The untradeable: Part 1
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 6:00 AM EDT
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Yes, I'm talking about Kyle Lohse.
Hi, I'm vivaelpujols. You may remember me from such classic FanPosts as "Pitch f/x Thread", "A Look Back at the 2004 Cardinals", and "Can we please stop trashing Khalil?". Due to the fact the chuckb actually has a life, there was an opening for the VEB Sunday spot, and I emailed Dan asking if I could fill that hole. He consented, with the consideration that I did lots of Pitch f/x stuff.
So back to Lohse. After the 2008 season, in which he reached career highs in ERA, FIP and tRA, he signed a monster 4 year 41 million dollar deal. Surprisingly, VEB was somewhat sanguine about the deal, mainly due to the rather slim pickings for free agent starters, and the fact that Lohse really did have a very good 2008.
However, Lohse got injured and struggled this year... a lot. It prompted some discussion in which chuckb, among others, argued that Lohse had regressed to his career numbers, and I, among others, who argued that his injury had to be taken into account when discussing his future performance. In than FanPost, I took a breif look at his Pitch f/x data from before and after the injury this year, but I didn't get into much detail. Some other guys in the comments section requested more info, but I hadn't had time to do so.
Now, I do, so I though I would take a much more in depth look at Kyle Lohse, so we can see what to expect from him going forward.
Today, let's take a look at the PItch f/x data from 2008, so we can see a little bit more granually how he was able to do so well. First, let's check out his stuff, organized by vertical v. horizontal movement:
For those unfamiliar with this presentation of Pitch f/x data, each dot is being compared to a pitch without spin. That's why some pitches have positive vertical movement. They don't actually rise, they just have less drop than a pitch without spin. This is from the catchers point of view, so fastballs will tail to the third base side of the plate from a RHP, and breaking balls will break to the first base side.
In case it isn't clear, FA refers to fastballs, FC refers to cutters, CH refers to changeups, CU refers to curveballs and SL refers to sliders. As you can see, there is some blending; however, the clusters for each pitch are generally pretty clear.
In 08, Lohse threw roughly 58% fastballs, 4% cutters, 11% changeups, 7% curveballs and 20% sliders. His fastball averaged 91.2 MPH with a standard deviation (the average distance of each datapoint from the average) of 1.3, his cutter averaged 88.6 with a SD of 2.2, his changeup averaged 82.6 with a SD of 1.5, his curveball averaged 75.2 with a SD of 1.1 and his slider averaged 83.8 with a SD of 1.4.
Now let's take a look at how he located each pitch. For this, I split the strikezone up into 9 different zones, and measured the percentage of all pitches that were thrown in those zones. Here is the data for each pitch in 08 (given the small sample size of cutters, I simply combined them with sliders for this excersize):
|
Pitch Type |
Zone | In down | In middle | In up | Center down | Center middle | Center up | Away down | Away middle | Away up |
| FA | 60% | 5% | 7% | 5% | 6% | 9% | 5% | 7% | 10% | 6% |
| CH | 54% | 10% | 9% | 3% | 9% | 9% | 3% | 7% | 3% | <1% |
| CU | 63% | 5% | 9% | 6% | 11% | 7% | 4% | 11% | 8% | 3% |
| SL/FC | 44% | <1% | 1% | <1% | 4% | 7% | 3% | 13% | 10% | 5% |
This is how it would be to a RHH, so "In" is to the third base side. For reference, the league average 'Zone', or pitches thrown inside the strike zone, is about 53%. As you can see, threw his fastball in the zone a lot, and dispersed it pretty much eventy throughout the strike zone, favoring the 1st base side of the plate a little bit. He threw changeup in the strike zone a little bit less than the fastball, and mainly threw it in the center and inner thirds of the plate, and in the middle and down parts of those. He used his curveball to pound the strike zone, and rarely elevated it. His slider/cutter, on the other hand, was most often thrown to the first base side, and he rarely threw it in the strike zone.
Now, let's take a look at what batters did with his pitches, definitions of fields to follow:
| Pitch type | Z-Swing | O-Swing | Whiff% | GB% | SlugCon |
| Lg Avg | 62% | 25% | 19% | 45% | .509 |
| FA | 54% | 18% | 7% | 42% | .568 |
| CH | 74% | 40% | 24% | 64% | .387 |
| CU | 50% | 17% | 17% | 53% | .327 |
| SL | 64% | 26% | 25% | 55% | .372 |
Z-Swing: percentage of pitches inside the strike zone swung at
O-Swing: percentage of pitches outside the strike zone swung at
Whiff%: percentage of pitches swung at that were swinging strikes
GB%: percentage of balls in play hit on the ground
SlugCon: slugging percentage on balls in play (including home runs)
There are a couple of things to notice from this. His changuep was amazing. He got a ton of swings on it, both in zone and out of zone, with a ton of ground balls and swinging strikes. In fact, all of his offspeed pitches were very good, all generating above average GB rates and slugging on contact, while generating respectable whiff and O-Swing rates. His fastball, on the other hand, was below average in all categories.
Today, was just to take a preliminary look at what we can expect from "good Lohse". Next week, we'll compare that his pre and post injury 2009, to see if we can make any conclusions about what to expect from him going forward.
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Hey! Where'd the rest of the post go?
I read it a couple hours ago, thought of something I wanted to say, came back, and the last third of this thing is gone. All the links and everything are missing now. Was that on purpose, VEP, or is SBN acting all wonky again?
Either way, very nice introductory effort. Love the Pitchf/x stuff; just wish I had the time to properly delve into it more myself.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Oct 25, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just came back an hour later
and the tables plus the paragraphs explaining them are new to me. I swear SBN did not have those things up at 8:00 AM for me. Tis a lot more information right now.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, I don't think I changed anything
The tables were always there.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SB Nation strikes again!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBN'd
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors floating around at the stadium...
tony is back for another year
McRae out, McGwire in.
by _pistol_ on Oct 25, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McGwire? whoa!
THAT would be a big surprise. McRae leaving has been on the wall for a bit… but McGwire? Back in a dugout/uni… taking questions from the media… etc. That would really be something. Could also be a distraction.
