Report: LaRussa Will Return
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2009 2:28 AM EDT
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According to this ESPN article (which states PD sources that I cannot find), Tony LaRussa will return to manage the Cards in '10. I know many of you are not fans of his, but let me say I am excited that he and Duncan appear to be coming back. You can't argue with eight division titles, two pennants, and one world series championship in 14 years. I look forward to both coming back.
More information will come later today, I would think. Have at it.
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Seriously.
I also heard that McGwire will announced as the hitting coach on Monday.
by _pistol_ on Oct 25, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Oct 25, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uppercuts for everyone!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Oct 25, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"In tragic news, two middle infielders were injured in an on-field celebration."
“They were upper cuts of love!” declared one journeyman before being trampled in a rush to man-hugs.
Memphis call-ups will be delayed as they do not have proper body armor for Major League walk-off festivities. The minor league system does practice celebrations, but it’s well known that jumping around and dogpiling are the extent of the experience. In the interim, Yadier Molina has been considered for second base.
Chris Carpenter later stated that it was an amateur effort, and that they would do better next time. Or else.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
linking again
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/10/25/mark-mcgwire-cardinals-new-hitting-coach/
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is in the least surprised by this, right?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, did you read that Big F'in Mac is going to be the hitting coach?
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude you beat me to it
I just fanshotted it.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather, I posted a fanshot of the MLBTR update
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gdm is always faster than the ladies, it's reason # 5 as to why he's single
speed kills
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just take it slow at first
if you can make it past the first five minutes, you’re golden
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
five minutes?
let’s work on getting pasted five seconds first. baby steps prophet, baby steps
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*snicker*
poor gdm.
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it's goes f'in gdm
but i’m sure there’s more than one way to skin a cat
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost typed "poor f'in gdm" but that looked not quite right
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's heard that his whole life, so it works
sadly, it so works
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they just need to try harder
Not your fault you are faster. Tell them to stop taking their time and hurry up!
by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're already drugged out of there minds, i 6ly can't expect much from them
errr,,,i mean,,they are already high on life & the moment of euphoria
yeah,,,,
life
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only surprise
is that the drama didn’t last longer. TLR will continue to manage until he passes McGraw in spite of his bi-annual “show me you love me” rituals.
BTW, yes you can argue with TLR’s record in the Cardinal dugout. Several other managers have done more with less.
I really can’t believe the Cardinals, the team that wouldn’t consider Barry Bonds, would hire McGwire. Just for clarity, not saying BB should necessarily have been signed, but it should have at least been on the table. If Mac really is the new hitting coach it will be interesting to see how TLR’s aggressive preference will meld with the extremely patient McGwire.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
by giveml on Oct 25, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God knows LaRussa tries my patience during the season
but I’m still mostly glad he’ll be back. I think a lot of fans were getting themselves in a grass is always greener mindset w/r/t LaRussa, and since I don’t think the FO was prepared to give it to Oquendo this year, we’d have a new manager that would likely frustrate us fans even more. I hope LaRussa gets another year (or two at most) and then they’re ready to hand it over to Oquendo.
by mattyp on Oct 25, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
give me manny acta
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too late, Cleveland's already got him
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just saw that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony La Russa has signed a new multi-year contract to return as the Cardinals manager
multi-year?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd assume
it’s a two year daeal like all of his contracts.
by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I guess since there’s really no burgeoning young talent anymore, there’s not a lot to be divided over with the Luhnow side of the front office.
Point to LaRussa.
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by azruavatar on Oct 25, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have plenty of young talent.....
Colby has only played one year. Freese or Craig should get some roster time, along with a still young Mather. Motte is only a year seasoned. Garcia, Boggs, and Hawk are still young. I don’t see how the minor league system looks any different then it has in recent years, save it is different prospects on the cusp.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Oct 25, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't follow the caliber of talent in our system closely enough then.
The Cardinals have graduated their two high impact players — Perez & Colby — and moved a ton of talent in the last 12 months — Wallace, Gregerson, Todd, etc. If you think the minors (especially the upper minors) has the same caliber of young talent that it used to, well, you simply don’t know what you are talking about.
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by azruavatar on Oct 25, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey sooner
Try posting " the sky is blue today" on the next clear day to see what type of reaction you get. I’m anxious to see the response :).
BTW, I agree. I think Mather and/or Freese and Garcia are gonna make a big impact next year.
Just win
by The Duke on Oct 26, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the sky is blue analogy really makes no sense
Do you really think that the minor league system is in as good a shape as it was last offseason? The way sooner’s post reads is " hey, we still have the same number of minor leaguers, and they are still young, so it must be as good as it was before all these moves".
Colby is not in the minor league system anymore, neither is Motte nor Boggs, or the Hawk. Mather is coming off 3 surgeries. Our top prospects now are probably Jones and Garcia. Now while the are probably plus prospects, anyone who thinks that a system headed by those two is anywhere near as loaded as one led by Colby, Wallace, Perez, Todd, Mortenson, etc. either has no idea about our minor league talent or….yeah, I can’t think of another reason.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 26, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It doesn’t have the high ceiling prospects but there are several players who could not only make the roster but start. Garcia has a chance to stick as a 5th starter. In the main threads this has been a preety common discussion topic. Mr. Freeze could take over at 3B. Boggs, Hawksworth could be very servicable major leaguers for several years (are these guys still rookies?). Craig will stick as a fourth/fith outfielder or be traded.
I think a minor league system that can put this talent on a division winner is doing well.
Just win
by The Duke on Oct 30, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's different from the assertion that Sooner made, though.
