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Mark McGwire! rumored to be the Cardinals' next hitting coach

Well, this is weird and awesome; it's all over the internet, most recently on Derrick Goold's twitter, but still no confirmation at press time. I hope he's not sent to negotiate Albert Pujols's next contract, but Enigmatically Sized Mac—prepare for a ridiculous muscles-watch campaign for the next several months, unless he's extremely forthcoming about The Past in the interim (Khalil Greene is already putting together a long-sleeved undershirts care package)—seems to have a serious interest in the mechanics and technique of hitting, and while a player's skill-set is no guarantee of future baseball enlightenment (Joe Morgan and John Kruk both had 110+ walk years), the McGwire method, which in Matt Holliday's unsuccessful case required quieting that big leg kick, seems like a disciplined change of pace from Hal McRae, whose philosophy seemed to involve the words "grip" and "rip" and a small thesaurus. 

As for the circus—well, let's let it play out before we work up our best indignant faces. Some sportswriters might see this as a chance to focus a little more on their pet baseball black eye, but some won't, too; if that's not your prerogative the best thing to do is just to look at it in your own way, and not focus on dive-bombing the people who would see a Travesty of Baseball Ethics in Albert Pujols taking an aspirin. Perpetuating the narrative, whether to trumpet it or bury it, just keeps it going; if he says he did it, that's news, but until then each talking head from now until April is just another variation on the same set of notes. 

Right now—knowing little about his techniques, and nothing about how this would or will play out—I'm excited. He's Mark McGwire! As much as the congressional hearings made me cringe, as much as the Cardinals' subsequent excellence has overshadowed the years in which he was the only going concern at Busch Stadium, I would be really excited to see him back on the bench, taking up his role as Slugger Emeritus. It's been a long time coming. 

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You have to assume a guy who could draw a walk as well as he did,

would have a bit clearer idea of how to get other people to do it.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you can assume all you want

but a guy that hits 70 homers isn’t going to be pitched to quite often, so how does that help skippy/Boog

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well he's already helping Skippy.

I like those results, at least.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But not Matt.

So do they cancel each other out?

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the *intriguing* part is whether Holliday will sign at all

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

^ dat

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holliday

I’m not too discouraged by Holliday’s results. It may be that scapping the leg kick would work out, but he was already a good hitter and leg kick is a natural timing mechanism for him.

In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.

"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.

"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.

"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG

by mateodh on Oct 25, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that isn't the only reason he was walked though

McGwire had a great eye

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and likely benefitted from that reputation

much like I think pujols does on borderline pitches.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same as JD

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard that he is going to be a player/coach

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well that's just ridiculous

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

only Albert Pujols is ridiculous

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard he is going to take Thursty's roster spot

predominantly a PH

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very interesting

but how much does he want? and should we sign sosa/bonds as well?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a flag in Big Mac Land? with his face?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a flag? i'd be surprised if he didn't want a statue in left

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

could hang a banner from the deck

it’d be bigger than a statue

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

could design the grass to his likeliness

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

noooo srsly keep the Arch in.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"6ly" and this is your last warning

lashes come next

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[waits for the anti-6 crowd to show up]

seriously.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

waiting.....

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought last year's

memes were done? and isnt a rec only 5 again?

Matthew, Mark, Lugo, and John.

by BVHeck on Oct 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BLASPHEMER!

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

b/c of the disrespect for the S-r---s N-mb-r?

or the matthew mark lugo john sig?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because of 6

i’m cool with the sig

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

6 stays. Deal with it anti-6 crowd.
/Since I said this it is probably said very sweetly. Please don’t yell at me. (Hides)

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the saying of a failed season!

I don’t want to be reminded of the 2009 team’s ability to score 6 runs in an entire playoff series.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not stopping.

I’m 6.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the casual reader wonders

how does a six year old get into Clemson?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm awesome.

The same casual reader thinks some of you need to be more careful about what you say around a 6 year old.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

f'in boys

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6 year olds have to learn this stuff sometime

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

day care center

next door to the bar?

by ubeddie on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good idea

their hot momma’s gotta drink too

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are not role models

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the big question

will he get to wear no. 25?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seems to be available....

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe if he has a lengthy career

as a cardinals hitting coach, they will retire it in St. Louis

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that can happen but they give up edmonds number like *this

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry I don't follow you

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they give up JEd's number faster than gdm...well, you know

but McGwire’s is sacred and must not be given to anyone

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, I see what you did there

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ate a brownie?

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly what I meant

we all know what happens to a pan of brownies while you are around

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the horror

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heart Scrubs

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Oct 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't it get cancelled recently?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

new season with new cast coming soon

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

interesting, i don’t know what i’m thinking of then

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ER? According to JIm(jk)?

`

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are trying to come up with

a new name for Scrubs too since only Dr Cox & Turk are the only regulars coming back full time. there’s also one intern from last season that’s back as well but her name escapes me at the moment

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he just wants that 30M back

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you keep talking like this

you’re going to find yourself on MLB Trade Rumors as an unnamed scout before you know it.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

matty is a real person! and more reliable than Gammons!

he might even be using his real name!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gammons>Olney>rosenthal

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does the rock have a name?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you smell what he's cookin?

