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St. Louis Cardinals shortstop Brendan Ryan watches a caterpillar during the fourth inning in Game 3 of the National League division baseball series Saturday, Oct. 10, 2009, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)

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St. Louis Cardinals shortstop Brendan Ryan watches a caterpillar during the fourth inning in Game 3 of the National League division baseball series Saturday, Oct. 10, 2009, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)

As you may have guessed from the position in which this post appears, I will be filling in on Saturdays to take part of the role that chuckb played. I was very honored to be considered for the role, and even more surprised. I'm not the sabermagician that chuckb is, and i probably don't have the baseball smarts that many posters do. I certainly have never played the game (beyond a grade school level) and, if that disturbs you, I guess you should probably just skip down to the comments area.

I want to start out by recognizing the contributions of chuckb (nee houstoncardinal). Chuck has a long history of putting together very strong articles, showing a thorough understanding of the game and a dedication to backing up his opinions with statistical analysis. If I can be a quarter as infomative as chuck, I will be very happy.

I also officially assume the role of grumpy old mod for the board since (I think?) I am the only one on the wrong side of thirty. Or at least the side closer to Social Security. So, get off my lawn!

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In the doldrums of May and June, the popular epithet for the Cardinals was "Albert and the seven dwarves." The name fit because Albert was in the throes of one of the best half-seasons (I am tempted to write "the best half-season, but then I recall the consistency of Albert's ridiculousness and must write "one of the best") and the remainder of the team ranged anywhere from at or slightly above league average on offense (rasmus, skippy, yadi) to well below (ryan, the two-headed third baseman of mediocrity, slumpwick, the two-headed leftfielder of mediocrity, kaheel, and Tyler Robinstav - a melange of replacement value rookies).

The team improved offensively down the stretch - mostly through addition (holliday, lugo), subtraction (duncan), and regression to a norm (ludwick). Of course, the titular tongue-in-cheek epithet was knowingly one-dimensional; it omitted the substantial defensive contributions in key roles: shortstop, catcher, centerfield.

But, not being prone to lament a rough end to the season, let the 2009 funeral meats coldly furnish forth the marriage table for 2010. There's a lot to like about this team for next season and beyond.

The $100M+ elephant in the room rhymes with "fat collie play." Whether he signs or not probably depends a great deal on two things: how much he wants to stay in St. Louis and whether dewitt wants to increase the budget to do so. Even a discounted holliday would really limit a low-$90M cardinal team. A full-price holliday could be tolerable on a budget that goes well beyond $100M. The fans did their part this year, cresting the 3M attendance mark, even in a very tough economic year. As the economy heals, the prognosis for 2010 attendance shouldn't be worse than 2009, and probably better.

Planning for a vacancy to arise in the LF market in St. Louis is not a pessimistic step. If we are not going to build a team around two players probably worth 12-14 WAR between them for next year, let's think about a different tack: build a team of albert pujols and a field of league average (or better) players, with the depth and flexibility to make sure we don't end up with replacement-level voids on the field. The perennial cry is for a "big bat," a masher, an all-star. and, don't get me wrong, i like all-stars. but holliday is really the only legit all-star option we're looking at. rather than blow our wad on one all-star (especially if he's not so all-starry), think about depth and flexibility.

Our net team position player WAR this year was 18.9 -- basically middle of the road (only the yankees and the rays broke 30 WAR). Seven position players each worth 2 WAR and a 7-8 WAR first baseman would get us past this year's mark.  Of course, achieving that number also means avoiding negative WAR; the vacuums of value (primary suspects - K. Greene, N. Stavinoha, chris duncan).

Last year, we had a few great peformers and some uninspiring showings. Only five players produced 2 WAR or better for the cardinals. Guess who ranks 8th for the team in WAR?

Star-divide


First base
Albert Pujols (8.4 WAR in 09)
The cornerstone. The Mang has been stellar since he sprang, fully formed, out of Mark McGwire's skull in 2001. No reason not to expect a 7+ WAR performance here . . . Except . . .

Depth
Should the unspeakable happen, the cards could look at mark "I make nick johnson look durable" hamilton. Also, the intertubes are abuzz with talk of some Free Allen Craig character. There's nobody who will play like the Mang, obvs.

Catcher
Yadier Molina
(3.4 WAR)
Molina was the second most valuable position player last year, even though WAR does not account for catcher defense, which I hear he's pretty good at. I have no reason not to think he's less than a 2.5-3 WAR player next year.

Depth
Again, an ugly proposition. Larue is not a long-term backup, even if re-signed. He does quite well as a "spell yadi once every five-to-seven days" guy. Odds are pags jr. or bryan anderson gets a long look should yadi hit the dl. Expecting more than replacement value there is wishful thinking, though the club has sent anderson to the AFL for winter work. See your local futureredbirds.net for AFL updates. [In an unrelated AFL story, the danup-mancrush curse strikes again. Derrek Goold tweets that Gary Daley gave up seven runs in one-third an inning for Surprise.]

Shortstop
Brendan Ryan (3.2 WAR)
Our months-long national nightmare was over when ryan took on the ss role this spring. His defense will not likely slump next year, but his bat could. I think he'll be a 2+ WAR player with his D, but doesn't walk enough to maintain value that doesn't rise and fall with his BABIP. Watch for falling wOBA next eleven months.

Depth
They call him Hoolio. Truth is his play was never that bad, theo epstein just couldn't take the way Lugo looked at him. Lugo's defense has become apallingly bad, eating up his decent offensive value. I have to think that julio: brendan:: larue: molina. Not too awful to make a spot start, but should brendan hit the DL, we should see tyler greene brought up. Tyler was a bit of an enigma this year. He hit very well at memphis, poorly at the ML level. UZR hated his defense, which was puzzling. I'm willing to chalk it up to SSS, but will eye it nervously next year.

 

Left field
Matt "Beltre'd" Holliday (2.8 WAR)
It's somewhat depressing that the fourth-most valuable cardinal only spent two months with the team. He's likely to be a 5-6 WAR player next year. He's already been discussed ad nauseam by mid-October, so that's all I've got to say about him. I do want to say something about a frequently discussed alternative. Please just say no to jason bay. While he might well be better than average, he is a prime candidate to be overpaid this offseason. He amassed over three WAR last year, his offensive value sapped by horrendous defense. His high-value MVP days are gone. Let another team tie themselves down to him and give up a first round pick.

Depth
One reason why I am so appalled by the Bay talk is that we have a couple of internal candidates who could be at least average - allen craig or (if healthy) joe mather. Anecdotal evidence says craig is decent in left, and mather was once a very decent defender (caution -- mather had a -9 TZR rating in his short time in RF in 2009). Jon Jay may get a look as LH depth/defensive substitute. Tyler Henley and DJ Tools are not far off - another reason not to tie the team down to a long contract for a just okay LF.

Center Field
Colby Rasmus AKA cody ramos AKA corky ramirez AKA boromir
velazquez (2.3 WAR)
Razzle dazzle made the bigs and got a fair amount of playing time. His defense was all that was promised and his hitting . . . showed promise. Seriously, work out a little, bulk up, and try to find a good diet in the offseason, cody. i easily expect improvement next year. With a full season in center, we'd be looking at a 3 WAR player even with no offensive improvement.

Depth
Ugh. Um, jon jay, shane robinson. . . . Ludwick could cover CF in a pinch. Mather if healthy wouldn't be a disaster. Skippy is not a CF. Our depth here leaves something to be desired. A RH option who could face LHP in lieu of corey rundell would be a nice bonus.

Right Field
Ryan Ludwick (1.7 WAR)
Luddy had maybe the most perplexing season (unpleasant surprise division) of anyone. His season makes me feel like there's a certain element of futility to these crystal ball sessions. Hard to project and injury prone, I would expect him to rebound, but i say it with trepidation.

Depth
In the AAA championship game, brian barden played RF. Does that tell you what our RF depth is? Or what kind of confidence we have in craig's arm or jay's arm? Henley is our only real RF prospect - a decent one, but he's yet to even play a game for memphis. Another area of serious depth concern.

Second Base
Skip Schumaker (1.2 WAR)
Skippy adapted as well as could be expected, and better than I expected. The good news is that his defensive statistics match up with popular perception - appalling early in the season and close to average later on. The outlook for skippy is good - if he defends like he did at the end of the season he'd gain a full win in value over the course of 2010, which would make him average. Luckily, his offense has been consistent, so we can readily look for improvement. Skippy's dedication and hard work are admirable. I am accepting gloating letters, skip.

Depth
Hoolio is skippy's primary backup/platoon partner. To all accounts lugo's 2b defense is awful. His offense was quite good, but I doubt he turns in more than a one win performance in a platoon/utility role. Jarrett Hoffpauir seems to be english for julio lugo; terrible glove and good bat that only marginally offsets the other. Plus lugo brings the crazy eyes. daniel descalso is a good prospect but could not make his springfield success translate to memphis in a short aaa stint. He's also left-handed and won't be a platoon partner to skippy. We'll likely see him in 2011 barring more disappointment.

Third base
If you guessed that brian barden was the eighth most valuable player for the cards (a statisically insignificant fraction of a run better than derosa), you win. Third base in 2009 was a vast cauldron of suck where joe thurston reigned supreme at replacement value until the arrival of mark derosa and his amazing wrist that goes pop. That was the only thing going pop at third base after may day. Third base is clearly a spot for great improvement. Derosa as the 3b candidate awakens a great sense of "meh" in me. His two main virtues are a) playing subprime defense at several positions and b) hitting for some power. The former is likely to get more subprime from age. The latter could be hampered by his wrist injury.

The club shows no sign of interest in troy glaus. Assuming figgins goes back to the angels, beltre could be a prime FA target. david freese recently received Mo's benediction as the prime candidate (which probably means that spending cash will be directed at LF and the rotation). The good news is he'd probably defend like brian barden (+14.9 UZR; before citing sss to me, check barden's minor league defensive stats). The bad news is he may hit like barden too. odds are freese hits a little better and is about a 2 win player. For my money, if derosa is at best a win better than freese, I'd rather spend the 5-7M elsewhere and get the comp pick when he signs with the cubs for three years and $30m. That said, if we're not coughing up the money for Holliday, a hard charge after a FA 3B could be a good way to upgrade.

Depth
Freese is second string depth if he's not the starter. At some point, the club may have to swallow its misgivings and give craig a shot. Descalso could conceivably act as a third-string option, as could a healthy joe mather or a resigned brian barden. Otherwise . . . I give you joe thurston, ladies and gents.

>Exit, pursued by a bear.<

>Enters again, winded.<

I think the 2010 picture is not a bleak one, especially in the context of our division. I am most concerned about the depth, more than the starter any particular position. I don't see any starter who looks like a less-than-league-average type (count me a little skeptical about freese). While we're never going to have a replacement albert pujols on the shelf - nor should we aspire to that - more depth and particularly more flexibility could make this team much more competitive. 2009 should also be remembered as the year of the Dry Powder; our ability to forecast gaps on the squad from our vantage point in the off-season is limited. We should retain the organizational flexibility to make  moves to address sudden needs that arise mid-season.

We have very poor outfield depth right now - I would guess craig and a healthy mather could approach league average. Jay is probably a less than average prospect with most of his value being defensive. Henley is hard to project with no time yet at AAA. That is why a player like Mike Cameron holds so much interest for me. A perennial 4 win player, he can play a corner respectably and could sub for an injured colby in center. We have poor RF depth, having few strong-armed outfielders. We can't go into 2010 without legit replacements at two OF positions while playiong two starters with injury histories.

The infield poses a similar, though not as dire, problem. Quite frankly, I just don't think lugo is good enough to be the infield backup. His defense is bad and his offense is likely to regress. Maybe his knee mends this off-season and his defense improves. But a good RH infielder to split time with skippy at second, hopefully one who could also backup the other infield spots, could save us a lot of heartache. tyler greene could be that guy if he learns some plate discipline. It kind of breaks my heart that derosa had his wrist injury because he could be a really good answer in that role. I just hate to throw money at an older player with a serious injury. Felipe Lopez could be another option, but he'll be very expensive coming off a career season. Unfortunately, the free agent market is parched in many of our areas of need, and our capacity to trade has taken a hit.

The need for depth and flexibility manifests itself in this fact: we lost a total of 2.7 WAR from sub-replacement value position players in 2009. More than half of that lost value came from Khalil Greene and Nick Stavinoha. By lacking appropriate replacement value players, the Cards lost the equivalent value of a better than replacement value player. Now, obviously almost any team is susceptible to having a sudden injury that leaves a less than desirable player in a key spot. Even the yankees caught a below-average performance from cody ransom (not related to our cody ransom) after a-rod got injured. but a deep team, managed well, would likely lose about a win to below replacement players. our lack of depth - and to a certain extent, mismanagement - cost us almost 3 wins. the good news is i don't see many khalil greenes or stavinohas getting a lot of playing time in 2010: lugo, tyler greene, and pagnozzi could be reasonable candidates to play at or below replacement value.

Thank you for reading this far. My apologies for any lack of flash. As I get accustomed to your fancy "tables" and your "icons" and your "twitters," I may get more adventurous in my layout. And I think I have preprogrammed this to appear early saturday. if this appears mid-friday afternoon or sunday evening or in the Sheboygan Daily Press, i'm probably doing it wrong. My apologies, good people of Sheboygan.

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What will Beltre/Cameron cost?

If the Cardinals fail with Plan A, re-signing Holliday, I’d be in favor of a Beltre plus Cameron package as the fallback plan, depending on the cost… Which may be a big caveat, if Beltre may end up making $10 million or something.

Putting those guys in the field would make us one of the top three or so defensive teams in the majors and each of them will out-hit the chimeras we had playing those spots at the start of 2009. Beltre’s numbers could be due for some improvement, leaving that ballpark, although the current Busch saps righty power similarly to Safeco.

Grabbing those two would fit the “Albert plus league average or better” strategy fairly well, although we’d still probably struggle a bit offensively when Pujols slumps unless Ludwick and Rasmus pick it up next season.

I’m very interested to see what the front office’s backup plan for our offense is if Holliday decides to go somewhere else. I’m optimistic that he’ll be a Cardinal next season, but if he goes elsewhere, it may be tough to cobble something decent together.

I expect the Cardinals to up their payroll commitment over the next few years as they try and chase a championship while Carpenter can continue to function and they’re sure Albert is with the team and in his prime. It’s just too bad that this season there isn’t much to spend money on, other than Holliday.

by oplaid on Oct 24, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if we don't sign Holliday

I hope beyond hope that Tampa does not pick up Crawford’s $10M and we go in on him ( this info is still correct, no? I am waiting here to be disappointed yet again, so let me have it. Go ahead, I know someone wants to ruin my dream already).

Nice first post Tom.

Oh yeah, my brain may not be able to take it if Stav gets playing time before Craig this year. Craig can’t possibly be a worse defender than Stav. I just can’t fathom that, I really can’t.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford will be a Ray until they trade him this year

There’s zero chance they do not pick up the option, but there’s a large chance that he ends up traded during the season. Some people seem to think they’ll move BJ Upton and try to re-sign Crawford, but that doesn’t seem to make much sense considering Crawford’s expense. He could be called the Rays’ first “franchise” player so maybe they feel that has some sort of value to them, but I doubt a front office as smart as the Rays’ lets emotion play a role in their decision.

by oplaid on Oct 24, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

and i wish we had someone to trade for him.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, too am intrigued by Beltre. . .

Granted, he’s coming off of a putrid, injury-filled 09, and it remains to be seen if he can keep all of his balls in the air (poor pun, but intended).

Might Boras steer him towards a shorter term deal so that he can rebuild his value in preparation for his last big contract? 2 years, $20M with incentives sounds about right. That’s a risk, but not a big or a long one, IMHO.

BTW, excellent first post, Tom S. That’s a novel way to look at building an offensive roster, and an informative one.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 24, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man surely there is SOMEONE

we can sign who has an OBP north of Brendan Ryan.

by sdrone on Oct 24, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, would the upgrade over Freese at third

really justify what we’d be paying for Beltre? I don’t think he’d be the on-base threat we desperately need, and I don’t see his power returning to pre-2009 levels. Granted, he’ll be a plus defender, but would it really be the wisest allocation of our resources? Seeing Holliday back in left would be nice, but I just have a bad feeling about giving him a 5+/100+ contract. So… if I had to choose between those two scenarios, I’m not crazy about either but I guess I’d rather take Beltre at third if we can get a good deal, plus money left over to put towards a LF and/or SP.

by mattyp on Oct 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and how much of a plus over Freese's D at third would he be?

any? enough to make up for the cost? unlikely

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does have 2 GG's

FWIW

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is very nearly nothing.

Don’t get me wrong, Beltre is a tremendous defender, but the winning of Gold Gloves has remarkably little correlation to the quality of defense being rewarded.

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Oct 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tongue firmly in cheek RB.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yadda fires a baseball at the GG voters

just to remind them of the what’s what & the who’s who

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thou shalt not fail to vote for yadi

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I see.

My apologies.

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Oct 25, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second.

Here comes the funcooker!

by the red baron on Oct 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only if he promises to always wear a cup

Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.

by RosevilleRedbird on Oct 24, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the lesser of two evils

to me is glaus, though I’d prefer freeze. at least glaus is a year into having a healed shoulder, whereas beltre’s shoulder issues haven’t really been addressed.

Looking at Beltre’s career numbers it’s amazing how consistent he has been offensively save for that 2004 season when he hit 48 bombs. How does a guy listed as 5-10, 175 hit that many homers?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pre-2006 numbers
How does a guy listed as 5-10, 175 hit that many homers?

contract year and no drug testing

by ubeddie on Oct 24, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was sort of rhetorical

but yeah, although I almost dismiss the contract year angle in this case.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it never fails to amaze me that one Stan Musial was listed at 175 lbs.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

Judging by his statue in front of the stadium, just his biceps alone were closing in on 150

by oplaid on Oct 24, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Although, it seems to me for whatever reason, Glauss won’t be an option.

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Oct 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, commented on the wrong post

I am not in favor of Beltre. Not matter is defense, his bat plain sucks. I think if Glauss is an option at all we should take a short deal on him. DeRosa should walks and we let Craig and Fresse fill in the remaining OF spot.

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Oct 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i too have more faith in Santa than Beltre

i just can’t get on that B Train. must be my claustrophobia

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

among the injured

we sign santa to a short, cheap, incentive based deal
offer arb to rosy and start to restock the system

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Oct 24, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

southside

i don’t think there will ever be that one last big contract for beltre. people must be remembering his 2004 year because the man was never a scott rolen. if you’re willing to pay 2/20 + incentives, scott boras will be seeing you tomorrow with pen in hand. if not, 2/15 should make them plenty happy. And, as always, I reserve the right to be completely mistaken in this matter.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2009 was an awful year to be sure. . .

And 2004 was certainly a 10 WAR outlier, but from 2005 to 2008, the man accumulated 14.2 WAR. That’s worth about $14M per year at $4.5M per WAR. For comparison’s sake, for the same time period, Scotty Ro put up 12.5 WAR.

Hitting in Safeco Field is a beast of a hard task for a righty power hitter.

I don’t know that 2/20 gets Beltre, for that matter, because his 2009 was truly awful and he ain’t getting any younger, but it sounds about right.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 25, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, you could be right

but the man has some unresolved shoulder issues, too.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cow Depressing.....

…would it be to go from Matt Holliday to Mike Cameron???
:=8(
To cowtinue with the Shakespeare:

“Have you eyes?
 Could you on this fair mountain leave to feed,
 And batten on this moor? Ha! have you eyes? "

Haven’t we had enough of .250 hitters who strike out a ton, and old ones at that? Is this really the best we can do in left? If we gonna do an old guy who runs, fields, and hits a bit, why not go for Johnny Damon? He can do everything Cameron can do and hit about 40-50 pts higher, steal moore, strike out less, and even lead off. Cameron’s biggest plus to me is that he’s only a Type B FA. Their ’09 salaries are within 3 mil of each udder. I have to say I like the idea of Damon followed by Skip followed by Pujols.

Naturally, Holliday is still my first choice. Carl Crawford would be my second, but everything points to him re-upping with the Rays. If we can’t get Holliday then I’d sooner spend the moolah on pitching, such as Webb (if available) or Bedard and either sign Beltre or resign Glaus to a 1 year deal.

By the way, great post!

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

Why is everyone so iffy on Freese?

by Mulliganstew on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a proven vet.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it about time

To try him out though? I know he’s no Cody, but he’s certainly hit well enough to give him a shot. If he doesn’t do well, there’s always Craig or resigning Glaus. It couldn’t be any worse than this year.

by Mulliganstew on Oct 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thing wot i have learned
  1. McGwire is really Zeus.
  2. The cubs really, really want that Impact Bat to Fix Everything. We should probably not do this.
  3. DanUp oughta cool it with the mancrushes.
  4. Brian Barden is Ludwick’s backup, backing up my Pointy Finger of Doom over any notion of letting him go. …wick.
  5. Boog’s mustache detached itself at some point during the NLDS.
  6. tom s. is also wondering why he’s on his lawn.
  7. MOAR BENCH. MOAR BENCH. MOAR BENCH.

I must object, though, I had nightmares about our middle infield for years. It was a much longer national nightmare.
However I also suspect tom s. knows something he’s not telling about Lugo’s crazy eyes.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh, and the Curse of Scott Rolen is real

but I knew that.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lugo can't hide

his crazy eyes – The Eagles

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I really liked the play of

Fat Collie Play in left, esp. the hitting until he got to the playoffs. THink we can sign Fat Collie Play? Should I call him FCP?

I’m sorry, but now Fat Collie Play is stuck in my head. Hahaha!

by sdrone on Oct 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tommy tommy tommy

good post
i’ll throw my minority view in from the other side of 30 as well
signing holiday will be a mistake, i hope boras saves us from that error
our lineup is much more in need of obp to take advantage of apu’s skills and generally reduce the number of holes in the line-up (hi Ks, hi gidp, no sac flies, etc)
i’d rather have two + players at 10m each for short term deals than 6-7 years of holliday at 20 per (apu is the only 30-yr old i’d a 6 year deal)
i’ll say damon intrigues me too

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by sportsman on Oct 24, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So, if I'm acutally 30

Does that make me a kid on the lawn, or a curmudgeon? Or just the Mendoza line?

Personally, I think the Cards will try very hard to sign Holliday to too much money, but he’ll end up with the Mets or the Yanks. I think they’ll then freak out a bit and overpay for a coupe years of DeRosa, who will play LF more than he should.

Hmm… use of youngster terminology in “freak out”… but with a negative outlook on the future… I guess I really am on the fence.

by A1R3Z on Oct 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm into curmudgeondom myself

also
for just next year, who is the better deal at 20M, manny or matty?

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Oct 24, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely OT

First, good morning, and welcome to the hot seat (which you are used to as a commenter!). Nice post. Sorry, but completely off the topic. I am having a discussion with a friend who is an Angels fan about the wisdom of walking A-Rod in the 9th inning last game. I remember that Chuck posted an article in the summer on the subject of the statistical validity of intentionally walking batters, and specifically, Albert. Can anyone provide me with the reference to the book on which Chuck based the article. The book had apparently analyzed thousands of MLB games to reach the conclusion that under no circumstances does it make sense to walk a batter. Thanks!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Oct 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

this is what you are looking for.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

I am a dumbass. That’s a link to the thread.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oddly enough, I think its actually called The Book

specifically, The Book: Playing The Percentages in Baseball. And IIRC, the findings indicate there are some limited situations in which walking a batter is the right call.

by mattyp on Oct 24, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

many thanks. I need to know those limited situations before my discussion with the Halo fan is resolved!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Oct 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

read Chuck's article RR linked to

might be in there. I can assure you, however, that the IBB of A-Rod was not even close to being one of them, lol

by mattyp on Oct 24, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even Better

Tango covered this in a post just today (or last night). “”http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/deconstructing_the_arod_walk/" >Deconstructing the ARod Walk."

Sorry if someone already linked to this.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Oct 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that sucked

Link again.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Oct 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great link.

Did Mike make all of those calculations before walking A-Rod. Anyhow, enough material there to settle the discussion (sort of, since the percentages are pretty close).

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Oct 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is exactly

where he linked.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I reread the article, and note that with men on 2nd and 3rd and 2 out, it may be better to walk AP. I want to read the entire Book to see if there are any other situations in which an IW may be better (pitcher coming up next, etc.).

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Oct 24, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep in mind

pitcher may = pinch-hitter

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Signing DeRosa

gives us a better (not best) backup at third. It also allows Freese to get playing time with fewer negative consequences for the team if he isn’t good enough. Otherwise, just going with Freese (with Barden or T. Greene or Thurston as back-up) seems very risky. What if Freese is not as good as everyone hopes (or takes half a season or more to figure out the bigs)? Given DeRo can play outfield (at least better than Duncan) and second, signing him would not be the same as signing someone like Beltre, who you would sign to be your everyday third basemen.

If Holliday doesn’t resign, I don’t also mind Cameron if he’s willing to mostly play the corners, especially given Luddy’s off year. I think 2010 Luddy will be somewhere between 2008 and 2009 Luddy, but if more the latter, then Cameron becomes more valuable.

good first post, tom – agree with a lot of it.

by CRay on Oct 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The whole problem, though

is that you’d have to pay starter, maybe even star, dollars for a “backup at third.” That’s not a good idea.

by StanTheManFan on Oct 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Started to play around with the roster last night

This is one scenario I came up with:

C Molina 4.25
1B Pujols 16
2B Schumaker 2.5
3B Lopez 4.5 (2yrs 10mil)
SS Ryan .4
LF Abreu 10 (2yrs 20mil)
CF Rasmus .4
RF Ludwick 5.5

Total Starters: 43.55

SP1 Carpenter 14.5
SP2 WW 4.65
SP3 Lohse 8.9
SP4 Harden 5.5 2yrs 11mil)
SP5 Garcia .4

Total Rotation: 33.95

Closer Franklin 3.25
RHR McClellan .4
RHR Hawksworth .4
RHR Motte .4
RHR Boggs .4
LHR Miller 2
LHR Reyes 2

Total Bullpen: 8.85

BC/1B Anderson .4
IFB Lugo .4
IFB Freese .4
OFBCody Ross 3 trade Francisco Samuel/Allen Craig

Total Bench: 4.2

Team Total: 90.55

Lineup v. RHP:

Skip 2B
Lopez 3B
Abreu LF
Pujols 1B
Rasmus CF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Ryan SS
Pitcher P

Lineup v. LHP:

Lugo 2B
Abreu LF
Lopez 3B
Pujols 1B
Ludwick RF
Ross CF
Molina C
Ryan SS
Pitcher P

This leaves some payroll flexibility to fill in later. Also, it doesn’t tie the team to anything beyond 2011. Just spitballin’

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Oct 24, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wait

felipe lopez at third? can he do that well at all?

and that team sure doesn’t have a ton of power

i also think that rasmus will be better than ross this year, even against lefties

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Oct 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lopez at third and Abreu in LF?

the thought of that kind of shoddy D on the left side makes me wanna cry

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UZR

Has Lopez as a +6 over 95 games at 3B in his career. He has a strong arm and his limited range would be less of an issue there.

I figured that Abreu would be less of a liability in left. Let’s face it…his UZR would likely rise in LF simply because he would be compared to that subset of crappy fielders.

There is no way that Rasmus outperforms Ross against LHP. Ross has a career OPS+ of 136 against LHP.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Oct 24, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ross, I like

and I suppose even if Lopez isn’t great at third, it would be an upgrade over what we had most of this season.

I just guess selling me on 2 out of 3 will have to do, cuz I just am not gonna ever be a fan of crappy OFers. You are just going to have to figure out a way for us to get Crawford out in LF for me to be happy.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should've signed lopez last year

for the salary he had and the roster flexibility, he was Mark derosa on the cheap side and we also would’ve kept YP and JT around. Just saying.

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus he's a type A free agent this year

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

well screw that idea

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

and we should have perdomo to play with

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by sportsman on Oct 24, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you want to trade allen craig?

first, who is allen craig?

Seriously, the fanpost on Skip’s lament led me to thinking that the only way to upgrade one position (of 2) that is not a glaring hole is to make a 2-1 trade, which upgrades one spot but leaves a void in the other. But you could also package a prospect in lieu of the second player. Which led to this blasphemous thought:

If Minnesota called and said, “Hey, you have this Craig guy that we sorta like and you sorta don’t, so maybe we could work something out. We have a really good outfielder due to make 8 mil this year with a club option for 10 in 2011. Since we’re kinda flush in outfielders and are going to be spending some cash on Mauer, would you guys be interested in Michael Cuddyer? He did, you know, OPS over 1.000 against lefties and committed zero errors in the field. All you have to do to is send us Craig…oh, and throw in that goofy shortstop, too.”

Now, maybe Minny really has no idea who Allen Craig is, and maybe they could get much more for Cuddyer. But that’s not the point. Would you make that deal?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would

If we could find a lefty to semi-platoon with Cuddyer and Ludwick.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Oct 24, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vote no on trading Allen Craig

We got rid of our next 3B in Brett Wallace. In no way should the Birds trade Craig, and if they did who would they trade for?

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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 24, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

question: who has better D' Craig or Wallace?

I can recall once reading a minor league UZR thingy and said Wallace was slightly above average ~+2 UZR

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 24, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

michael cuddyer

wallace was not a 3B in the org’s eyes, and neither is craig. craig is considered an OF.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good post man

and good luck with the shoes

i disagree that ryan:lugo::yadi:pornstache. larue is a great defender (i think he may have even picked up on yadi’s pick off move as much as one can) he’s just not available to be the every day catcher if yadi goes down

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Oct 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Get thee to a nunnery!"

My favorite line in Hamlet. I don’t know why.

Nice post, Tommy. Especially for a noob without a UID.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is a fantastic line.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just the other day

I took this quiz.. I’m only mildly ashamed to say the the extent of my knowledge extended no further than the Billy Madison soliloquy.

by mattyp on Oct 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I did not fare well on that quiz.

It’s a long story, but somehow I ended up reading Hamlet three times in high school. It’s been over 10 years since I’ve read it or seen the movies. Just long enough to be interested again.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love me some of the Bard in a post. Always appreciated Tom!

on a slightly darker note, does anyone else fear who the new Sunday poster may be? Please DanUP, don’t give Fritz the power to ban us!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...from inside the house?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sooo scared.....

and closer to me, GDM? My internet brother from another mother isn’t the new Sunday poster, is he?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would have been far less frightening

it is getting so cold in here.

 I am starting wonder if I should read VEB tomorrow.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or if you can!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

matty's gonna drink himself silly tonight

if fact, he’s probably driving up on Sillytown Exit 125A right about now

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i look forward to reading

momfrommo’s weekly commentary.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 24, 2009 11:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

nice UID btw

643

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey everybody!

Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."

by Mr Redbird on Oct 24, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whew

I was getting SOOO tired of Mr. Rdbird’s alter ego

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whew

I was getting SOOO tired of Mr. Redbird’s alter ego

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I get it

Ass

John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by jd is legend on Oct 24, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even SB Nation got on board with that idea JD!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so confused.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just enjoy the funness of it all

(trust me, it’s a thing)

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reply was not helpful.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr Redbird

and jd is legend are one in the same.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figured.

But why? Just for fun?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has two usernames

for 2 different sites. Kept having to log in and out. So he switched.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well done.

Good luck. And just so you know you made me laugh out loud many times.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed your novella Tom, you'll fit right in.

Great post and insight. I find it alarming that all of our infield depth falls to Hoolio. Stare aside, a lot of playing time will expose that rock attached to his left arm.

One omission, and I think it’s time we realize this. Joe F. Thurston will be on this team next year. Tony will be back, Thursty will play for league minimum, I don’t think we can wish him away. He will take some innings from someone, whether it’s Freese, [insert name here],or a few from Ryan I don’t know. It’s unfortunate that our two lefty INF’s are both second basemen.
I can’t wait to see the evolution of this team over the next three months. I can’t remember the last time that there were so many open roster spots to fill. It’s going to be an intriguing offseason.

Also and completely off topic.
Ryan Fucking Ludwick does not approve of all this trade Ryan Ludwick talk around here the last few days.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's okay, because he won't be traded.

Here’s why:

1. Don’t sell low.
2. Trade from a point of strength. We’ve got to fill LF and RF if Luddy is traded.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, I don't see how it could happen......

just wanted to get that in there.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Thursty wasn't an ommision....

reading comprehension before coffee is teh suck.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will NEVER STOP trying to wish Thurston away!

NEVER!

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by Cardinals645 on Oct 24, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

intriiiiiggguinnnnggggg

[steeples fingers]

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction on Barden in RF, implication for Craig

>>In the AAA championship game, brian barden played RF. Does that tell you what our RF depth is? Or what kind of confidence we have in craig’s arm<<

It really does not say anything about what the organization thinks about Craig’s arm. At the time, he had a pulled hamstring and couldn’t play the field, thus, he DH’ed. By all accounts Craig has a good outfield arm. Also, when you listed the depth in center, I think D. Jones should have been on that list. Yes, some scouts question his arm in center but other say he has an adequate CF arm. I think the jury is still out on DJ’s arm but he certainly has the speed for CF. As he’ll start the year in AAA, he should be in the conversation for depth in CF.

by jjray on Oct 24, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: jones -- i'd draw a distinction between what jones is potentially capable of

and how the club will actually play him. even in the minors, he has put in far more time in LF than in center. if the club were really that interested in seeing him in center, I think we’d be seeing him there more. i don’t think the club sees him as more than a stopgap in center. that said, i think with a healthy set of legs in 2010 he could hack it in center.

the same distinction goes for craig. he has exactly one chance recorded in RF (though that’s just the first half of 2009 – i don’t think minor league splits has posted the full season yet) . i don’t doubt he might be able to make it in RF, but he’s in a club which has stuck him in the “bad at defense” corner (fairly or not). that probably means he gets treated like a LF except in extremis.

i remember craig being injured prior to the series but i don’t recall the statement about him being unable to play the field. thanks for the correction. still, barden as the 2nd string RF should be almost as alarming as the 1st string (RF was often filled during the season by stavinoha who was injured during the season or nonentities like shorey, iirc).

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones

Point taken on Jones and CF. He’s healthy now so if they don’t play him in CF in Memphis in 2010 (giving CF to Sugar Shane instead) that will be telling.

by jjray on Oct 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not necessarily telling in that way

CF in st. lou is locked down. maybe they want him to focus on LF, if they think of him as more than a 4th OF. if they play him in CF, might indicate trade bait.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3rd base

will santa walk, or will mo try to work out something?
he’s the best 3rd baseman we have immediate access to
i think i’d rather go with santa on incentives and mr feeeze than spend on beltre

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by sportsman on Oct 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Methinks for whatever reason Glauss isn’t an option, but he’d be the best fit.

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by Zubin on Oct 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome aboard

VEB pays by the word?

Nice first post. Can’t understand why we wouldn’t re-up with Glaus and let him and Mr Freeze “duke” it out.

Just win

by The Duke on Oct 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pays by the word

but only in internet dollars

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 24, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually was thinking of another option at 3B

it doesn’t provide as much offensive power but the defense is pretty strong.


Placido Polanco
on a cheap deal.

It is the only true way to break the Scott Rolen curse. And, he’s a pretty good defensive player.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 24, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR would approve..

PP was one of his favourite players IIRC.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we need another low OBP guy in the line-up?

Alao he is 33… High average, low OBP middle infielders don’t age well. Not a good option IMHO.

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by Zubin on Oct 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when Albert almost hugged PP after the last out of the 06 WS.

The look on PP face was like “Mang I luv ya and all but, come on.”

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 24, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it makes me sad looking at this

Placido/Eckstein/Yadier/albert would never K in that order that 1-4 would be Dusty Baker’s Favorite

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 24, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but..

He has a funny shaped head.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it weird that he looks like Brando, but his kid's godfather is Albert?

also, Placido’s backup, Scott Sizemore just got his ankle broken on Thursday by some guy from the Nats system.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Brando,

just saw this recently. I think James Dean was the better choice for the role. Brando looks too manly.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we don't sign

Holliday, we’ll need one of those!

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

break the scott rolen curse

who was included with polanco? we might have to bring all the players back for it to work, but i’m not well-versed in black magic.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't undo curses

you have to get Scott Rolen

we’ll see if it lasts past April 30. otherwise we’re screwed.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was gonna say

the only way to break that curse is to reacquire Scotty.

GET ON IT MO!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony. La Russa.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah right.

Now that Jocketty has him, there’s no breaking this curse.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least it's just third base

unlike some other clubs

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so we have to wait until little scotty rolen plays third for the Cards in 2025?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no. AJ.

also, the little boy Rolen is named Finn.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finn Rolen would break the curse

I am sure an A.J. and Finn infield would be okay with all of us.

And Finn, really? Man, yet another reason to love Scotty Rolen!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wiki don't lie

Finn Edward

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ throws lefty, right

so Finn (3B) to AJ (1B) would have symmetry.

Huck would be a good nickname for Boog – and I’ve been trying to think of a nickname for Boog forever.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shivers

that would be so, so cool.

…no pressure, kids!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also: "I’ve been trying to think of a nickname for Boog forever."

the Department of Redundancy Dept. is calling

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if it's for a job

no thanks. I’m very happy at the Dept. of Stupid Jokes

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yadi2?

“Department of Redundancy Dept.”

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look it up

don’t hurt yerself

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

thought it was original.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm fairly unoriginal

I’m not even original Molina

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i missed

the double department first time round. i reread it later and thought “Clever, that SOB slipped that right by me.” I’ll probably end up attributing it to you somewhere down the line anyway. Just how my mind works.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm flattered

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, no

Bud Smith, Mike Timlin, Placido Polanco for Scott Rolen

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Bud Smith throw a no-hitter in the early aughts?

That’s really funny.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought we traded bud smith to diego?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bud Smith threw the no-hitter against Diego

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

thanks.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 24, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Random Idea...

I think we should look into picking off some of Baltimore’s outfield depth by offering a package of schu/craig/closer prospect and seeing if it could net one of markakis/jones/scott/reimold. I would personally love Markakis, but wouldn’t mind any of the others. Schu could play some outfield or spell roberts at second as he ages. Craig could easily step in at first for them. This would also give us the chance to put Pujols buddy Polanco back at second base, which can’t hurt when we are trying to figure out his next contract

by white088 on Oct 24, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

O's won't trade Markakis or Jones

MacPhail is building the team around those two. Nick is a fan favorite taking over the Brian Roberts role and was signed last season to a long term deal. Jones will be an All Star again next year and is under team control for four more years. Scott or Reimold or even Felix Pie might be available.

by ubeddie on Oct 24, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be some sort of record.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 24, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

falls short of his record of memes in one comment, though.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't post for personal records,

i’m just trying to give 110% & use the talent the good Lord has given me. i’m just a simple man bloging from the deep, dark hole of his mothers basement. i am no hero. i am no roll model. i am just gdm.

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by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

let me guess. you have grit.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm more of a grinder actually

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

anime play?

VEB in manga would be awesome.

well, maybe. on the one hand, one could draw a representation of a defender’s true range with a tiny chibi dude and his giant glove. on the other hand, there might be a representation of man stew complete with sparkles and bubbles.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this may be gdm's finest comment ever

and while that may not be saying much, I still want to know why the hell it isn’t green.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no. there were more memes in this one:

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/10/14/1084684/trader-mo-redux#22858397

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how could i forget about that

gdm is on quite a roll lately

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or he's printed out the glossary

which is creepy for me

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought everyone had printed out the glossary

Am I really the only one who has done that?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't

for one thing, I do occasionally update it.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have clearly been accepting editorial

Advice from the same folks as RB.

True fact: despite what mo maintains, allen craig is not lost floating in a silver weather balloon. Instead, mo has hidden him in the rafters at busch iii.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm

they’re still looking…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong head

should be mrs phillips

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Oct 24, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what am i missing here?

I see no images. . . why is this thing green?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 24, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't look at me

i’m just the moran that wrote that mess which included a bunch of grammar fails. even though i hit the preview button at least three times. my best guess is they are pity rec’s. society has always had a soft spot in their hearts for the ones who have to ride the short bus with a helmet on

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see pictures.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 26, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is hard to believe

But USA is replaying its new hit original series White Collar again…and again…and again…

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Aren't they all "new hit series'"?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fact that he's saying "new hit original series"

means he’s hearing it at Caliendo levels

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay,

I watched about half of that show and it blows. The criminal dude is smokin’ hot, but that show is dumb.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you are wrong

the one thing I count on is quality entertainment from USA. This could be the first bad USA series in a long time? Of course I didn’t watch Royal Pains, so maybe that one broke the streak.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

royally?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just lie and say "exactly"

everyone thinks you’re witty anyway

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, I watched the show

through kitsch-tinted glasses. Made it enjoyable.

by spants on Oct 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm glad you didn't accept my ring, i love royal pains

i also liked white collar last night. it was a decent pilot, and i think it will only get better

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by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bailey's & hot cocoa can cover up a lot of problems

but it can’t cover up all of them

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by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what Jameson's is for.

"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick

by RiverRat on Oct 25, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's not enough irish wiskey in the world to cover up all that is wrong with gdm

especially for the very intelligent lass’s here at VEB. they are way too smart for his antics

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[lonely tear]

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Oct 24, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was already baseball.

I was just about to link to it.

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_log&gid=2009_10_24_msswin_surwin_1

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to try to catch some of these games

Delcalso and D. Jones are both playing – I’d like to check them out.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 24, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone have any good tips for using tables in fanposts on the site?

Maybe a link to a guide of some sort?

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Oct 24, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Specifically transferring a table from Excel or Word

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Oct 24, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

create your table in word.

Copy it. Open the fanpost editor. It has a button labeled “paste from word”. Click it and paste your table in the window that opens. Sbnation does the conversion.

There are fancier ways to do a table which give you sharper looking results, but that’s the quick and dirty way.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 24, 2009 8:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I tried that.

It definitely did not work so great for me, for whatever reason.

Found an HTML guide though. It’s a bigger pain, but it works a lot better.

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Oct 24, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

momup has new pics

starting at page 5

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

link?

Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort

by Cardinals645 on Oct 24, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What should we do at third?

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 24, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

of course we could go with superman here

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 24, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now comic style image

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 24, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

I recced this because I think it's awesome.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 24, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a rec from ClemsonGirl means I'm going places

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know it.

I know what I’m talking about.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that's sweet.

I rec’d it too.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Oct 25, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll not see nothing like the mighty glaus.

curse the umpires out
curse the umpires in
but when glaus the illtempered gets here
all the boys in blue gonna run from him

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

nice

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spring Training

Planning on going down. Anyone have tips?

by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 25, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

put on sunscreen

us computer nerds burn up when in contact with the sum

And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.

by CodyG on Oct 25, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*resists math joke*

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what she said?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 25, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahaha

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is educational to look through old threads

to find gems like “we should sign Pedro now” (though, at the time, Pedro was still having quality time with his mama and probably wouldn’t have come)
and
“I will make love to Boog” (no, that wasn’t any of the usual suspects)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

heh, I forgot

Boog and Razzers had themselves a glare-off over a failure to call the ball. guess they made up.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, veb!

this is completely irrelevant to big shoes and the cardinals!

i’m just one of the few who rarely participates in the franklin indulgence, but i did tonight! so, i figured i should let veb know that i am kind of drunk i just want to fit in!

btw, i fucking love the st louis cardinals! allen craig is going to make the ml roster out of spring training and blow everyones’ minds. we’re going to be all “carl crawford who?!” you just wait

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 3:07 AM EDT reply actions   5 recs

This is great

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver

by Smokin Turkeys on Oct 25, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahaha

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Oct 25, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

i remember why i don’t like drinking now

we’re going to be all "carl crawford who?!" you just wait

yeah, not really

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Oct 25, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i still rec'd it prophet

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by gdm426 on Oct 25, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

prophet

was it a vision?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Oct 26, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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