Community Projections -- Khalil Greene

by chuckb on Jan 3, 2009 10:49 AM EST in News Comment 187 comments

Community projections are back, baby! I know this is one of everyone’s favorite topics during the doldrums that our baseball-less winters have become so I thought we’d start w/ our newest acquisition – Khalil Greene. For those of you who are new here, every offseason we project several of the Cards’ players to see how well we all think they’ll perform this year and then, either tomorrow or for Thursday, I’ll tally it up and compare them to the other projections.

There are a couple of caveats: first, post your results in comma-delimited fashion – AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG. Please put no spaces between the categories. Hypothetical response (not my personal projection) – 466,116,16,64,.248,.304,.427

The other caveat is that you cannot cheat – everyone’s being held to the honor system here and Kenny Rogers isn’t allowed to compete. Don’t look at what the other projection systems have to say about Greene in ’09 before you make your own projection. You can, and should, look at what Greene’s done in the past to help you. Greene’s b-r page can be found here. Good luck, and let’s have fun with this.

In other news…and this doesn’t really qualify as news but Bill DeWitt’s being called cheap by some Cards’ fans b/c the team didn’t fork over the money the fans thought Brian Fuentes deserved – thus allowing him to sign w/ the Angels. Whatever…

However, the same article does seem to hint at La Russa’s frustration w/ the fact that the team hasn’t yet acquired Matt Holliday and Brian Fuentes saying "maybe we’re not done." (link below) And clearly he’s just as hurt as Miles was by their divorce.

"We took a big hit with Miles," La Russa said. "I never had a teammate any better than Aaron Miles, in all of the years I've managed. This guy deserves every bit of credit, recognition, respect for his three years with us that you could give him. This guy was really good for us. It was paining for him to leave us, and he left, and that's a tough loss."

Aaron will be ok, Tony. He just got $5 M. Maybe he’ll invite you out to the new ranch.

Two things jump out to me when reading Bernie’s column:

A lot of the "Tony hates young guys" stuff is overblown. There’s a ring of truth in it, IMO, but he’s quoted in the column saying that he wants them (Motte and Perez) to "learn" and "grow, without having the stress of it being all up to them to get that last out, and nothing to protect them." He continues, saying "if you really want to get serious about getting the most out of them for their career, you want to protect those guys this year while they're learning their trade." Now, I don’t happen to agree that these young guys will suffer irreparable harm by having them pitch in the 8th and 9th innings rather than the 6th and 7th or 7th and 8th, but I don’t believe that "Tony hates young players" either.
The other thing that strikes me about Tony’s disenchantment is that those of us who were concerned that Tony, rather than Mo, was steering the ship need not be. If Tony was steering the ship, Fuentes would have been guaranteed a 3rd year and Miles would’ve gotten a 2 year, $5 M contract to stay in St. Louis. It’s quite possible that Rasmus would’ve been traded in a deal for Matt Holliday as well. By and large, Mo’s done a good job. The team’s getting younger and, I think, better (provided we can find any damned pitching) and there has been, and will continue to be, a legitimate commitment to playing the young guys. Good for him.
Let’s hear it on Khalil Greene and I’ll have the results together either tomorrow or when I reappear (on the front page, anyway….My vacation is over.) Thursday.

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Pretty decent contract year for K-Bot

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

490,142,18,76,.290,.325,.450

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Jan 3, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

the axis of non-evil

I totally agree with your point that we may now conclude that TLR is not totally running the ship. In fact, I sense a nice balance of power/influence between DeWitt, TLR and Mo.

Great organizations have a great axis of Owner/GM/Mgr talent, consistency and unity. We got it and should be happy. We had for awhile with Walt and now its back. Even with Luhnow in the picture.

I do not believe DeWitt is cheap. I do not believe Mo is sitting on his hands. I no longer believe TLR runs the show.

As for those who believe otherwise……its called running a business sensibly on a budget. That always wins in the long run.

by Hinkster on Jan 3, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

You so burned Kenny Rogers

for that reason alone, I will participate

515,151, 20, 81,.293 .320,.485

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

You'll participate... but not follow the rules.