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoolio's left hand?

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

zing!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you saying I am greater than that rock?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well I'm trying to figure out if the rock has a name.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then mattyfrommo is probably a more credible source

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it's ...

Duane Johnson!

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing we really like about this rock is that he is not ken rosnethal.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

1. Pull stuff out of my arse
2. Comment on VEB, and become an unnamed scout
3 ?
4. profit!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's step three?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....

1. Pull stuff out of my arse
2. Comment on VEB, and become an unnamed scout
3 ?
4. profit!

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

step 3 is a mystery

did RR just solve on of life’s mysteries?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh math humor

fellow math nerds unite!

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but what's step 3?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....

1. Pull stuff out of my arse
2. Comment on VEB, and become an unnamed scout
3 ?
4. profit!

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think riverrat is trying to say you should google it.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/profit

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know the meme

just playing along with it.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you just like encouraging math nerds

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was told there would be no math

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need no encouragement

we’ll find it everywhere. everywhere, I tell you! (evil laugh)

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

quantify everywhere

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

,,,,

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

two days in a row

bravo gdm

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought riverrat posted that first

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess i'm wrong

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thief!!!!!

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm taking TWSS now.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dan already took it

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morpheus then?

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well i never saw you post this

i found it on the first page of a google image surch, it was the only thing there in 20 pages. so it’s the only thing out there, there’s lots of Mo’s so i guess i can share him with you for now.

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

guilty

I’ve been told that I’m kind of a pain in the asymptote.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

endlessly approaching irritation?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

but I never quite reach it.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that's unfortunate

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you really don't know

here’s a wiki

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it bad that the first thing that popped into my mind is that he'd be taking up space on the 40 man and 25 man rosters

i assume a player coach would be subject to the roster rules but that would be a sneaky way to have an expanded roster; fill you coaching staff with player coaches

Really, the only bad part of bacon is that it makes you thirsty . . . for more bacon

by jacksonian on Oct 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this is announced...

my head will literally explode.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you should lay out a tarp

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there better be more than one person

if they need a tarp

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not cleaning it up

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where is he?

guess I’ll have to say it:

that’s what she said

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

brilliant

you have a bright future young one

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 26, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damnit

SBN’d

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 26, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6ly?

you think it could/would happen? I mean an NL Tony team carrying a PH/DH?

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know anymore

I don’t know what to believe
Joe Thurston was on the roster on the last day of play

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe this.

Thursty sucks. Hold onto that with both hands.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

should I wash my hands first?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Thurston's on the roster b/c of Tony...

my guess is that McGwire is the hitting coach b/c of Tony

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I got it

Pujols goes o third Big mac at first and all our problems are solved!

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by jove it's tony enough to happen

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I am now convinced that this is almost official

I still would not be surprised to see McGwire back out of this at the last minute.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how old are his kids?

hmm

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, the mcgwire kids factor into this decision

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh...

Not the biggest fan of this. I’m sure he’s a good hitting coach. But I just don’t like signing the guy who, in reality, has become a punchline for the steroid era to serve as a mentor to younger players, etc.

But that’s just me.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Oct 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

add that

he now becomes even more associated with our team, etc…I’m not even happy that he has a highway in StL named after him.

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Oct 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a fan of this either

I lost my respect for him after his gaffe at the steroid hearings. I like the fact that McRae is gone, but they could’ve picked a guy that doesn’t have any outstanding issues.

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever

Manny pops this year, gets suspended and everyone loves him. Petite makes up some story about only doing it once and he is off the hook.

McGwire was the only guy who did not lie in those hearings. Screw what the press made him out to be. The have shown if they like a guy they like a guy. And when they can make sell a story for tearing down a guy, they’ll tear down a guy.

by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

* pettitte

it was only petite before the riods.

by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

nice

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed.

McGwire’s “performance” at the hearing looks better and better in retrospect, especially in comparison to others like Raffy and Sosa.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those hearings were all about Congressional strutting and

huffing and puffing and nothing else. In my view, McGuire was the only person who came out of that fiasco with any dignity. More people should have refused to cooperate with that Potemkin hearing.

And the man wants to hit the ball. And he does! And there he goes, off in that direction. And everyone is happy. -- Marge Simpson's play-by-play

by vico on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

We apparently saw two different things.

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 26, 2009 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

couldn't agree more...it was a joke

i was embarassed by how stupid some of the congressmen were.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 26, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah seriously

Why the hell does Congress give a crap about a game? There were bigger fish to fry.

by Mulliganstew on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One day

You’ll have to tell me how Sosa shooting up ANYTHING affects MLB’s hold on American baseball. It would take something far greater than steroids for Congress to dissolve the monopoly on baseball, and even then look how well alternative football leagues do.

by Mulliganstew on Oct 27, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying there isn't a PR-element here.

Look, they do what their constituents want them to do. If they’re receiving calls, emails, and letters about this from a ton of constituents (and knowing the misplaced morality of Americans, you know they were) then they are going to look into it. Everyone knows MLB’s status as a legal monopoly, and that status is contingent upon the league following the law. People know this.

by spants on Oct 27, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with the Frog...

:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To top it all off

the stuff that he was taking that started it all, andro, wasn’t even illegal at the time. Not saying that it was right or wrong, just sayin.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 26, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that it might've been OTC at the time as well.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 26, 2009 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think it still is

the andro set the whole thing off, but it’s the stuff he was doing before the andro that resonates

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure you are right about that.

I just remember when that reporter took out of Mac’s locker and it blew up from there. At least Mac’s head didn’t turn into a mardi gras float like Bond’s did.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it still kills me

that bottle of andro just sitting there, rather innocently.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was...

you could get it at GNC. It was the hot thing to take after creatine had kind of puttered out…

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 26, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

70 through downtown.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Oct 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what's next

does he take oquendo’s spot as future manager?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*I know, what's next?

i need a grammar nazi’s help

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naturally,

Hal McRae has always been completely respectable.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At about 1:08 into the video

Is that a bottle of alcohol in his hand right there? I never noticed that before.

Also, at 0:55 in, is that blood on that guy’s face? Did he get scraped by that phone Hal chucked or something?

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Oct 25, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I seem to remember

without looking at the video, that, yes a reporter did get scraped up a bit in that incident.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure why I think I remember this, but..

I think he got hit with some food. Maybe ketchup or something. I may be way off on this. It’s been a while since I’ve seen the footage.

by cdc81 on Oct 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right on both counts.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmmm...

….was he wearing pajamas during that rant, ’cause that is just disturbing…
:=8.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

isn’t tlr controversial enough?

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Oct 25, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey mattyfrommo

are serious about the player/coach thing?

/sarcasm radar is broken

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mixed emotions

and hope this isn’t a pr move – bringing in star power to mask future disappointments

and i’m very curious about how it went down. was ditching hal tied to tony’s contract, and did tony fight for him, then be given mac to soothe his anger, a la holliday after duncan was traded…or what? any speculation?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tony has been trying to get Big Mac as a coach.

For years now. I doubt if it is just a PR move.

by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

definitely not a pr move

if you hire a guy with as much scrutiny placed on him as McGwire, you’d better be darn sure he’s going to do his job well, or you shoot yourself in the foot.

In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.

"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.

"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.

"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG

by mateodh on Oct 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shoot one just for safe measure

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but tony

has been known to shoot himself in the foot before when loyalty comes into play. i’m just hoping all involved were on board with big mac and he wasn’t a consolation to tony for firing hal.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's no way Bill & MO aren't on board & want Big Mac for hitting coach

TLR doesn’t have that much powar

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder sometimes

and it causes me worry

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't worry about it

Mo trade C. Duncan. Tony doesn’t run the show. He does have an Opinion though.

by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that 250 an hour

for my therapy?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAIT!!!!

what does that capital “O” signify?
/paranoid

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tempting the GOB

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how so?

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when he fires Mo and becomes GM

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kaaaaaaaaaaaaaablooey

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't tempt them, man!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR

Has also assembled one of the best coaching staffs in baseball over the last decade. I trust this one.

In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.

"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.

"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.

"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG

by mateodh on Oct 25, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert Pujols and Chris Carpenter?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

truer words...

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Konichiwa Danielsan

how’s the vacation to the far east?

here’s hoping Big Mac’s hitting philosophy takes a que from Mr Miyagi’s book

first learn stance, then learn how to draw a walk. natural rules of baseball players, not mine. Wax on, right hand. Wax off, left hand. Wax on, wax off, walk on, walk off. Breathe in through nose, out the mouth. Wax on, wax off, walk on, walk off. Don’t forget to breathe, very important. wax on, wax off, walk on, walk off. win.

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Gotta rec that for the work alone.

Along with a beautiful 80’s movie reference.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a little perspective

John Smoltz’s line….
 Mark McGwire

PA  AB  H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO  
7 6 1 0 0 0 2 1 1

 BA    OBP   SLG   OPS   SH  SF IBB HBP GDP
.167  .286  .167  .453   0   0   0   0   0        

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh, a link.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/pvb.cgi?n2=mcgwima01&n1=smoltjo01

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you think six AB is a big enough sample size

you are so much better than that

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is obvious what Yadi2 meant

Smoltz for closer!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[watches to see what else people think it's about]

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Smotzl was better than most for

most of the late 90’s and early 00’s. That line just proves it.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

smoltz for player coach?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's add more numbers

May 15, 1967
Oct 1, 1963

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh I know their DOB

or is it conception?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, I don't want to know where you get your stats

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this
baby is all I need

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so get on the calculations

when is the prime time for a third baseman

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe it's

in the beginning or end of the month as is the case with beltre,glaus ,zimmerman,longoria

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just tell me finn rolen fits your model

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it does, actually.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 26, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it = DOB

don’t mean to imply he’s an it

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 26, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then we need to get

our resident astrologist on this immediately.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

sun in Virgo
moon in Gemini …. in conjunction with Mars, interesting
ascendant in Libra or Scorpio, depending on the time.

lots of squares and oppositions. both sun (personal) and moon (relationships) have direct oppositions, and they’re square with each other.

pretty much it suggests someone really, really intense and impulsive. outgoing, likes to challenge himself, needs excitement, won’t quite get across to other people + short fuse. extreeeeeeme. a… handful, as they say.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 26, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

nice!

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 26, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that Finn Rolen's chart?

