VEB Awards for the 2009 season
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 1, 2009 10:08 PM EDT
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As the (fantastic) 2009 regular season comes to an end, I thought it would be a good idea to roll out our postseason awards. Per VEP's suggestions, we will house them here in the fanposts section rather than under fanshots. We will also follow vivaelpujols suggestion and combine voting for Cy Young, MVP, and Rookie of the year all in this one space. Of course, we will limit all voting to the league that requires all players to bring both their bats and their gloves. We'll leave those heathens on the other side to the fate they deserve, and let the baseball writers have the final word with them. The fine upstanding citizens in the NL deserve better, and this is where we come in. I'm sure, in due time, the lucky recipients of our awards will feel a sense of honor and accomplishment that the BBWAA simply cannot provide....at least not as long as the likes of Tom Haudricourt are there!
We'll mirror the system the writers use in deciding winners, however. Keep me honest with this, but I believe Cy Young and ROY voters rank their top 3 choices with a value of 5,3,1 points. MVP voters rank their top 10 choices with values at 14,9,8,7....
We'll also want to try to keep the formats similar to each other in our votes as well. Put your rankings at the top of your post, and any support behind it below your ranks just to make sure they are read. If possible, put all 3 awards on the same post. I guess if you want to sit out a category for some reason just give the ones you want to vote on, but it will be much easier to tabulate if you keep it all comprehensive on one post.
I had my thoughts on the Cy Young pretty well established, but have not thought out the MVP (other than the obvious winner - to everyone but Tom Haudricourt) in much great detail yet....so I am going to sit on the sidelines here for a day or so until I get a chance to dig in.
Remember to try to vote with your head rather than your heart, and we'll see who the VEB community decides to bestow these most treasured honors to.
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Oh okay...
MVP:
Pujols
Ramirez
Lincecum
Utley
Zimmerman
Carp
D Lee
Tulowitzki
Sandoval
A Gonzalez
Cy:
Lincecum
Carp
Vazquez
ROY:
Happ
Coghlan
Fowler
Why? Because I said so!
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by guayzimi on Oct 1, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP: Pujols
CY: Wainwright
ROY: Happ
Manager: Tracy
Comeback: Carpenter
Excutive: Mozelak
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 1, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cy Young might be just a little bit biased on this blog :)
NL Cy Young:
Chris Carpenter
Tim Lincecum
Adam Wainwright
NL Rookie of the Year:
J.A. Happ
Tommy Hanson
Chris Coghlan
MVP:
Take a guess who’s number 1 :)
Hanley Ramirez
Prince Fielder
Ryan Howard
Chase Utley
Chris Carpenter
Matt Kemp
Ryan Braun
Tim Lincecum
Troy Tulowitzki
And just because….
Comeback Player of the Year- Carpenter
Executive- Mozeliak made a lot of moves and looks like a genius, as opposed to the guy running SF
Manager-Jim Tracy is almost as certain as Pujols being MVP.
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Oct 1, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody...
that doesn’t put Lincecum #1 is hopelessly biased. The only NL starter in the last 10 years to have a lower FIP than Lincecum 2009 is Randy Johnson. Not only is he better than anyone else this year, he’s better than almost all of the Cy Young winners in recent memory
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by guayzimi on Oct 1, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wainwright leads in SNLVAR.
different metrics, different results.
by nycbirdo on Oct 2, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason
Lincecum leads in FIP is because of strikeouts. I really don’t like how heavily strikeouts are valued in FIP. Look at this example:
(Lincecum) 10.42 K/9 2.72 BB/9 3.84 K/BB .40 HR/9 2.34 FIP
(Greinke) 9.55 K/9 1.97 BB/9 4.84 K/BB .44 HR/9 2.31 FIP
The HR rates are practically identical as well as the FIPs, but the first pitcher has a significantly higher walk rate and a slightly higher strikeout rate. Why are the FIP numbers the same? Honestly, I’d take the 4.84 K/BB over the 3.84 K/BB with an extra strikeout every game or two any day. FIP is good for some things, but it is not a perfect statistic, and I’m tired of everyone acting like it is.
As far as the Cy Young voting goes, it’s a toss up. The way I see it, this award should be based on results. I don’t see why ERA has become such a frowned upon statistic around here. ERA is not predictive whatsoever, and is dependent on the defense. However, pitchers pitch to a defense! If Wainwright and Carpenter didn’t think that Brendan Ryan would gobble up every single GB, I bet they’d come out with a different gameplan. When we are looking at a season in retrospect to hand out an award, I think it’s fair to look at ERA because it is the simplest meause of how sucessful a pitcher was over the course of a season. We don’t say “player X doesn’t deserve the MVP because he had a high BABIP,” so I don’t think we should do the same for pitchers because they have a high FIP-ERA differential.
Once you see that all three (Lincecum, Carpenter, and Wainwright) have comparable ERAs, I’d look at innings. That, to me, knocks Carpenter out of the running, despite the fact that I’d put him out there over Lincecum or Wainwright in a must win game.
Once it’s down to those two, it’s pretty subjective for me. We all look at it through the perspective of Cardinal fans so our opinions are skewed. My thought is that I’d rather have Wainwright on the mound in game 7 than Lincecum. When you combine that with the fact that they have gotten similar results this year, I have to give the award to Wainwright.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Oct 2, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I fail to see why so many are stumbling over themselves to crown Lincecum while berating others who don’t agree.
It’s a subjective fucking award. Where in the voting bylaws for the Cy Young does it say that the award must go to the lowest FiPer or pitcher with the highest WAR?
I don’t have to vote for Miss Texas just because she’s 36-24-36. I can vote for Miss Iowa just because I think she’s got a cute face, even if I think she’ll get fat after popping out two kids in a couple of years.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 5, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the internets. that's what people do
I am not gonna lose sleep over it though. I really don’t care which of those 3 win.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My votes (off the top of my head)
So I’ve probably left someone really obvious off the MVP voting.
ROY:
1) Happ
2) Hanson
3) McGehee
Cy Young:
1) Lincecum
2) Wainwright
3) Javier Vasquez
MVP:
1) Pujols
…..
………
…………
(daylight)
2) Utley
3) Ramirez
4) Zimmerman
5) Lincecum
6) Fielder
7) Waino
8) A Gonzalez
9) Braun
10) Carp
Comeback:
Carpenter
Manager:
Tracy
Executive:
Amaro, much as it pains me to say it. The Ibanez deal (and not picking up Pat the Bat again) looks very nice in retrospect, and the haul given up to get Cliff Lee (after they didn’t pony up a LOT more for the same amount of Roy Halladay) was pretty weak. A couple of decent FAT additions, too. I also think Neal Huntington has done a reasonable job restocking the Pirates, despite a lack of tradeable commodities (though he should’ve gotten more for McLouth. Obviously, the Sanchez-for-Alderson move was a massive coup, and I think the trade with the Nats was a good one, as was dumping Jack Wilson and Ian Snell for something useful. Ned Colletti’s had a decent year too, but I really can’t give it to him.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 2, 2009 3:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NL AWARDS
MVP: Albert Pujols (by a landslide)
CY YOUNG: Adam Wainwright
Manager: Jim Tracy
Rookie of the Year: J.A. Happ
Comeback player of the year: Chris Carpenter (By a landslide)
Executive: John Mozeliak. I admit I was tough on him over the winter…but he has shown me he has what it takes to an effective GM. Well deserved for Mo.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Oct 2, 2009 5:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fun stuff
Cy Young:
Lincecum
Wainwright
Carpenter
ROY:
Coughlan
Happ
Wells
MVP:
Pujols
Ramirez
Utley
Sandoval
Tulowitzki
Lincecum
Kemp
Fielder
Lee
Wainwright
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
by indakind on Oct 2, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
k
mvp:
albert
cy:
waino
roy:
happ (sorry, colbs!)
comeback:
carp of course
exec:
mo
very cardinal heavy
other cardinal awards would
gg:
colby
boog
albert
yadi
ss:
albert
lego
roberto clemente:
albert
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 2, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i suck at rules
disregard this and i’ll submit a legit ballot
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Oct 3, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go:
MVP:
Ryan Howard…Just kidding! APu
Ramirez
Fielder
Ethier
Tulowitzski
Utley
Zimmerman
Braun
Lincecum
Upton
ROY:
Happ
Fowler
Coghlan
CY:
Waino
Lincecum
Carp
No longer patiently awaiting. Raz has arrived.
by RunninRedbird on Oct 2, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious that Lincecum makes your MVP ballot but Waino get's the Cy
not criticizing, just wondering about the logic.
by brackenthebox on Oct 2, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, Lincecum is more important to the Giants than Waino is to us.
If we didn’t have Wainwright, we’d still have Carp. If the Giants didn’t have Lincecum, they’d be in a whole lot of trouble because Matt Cain isn’t quite ready to be the ace of a staff. Without Tim, the Giants wouldn’t have been in the playoff hunt nearly as long. Same could be said if we didn’t have WW, but like I said, having Carp would make up for it moreso than Cain would for SF.
I gave Waino the Cy Young partly because I was trying to vote with the thought process of a BBWAA voter. I think the fact that Waino has more wins and is on a playoff team will sway the voters in his favor. Especially if he wins tonite. Plus I’m biased.
No longer patiently awaiting. Raz has arrived.
by RunninRedbird on Oct 2, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here goes Nothin'
MVP:
Pujols
Ramirez
Fielder
Tulowitzki
Braun
Ethier
Utley
Adrian Gonzalez
Zimmerman
Votto
ROY:
Happ
Fowler
McCutcheon
Cy Young:
Lincecum
Wainwright
Carpenter
Comeback:
Carpenter
Manager:
Tracy
Yo MLBPA, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Albert is the most ridiculous player of all time. OF ALL TIME!
by vexedtechie on Oct 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awards:
MVP:
Pujols
Ramirez
Utley
Fielder
Howard
Tulo
Kemp
Lee
Sandoval
Gonzalez
Cy:
Wainwright
Linc
Carp
ROY:
Coghlan
Hanson
Happ
by Matty I on Oct 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cy
Lincecum
Carp
Waino
ROY
Happ
Coghlan
Hanson
MVP
Pujols
Ramirez
Utley
Lincecum
Tulowitski
Fielder
A. Gonzalez
Kemp
Howard
Carp
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 2, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cy: Lincecum, A.D.A.M., Vazquez
SMVP: Utley, Hanley, Tulo
ROY: Halladay
Manager: Hillman, Russell, Piniella
Comeback: Carp
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 2, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even realize Halladay was a rookie
No longer patiently awaiting. Raz has arrived.
by RunninRedbird on Oct 2, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let alone in the NL
No longer patiently awaiting. Raz has arrived.
by RunninRedbird on Oct 2, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does best ROY have anything to do with being a rookie in the NL?
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 2, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry tookie, I got it!
Yo MLBPA, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Albert is the most ridiculous player of all time. OF ALL TIME!
by vexedtechie on Oct 2, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah!
Yes, Halladay is the best ROY. My bad.
No longer patiently awaiting. Raz has arrived.
by RunninRedbird on Oct 2, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SMVP?
is that second MVP, since Albert gets the first one?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 2, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. The only race is for second most valuable player.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 2, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and GDM gets LVC
F’ing GDM
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 2, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Least Valuable C*ck?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 3, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cack?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Oct 3, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
least valiant clydesdale
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
MVP:
Albert
Han-Ram
Sandoval
Utley
Tulo
Fielder
Helton
DLee
Reynolds
Howard
Cy
Waino
Lincecum
Carp
ROY
Coughlan
Happ
McCutcheon
Cards, Colts, and Pacers - Baseball, football, and basketball or gambling, guns, and old cars?
by JPBarnett on Oct 2, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP
Pujols
Lincecum
Hanley
Utley
Waino
Cy Young
Lincecum
Waino
Carpenter
Vasquez
Haren
ROY
Tommy Hanson
Andrew McCutchen
Colby Rasmus
J.A. Happ
Randy Wells
by vivaelpujols on Oct 3, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus was better than Happ this year?
Ask me about my avatar!
by guayzimi on Oct 3, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you fill out 6-10 for MVP?
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 3, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Jimenez
Fielder
Ethier
Werth
Vasquez
by vivaelpujols on Oct 3, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After 9 complete ballots
Those filling top 3 choices for Cy and ROY and 10 for MVP….
CY
Lincecum – 37 points (5)
Wainwright – 26 points (3)
Carpenter – 16 points (1)
Vazquez – 2 points
ROY
Happ – 37 points (6)
Coghlan – 23 points (3)
Hanson – 10 points
Fowler – 7 points
McCutcheon – 2 points
McGehee – 1 pt
Wells – 1 pt
MVP
Pujols – 126 (9)
Ramirez – 80
Utley – 62
Fielder – 49
Tulowitski – 40
Lincecum – 30
Sandoval – 19
Zimmerman – 19
Howard – 16
Kemp – 15
Braun – 14
Ethier – 12
Carpenter – 12
Lee – 12
Gonzalez – 12
Wainwright – 5
Helton – 4
Reynolds – 2
Upton – 1
Votto – 1
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 3, 2009 2:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So is this #10, for a nice round number?
MVP:
1. Pujols
2. H. Ramirez
3. Utley
4. P, Sandoval
5. Fielder
6. Kemp
7. Tulowitzki (with a “z”)
8. Carp
9. Lincecum
10. Braun
CY:
1. Carp
2. Lincecum
3. Waino (I would not object to any ordering of these three)
ROY:
1. Happ
2. Hanson
3. Garrett Jones (I was tempted to insert a sympathy vote for Hawksworth here, but let’s be realistic…)
MOY: TLR by the narrowest of margins over Tracy. We can nit-pick Tony’s individual decisions, but in a big-picture sense, he’s had a brilliant year. Either of these guys would be deserving winners.
Executive: Mo. Yes, Amaro had a fine year. Mo had an INCREDIBLE year.
Comeback: Carp.
by StanTheManFan on Oct 3, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tulowitzki
That’s why I call him “Tulo”. I’ve had the guy in my keeper league for a few years now and I still can’t get the damn thing right. Good catch.
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 3, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP
Pujols
Ramirez
Utley
Zimmerman
Cy Young
Carp
Lincecum
Wainwright
Haren
Pineiro
ROY
Andrew McCutchen
Tommy Hanson
Colby Rasmus
J.A. Happ
Randy Wells
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 3, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, Chitown...
If we hadn’t traded for Mulder, and had sent Chris Duncan to the Giants, your top 5 in the Cy Young race would be our rotation right now.
/possible joking around
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
- sheds tear *
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that turned out weird
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you give your #5-10 votes for MVP?
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 5, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
5. Derek Lee
6. Prince Fielder
7. Troy Tulowitzki
8. Ryan Howard
9. Pablo Sandoval
10. Adrian Gonzalez
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give it a shot
MVP:
Pujols
Utley
Tulowitzki
Kemp
Waino
Ramirez
Lincecum
Zimmerman
Vazquez
Fielder
Sandoval
A Gonzalez
Cy:
Lincecum
Waino
Vazquez
ROY:
Happ
Coghlan
Fowler
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Oct 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP:
Pujols
Utley
H. Ramirez
Tulowitzki
Sandoval
Fielder
D. Lee
Kemp
Jeter
Cy Young:
Lincecum
Wainwright
Carpenter
ROY:
Happ
McCutcheon
Rasmus
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeter is so awesome he even gets a NL MVP vote from bgh
Jeter is just so jeter!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Oct 5, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he really does transcend both leagues
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a #10
And I’ll make sure that his intangible awesomeness that has now trickled down to the NL is properly accounted for.
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 6, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Howard, I guess, at #9.
I don’t understand why they vote for 10, and I clearly should have numbered my list because I thought that I had listed ten.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 6, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
14 ballots for ROY and Cy
13 for MVP so far.
ROY
Happ 52 points (9)
Coghlan 26 pts (3)
Hanson 21 points (1)
McCutchen 13 pts (1)
Fowler 8 points
Rasmus 3 points
McGehee 1 pt
Wells 1 pt
Jones 1 pt
Cy Young
Lincecum 58 pts (8)
Waino 37 points (3)
Carp 28 points (3)
Vazquez 3 pts
MVP
Pujols 182 points (13)
Ramirez 111 pts
Utley 94 points
Fielder 65 points
Tulowitzki 56 pts
Lincecum 45
Zimmerman 29
Sandoval 28
Kemp 27
Howard 19
Waino 17
Ethier 15
Braun 15
Carp 15
Gonzalez 13
Jimenez – 5
Helton – 4
Vazquez – 3
Reynolds – 2
Werth – 2
Upton – 1
Votto – 1
I’ll keep checking to see if there are updates, so feel free to add your votes now that, you know, the season has actually ended.
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 6, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NL 2009 Awards
MVP
1. Pujols
2. Utley
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Braun
5. Howard
6. Fielder
7. Lincecum
8. Tulowitzki
9. Wainwright
10. Kemp
Cy Young
1. Lincecum
2. Wainwright
3. Haren
Rookie of the Year
1. Hanson
2. Happ
3. Randy Wells
by Salti Cracker on Oct 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kinda thought McCutchen deserved the ROY
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NL Cy Young: Adam Wainwright
NL Rookie of the Year: Tommy Hanson
MVP: Albert
Comeback Player of the Year- Chris Carpenter
Executive- MO
Manager-Jim Tracy
by RollBirdsRoll on Oct 13, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After 15 ballots
ROY
Happ 55 (9)
Coghlan 26 (3)
Hanson 26 (2)
McCutchen 13 (1)
Fowler 8
Rasmus 3
Wells 2
McGehee 1
Jones 1
Cy Young
Lincecum 63 (9)
Waino 40 (3)
Carp 28 (3)
Vazquez 3
Haren 1
MVP
Pujols 210 (15)
Ramirez 127
Utley 112
Fielder 75
Tulo 66
Lincecum 49
Sandoval 34
Kemp 31
Zimmerman 29
Howard 27
Braun 22
Lee 22
Waino 19
Ethier 15
Carp 15
Gonzalez 13
Jimenez 5
Helton 4
Vazquez 3
Reynolds 2
Werth 2
Upton 1
Votto 1
Jeter 1
I’ll keep checking if anyone wants to add theirs.
by Merry CRasmus on Oct 14, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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