Be your own man!

515,151,20,81,.293 .320,.485

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Jan 3, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

damn spaces!

when will I learn these comma-delimit rules?!
thanks for helping me out there! I don’t even have the “had too many franklins” excuse this time, so I will blame it on the big breakfast (it can’t really be my own fault for never really paying attention, can it?)!

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

why you gotta throw McDonald's under the bus?

what’d they ever do to you except provide you with delicious fast food?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 3, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

big breakfast, not Big Breakfast

I can’t stand the eggs at that place, I got up and made my own breakfast. It was even good! Sometimes I surprise myself.

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Greene

467,116,17,62,.249,.297,.449

by roarke on Jan 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The bias in me hears

TLR says:
“I want them to learn and grow. Putting them in that high stress situation late in the game could do long term damage to their careers.”

What I hear:
“This is my last year damnit and if you stick me with these kids in a role I INVENTED, I’m going to write you a sternly worded letter.”

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 3, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

i don't hear this is my last year part, i hear

“i’m gonna stick around for a few more years so you better give me what i want or i’m gonna sit in the corner & hold my breath till you do.”

i don’t get the hand wringing over Mini Me. i get Tony’s because he’s pissed one of his toys was taken away, but the fans reaction is way overblown. if they are this pissed off a bench player was let go, it reinforces my belief they’ll want to hang MO from the Arch if he dare trades Ankiel. Mini Me is below average in every aspect of the game except girt & intangibles. you know the ones, like he could pitch the last inning of a 22-1 blow out & strike out the side.

fact is the guy had a career year thanks to Tony. if he played for any other manager he’d never get half the chances Tony gave him. and for that he owes Tony a lot of the thanks for his new deal. and we fans can finally sleep a little better at night knowing he’ll never again drive us batcrapcrazy by being our starting SS.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 3, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he's a fan favorite

because he’s got hustle! which doesn’t really directly convert to winning

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There always seems to be one of these guys around.

From Oquendo to Stubby Clapp to Rex Hudler to Joe McEwing to Brendan Ryan to Aaron Miles. There will be another, and fans will be in an uproar when he is jettisoned, as well. I can’t believe the Cubs were willing to pay him $4.9M over two years. Good luck with that ChiTown. It’s that kind of keen talent evaluation that leads to 100 years of ineptitude.

by etp_stl on Jan 3, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

man

rex hudler was fun to watch

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Hurricane!

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 3, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Head first slides into everything!

by spants on Jan 4, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wtf

birdland quoted grit as having received a last day offer form the cards for 2 years and almost the same money as the cubs. just more ammo for those who think mo is a bit rudderless.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Jan 3, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dodged a bullet there

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 3, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Almost

$1 million less. I’m hoping Mo intentionally bid a little too low.

by spants on Jan 4, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sounds like that's his style

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's crafty.

by spants on Jan 4, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
450,120,15,60,.267,.308,.425

Nice Robot

by azruavatar on Jan 3, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

good damage control by tlr

Glad to see him stand by miles, so that he will put the cards in a good light

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
525,145,31,92,.276,.320,.525

Very optimistic I know….but its a contract year, he’s had a lot of time off, and the religion he is puts a lot on things being focused and centered. Maybe this will be a good fit and everything will click for him (or maybe not, and it could look more like 450,100,11,55,.222,.290,.375)

Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?

by ForesterShane on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

put me down for

540,138,19,60,.256,.325,.440

by ecaw1123 on Jan 3, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

KG

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
500,124,17,65,.248,.295,.415

The rotoworld sidebar RE Carp closing scares me. If he can pitch, he should start.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

AVG = H / AB right?

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
511,139,14,63,.272,.312,.435

by ubeddie on Jan 3, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Khalil Greene conservative estimate...

540, 225, 65, 125, .345, .470, .800.

Gold Glove, All star game MVP, WS MVP, Comeback player of the year

by rva on Jan 3, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Watch spacing

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 3, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

some people!

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

dontyoumeansomepeople

by ubeddie on Jan 3, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

indeed

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

Big breakfast?

