him get another pitch to work with and maybe have two closers.
Having Smoltz be the other one. I just don’t want to lean on smoltz everyday.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's working with McGwire.
If he can learn to hit dingers, he can be our backup catcher.
by spants on Oct 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if you hit enough dingers then who needs a closer.
I can see the logic in that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smoltz > Sauce (closing-wise)
Not sure who the Cards will have as their closer. Probably Franklin, who was fine until he signed that extension. Then the reverse-jinx suddenly became a jinx.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really, though
how awesome would it be smoltz to close, motte to setup and franklin to be traded when he has a lot of value
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be good
but who would want to go after Franky?
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i bet there's a good market
for a close for 2/6.5 that had a year of 1.92 era, 38 for 43 in saves, and 2 hr in 61 ip. those numbers look pretty fantastic. hard to believe there isn’t a team willing to be interested. too bad mo probably won’t try and trade him. he’s tony’s closer for 2010 and that’s that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure there'd be much interest in Franklin
he’s been too mediocre for too long for people to suddenly buy into him as a shutdown closer, IMO. There are fewer outright bad GMs in baseball now than there were 5 years ago, and sadly San Francisco and Kansas City don’t need a closer…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 2, 2009 4:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be like trading for somebody that could help the club.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious what Pineiro is going to cost in the offseason
if his transformation is for real, he’d be a great get for the rotation. You could still get Smoltz and let he and Jaime Garcia alternate between the DL and the minors respectively.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Smoltz back more than anything this year
that would make me very very happy.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 2, 2009 4:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
man, these p-d posters
they’re so incredibly malleable. when the mcgwire news first broke it was almost universal outrage about how he’s a disgrace and an embarrassment to baseball and i’m not a cardinals fan anymore boo hoo. and now bernie writes an article basically saying that people are overreacting and that if he helps the cards hit, then who cares. and now it’s pretty much universal that people are being way too hard on mac and need to LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE because he’s just a good guy who made a mistake. fucking sheep
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame them though
I wasn’t a big fan of it at first, but it’s slowly growing on me
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 30, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and apparently some P-Ders are
fans of Noah Lowry, who hasn’t pitched in nearly 2 years and is 40-31 with a 4.03 ERA in his career. I can’t buy that.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dude's the hitting coach
if he helps the hitters, what else matters?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a tuss
Heading to bed – I’ve got a tuss (a tired puss).
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
disregard that last comment
my father, who is a weird man, decided to put that up there. it never happened.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
"If it was Zoom Zoom'd, we'd be doom doom'd" - making fun of myself for my bad luck streak in the 2009 season
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
az changed his avatar
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it threw me off
f’in robot
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did? and he forbid us from doing so
jerk
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I approve of double standards.
And as spants notes, same theme.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still surprised no one has found that Bender picture
where he is drunk and riding a pegacorn
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 31, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a search for
Futurama pegacorn. Every link on page one leads back to VEB.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just added it to the glossary
winnar.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know if we should be disturbed or proud of that feat
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 31, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little from A, a little from B.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 31, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
duly noted
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 31, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and sometimes we should be careful what we predict....
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/5/20/881092/2009-draft-preview-8#15943344
jd:
Why not pick up Derosa?
Let him play 3B until Wallace is ready (next year or whenever) then move him wherever the hole in the lineup. It’s flawless!
(Shit, it would probably take Wallace to get him)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 30, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't hold it against him Yadi.
How could he know that it would actually happen. Only with the pitching equivalent of Wallace.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well it's a whole long thread
there were many, many posters…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 31, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunglasses?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like somebodys internet future is so bright...
he’s got to wear shades.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tony la russa twittered?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 31, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now look how much cooler that statement becomes
Looks like somebodys internet future is so bright…
╰▄━▄╯
he’s got to wear shades.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 31, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAAAAAAHHHHHH!
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 31, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Indiana, fan of the Cardinals
Perfect combo

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Oct 31, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more oldies but goodies
with bonus timeline on Adam Wainwright
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 31, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of sad that Yadier only has 9 stolen bases
I think one of them was a close call or a scoring thing, too. could’ve gotten double-digits.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 31, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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