The assertion wasn’t that the farm system still had some pieces that could contribute. The assertion was that he could not “see how the minor league system looks any different than it has in recent years.” Freese does not have the potential that Wallace had, and he is several years older. Neither Jon Jay nor Darryl Jones have the pedigree, polish, or potential to start everyday the way Colby Rasmus did as a prospect. Garcia is a talent, but losing Mortensen, Todd, Gregorson, etc. has left this team with a hole in potential pitching prospects. This farm system does not currently have the quantity of prospects with same ceiling height as they have had in the last two years. Consequently, the earlier assertion made by Sooner is not an accurate assessment of the current state of the Cardinals’ farm system. That’s the point that both az and matty made, and they are completely accurate. This wasn’t a case of piling on Sooner because he spoke. It’s a case of criticizing an inaccurate statement that can be substantiated by any number of authorities on grading minor league talent.
by etp_stl on Oct 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooner said two things
1. The Cards have plenty of young talent — which is demonstrably true.
2. The minors don’t look any different than they did over the last few years except it has different players on the cusp. I personally don’t see how losing perez, todd and wallace really changes things that much. Are parisi, garcia, lynn, boggs, freeze, jones, craig really worse than that crew. If I recall Fourstick wants to bring up Jones now, many others think Garcia is our fifth starter, and the whole board can’t believe Craig isn’t already on the 25 man roster. We’ll see over time but as I said if we get 3/4 of those guys on the roster in key spots, that’s a pretty good result.
I agree that no one there probably has the ceiling that Wallace had (and by the way he wasn’t going to play first or third for us), but I don’t think that leads to the conclusion that the farm system is barren.
As to holes with potential pitching prospects , we lost some middle relievers, but there are still some nice starters in the system. I’m ok with Ottavino, Lynn, Parisi, Garcia, walters, miller still around. I bet two of those guys end up filling holes in our rotation for the next 5-7 years — I just don’t know which two.
I think Sooner was really responding to the Az’s point that FO has stripped our farm system. I think they traded from a position of strength knowing that they had a good talent behind these guys. Given the young talent on the roster already along with the names above, I think we are in great shape.
Just win
by The Duke on Oct 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your basic statement here proves my point.
Those prospects that you list that we have available were here before, as well. In addition to those, we had 4 prospects that were considered to be either a premier hitter (Wallace), a middle of the rotation starter (Mortensen), and two back of the bullpen relievers (Todd and Perez). Those are premium types of players. Some might also include Gregorsen and Worrell as cheap, serviceable major leaguers, as well.
So, Az’s statement that the organization gutted the farm system is probably hyperbole, but Sooner’s statement that he doesn’t see any difference between the system at the beginning of last year as compared to the end is categorically false. There was a great deal of talent removed from the system without being replaced by talent that is currently comparable. As such, the system is weaker today, though not without value.
by etp_stl on Nov 2, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sooner's comment was pretty off the wall.
I don’t see how the minor league system looks any different then it has in recent years, save it is different prospects on the cusp.
of the players he cites as young talent, only one has never played for the major league team (allen craig). the rest are almost sure to play for the major league team. that suggests only passing familiarity with the minor league teams. we had two top 50 hitting talents last offseason – rasmus and wallace. now we have none — rasmus has graduated, wallace was traded. we had one top 50 pitching talent — chris perez, now in cleveland. i’m not sure any of our prospects rank on either list. i don’t see an obvious A prospect unless you get to shelby miller, who’s a little young to be highly ranked.
there’s still good talent in the minors, but not like it was a year ago.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was arguing that
“young talent” doesn’t have to be “prospects” as in the Cardinals still have a lot of pre-arb players on the roster. The problem is that they aren’t very good. Cheap players like Kyle McClellan, Brad Thompson, Joe Thurston (not really young), Joe Mather (not really young), Hawksworth (not really young) etc are great to have but the Cardinals have moved two of the three impact players in the system (Wallace and Perez). I say that as someone who was completely unenamored of Wallace nonetheless.
The Cardinals desperately need Jaime Garcia to be something because PJ Walters, Mitchell Boggs, Lance Lynn, Scott Gorgen, et al don’t look like anything more than a backend arm at best. TLR’s got a solid argument for pursuing free agents this offseason because there isn’t much, if any, starter quality youngsters coming up next year.
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by azruavatar on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’m glad the stupid “La Russa to the Mets, Cubs, etc.” crap is over. I do like the hitting coach change. Personally, anything is better than McRae at this point, and McGwire probably has good relations with the people there.
Quick question though, was he the one that fixed Holliday or broke him in the first place?
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Oct 25, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he told him to stop the leg kick
so he helped break him
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, the question is....
Did the lack of leg kick actually hurt Holiday, or was it just a run of bad luck? (Or rather, a run of good luck with the Cardinals).
Holliday had a BABIP of .318 with the Athletics, .391 with the Cardinals. OTOH, his LD% also went up with the Cardinals from 15.9% to 17.1%
by DiscoJer on Oct 25, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
break it down further
he restored the leg kick while still with the A’s. if you really want to measure the difference
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Official: McGwire in as hitting coach
Via a Trey Wingo tweet:
“per ESPN’S Kelly Naqi.. it’s official. Mark Mcgwire will be cardinals hitting coach in 2010”
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Big Mac
I know he has suposedly helped out a few guys in the offseason, but color me a little skeptical of having Big Mac as the hitting coach. Time will tell I suppose.
Glad TLR is coming back though, that is good news.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Oct 25, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that .394 career OBP
says a little about his patience he might bestow on our hitters, not saying he will, just saying.
by from First to Third on Oct 25, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, it's good to be skeptical
but he’s going to be at the very least better than mcrae
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 25, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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