I also just did some math- TLR is closing in on John McGraw for second place in victories (nobody is going to catch Connie Mack). About 211 victories shy. Two highly unrealistic bombtastic years, or more likely sometime preAll-Star break three seasons from now, and he’s number 2 (which is really like number one since, again, nobody can catch Mack).
by Scarecrow7775 on Oct 25, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career BB%
McRae—8.2%
McGwire—17.6%
This is good
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid Question
Is McGwire actually good at working with hitters?
Just because you can hit, it doesn’t mean you can coach and often the two are negatively correlated, with Tony Gwynn being the prototypical example and Ted Williams the exception that proves the rule.
Why not just let Albert work with guys who need help (serious question)?
by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip, C Duncan and Holliday
I’ve read stories about how the above three guys worked with McGuire during the off-season to improve their swings.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2009/03/14/a10c_cardinals_0315.html
by djsmokyc on Oct 25, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Holliday not like working with Mac?
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I saw one rather awkward interview with skippy where he basically grasped for the most polite way of saying “it didn’t really work out”.
wtg, fsm.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused...
I remember Skippy giving Mac a TON of credit for his improvements from 2007 to 2008…Holliday didn’t like Mac’s swing techniques.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Paraphrased it was along the lines of “Tried it but didn’t like it.”
I think we are giving too much credit to Mac.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a link.....
Skippy couldn’t be happier.
JUPITER — Skip Schumaker is not at all ashamed to credit former St. Louis Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire with helping him improve his hitting significantly over the past few years. In fact, Schumaker feels it’s about time McGwire got some positive publicity.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
I was talking about Matt.
And should have been clearer about hitting coaches in general. I think we give any hitting coach too much credit. That includes official or unofficial ones such as Albert, Mac, Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that's was the only guy
and he didn’t trash MM by any means, it just didn’t work for him….he likes his giant leg kick. Yadi led us down a dark path there, throwing Skippeh under the bus.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did not throw skip under the bus!
don’t sic the robot on me, dude. i just forgot a proper noun
besides, skip would slide under the bus
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on.
It’s so obvious.
He would skip over the bus.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he *is* getting better at the double plays....
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he would slide into the bus instead of running through it
Really, the only bad part of bacon is that it makes you thirsty . . . for more bacon
by jacksonian on Oct 25, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
head first
how did everyone forget to put HEAD FIRST?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we assumed it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry "it didn't really work out for Holliday"
not Skippy. he was being asked about Matt.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first thought
I don’t believe it until it’s official
second thought: FO considers holliday a goner
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WWL reporting the likely LaRussa return, nothing about McGwire yet though
by mattyp on Oct 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their headline says he is,
the story links to PD, and states no decision yet…first of the week. So in essence, WWL is just making crap up.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR will be in STL tonight for Springsteen concert
but MO is going to NY tomorrow to meet with Aroldis, so most likely no announcement until Tuesday.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well we know who's the Boss
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judith Light
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mothership is reporting that there will likely be an announcement this week.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 25, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, nevermind
they’re just circling back to the P-D too.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 25, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warning - potentially a very naive question...
…cause I’ve never really looked at this kind of data before.
The league averages in that table are for all kinds of pitches, right? Is there a way to get those league averages for specific kinds of pitches (e.g., the change-up), and would that tell one anything useful?
by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Naive 2 (sorry, but seems to fit here)
is that second chart for RH hitters only, or lefties too?
chart one is how it would look to RH hitter. Does that mean we would transpose it for lefty (down/away = down/in), or is this a splits chart and the LH chart is separate?
Please excuse my ignorance on Pitch f/x, and good job.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice content, good effort, but....
some spelling check efforts would be appreciated before you submit. (breif, pltch, granually, changuep, for example) It shouldn’t take long to do a spelling check and it would make your story more readable.
Thanks
by tenncardfan on Oct 25, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wait.
So you joined in January, and waited all this time to make your first comment about… spelling mistakes.
Hope it was worth it.
Here comes the funcooker!
by the red baron on Oct 25, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Back off Red Baron
He pointed out in a respectful way that the piece had spelling mistakes. Whats wrong with that? You have to be a frequent poster to make this comment? Come on…and you took the time to check on his joined date and number of posts? What makes you the board Nazi?
I was thinking the same thing while reading the post. It doesn’t take much time and it makes a big difference to some peoples enjoyment of the subject matter. I recently made the same request on one of Goold’s posts. He has typos through out everyone of his pieces. It can be very distracting to the subject matter when you have to figure out what the author ment to say (typos not spelling mistakes).
Milt Thompson FTW!
by gossard56 on Oct 25, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should probably use spellcheck too
ment is not a word.
So big deal, VEP misspelled a couple words in an otherwise great post. If we are going to have spelling and grammar nazis, we might as well have couth nazis as well.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cut and burn for spelling?
I’d have been gone long ago.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread should be saved
for the next time someone here says “We are so much better then the posters at BCB.”
People actually check to see when someone signed up and to look through their old posts? All I can say is, get a life. This is exactly why I try to only use “That’s what she said” replies.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we do that to check for trolls
who tend to come from BCB, ironically enough.
I don’t like what people do with the information, but the user status pages exist for a reason.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter?
Who cares where someone came from, honestly? I think people are losing grasp of the fact that we are just a bunch of guys in our underwear typing in basements.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Us girls wear clothes.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's the problem with the internet.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that & most of the "women" are actually men
f’in interwebs
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you impying that ClemsonGirl is actually a dude?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all i'm sayin is, "her" beard rivals mine
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This happened at LGT too.
Not cool y’all. Not cool.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry, i was 6ly joking
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
They are too.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had forgotten about that whole thing
Hooray for multiple childhood concussions!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was dropped on his head as a baby
a lot
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that I get.
But what did he forget? I’m confused again.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LGT thinking you're a dude maybe
no one really knows what matty’s thinking half the time. even matty
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
f'in gdm
the bearded picture of ClemsonGirl is what I forgot
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how could you forget that?
oh,,,,
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the part where I said "troll" is where you lost me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no worse than the "english" english
organise, standardise…. so on and so forth.
What happened to our team?
by und3rtovv on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously distracted by that?
It’s no different than reading a British book or article.
by spants on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get distracted in Harry Potter when there aren't periods after Mr's and Mrs's.
Not really a lot. But I was confused when Harry and Ron received jumpers for Christmas.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not entirely.
but i certainly notice it. did make me wonder for a while…
I think spelling is over-rated however. the “rules” for spelling are crap. get it close, and I will not whine.
What happened to our team?
by und3rtovv on Oct 25, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Along those same lines...
…it was VEP’s first time posting a main thread and the errors were there. I’m not saying I care a whole lot, and in fact chose to ignore it rather than point it out, but I did mention it to my wife. I knew if I said anything about my concern, it would turn into something along the lines of this sub thread, so I chose to let it go.
To me, it makes the reader question the validity of the author’s point. I guess my two cents is that I enjoy less typos and a general commitment to reduce said typos over a slippery-slope, nonchalant approach. I feel that we, as a community, should strive to be better than that. Particularly in main threads.
Having said that, I have been here long enough to know that VEP does good work, and his article was well researched and much appreciated. So thanks for the post.
by ajo080s on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
public vs. private
I’m probably going to regret chiming in, but here goes…
In response to this sub-thread (not just this one comment)… Perhaps this is an example when a private email to veb, rather than a comment visible to – and inviting comment from – the whole community would have been a gentler approach? It just strikes me that there are times when as a community we do need to publicly hash out what’s appropriate and times when a private communique would be more effective and appropriate. It’s something I know I’ve needed to learn.
by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, I got SBN'd or something
double post – sorry
by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my two cents is that I enjoy less typos
FEWER typos.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i noticed a couple
but it really didn’t slow things down for me…but i can see how that could be bothersome
Very nice job VEP, i figured you might be given a shot at doing main posts, and I’m happy i was right
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
public vs. private criticism
I’m probably going to regret chiming in, but here goes…
In response to this sub-thread (not just this one comment)… Perhaps this is an example when a private email to veb, rather than a comment visible to – and inviting comment from – the whole community would have been a gentler approach? It just strikes me that there are times when as a community we do need to publicly hash out what’s appropriate and times when a private communique would be more effective and appropriate. It’s something I know I’ve needed to learn.
by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typos
Is there really a debate on this? Is there anyone who doesn’t think that main posts should strive to be the best writing possible, and be as free from typos and errors of spelling and grammar as possible? Writers MUST have the ability to tolerate constructive criticism (and even non-constructive, unfortunately) if they are laying their work out for the public to view, and requests for proofing before posting seem like exactly the sorts of requests there are very reasonable.
The original post by TennCardFan was actually pretty polite, and he (she) was careful to add in compliments about the post itself. It’s not like it was an invective against VEP, and I doubt the commenter thinks any less of VEP as a person…it’s just a request for housekeeping before posting.
I noticed the typos, and thought what I usually think when reviewing technical work – “I hope the analyst spent more time proofing their numerical analysis than they did on their written communication of it.”
by siddfynch on Oct 25, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who fucking cares?
not cool dude. viva’s the man. if you’re going to rip on someone for spelling mistakes, don’t rip the main posters. rip assholes like gdm. that asscaptain can’t even spell his own name right half the time
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
f'n gmd
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind the comment
It wasn’t a rip, he was polite about it. Spelling and grammar is important, I guess, so I’ll make sure to correct my work in the future.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
spelling and grammar are important
:-D
by Evilfrog on Oct 25, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good catch
thought it was just an innocuous statement myself
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm glad you don't mind it
but i do. it’s been a pet peeve of mine for years now. i remember when people would get on LB for not using capitol letters. that just pisses me off. this isn’t a freaking collage exam, it’s a blog about a baseball team. get the stick out of your ass & stfu about the style of main posters writings.
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's capital sir.
/self appointed drunkard spelling Nazi that will misspell many things.
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by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, you & your cat need to take a break
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
f'n gdm
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"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
vp
very interesting stuff. overall the breakdown makes kalel look as ok as he was, but he wasn’t in 09. seems maybe his problems came from bad days when he wasn’t his average self (all of 09?). if he has his average 08 stuff it seems he will be ok next year. interesting to also compare 08 and 07. what spurred his better than average 08 performance?
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by sportsman on Oct 25, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do you mean loshe?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, Pitch f/x data is very limited in 08
I only have 800 total pitches thrown from Lohse then, and a lot of them have limited data.
However, I’ll give you the same outcome stats as above, just don’t make too many extrapolations from them.
Pitch ———-Count————-Zone———-Z-Swing————O-Swing—————-Whiff————GB%——-SlugCon
CH—————-142—————51%—————70%———————-38%———————30% ————48%————-0.412
CU——————56—————-71%—————35%———————13%———————-6%—————-45%————0.364
FA—————-353——————51%—————65%——————-19%———————-11% —————-28%———-0.662
SL/FC———-220—————-61%—————-66%——————-27% ———————25% —————45%————0.290
His fastball was really awful that year. He didn’t throw it in the zone often, got very few swings outside the zone, low whiffs, low groundballs and super high slugging. his changeup was also worse, but his slider was actually much better.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what you're saying is, Bubbles will be fine as long as he's not hurt?
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And VEP, Troy McCLure references are always appreciated!
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by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YES!
I was hoping someone would get that.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question
When FIP is figured out and is “normed” (for a lack of better terms), what have been the last few years’ factor that was added to the total? I read somewhere to add 3.2, but that makes numbers seem VERY high to me.
by stlfan on Oct 25, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3.2 is about right
This year, it is like 3.15.
The number isn’t that high, it doesn’t actually mean anything. It’s just meant to get the FIP components on an ERA scale.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
As always good stuff. I look forward to more of your pitch F/X stuff. You’re just all over the interweb now aren’t ya?
by stevesommer05 on Oct 25, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not so bad yourself
http://stlsportsscene.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/hitting-the-heat/
That was an awesome post.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're developing quite a Kyle Lohse catalog.
As someone who’s read ahead and seen the 2009 data, I’ll try not to spoil the ending to the story. Suffice to say, Kyle Lohse was among the better pitchers in the league in 2008, easily posted a career season, and could only be expected to regress in 2009. Without the PFX data, there would be no compelling reason to expect a rebound since his FIP was almost exactly in line with his career numbers.
Can we talk a bit more about Aroldis Chapman? What are our odds of signing him now, and why in the hell would anyone spend 40-60M on a 21 year old?
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by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do you really think anyone will spend 40-60M on him?
heck, all we heard for months leading up to the draft was that Strasburg was wanting 50M. I am just saying that you can’t always get what you want, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t want it.
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by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Strasburg 50M was just trying to change the conversation
And to some degree it worked, Prior’s record setting contract in the public perception was no longer the benchmark.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose I should have went with Dice-K
he got nowhere near what it was initially put out that he wanted. Of course 50M is nothing to sneeze at, but it is not even close to the 100M that was what we first heard that he wanted. I just see no way that Chapman actually gets 40M. I will eat my hat if he does.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
He’s not even close to worth that much when you consider injury and flameout risks. I say he gets 15 mil max.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$15M sounds about right for 6 years
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then i hope we sign him
but i think he gets 6/30 with 10 of that upfront, so long as there are no health issues.
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by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big fan of him anyway
His command sucks, my first thought of his stuff was “Matt Thornton.”
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
40-60M
doesn’t seem like that much to me
by _pistol_ on Oct 25, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man, all those little leaguers with the tiger stripes are growing up
I hope that doesn’t become a Thing. Not that it wouldn’t be awesome and, I dunno, Pictish, but baseball players aren’t the best at managing their facial hair. I see little upside for their makeup.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
endorsement deal with kellogg's?
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by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the kids think it's cool
it’s like a team/warrior thing, this eyeblack painting.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Nice job with the explanations, as well. Looking forward to the 2009 half of this.
Question about the comparison to the league averages: Perhaps his below-average pitches were used as show-mes to set up better ones? What proportion of the time did he throw each pitch, and was THAT different in 2008 vs. other years?
My thinking is that if, for example, his fastball stunk compared to league average but he was also throwing it a lot less, then some of the improvement/success would be due not just to an effective change-up, but also to more effective pitch selection. The scatterplot hints at some of the proportions (curves look infrequent compared to fastballs), but would be interesting to see the numbers.
In the last table, all of his pitches are compared to the league average…but it would seem more appropriate to compare each pitch to the league average for that type also.
Nice to see this f/x get added to the discussion. Seems like tons of potential for analysis here (pitch selection among C, for example). Nice work, VEP.
by siddfynch on Oct 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, good points
I said the percentages of each pitch type in the OP.
FA: 58%
CH: 11%
FC: 4%
CU: 7%
SL: 20%
So, his worst pitches seemed to be the ones he threw most often, which was kinda wierd; however, his slider wasn’t terrible, and his change and curve were really, really good.
For the league averages for each pitch on those stats, here is the data:
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch proportion
Ahh, yes, I missed that.
Maybe his “best” pitches, as defined by SLGcon and GB rate, would not have been so good if the batters had seen them more often? Or, at least Lohse and his catcher thought that way?
by siddfynch on Oct 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
If I have time later today, I’ll look at pitches by count, and the most common pitch sequences to see if it supports your theory.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Smoltz for closer!
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Other questions/comments
1) Is there a way to draw the strike zone (roughly) on the main scatterplot graph? It would be interesting to know where things like a -5 break lie relative to the plate.
2) Interesting to see how the visual on the curveballs compares to the results. They induce relatively few strikes (swinging or called), but high GB rates and low SLG. Their placement (low and away, probably a lot out of zone) would seem an easy explanation for this.
3) The FBs, by comparison, also have relatively low K numbers, but much worse results. Is this the case of catching the strike zone more often, or is it the difference between pitches that lie inside vs outside, high vs low. What do the numbers look like when comparing FB SLGcon results from LH batters (the pitch is outside to them) vs RH batters (inside to them)?
by siddfynch on Oct 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Answers, sorta
1) I’m not sure what you mean by this, can you elaborate please?
2) I assume you are talking about the slider, not the curve right? Yeah, if you don’t go inside on hitters, they won’t be able
3) Here are the numbers split up by batter handedness:
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow up
1) What I mean is that the break (5, 10, 15) is useful in relative terms. But where does it lie in absolute? Can the rough dimensions of the strike zone be superimposed on the main scatterplot? I assume -15 lies outside of it, but what about -10?
2) Hmm, I THOUGHT I was talking about the curve. Little gold circles, low and away from CHBs, below-average Z-swing, O-swing, and Whiff %, but better than average results?
by siddfynch on Oct 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2)
I think you may be mis-interpreting the graph. That shows only movement, not location, so while the curveballs tend to break away, they still cross the plate at various locations. Ditto with the fastballs.
I posted the location data for each pitch on the second table.
For number 1), 15 inches is about the maximum that any pitcher will have in terms of “rise”. Of course, it still doesn’t rise, just in comparison to a pitch without spin.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2)
Yeah, understand that the movement is scaled to some point (a pitch with no spin), but I was wondering whether it can also be referenced to the strike zone in some way. Maybe this is more a Q for R&D than for here.
If it could, it would eliminate the need for the second table (which I had hoped would appear as soon as I saw the main scatterplot).
by siddfynch on Oct 25, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aah, I see
I’m not sure how I would go about doing that though.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ot... old threads
I was actually rereading this awesome game, but then I came upon this thread. Makes you wonder, sometimes.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or Tudor's great idea:
I want to pitch a "Quantum Leap"-type show where Dan leaps to different historical events and provides his valuable commentary.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
sooner said thurston was our second best hitter
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by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple months early...
carp grand slam
i’m calling it…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 4, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up actions 0 recs
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my gob
there were some awesome predictions. and then there were others….
like someone said Glaus would never wear a Cards uniform again.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel bad, though
there were calls for a VEB glossary back in April. I didn’t get on it till August.
of course, all the good stuff happened in July.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanna know who the fuck ed hardy is
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by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Ed_Hardy
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, that was so not worth the wondering
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by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well now you know.
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by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
LaRue’s
stache is gone!
WE"RE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+1
june 11 2009
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a tom s. special
i have this vision of tony tying brendan’s bat to his wrist before each at bat,
like a 2nd grader with his mittens.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has little to do with this post in particular
and more with Pitch F/X in general.
The movement scatter plots have been vogue from the get go; I suspect because they’re easy to generate. The problem I have with them is that they offer nothing informative in relation to performance data. Until you start telling me which of Lohse’s sliders are more effective (0 lateral movement or 5 lateral movement), I don’t understand the point. These plots aren’t any better than knowing just the percentages of pitch types.
Finding a way to indicate what part of the sliders are most effective and his overall scatter plot is what interests me.
The whiff percentage is great — you’ve got a baseline (league average) and the individual player’s performance by pitch type. That’s good stuff.
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by azruavatar on Oct 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I posted it above
http://www.codepaste.net/abfsag
To me, the pitch scatter plots are less about performance data and more about visualizations. You can see how his pitches interact with eachother and the relative movement of each. I guess, it isn’t very important, but next week we’ll be comparing this to 09, so we can see the differences in his stuff.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he meant which types of pitches get hit.
I believe he meant whether the changeups (for example) are more effective when they have more or less horizontal (or vertical) movement and to what degree. Are the sliders toward the center of the graph least effective? etc.
If that is what he meant, then I wholeheartedly agree. The movement graphs are fun to look at, and paint a bit of a picture as you say, but I think a way to tell which pitches (specifically, not just the types) were crushed and which were whiffed on would be more helpful (if they exist, or are possible to find).
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 25, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most interesting to me is the scatter itself
in part the scatter by pitch type is a self fulfilling prophecy since they don’t ask the pitcher what he was throwing. they do show, however, how consistent the movement was on each type of pitch and therefore his control. if there is a lot of scatter, then likely he has poor command of that pitch. am i on track with this interpretation?
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by sportsman on Oct 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
A wide range of movement isn’t necessarily a bad thing; however, it may mean that the pitcher actually has less command. I’ll have to look into that.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
The issue of precision vs. accuracy comes up here, I think.
Mariano Rivera supposedly has wicked movement on his pitches, but with excellent command. It may be that his pitch scatterplot would show great movement, but tight clustering. Someone with a lot of movement put poorer control of that movement (insert favorite player who never lived up to promise here) might have the same movement range, but wider clustering.
by siddfynch on Oct 25, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be fun to look at
wakefield. Does Pitch f/x track knuckleballers?
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by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah
I’d post it, but it litterally just looks like a giant blog of dots, with almost no clear pattern. The only thing you can see is a cluster of fastballs, but everything else is just crap.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
abstract art
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
millionaire crap though
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by sportsman on Oct 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
The movement chart is for my benefit. It makes it easier for me to see clusters in his pitches, so I can better classify them.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my first thought is:
Can pitch f/x properly identify which pitches kyle is tipping and how?
Seriously, well done. Once I get a chance to look at this on a computer and not a blackberry, I may have more thoughts.
Interesting that kyle’s change is so successful.
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by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
look forward
to pitch-sequence data: is the changeup more effective following a fastball, curveball, etc. and tied-in with count data: is it more/less effective following a fastball that made the count 0-1 as opposed to a fastball that made the count 2-0. I presume Duncan’s staff breaks it down in such detail and this is factored into the game plans (with opposing hitters strengths/weaknesses to find the overlap).
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I bet
The problem is once you get into a lot of detail (changeup following a fastball for a strike on a 1-1 count), the sample size gets way to small and you can’t make any meaningful conclusions just using the data.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if this has been mentioned
but this got a little love from MLBTR.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitch f/x primer
Before today I hadn’t really taken the time to work out what Pitch f/x graphs were saying. I found this explanation to be pretty helpful.
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by The Continental on Oct 25, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT:
someone give me something to plug into Pandora.
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"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
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by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ben folds, daft punk, the doors
depending on your mood
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
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by slu on Oct 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks all...I've been meaning to listen to Folds
for a while now and keep spacing it…Doors are already there.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you just want to listen to whole albums check out grooveshark
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.....thats a great link
you win the internet today.
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"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling you and I would get along great
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm currently listening to Hellogoodbye.
I’ve been listening to Jack’s Mannequin.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Advantage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zsPMNj45H0
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you guys feel about the
possible return of TLR and Mark McGwire being our new hitting coach?
I, for one, don’t know about the decision to bring TLR back. I’m not happy, but I’m not mad about it. I’d like to see the organization go in a new direction, but I can put up with Tony for another year. As for Big Mac, I’m not happy about that. I’m happy that McRae most likely won’t be with the team in 2010, but I just don’t know if Big Mac will fit. I lost my respect for him after the steroid hearings and how he refused to talk about his past. I’d honestly rather see Larry Walker at the spot.
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you heard anything
about Big Mac other than a non-linked mention above? So far McGwire hasn’t even went to Spring Training. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but it’s just as plausible that we won’t have a HC, and Albert will just do it. Pure Speculation.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert for hitting coach!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all actuality I vote for Carp.
I can hear the side session now…..“Hit the ball or I will luggage your ass.”
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, Carp has to be pitching coach
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't you tell Carp what he has to be
no sir, not you. don’t you dare tell Carp what he has to be
Carp tells us what we have to be, and we’ll do it or else
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The luggage is coming for Yadi?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could be coming for us all if we don't do what were told
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he already is the pitching coach
he would just get compensated
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel the same about walker
but the walk rate of big mac’s would be great to instill in our team.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He walked
because everyone was scared of him. Having Mac as hitting coach will not increase Thursty’s walk rate. Suck is suck.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Suck is suck until the suck runs out and all you’re left with is suck.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 25, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With this many sucks, there has to be a
“That’s what she said” in there somewhere.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I've been harping about Walker for
about the last four months, but Larry’s actually said (I’ll have to search for a link) I couldn’t teach hitting. Makes me said, as I used to personally refer to him as…"Mr. Larry Walker; Professional Hitter.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have just one thing to say about Big F'in Mac has hitting coach
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!®
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently you just got to the part of this thread
where your head explodes.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my brain shut down after all the graphs & data viva talked about
i don’t know how i’m still able to type, i really don’t
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry brain mcrae(hal's son) said himself that his dad's out!
and MCGWIRE"S in
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it's official
TLR has signed a multi-year extension and McRae has been fired. Leading candidate for HC is Mark McGwire. All of this according to MLB Trade Rumors.
Sadly, users on MLBTR have already began trashing McGwire about steroids – and the connection is why I do NOT want Big Mac as our new guy.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that and if pujols has career highs in anything next year it will be due to a "little help"
which would make me sick (bleh)
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
If McGwire were the next hitting coach, people would be all over the Cards that they’re using ’roids.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let em.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the offense is good enough that people think they're on steroids
I’ll be happy.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 25, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+a brazillion.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike, say, Walker,
Mac has continued his baseball involvement, and has coached various hitters over the last few offseasons. I honestly couldn’t care less about steroid use, and McGwire’s boneheaded denial are the worst mistake he’s made.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should have gone all andy pettitte back then
now it’s sort of like AROD’s deal(yeah I’m confessing since everyone basically already knows I did it.)
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That steroid hearing was just moronic,
but McGwire definitely didn’t do himself any favors with his failure of an apology/accounting, but like I said, that’s his biggest mistake. If he can do a better job than McRae (IMHO, he can), then I’d love to have him.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be keeping an eye on the amount of talk and the amount of results
hopefully zero talk and lots of results.
if it starts tipping in the other direction, it’s going to be a rocky ride
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
zero talk is being unrealistic
I would bet real, not internet money, that if McGwire is hired, we will have the maximum amount of games on Fox and WWL so they can bring this up as often as possible.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if anyone thinks the wwl & fox wouldn't do that
plus everyone hack reporter in the world writing crap about him they are sadly mistaken. they are just dying for a chance to rip into him. it’s kind of why i wish he wouldn’t do it for another ten years so the people that have it out for him are out of the biz & by then no one will care.
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Mark.....
I see you have Yadi driving the ball better this year, exactly what were you injecting yourself with?
Typical interview?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like the first presser in New York
when they get on him for our 3-HR game against the Mets and he loses his shit and wham!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
this is why many hate the press
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RiverRat
You’re hired!
- the folks from Fox
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will I be paid in real money
or just this internet money nonsense?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 packages
1. real money/no interns
2. less real money/interns
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3. gdm is the intern
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was seriously considering the interns.
/so said Steve Phillips
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's got to keep his mouth shut.
he just has to.
I mean, really, that’s what started this whole thing, but if he wants to get his statue out of storage, he’d better say less than nothing. under the radar. like less than Ryan Ludwick invisible.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the mess Clemons got himself in
When confronted by the Feds, take the 5th. Don’t lie and don’t confess. I don’t blame him, keepinghis mouth shut was the smartest thing he ever did.
Clemons meanwhile threw his trainer and his wife under the bus and now is up to his eyeballs in legal issues.
Just win
by The Duke on Oct 25, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
take a screenshot, next time
http://twitter.com/kcsluggers/status/5154226416
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Good" may be an overstatement
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
twitter fixed the bug to recover deleted tweets yesterday
damn
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here
it’s a RT of the tweet
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was just about to post the same thing
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny Acta to Indians
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/5152925077
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I for one am happy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did all of the baseball world
just explode at the same time?
/not in reaction of Acta but all of these last 5 minutes of posts.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I for one wised up and just started checking twitters.
that’s been around for an hour.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I thought about posting it but i figured no one here would care. It was already on LGT.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball matters, young lady
it clears up the possible suitors to the Astros gig.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acta was already a cool guy.
Hopefully he will be a better manager in his second job.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope that the Indians are at least a little better than the Nats.
That may be wishful thinking though.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do the nats have grady sizemore? i don't think so
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God for that.
I don’t know how I’d live. He better be okay next season or there will be many tears falling from my eyes.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no crying in baseball
if you must cry, switch on some handegg & weep for our society’s downfall
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grady is worth tears.
I have cried many time while watching baseball.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
both teams have very good all start caliber players
Zimmerman and Grady are fantastic but not much after that unless you consider Haftner and Dunn that good. But the MI of Cleveland’s intrigues me enough to give them the better team award.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*all star
I guess I should proof read.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes it's just not enough
and cgirly, i guess women get a pass on the crying. although the talkies tell us otherwise
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember,
we now cut and stab for spelling and grammer errors.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you grammar nazis are all the same
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm SO excited about the next few years.
There’s a Victor clone and some awesome pitchers.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who are these pitchers?
aside from YP and JT
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's talking about the Injuns again
methinks.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I'm a drunk
dumbass, because so are you.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged!
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jameson, Bailey's & coffee
is a great but frightening way to start your Sunday.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that's scary, i don't wanna be unafraid
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say...
and drunk at 5 on a Sunday? We can’t even buy alcohol on Sundays here.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we couldn't either till a couple years ago
and now it’s still for only like ten hours & many spots you still can’t.
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5??????
it’s only 3 here.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my fault you aren't in the coolest time zone ever.
Kidding. I hate the eastern time zone. Everything goes so late.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Eastern time too
Sports are on sooo late.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Masterson.
He’s been okay, I wanted better but maybe next year. We got other ones from the BoSox (Hagadone and someone else’ I’ll look up his name). And Carrasco I think has the potential to be very good. There are some other ones, Hector Rodon is supposed to be very good. I’d have to go look at the minor league stuff.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I guess i forgot about Knapp
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes him.
Bryan price is the other guy from the BoSox. I don’t know how good he is supposed to be. I think pretty good but he’s still young.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, that's funny
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad you could strangle bucholz away from Boston
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still mad about that.
I think Shap said he didn’t particularly want him though. I did.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if you got him
Boston would somehow use their over-hyped prospects and give you so much less after that.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that's dumb, who wouldn't want bucholz?
i didn’t hear anything about that. of course that’s not too surprising considering no one around here really follows baseball.
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant he liked other people better
and he couldn’t get those and Bucholz.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's still dumb
if he could have gotten burcholz, he should have
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Lou Marson was pretty good this year at catcher filling in.
So he can tide us over until Santana’s ready. Plus he isn’t particularly hard on the eyes so I’m happy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never saw marson/donald
as any better than andersen/barden. Personally, thought barden outplayed donald at Olympics.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine.
We don’t really need amazing players there. We have them already. Cabrera and Valbuena appear to have the middle infield nailed down and Santana is the catcher of the future.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if you must cry in handegg
just watch the Rams.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care enough about them to cry.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's funny.
I hope their losing continues so I can enjoy the mental anguish it causes the die-hard Rams fans at my work.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 25, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so he goes from one bad team to another one
well hopefully he can at least get enough time to make a difference
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Indians have a lot of young talent coming up through the minors.
Next year may still be rough but barring anymore injuries to key players and some weird complication from surgery Grady they should be better within the next couple of years. It’s not like the AL Central is that great anyway.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say
if your not in contention next year go for a low draft pick at least.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We get one this year.
Party!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK....
I’ll be the first to say I am officially intrigued at the prospect of Big Mac as hitting coach. While I think he’s more than qualified, what’s the chance that this is a giant media related move? I can hear the WWL now. This will be bigger than Brett Favre for atleast a minute.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
intriiiiguiinngggg.
I predict no one will talk to the media next year except Brendan Ryan, who hasn’t figured out that his is always the short straw.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby would
but the media will avoid him because he’s awkward to talk to and he doesn’t actually say much when he does.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby seems to like talking to Shannon
they’re on the same level…..?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's frightenng.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby cracked a smile twice that wasn't a walk-off homerun
- talking to Shannon
- spontaneously talking about DeRosa
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just get a really down to earth vibe from Shannon and Colby.
I bet it helps. DeRo seems pretty laid back too so who knows.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's on the WWL ticker, yep.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I think he’ll make a good hitting coach. Maybe he could teach our team to take a fucking pitch once an awhile.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 25, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't swing?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
repost
Luddy: It’s easy, Ank. Just don’t swing.
Dick: Don’t swing?
Luddy: Don’t swing.
Dick: Hmmm.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Twas really one of
my fave posts of the season.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will get around to the One Act post, but I'm working on something else
it makes it harder when the main posters also write literary masterpieces
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you bringing this back up
because you think Mark could make Ank more patient, and that we should re-sign Ank because of this?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH GOB
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wouldn't be shocked.
I do still have a soft spot way deep down inside for the day that Dick plays the LOOGY/RF LRL substitution. That would be the day I quit watching baseball.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are an evil, evil matty
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6ly, he's giving evilfrong a run for his money with that one
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now all we need is have ricky henderson as our first base coach and we got ourself a team!!
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But who would give everyone back rubs if McKay is gone?
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was hoping they would keep McKay as a bench coach
you never know, what if Skip’s feet need a rubbin’
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh come on no reaction
fine let me at least point out that Henderson really improved reyes that year.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
daryl jones
OPSing at .917 and has 9 walkis in 43 PA in the Arizona Fall League…low BA, but thats ok by me if he is taking his walks…also stolen 6 bases in 7 attempts
Rest of the cardinal prospects not playing well, but its good to see DJ Tools get over his leg injuries and show good speed and a little pop
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what about gorgen?(unless something changed)
it amazes me how he’s over looked.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well his avg. against is .417
and his ERA is above 5….not great, but certainly our best pitcher in the AFL
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so something did change since the last i checked
well the guy is going through the system like former great J todd.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his last two appearances have been bad
first two were really good
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember the AFL is ridiculously
Hitter-friendly.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What time's the rainout?
I refuse to watch handegg.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Late. I think 8 something eastern.
8:20 eastern.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are there any Arizona games on?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball, that is.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be cool
if my EI package carried AFL, and Domican games…..I would give them extra money to give me baseball year round.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not AFL basball
but I have actually seen winter league games on my cable company’s local channel the last couple of seasons
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB network is playing game 5 of the 1985 NLCS
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fernando Valenzuela is coming up to bat!
They’re gonna keep him in this game!
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(play-by-play in my head)
"She gone! Airplane time! Airplane Time!! AIRPLANE TIME." Boog
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
by andi_k on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
handegg is so boring
they play a game on sunday and then they have guys talk about the game for six days on espn until they play again.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our handegg game this week was FAR from boring.
It was heart attack inducing exciting.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
belated congrats.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I screamed.
Jumped up and down and screamed. My friend screamed for like ten minutes. Her dad went outside and did laps around the house. People were running around campus doing the cadence count. Craziness.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for College BB to start.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either I'm so excited!
We play Illinois here this year and I am going. I want front row!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Zag's start a H&H with the Illini this year.
I think the Zags have officially, once again scheduled the toughest OOC schedule. Mich St., Illini, WF, Duke, Oklahoma, and the Maui tournament. It will be a fun year.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gonzaga?
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish people were more bball oriented down here.
I go crazy during basketball season and I feel all alone.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its second to baseball imo
and sometimes surpasses it. definitely the best fall/winter sport
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I skip handegg,
and CBB brings me to Spring Training.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it also gives you several great games a week
while mizzou is my team i could watch any two teams play so long as they play at a high level
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely yes.
I have about ten teams that I like so I usually have a lot of options.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
college BB makes great background noise for when your trying to read VEB
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing i dislike about college bb is dicky v
everything else is great
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its more like the dicky v-mike patrick combo
just too much between the two. no one can deny what vitale has done for the game though.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
it usually works out perfectly.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no shit, who wants to watch the bungals v bears & pets v raiders?
the no fun league blows
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sporting News Relievers of the Year
Mariano Rivera and Ryan Franklin
(TSN still exists, huh.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know someone who works there.
When I was going to be a sports journalist I was going to ask him about internships.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically TSN gives an award to anyone who does good in Cardinals red
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's a problem?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin sucks, duh.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sort of
it diminishes the award that they are giving because of their bias towards us.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll their the only ones, so i don't see a problem with it
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With an honest look at the regular
season though, his numbers put him in the top, thus making an arbitrary award not that big of a deal
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Heath Bell express might've been better in 09'
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he plays on the coast
and this is flyover country bias. That’s where all the press is nowadays.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
confirmation on McGwire
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/10/25/mark-mcgwire-cardinals-new-hitting-coach/
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the story has even made the mothership
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muskat is the cubbie beat writer
time stamp says mothership is before the fanhouse source
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is basically just a rehashing of the Olney story
but making it to MLB.com is something in my book. not a lot, but something.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you buy a burger with it?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly fries, no burger
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are they curly fries?
do we anybody left for arb, btw?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would destroy some curly fries right now
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whose turn is it to go to arby's
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know, but zoom zoom went last time & didn't get anyone anything
f’in zoom zoom
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is great news.
I also got confirmation from a friend of a friend who works for the Cardinals. Interesting that the twitter thread has been deleted, though…
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be pissed to find out
about my firing through twitter.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
but McRae must have already known, if his son was tweeting it. if not, then that’s even more effed up.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know,
but official announcements and all.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's nuts....never would've guessed that would happen
i guess big mac is finally ready to face the media and repair his image.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could be a magnificent trainwreck
stay tuned
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
surely he wouldn't agree to this without first thinking of the firestorm sure to come his way
he has to have a plan
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so all ballplayers are media-savvy?
yuh huh.
it’s like saying all ballplayers go out there with a gameplan for hitting. ….heyoooooooo.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think McGwire might be one of the savvy ones
through all this mess, he still hasn’t had any charges brought against him. I agree with the commentor above, just keep your mouth shut as much as possible.
Of course after all this it wouldn’t surprise me if mark ended up doing those in-game interviews all season long.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but he's paid for it in pies
and in st. louis, the pies are what matters
oh good, you agree with me. high five!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not here to talk about the past.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
introductory news conference
“I am not here to talk about the past. Hal McRae is a fine man, but the organization felt that moving forward…”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more inclined to say
that the McGwire-as-hitting-coach experiment would be more of a trainwreck. I just can’t see that being a good thing. He’s going to get abused by the media because of his past, and I sure don’t want him to be the new guy. I’d much rather take a guy like Larry Walker.
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry doesn't want the job.
We must come to accept this.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like Thurston on the team next year.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I wrong though?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it, Tony
just because they have a cool shoulder-bump with you doesn’t mean you should hire them!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially if his past is rather problematic!
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not here to talk about the past!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/shoots self in foot
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure about that?
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have to wonder if hiring McGwire increases chances of #stlcardinals keeping Holliday. The two worked together this past offseason
from jorge arangure
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see above
no one pays attn to the details……
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
arangure retweeted me.....
having an espn employee retweet me=life complete
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arangure tweeted
this: “Met someone who had been at a recent charity event where McGwire told people he was not interested in coaching. Wonder what changed”.
I am also wondering. Was it the opportunity, or was it just to clean up his image?
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
notice the photo...
it wasn’t this:
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so it begins
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was so happy back then
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting read
I don’t know how to interpret it though. Is it fair to say he is a fastball/change pitcher and he mixes in the slider to keep people off balance? Is 20% sliders a large percentage of sliders for a ML pitcher?
Just win
by The Duke on Oct 25, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me sir,
on topic posts this late in the day screw with us drunks.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, we just signed The Duke
don’t DFA him now!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just introducing
him to the luggage room.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
careful in there
dude’s got grit – offered to travel by Greyhound
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the luggage compartment?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20% is around average for a second pitch for most pitchers.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see that SBN
can SBN us in the offseason as well.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least it's consistent.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i blame barrett farva, he must have done something
f’in farva
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert, Carp, that Zack kid and that Joe guy
rack up some awards
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091024&content_id=7537958&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl&partnerId=rss_stl
only one of them is Dreamy, I hear.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd argue that two of them are dreamy
One of them is daydreaming, and one of them is a terrifying force of smoldering hate and anger (and pitching).
by mojowo11 on Oct 25, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got the motherfuckers out skip
i got the motherfuckers out
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Fucking rec'd
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can see in his eyes
how tony feels about carp; “If you were a doggie I’d adopt you out of all of ’em, ya big galoot.”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
force of nature
from momup
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes son, it's moar than OK to laugh at the motherfukers daddy destroyed
moar than OK
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
and...rec'd!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how ironic
no one else from that list is alive anymore
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
ladies and gentlemen...gdm is on a mother fuckin' roll
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classic gem after classic gem
HOW DO YOU DO IT!?
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please bring us pocky
please
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for that picture.
It’s nice to see the man can look just as intimidating (and a few other things) in a suit.
by peach concrete on Oct 25, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
posting the family pics is kinda creepy
esp. since on google search this will come up with “motherfucker” or however one spells it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only with the safe search off
and isn’t Carp creepy anyway?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, i mean
a search for the picture will turn up the word
wait, maybe I missed something ….what use is the internet with safe search on??? you’ve blown my mind
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bitch did you just call me creepy?
where’s my luggage?
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
dude, I *posted* that pic.
checking inside the house now………..
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stay out of the basement
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I *am* in the basement!
CREEPY
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Via a Trey Wingo tweet
“per ESPN’S Kelly Naqi.. it’s official. Mark Mcgwire will be cardinals hitting coach in 2010”
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
doesn't she cover collage handegg?
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kelly naqi, isn't she the woman who works the desk on saturday afternoons?
if so, why would she have any knowledge about this?
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe she subscribes
to brian mcrae’s tweets?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Wendi Nix
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they all look the same to me
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
White women?
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 25, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/ resists urge to post Blazing Saddles pic.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh Trey Wingo
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!
although I’m already preparing myself for the throngs of self-important losers coming forth to spew their dripping sanctimony about this. Ugh… give mediocre people something to get self-righteous about and then sit back and see how tedious and predictable humanity is. The first time I hear about him "bringing shame to the game’ — as if that really means something or is something anyone could really do — I’m going to vomit.
by mattyp on Oct 25, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BBTN is "covering" the LaRussa thing
got all the old Big Mac footage out of storage too
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who is Steve Shoemaker?
oh. my. god. GAMMONS what is your DAMAGE
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, I blacked out with rage. no more Y2 coverage after that.
something about Mac being happy or something.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will be funny
when Mac comes back and says…Fuck you….no comment. Do you want to talk about hitting, if not….pound sand.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would so prefer that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has plenty of
presser tips from TLR.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm....brain aneurysm?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 25, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
must be, he's just rambling on & on & didn't really say anything important
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like usual?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a BBTN problem
not specific to Peter Gammons.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he gets all the Red Sox names right.
hence my rage.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eastern Seaboard Programming Network
Best moment I've ever seen at a game in person
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 25, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are these Red Saux
you speak of? New expansion team?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when i get my hands on them, they are dead i tells ya
dead
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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too funny....
McGwire: If he throws you something offspeed, like a curveball, don’t be fooled. Just hit it for a dinger.
McGwire: Walks are good too. If the pitcher tries to get you to chase something out of the zone, don’t swing at it.
Don’t swing?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since this is offseason conjecture time....
What if Dewitt is about to blowup the payroll. “We will aggressively pursue Holliday”, “We want to lock up Pujols long term”….Mo is seeing the Cuban tomorrow. Big Mac is the hitting coach. What if the payroll is going to 120 M? Is it plausible, or am I just drunk?
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I suppose so.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.
A payroll of 120 M means this will be an exciting off season.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a had a funny feeling
since the Holliday deal and all of DeWitts interviews since then that he is aiming to push the payroll up this season. I figured around 110M, but I like your idea better. I still can’t figure out how people think he is cheap.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost like an overflow, but not really
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fail
Maybe this is almost like an overflow
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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