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Oct 26, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

ascendant’s probably wrong, but I did mah best.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 27, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty awesome--I bet Scotty himself has plenty of squares and oppositions

and I think he’s still part of the Libra in Pluto cohort that quickly severs relationships and doesn’t look back.

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Oct 28, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude, there's baseball.

thought it was just a rumor.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Over under on mention

of Petite’s great pickoff move….4.5

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with or without men on base?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettitte does have a great pickoff move

it’s called ‘impunity from the balk rule.’ He steps toward home and throws to first EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It made me so mad when he was with the Astros.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Oct 25, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THERE IT IS.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they did mention Valatan's point about Balky

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pettitte made that look easy

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not a fan of this

For several reasons:

-traditionally coaches have to prove their worth as a coach and work their way up the ladder. Mac may turn out to be a great hitting coach, but I dislike the idea of finding out at the ML level.

- we have heard that Holliday worked with Mac and had some poor results. Might having Mac as his hitting coach weigh into Holliday’s decision on where he plays next year?

- the sideshow that comes along with Mac. We all know about “I’m not here to talk about the past.”

I know Mac has worked with individuals in the past, but that is not the same as working with a dozen different guys with a dozen different problems.

Having said all of that, it beats having McRae back, and I hope that Mac proves me wrong and is an excellent coach.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

he did help dunc jr. increase he Pitches/PA though

So a combo of him and abreu(who i’ve heard helped the angels) will get up there.

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm guessing chris means he can tell a ball from a strike

but has trouble picking out the type of pitches coming at him. he has a great O-swing but a terrible contact rate, which suggests, say, he’s looking fastball and swinging early on a change.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

He doesn’t seem to be able to read a change-up and/or a tailing fastball, at least in the clips I’ve looked at.

I’ve tried to look at clips of his swing and misses to see if he’s got a mechanical problem, and pretty much inevitably he’s horribly fooled by a pitch.

I think he may be especially vulnerable when he’s behind in the count.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i for one am pleased that the yutzes at ESPN and the ignoramuses in the commentary section

of every sports-related site can turn off their reptillian brains and basically say “steroids” for the next week.

watch for “he’s got the easiest coaching job around. he just has to say ‘put this in your arm.’ HAW HAW HAW STEROIDS GET IT HE’S GONNA TEACH THEM TO USE STEROIDS AND NOT TEACH THEM TO HIT” comments to hit message boards near you.

still trying to sort through my thoughts about all this. I will note that, as regards the plate discipline, mcgwire did have a 20% or better walk rate from 1993 through 2000 (with one exception in 1997). that seems to antedate his alleged steroid-induced peak. on the other hand, this was a guy who hit 49 HR in his first full season in 1987. so, he was always a fearsome power hitter.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This has always been

my argument in any McGwire conversation:

this was a guy who hit 49 HR in his first full season in 1987. so, he was always a fearsome power hitter.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was pretty small back then too

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

skinny as a 20 yr old rail.....

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the argument, of course, is how much of it was OMS

……….AW SHIT. Colby’s going to regain the weight he’s supposed to put back on and they’re going to jump all over him.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, McGwire showing him the way......

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then he'll stress-eat at midnight

and then it’ll be Joe Thurston in center.

noooooooooooo

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't take this the wrong way

but something about how your mind works is seriously fucked up.

the only way joe thurston ends up in center is if tony subs him in LF and he gets lost.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

aw, you noticed

thanks

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well done.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the alternative was

“and then it’ll be Rick Ankiel in center”

I toned it down

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and for that we thank you.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds plausible to me

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This had me rolling

I could totally see Thurston wandering and ending up sitting down in the grass next to Colby.

by Mulliganstew on Oct 26, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

colby put that weight on last off-season

with a workout regimen of his choosing. it was a slight point of contention, IIRC, between he and the powers, who wanted him to play fall/winter ball instead. This always gave Klobby points to me – his confidence that he would make roster, and his self-knowledge of what he needed to do. He’ll be strong next year, and a future perennial all-star.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, but he lost the weight due to his stomach problems this season

I’m saying the wags and idiots will start comparing and contrasting pictures and go “look! proooooooof!”

just like people look at Albert’s expanding frame and discount the fact that he’s going easy on his killer workouts due to the elbow, and he’s genetically predisposed to being a big dude…. and go “look! prooooooof!”

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 26, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

and fuck them. none of these national guys really know shit about the team anyway. half the time they get the names wrong.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take anyone out who says Colby's on steroids.

Just try idiots in the media. Just try.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah but look at him in the late 90's early 00's

that’s what i meant by small. not normal small, small for him. he’s always been a beast of a man.

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

strategically placed signature:

Amplifying or disguising? Discuss.

Also, the freudian implications of signing your own junk.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 26, 2009 1:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

rickey henderson

is the only one who should sign his own junk because he can say, “And that’s Rickey’s junk.”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable

At least the sig is short, so it didn’t quite loop around REGGIE’S junk.

by siddfynch on Oct 26, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that a "g"

or is he just happy to see reggie?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amplifying

It clearly says to me, “Look at my junk.”

