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The best shapes of our lives

In the comments of Tuesday's post Hinkster noted that it would probably take an entire thread to give proper voice to the myriad Spring Training clichés about to be loosed from the sportswriter quiver. I'm always up for a good organizing structure, so with that in mind I present the first annual Best Shape of Their Lives awards. 

"I'm in the best shape of my life." The perennial favorite; if players were in the best shape of their lives as often as they said they were, in aggregate they'd be so much exponentially stronger on a year-to-year basis that baseball would now involve 300 mph fastballs and 500 yard bombs—not home runs, but actual bombs. (The more pressing concern would be accommodating all the players, since nobody would ever retire.)

In any case, this maxim usually goes to a disappointing player who's got decent prospects for recovery. The league-wide winner is probably Jeff Francoeur, who's made the best-shape rounds for the past few days, but in St. Louis I'd have to give this one to Khalil Greene or Chris Duncan, two guys who have a lot to—but I've gotten, already, to this cliché's bookend: "I've got a lot to prove." 

"I'm just going to take it one game at a time." This could go to Khalil Greene too, on some level; by coming to a new organization, being well known as an intelligent baseball player, and following up a terrible season, Greene has managed an enviable Spring Training cliché trifecta. But even he has to defer to a player who actually must take it one game at a time: Chris Carpenter

Years from now my children will ask me if I saw Chris Carpenter during his rumored four 2008 appearances, and I'll tell them that there are some times when what you're seeing so defies explanation as to make you question the things you see—the things you believe to be incontestably there. Watching Chris Carpenter pitch, since 2006, is that time. Having pitched, allegedly, in five games in the last two years, if Carpenter takes it even two or three games at a time he is liable to find himself in August. 

"I've been working on my timing." I've got to hand this one to Colby Rasmus. If he'd come up in 2008 he'd have arrived to find the outfield barren and ready for its young savior, reliant on a platoon first baseman, a former pitcher with three professional seasons as a hitter, and an ex-prospect whose primary contribution to the Cardinals, to this point, was having a brother who was traded for Mark McGwire. 

But timing is everything, as every hitter who struck out more than 100 times last season will tell you, and hopefully Colby's spent the winter working on his. Just one year later he's got to deal with no fewer than five outfielders who, job security-wise, are in the best shape of their lives. Suddenly there are scenarios in which it makes baseball sense to keep him in Memphis at the start of the season, where he would, presumably, work on his timing. 

"The best 25 players head north." This one was all Hinkster—I'd never have considered this La Russa trope myself. Here the Golden Grapefruit has to go to Brian Barton, who took to the Rule 5 active roster requirement remarkably well and played like a perfectly competent fourth outfielder. For his troubles, he enters 2009 with the most distant of outside shots at a Major League job.

He might make more sense than Schumaker in an outfield that could conceivably open the season with three starters weak against left-handers, but as long as Skip's around Barton will be the rare Rule 5 alumnus who doesn't need minor league seasoning, but is getting it anyway. 

"I'm working on something new." Pitchers are constantly tinkering with new pitches; on the Cardinals it seems, from newspaper accounts, to be that every pitcher who has a good month has begun throwing a diving sinker. But during Spring Training every struggling pitcher in America takes the time to throw ten or fifteen knuckleballs in the bullpen, just to see what happens. Tinkering is one thing, but Spring Training is a time for experimentation. 

Honorable mentions go to Joel Pineiro, who had better be working on something new, but this award has to go to the St. Louis Cardinals, who have somehow upgraded at that long-term keystone hole by picking up... Adam Kennedy. 

Going into 2008 it seemed like the Cardinals had the chance to set an all-time futility record in the middle infield, and for most of the season Kennedy's hitting flirted with those historic 2008 levels. He quickly cemented himself as one of the team's most unpopular players, and capped it all by demanding a trade.

But one good month and a series of sterling defensive statistics later, he's the New second baseman, solidly enough in charge of the position to deflect attention back toward the tail end of the rotation. Will the new pitch change things, or have the Cardinals switched out their forkball for a splitter? 

That's what I've got. What cliché awards are you ready to hand out?

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"We gotta play it...

…one game at a time." This one goes out to TLR, courtesy of Crash Davis and Ebby Calvin LaLoosh. I have grown to really love and appreciate the way that LaRussa manages, even though a lot of people disagree with many of his theories and moves. This cliche is applicable in that he could change the lineup just for the hell of it, or send a player down to Memphis after a nice one AB stint with the big club.

Honorable mention goes to Carp, as all we’re looking for from him is for him to pitch one week at a time.

"Yo bartender! Jobu needs a refill." - Harris, Major League

by Pedro Cerrano on Jan 30, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

my hopes...

the players “put in their time in the offseason”
and our .213-hitting SS is ready to “turn over a new leaf.”

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Jan 30, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

as cliche mania goes

I think football is the worst… especially the now entrenched habit (by so many commentators, announcers, coaches, players etc) of using {{way way OVER-using}} the word “football” as an adjective… ad nauseum.
You just have to listen a few minutes until you have used all your fingers counting the number of times someone uses ‘football’ when the word “ball” would have sufficed

by the Tewk on Jan 30, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hello, Mike Shanahan

"A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by TurdFerguson on Jan 30, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The "I Just Want To Make The Team" award...

goes, as usual, to The Mang!

On a side note to Albert… When Manny moans about not being signed yet, reply: “Maybe you’re asking for too much money for too many years?”

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jan 30, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

or can't play D

or is a clubhouse cancer

by spencegrif on Jan 30, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

didnt he win two world series in the last 5 years?

I know he is an ass but talk about some cancer

www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D

NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!

by jealousblues on Jan 30, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Red Sox had their most successful 8 year run

while Manny was playing for them and then he is traded to the Dodgers and they make the playoffs…he is a lot of things but a cancer would hurt his team and Manny does not do that.

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber

by nomar34 on Jan 30, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a good

player. I think whether guys are “good clubhouse guys” is overblown. Of course, I would say Manny’s big weakness is that he doesn’t always hustle. You have to have a lot of talent to overcome not playing hard – and the real greats of the game (like Albert) have a competitiveness that I think Manny might be lacking. That’s just my perception. I’m sure some people will disagree.

by Toddius on Jan 30, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Pedroia added a “layer of muscle.”

BEN F*&*ING SHEETS!

by spants on Jan 30, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

it was also funny to see that the guys who lost weight or gained muscle, etc, ended up not doing as good.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meant to say

most of the guys who lost weight or gained muscle ended up not doing as good

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"He's seeing the ball well"

will probably be used to describe Greene this spring.

by sluggerbird on Jan 30, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Do you believe in miracles? YES!"

Mozeliak, for his undying belief in Carpenter making 30 starts.

by blove121 on Jan 30, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ah! Spring Training!

What a great time for baseball. The cliches, the non-roster invites, the young guys trying to prove themselves, the vets making one last shot at a championship run, the DUI’s, and the early brawls that can spill over into the regular season. Gotta love it!

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 30, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Im working on something new"

Shouldn’t that, in its true form, go to Motte??

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 30, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Manny, Mo better blues

 Nice post this morning; as usual; interesting sideline for the “where be there news” denizens of the ice bound Cardinal Nation. But excuse me, what about Manny? It seems to me that when your best player – no the games best player – starts making serious noise about " let’s look at my good friend" isn’t that newsworthy? Oh, and this good friend just happens to be one of a handful of people presently playing the game who can hit with the Big Guy.
  Yea, yea I know that the chances of Manny signing with the club in Saint Louis are approximately those of TLR eating his Schnauzer for breakfast. But they’re not zero, it seems. Why wouldn’t Mo take a look? why wouldn’t we talk this up on El Birdos? Wherein the harm? If there is a chance in hell of landing that monster, I say go for it. You remember Cha Cha don’t you?

by deweydell on Jan 30, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually, the chances are zero

Mozeliak: Manny won’t be a Cardinal

IF we had the money, and the lack of a crowded outfield, and BEN SHEETS, I wouldn’t mind going after Manny. But as it stands, none of these apply to us, so Manny makes no sense for us now.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 30, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Although

a part of me would love to see Manny backing up Albert, just so the Mang could put up even more monstrous numbers…

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 30, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is not much worse

than Chris Duncan in the field.

by ckeiner on Jan 30, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

manny

if chris duncan tried to high five me after catching a fly ball/before throwing somebody out at second…i think i’d recoil in horror.

by spencegrif on Jan 30, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he'd crash through the wall if he tired to high five anyone setting in the stand

you’d all end up on top of a pile of concrete, metal & wall padding with Baby Dunk at the bottom trying to hump his way out. oh the humanity!

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS


ManRam

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 30, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He'd drool

tabaccy juice all over you, too.

BEN F*&*ING SHEETS!

by spants on Jan 31, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

manny's not stupid

he needs someone “bidding” against the dodgers. there are likely other reasons to talk to albert, but this is surely one.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Jan 30, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not assume

“serious noise” from Albert. Yes, he said those things, but he’s constantly talking to the press, and he throws top-of-the-head ideas out there just as much as other guys do. Does this mean AP’s gonna go on strike if Moz doesn’t call Manny? Doubtful.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 30, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Parking Manny in the middle of our lineup

would be big stupid run-scorin’ fun, of course. Perhaps the most fun would be to watch the war that would break out over at the PD Cardinal forums—the DeWitt-haters who want the Birds to match the Cubs’ payroll (and would, presumably, be happy about Manny) vs. the old-timey grit-worshippers whose heads would explode once the Manny-be-Manny nonsense begins. In many cases these two groups are embodied in the same people. Schizophrenia!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 30, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

last year

Manny hit 37 homeruns for $19M and Ludwik hit 37 for $411k

by UNCDubya on Jan 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and this season Manny will do the same thing

while Lud is a crap shoot to repeat the same production. he’s also going to make more than $3Million this year as well.

i love the guy, i do. Lud’s a very good player. but if you have the chance to get Manny F’ing Ramirez, you do it. you don’t bitch about how much he’s going to cost, especially when everyone on the planet knows you have the cash. you don’t say you already have too many OF’s. you don’t say he’s a cancer & will destroy your team. you don’t make excuses, you do it. you just do it.

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

ManRam

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 30, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you do

Manny costs a lot, you do have too many outfielders, and most importantly this was the first year in five that he was Manny F’ing Ramirez.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 30, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know we have a "chance"?

It’s unlikely he’s going to sign for anything less than a three-year deal. It doesn’t seem like this regime is willing to pay $20M+ per for a guy who will be pushing 40 at the end of the deal, nor should they.

And by signing Manny we’d have to trade two OF instead of just the one now. While yes, it would be fantastic to see him batting cleanup behind The Mang, signing him just doesn’t make sense. We need young starting pitching more than a slugging (and aging) outfielder.

by Anonymous Communist on Jan 30, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't ludwick slug higher than manny?

did he not have a higher line drive rate? I dunno, sure Ludwick might regress, but then again, he might not. he’s super valuable to the team imo

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

being that

no other team has signed him, apparently I, and all the GM’s in MLB disagree.

by UNCDubya on Jan 30, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who are you?

you make it sound like you have the inside scoop so by all means, tell us all what we don’t know.

OK, that was really jackassery of me. i’m sorry. we’re all friends here & i shouldn’t lash out over a stupid dream.

Dan, what if Manny is as desperate as Albert says he is & gives the Cards a huge discount? if money is taken out of the picture, would you still pass on Manny?

AC, i think we have a chance because Albert went public yesterday saying the Cards should sign him. that’s all i’m basing it on. i really don’t think he’ll sign for that kind of deal, i really don’t. not now, not with Boras screwing things up. it’s the Dodger’s or no one right now. i’m dreaming if MO comes in at $12-14Million dollars per for 2 years, he’d take it. we don’t really need to trade 2 of our OF’s do we? just Ank or Skippy still with Colby, Lud, Manny as the starters & Ank/Skippy Bombs, Dunk/Barton as the bench. it’d be an even more crowded OF, but with Tony running the show, everyone would get their playing time. i think it could work. i really really do. of course i’m probaby bat crap crazy, so take it with a grain of salt.

ChiTown, i’m not saying replace Lud with Manny. UNCDub pointed out the difference in their salary, and i was simply trying to point out the fact that we know Manny will repeat his numbers, but none of us can say the same about Lud. Lud very well could have had his career year last season, i hope not, i really do. but we have to temper our expectations of the guy. until he does it again, we just can’t count on him repeating those numbers.

aannnnnnnd now i sound like Tony. i think the snow & cold has broken me brain.

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

ManRam

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 31, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now is the time to move Ludwick while his value is highest.

They missed out by not trading Loshe at the deadline last year.

If the FO decided that they were going to concede the division and wildcard in August of last year and not go out and trade for any relievers, then they might as well have traded Loshe for a couple of prospects.

by Czechguardsman on Jan 31, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why move Ludwick

just because his value is highest? I will never understand that logic. You only move him if you think he will not produce at anywhere near the level he did last season, or if you can get someone you think is as valuable to the team.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 31, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

If that logic was common practice in the league, Albert would have been shipped away long ago. Trade the guys with highest value who can’t serve your ballclub to the best of their ability in order to get guys who can help your team. Yes, I’m talking about you Skip Schumaker.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 31, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

main difference in that comparison is that

Pujols would be more difficult to replace than Ludwick… although yeah, I would only trade Ludwick for someone like Bumgarner

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

some may think that the Walrus could be a replacement for Albert some day, but their is no other player like the Mang in this era.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 31, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that we should have moved Loshe last year, but disagree about moving Ludwick now. Just because his value is highest, that means he should be traded? This doesn’t seem like strong logic. Ludwick is cost controlled for the next couple (?) of years, and might just be the real deal — he hits both left and right handed pitching well, and plays solid defense. I think it’s prudent to keep him around and let him be valuable to us! If he can stay healthy we might just have a perennial all star!

Also, it seems the market for trading an outfielder is poor atm (with Dunn et al still FAs), so I don’t think he is actually as valuable as you think. You would not, imo, get good value for Ludwick right now. Lose-lose.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Jan 31, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But at least ...

… we no longer have to read about athletes who added 30 pounds of muscle in the offseason, thanks to their new training routine and a fondness for chicken breasts.

by Lou Schuler on Jan 30, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How about

“My rehab is going well and I’m ahead of schedule.”

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

tlr, utility infielder?

i’ll take the high road on this one.

by spencegrif on Jan 30, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer this

photo

The future is about to arrive, and his name is Colby Rasmus. The league just ain’t ready for this kid…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 30, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

that pic was just in the same set of pictures from the SI site…Colby is the 10th out of 10.

That said, we’d probably have to trade him AND another player to get Bumgarner — everyone thinks he’s the real deal.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 30, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah

that’s what I was thinking… maybe trade Ludwick Schu and someone else for him…

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

They also have Matt Cain and Johnathan Sanchez (for the time being anyway) and Tim Alderson who pitched very well at AA for them last year. Makes you wonder why they signed Barry Zito to so much money — because of his contract they’ll now struggle to keep those other 4 pitchers together as a staff in 3 years.

Had Sabean just stuck to his plan to develop pitchers and bring in free agent position players that club would be in much better position to go after a division title in a year or so, and they’d probably have a shot at running down Manny for next year.

Here’s their rotation in 2009:

Lincecum
Cain
Big Unit
Johnathan Sanchez
Barry Zito

If Zito can find anything left in the tank, or they replace him with Alderson or Lowry at any point next year, that’s one hell of a staff — it’s as top-loaded as the D-Backs staff. Now if they could only find some offense to go with it — speaking of which, why aren’t they pounding on Manny’s door right now? They’re starting Fred Lewis and Randy Winn in the corner outfield spots right now, with a rookie Gillaspie probably winning the first base job and former Cardinal Josh Phelps duking it out with Pablo Sandoval to win the first base job. Hell, Manny could be enough of an offensive boost to put them in the drivers seat in that division.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 30, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why aren't they pounding on Mo's door

to give us one of their stud pitchers for Ankiel or Ludwick? I’m salivating at the pile of young arms the Giants have. Isn’t Sabean due for another bonehead trade?

by Anonymous Communist on Jan 30, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes yes yes

cmon Giants, you know you want a quality OF!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard they were looking for a LH hitting 1bman

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 30, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you think cain for duncun is fair?

i read that rumor somewhere……

by FunkeeC on Jan 30, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows, Cain went 8 - 14 last year.....

So it would be a fair deal…. right…….

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

“C’mon Sabean! You know that 3.76 ERA and 3.91 FIP was a total fluke. No way he’ll keep that up. But, if you send him to us, we’ll give you the new Six-Million-Dollar Man!”

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 30, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think we need to have on the sidebar

a list of running jokes, so some of the newer posters here dont get caught in them……

by FunkeeC on Jan 30, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That could be a good idea

along with……actually better to not go down that road.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 30, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah probably

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 30, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be with you

I’d crapdance right around the block.

by mojowo11 on Jan 30, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why

because they want a left-handed hitting first baseman

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Jan 30, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All jokes aside, in honesty, the Giants would be an excellent trade partner for

the Cards. They need offense badly(Rowand led the team last year with 13HRS), and Ludwick/Ankiel could slot in perfectly as a corner outfielder.

The Giants are stuck with Zito’s massive contract, so he’s stuck in their rotation for at least next year, but their SP prospects like Bumgarner and Alderson will probably displace and surpass Sanchez in the next year or two.
And even if something that ambitious wasn’t pulled off,..
The Giants have really no place for a returning Noah Lowry, so do an outright swap of Lowry for Duncan. Duncan could compete to be their 1B, and Lowry could compete with Piniero for the 5th slot.

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda like this idea

It won’t happen because of the injuries to both players, but assuming both prove to be healthy, I don’t really see where Duncan fits on this team. I think I could find a spot for Lowry right…about…

1. Carpenter
2. Waino
3. Welley
4. Lohse
5. Piniero <——————-here

by mojowo11 on Jan 30, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless Zito moves to the bullpen or the Giants have an injury...

Lowry is the odd man out in their rotation. Bumgarner could be in the Giants’ rotation as early as this summer. The Giants badly need offense.

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just fell in love with Wieters

Tall socks, baby! That’s a prospect that knows what’s up.

by mojowo11 on Jan 30, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about we turn a few players through a series of trades...

into a Peavy trade and a Manny signing?

See what we can pull in for Ank, Glaus, Schu, Barton, etc…

Freese could handle 3rd defensively and Manny would replace Glaus and Anks bat in the line-up. Also you clear room for Rasmus.

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Jan 30, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

YOU FORGOT SIGNING BEN SHEETS!!!!!!!!

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

ManRam

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 30, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's what i do,

Red, i think he played in Korea.

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

ManRam

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 31, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not as relevant to this time of year (although some variant of it occasionally pops up in ST)

But my most hated late season/playoff cliche is how “no one respected us,” “no on believed in us but we believed in ourselves,” etc. A team could win 120 games and be favored to sweep the playoffs and I guarantee some doofus would be talking about how they’re not getting the respect they deserve. Some teams (or at least players) really, really, really like to have a chip on their shoulder.

by BTown Birds fan on Jan 30, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

oh, absolutely

the worst cliche there is. It’s not a matter of respect, it’s a matter of picking the team you think is better. Sometimes you are not going to be picked.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 30, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"absolutely the worst"?

I don’t think you’re giving that cliche enough respect, DanUp. It’s going to go out there and surprise some people this year.

by mojowo11 on Jan 30, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

more cliches

just going to throw strikes
we’re going back to the basics
we’re going to focus on fundamentals
i’ve never felt this good in my entire career
i need to focus better
i’m just not going to think so much
contract year is not a factor
open competition
we don’t play favorites
veteran presence
good presence in the clubhouse
important that they know there roles
i’ll do anything they ask me to do
i hold no grudges
i feel like i have something to prove
i don’t feel like i have anything to prove to anyone
i don’t read the papers

by Hinkster on Jan 30, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

wow

I think you just gave out all their talking points to shutup the press!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look alive Halpert

I’m not feeling so well.
I got a ton of work to do here.
MSG allergy.
Peanut allergy.
I just ate there last night.

by brackenthebox on Jan 31, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The "I Shouldn't Really Be Here Award" goes to...

None other than Adam Kennedy. He’s a decent defensive 2B, but his offense is a major liability. Why the Cardinals are starting him is beyond me – but I’m sure it’s because of his contract.

Welcome to Baseball Heaven.

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 30, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

just have him lunge at the ball with his entire body

chances are it will just bounce off and then he can toss it over to Big Al

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of like

the old “put the sumo wrestler in the hockey net” trick. It would work about as well.

On the other hand, if we have a manager who is crazy/stubborn enough to put Aaron Miles in CF…

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 30, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ORLANDO CABRERA

BRIAN ROBERTS
JOSE LOPEZ
PLACIDO POLANCO
RAY DURHAM

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Durham

is probably not as good as Kennedy when you consider how good kennedy is at defense. but I feel ya

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 30, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mabye a Durham/Kennedy platoon.

At least if one of them falls off the face of the earth we’re not left with a big gaping hole.

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but this is just completely idiotic

Dunn could NEVER play second base. Geez!!!

That is where we are putting Manny!

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by Gregatron on Jan 31, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's what spring training competitions are for

let manny, dunn and rasmus fight it out for that coveted 2B spot.

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 31, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like how we're

willing to play LH-throwing OFers at 2B.

BEN F*&*ING SHEETS!

by spants on Jan 31, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know,

We could play Manny, Dunn and Duncan at 2B. Line them all up there and they ought to get those grounders somehow.

Then we just sign Usain Bolt to play the whole outfield.

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 31, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

can Bolt put up a high OPS?

BEN MOTHERHUSTYOURMOUTHSHEETS

ManRam

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 31, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The "Get a quote from last year and apply it to this year award"

“Don’t look at all the errors, he’s a good fielder with good hands.” – Duncan this year?

The artist formerly known as...
Mr Redbird @ Viva El Birdos
PowerOfDixieland @ Track Em Tigers, other SEC blogs

by jd is legend on Jan 30, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How about this...

Trade Schumaker + someone else to the Tigers for Armando Galarraga or Bonderman.

They’ve been making bad moves lately.

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

why would they trade pitching?

and if they were willing to trade a pitcher, why would we want them?

by FunkeeC on Jan 30, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so

you don’t want to join any club that would have you as a member?

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Jan 30, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahah yes!

but what i was trying to say so inarticulately was that since the Tigers are so desperate for pitching that anyone they would be willing to trade would be of the Pinata level of talent….

by FunkeeC on Jan 30, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just threw it out there because the Tigers have a need in the outfield....

More specifically, a need for a platoon partner for Marcus Thames. It would be a time for them to “sell high”, possibly, on Gallaraga.

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Always good for an eye roll or choke or stomach churn. . . I'd first like to thank Jesus for the . . .

game winning home run . . . win. . . etc

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Jan 30, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

special Cardinal cliche:

“Getting Carpenter back before the All-Star game will be as good as pulling off a major trade.” You can substitute Mulder, Clement, Rolen, Edmonds, Glaus, Isringhausen, Johnson, Kinney, etc.,etc.,etc.

by vinniefromjersey on Jan 30, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The ghost of lboros!

How would people think about acquiring Washburn?

Last year his BABIP was the highest of his career, possibly because of the Mariners’ bad defense. He’s a fly ball pitcher and we have a whole slew of outfielders who can really chase down the ball. His strikeouts were down from 07, but up from 05-06. His walks actually went down last year. And, hey, he throws with his left hand!

The Mariners have a bit of a gap in left field, with Gutierrez and Ichiro in CF and RF respectively (I think). Endy Chavez appears to be the front-runner for that spot.

Washburn is making $10.35 million this year. The Mariners might eat some of that, depending on who we give them back. Right now, they have King Felix, Washburn, Morrow, Bedard, Batista, Rowland-Smith, Olson, and Feieraband possibly getting starts.

Thoughts?

by mojowo11 on Jan 30, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see it.

Maybe even as part of a larger deal that brings back my man-crush Jose Lopez.

Seriously, Barton would probably be enough to get him, but that varies, of course, depending on how much of that contract the M’s will eat.

Don’t forget Carlos Silva in that rotation.

by Czechguardsman on Jan 30, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Whatever it takes to help the team win."

With these words, Skip Schumaker accepts demotion to Memphis to make room for Raz.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 30, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

or learns how to play 2B

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...Oh yeah, and by the way....BEN SHEETS!!!!!

by RunninRedbird on Jan 31, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And maybe becomes emergency catcher while he's at it.

Skippy as utility guy is an idea I can get my mind around. Every team needs one or two, and I am by no means convinced that Thurston or Barden can fill that role. Just as long as his new-found “veteran” status doesn’t block Raz.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 31, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know we joke about this anyone-can-play-anywhere thing a lot, but

can’t Joey really play third?

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by Gregatron on Jan 31, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it has seriously been mentioned that Mather will be tested in spring training to be a super utility guy, they are even going to give him some time at 2B as well

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably, but

that’s not where the problem is. He’ll be useful on days when Glaus, or whoever fills for him, needs a break. He won’t play there on a continuing basis, as for example if Glaus is on the DL. Spelling middle infielders is also necessary, and Bombs doesn’t seem to fit that.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 31, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Skip goes to Memphis and Duncan is on the team

without actually having had a better spring training,

I cry foul.

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 31, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

because skip's potential is SO much higher than duncan's.

oh, wait.

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 31, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So you think an outfield of

Ankiel, Ludwick , Rasmus (starting?)

Barton, Mather on the bench.

Who am I leaving out?

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by Gregatron on Jan 31, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well

if Mather ends up being the super utility guy, then we could have Skip around and platoon him with Barton… if he doesn’t really stick in that role, then I’d rather have Barton or Mather in the outfield than Skip or Duncan… Rasmus might not be one of the starters there, Mather or Barton might be better to start the season out. Ank and Lud should start most of the time. I wouldn’t mind seeing Rasmus brought up mid-season however, that might solve a lot of issues; hopefully when he would be brought up it will be because we traded an outfielder or two for someone useful, i.e. more pitching or a young 2B

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's an outfield you can grow old with.

Offense, defense, decent speed, balanced on handedness, and by and large, cheap. You might consider Lil’ Dunc instead of Crabman, for added firepower (more important than speed) and the ability to spell AP at first occasionally.

One thing to watch out for is a tendency to demote Raz when (not if) he has his first protracted slump against major-league pitching. Everybody goes through those; even Pujols did. If that is successfully fought, you’re looking at an outfield there that is a source of strength for years to come — and Daryl Jones is lurking in the wings…

by StanTheManFan on Jan 31, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and John Jay

Mather can back up first btw, I think Barton is our best option to leadoff, until he proves that his OBP is not going to be beneficial there. otherwise, I would like to see a guy with some real speed leadoff sometimes, someone we otherwise don’t have.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OBP + Speed

= a very nice lead-off person.

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 31, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

that’s why it’s a shame that Barton is essentially blocked

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My thinkinng

Is that Barton and Schumacher would make a great lead off and LF platoon, with Rasmus in CF and Ludwick in right. But this leaves out Mather and Ankiel… damn we have a lot of good outfielders!

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by Gregatron on Jan 31, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Jones and Jay

Not ready yet but hopefully coming soon.

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 31, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this has become a common thing to say, and i may even have said it at one point

but to play devil’s advocate, why?

if barton is good enough to play the field and to hit leadoff, HE doesn’t need a platoon partner. SKIP needs a platoon partner. I like Skip, he’s a talented player, but as long as he sucks up two roster spots, i wonder what long-term value he presents. i sure don’t want to be stuck using skip or barton as a late-inning pinch hitter because that’s how we’re managing our roster. I’d much rather use a slugging OF as a pinch hitter (Mather, Dunc) in late innings. if the need to carry this two-headed hydra of low-power, high-obp outfielderness keeps us from having effective pinch-hitting, i don’t like it.

by tom s. on Jan 31, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's certainly not the most elegant solution.

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 31, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you make a pretty good point. I’m not sure who is better, Schu or Barton, but your thought about saving a roster spo/tplatton guy for a person with power is compelling. I need to rethink my position perhaps.

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by Gregatron on Jan 31, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because Skip's performance is so much better than Duncan's

Why are either of them still being judged by potential? They’re not kids. If Duncan outperforms Schumacher, then take him. Otherwise, don’t.

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 31, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

final thought on cliches

as a kid, I thought sports reporter would be the coolest profession…..now I think waiting for hours to hear a coach/manager/player spew this nonsense and rarely telling the truth would drive one insane after a while……..maybe that’s why many reporters drink so much and often write even worse nonsense themselves when they get promoted to columnist

I’ve had two friends become newspaper sports reporters both became fairly accomplished, both are now in alcohol rehab and out of the business

by Hinkster on Jan 31, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Man, I know it is Saturday...

But I’m stuck at work, eating some lunch, and I am desperate for some juicy Cardinals-related content.

by mattybobo on Jan 31, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

where’s our new post! I need it, I’m hooked!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 31, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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