Ankiel Community Projections
| AB | H | HR | RBI | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ankiel 08 | 413 | 109 | 25 | 71 | .264 | .337 | .506 |
| Ankiel 08 w/ 467.75 AB | 467.75 | 123.49 | 28.3 | 80.45 | .264 | .337 | .506 |
| VEB 09 | 467.75 | 128.39 | 28.95 | 86.73 | .274 | .339 | .513 |
Last year’s homer rate was 1 homer per 16.53 AB. This year, we have him projected for 1 every 16.16 AB. The RBI rate goes up a little in our projections. Possibly that’s an indicator that we expect the Cards’ offense to be a little better in ’09. I know I do. We should see a lot of Rasmus in the OF + there’s depth w/ Skip, Mather, and possibly a healthy Duncan rather than Miles/Kennedy/Lopez. Greene’s replacing Izturis at short and, as Dan and I said each of the last 2 days, the offense shouldn’t take too big a step backwards w/ Glaus out of the lineup for the first month to 6 weeks.
Here’s a look at the ranges for our various stats:
| AB | H | HR | RBI | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| High | 595 | 177 | 44 | 112 | .299 | .391 | .580 |
| Low | 312 | 80 | 14 | 48 | .241 | .302 | .435 |
The members who seemed to be closest to our community projection were IL and STLFan or tom s. who nearly nailed 6 of the 7 categories.
Now let’s see how the VEB projections compare to Marcel, Chone, and ZIPS.
| AB | H | HR | RBI | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CHONE | 446 | 113 | 25 | 66 | .253 | .319 | .475 |
| Marcel | 402 | 107 | 21 | 62 | .266 | .334 | .483 |
| ZIPS | 462 | 120 | 28 | 85 | .260 | .318 | .496 |
| VEB 09 | 467.75 | 128.39 | 28.95 | 86.73 | .274 | .339 | .513 |
Sheesh! Look at that ZIPS projection! Did you people cheat? Once again, we’re the most optimistic projection but it doesn’t seem to be near as pronounced as the previous projections for Ludwick, Wainwright, and Greene. And before you go all Earl Weaver on the Marcel projections – particularly as it relates to his ABs – it’s not all that far-fetched if Ankiel hits lefties in ’09 the way he did in ’08. His slash stats vs. lefties (in 123 PAs) were .224/.268/.448. Not good. And if Joe Mather plays well, especially against lefties, and Rasmus solidifies CF, Ankiel’s playing time against southpaws could fall appreciably. Now, Mather didn’t exactly knock the cover off the ball last year against lefties (.219/.292/.391) in his 72 PAs but his career minor league OPS is 124 points higher vs. lefties than righties so it’s possible that he could become an integral part of the lineup against lefties. The playing time could come down to Ankiel vs. Rasmus.
The interesting thing will be to see what an .850 OPS guy w/ 28 homers who can play any of 3 OF positions is worth on the free agent market next offseason. If Rick meets ours (and ZIPS’) projections, he’s going to earn 4 years and $10M + per season – probably near $50 M for 4 seasons. That probably, as some of you pointed out in the thread yesterday, will put him out of our price range for 2010, particularly in light of our OF depth in the system. Hopefully, Jay and Jones will be working their way closer to the bigs and Mather takes a step up this year. Who knows what Craig and Wallace are likely to do as they garner some PT in the OF but, as we’ve pointed out myriad times, this is far and away the deepest part of our minor league system. There just doesn’t seem to be a need to pay Ankiel, who’ll turn 31 in 2010, big money when we can get basically the same production for near the minimum and use that $10 M to bolster the rotation or SS.
In other news, there really is no other news – the Cards’ fanbase is pissed at Mo and DeWitt. Film at 11. Oh well.
67 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Dealing Rick during the sesaon
I was previously a big advocate of moving Rick in the offseason to make room for Ras. Clearly Mo made him available to teams who inquired so I must assume nothing of great value has been offered for Rick. With his injury history (and depressed performance during the period that TLR played Rick in 2008 while he was clearly injured), I can see why his stock is down. If Rick is on a pace for 25 HRs at the All-Star break and playing a respectable CF, he’ll have substantial value in the trade market. We’ll never resign him after the season so it makes the most sense to move Rick before the trade line and get Ras into the lineup every day. I know TLR would throw a hissy fit as the team will probably still be lurking in the standings hoping to make a move in the 2nd half but JMo has to be strong and move Rick when his value in the market is at its highest.
with you 100%
but we will lose this one. Mo won’t take the wrath of the fans (and/or Tony’s) if he peddles Ank, especially if the deal is less than stellar.
I’d love the OF to be Skip/Mather-Ras-Luddy; with Barton as the 5th sub. No Ank, no Dunc.
Confucius Says- Happy mooooooo year
First, a shout out to moocow. The lunar calendar just turned here in China- so we begin the year of the cow/ox.
Anyway, I don’t think the VEB prediction to be wild and I was about to say something similar to what jjray just posted.
Before, I had been in favor of just holding on to The Rick, and that wouldn’t be all so bad, but the way things are stacking up (and hopefully he does produce at a good level this year) I do agree that he should be moved sometime this season.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Rick Ankiel = Kyle Lohse
The feeling I get is that the Cardinals will hold onto Rick all season long and then sign a 5 year extension with him in August worth more than they can probably afford. He’ll block other OF’ers from getting playing time and 2010 will be more of 2008.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 25, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions
If Jock was still holding Dewallet's checkbook
I might see them doing something that stupid. But I hope and pray JMo takes a longer view of what is in the team’s best interest. The only way to extend Pujols for the king’s ransom he will command is to have a bunch young cost controlled players spread out on the roster. Rick is just a luxury they cannot afford long-term when considering stockpiling payroll for the Mang. And Rick’s injury history gives me cause for concern with a long-term deal. He reminds me too much of JD Drew in this regard (same agent too). That’s on top of the fact that we have a cheap replacement for Rick waiting in the wings. Rick has done an awesome job bridging the gap between Edmonds and Rasmus but, in the end, that should be his Cardinal legacy.
by jjray on Jan 25, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ras
I worry that Ras won’t meet everyone’s expectations. Where are we with a .238 AAA Ras in the big leagues? Skippie?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 26, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Similar but different feeling
I can see a 3 yr deal now to buy out last arb year and his first two free agent years. Thinking is that Ank loves playing in STL, has limited cities where his psyche would survive scrutiny, and Boras just pulled a similar move with Madsen. If Ank doesn’t get an extension now, he’ll be gone at mid year based on Raz and lack of playing time.
I believe the next year’s free agents will face the same problem as this year’s. Top 5% will get the money and length of contract, the rest will be scrambling for a paycheck. Ank’s would be betting on a full healthy productive season against signing a guaranteed contract extension. imo, Jayson Werth’s deal $7 mm is closer than Gary Matthews Jr $10 mm deal.
Projections
Thanks C, but I wonder how you generate the numbers? A little too ethereal for me. The mountains vistas of Nepal predict spring training will happen, a closer will emerge, and there will be deals made that satisfy the angry in the nation. By the way, I couldn’t believe some of the posts in Mo’s SPD chat. Must have been Cubs fans. I can’t believe the angst about Glaus. Mo got him in one of the best deals in awhile. I can remember everyone moaning on this site at the time that Glaus had no D, etc etc. He outperformed Scott hugely. I am surprised about the people complaining that the Cards are not proactive enough about health issues, although I understand the frustration. El Hombre has been playing with this bad elbow for some years, why wouldn’t Troy try to let it heal naturally? It didn’t work, got worse, so surgery. I would do the same.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 25, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions
I'm with you
Some of those ‘questions’ in the Post were something else. I can’t believe they allowed them through. Hopefully he makes some moves around spring training like he said.
by CardFan@theLake on Jan 25, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Link?
por favor
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 25, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.stltoday.com/discussions/sports/cards-live/LD011609628/all
not too bad a read really, it’s nice to see the guy act human
by CardFan@theLake on Jan 25, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
the numbers were community projections from yesterday
unless I’m misunderstanding your post
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 25, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
holy crap, i just had a WCBW flash back
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 25, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently...
…not all is well in Pinstripe Land.
Joe Torre wrote a book and some of the details are, well, interesting. Apparently Brian Cashman let Torre swing in the wind and Yankees players don’t like one of the game’s best players very much. Furthermore, I guess ARod had some kind of obsession with Captain Clutch. Who knows if any of this stuff is true. We’ll see I guess.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 25, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions
2006 World Series is on MLB channel. Anyone else watchin'?
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
I never got to see game 4. Should be a treat for me!
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
Wilson?
Im pretty sure he hurt his shoulder in the 06-07 offseason and was out for the whole 07 season. After that im not sure.
ray lankford
in his hey-days in the 90s. when he came back in 04 he just wasn’t the same slugger i liked.
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
ray lankford
He is the anti-Willie…….. The only Cardinal that was with the team for an extended period of time I have truly disliked. I will never forget the game where lankford picked up a double in the left field corner and TRYING to throw the ball home threw the ball into the stands. What a Bonehead!!!!!
His stuff was more fun to watch than anyone else
The 2-seam/cutter combo was so cool how they’re the same pitch at 30 feet and then they end up 8 inches apart or whatever. Then there’s the roundhouse curve, and just for kicks a changeup here and there. So many weapons to deal with as a hitter and he’d throw anything in any count.
Not afraid to nitpick
Too bad we didn't trade him when we should have!
nc.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
at least
Carp gave us 3 good years instead of mulder’s 1. Although carp still has a chance to at least pitch decently for us the next few years.
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
And a Cy Young
And a World Series (that he pitched in, well).
Still a bitter pill right now…here’s hoping Bill DeWitt’s best delusions come true!
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 25, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I love Carp for what he gave us, but it seemed to me that we should have traded him after 2006 when it was apparant (so I thought) that it was time to rebuild.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
trade him coming off of a WS title
when he was still a bad ass? I think the fanbase would have burned the new stadium down. Of course we could have traded him at the deadline in ’07.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Anyone the news
re: Kris Benson? Apparently threw in front of 9 teams, (only 7 mentioned) and the Dodgers and Cardinals were the teams that “expressed the most interest in his services”. Ugh. Please. Sure, he’d be cheap, but he hasn’t pitched in the majors since ’06. Maybe sign him to a minor league deal and invite him to ST, but nothing more than that, I hope.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions
Err...Anyone *seen* the news...
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Does that mean
that we can pay him $2M to work out when Looper would cost $5-6M to pitch? When Ben Sheets would cost $9M to pitch? Hell, I’d pitch for free.
All of these “low hanging fruit” deals add up. We should stop spending money on several reclamation projects and spend it on one or two good players.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 25, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I've been discovered
yes, I am indeed Bill Gibson, drummer for the News and when Huey left the band it was a very hard time for me. However, we hope to be producing a new album this year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 25, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and if you did
did you convince Tony to make Skip a second baseman?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Minor league contract is Benson's best hope
Similar to Freddy Garcia’s contract If he pitches well in ST then maybe he gets a spot in the rotation with an incentive laden contract. Otherwise he replaces Matt Clement in Memphis for two months, then signs with Toronto in 2010
Torontos SB nation blog
should be titled “Third generation Angels”
(though only one was an angel)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 25, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I was struck by some of Rick's splits when I check B-R for this project.
I always knew he struggled in late innings, but the gulf is enormous. He hits like Pujols in innings 1-3 and like Brendan Ryan in innings 7-9.
Check the splits (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS)
Inning 1-3 — .343 /.425 /.664/1.089
Inning 4-6 — .293 /.362 /.571 /.934
Inning 7-9 — .165 /.229 /.308 /.537
Now some of the late inning difficulties may be facing lefty-specialists. But even his LH splits aren’t as bad as his late inning splits ( v. LH: .224 /.268 /.448 /.717).
Is this random noise? We’re talking at least 140 PA’s in each third of the game for this season. His 2007 splits don’t reveal such an extreme trend, which makes me think maybe we won’t see the same split return. But the fact that we’re talking about a reasonable (not huge) sample size and such a striking gulf between early and late innings makes me worry.
that's funny
it makes me hopeful. He was obviously a different player in the late innings, and that’s easy to fix with either a “defensive replacement” or a pinch hitter.
Assuming he doesn’t fix it himself with yoga, post-hypnotic suggestion, or a tequila shot in the dugout after the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings. or something.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
Mather seems like a good fit as a late-game replacement, partially to get him PA's, partially
because he would mess with attempts to use lefty specialists in late innings, partially because his skill set matches w/ rick’s.
I hope the seventh-inning strech shot of tequila isn’t what’s causing the late inning struggles.
Yeah, but one of those inning 7-9 at-bats came in
this game. Sure, it’s a sample size of one, but that one really kicked ass!!
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 25, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
fyi
hummel says mo has final say on questions for his chats. double bad mo!
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Take it for what it's worth, but Bernie says
Mo doesn’t choose the questions – “I have no idea who does the screening. I do not know the specifics of the process. But he does not choose the questions.”
I’d be inclined to believe Hummel over Bernie, and if it’s true I agree that’s a bad one on Mo. He could still take critical questions to keep the whole process a little more legitimate and interesting; he just doesn’t need to take the questions from spoiled twelve-year-olds.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 25, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot to mention - it's not completely clear from the link, but if you look at more of the thread
it’s clear that “he” in the Bernie quote refers to Mo.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 25, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
When was the 11th Championship?
Unless you’re talkin’ about the “stolen” series of ’85?
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, yes.
Pre-1900 years. Forgot about those Von der Ahe teams.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
St Louis also won in 1885, tho it was later rules a tie.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
Watching Game 2 of 2006 WS now
It retrospec it seems obvious KR was pine-taring his fingers.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
you know
at the time, I HATED him for that. Now I look back on it, basking in the glow of the championship, and I am not so mad.
Sadly, I don’t get the MLB channel, so I can’t watch it.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
Give TLR credit
He didn’t want to make a big deal of it and distract his team. Most of Cardinal Nation, myself included, were not so magnamamous.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
Yeah don't ask Jillsinmo about that one
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 26, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions

by 
