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Oct 26, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what. the. fuck. Vlad.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what did he do? i was watching house

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doubled up at first

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh and the next batter got a base hit.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why you gotta kick the season while it's down

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

way too soon peach

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to know.

I’ll hold off until we start playing again.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i got the "gnomes" song stuck in my head now

thanks to whoever decided to bring that up

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so implore you all to listen to this so you can share in my misery

LISTEN TO ME

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG

by slu on Oct 25, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're making it very, very easy

 not to click on that link. You gotta disguise it better.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not rickrolling.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

could be worse

a lot worse

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't you remember the last time you did this!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boog would've gotten that

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about this...

either. I mean he hit a bunch of HRs but I don’t remember him being the greatest contact hitter, especially without the ’roids.

by rva on Oct 25, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know...

of any objective way to assess the performance of hitting coaches, or to project the performance of someone before they take the job?

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I brought it up mid season and

it wasnt really talked that much about…some debated if they even made a difference

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Oct 25, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/5/26/888519/coaches-and-their-signifagance

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Oct 25, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could very well be negative

A pro hitter called me once to ask about some of the stuff his hitting coach was telling him to try to get him out of a slump. It was standard conventional wisdom (extension and throw the hands at the ball, etc.) and it would have made his swing worse and not better. I have also had a AAA hitting coach tell me that Pujols does things that video shows that he clearly does not do. Many of these guys are just regurgitating clues that may have worked for them but that can be interpreted VERY differently by different people.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For example

Here’s an e-mail I received a couple of years back from a guy who is now a manager at A ball.

Do yourself a favor and go back to the drawing board when talking about the upper body of these great hitters swings. You do a pretty nice job of explaining the lower half but then blow it on the hands and upper body. Take a good look at your clips and tell me where Pujols’ hands go after he makes contact with those arms bent…they work “through the zone” just like your overhead video clip of Linear hitting shows. That is what we term extension through the zone. This “connection” you describe with the back elbow (which is dead right) actually is a slot that the back elbow extends through to give your barrel more time in the zone. The diagrams of Pete Rose from overhead are WAY off. You will only see Albert’s hands work in a circle if he is ridiculously jammed on an inside pitch.

The thing that really got me was when his objections to my comments about a video clip of Pete Rose’s swing.

- Overhead View of Pete Rose’s swing

He apparently wasn’t a big fan of reality and how it conflicted with his sense of when and where extension happens.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over and over again...

…I am approached by parents of HS kids who…

1. Have beautiful swings.
2. Are hitting WELL.

…whose coaches are desperately trying to change their swings because they their their swing won’t scale.

More often than not these kids have THE swing and their coaches are simply to ignorant to recognize a good swing when they see it.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this guy really believe

what he writes?

Duncan wants to continue coaching, and there are not many options for him in the big leagues outside of St. Louis.

honestly, if DD said I’m a FA, I’m sure more than one lucrative offer would show up.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let me guess

Rosenthal?

I don’t think he even merits unicorns….

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jon Paul Morosi.....
Jon Paul Morosi is a national MLB writer for FOXSports.com. He previously covered baseball for the Detroit Free Press and Seattle Post-Intelligencer. He began his journalism career at the Bay City Times in his native Michigan.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd think from working in Seattle and all

he’d have a better feel for DD.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe they have a brainwashing program

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look here please

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[closes subject line]

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 26, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite to Passan levels, but.....

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one thing we can all be sure will arise out of this hiring:

hyperventilating bryan burwell article hits the paper in 5 . . .4 . . .3 . . . 2 . . . .

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

link?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't get to 1 yet.

Patience.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it just has the feel of inevitability to it.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naw, he was too busy bitching about the Rams

"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog

"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009

by andi_k on Oct 26, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way I see it: McGwire could be good or bad

in the end he’s not Hal McRae, and that’s a good thing. I really want us to see more pitches and draw more walks next year.

by sdrone on Oct 25, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was never a fan of Charley Lau Sr.'s mechanics stuff

His book is absolutely terrible.

His ego and approach stuff is gold, but I don’t think McRae seemed to be teaching that.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lucky that Pettitte was exposed as a doper...

otherwise he’d be on his way to the HOF. That’d be tough to stomach.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He'll still make it in

He didn’t take much heat for being a doper.

by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder who...

the first high profile doper to go in will be.

I betcha it’s Manny simply because of that Manny-being-Manny crap.

Clemens, Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Palmeiro… they’re all screwed for at least a generation.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably palmeiro

3000 hits 500 HR not many of those guy
+ he retired before clemens+ bonds

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettitte

Going to break the record for most post-season wins very soon.

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Oct 25, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It blows my mind

That he received basically zero bad PR for outright lying.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then he spouts all that Christian morality crap...

NOTE: nothing wrong with Christian morality, just pointing out a blatant hypocrite who can’t keep his trap shut about this stuff.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never underestimate what a person will do or say to save their ass

christian or not

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettitte will "never" make the HOF

and nothing to do with doping.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: Quick question

I’m looking for a music service. I’ve tried rhapsody and napster with disappointing results. Anyone have a good suggestion? I’d like cheap mp3 files without a monthly service fee.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I use amazon.com

Everything is DRM free and relatively cheap.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

limewire, it's free

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only use limewire to try stuff out or if I can't buy it

Also, there are lots of crappy encodes on Limewire.