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 3, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry.

It was a joke post anyway if you look at the numbers

by rva on Jan 3, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Right, I should have caught that. Suppose it’s better you didn’t space correctly then.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 3, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I’m shocked to see some pretty optimistic projections. This guy has hit over .270 ONCE in his career, is there any specific reason to think he will hit .290? That would be awesome though…

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 3, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

nothing but the stars lining up right...

you know, intangibles.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Jan 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

my try

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
508,129,16,63,.255,.315,.441

by nmstar on Jan 3, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

129/508 = .2539, which is a .254 BA, not .255

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 3, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

wow

by vivaelpujols on Jan 3, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

man

that guy was way off!

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2009 1:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

for real this time...

500,140,18,66,.280,.322,479

by rva on Jan 3, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

throwing it out there

495,130,15,70,.250,.310,.432

i think allowing me to do this will mess up the projections for everyone, oh well

i take your signatures and use them as away messages

by ihavebadknees on Jan 3, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Some people need calculators

130/495 = a .263 BA, not .250

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 3, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Greene

510,130,15,70,.255,.310,.435

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 3, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Here we go

426,115,20,72,.271,.325,.491

by Harknights on Jan 3, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'll give it a shot.

475,123,18,75,.260,.305,.430

by etp_stl on Jan 3, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Apparently I looked too quickly.

Our self-appointed arithmetic teacher is correct. I must have gotten a little excited in my rounding. My actual line should be:

475,123,18,75,.259,.305,.430

My bad. If some would prefer, then it is really .25894736842105263157894736842105. (Found my calculator for ya)

by etp_stl on Jan 3, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A little help from leaving PETCO, but not much

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

435,104,15,72,.240,.305,.469

by lightbulb on Jan 3, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Oh, why not

480,102,16,70,.266,.299,.414

Monta! Montaye! Montae!

by Baked Biedrins on Jan 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Sheesh. These last 4 attempts are all off on BA!!!

Harknights – should be .270
etp_stl – should be .259
lightbulb – should be .239, unless you always round up when even a little bit over
Baked Biedrins – way off. should be .213

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 3, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Better in a contract year

549, 153, 14, 68, .279, .341, .423

by stltxfan on Jan 3, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

spaces!

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Jan 3, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

loud noises!

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

read the post first!

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

KG's projections

Anyone else hear think of Kevin Garnett when they hear KG? I may have to switch to calling him K-Bot.

I have some projections for Khalil from when I helped thegodfather do his post. But I’ll be a bit more optimistic for the guy with this:

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
494,131,17,68,.265,.312,.424

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Jan 3, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG.

515,131,19,66,.254,.305,.433

Tony’s comments about Miles were both interesting and terrifying…First, he seems to think the team can’t survive without Scrapford von AaronMiles. But, it is kind of nice of him to say those things, considering that he’s been considered by many to be, well, an unfeeling baseball cyborg or something.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 3, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wait

Are you saying he’s not? ;)

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 3, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't ruled it out

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 3, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

evil robots!

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is NOT azru!

The Machines are the enemies of Nice Robots everywhere.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Khalil Greene projection

475,125,22,79,.263,.295,.430

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 3, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Khalilbot

520,132,13,67,.253, .308,.438

"Great Scott!" -- Doc Brown

by jacksonian on Jan 3, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Khalil Greene 2009 projection

429,110,14,67,.256,.310,.425

by block writer on Jan 3, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

440,115,19,72,.261,.308,.470

I think his SGL gets a boost getting out of petco and facing the weaker central rotations. Facing the Reds, Pirates, Brewers (without sheets and CC) and Astros starters should help. Overall though, I still think he strikes out a lot, just hits a few more HRs and 2Bs. This kind of line will keep me happy though as long as his defense is solid.

by stickman179 on Jan 3, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

The Reds have a weak rotation?

Still looking for 1985 Regular Season games on DVD/VHS

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 3, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

potentially weak

potentially strong, big ?

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

weak central rotations

The point isn’t just about the Reds, but yes their rotation is weak, last year only 1 starter, Volquez had and ERA+ of over 100. Comparing the central to the west, leaving out the cardinals and padres, Greene’s past and future teams, last year the central had 9 starters post an ERA+ of 100 or better while starting 20 games. 9 pitchers across 5 teams. Also 4 of those were on the cubs. Where as the West saw 12 pitchers post ERA+ of 100 or better across 4 teams. Simply speaking he was facing much better pitching more often in the west. His performance should be helped by the lesser competition. So when he closes his eyes and swings really hard, there is going to be an increased opportunity to actually hit the ball.

by stickman179 on Jan 3, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

KG Projection

540,134,19,74,.250,.300,.428

by Mcgeesabeast on Jan 3, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

480,154,22,80,285,328,480

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 3, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

hopefully the lack of periods will not mess that up

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

but the lack of a calculator might

154/480 = .321, not .285

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 3, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

oops

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i was drunk

that’s my story & i’m sticking to it

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 3, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats funny

My dad said the same thing when I was a kid when I asked him where I came from

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 3, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 4, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Reminds me of

the Calvin and Hobbes strip where Calvin asks his dad where he comes from, and the dad replies “Oh, you were a Blue-Light Special”.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 7, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

510,139,23,76,.257,.297,.455

by huts04 on Jan 3, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I give up.

Too many errors in the BA throughout this post, it’s too hard being a math major and anal-retentive.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 3, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

didn't think of doing that when i woke up

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

.273

gotta give ISGIGRA a bit of a break

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You've been worrying about a non-problem.

The goal is Delphi-method prediction of what KG will be like. Errors in the last significant figure aren’t going to affect that in the slightest.

A bigger problem is that some people seem to have been predicting “plate appearances” rather than “at-bats.” (At least I assume that’s why the one with the apparent .213 BA looks so weird.) Frankly, plate appearances may be the more useful thing to tabulate, because it’ll do better at showing how often KG is on the field, which is something we care about. However, it’s not what we were asked for.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 4, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

big year

479,127,23,75,0.265,0.326,0.491

W/2 triples, 35 doubles, 7 HBP and 36 walks. Book it ;)

He’s a rather extreme fly ball hitter, so up to about 10 points of batting average (20 OPS points) may depend on how many sac fly opportunities he gets.

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 3, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Greene....

525,134,20,82,.262,.312,.450

by The MooCow on Jan 3, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

.255

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Decent enough year to get good FA money

510,135,19,70,.265,.330,.450

by TheBirds on Jan 3, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Greene....

570, 150, 23, 73, .263, .310, .468

by CrimsonBirdFan on Jan 3, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG.

400,100,15,65,.250,.302,.433.

by stlfan on Jan 3, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think you picked that for the ease of calculating BA...good idea!

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sort of.

I always round my projections for AB…not usually to this extreme, but that’s what I’ve got…(made that the day he got traded to the Cards…I have a spreadsheet going.

by stlfan on Jan 4, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Projection

520,139,24,79,.267,.330,.458

by Gnick on Jan 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Khalil

ends up liking and totally being ready for STL

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
555,123,19,89,.257,.298,.454

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

make that 143 hits

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude, Spicoli

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
500, 120, 18, 70, .240, .290, .435

Hyperventilating prospect geek/If anyone will be doing the overrating of these Faberge' eggs, it will be me
Future Redbirds

by erik on Jan 3, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Spaces!

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Jan 3, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

darn it

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
500,120,18,70,.240,.290,.435

Hyperventilating prospect geek/If anyone will be doing the overrating of these Faberge' eggs, it will be me
Future Redbirds

by erik on Jan 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Khalil will be real

551,149,23,81,.270,.318.,484

Before anybody scoffs at me, all I did was take his career road numbers and extrapolate them out to 600 PAs. Don’t know if that is a realistic assumption or not, but I need something to feel positive about.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 3, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

stlcardinals.com

it’s official: front story says “And just as they did with Lohse, the Cards are still looking to add some depth to their starting rotation before the 2009 season starts.”
last I heard they weren’t really looking for a starter…
also, this is encouraging:
"Now, the Cardinals are looking for a closer and for an additional starting pitcher. They’d also be happy to find a way to make room for top prospect Colby Rasmus in the outfield — if that dovetails with improving the team elsewhere. "
sounds reasonable

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

good for a ss

495,128,19,65,.259,.326,.434

by mateodh on Jan 3, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Projections for Khalil (or shall I say Kal-El?)

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

485,124,17,70,.256,.317,.440

by wizardofozzie on Jan 3, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

More optimistic than with a lot of these

490,130,18,62,.265,.325,.445

Interesting how many of these predictions are clustering right around these numbers.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 3, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

490,127,16,61,.259,.325,.456

by Merry CRasmus on Jan 3, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

501,137,23,82,.272,.315,.464

Big year from the hippie. Doesn’t anybody else think he will destroy once he gets out of San Diego and gets to routinely face the Reds and the Pirates?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 3, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

plus he’ll get to play against the padres around six times.

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 3, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

.273....close

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 3, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

projection

510,140,22,74,.275,.319,.471

pretty optimistic…although eerily similar to the prediction right above me. predicting a good year away from petco and in a contract year.

by theWizard on Jan 3, 2009 4:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

some tasty waves and a cool buzz

460,116,16,58,.252,.290,.420

by adiueordie on Jan 3, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

K-Bot Projectionaries

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

512,117,21,59,.249,.299,.444,

by mojowo11 on Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ok,

this one’s too egregious, either subtract 20 points from BA or add 10 hits while subtracting one or two AB.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 3, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oy

For some reason I didn’t realize there might be math involved and just kinda made the numbers up independently. Thanks for catching that. Brain fart. Revised numbers:

512,128,21,59,.250,.299,.444

by mojowo11 on Jan 3, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Here goes nothin

531,142,17,71,.267,.311,.461

by iwannarock24 on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

First time projection.....

I know, shocking lets give this a shot…..
480,120,15,60,.250,.270,.430

by cyko42 on Jan 3, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

ok

455,130,18,51,.286,.312,.426

"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell

by albrtfn on Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

498,132,17,73,.264,.345,.444

by bearcatcardfan on Jan 3, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

more importantly

what jersey number will he wear?

i need to get my custom spicoli jersey made soon.

by adiueordie on Jan 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions 3 recs

awesome

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by cardsgirl95 on Jan 3, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

510,129,22,79,.253,.304,.441

by stl522 on Jan 3, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

greene

533,140,19,.263,.307,.481

by mdarshan on Jan 3, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

revision, i forgot RBI

533,140,19,78,.263,.307,.481

by mdarshan on Jan 3, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

career average year

500,126,15,65,.252,.305,.430

by DCGreg on Jan 3, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yaay! Community Projections are here! Community Projections are here!

Khalil-bot v2.0.0.9:

474,116,17,64,0.241,0.294,0.415

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 3, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

my guess

490,131,18,66,.263,.302,.470

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 3, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hoping he can finally crack .800 OPS (although in my projection he doesn't quite make it...)

500,129,23,80,.258,.318,.453

by BTown Birds fan on Jan 3, 2009 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Projections

First time poster so please take this with the desired intention…

If you have PA’s and Hits, isn’t it redundant to project a BA? Maybe you extrapolate the BA or the hits so you only have one or the other and it doesn’t foul up your projections?

510,129,20,70,.253,.304,.441

by OldieWan on Jan 3, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yes, and, yet, no

With the projections asked for (AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG) projecting AB,H will give you AVG so it is redundant. However, we are not projecting PA,BB,HBP,2B, or 3B so you have to do some figuring to come up with OBP and SLG.

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 3, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up. I grew up in the Little Rock area…you like the new stadium there?

by OldieWan on Jan 3, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It looks nice from the interstate

My username is a tribute to the ‘old’ Travs, when they were the Cards’ AA affiliate. Now I don’t root against the current Travelers club (except when they play Springfield), but I’ve not been to the new stadium yet. I think, out of protest, I won’t go until Bill Valentine is no longer with the club.(joking, kind of)

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 6, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Spicoli Rules!!!

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
550,151,27,82,.270,.327,.473

DUDE!!! seeing how spicoli wont have the same primo waves and kind bud to be rippin, i think he may find a little love for baseball again. right on brah!

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o189/nikita1223/157_spicoli_bong.gif

Why don't we get glausy eyed and put back some franklin's....

by punksoulbrutha on Jan 3, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

151/550 = .275

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 3, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Baseball news, sort of, in January

So, me and the wife went to Battlefield Mall in Springfield today to do a little post Christmas shopping. After striking out and heading for the door, a large black man caught my eye. Not because I am racist and fear large black men, but because this large black man looked very familiar. I said to the wife, “thats Ryan Howard!” She answers, “Who?” I say, “I swear to God, that was Ryan Howard.” She replies, “Doesn’t he play basketball? No, wait football.” I give her the look and grumble, “Baseball.” So, she decides she would like to see Mr. Howard and we reverse field and head his direction. After he stops off in Foot Locker, I head toward a buddy who works at the Sprint kiosk and tell him that Ryan Howard is behind us in Foot Locker. He says “No way!” But looks over my shoulder anyway and confirms, “holy crap, that is Ryan Howard.”

By this time the wife decides that she would like a picture with him. So, I approach. The Foot Locker associate/ NBA referee is helping Mr. Howard and a child (I presume his son) pick out some shoes. When the associate leaves to retrieve a pair of very ugly shoes for the kid, I take the opportunity to ask for the picture. I say, “excuse me, Mr. Howard, my wife would like a picture with you.” He replies, “Not today man, I’m busy shopping.” Which was fine with me, because I’m not real big on disturbing people like this when they are busy, so I engage him in a little small talk about the WS rings and we leave him to be.

AfterI walked out of the store, the four or five teenage boys who had been standing about 10 feet away from him saying, “I’m about to faint, thats Ryan Howard!” finally got up the courage (probably from my encounter) to ask for autographs, which he obliged.

I have to say this was an enjoyable encounter, one that I won’t forget for awhile. I just wish I had the photo to prove it. But, either way, I found him to be a very nice man, someone StL should definitely be proud to say is a son of the city.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 3, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I had the pleasure of meeting him before he became Ryan Howard

He was still a AAAer stuck behind Jim Thome. I’m a tall, fairly strong dude and I felt like a pipsqueak. I think he only had one inch and about 30 pounds on me, but I felt much much smaller. He’s a very kind and funny fellow. Even after he won that MVP award that Albert should have won, I couldn’t get too mad.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 3, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what was he doing in Springfield? i thought he lived in or around the STL?

i knew he went to college down there but had no idea he lived there. very cool story scoot. Springfield is a cool area, i love it down there. i’ve been Battlefield many times, but only once on a Saturday. what on earth made you go there on a Saturday? i’ll have to pass this along to my cousins who live down there.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 3, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I dont know

What he was doing in Springfield. I’m pretty sure, as you say, he lives in StL still. He had a kid with him, a boy around 7 or 8. I dont know if he is married, or if this was possibly a child from a relationship he had when he was going to school at MSU.

As far as why I was shopping on Sat, the wife thought it would be a good idea to go spend the gift cards we got for christmas. Turns out she was right, but not for the shopping.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 3, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

More Pessimistic Projection

Multiply 2008 stats by .67, multiply 2007 stats by .33, and add together:

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
462, 106, 15, 58, .229, .270, .381

This may seem pessimistic, but this is a player who over the past two years has had 4.2 strikeouts for every walk he has drawn. And he’s getting worse:

Year K/W Ratio
2006 2.23
2007 4
2008 4.55

His main problem as a hitter has not been playing in Petco. He is simply way too hacktastic to consistently be a productive hitter, unless he turns that ratio around. Mo has been a pretty good judge of talent, though, so hopefully he tops that above line.

by tarakas on Jan 3, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

No spaces, please

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 3, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

just so I understand better

my understanding of Petco is that it is very spacious (e.g. CF was too big for the aging Edmonds to patrol)… so why wouldn’t that BENEFIT a hacker? If indeed hackers tend to have odd slices and flares off the bat, why wouldn’t a spacious OF be good?

by the Tewk on Jan 4, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he's an extreme line drive / fly ball hitter (68.2% in 2008, 66.3% career)

and petco is death to fly balls and liners. Cuts doubles by 12, hr’s by 14, reduces the number of line drives and causes 5% more line drives to be caught for outs. Also causes 16% more foul fly balls to be outs. That alone is huge, and the combination of factors is tremendous.

It also causes 8 percent more strikeouts than the average park. For a guy who strikes out a lot and hits fly balls when he doesn’t strike out, Petco must feel like the world’s largest coffin.

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 6, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder what that does to an hitter's confidence.

It seems like year after year of watching batted balls that should go for extra-base hits get caught for outs would make an hitter question everything about his swing and approach, wouldn’t it?

by etp_stl on Jan 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As far as Bernie's Column Goes...

DeWitt says the Cardinals are financially hampered because they privately financed their stadium? Is this the same stadium DeWitt said the Cardinals needed to stay financially competitive?

by tarakas on Jan 3, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

refinance today!!

save a pot load of money!!

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Jan 3, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought the state of MO

had to pay a lot for that stadium?

this line is dedicated to '09

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

they were supposed to use around 40M of state funds for the infrastructure around the ballpark

I think most of that was used for the work done on Interstate 55(?) right off the stadium. I am sure someone has the details.
It was mostly paid for with private bonds, at least that is what I remember when they rolled out the plans for it.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 4, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They are also getting some tax breaks

To offset paying back the bonds (which are like $16 million a year). Basically eliminating the tax for tickets (3.5 million or so).

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)

by DiscoJer on Jan 4, 2009 5:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, ...

I found this article from a google search. It explains the break-down of the stadium financing.

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/000324.html

The short gist is that the Cardinals put up $90M in cash and $200M in private bonds that they must repay. The state gave $42.7M, the county gave a $45M loan, and the city provided $3.4M/year by eliminating a tax.

So, no, the state did not pay a significant portion of the #387M stadium that was built.

by etp_stl on Jan 4, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

K-bot

(I like that name, either that or Spicoli)

525,138,17,75,.263,.318,.429

That’s w/ 30 2B, 3 3B, and I just used his career (or close to it) difference between BA and OBP.

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 3, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

he looks almost exactly like spicoli.

plus i’ve been calling him that for years anyway.

by adiueordie on Jan 4, 2009 3:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Khalil

542,159,23,86,.287,.341,.498

Optimistic, eh?

by njnick on Jan 3, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

sorry.

That average should read .294.

by njnick on Jan 3, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

May 2009 bring health, patience and power:

564,148,29,88,.262,.328,491

by chicagocardfan on Jan 3, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Missouri Rock Opera

510,131,17,76,.257,.330,.485

I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck

by bukowski on Jan 3, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

K. Greene

547,139,19,79,.255,.297,.440

by Youneverknow on Jan 3, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hot start, mid-season injury, lagging finish

487,139,21,81,.285,.332,431

by guayzimi on Jan 3, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Because he is a free agent next year

I’m optimistic.

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
450, 130, 15, 80, .288, .340, .450

by JWO on Jan 3, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Alright, I got

515,142,22,78,.272,.345,.480

That’s AB, H, HR, RBI, AVG, OBP, SLG.

And stellar defense, Go Cards.

He winds up for the pitch, it's a SCREWBALL!

by Mr.Game7 on Jan 3, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

greene

510,140,18,70,.275,.340,.440

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Jan 4, 2009 12:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Grenne

498,129,16,65,.259,.319,.426

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.

by lunchboxbomb on Jan 4, 2009 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

So I got my batting average right

But can’t spell Greene :/

by lunchboxbomb on Jan 4, 2009 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

this has been up on USA Today's main baseball page for a few days now

sorry, this has. a lot of quotes i’ve seen this week have come out of that article but i haven’t actually seen anyone link it yet, so if you did, dan, chuck or AZ just blow this sucker up.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 4, 2009 12:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Its Revolting that Joel Pinero has the 4th highest salary on the team

by Walking Underwear on Jan 4, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Greene

489,127,16,62,.260,.292,.470

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2009 1:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Optimistic but plausible

492, 130,19,75,264,333,468

even if his defense is just average with this offensive output would be an amazing thing for this lineup…

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber

by nomar34 on Jan 4, 2009 1:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Forgot the damn decimals

492, 130,19,75,.264,.333,.468

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber

by nomar34 on Jan 4, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Khalil

600,158,22,68,.263,.300,.467

Under the assumption we don’t obtain a reliable backup SS. TLR like to spread around the ABs

by Beware the Molinas on Jan 4, 2009 1:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

479,127,28,86,.265,.363,.476

It’s a lot like swinging in the dark since there’s no true idea where in the lineup he’ll primarily be, but I’m thinking 6th. So should see plenty of RBI chances you’d think.

I’ll stay a little lower on the AB since this is a Tony team afterall.

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 4, 2009 2:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

.363 OBP?

what is he, Troy Glaus?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually meant .336, but I’ll keep it.

Color me optimistic with KG in a new home.

One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.

by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 4, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would literally crap myself if he did that...

…But I would be very happy in the process.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2009 5:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Greene

450,115,18,68,.255,.305,.435

"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."

by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 4, 2009 2:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

520,136,16,62,.303,.262,.454

Color me pessimistic (no reason, just gut feeling)

The artist formerly known as...
Mr Redbird @ Viva El Birdos
PowerOfDixieland @ Track Em Tigers, other SEC blogs

by jd is legend on Jan 4, 2009 2:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

have you got your BA & OBP switched around?

I know his OBP has been bad, but 40 points below his BA?

It must be the Georgia educational system, the formerly Mr. Redbird

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 4, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

we could be twins

scary

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Jan 4, 2009 4:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Yes they are

The artist formerly known as...
Mr Redbird @ Viva El Birdos
PowerOfDixieland @ Track Em Tigers, other SEC blogs

by jd is legend on Jan 4, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Greene Projection

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

520,160,19,77,.308,.375,.420

by mwinf12 on Jan 4, 2009 3:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

K to the G

450,114,19,75,.253,.379,.464

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 4, 2009 4:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

.379 OBP?

Wow!

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2009 5:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's a lot of Walks.

by etp_stl on Jan 4, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

91 walks, to be exact

He’s only walked more than 1/2 of that once in his career.

by lunchboxbomb on Jan 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Greene

580,160,15,70,.275,.320,,419

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)

by DiscoJer on Jan 4, 2009 5:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

such a nice, even looking projection

by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2009 5:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

my projection

530,148,19,80,.280,.330,..480

Hope it turns out true!!!!

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Jan 4, 2009 6:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Opps

Format fixing

530,148,19,80,.280,.330,.480

GO CARDS

by SuperSeve on Jan 4, 2009 6:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a big believer in Contract-Year Play

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

502,130,21,74,.251,.320,.420

Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!

by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

we'll be ok....

415, 105, 20, 75, .253, .294, .470

Khalil will get banged up a little… but Joe Thurston and Brian Barden are ready.
Also see mid-late season call-up of Wallace… once he gets here, he’ll stay.
Good Luck to Aaron, he won’t be worth the money in Chi-town. Piniella is not quite as
good as LaRussa in managing a bench, or knowing his personnel.

by spick5a on Jan 4, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

If I'm not too late

AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG

500,125,15,75,.250,.300,.425

by JBrew on Jan 4, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Good Year!!

533,147,22,81,.275,.335,.455

by Walking Underwear on Jan 4, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Using B-R as my guide

average of top 5 comps (thru age 28) in their age 29 seasons:

372,94,13,52,.252,.312,.407

by capn crunch on Jan 4, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

That is a pretty good method, but do you really see him playing barely half the season. Those ABs seem extremely low for an everyday SS even with a platoon-happy manager.

by etp_stl on Jan 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs