Adam Wainwright and Late-Blooming Fascism
by DanUpBaby on Oct 19, 2009 4:11 AM EDT
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I've always thought the sportscaster-hallowed transition from thrower (strikeouts, walks, a fastball) to pitcher (fewer strikeouts, fewer walks, a sinker) to be a little too indiscriminately applied; some pitchers simply have "thrower" profiles, and will until the end of time, and others are not "throwers" at all but just pitchers who are not very good. But it gets one thing completely right: striking batters out is, with certain Randy Johnson-sized exceptions, a young man's game.
Here's this year's list; nineteen spots down you'll find Adam Wainwright, who somehow edged out Felix Hernandez, 8.19 K/9 to 8.18, without me realizing it. At 27 he is securely fastened into his peak years, but you wouldn't know that from this list; only a third of the eighteeen ahead of him are older, a list headed by noted fogies Javier Vazquez and A.J. Burnett, 32.
Adam Wainwright's strikeout rate as a starter, to this point, was 6.1; he didn't place last year, having pitched only 132 innings, but in 2009 that would be good for 55th among 78 qualifiers, between Jeff Niemann and Randy Wells. The entire difference between 2009 Adam Wainwright and the ace-by-default who came before him is an impressive strand rate and those two extra strikeouts. How often does this happen to someone who is already basically a pitcher? The anticlimactic answer after the jump:
It happens a lot. In fact, through scientific analysis and arbitrary generalization I've divided this year's top twenty into fireballers who emerge basically fully formed, the Lincecums, and pitchers whose strikeout rates hit another gear after years of adequacy, whom I will charitably label the Voldemorts.
The Lincecums typically had extremely high strikeout rates throughout the minors—not just a batter an inning, and not just in low-A. Their titular team captain (10.42 K/9) struck out 104 batters in his 62 minor league innings; Yovani Gallardo (9.89) struck out more than 12 AAA hitters per nine before leading off his brief and interrupted career with a Wainwrightian 8.2 K/9. Most of these guys, Ubaldo Jimenez, Clayton Kershaw, Josh Beckett among them, feature the kind of fastball that stifles all other discussion in the away team's broadcast booth.
That makes sense to me, and it would naturally engender the thrower/pitcher divide that's thrown up between rookies with high strikeout rates and the other class of successful rookie pitchers, who are all described as some variation upon the Greg Maddux theme. But somewhere between observing that it happens and trying to make a maxim of it it becomes tautological: young pitchers with the best stuff will have the highest strikeout rates. Well, great; so too with old pitchers, fat pitchers, skinny pitchers, the entire spectrum of Armour hot dog-loving, baseball-throwing athletes. Even Zack Greinke, the pitching-smartest prospect to come through the minors in a decade, judging from his advance press, didn't begin striking batters out with impressive frequency until his stuff suddenly leapt from Maddux to Pedro. (This is all, if nothing else, probably good news for the Washington Nationals.)
When I was trying to put together he-who-must-not-be-named's squad I quickly ran into a road block: nearly every late-blooming strikeout artist had some mitigating circumstance surrounding his delayed ascent. Going down the list: Justin Verlander (#2) barely played in the minors, and his otherwise-orderly trip up the leaderboards was interrupted by a bizarre off-year in 2008; Jon Lester (#3) spent time on the DL for lymphoma; Vazquez (#5) was rushed to the majors; Greinke (#8) was Greinke; Ricky Nolasco (#9) spent the customary young Marlin lost season on the disabled list; and so on. Only lonesome Dan Haren (#12), who will not appear unless I say his name two more times, is truly similar to Adam Wainwright—though even he, in his relentlessly steady way, was kind enough to provide a transitional final season in Oakland before turning into a strikeout pitcher.
I'm not sure what all this means. Maybe Wainwright's year in the pen is his mitigating circumstance; maybe the finger injury in 2008 masked a more predictable breakout. But it's good to see that the new conventional wisdom on the subject—strikeouts peak, like defense, well before hitters do—leaves room for an outlier like Adam Wainwright to spend a few more years at his unexpected peak.
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Programming note: Like everybody else I am going to miss Chuck's inconceivably consistent work here; he took up a lot of slack when lboros hung up the keyboard, and the only thing he got in payment was the well-deserved chance to change his username. Things might be spotty here, by VEB standards, for the next two weeks; I'll be in Japan for ten days starting October 22 (this is me bragging) and our new, Chuck-less schedule is not quite down in marble. But after that things should be back to offseason-normal. I'll attempt to unleash the roster matrix in the meantime.
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Hey. Remember the segment I suggested a while ago about "every cardinal matters"
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/7/2/935985/every-cardinal-matters-segment#comments
and you said it was a good idea, so i thought i would remind you again.
"If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hand."
by tigr on Oct 19, 2009 5:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do we ?
Compare anything “per 9 innings” when most pitchers who have already taken a shower and are home by the 9th inning.
It just doesn’t seem accurate to compare a pitcher’s anything “per 9 innings”.
PS
What a steal on Adam’s contract.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 19, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct
Technically we shouldn’t even judge anything per IP either. The best way to compute rate statistics for pitchers is on a batters faced basis, but that is not as intuitive on the surface as K/9 or BB/9.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 19, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think intuition is the problem, it's just inertia
No one has any problems looking at hitters’ stats on a per PA basis.
That said, I don’t think 9IP is any worse of a normalization than 1IP, so if we’re gonna go with IP as our normalization, we may as well keep it at 9 where everyone is well calibrated already.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to expand on why IP is a bad normalization:
by doing so, you introduce a huge amount of coupling into the statistics. Having a high K/IP means that when you record outs, you do it with a K; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you K a large fraction of the batters you see. As a result, to fully interpret rate stats on a per inning basis, you need to consider all of the outcomes simultaneously (how all of the outs/nonouts were recorded). In a world where linear and log-linear models rule the roost, these types of (almost certainly non-linear) couplings seem like they could really confound the modeling. That said, many “advanced” stats (such as FIP) still rely on IP as a normalization, so it doesn’t seem to be a huge deal in practice.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering what might be a normalization that is both easier for the average fan to understand and that tells you more
Everybody is pretty much use do ERA which is normalized to 9IP (right?). Maybe some combination of K/start and IP/start? That would probably be too much information all at once.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Average Start"
Maybe we should calculate everything on this basis? Average BB per start…Average SO per start…Average batters faced per start…Average IP per start…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just percentages of batters faced,
thus Zack Greinke K’s 26.4% of his total batters faced, while Clayton Kershaw only K’s 26.3% of his total batters despite a higher K/9.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. We already do this for hitters, and it's much cleaner imo
For example, we have no problems in understanding that Rick Ankiel strikes out 1980943287932%* of the time
*almost
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this.
It’s easy to do and makes the VEB-initiated shift to PAs instead of ABs inevitable.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is inevitable...
…everything is proceeding according to our design…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's worth pointing out
this breaks down to a bit for cumulative stats like runs allowed (which relies on more than one PA). I’m not sure that runs/PAA is any better than runs/outs, and it’s definitely not as generally understood. That said, trying to introduce context into our improved statistical world is probably not of primary importance.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There must be some better way to do it than ERA.
Think, people!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 19, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also have some new ideas for a device to aid transportation
It would be a rounded and turn about a central axis, allowing things to which you attach it to roll. All of this walking around is getting old.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn!
Here I thought you gonna come up with teleportation. Besides I gots a horse so who needs your sorcery.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ERA doesnt matter
look at Jack Morris in 84, not a great era, but knew how to win. If you have a good lead, let them get themselves out.
by Macarver hater on Oct 20, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
he was such a good pitcher that his offense scored plenty of runs. if only our starters could learn how to get better run support
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Morris is literally one of the players I hate most in the history of baseball.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 20, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell of a mustache, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 20, 2009 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here, here!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all about intestinal fortitude baby!
sometimes i just miss Jeff Brantley on BBTN…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOOOO Change!!!
HOORAY Status Quo!!!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never thought about it before
but there’s something poetic about “Status Quo” still being written in Latin.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One big difference between WW and the Lincecum tribe
is that, put very simply, WW didn’t arrive in the Show until a comparatively advanced age. Waino turned 25 during his first full season. Most of those other guys were 22 or 23. Even the unmentionable comparables got there younger than Waino did.
Another point is that your Lincecum peers should also include guys like Joel Zumaya (arrived at age 21) and Jeremy Bonderman (20!) who came up throwing the big heat and then wrecked their arms. WW’s late arrival is no guarantee that he won’t (horrors!), but the tendency for young pitchers to trash their arms as they hit triple digits can’t be ignored.
Me, I’ll take WW as he is, thanks.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 19, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fascism
Mussolini waves to the Italian faithful after striking out 22 in a Team Italy victory at the 1926 World Baseball Classic. Silvio Piazza, who caught Il Duche said, “This is the fascist revolution applied to baseball. We don’t allow the democrats to even put the ball in play.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
You gotta admit
Those fascist teams had some really great uniforms. And I don’t care what Dave Duncan says, Mussolini got the inning ended on time.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they are not as good
as these but they’re ok…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My onlu quibble is the footwear
Tall socks are good, but tall boots?
by mojowo11 on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lessens the chance of turning your ankle
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you just snap your lower leg in half!
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is what i was always afraid of when they made us wear AirCasts
in basketball and football…Screw the tibia just dont sprain an ankle
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it was a good idea.
Merely a reason for wearing them.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
Fascist baseball is very into the True Outcomes. That means lot of strikeouts for pitchers. It means strikeouts, walks, and homerun trots for offense. No need for athletic footwear—the players’ attire is geared more towards capturing the fear and awe of the opponent with its commanding presence and its robust style, without being too flashy or flamboyant. Defense shall be de-emphasized for now, and eventually will be completely eliminated as all outs will be recorded with the strikeout.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This entire conversation has not ceased to amuse me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beautiful reasoning.
You have almost sold me on the idea of fascist baseball…throw in a set of ginsu knives and I will join in lock-step.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Democratic Pitching
If someone has already posted this, I apologize, but world renowned (except in the UK) pitching democrat Dave Duncan says he will return to St. Louis if TLR does:
Confident that organizational lines of communication will improve, Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan said Tuesday he is prepared to return to the club for a 15th season should Tony La Russa do the same as manager.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in the "look forward, not back" camp
It is extremely unlikely that we will trade away Dave Duncan’s son in the near future. In that sense, I’m sure that lines of communication will improve
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Duncan and Lunhow don't like one another.
I am speculating, but when their relationship is described in the P-D as “distant,” that seems to me to be a press euphemism for “childishly not speaking to one another” or something. Lunhow hired new instructors, as chornicled in the wonderul and LB-edited Maple Street Press Cardinals Annual, and their approach to mechanics is different from the Duncan-preferred method.
So, when Straussie writes this…
‘Mo’ and I have talked about it," Duncan said. “He’s tried to assure me I’ll have the opportunity to express my feelings and why I feel as I do. It’s not personal. It’s what’s in the best interest of the organization. Really, it’s never been a personal issue. I just think there ought to be better communication between what’s going on within the minor-league side and what we’re doing. If (player development) can convince me it’s a productive approach, fine. I’d like to have that conversation.”
Duncan’s distant relationship with vice-president of scouting and player development Jeff Luhnow is well known within the organization. Duncan’s philosophy, particularly regarding mechanics, conflicts with that of roving minor-league pitching instructor Brent Strom, a Luhnow hire who has no contact with Duncan.
…it seems to me that the Cardinals’ anticipated “reorganization” their minor league staff may be to appease Dave Duncan. I just wonder if they are waiting to make that move until, and if, TLR returns and Duncan joins him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I botched that quote box.
This is whole 2 paragraphs:
‘Mo’ and I have talked about it," Duncan said. "He’s tried to assure me I’ll have the opportunity to express my feelings and why I feel as I do. It’s not personal. It’s what’s in the best interest of the organization. Really, it’s never been a personal issue. I just think there ought to be better communication between what’s going on within the minor-league side and what we’re doing. If (player development) can convince me it’s a productive approach, fine. I’d like to have that conversation."
Duncan’s distant relationship with vice-president of scouting and player development Jeff Luhnow is well known within the organization. Duncan’s philosophy, particularly regarding mechanics, conflicts with that of roving minor-league pitching instructor Brent Strom, a Luhnow hire who has no contact with Duncan.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez...poor Luhnow
Nobody likes that guy, it seems.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The old power center,
which has closer ties to the P-D reporters, does not like him. He has a fast rise in the front office and DeWitt seems to favor him. And Lunhow’s specialty is faberge eggs, which is somewhat antithetical to the old power center’s leanings. Add all this together and you get a one-sided media presentation that is more favorable to Duncan, TLR, etc. than Lunhow. Straussie and Bernie are the primary culprits and their ignorance as to prospects makes it all the worse.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
The old guard has a vested interest in disliking Luhnow, at least until some of his precious eggs can help them get the players they actually want.
It pisses me off more than a little.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they dont need to like each other
Dunc is the MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING COACH and Luhnow is the VP OF AMATUER SCOUTING AND PLAYER DEVELOPMENT their paths should rarely, if ever, cross.
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can only imagine their first meeting went a little something like this:
Duncan: Hello. I don’t believe we’ve been introduced. Dave Duncan, Major League Pitching Coach.
Lunhow: Jeff Luhnow, Vice President of Amatuer Scouting and Player Development
Duncan: So you’ll be reporting to me then.
Lunhow: On the contrary.
Duncan: My title has “coach” in it.
Lunhow: And I’m a President. Which in politics is the highest title there is. Do you know anything about politics?
Duncan: I know everything about politics. I’ve voted over 50 times.
Lunhow: Congratulations.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
you get a rec for this line alone...
Duncan: So you’ll be reporting to me then.
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not green yet
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was inspired, I must say.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Office" based?
Dwight and Andy, only likely smarter?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call bullshit on this....
They’re paths shouldn’t cross, but they should have an open line of communication. If Luhnow was strictly in charge of scouting and not player development, I’d side with you on this, but since he is in charge of player development, he needs to have open communication lines with the major league staff so that the development at preparation of minor league players is in sync with what’s expected from them at the major league level.
That doesn’t mean that we should develop players strictly how Dave wants them done, but there at least should be some communication between the two parties. If there isn’t, we are setting our organization and our prospects up for failure.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it still doesnt mean they need to like each other
which is what my post said…there are a lot of people i dislike that i can have an open conversation with, like what me and you are doing right now…so call bullshit on yourself, there.
(only kidding i have no problem with you other than you have no avatar…)
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also said that
their paths should rarely, if ever, cross
Which is what I was referring to. They have to be able to communicate and meet about players, especially in the spring when looking at non-roster invitees to camp, 40 man roster decisions, and so on.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you said
They’re paths shouldn’t cross, but they should have an open line of communication.
so obviously we agree about that…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
owned
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But seriously
What can Duncan be objecting to?
Luhnow’s drafting mechanically clean guys with nice fastballs? That gives you a strong foundation to work on.
Does he want more finished products? Does he want guys, like Lincecum, who are more ready for prime time? Is he upset with the pace that guys are moving through the system? Does he covet David Price and Tim Lincecum? Does he know they weren’t even an option?
That kind of makes sense, but there are lots of reasons why that doesn’t always work out, especially when you are winning.
In which case he should be blaming Tony.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what he's objecting to
But this quote sticks with me…
I just think there ought to be better communication between what’s going on within the minor-league side and what we’re doing. If (player development) can convince me it’s a productive approach, fine. I’d like to have that conversation."
This indicates to me that he feels like he’s being completely left in the dark as to what is being done on the player development side. If that’s the case, then the minor league pitchers probably have no idea how the Cardinals develop game plans, prepare, throw in between starts, etc. That’s a problem. Everyone should be on the same page so that they players in the minors have some type of clue what to expect from coaches when they get to the big league level.
I’m not saying that Duncan should get to do everything his way, but I am saying that it’s the responsibility of everyone in the organization to make sure that everyone is read in on what the goals are and what the developmental process is.
It seems like Luhnow knows what he wants to do and how he wants to do it, but he shouldn’t just be dictating that to Dave either (and vice versa). Duncan has been successful for a long time as a big league pitching coach, so he must be doing something right — it’s not like he’s had a ton of Cy Young level talent to work with over the years.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game plans
This is an interesting proposition to me. Because, to me, it seems that the goals are completely different. The major league pitchers are trying to win as many games as possible. The minor league pitchers are trying to develop as pitchers, so that they can make it to the big leagues and win as many games as possible. Development, as a goal, means throwing pitches that need work. Basically, working on weaknesses in one’s game rather than avoiding them. These two ultimate goals are very, very different.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent thought
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 19, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
but at the same time:
- How pitchers game plan for games should be similar. (i.e. reading scouting reports, developing a plan for each hitter based on your arsenal of pitches, etc.)
- Side sessions between starts should also be similar in context to what that pitcher does. They shouldn’t get to the big leagues and then have to change their between-start regimen to fit the big ball club.
- The MLB coach should have some idea of how the minor league coaches and player development people are developing pitchers so as not to shock the players that get called up into a totally different system of training and developing.
I don’t think everything should be the same, but if the left hand (Duncan) doesn’t know what the right hand (Luhnow/Strom) is doing I don’t think that helps anybody.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that we would be surprised
at how lacking minor-league scouting reports are. I also think that the game plan is more pitcher-development-oriented than batter-weakness oriented. As far as preparation and between starts, I agree that some level of continuity is needed and desired. With no communication, that is problematic. In that vein, I would hope that the Power Puff Girl backpack will make appearances at every level for the “”http://www.wifflehouse.com/ybn/images/BullDurham.jpg" >Meat" of the squad…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hotlink fail
I meant to link to this picture, but, quotation marks seem to screw up my hotlinking.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my mind...
you would transfer from “pitcher strength” game planning to “batter weakness” in AAA. A pitcher should be pretty well developed as a “thrower” by that point, and should be transitioning to a “pitcher”. Also “batter weaknesses” are somewhat unkown until the higher levels, as data/research is limited.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 19, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, often,
pitchers need to develop an additional pitch, even in AAA. Jason Motte, for example, with a breaking ball, or, Anthony Reyes, with a sinker.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO...
this should be noticed prior to reaching AAA…these might be extenuating circumstances. Motte rocketed through the system (once converted) and ARey was “demoted”. Of course there is the age old question of whether or not ARey needed to learn the sinker.
In most cases it should be easy to see that a reliever has nothing to compliment his plus fastball, and rather than let him ride it through the minors one should teach him a secondary pitch early on.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 19, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would think
I’d rather Motte learn a change or whatever at AA than AAA.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is true...
I think that we would be surprised at how lacking minor-league scouting reports are.
Then we clearly don’t have enough scouts. It would be in the organizations best interest to have advance scouting in every league in the minors, but especially in our own leagues. That way we’re scouting players who may be left unprotected in the Rule V, we have info on opposing players as they mature towards the major leagues, and we have guys to target in trade that may be flying under the radar.
If minor league scouting reports aren’t better than collegiate scouting reports, which are pretty damn good most of the time, than that’s a bad thing.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
college scouting reports
are focused on the bottom line…winning. I guess the question is, should our minor league pitchers be focused on the batters’ scouting reports, and getting them out, or should they be working on their own development, even though that may play to an opponent’s strengths?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 19, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should be working on both
Most scouting reports are going to tell you the locations of the strike zone that a hitter has trouble with first, then maybe what pitches they struggle with second. Are you saying that our pitchers shouldn’t be working on throwing their fastball to areas that hitters struggle in order to get outs? That they should be throwing their 3rd and 4th pitches more so they “develop” them, even though that may not lead to results that appear in the stat sheet or rate stat sheet? I disagree with that logic if that’s what you’re saying.
What’s the biggest difference between Mitchell Boggs and Adam Wainwright? Control. Both have good fastballs and both have good breaking pitches, but Wainwright walks a lot fewer batters per 9 innings and doesn’t make mistakes in the middle of the plate that get hit. He’s also very good at pitching to weaknesses. Why shouldn’t our pitchers be working on that in the minor leagues?
It’s a fallacy to assume that you can’t do both. You can, and pitchers who are developed properly should be getting both the preparation and the development of secondary pitches.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not disagreeing
i’m not saying our pitchers shouldn’t be working on throwing to areas that hitters struggle in, just that those areas are pretty universal. work on throwing to those areas, yes, but irregardless of any scouting report. I just place more emphasis on development than winning at that level, but am not really at odds with your points.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 19, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Development :: Winning
I’m not saying we should be leaving guys in there until the 8th inning and throwing 130 pitches to get a “win”, but I think you can develop pitchers and still win games. I don’t think that they are mutually exclusive.
I’m not really emphasizing winning over development, just that if you’re doing development properly, then your players are getting better. Better players = more wins.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 20, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most excellent point
If I’m trying to win a minor league championship, then I’m not going to be that interested in a pitcher throwing his crappy, but promising 3rd pitch or his suck ass, but necessary 4th pitch, especially since they aren’t needed at that level.
And we did just win a AAA league championship.
So maybe that is part of it.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Specific examples, too.
Jess Todd, Clayton Mortensen, and Lance Lynn were relatively high on the pitching prospect lists for the organization and feature sinkers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What more can he want?
There has to be a healthy dose of irrationality mixed in here.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could argue...
…that Dave Duncan doesn’t have to know diddly about mechanics, and probably doesn’t, to be successful and that, as a result, you should take his opinions about mechanics very lightly. Duncan is a very good approach guy, which is about all that you can change at the major league level. It’s even very hard to change a guy’s mechanics at the major league level even if he’s motivated to change them (due to things like muscle memory).
I also think that the Cards have been drafting guys with good mechanics, which makes me question what Duncan’s questioning (other than just his lack of input).
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Shelby Miller good I never bothered to check the video?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any obvious problems.
But I haven’t seen any really good video of him.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In your opinion
Does Dyer Miller do a good job of teaching mechanics?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Dyar's a heavy mechanics guy
I think he’s more of an approach guy like Duncan.
That’s why they brought Strom in; to pair him up with Dyar so that Strom could coach mechanics and Miller could coach approach.
P.S. I know Strom and think he is sharp.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.P.S. IMy opinion of Miller is based on some things he said about Anthony Reyes' mechanics
It was standard conventional wisdom stuff, much of which is wrong.
The issue is that there are a lot of people who think they know a lot about mechanics, but who have never looked at guys on high speed video, or plain old video, so their ideas don’t hold up to basic scrutiny.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Just wondering what you thought about Dyar — after watching him work with pitchers at Spring Training this year I had a more favorable opinion of him, but then I didn’t get to hear all of his conversations either.
I agree on Strom and think he’s a huge asset to the organization.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dyar Miller
I have interacted with Strom multiple times at some length but don’t know Dyar. All I have about Dyar are some quotes I read that reflected a very common mentality. It’s not that he’s bad, it’s just that he doesn’t seem to be better than average mechanics-wise. Also, he struck me as more of an approach guy than a mechanics guy, which makes some sense. Your mechanics guys are going to be working in A ball. By AAA, guys had better be there mechanically and just need to work on approach.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, but that's the problem.
Duncan, and La Russa as well, both believe they do know pretty much everything about everything, and thus should have input into everything the Cardinals do. Duncan doesn’t have to know anything at all about mechanics other than to spot when something’s a little out of whack with a guy on a given day, but he has his own philosophies, and since he’s a genius, believes they should be followed. And to hell with anyone who doesn’t agree with his dogma.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, pitch tipping
never forget pitch tipping
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. Oh so true.
I wonder what Jo-El was tipping in his last game of the year?
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his sinker?
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Oct 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cows
He was cow-tipping.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MooCowBait!
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His cap to all those hits...
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Oct 19, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we make a VEB pact
stating that any link to a Strauss article be amended with a “(Strauss)” at the end so I can take a happy pill before reading it?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be pretty easy to make a greasemonkey script to do this
not a bad idea actually
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best idea idea i have heard in sometime, really...
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His constant negative attitude
towards everything really turns me off. I’d just as soon somebody interpret the article for me so I don’t have to read it.
And maybe put a smiley face at the end, too.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
just the person for that…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope that there are unicorns.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
That's awesome.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only part that bothers me
is the bee that is trying to get some “honey”…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man stew
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that get's me wondering...
what was chuckb’s old username? i was around before he became a main writer, so i probably would recognize the old username.
and of course, best wishes to you chuckb.
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Oct 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Raph! Yea...a little too Raph...
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wise man say
forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there a mourning period over losing a blogger
that i am not aware of? i layed in bed and cried all day yesterday but decided to put my big boy pants on today because i didnt want to miss out on anything…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never really followed minor league baseball that much
But it was very surprising to me to see that Lincecum only pitched 62 innings in the minors. I never realized he was that high of a prospect.
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drafted 6th overall, IIRC
I followed him pretty closely, as I drafted him as a prospect in my NL-Only fantasy league. Needless to say, he was very helpful.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10th overall
Rated as having dominant stuff but everyone was afraid of the frame.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...Maybe I drafted him 6th, lol.
Fantasy baseball, real baseball, whatever.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad thing was
he was drafted by the Indians in the 42nd round as a draft-eligible sophomore, but they didn’t sign him. Everyone was confused what to do with this kid who stood 5’5", spun around in a circle three times before throwing the ball, and could strike out Jesus H. Ruth.
Just think about that. Lincecum could have been drafted in ’06, but every single team passed on him forty-one times.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing happened with Strasburg though
He had a small frame coming out of high school and didn’t even get drafted, if I remember correctly.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Strasburg was fat.
After he got to college he lost something like 30 or 40 pounds, if I remember correctly. He had a plenty big frame, it was just covered in gravy.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And throwing 89
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also wasn't nearly as good
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda throws the whole
TINSTAAPP thing out the window doesn’t it?
There are constantly players who disprove this rule.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really wasn't a prospect though when he was overweight and threw 88
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 20, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, Hey-Zeus
he was good but i hear he couldnt hit a curveball…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't this happen like ALL THE TIME though?
I swear I read a Dispatch article once about how the Cardinals, at different points, could have or did draft Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy and either did not sign them or passed them up or some sort of thing.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols.
Every MLB club passed on him multiple times.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that too
But, more specifically, I meant guys getting drafted late in the draft out of hs or a JC or early in college and then a year or two later getting redrafted in the early rounds and becoming super prospects and major leaguers and things of that nature.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you are saying now.
It’s very true. Of course, how does one quanitfy what that college experience did for a player’s development?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then, whose to say that the college experience is better or worse than experience in the minors?
I mean, in the minors, it’s their JOB to play baseball, and other peoples’ jobs are to teach them baseball. So it should be better, in theory, to play professionally.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on the individual player.
It could help or hurt the player’s development to go to college as opposed to going pro.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm no
Riding on buses away from your friends where at least 1/3 of the team may or may not speak English^ from small town to small town where there may or may not be entertainment options—-all while getting paid in essentially meal money cannot possibly be as fun as college. (Yes that was one hell of a runon sentence) There’s no way.
^Not xenophobic, that’s the truth.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
College is def. more fun, I assume.
But, does it develop better ballplayers?
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah I misread that
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In retrospect, it's a bit misleading.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My personal favorite
As long as people are still having promiscuous sex with many anonymous partners without protection while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, I’ll be sound as a pound!
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Only sailors use condoms!"
“Not anymore, Austin!”
“Well they should, the filthy buggers, they go from port to port…”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin would survive
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ian Kennedy was drafted by the Cardinals
But they didn’t sign him. He is a player I highly covet personally.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bring back ideas for So's Sushi
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you all,
it’s going to be a combo sushi/memphis barbecue joint called So Food. It’s going to be awesome. “Yeah, can I get an eel ngiri and some collard greens?”
“Oh, you mean a number 6? Sure.”
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
They better find a good So chef.
I look forward to trying the Kobe-bi-back ribs.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmmmm
eeeeeeel
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would eat a pulled pork platter with chopsticks
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen pulled pork sushi before.
And would eat eat.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 19, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a spectacular restaurant in Cambridge called the East Coast Grill
Half the menu is BBQ, the other half is seafood.
Ordering from the raw bar with a side of corn bread is one of the greatest dining pleasures I’ve enjoyed on a regular basis.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume Cambridge, MA
I would think it would be an adventure to find a place to get cornbread anywhere in Massachusetts.
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's definitely not ideal, but every year living here makes it a little easier to frequent the "good" BBQ places in the area.
The lack of anything resembling decent Mexican (or Tex-Mex), is more troubling.
My fiancee (now wife) used to live in Texas, and the food was half the reason I kept visiting her (just kidding Rachel*).
*mostly
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some of the best barbecue in boston
Is in cambridge – maybe technically in somerville – but in davis square. Good cornbread too. Iced tea in a mason jar. Good stuff.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Oct 19, 2009 9:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
that's prolly red bones?
The main chef from there moved to east cost grill a few years back, but that’s still my BBQ choice as well (good beer list too).
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love sushi. I think I may have to have some for dinner.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 19, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interesting question to think about is:
SHOULD Luhnow and Dunc be on the same page when it comes to pitcher development?
My initial reaction is no, for several reasons, prominent among them being that if Luhnow does his job right, (some of) the guys he is drafting will be around long after Dunc has retired. In that case he clearly should be going after power arms and good athletes, whether they conform to Dunc’s way of doing things or not. But I can argue either side of this. Opinions?
by StanTheManFan on Oct 19, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
draft best player
regardless of organizational needs…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally agree with this position (e.g. in football)
but in baseball, is any determination of “best player available” in the draft ever accurate. The error in ranking players seems like it swamps the signal such that organizational need (which is know with fair precision) might warrant greater weighting.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but in baseball, unlike other sports
when said player gets to the majors what was your weakness might now be your strength because of the the time it takes to get to the Show. Whereas, you draft the best possible player he has a better chance of being good enough to play in the majors and if his position is occupied by someone better you can trade him in return major league ready talent that can strengthen that weakness…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it should be based on weaknesses in the ML team
but some consideration to the talent in the minors seems reasonable. I’m not advocating taking a lesser player just because you don’t have any SS in the system (*cough*Kozma*cough*), but given how much uncertainty there is in talent evaluation, I don’t think it should be completely ignored.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've bounced between sides on this, and I don't think there's one rule that sums it up.
In the first round, gaps between players are larger, so a ‘best player’ strategy makes more sense. And with the time it takes to develop a player in baseball, it’s hard to go another way.
However, in later rounds the gaps are pretty small, even late in the first round, so you can draft to your needs more then. The key is to remember to draft to your ORGANIZATIONAL needs more than just the major league ones, and when drafting toward Major League needs try to find a player that’s going to move quickly (Brett Wallace, for example) so it’s not so irrelevant by the time the player is ready.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals will have plenty of draft picks this year to reload the system
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully
we sure need it. Who are our top guys now? Miller and DJ? The trades and Wagner Mateo’s eye really killed our top 10.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia, Lynn and Craig are in the conversation too
but yes we took a hit
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but feel that the ignorance of Craig will carry over to prospect lists.
Maybe not fan-made ones, but I bet the more official ones do.
Perhaps there’s some sort of pervasive thinking amongst prospect evaluators (legitimate or not) that hasn’t been disclosed that somehow precludes Allen Craig from playing in the majors.
I say this, not because I think insiders are infinitely smarter, or that I have some inkling to what it might be, but because it’s too obvious that Craig should see major league action otherwise. I mean, he’s crushing the ball, and our offense and bench are mediocre. These guys are professionals, so they must have some reason that he doesn’t play, right? Maybe it’s just defensive concerns, but there must be something, logically.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive concerns.
Of course, that doesn’t stop them from shifting a LFer to second base and playing a second baseman at third. Most of what you read about Craig (and see from him, if you are lucky) at third would make him the rough equivalent of DeRosa at third base with the glove. Apparently, such levels of defensive skill are okay if you are a Proven Veteran but not if you’re a faberge egg.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't that mean there's another reason though?
Probably not, but it should, I think.
Because, if his defense is acceptable in the minors, then the only way you can know for sure how it would look in the majors is by seeing it firsthand IN THE MAJORS.
If he doesn’t make the team out of ST, then we’ll know for sure that something is up, I suppose.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It *should*
but I don’t think anyone here ever accused TLR of making every roster and personnel decision with a clearheaded, fact-based rationality.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too true.
But I feel silly relying on someone else’s potentially flawed logic in predicting future outcomes.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Allen Craig snorts cocaine and punches babies in his free time.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 19, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with punching babies?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...HE'S A SECRET CUB FAN.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 20, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dirty bastard
DFA Allen Craig
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 20, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
The issue in hand is that our minor league players are being tought to “throw themselves at home plate” Instead of being in control after the pitch is let go.
No one but the Cardinal minor leage teams are teaching the “throw yourself at home plate” method.
by Evilfrog on Oct 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Goldstein just broke my heart with this regarding Daryl Jones...
Maybe Jones is being punished for a bad year by getting plunked in three of his first four games for the Rafters, but it’s at least helping his on-base percentage, as he’s gone just 2-for-14. In a system desperate for anything after emptying the farm for a playoff run that lasted all of three games, Jones is somebody to follow, even if it is likely that he winds up no more than a nice bench outfielder.
This is especially harsh, considering KG has usually been a big fan of DJ Tools. Come on Daryl, make something happen!
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jones needs to take the fall and winters off
i hate that he is losing development but the he just needs to be healthy!!!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
So, when KG types “2-for-14” does he mean 2 hits in 14 ABs or 2 on-bases in 14 PAs? I only ask because his comma-filled sentence somewhat confused me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, two hits.
If KG was talking PAs and On-Base, he’d make sure to clarify. Not that he’s anti-OBP, per se, as much as his neutral gear is BA and ABs.
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My confusion
Here is why:
…getting plunked in three of his first four games for the Rafters, but it’s at least helping his on-base percentage, as he’s gone just 2-for-14…
If you are referencing OBP, it seems odd to cite to batting average in the same sentence.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I just looked at DJ’s stats the other day though, so I knew what he was talking about. Maybe if he threw made it, “2-for-14 at the plate”, that would help?
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
threw
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was plunked three times...
he’d already be 3-for-__ wouldn’t he?
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Oct 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admit it Dan
You’re really flying to Japan to recruit this guy for your slow pitch softball team.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally,
I’m hoping Dan’s going to recruit Sugiuchi Toshiya while he’s over there. Love that guy.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get Kaz Tadano too?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 19, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that link fourstick,
you just made my Dad’s day. Rob Johnson is a family friend, and it appears he is now the starting, not platoon catcher for the Mariners now.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There must be more money in Japan
than there used to be, because he left a lot of money on the table by declining those options.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was insulted quite honestly.
The top 3 pitchers on the staff pretty much insisted on pitching to Johnson. That contract made absolutely no sense either. The Mariners had arguably the deepest catching in the minors (Johnson, Clement, & Moore), and then they signed Kenji to that Albatross of a contract.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
I guess I would have exercised the option and then forced them to cut me, because then they’d have to pay me “stupid” money to play in Japan
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My inside source *
says that Johimja was absolutely pissed that he wasn’t getting the majority of the starts, and it didn’t look like that was going to change anytime soon. I agree that he should have let them cut him instead of walking away, but I’m not convinced that they would have. I believe the only reason they offered that contract, was to keep the fans (owners) in Japan happy.
*Inside source is family member of RJ’s, so take it for what it’s worth.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that 3-year contract was a PR move at the time.
And, as an Iowan, signing him instead of playing the state high school HR champion confused me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
but I already offered this guy ten years, $252 million.
by DanUpBaby on Oct 19, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money well spent!
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by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joh has nothing on this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8aIqocqqEE
Check out the first pitch from that video. Softball star in the making!
(That’s Yusei Kikuchi, FYI.)
by mojowo11 on Oct 19, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pondering this afternoon
Cage match.
Chris Carpenter v. Cliff Lee.
Who walks out alive?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Carp.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp.
Lee is an awesome pitcher, but no match for the power of a luggage beating.
When the fall is all that's left, it matters a great deal.
by the red baron on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoever wins
I just feel bad for the cage
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is the correct answer
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there luggage in the cage?
Can you bring luggage in the cage?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the only way Lee stands a chance...
Foreign objects. Remember that Carp has named his fists “luggage.” Hence, the St. Louis Cardinals, LLC’s account of Ludwick’s black eye.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless my fangraphs search is bad, it seems they have never faced each other in a game.
Cliff Lee is listed at 6’3" 190
Carp is listed at 6’6" 230
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would not take that puney man
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't they earlier this year?
Pretty sure I was there. Lee alomost threw a no-hitter. Indians won. Don’t remember the score.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they did too
I was looking and looking for it. might have some search-fail on my part
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They definitely did.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, i know what happened
plays are only listed batter v. pitcher. that was an AL game, wasn’t it?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid AL base-ball.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did.
The Indians destroyed us on Sunday Night Baseball. DeRosa hit a HR off of Carp and that was all Lee needed. It was the most excruciating game to watch…until October baseball.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aha, that's right
DeRo was later afraid of joining the Cardinals because of Carp.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just in: CHRIS CARPENTER RESPONSIBLE FOR BOOOOOOOG.
By all accounts, Ryan matured as a player and teammate. He muzzled his chatterbox tendencies in the field because Chris Carpenter, for example, frowns on fraternizing with opponents who reach second base. It was Carpenter who later said he had never pitched with a better fielding shortstop behind him. La Russa has said Ryan’s range is among the best of shortstops he’s managed.
this is Carp’s team.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have it any other way
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're still the evillest.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if anyone has brought this up, I've been a little VEBMIA since the disastrous NLDS
Everyone said this year’s team was different from recent versions because we didn’t have a backbreaking late-season skid. Well, we lost our last six games in a row of the season, does that count as backbreaking? Also lost 11 of our last 13.
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who do you mean by
Everyone
??
I think it was pretty well documented at VEB that a lot of us were worried about the poor September showing.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I feel like some people pointed out we didn’t have an extended losing streak. Maybe everyone was too all-encompassing of a word to use :P
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible
Lol god I hate espn. They say arod is doing good because he is humble from admitting roids. Fucking sensationalist morons.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Oct 19, 2009 4:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
OT - Google Wave
Has anyone here been invited to join the beta for Google Wave yet?
If so, and you have an invite to spare, I’d really appreciate if you’d send one to me at fourstick@gmail.com.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love an invite as well...
but i’ll save posting my email address until i see if anyone actually has one to offer
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Oct 19, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine's already posted in my profile....
so it’s not like it’s private anyway. Plus, Gmail does a kick-ass job with spam reduction.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I think you're one of the most consistently quality users here
You can have one of my remaining invites.
By the way, these invites take FOREVER to come through, so don’t be surprised if it takes a week or more for the invite to show up in your inbox. It took one of my invites about 4-5 days, and the other one a week and a half or so.
Being best friends with a couple Google employees has its perks, I guess.
by mojowo11 on Oct 19, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt about the perks...
Thanks mojo! I really do appreciate it.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 20, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's google wave?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Oct 20, 2009 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 20, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the future
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Taguchi released!
get on it, Mo.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coach So
has a nice ring. maybe roving OF instructor. but, of lineup, rotation, pen, and bench, our greatest weakness was bench (it was laughable) and i would like to see that strengthened. No to So on roster.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it, P-D
article “Schumaker hasn’t skipped beat in move to 2nd” is gone, gone gone. unless it’s through the pay to read archives.
I guess only my man stew quotes here on veb remain. phooey.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
woohoo!
you’ve helped save the season. should’ve thought of that.
would you do us the massive favor of finding “Cardinals starters grow mustaches for fun, luck”…?
I always effin forget which are blogs that keep forever and which are feature article reprints that are yanked after a measly two weeks
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here y’are
And in the teaching-one-to-fish segment of today’s post, if you just search for that in google, then click the little “Cached” link under the search result, you’re golden.
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, duh, that's what I was doing
I was coming out of delicious, not google. for some reason I thought they weren’t cached…. but it helps to be on the right website. [facepalm]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh. No wonder Boog called them out for quitters.
“I will grow a mustache bigger than Wyatt Earp’s if we keep winning,” insisted Wainwright.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this has been posted before but..
“I woke up one morning and was walking downstairs and she came flying out of nowhere with one of those nose and ear trimmer things and tried to clip it,” Wainwright said.
hahahahaha
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I just got a chuckle at that one too
though if Tombstone is our guide, I’d be shooting for Virgil’s mustache
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's also a great deal on FSM that just didn't make it
I tried to type fast and get it on VEB for those outside range, but some nights….
and then the effin Guys in the Truck would never, ever rerun the good packages. Or they’d cut out all the good parts.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if ever there was a Cardinals season in recent memory I'd want as a book or movie, it's 09
talk about characters. it was entertaining at least.
(new post for minty fresh thread)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you read this?
Some characters on that Gashouse Gang there were…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to start an offseason reading list
budget willing. I have next to no book-buying budget this year, so I’m hoping the library cooperates.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VEB book exchange?
everyone buys one book and we just ship them around
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be great
some of those books are way out of my grocery budget, geez.
though my only contributions might be magazines, which are rather fragile. hmm.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as the pages arent stuck together...
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Yadi would appreciate that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea...
and I have Amazon Prime :-)
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 19, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda want to buy that book just for the subtitle
by brackenthebox on Oct 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's so wonderfully gratuitous
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see moar footage of the Gashouse Gang
the 5-second clips are not enough. I want a goshdarned newsreel.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we did capture some of the FSM moments
thanks to stlhulsey
And sometimes I did catch some good stuff:
Nine family members showed up during the L.A. games with the Respect the Redbird Stache t-shirts. (Enablers.)
That was the day he said he was going for the Rollie Fingers look. (Also in that thread, someone says they’d date a Ryan sister. Fair warning.)
(note to self, number 3 item to add to the Boog Sampler.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, Vlad's not clutch
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This game is all about the HR.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or all the baserunners he left on base the previous game
but yes, clutch has little to do with it, but vlad is a shell of his former self
by FunkeeC on Oct 19, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This does not bode well.
Via MLBTR; Boras: “Holliday = Teixeira”
There’s no way he gets that money, but it looks like he’ll easily price himself out of the Cardinals’ plans.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am all for Boras
I think his clients usually are best served and his tactics are necessary in the game. That said, I think he totally violates his ethical and fiduciary duties to his clients sometimes.
For instance, this offseason he will have to find homes for both Holliday and Damon. Being that they are both LFers, aren’t they competing against each other for limited team resources? Granted they aren’t of the same talent level, but there is some conflict of interest there.
The problem was even worse last year when he had Teix and Manny competing for limited dollars for top tier FAs. It’s not like one team could sign both of them – essentially what was good for Manny was bad for Teix and vice versa to some degree. Basically if he represents two FAs of similar talent levels or positions, a conflict has to exist somewhere.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 19, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
but if you’re a FA in that situation, would you strongly prefer having another agent go up against Boras?
Actually…maybe, if you’re in a position to deal with a club that would like to spite Boras.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i am assuming we are going to be getting draft picks for Holliday until seeing the headlines saying otherwise
and am hopeful of a good plan ‘b’ in place by Mo and company
by FunkeeC on Oct 19, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday != Texeira
1. Softer defense.
2. Softer in the clutch.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Holliday > Texeira
Probably.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stats don't agree
Over the course of his career, he’s been basically average defensively at first. It’s possible that he’s actually been good, and UZR is undervaluing him for some reason, but it’s unlikely.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great at receiving throws
in this series. don’t know about batted balls, with range, hands, etc. Is ability to pick-em and stay on bag considered in ratings?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 19, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks and moves like a real 1B
Even has the stretch.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no stats or numbers to back it up
but i’ve watched a lot of Tex, and he’s a really underrated 1stbaseman. he’s worked very hard on his D the past two years & it’s really paying off.
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it may be undervaluing him some
Just based on his ability to dig balls out of the dirt at 1B, but most good first basemen do this anyway. I’m not sure how much of a difference it would make or how you would measure it.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Oct 20, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2.
Softer in the crotch.
lol…too soon?
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joba needs some PFP
keep on gawking
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Timely hitting?
What’s that?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
something arod invented for the yankees this postseason
by FunkeeC on Oct 19, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like he had it in him all along!
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought we were hosting the home rub derby this year....
/second snarky comment in a row
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a good home rub
cannot be beat….
/rimshot
by FunkeeC on Oct 19, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there should still be one of these every day, even if it's the off season
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now with typos!
jk
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn, reply fail
I deserved it.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu fail0rz
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they play The Pretender on the loudspeaker
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh feel so clean
Just formatted and reinstalled windows on my laptop. Should of done it awhile ago
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ya got me a student pricing upgrade for windows 7 64 bit
coming to me on thursday, will be doing the reformat thing on my home pc. finally will i get to use all of my 4gig ’o ram
by FunkeeC on Oct 19, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish i could get that
Wasn’t it only $30?
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have 8 gig just waiting......
It really sux.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you need 8 gig for?
I have 4 GB and with a quad core. Memory has never been an issue doing anything.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless you doing some monster photoshopping
or some graphics rendering or the like im not sure what you would need that for
by FunkeeC on Oct 19, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I can!
Actually, it was a cheap upgrade in a barebones kit, something like 40 bucks to go from 4 – 8 gig. I will never use it, but I have it…..
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news and Bad news:
Good: I found a website that lets you put NFL team logos in the stitch letters (on those Greek letter shirts).
Bad: No baseball and I can’t decide whether or not I actually want one.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how easy this will be to understand:
You design your own letter shirt here. Some of the choices are NFL team logos.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really can't decide.
On one hand it’s awesome. On the other hand it’s not nearly as awesome as baseball. I mean can you imagine that with STL’s or Birds on the bat, amazing! But no, only handegg. I really don’t know if I like the Rams or Colts enough to get a letter shirt with them on it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found one that lets me do the Cardinals!
Success!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout you hook us up with a link?
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y'all can't buy it.
I can’t get the link to work so it shows up already made.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of you could.
If you’re Greek.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you prove you are greek online?
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't.
But it would be not considered okay to wear a Greek letter shirt if you are not an initiated member of that fraternity or sorority.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i'm part irish, german & french, what does that get me?
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This:
+
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a crappy shirt & a crappy beer?
that sucks
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
story of my life
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saint Patrick's day is the greatest day of the year
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've never gotten into st pattie's day
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halloween is a close second
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halloween is pretty amazing also
Only day of the year I can have a beard
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also the only day of the year women can dress like complete whores
and nobody will judge them
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Till the morning
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know how girls say
“oh I shouldn’t have slept with that guy last night?”
We can be that mistake!!!
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not all of us
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you find her adams apple...
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that reminds me
The Lady’s Halloween Costume Idea Generator
Have fun with it.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should be a sexy cat.
But it doesn’t tell me how.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it told me the same thing
i hope we don’t run into each other at a party, that would be awkward
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it may just say that.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you put in "overweight"
It just says “Cat”
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sad.
I wonder if it changes for ethnicity.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does not.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wearing a Top Hat, wearing a monocle,
wearing a Tuxedo, holding a cane, and while I have a Rollie Fingers mustache for my custome
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going as The Dude
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monopoly Man?
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds classy
Like the opening of a car dealership
by brackenthebox on Oct 20, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its such a bad joke
I kinda feel bad for posting it. I think I’m more amused that they had the guile to post something so dumb than the joke itself.
Which reminds me of Norm MacDonald. Someone posted the 3rd part of his appearance of Conan back in 1997 but watch the whole thing (first part here). You’ll die. He’s just so pleased with himself after telling some of the dumbest jokes, which is what makes it all funny.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give up. How?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 19, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
screen shot?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how to do that.
I did it once but I forgot how. And then I don’t know how to put it on here. If you explain it to me I can try it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ctrl+prtsc
then paste in paint, save, etc
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a Mac.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Search for Grab in the finder
open it then select whichever screenshot you like from the toolbar. Save the file and you have it.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will it post here just by doing that?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no you'll have to put it on photobucket or something like that
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't work.
I did it another way before.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. take the screenshot
2. save the file to your computer
3. open safari
4. tinypic.com
5. click browse
6. find the file
7. get the link
8. post it
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figured it out:
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is pretty cool
i’d go for it
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be cool if we could see the whole thing
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the whole thing.
The rest of the shirt is just blue.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not what i meant
all i saw was half a K till i switched to the wide view now & see a KA8
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for Visual
I had no clue what you were talking about
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured.
It’s much easier to say out loud for some reason.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree if you said it out loud
I doubt i could hear you
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, nvm
stick with the mac
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
buy a pc, then
ctrl+prtsc
then paste in paint, save, etc
or just continue to fail
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the Colts one:
It’s better quality.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
booooo
Which Colt do you think is Hot?
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None.
I like the Mannings. They’re funny. And they have pretty uniforms. The Rams one looks really cool.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other Manning plays for the Giants
no the Rams silly girl
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
But I’m more a Rams fan than a Giants fan.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably forgetting something, but I don't think I can remember a non-pitcher substitution
in the middle of an inning that didn’t involve an injury, like the Yankees just did. I don’t have any idea what the rules are about it.
by BTown Birds fan on Oct 19, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rays had to do it this year due to Madden accidentally penciling in two 3b.
Sonnastine had to bat third and promptly hit an RBI double.
Before that I have no memory of it either though.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not watching the game
but this happened this year:
soriano forced to play second late in game. middle of inning, groundball hitter to right side comes up, pinella, from dugouot, switches soriano to third and fox from third to second.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Oct 19, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Rivera's postseason numbers just aren't fair
He must have sold his soul to Postseason Satan. Angels have a runner on 3rd with no outs and he gets out of it.
by BTown Birds fan on Oct 19, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few of his craziest career postseason numbers
WHIP – 0.76
K:BB – 5.72
HR/9 – 0.14 (2 HR in 124.1 IP)
ERA – 0.72
by BTown Birds fan on Oct 19, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One pitch, I just don't get it
Can’t these teams get one of their 6 figure cost pitching machines to throw Rivera copied cutter after cutter to practice on?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just his overall career numbers, as crazy as they are given his repertoire
His career postseason numbers are almost uniformly better (in some cases quite a bit better) than his career regular season numbers, as good as those are. And it’s not like he’s just had a few good postseason series or years – he’s done almost two years’s worth of pitching just in the postseason based on his career regular season averages. (More than 10% of his career IP have come in the postseason!! That is so freaking insane!!)
I’m slightly surprised that Girardi just took him out after 1 IP and 17 pitches; but I guess he did just go 2.1 innings and 25 pitches two nights ago.
by BTown Birds fan on Oct 19, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was really dumb for him to be taken out, that's why they lost
that & hairston can’t play LF
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariano, along with pretty much every person that has been associated with the Yankees
for about the last 40 yrs. And I do believe that its not just their postseason souls. I think there is some very fine print that Steinbrenner has had placed in every contract…or invisible ink that shows up when its time for payment
by buzzburton33 on Oct 19, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for geez, Angels.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Angels!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ANGELS WIN ANGELS WIN
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
F.I.N.A.L.L.Y.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Oct 19, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck yes
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 19, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From Strauss
JoeStrauss In Tue. P-D, John Mozeliak has some interesting things to say re: Cards 3B situation for 2010. May change your assumptions. #stlcards
(Strauss)
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ALLEN CRAIG!!!
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 19, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the world is ready for that.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bud selig won't let marti play until he's 75
just to level the playing field
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be nice if he said we think we can fill the position within the organization among craig, freese, and mather
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
f'in struass
6ly, i’ve grown to hate that man
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought 6ly has been laid to rest
/comment police
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will continue to say 6ly no matter what anyone says.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i 6ly won't let it die, just try & stop me!
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I only get to see 24 minutes of HOUSE
because these AL teams can’t figure out how to score another effing run, I’m gonna be pissed.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 19, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
luckily i fixed my DVR to record an hour over the normal time for House
just in case…sometimes i do things right!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent episode tonight
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 19, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
but still not enough Cameron…she is leaving in a couple weeks and they cant give her a few more lines? other than that it was great
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried they are going to effectively nueter House.
I kinda miss the pill popping Vicodin ways. If he gets too nice it will ruin the show.
As for Cameron, I’m just happy to have the old team back. I don’t know how they are going to move the show forward after she leaves. As much as I enjoyed the season 4 storyline, I couldn’t take it again.
I still love the show though.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Oct 20, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too nice?
that may be relative to his old ways but he is hardly nice…i love the whole im hearing voices spiel to Wilson trying to make him feel bad even though he was the one eavesdropping and the rounds although i thought they could have shown more of that.
i am trying to enjoy the whole Chase angle but i just dont care enough about him to be into it. if it had happened to Foreman or Cameron i think i could get into it more.
i am much happier with the old crew as opposed to 13 and Taub…i must admit i miss Kutner although i think i am in the minority there…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that groundcrew is like eff this, get your butts off our field.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jaramillo off the table and across the div.
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/4998048724
who else?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To the Cubs?!
That royally sucks.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i posted it before when it was a prelim deal
everyone continued to talk about him as an option….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why couldn't we have offered him 1M?
Probably gonna keep Hal anyway.
/kicks the dirt
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
scratch that
nasa. Not so worried anymore
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could still be watching you
lobbing rockets at you
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PARFECT GAEM!!!!111
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just watched Wayne Brady on Dave Chapelle
I forgot how funny that show was.
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh the old sketch?
I love that one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For pure humor I'd be hard pressed to think of a funnier guy.
The race draft and the black KKK member are fucking funny.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 19, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Among the funniest shows ever really
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it came than went
It seemed like for a few years people watched and talked about the Chapelle show all the time, than nothing
by FlimtotheFlam on Oct 19, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he went to Africa.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was joking about that on a talk show awhile back.
Evidently his wife wasn’t too happy with him leaving all that money on the table.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that he gets most if not all of the DVD sales.
And at one time they were the largest selling DVDs,
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 19, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Hmm
I thought he was offered 15M to re-up his show before he left.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was that movie, too, wasn't there?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a butt load of money he turned down
but he has the rights to the shows DVD sales, or that’s what I recall.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 19, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have been to Africa
it is not nice enough to walk away from $50MM
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know a missionary who's on furlough from the ivory coast
she could not disagree more with you. she loves it out there
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh it is freakin awesome
but $50 million could by a lot of ivory coast trips and in Dave’s case a lot of reefer…do people still use that word?
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will always thank DC for the
night I watched a good buddy tell a cop that cocaine’s a helluva drug, and that he was “Rick James bitch”
/Tequila is a helluva drug.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really thinking about it
I don’t know if I’d be more excited to watch any comedy than if Chappelle came back.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His standup is also among the best
The AIDS monkey bit is just classic.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're trapped! You're trapped!
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 19, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Nah man I'm cool, I'm gonna stay here and chill with my monkey"
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mo' monkey [female parts] for me!
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Officer, I'm a little high, and I'm lookin for 3rd street"
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip and new manager
I know the odds of Tony coming back are good but do you think a “new” manager would keep Skip at second or look for a traditional second sacker?
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 19, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
keep him at 2b
would be a fool not to
if skip were a free agent 2b, he would be a type a
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not
because he’s still classified as an outfielder. but if he were in the 2b/3b/ss category, i think he would be. or at least damn close. i don’t know how exactly elias rankings are calculated, but yuni escobar is the lowest rater type a in that category for a type a and skip has pretty comparable numbers
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
If Jose Oquendo is the manager, he will play 2nd :)
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Oct 19, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already Tivoed.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 19, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now....
before last season it was a pretty good show….then it became completely contrived.
Its so upsetting because House is such an interesting character that they could explore so thoroughly. They should just drop the case of the week structure and turn it into a character study. It’d serve the show so well.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dexter might be heading down a similar road too unfortunately
This past episode was disappointingly predictable.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never watched it...
but they’re all streaming on Netflix so I may have to give it a shot.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First three seasons are epic
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Oct 19, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought
season 3 paled in comparison to the first two
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't seen the new ep yet
will watch tonight, but so far, season 4 seems well better than season 3
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, what shows aren't contrived?
Not including History Channel and the others we wouldn’t have watched as kids are there any good shows on?
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Oct 19, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess all premises are contrived, which I have no problem with...
what I have an issue with is when the story developments are contrived just for the sake of prolonging the series…..“hey house loses his whole team.” “hey let’s have a survivor style contest to figure out who the new team is” “hey kutner kills himself” (and I know Kal Penn leaving was outside the writers’ hands…they still could’ve done something subtler)
I want more of House sticking a fork in a electrical socket to see if he can experience the after life and not this BS.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the reality shows are all contrived
watch the cooking shows. you can’t fake yumminess. or umami. whatever.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the wire
carnivale
first two seasons of dexter
i got nothin else
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i recently finished season 2 and went into a state of depressed seclusion. i just don’t get why they would cancel what probably would have been the best series of all time. just fantastic writing, cinematography, everything, really
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's still the reason I refuse to watch anything on HBO
what pissed me off the most is that they say they gave us a conclusion. I fucking hate HBO
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 20, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm holding out hope the Sporanos is coming back
they could have done & should have done so much more with that show
it does still have good stuff to watch though. True Blood, Big Love, Entourage, Curb, Hung. they’re all worth watching.
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by gdm426 on Oct 20, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people day that
I still boycott
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 20, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never got into curb till they did the Seinfled reunion this season
i always hated larry david way over the topness.
and i don’t pay for HBO since the Sopranos ended. all their shows are online within hours of airing, so there’s no point in paying for them
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by gdm426 on Oct 21, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
conclusion my ass
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 21, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and twin peaks
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
house hasn't been good since season 3 ended
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pissed they are making him a nice normal person
hell that’s why the show was awesome. he’s was a crazy pissed off mad man. now it just sucks. i don’t care that the Aussie killed a dictator & hid it. the guy should have been killed. stupid stupid show.
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no idea what you're talking about
when 75% of the cast changed, i stopped watching. saw one episode beyond season 3 and that was plenty
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like what they have done with his character
being a doped up jerk who doesnt care about even the people closest too him ALL the time makes the audience not care for him and turns him into the villian eventually as opposed to the anti-hero. he is still very manipulative and gets his own way no matter what but now he doesnt steal drugs under his best friends name.
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the sopranos did it well for six seasons
and it was a great series
house writers just ran out of stuff to write about
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by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the deal with Mattingly's lower lip?
Looks like he’s got a dangling loogie.
by thepainguy on Oct 19, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
aw, Belli
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
manny!
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whoa.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
manny being carlos beltran
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
manny being carlos beltran
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf. since when did "post preview" = post twice
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Rumored agreement that the Royals have agreed to trade Greinke to the Brewers for Gamel, Hardy, Parra, and Angel Salome.
However, nobody can be this stupid. If the trade idea has been linked, then it probably has fallen through anyway. I’ve tried looking it up somewhere, but the Bleacher Report is the only palce i have seen it (Not very credible). Anyone hear anything about this? This makes them a legit team to worry about next season.
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Oct 19, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no way this is true....
teams can’t start trading for at least another month. no way this would leak this early even if it was true.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even the royals aren't this dumb. they could get so much more from him if they put him on the open market
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can start talking about trading
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whew, i thought werth just hit another home run
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by gdm426 on Oct 19, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dammit Broxton
John Smoltz for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by jd is legend on Oct 19, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's the whole f****** series
right there.
They went from a best of three with home field advantage to having to sweep.
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Oct 19, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I gather I am the only happy person right now.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate the east coast so very f'ing much
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by gdm426 on Oct 20, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
phuck the fillies
oh wait…doesn’t really work there
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hehe
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 19, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotdmn jimmy rollins
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by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What goes around comes around!!!
OMG
Posted by: Remember Gil Hodges | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
Oops.
Posted by: Bob Hendley | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
My heart is broken.
Posted by: Alex41592 | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
Time for a single malt…..or ten.
Posted by: Eagle Rock Jeff | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
series
Posted by: Jonathan | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
series
Posted by: Jonathan | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
Mmpfff.
Posted by: fordprefect | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
I hate baseball.
I hate everything right now.
I need a hug.
Posted by: underdog | October 19, 2009 at 08:53 PM
Brox isn’t a great closer guys…has great speed, but he doesn’t have the heart. Oh well, time to start watchin’ the Lakers!
Posted by: lavidalaker | October 19, 2009 at 08:55 PM
Fat pig chokes again
Posted by: Tom | October 19, 2009 at 08:55 PM
MB for LF in 2010!
by guayzimi on Oct 19, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
closers need heart
and experience
and the will to win
and intestinal fortitude…those are the only requirments
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so has every closer choked now?
…..except. uh.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 20, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
f'in GOB's
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by gdm426 on Oct 20, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
time to elect new GOBs?
my first nominee…Joe Morgan
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 20, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not a democracy
it’s fascism
read the f’in post
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 20, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if I try hard enough and disregard humanity enough
I can be a GOB?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 20, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you willing to eat the still beating hearts of (redacted)?
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by gdm426 on Oct 20, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Straussie elects to end our twitter blue balls
and the answer is…. MR FREESE. and maybe everybody else. perhaps. depending on spring training.
it’s the curse of Scott Rolen, I tells ya….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 20, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If there has ever been a quote that screams FREE ALLEN CRAIG
Its this…..
“We have to look at the make-up of our club and how everything comes together between now and next spring.. But given the second half that he had in Triple-A and how he played up here, it’s my preference to give David a chance to win the job,” says Mozeliak.
Dear Mo,
What about my second half?
Sincerely,
Allen
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 20, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 20, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i liked the article
and i like the philosophy mo is taking regarding derosa. anything more than offering arb is a mistake
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i personally feel he should feel the same about Lego
but i’m kooky like that
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 20, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd like to see him back
but i doubt we can afford him. wish we knew what albert had in mind
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when Albert starts paying other players salary, i'll start caring a little more about what he thinks
till that day comes, i really don’t care what he thinks. he should either sign an extension or tell MO to trade him. until one of those things happens, he should be very careful how he address’s who the team signs or does not sign. he holds almost the entire franchise’s future in his hands. he better take that great responsibility very, very 6ly & watch what he says.
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by gdm426 on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i care what he thinks
with regard to his own future with the org. if albert is gone beyond 2011, we really need to retain holliday
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is such bullshit
BULLSHIT i say!!!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that didn't change my assumptions at all, strauss
that was my assumption all along
now, if craig gets a legit shot at 3b, that would surprise me and change my assumtpions
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 20, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is the best use of blue balls
i have heard all day…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
somebody give me a southpark episode to watch....
and perhaps not one of the more famous ones. I’m finally realizing just how damn brilliant the show is and am watching the episodes in a sorta random order.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 20, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Succubus....
or underwear gnomes…perhaps my fav.
"Everyone in here comes to the yard ready to play every day. I’ll take this group, any day until the day I die."
"This whole Cardinals thing.....I don’t know if you guys are a believer, but I’m a believer."
~ Ryan Fucking Ludwick
by RiverRat on Oct 20, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
succubus it is as i've seen underwear gnomes
thx
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 20, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd watch the movie, personally
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 20, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crab people! Crap people!
Offseason Rumors : Me :: Unicorn Blood : Voldemort
by Cardinals645 on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where have you been for the last 12 years?
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i've watched it...just never on a consistent basis
so i’m trying to fill in the blanks between all the episodes i’ve already seen.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
by slu on Oct 20, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i enjoyed imaginationland I,II and III
mostly because i liked to identify all of the made up characters from my childhood…LONG LIVE ORKO!!!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Cartman becomes a ginger
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Oct 20, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, wow
my mind completely rearranged the letters in that last word. i was thinking, “man, this is not going to go over well”
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 20, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just...
wow.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 20, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to imagine David Brent (from the British office) reading that article
Carrot-top, copper-top, ginger-nut, ginger minger, bluey (among Australians), Duracell, Ronald McDonald, Simply Red, Queen Elizabeth. And so on for hours and hours of the typical redhead’s life. No wonder some gloss over their hair colour as “auburn” and “strawberry blonde” and even “titian”
by brackenthebox on Oct 20, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that does make it a whole lot funnier
and it is funny to begin with!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Oct 20, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginger minger sounds really funny that way.
Just seems like something he would say.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Oct 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
addendum to original post
Adam Wainwright joined the Hot Corner this morning and, when asked about what makes a great pitcher, quotes Crash: “Strikeouts are fascist.”
http://twitter.com/dgoold/statuses/3798806704
http://www.101espn.com/post/18534_adam_wainwright_joins_the_hot_corner_9609/audio
Just in case someone from the future thinks this is about A.D.A.M.’s mustache.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 20, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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