If you value your time, it’s cheaper to just buy them at $.99.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've had a few problems with it, but for the most part it's been good

you just really have to be careful

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you mean by

be careful? The price sounds right to me, but I’m not exactly tech savvy.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

sounds scary. Any suggestions for free virus protection while we are at it?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About 1/4 of the files are trojan horses and other bad things

It’s obvious by the file size, type, and/or bit rate if you know what you are doing.

But it’s not obvious to novices.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumb question:

Why don’t the music companies flood these sites with infected downloads… Or do they do that already?

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, they do that

that’s where most of the virus’s come from

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so

I have a 75% chance for not picking the bad file? I like my chances!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have been reported

please run scoot before the internet police catch you

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jokes on them

I didn’t do it yet. Must be gdm they’re after.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice trickery man

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

got an example of

file size, type, bit rate to look out for? I’m 6ly considering giving this thing a go

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll also learn pretty quickly to tell what's a good or bad file

the newer songs always have a bunch of junk files out there

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sweet

thanks for the help, both of you. I’m not real interested in new stuff anyway, so hopefully I won’t have too many problems

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would just got with a bit torrent

much safer. Use isohunt.com to search for the torrent, and read the comments to see how legit it is. But first download a torrent program. I prefer utorrent.com .

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Oct 26, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Big Mac answer the questions

at his hiring press conference? Might have to address the issue in order to be hired (DeWitt requirement?) so there isn’t a circus entering ST. Straight forward approach appears to have worked even for A-Rod. Another plus would be to hold the conference just prior to the WS to make the issue back page news as soon as possible.

by ubeddie on Oct 25, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's got to be straight forward or it'll be a disaster

I’m expecting something along the lines of, “I did it. It was wrong. I regret it. Now let’s move on.”

Anything else and it will dog, and eventually destroy, him.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

protocol

requires after WS.

and he is long retired. no one cares. it is not akin to arod. he really doesn’t have to answer anything, unless he cares about the HOF.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah for crips sakes...

I hate the Yankees.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...all because of USA...

Or wait, because you like the Yankees?

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a little from column A, a little from column B

but if you’re game, maybe we can try some Jameson & see if that helps

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

Don’t you come with an internet son?

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i only have him once a month

and that’s only during the summer

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss the days...

when Steinbrenner was a laughing stock and the Yanks hired a new manager every .75 years.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good time...good times.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's some actual binary translate if you want

01101001 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110100 01100101 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01000111 01000100 01001101 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110100 01101111 01101111 00100000 01100111 01101111 01100100 01110011 00100000 01101111 01100110 00100000 01100010 01100001 01110011 01100101 01100010 01100001 01101100 01101100

http://home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you I try my best

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly nexdef'd

but Steve Phillips has been fired by the WWL

If only they could get rid of Morgan…

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Phillips ability to be an effective analyst was significantly and irreparably damaged"

That’s all you need to know about the WWL… He can’t analyze baseball effectively anymore because he had an affair.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

translation:

Our legal department told us that if he ever put his anatomy near another female employee again, said female employee would soon be owed several hundred million dollars.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

His ability to be an effective analyst

was significantly and irreparably damaged in the womb.

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Oct 26, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well I did not see that one coming

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you loved kids?

You don’t even have to do anything, just act crazy and stuff.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think something else was involved besides acting crazy.

Besides how am I supposed to get a teaching job if I’m all over the news for that?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is in teaching.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We give all our novice teachers a talking to about how they present themselves – and are presented by others – on myspace and facebook. Cause parents will check.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah they will.

Parents are stalkers. I know. My mother is an expert fb stalker.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's either disturbing or retroactively cool

That a lot of the education majors I know are all fairly………morally lax.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here.

It appalls me. The people in my math class scare me. I don’t want them teaching my children.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you home schooled your kids

you would be one of the most highly educated home school teachers!
/comment said in fun, please no flaming arrows

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I was making the broad generalization that most homeschool moms don’t have a bachelors degree yet consider themselves better suited to educate their kids than professional teachers

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean that's true.

I don’t like home schooling. I actually think most of the people in my classes will be fine teachers it just scares me seeing them now.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

They’re just being kids. I’ve always been mature for my age so I’ve never really been into things like partying and stuff like that.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of them will grow up.

Some will be counseled out of teaching. And some will make it into the classroom and figure out it’s not for them. And, unfortunately, a few will make it through and damage some kids. But hopefully we can limit that number.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they're going to damage kids

There’s just a lot of education major sluts it seems….which just changes how I retroactively look at the world from the ages of 13 to 18. Doesn’t mean they can’t teach math without boning a 15 year old.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They will damage children if they aren't serious about their jobs.

If they are not doing their job they will damage children.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kindergarten or first grade.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must be patient.

What a fun age! You get to teach counting. :-)

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love little kids.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does level of teaching determine income?

high school teacher earn more than kindergarten teacher?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that much.

