Manny Ramirez

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2008/12/31/705813/manny-ramirez-vs-ben-sheet
Using WAR, you could make a case that signing Manny and trading Ludwick for a cost controlled starter would improve our team more than signing Ben Sheets and keeping Ludwick. Judging by the comments, the general consensus was to stay away from Manny.

but …Hot Stove Thread

I would LOVE to see Manny in a Cards uniform, just so I could study his swing.

P.S. I don’t know if this is being discussed in the HS thread. I don’t look in those threads because they are such a jumble of random things. I prefer one fanpost per topic.

Hot Stove….

he would be that highest paid bench player. we didnt resign miles for the bench.

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

1) It keeps Albert happy. Dont know how much this will help future Albert negotiations but I imagine it cant hurt.
2) Can trade Ludwick/Skippy for pitching help whether it be for now or for the future.
3) Can trade Ludwick for upgrade at 2nd base.
4) Dont have too worry about 3rd base if Glaus is slow to come back and the internal options are not hitting. Manny would more than make up for the difference.
5) Whatever makes Albert happy.
6) Manny is a gate draw. Ask the Dodgers how much he helped filling the stadium.

Give him 10 mil a year, trade Ank and Schu, and we might win a few.

Ok, back to reality, It would be absolutely amazing to have Manny in a redbird’s uni, but wouldn’t you rather have sheetsy?

is running teasers about Albert asking the front office for Manny. Anyone know where he made the comments and in what context? I’m currious if it was like “sure, I’d like to have Manny on my team” more in support of Manny than in belief that this is possible in this lifetime, or if it was more like “get me Manny or some other damn protection in the four hole and field a better team or the Yankees will be moving Texiera to DH in a couple years.”

We’re not going to sign Manny Ramirez. But the telling, and most encouraging part of the article at the AP was this kersnippet:

" ‘Maybe St. Louis doesn’t have the money to sign him, but he could give them a discount because St. Louis is a great city that supports its players,’ Pujols said. "

If he is set on the idea that Manny Ramirez should take a significant pay cut just to play in St. Louis, this puts my mind at ease thinking about the 2011-2012 offseason. I still think the FO should be saving money to pony up the $30 mil per he deserves when the time comes, but this quote lets me believe that the Yankees won’t be able to lure him away with $35 mil per.

the fact Pujols said it is worth it to give up $ to play in St. Lou. I believe he will be paid handsomely in his next contract, but I have a feeling he will not try to break our backs (30+mil/yr) and we will witness the greatest player that ever lived wearing the beautiful birds on the bat his entire career!!!!

Maybe they can let him sweat another month and make him this year’s Kyle Lohse. :)

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For 1/15? I doubt it. Sheets 1/10? Does the front office have 25m? Hell 10m for that matter. Manny and Sheets could mean a NL Pennant! But it will not happen.

Quite a few people here complain that the kids don’t get an opportunity to play. This year looks like some will, and we are unhappy? I for one didn’t expect much this off season. Get SS, choose between Kenney and Lopez, shore up the bull pen, and they did all that. Another starter would be nice. This might be done by moving the outfield surplus, but this will have to wait to ST.

Oh, still snowing here. We are up to 122" poor Oswego is getting nailed again.

I agree with the Cardinals decision to not sign Manny Ramirez. He’d ask for a lot of money, and no one wants to deal with “Manny being Manny”. I’d hope that he wouldn’t be a headache, but he could have a repeat of his Boston episode…

Anyways, the Cardinals have more outfielders than they can handle. Manny’s signing would only create more of a problem, and it’s a big enough issue as is.

Is if we happen to trade off Ankiel and prospects for a cost-controlled pitcher first, giving us some extra money to sign him for 15-20, and maybe Sheets if we are lucky as hell.

But imagining:

1. Schu/Barton
2. Raz
3. Mangny
4. Mang
5. Luddy
6. Glaus
7. Molina
8. Kennedy
9. Pitcher

Got me wet.

Conceivably 6-7 consecutive batters with OB% over .350, possibly 4-5 in a row with .375, possibly 4 consecutive with .500 slg, and maybe back-to-back over .600.

Yes I wrote this post with the prose of a melting ice cube, but my head just isn’t on right at the moment.

absolutely not.

Manny is highly priced, and even with a “discount” he is absolutely not worth the money. This makes absolutely no sense for all the reasons signing Sheets does make sense. This is NOT a deal. This is NOT a position of need. There is NO upside.

Manny – Ankiel – Ludwick in the OF

Sign Manny with a 12 Million, 1 year, incentives up to 25 mil deal.

With Rasmus in AAA until someone gets hurt and he can get called up to start.

Dunc/Mather and Barton/Skip as the backup OFers/Utils/AAAers.

Loving the lineup possibilities.

with this tripe about signing a terrible deal with Manny.

Okay lets pay him all the money we’re gonna have to give Albert in a couple years!

..Albert’s comments…were for the Dominican readers and press only? It may be my media bias, but this seems blatant patriotic back patting with media spin to me. Albert can have as big a heart as he wants to show support for Manny and to be fun by paying him the complement that he would “love to be on the same team with him”…..but that’s a far cry from having any effect on the complex economics that shape a SABR-metric-ly scrutinized roster….especially with the possibility of a pending drop off in ticket sales due to the economy. Fun to imagine Manny hitting fourth…but I am not finding it to be relevantly news worthy at all. Just Albert being his supportive fun self.

About July 30th, Manny was traded to the Dodgers, the following month, he had a BA of .415, with the first 6 games he averaged .567. Think of what he could do when he enters a new atmosphere like St. Louis.

I would even consider a fourth year at the right price, but picking him up entails getting rid of Ludwick and Skip. For those two, you might be able to get a quality starter.

The argument for Manny is not to waste Albert’s prime — Manny gives us a chance to hit playoffs all three years without major upgrades to rotation. I think with Glaus coming off the books next year it doesn’t look like it would break the bank.

And if we can’t get Sheets as a result, let’s get Pedro for two years.

St Louis has made no real major moves in the last few years… There is a window here that is open while Puljos is still a Cardinal that will close when he is gone… Why would we not sign Manny??? Makes no sense to me at all… It does not gurantee anything but I think it puts us seriously in the mix vs just in the mix… I would do whatever Puljos wants because we want to keep him!!!

As long as the stadium is full then ownership has no real incentive to make any moves… I am not saying to stop going!!! I am saying by signing Manny ownership is showing a commitment to winning and St Louis fans deserve this commitment because we are the best damn fans in the land!!!

Colby and BEN SHEETS!!!

Okay, probably not very patient on either account.

sign Manny after Albert signs his “discounted” extension? Start talking to Albert and get him to sign a reasonable extension where in the first 3 years, the discount Albert will take will cover for the cost of having Manny for 1-2 years.

So let’s say, Albert signs a 10 year 270 million dollar deal where years 1-3 are at 20 million and years 4-10 are at 30 million. The 30 million saved in the first few years can be used to sign Manny, and after Manny has played a year or 2 in St. Louis, his reputation is somewhat restored because Pujols (as a clubhouse leader) should be able to “control” Manny’s actions. At that point, Manny becomes a Type A free agent (who knows, compensation may change by then, Manny could be a Type AAA and we would get a 1st rounder and 2 sandwich picks – not likely though), we get our draft pick back, Wallace and Rasmus are both producing at the ML level and we can afford to pay Albert the 30 million/year it will cost to keep him (assuming he takes a discount). Both players could have the contracts ready to go, and Manny and Albert can have a dual press-conference to announce the World Series Rings they will be getting the following season. The added post season and WS revenue would also allow us to extend Wallace and Rasmus and not break the bank.

Also, Ben Sheets would notice the kind of offense in St. Louis and decide to sign for a very reasonable price, and we don’t have to worry about any injuries because with that lineup, all he has to do is throw strikes to chalk up a W (that lineup could make Aaron Miles a Cy Young candidate).

And his bat could take us to a RED October!! He played right field in Cleveland…put him over there…He’s a hittin’ machine!!! I think Albert could help his attitude as well!!

1 year, $25 million, no player or team options for 2010.

i don’t know what to think now. i really don’t.