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2009 Draft Preview- Part One.

You know, I'm starting to get kind of concerned about my elbow. It's been hurting for a couple of weeks now, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. I thought at first it was maybe just a touch of tendinitis, but it isn't going away, even with my earnest attempts not to use the arm much. I suppose I'll eventually have to give in and seek out some sort of professional help, but I'm not looking forward to it. I am, however, a little bit hopeful that I may end up being the first person to need Tommy John surgery who only writes about baseball, rather than playing it. Knowing my luck, though, it's probably some sort of horrible, incurable cancer of the elbow. Oh well. 

Anyhow, prospect ranking season is in full swing, as has been noted here recently. Kevin Goldstein's list is set to come out today. I'm not going to bore you with a list of my own; however, I do want to get an early start on the 2009 version of my draft preview. I started right around the end of January last year, and it gave me plenty of time to do just a few players at a time, as well as making updates and revisions along the way. With that in mind, I thought I would try to get even a little bit earlier start this year. 

I figure that when Royce Ring is news, it's time to find another avenue of discussion. So without further ado, here we go. It's 2009, and these are the draftees. Enjoy. 

Star-divide

To kick off this brand new year of previews, I'm going to start first at the top of the draft. The consensus top pick this year appears likely to be a right handed, college pitcher, and so that's where we're going to begin. I'll probably actually have to do two of these just on this particular segment of player, as there are quite a few college righties. 

Stephen Strasburg- RHP, San Diego State

So, what's so great about this guy? 

It's pretty tough to recall the last time a pitcher of Strasburg's pedigree came along. David Price is close, but Strasburg is even more of a sure thing than what Price was considered to be. Probably the last time we saw a pitcher with this combination of stuff, control, makeup, and track record would be Mark Prior in 2001. 

Strasburg's repertoire is close to major league ready right now. He starts with a fastball in the mid 90s, sitting around 94, and can work it up into the upper 90s, occasionally nearing triple digits. His curveball is a true hammer, and he has the ability to change the shape and speed of it if he needs to. Strasburg also features a changeup that's his third best offering, but in no way should be referred to as simply a third pitch. It has depth and fade, and he can locate it for strikes consistently. 

Perhaps the most amazing thing about Strasburg, though, isn't the quality of his stuff. His control is tremendous, with ridiculously low walk totals all through college. His strikeout to walk ratio in 2008, for instance, was better than 8 to 1, with 133 K's to only 16 BB's. Strasburg even pitched for the U.S. Olympic squad last year, the only amateur to do so. 

Let's face it. This is a pitcher who has virtually no chance of falling to the Cardinals at 19. He's almost major league ready right out of college, and has top of the rotation written all over him. In fact, I'm really only covering him for the purpose of completeness, and one other thing. I would say there was absolutely no chance he falls, except for one word. 

Boras. 

That's right. Strasburg is represented by the Scott Boras corporation. and when you look at the kind of potential he has, coupled with his nearness to the majors straight out of the draft, could very well lead to a record-setting deal for Strasburg. Adding to the intrigue, the Washington Nationals have the first overall pick; you may recall that Washington was the team burned last year by Boras and Aaron Crow, who headed off to play indy league ball rather than sign with the Nats. I still don't see much chance of Strasburg falling very far, but it should be interesting to see just where he ends up on draft day. 

Kyle Gibson- RHP, University of Missouri

So, what's so great about this guy? 

Seems like Mizzou has become quite the pitching factory here the last couple of years, doesn't it? The previously mentioned Aaron Crow was drafte in the first round out of MU last year; it was Max Scherzer two years before him. Gibson looks like he should continue the tradition in style, going in the first round this year. 

Whereas both Crow and Scherzer were power pitchers who relied heavily on power stuff, Gibson is a bit of a different animal. His calling card is outstanding control, and a devilish slider to go along with it. He throws his fastball in the upper 80s, occasionally reaching above 90 mph. His slider is his best pitch, and he uses it as his bread and butter, occasionally relying on it a bit too much. Gibson also throws a solid average changeup that has shown plus potential at times, though he's not all that consistent with it as of yet. 

The other thing about Gibson that really stands out, after his control, is the amount of projection still remaining to him. At only 195 lbs on a six foot six inch frame, it's fair to say he's a little bit on the thin side. Once he fills out, he should add a fair amount of velocity, though just how much is somewhat in debate due to his delivery. Gibson's mechanics are sound, with a free and easy motion that does add some deception. The problem with his delivery is the pace of it, which is extremely slow. While a fast delivery is in no way a guarantee of velocity, the energy to throw a ball hard has to come from somewhere, and a delivery as deliberate as Gibson's simply doesn't create a whole lot of momentum. 

Bottom line, the only thing that's really in question about Gibson is his ceiling. A pitcher with the kind of control and polish he has should be a pretty safe bet on draft day, and the possiblity of him reaching his projection is a bonus for any team considering taking him. The chances of him being around at 19 aren't particularly good either, but that could very well change, depending upon what kind of performance he puts up this spring. 

Alex White- RHP, University of North Carolina

So, what's so great about this guy? 

White was a good prospect back in 2006 out of high school, but didn't get drafted until the 14th round, largely due to a solid commitment to North Carolina. He bypassed a pro contract to attend college, and stepped in to replace the departing Andrew Miller/ Daniel Bard combo that served UNC so very well in the previous years. 

White has an outstanding, athletic pitcher's body, though he doesn't have quite the height advantage of the other two pitchers on this list. Nonetheless, his athleticism really shines through, especially in his delivery, which by all accounts is very good. He features a fastball in the 90-94 range that has excellent life and movement to it. On good days, White can simply overpower hitters with his fastball, mising bats and generating groundballs galore. Like Gibson, White's best pitch may, in fact, be his slider, which is especially effective against right handed batters. 

The knocks on White begin when you move beyond the athleticism and his two best pitches. His changeup isn't a particularly good pitch, mostly because he simply hasn't thrown it all that much. With a commitment to improving it, the pitch should become average at least, but that's certainly not a sure thing. More worrisome is White's control. He struggles to throw strikes occasionally, though his stuff has been good enough to overcome those issues to this point. Of course, higher level hitters won't be overpowered so easily, making continued development a must. 

White is probably the furthest away of the three pitchers I'm covering here, as he simply doesn't have the same polish as a Gibson or Strasburg. That being said, he certainly has a very high ceiling all the same, and is a good bet to reach it. He's also more likely to be available when the Cardinals draft, as there are more questions surrounding him. Depending on the direction the first round takes, there's a very good chance White is still sitting there when pick #19 rolls around. If he is, I could definitely see the Cardinals popping him, as he fits most of their drafting tendencies. 

Well, that's the first installment of this year's preview. I probably won't do another one for a few weeks, but I hope to get eight or maybe even ten of these in before the draft. 

Take care. 

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The really interesting thing

about Stephen Strasburg is that he won’t even be born for another 979 years! I kid, rb, I know that you meant 1988, not 2988.

by cardsgirl95 on Jan 7, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strasburg

Strasburg will well positioned to participate in the Space Olympics.

by holden on Jan 7, 2009 11:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like a DeWitt pick.

He isn’t going to contribute right away, but he’ll really position us well for that 2991 World Series.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 12:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See,

you obviously just don’t have the same kind of information that I have. You think that Strasburg is just a normal kid born in the late 80s, but I know better. Up until this year, when he had massive facial surgery done, he looked like this:
So there.

It was half my fault, and half the atmosphere.

by the red baron on Jan 8, 2009 4:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Any Chance...

…we cud trade David Freese and our 19 pick to the Nats for their #1, and then draft Strasburg? This is exactly the kind of guy we need to git our hooves on.

by The MooCow on Jan 7, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't trade draft picks in baseball...

…and with Ryan Zimmerman I don’t think the Nats are looking for a 3B.

by indakind on Jan 7, 2009 11:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tennis elbow, maybe?

Hurts like hell. But often manageable with fairly amateur therapy.

by Youneverknow on Jan 7, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pennis elbow?

[link]

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Jan 7, 2009 2:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you learn something new every day...

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber

by nomar34 on Jan 7, 2009 3:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

if you don’t quit playing with yourself, your elbow’s never going to get better.

by ridgesee on Jan 7, 2009 8:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why you should complain about Carpal Tunnel instead.

The wrist is easy to explain for those of us that spend so much time on the computer.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 9:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great stuff RB...

looking forward to the followups. White sounds like the kind of guy that we really need in our system; #1-2 potential. Suddenly I find myself wishing the Cards had finished dead last in baseball in 2008 – Strasburg sounds dreamy!!

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Jan 7, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey

Where did my diary fanpost go. It was titled “chuckb is a fascist, I want houstoncardinal back”

Some interesting things in Rick Hummel’s piece today.

“Everybody talks about how much money we had come off (the books), but there’s the realities of the arbitration cases,” said Mozeliak, “and then there’s players entering their second years of multiyear contracts, like your Wainwrights and your Molinas, that are going to see bumps as well.”

What, he just figured that out? And what’s with your Molinas, did I miss us trading for Benjie or Jose this off-season.
But here’s the real scoop Hummel drops.

Given this backdrop then, is it possible, or even likely, that the Cardinals will trade an outfielder to get pitching that they need? Mozeliak ruled out nothing but also said that the Cardinals’ opening day roster might include all of the aforementioned outfielders plus rookie Colby Rasmus and Joe Mather, who last year filled a utility role, a role that might be expanded to third base and perhaps even second base this spring.

Joey Bombs at second would definitely add power to the middle infield.
I knew he was good, I just didn’t think The Secret Weapon was that great of an instructor.

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by That's a Winner on Jan 7, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mather at 2B

would be awesome.

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by Alxfritz on Jan 7, 2009 12:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody can play 2B

"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."

by SoonerfanTU on Jan 7, 2009 12:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would mean.....

Duncan and Barton in AAA to start the season?!?

I really wish we could move one OF for something helpful. That would clearn ALOT of things up.

"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."

by SoonerfanTU on Jan 7, 2009 12:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C. Duncan is out of options

I believe. You would think someone would take a flier on the kid, injuries and all. I think TLR will use that argument to ensure C. Duncan is not sent down. Unless Rasmus just absolutely tears up ST and no outfielder is traded, I fear it is Rasmus and Barton in AAA.

by jjray on Jan 7, 2009 7:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hummel is off his medication

if he thinks Joe Mather can play 2B.

by jjray on Jan 7, 2009 12:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

lol

it sounds like Mo is the one who thinks Mather can play 2B…

That would be a hell of a lineup, though, even if Mather only plays 2B against tough lefties.

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 7, 2009 7:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did I miss something?

I thought the Cards valued middle infield defense

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 7, 2009 1:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Discounting Miles? To a lesser degree, Eck?

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 7, 2009 1:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess MIF defense

and guys with grit. Does Mather have the grit it takes to be a STL middle infielder?

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 7, 2009 5:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mather was drafted as a SS if I recall correctly

He’s seen some time at SS in the lower levels. At 6’4’’ you wouldn’t think he could handle it, but it gives more promise to the idea of having more than just an OF use, since he can also play 1B and 3B as well.

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 7, 2009 1:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does anyone else get the feeling

that Joey Bombs is the new Spezio?

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by jealousblues on Jan 7, 2009 3:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they thought Mather had a chance of being able to play 2B

why didn’t they move him there from SS instead of OF originally?

I’m guessing size.

by TheBirds on Jan 7, 2009 2:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

they moved him to 3B first, but I could be mistaken.

by Toddius on Jan 7, 2009 2:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you mean 3B or 2B?

3B seems pretty obvious. I think if he can show that he can fill in at the COF and CIF positions, then there is really no way that the Cards will send him down. He supplies the kind of damage you expect from those positions, and it cements him as a replacement for the Spiezio role that has really been vacant .

If you mean as an everyday player, I think they’ll wait for a corner OF spot to open up for him there.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, but can freese

play OF, 1b and appearently 2b?

Who knows.

I just get the feeling they want to make him a super sub

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by jealousblues on Jan 7, 2009 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who do you replace on the roster for him?

I don’t have a problem with Freese, but you have more variables in making him a Spiezio-type player. Will he hit big league pitching? Can he play the OF? Can he play 1B? Mather has already shown some ability to hit big league pitching. He was actually very good in the OF last year. He started as an IF, and they already started trying him some at 3B last year.

Right now the Cards have Ludwick, Ankiel, Duncan, Schumaker, Mather, Barton, possibly Rasmus for the OF; Molina and LaRue at C; and Glaus, Pujols, Ryan, Thurston, Greene, Greene, Kennedy, and Hoffpauir as IF.

So, you have to have a backup C (enter LaRue). You need at least a backup MIF (enter Ryan), and you need a backup CIF (you say Freese at 3B, I say maybe Duncan at 1B). You need two backup OFs (whittle down Rasmus, Mather, Duncan, Schumaker, and Barton).

How do you make space for a guy that has only demonstrated one position, so far? Do you feel confident that he can become that super-sub? Has he shown more than Mather? Isn’t it better to have more flexibility than that to your bench players? I’m just asking.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 4:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Intriguing question

Wasn’t Mather pretty much a first baseman only before last year? To me the choice between Mather and Freese would depend on which one could actually be traded for something useful.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 7, 2009 4:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong ...

I’m hoping that we get a look at both Wallace and Freese this year. I would like to see what we have in these two guys before Glaus walks. Hell, in a perfect world one of those guys shows they can take over this year, and then you can trade Glaus at the deadline for some real pitching or MIF talent.

It will be interesting to see if Freese takes some flyballs this spring. That will give us some idea of what they’re thinking.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 4:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn’t Mather pretty much a first baseman only before last year?

To answer your question – no.

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 7, 2009 4:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least he already has experience

at the positions he is being asked to play (if you exclude the notion that he can suddenly become a 2B).

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

must have had him confused with someone else.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 7, 2009 9:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree...

I think the idea that Mather can play a respectable 3B (let alone 2nd) is just as much a variable as whether or not Freese can handle MLB pitching. However, I don’t see it as an either/or…and hope both are on the 25 man come April. Mather should be one of our reserve OFers and Freese our reserve corner IFer if they should happen to crossover and/or add 2nd base to their repertoire…all the better!!

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Jan 7, 2009 4:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, but ...

that wasn’t the only variable I listed with Freese. Mather is simply learning to play 3B. He has shown proficiency at all 3 OF positions already. I think 1B is a fairly easy transition for either guy, so that one is a wash. So, Freese would have to show that he could play all 3 OF positions and hit big league pitching. I’m not saying that he can’t do it, but there is clearly more opportunity for failure there than in Mather learning to play 3B.

In order for both to be on the list, then something is going to have to be done to thin out the list of OFs currently on the roster. You are also advocating that we carry only 3 MIFs, and Kennedy can’t play SS. I’ve never heard anyone talk about playing Greene at 2B, so Ryan is the only interchangeable part on the entire infield, including Freese. That scares me. I would rather have Ryan and a more versatile player to go along with Mather as a crossover between the IF and OF, if he can make the switch.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 4:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On my hopeful roster...

Barden is your reserve MIFer/platoon 2nd basemen rather than Greene or Ryan. As for the OF I think Mather and Rasmus should have just as much right to an OF spot as Duncan does, and hope that they prove themselves worthy in the Spring. This leaves an OF of Ludwick, Ankiel, Rasmus, Mather and Skip…I’m still hoping we trade one of Ankiel or Schu and Barton or Duncan can take their place (technically take Mather’s place who would be taking Ank’s or Schu’s place). I agree that there is question as to whether or not Freese can handle the OF, but more often than not a good 3Bmen is an adequate OFer.

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Jan 7, 2009 5:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good catch.

I forgot all about Barden. The problem with Rasmus or Mather over Duncan is that they don’t have to go through waivers. That will probably mean they have to be far and away better than Duncan to take his place. (Unless I’m off, and Duncan still has an option left, in which case I’m full of crud).

I think you are right, though. I still don’t see how they leave Spring Training with all of those OFs still on their roster. I think somebody will definitely get squeezed out and traded for relief help.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 5:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure Duncan is still...

optionable, but I certainly could be wrong.

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he still has an option

i remember when he was sent to memphis last year, the deal was that he wouldn’t spend more than twenty days there.
apparently if a player spend less than twenty days in the minors it doesn’t use an option.

i’m hoping they’ll leave him in memphis until he shows he’s fully healthy and able to rake like he did in 2006.

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 7, 2009 9:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With everything on the web these days

you’d think there would be a site that carries up-to-date info on players’ options.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 8, 2009 2:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

id love to see Joey at 2b

but how is that possible

and more importantly will posters rip Mo because “its not Xbox, you cant just put anyone at 2nd”

also I thought we wanted these homegrown players to save money so we could invest in FA when we needed one or two, now apparently homegrown/cost conrtolled players are getting too expensive for us. ;-)

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by jealousblues on Jan 7, 2009 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell

are you even talking about, w/ regard to your fanpost? I know nothing about it and I can’t find a fanpost you’ve ever posted. Perhaps this is meant to be a joke and, if I’m not getting it, I’m sorry but I don’t know anything about your fanpost.

by chuckb on Jan 7, 2009 8:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it was a joke

Usually I need to let people know when I’m not joking. I know you’ve had to play the heavy since LB left and I just wanted to lighten the mood a little. Hearken back to the care free HC days when you didn’t have to lay down the law. I guess I did a poor job of that. You’ve been doing a great job as moderator which can’t be easy with the shoes you have had to fill. I am very sorry for any time wasted looking for my phantom post.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Jan 8, 2009 11:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Per your elbow:

I had chronic elbow pain that was caused by mild tendinitis. However, it had a secondary – or really, a primary – cause for hurting: I had a slightly bulging disc in my neck. If they can’t find anything, have them check your neck.

by spants on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More importantly.....

did you have neck or shoulder pain BEFORE you had the elbow pain? The pain should be moving away from your neck as the disc issue gets worse. In addition, you should note whether ice and heat treatment does any good. They won’t help if it’s a disc issue.

by sdrone on Jan 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did not have pain.

But finally, after all sorts of tests, they asked me if I had trouble getting comfortable when I tried to go to sleep. And I did. (Still do sometimes.) That led them to run an MRI on my neck, and that’s how they found the bulging disc. They kept asking me if my neck hurt, and it didn’t hurt, so I said “no.” Discomfort counts, too.

Because I had minor tendinitis, heat treatment helped a bit, but only for about 30 minutes.

Anyway, it was just a suggestion for an answer to mysterious elbow pain.

by spants on Jan 7, 2009 6:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the system needs someone

with top of the rotation potential. Gibson may not be it, but I love him.

Good stuff, TRB.

My early hunch is they draft Dustin Ackley, OF out of NC, but I have been wrong so many times maybe I should keep my guesses to myself.

I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds

by erik on Jan 7, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd do a jig for joy

if they somehow drafted Grant Green, but he is a top 5-10 pick. DJ LeMatheiu of LSU is a draft eligible sophomore they could draft later, but would probably have to go above slot to sign. Good power, speed combo and can probably stick at SS

I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds

by erik on Jan 7, 2009 2:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any chance the Cards break pattern ...

and decide to pay above slot for some draft picks? I can understand holding tight in the free agency market if they open the wallet a little more during the draft process.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 2:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They did break norm and spend in the L.A. Draft, so it’s possible. However, some could say it was because they didn’t spend at all the year before.

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 7, 2009 2:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they do go overslot in most drafts

just not w/early picks very often at all.

maybe if they hold tight in free agency, they could go over, but i would not expect anything significant. OTOH, i think they may be spenders in latin america again in 09, which is good.

I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds

by erik on Jan 7, 2009 2:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, erik.

I guess I was thinking of early in the draft. It seems like they have made a point about remaining stringent to the “slotting” during the draft. I am extremely excited about the increased presence in Latin America and Asia-Pacific. I don’t think the Cards have the revenue source to try to build in both directions (FA and draft) the way New York or Boston can, and they have said they are going to go the developmental route. I think they do have enough revenue to be both aggressive and creative in that direction. I just don’t want to see them pass up guys that are fairly good bets because they are not “slotted” properly.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 3:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like rick porcello

I think they will go a little over to get their man, but I don’t think they will be spending $6M on an amateur anytime soon.

I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds

by erik on Jan 7, 2009 5:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Green and Ackley are Boras

According to BA, Boras has Strasburg, Green, Ackley, local product Jacob Turner (whom I love) and Kentrail Davis—-I believe they phrased it the “Boras Olympics”—-and I know there were Boras guys recruiting Gibson though I don’t know who he went with.

As for Gibson’s potential, I love him love him love him. His slider/cutter is Carpenteresque, and having seen every one of his home starts last year I’d disagree with RB’s assessment that his changeup is inconsistent—-it’s simply that he doesn’t throw it enough but it is consistently an above average pitch. Like he said though, you can just dream on him picking up velocity; if he’s even 90-95 (and it’s easy to dream for more, the arm speed is there) he’d be un-hit-able instead of the 88-91 he has now. You just couldn’t account for a above average/plus fb, the plus-plus slider and pinpoint command. Oh and there’s still the changeup.

The biggest gripe I have with Gibson is he seems a little too insistent on being a “complete pitcher” and not simply as good as he can be. He was mixing in a junker of a curveball and likes to throw a few too many sinkers, which while have plenty of sink, they’re at 85-87, basically a bad changeup, though I guess if he does pick up the velo that could be an effective pitch too.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 7, 2009 9:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heart Stephen Strasburg

Stephen Strasburg 23 strikeout game

Look at the movement he gets on his pitches plus with his perfect control makes my heart patter

He is going to get a lot of money. I pray he is Rick Porcello and somehow he drops.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sheesh

Those up-and-in heaters were ill.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.

by lunchboxbomb on Jan 7, 2009 4:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His

breaking pitches are SICK.

by spants on Jan 7, 2009 7:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wicked good.

Also, the Saul Williams soundtrack is awesome.

It was half my fault, and half the atmosphere.

by the red baron on Jan 8, 2009 4:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the elbow problem is

wax buildup. As in you need to sit down at your keyboard and do the classic RB wax poetic thing to get it out of your system. Of course, this would be after you made sure your workstation was ergonomically friendly.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 7, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know,

you might be right. I thought my Christmas post was plenty of poetic, nostalgic waxing for awhile, but maybe I was wrong. Anticipate a true epic in the near future.

It was half my fault, and half the atmosphere.

by the red baron on Jan 8, 2009 4:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My stupid parents

got married on the Ides of March in 1980. Wanna guess how long the marriage lasted?

by spants on Jan 7, 2009 7:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man

that’s the only thing I’m superstitious about, I’m getting to the point where I won’t even leave the house on that day, bad shit happens to me on that day

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2009 11:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I eat a lot of Italian food

but no, I’m English/Polish/Danish/French with just a dash of Lebanese, or so my mom tells me.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2009 1:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had to google Ides of March

To figure out what you guys were talking about

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2009 12:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What? Caeser jokes too obscure?

I read in my horoscope today that my tea leaves were going to lie to me, anyway. I tried to call the Oracle to get some quidance, but they passed me to Indian technical support. I’m still on hold.

by etp_stl on Jan 8, 2009 8:30 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grecian formula for life, CLASSIC

I’m still laughing about that one.

by bigmotors on Jan 7, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A TRADE IS COMING

Ok, lemme get this straight. We got Mather playing 3b and 2b and Wallace and Freese playing the corner outfield. What’s the freaking point? That sounds like the grande idea of Terry Kennedy playing left field when we had Ted Simmons catching. If I do remember correctly we traded Kennedy to San Diego. IT’S COMING PEOPLE!!! We will make at least one trade before opening day. We will unload and outfielder or two and maybe a third baseman.

by bigmotors on Jan 7, 2009 6:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We probably will

But what will it be for? Something of value? My gut tells me if there is a trade, it will still leave something to be desired. I hope FO doesn’t unload surplus just to unload it. If there is a trade, it needs to be for good starting pitching.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Jan 7, 2009 7:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's one thing that I don't think Mozeliak can be accused of.

With the exception of Reyes (and that topic has been worn out as to why), I don’t think Mozeliak can be accused of just throwing away assets. In the trades he has made the Cardinals have received value in return.

I may not think the current tactics towards free agency are the best in the league, but I don’t have a problem with the trade policy, yet.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 7:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

Its like Mo took a modified version of the Hippocratic Oath — “First, do no harm.” (actually I looked this up, and was surprised to find that those words don’t actually appear in the Oath)

by Ray Lankford on Jan 7, 2009 9:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FYI, there are two.

There is a Classical Oath, and there is a Modern Oath. The classical mentions not doing harm, where as the modern does not. Neither use the actual phrase you had in quotations.

You got me interested, so I looked them up.

by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 9:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crow wasn't Boras

He was represented by the Hendricks Bros.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 7, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh. You're right.

Not sure where I got Boras from; maybe it just seems that every difficult set of negotiations is a Boras deal.

Oh, wait. I know. Pedro Alvarez was the Boras client that had all the issues with his negotiations, right? Signed a deal with the Pirates, then Boras tried to back out of it, or something? Wrong player. Shoot.

It was half my fault, and half the atmosphere.

by the red baron on Jan 8, 2009 4:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't worry about your elbow Red

IT’S NOT A TUUMAA

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2009 4:52 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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