I may be wrong. But I don’t think so.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how this breaks down,

and if it varies from district to district. But good kindergarten teachers are worth their weight in gold. Starting pitching levels.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my nephew is in K

it’s shocking how little he’s being taught. 6ly, he’s learned more from his mom than he has so far at skool

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not good.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't remember what we did in my kindergarten class

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we had half days when I went

so for the first hour or so we colored then were read to the rest of the day

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's only for 4 hours a day too!

when i was in K, i actually had to do stuff like math. and i went to skool for 8 hours & liked it.

f’in private skools

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gdm probably had to go to two straight half day classes

you know, to catch up

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i still failed

plus it was a private skool. they could keep me as long as my parents wanted me there

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In gym class

we did the robot and played with the giant parachute. My gym teacher – Mr. Adams – was the greatest.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We tried to injure people with hard rubber balls

And that built character.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i threw wrenches

if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.../

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The giant parachute!!!!!!

My favorite thing!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know!

My gym teacher always played Judy Collins’ “Bring in the Clowns” when we played with it. We also did those clacky bamboo sticks.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my gym teacher was a vietnam vet

so whenever someone asked them about his missing arm he yelled at us and made us do laps.

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gym teachers

are a special breed.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Any like 3rd grader I’ve talked to (like my cousins and whatnot you sick people) in the past few years is doing stuff then that I didn’t get to till like 6th grade like powerpoint projects and stuff.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are if they aren't being serious about school

because they’re too busy doing other things.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

If I stayed at home I could unquestionably give a kid a better book education than 95% of the teachers I had, but you’re still going to raise a psycho because the social education of going to school is at least as important anyway. There’s no other way to learn past the awkwardness of interaction.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you're actually educated.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

the social aspect of normal school is very important

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know a home schooled kid and he's mostly normal

He gets lots of interaction with kids in other settings.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are a lot

of home schooled kids here at Moody. Some of them are pretty normal, but the majority of them are extremely eccentric, even for a Bible college ;)

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my cousins out west are home schooled

they are very, very odd. especially for christans

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes

the oddness is a result of the home schooling, but sometimes the home schooling is needed as a result of an odd child getting picked on at school, in turn compounding the eccentricities.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was home schooled for three years 5th-7th grade

and in that time the only thing that makes you odd is all the time spent with your parents.

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bro was home skooled for

about 5 years too. he’s also very odd. but high skool & collage got a lot of the weirdness out of him.

my aunt & uncle are weird people too, so that explains a lot as to how my cousins are turning out

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

the problem is all the cool parent send their kids to public school

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Self selected group

This sounds almost as if you are judging home schoolers based on the ones that attend a highly unusual school.

by siddfynch on Oct 26, 2009 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

Also, more opportunity to interact with kids across a range of ages.

A home schooled curriculum can range from being raised in a homsteader’s cabin to interacting daily with 40+ other home school kids at scheduled events, then playing after-school sports. The “no social interaction” argument has to come with a qualifier, or it’s pretty much just uninformed.

by siddfynch on Oct 26, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you're looking for informed comments....

don’t bother discussing homeschooling on a blog about cardinals baseball and you won’t end up being disappointed.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 26, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet

those home school kids keep doing so well that colleges recruit and compete for them.

Maybe the broad generalization isn’t so accurate? Or doesn’t speak to the only thing that makes for a constructive educational environment?

by siddfynch on Oct 26, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there any evidence that colleges,
colleges recruit and compete for them (Homeschooled children).

?

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Oct 26, 2009 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly given me perspective

On why the whole student-teacher “relationship” things seem so common…

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only good analyst they have is Vina

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Singleton better

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one beats Timmy K

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TIMMEH

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 26, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we can all agree that the desk jockeys (burfum/ravich?) suck

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I like Ravech

He was the only one who picked the Cards to win the WS in 06 (in the expert predictions_ prior to the WS

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

typing fail

(in the expert predictions)*

Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always remember ravech for that too

I’m always partial to him now.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's always one of my favorite moments in my Yahoo! college pick 'em league

When I’m the only one in the group to pick a game correctly. For example, I was the only one that correctly predicted South Carolina wouldn’t cover against Vanderbilt last night.

John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd imagine that

being the only WWL expert to correctly pick the WS winner would be the ultimate in “I told you so”
I wonder how Ravech handled that.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if he actually thought that

Or if the network told him to make that prediction? I’ve heard that they do that to try and ratchet up ratings.

John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah there's always that too

I still like him, he seems to be the voice of reason when all the talking heads are just going on and on about how great the DH is and how Boston has the best fans in baseball. He usually sticks up for the NL, something even Kruk doesn’t do that often

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well burfum is still a horrible biased red sox fan

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody who picked the Cards to win the WS going into 2006...

was an idiot. That was obviously a team in decline

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

guayzimi has my back

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the predictions were just prior to the WS

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah...

yes… Should read the entire comment next time.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

/cough

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT:

What about Shelley Duncan as a stopgap if we don’t sign Holliday? Dude rakes at Scranton-WB and it would make pops happy. I’m sure he’s a butcher in the field…

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather not do that.

I like being able to to listen to Sports talk radio.

by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it the one where he makes..

fun of the guy for needing a stool to get into his truck? I always figured he turned off half of the truck buying public with that one.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a blanket statement

If it’s a commercial for Chevrolet that stars Howie Long, I hate it.

(The one that just came on had something to do with seat size)

John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah...

Ford seats are for narrow-ass liberals. That’s my second favorite

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you tell Pandora you don't like a song it apologizes.

It’s the cutest thing.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this site gives you all the songs you need

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Pandora.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't have a max number of songs

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care.

I don’t need a lot of songs. That means I’ll buy more songs on iTunes. I’ll go broke.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grooveshark is nice

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

first time there?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

I’ve used it for a few months. I haven’t looked for a song I couldn’t find :P

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Oct 26, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hit a homer, homer

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here we go baby...

all set for vlad.

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we say ryan braun here

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok just don't let it happen again

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

el douchey is also an acceptable term

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or deputy douchebag

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Deputy seems to be a proper noun

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 26, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you fucking kidding me

how do you hit that!

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this should illustate the call

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

weird

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there an echo in the house?

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stay out of the basement peach!

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would you go towards the scary music?

get out there NOW!

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I need to figure out why there's a light on down there...

I don’t remember turning it on. And there’s this scratching noise, like when someone runs a knife along a cement wall. It could be a kitten trapped down there!

I’ll be right back.

by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

famous last words

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

..

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for that.

/whimpers

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

yes.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have a winner

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good for you cody, you've scarred an attractive co-ed.

beam with pride my man. beam with pride

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahhhh

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look at that swing

you think mo’s watching?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope not

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you can swing a guitar you can swing a bat

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be Joe Thurston

Notice how he’s chopping down on the target.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or Derosa throws the ball to ludwick

no?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In DeRosa's defense

Ludwick was sleeping out there. DeRosa was trying to wake him.

by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

peach are you alright?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

she's with God now cody

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's probably exactly what she's saying right about now

RIP Peach. i’ll miss you the mostest

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bye

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

STOP IT!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

cody went to a whole new level with that sucker

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stepped it a level

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stepped it ↑ a level?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks scoot

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont thank me

thank alt + 24

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are a wise man

is it true you have a second identity?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have my identity on here

and my real life identity where I am a lazy no good grad student. But, only one identity here. Have you been listening to gdm?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what was i thinking

facepalm

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wooooooooot

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Suggestions

Deadman’s party – Oingo Boingo
Somebody’s watching me – Rockwell
Time Warp – Rocky Horror
I’m not dead – Pink

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More suggestions

The Candy Man – Sammy Davis Jr.
Scream – Michael Jackson
Running with the Devil – Van Halen
Gimme More – Britney Spears
I Saw Your Mommy – Suicidal Tendencies

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gimme more? 6ly?

how is that scary? Toxic is scarier than that

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gimme gimme (Candy)

Hello?

Of course I made up a play list for kids (mostly).

It does have “Holiday In Cambodia” because it’s rather dark song and kind of creepy.

I also have a fair number of Smiths songs on my Halloween playlist (There’s a Light That Will Never Go Out, Pretty Girls Make Graves).

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh OK, i wasn't looking at it that way

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Fear the Reaper - Blue Oyster Cult

Also: Not really a suggestion, but one of my favorite song titles of all time:
The Siege & Investiture of Baron Von Frankenstein’s Castle at Weisseria – BOC

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Oct 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have you ever heard Gus's version of DFTR?

it’s pretty cool

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn't

so I pulled it up on YouTube. That’s good stuff.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Oct 25, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's been around forever too

they recorded it in 94 or 95 i think

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hello zepp by charlie clouser

Otherwise known as the Saw theme

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and an awesome book

and an awesome movie

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually a TERRIBLE movie

One of the worst I’ve ever seen.

I can’t remember why I hate it, but it’s visceral.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the sound at the end when it cuts to a black screen

makes the entire movie worth it. But I’m kind of a Stephen King fan, and I recognize a lot of the film adaptations of his movies aren’t that great as far as movies go

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a long time ago

So I’ll take your word for it.

Maybe it was that I found the movie disturbing, too (I forget).

I think that was one of two movies I have ever walked out of.

Very Bad Things was the other.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never saw very bad things in the theater

but i thought it was good for what it was. predictable, but good

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hear that happens to almost everyone

once you have kids, you entire outlook on everything changes

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly

I still have my moments, but too often I find my parent instincts kicking in.

It sucks.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For example...

I worked a HS football game Friday night.

Instead of letting my eyes wander and enjoy, as I did way bad when, my various thoughts were…

1. How do I tell a HS freshman girl that I know that she’s got WAY too much makeup and and looks like a tramp?

2. Why is SHE talking to HIM. Can’t she see that he’s clearly a douche?

Borrrrrrring.

by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clearly a ryan braun

come man you have to try harder than that.

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you mean worked a football game?

i thought you were a pitching coach?

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

it’s handegg around these parts

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sympathy for the Devil -- The Stones

Proud sponsor of the Official 2009 StL Cardinal theme song: Reason to Believe

by gocards62 on Oct 25, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blehhhhhhhhh

MB for LF in 2010!

by guayzimi on Oct 25, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bobby cox in the final ejection

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love those commercials.

With the panel about electronics. I basically love any commercial with Peyton Manning.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is stupid

he should never try & get a 6 out save anymore

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great baserunning there

by figgins retreating to 2nd on a ball hit behind him. yuck

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boog catches that

el capitan

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 25, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs