3, 2, 1...countdown
by chuckb on Jan 24, 2009 10:01 AM EST
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PrintMy 2 cents on the 3rd base situation – I know a lot of you have gone all "Yeah, David Freese!" with this, but that’s not exactly where I am. We have a ton of depth at third and I’d like to see an open competition in the spring between Freese, Wallace, and Craig. I realize that Freese is currently running ahead of the others on the depth chart, but I think we should throw the depth chart out, let ‘em play and see what happens. Give them PAs DH-ing, as well as at third and in split squad games…whatever. If Wallace or Craig can hit at the major league level, and field well enough for their bats to stick, let’s see it happen. If Freese wins the job, more power to him. The idea of sticking Joe Thurston there, however, is not at all appealing. At most, he’s a utility infielder w/ little upside. There’s nothing to be gained by going that route (and thank God that Craig Counsell resigned w/ the Brewers!). We’ve got 3 guys. One of them can get the job done in Glaus’s absence and if he doesn’t get it done, we’ve got 2 others we can promote. I see the injury as more of an opportunity than a challenge.
Second, if you saw Derrick Goold’s arbitration article the other day, you know that our roster matrix is wrong. Well, it’s not wrong yet but it will be as soon as Ludwick and Ankiel settle. I don’t see any reason that either will have a hearing. The Cards haven’t had an arbitration hearing in 10 years and that streak won’t be broken this year. Still, we have Ankiel down for $2.5 M in our matrix. He’s asked for $3.3 M in arbitration while the Cards have countered w/ $2.35 M. If it does go to a hearing and the Cards win, we’ll be very close to correct. However, I anticipate a settlement somewhere in the middle – around $2.85 M - $3 M. It won’t be a huge jump, but it will jump.
Ludwick’s the bigger "problem." Ludwick has asked for $4.25 M and the Cards have countered w/ $2.8 M. Our matrix has Ludwick pegged at $1.8 M so there’s going to be a jump of at least a million. If Ludwick wins the hearing, the jump will be almost $2.5 M. Again, the settlement will likely be somewhere in the middle – around $3.5 M – meaning an increase in what we’ve projected by $1.7 M. Add it up and our roster matrix is probably more than $2 M low and that means there’s $2 M less to spend on Ben Sheets. Sorry, guys, but I think if there was a 2% chance before that we would sign Sheets, it’s probably fallen to .2% or less. It’s just not going to happen. Teams are going to wait him out and let his price tag continue to fall, but I just don’t see it happening.
Let’s look at Ankiel, then. He’ll be earning somewhere around $3 M this year and is a free agent, represented by Scott Boras, at the end of the year. A little more than 2 months ago, I tried to estimate Ankiel’s value on the open market when he becomes a free agent. One of the comps that I saw then, and Goold sees today (see above link), is Gary Matthews, Jr. The Angels paid him $50 M over 5 years following a career year in his contract year. Think Rick has a career year in him? It’ll all depend on his ability to stay healthy.
Rick showed demonstrable improvement last year in his P/PA. In 2007, Ankiel saw 3.43 P/PA. Last year that number rose to 3.83 – a significant improvement. His offensive value is going to largely be predicated on his ability to see a lot of pitches (or at least an increasing number of pitches) and to improve his walk rate. The homers will come. The slugging percentage will be there. It’s going to be his OBP that determines whether he’s an average corner OF or an above-average corner OF. So, here we go…
What do you expect to see out of Ankiel this year? You know how it works – comma-delimited, NO SPACES (thanks to all of you who keep everyone on track)
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
No peeking at others’ projection pages. Please do use his b-r page to help you w/ last year’s, and ‘07’s numbers. I’ll report back tomorrow w/ the results.
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much like 2008
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
441,114,26,72,.259,.344,.515
I also see the Glaus injury as an opportunity to see what the kids can do. At least one should be able to set up, right? And if not, that make a case to keep Glaus around longer.
Sorry to reply to my own post
But, we are in a no win situation w/ Rick. If he has a down year, why would the Cards resign him? Especially with the glut of OF coming up. OTOH, if he has a big year, he will be much too expensive to resign. I just dont see how he wears Cardinals Red in 2010. Oh well, life goes on.
It's just like the J.D. Drew situation
from a few years ago. That’s why we should trade him for young pitching, if possible. I see it as less possible than I did a few weeks ago.
agreed
i really think we make some moves in ST….but if we are out of it at the deadline…we have to deal ankiel and glaus
Improvement due to better health
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
489,132,31,87,.272,.356,.514
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
Pessimistic projection
Would love to get a first hand account inauguration scene, Chuck. On to business…
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
410,101,17,61,.246,.322,.446
I think 2009 will be a big step back for Rick, sadly. We should’ve sold high(ish) this offseason. Suppose we still can.
He’s got an awfully scary Top 3 comps by age on baseball-reference (towards the bottom of his page): Brant Brown, Benny Agbayani, and Jason Lane.
All experience big production declines and are out of baseball by age 30. Slick Rick turns 30 this July.
Ankster
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
415,110,21,71,.265,.327,.494
These projections have been coming high for every player so far. Someone’s got to have an “average” year.
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
385,102,22,68,.265,.321,.512
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
522,135,34,106,.258,.327,.527
Pretty much the same as I projected last year
544,155,35,91,.285,.352,.551
More or less the same pace he was on in 2008 before the injury. Not really sure why I expect him to stay healthy, I guess it is just the optimistic time of the year.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
Higher OPS
It did not take too long for someone to beat the OPS I had predicted. Good. I don’t want to be the outlier. :)
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
455,123,27,82,.270,.345,.515
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 24, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions
I have a feeling 2010 will see rick in pinstripes
540,157,41,103,.291,.348,.550
with a dozen spectacular defensive plays mixed in.
then an injury filled 5 year $90 million stay with the yankees
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
But what do the Yanks give us for him?
That is, of course, assuming that we trade him to the Yankees before he reaches free agency.
by cardsgirl95 on Jan 24, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
i think he stays here all year
then becomes a type a free agent….
and we get 2 draft choices for him, unfortunately it will probably be like a 3rd rounder if the yankees do get him.
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
by ForesterShane on Jan 24, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Because that is how the Yankees roll.
But first we would have to offer Rick arbitration! Do the Cards do that? J/K
by cardsgirl95 on Jan 24, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
mark teixeira
we also give them rasmus and wallace and the yankees eat half of his salary
by krippledmaster on Jan 24, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Wow. That's a high price.
Even if the Yankees eat half of Tex’s salary, I’m not sure we should do that deal. Considering that we already have Pujols. :D
by cardsgirl95 on Jan 24, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
mark appeared to me in a dream
he said that he would play 2nd base for the cards (and only the cards) and that he was super good.
by krippledmaster on Jan 24, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
Why?
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 24, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
nice
it’s not really that much of a stretch either
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit
a .580 SLG would have been 4th in the majors last year. I’d be fine with that if he could pull it off, but I’m not banking on it.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 24, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Ankiel was slugging about .540 before he got injured, and he was showing real signs of improvement. If he is able to hit for a high average (which i think he will), than that kind of power isn’t out of the question.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
and even with the end-of-season slump
he finished the season with the following line in innings 1-6 (309 PA’s):
.319/.395/.619
not to start another “sample size” argument, because I understand all that, but this is rick ankiel we are talking about. If he can solve his late-inning demons, he’ll be albert pujols in CF.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
I know, he's a stud
but I don’t see it happening. He slugged .308 in innings 7-9 last year. I’ve got 1000000 internet dollars to vivaelpujols if Ankiel slugs .580 this year in 450+ ABs. ;)
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 24, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Slick Rick the Rulah
450,116,26,82,.258,.322,.488
I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds / PAH9
Ankiel
470,133,28,90,.282,.340,.515
Mostly (or entirely) for some other team….
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
444,123,29,88,.266,.333,.505
check out my blog: Redbird Ramblings
Brad Penny or Bust...scratch that, I'll take odalis perez now, that's how bad it's gotten.
waiting for the 2009 season to begin and colby rasmus to patrol centerfield!
What happened to the recommended FanPosts?
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I think there is a bug going around
the only way I can see FanPosts at all is to hit the link at the top of the page
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I've got regular ol' FanPosts
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A teenage boy with a sprit inside
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Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
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All the rec’d fan posts have disappeared.
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
397,96,19,58,.241,.302,.435
by Beardsville Rockers on Jan 24, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions
He has been injury prone
and with this being his free agency year, I can see him getting injured early(ST has zapped his rear a few times recently) and trying to play through it. Or, coming back from an injury too quickly and not telling anyone right away. I do so hope I’m wrong. Both for the Team and for Ankiel.
I have been a fan of his since back when he was a young, white, left-handed, Uncle Charlie droppin’, cheese throwin’ hurler with some pop in his bat. But, there has always been something holding Ankiel back. I was really surprised and probably happier than most with last years production because I spent most of the year waiting for the next something to happen to him. I never stopped rooting for him though, and my projections will not change this either. I know that when/if he is traded I’ll continue to check his box score, or wait until his team’s highlights come on Baseball Tonight
by Beardsville Rockers on Jan 25, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ankiel 2009
465,135,31,92,.290,.391,.535
ab, h, hr, rbi, avg, obp,slg
problem is, by july Ankiel is playing in NY…
Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008... ok, let's do it in 2009
why does everyone think he's going to be in NY?
do you think they like his story a lot there?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
They like his Left Handing Bat that can play Center Field
Center Field is the biggest weakness of the Yankees. They could use another lefty bat in the lineup assuming new Yankee Stadium plays like the old one which was the 2nd Friendliest park for Lefties in baseball. (Minute Maid is first)
This will only happen if Swisher or Nady is traded though. A best cast scenario would be if Nady is traded and Pettitte is signed. Their would be no spots open in the rotation for a young guy except for injuries. Which is good for someone like Hughes who would be number #6 starter but someone like Ian Kennedy would be awfully low on the depth chart with no real chance of making the team in the near future. He would be a lot more useful as a trade chip.
I still think this trade could go down if 3 things happen. 1) Nady is traded 2) Pettitte resigns 3) Ankiel has a healthy spring training. He just has to come into spring training healthy than we could trade him. I would love this trade on so many levels. We get rid of a left handed bat in the OF which we have to many for and not enough spots. We add a pitcher that could help us immediately but also still has options for Memphis. But in the end it just makes too much sense for both teams for it to actually happen.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 24, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
i thought minute maid
was friendlier to righties.
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
could be
Trying to remember my refernce
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 24, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Im sensing
That if this sort of scenario were to happen, Pettitte would sign first, then a 3 way trade would go down.
I hope you mean
re-signs, not resigns!
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 24, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Rick would get chewed alive by the NY press
One slump and he’d be done in NYC. No way the Yankees pick him up.
last year I had him w/31 HR's and an .881 OPS
and he was right on track, before the injury.
I think he’ll get walked a bit more this year and not be so awful late in the game- so:
595,177,33,101,0.297,0.367,0.546
BTW, I put together a spreadsheet for ease of calculating OBP/SLG/ERA/etc based on inputs like hits, HR, etc. It also has a little tool for “cut and pasting” in the right format. Most people already have something they are using, but if you don’t maybe it’ll help…
You should be able to download it and use it here. You’ll have to open it, then “save as” on your desktop from inside the google documents kludge in order to use it.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
392,103,24,68,.263,.340,.525
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm going to go with this number
that Ankiel has a .061 home runs per AB (slightly conservative) and go out on a limb and say he’s healthy enough for more than 500 AB
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
525,140,32,103,.272,.343,.526
this is actually slightly conservative if Rick has numbers like he did in ‘07… I think the big leap here is that he’ll get 525 at bats
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions
if Rick can gain experience and hit better than he did in '07
watch out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
What's the translation of
“gains experience”? If he plays, that counts as experience, yes? Do you mean, if he figures out what to do at the plate better, if he takes better paths to flyball? Expound, please.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 24, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
ok
he’s played basically one full season in the majors, and part of that was playing while injured. would it be crazy to suggest that he will improve once he has more at bats under his belt? basically I’m just saying that if he has a good training in the offseason, has a nice spring training, he can possibly do even better than what he did in ’07, which had his slugging percentage higher than in ’08, and he was more “clutch”
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Repost of myself
Ankiel will probably get something closer to 3.25M and Ludwick 4M. Lohse got a signing bonus which counts against 09 of 1.25M bringing his total to 8.375M. Royce Ring signed for 475K. Miller has a base but has easy incentives to reach such as performance bonuses: $0.2M each for 40, 45, 50, 55 games; $0.225M each for 60, 65 games; $0.23M for 70 games. Villone pitched in 74 games last year so he could easily reach them all. Hitting them all will add another 1.48M to the budget and I bet the Cardinals budgeted it out that way. Brad Thompson got $650K not $500K. Mulder had a buyout of $1.5M and Spiezio had one of 100K. That adds up to 7.905M unaccounted for on the Matrix raising true payroll level to $97.155MM
Stat Whore
ricky ankiel
510,140,34,92,.275,.355,.520
I think everything goes up a tad w/ more experience. He’s got all the talent in the world.
Sign Ben Sheets!
Babe Ankiel.
ab,h,hr,rbi,avg,obp,slg
550,154,44,112,.280,.345,.575
can’t wait to watch it happen!
Why don't we get glausy eyed and put back some franklin's....
Ricky Baby!
AB,H,HR,RBI,.AVG,OBP,SLG 420,116,29,86,.276,.343,.507
Ank and Lud
I’ve always been an Ankiel fan. I have a t-shirt jersey with his name and number on it. It was a great sight when he hit his first home run in 2007. And as for Ludwick, I didn’t see 2008 being so kind to him.
I don’t think Ank will be back after next season, even though he’s always been a Cardinal. Several other teams are interested in him, and with Rasmus being the future, I’m not sure if he’d come back.
I’m concerned with Ludwick for two reasons – one, last year might have been a career year for him and two, I don’t know how much $ the Cards will want to pay him. We’ll see, and hoping for the best!
Ank will be gone after next year
If he has a good year, than he will be expensive, and since we have Raz (who projects to be much better than Ankiel) there is no point in resigning him. If he has a bad year, than we couldn’t justify resigning him and giving him at bats in 2010 when we will have a ton of major league ready OF ready to contribute (Jones, Jay, Mather).
Luddy is a different story, he will be cheap-ish the next couple of years, but if he has another huge year than he will be out of our price range when he is a FA. There would be no point in resigning him since we would still have a glut of good OF to take his place.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS
is on MLB baseball chanel right now.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
MLB Channel
Playing the whole 2006 World Series starting next, I think. I’m going back and forth between the game and the Illinois game now. Awesome..
Wainer is pitching to LoDuca...
Beltran is on-deck.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
rake?
470,125,26,79,.265,.332,.502
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
A little healthier, a little better
455,123,31,87,.270,.340,.520
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 24, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions
The Stick...
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
475,140,30,90,275,340,500
by ShannonIsn'tSober on Jan 24, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions
Mr. [Un]Clutch
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
440,116,28,77,.264,.340,.510
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
Ankiel proj 2009
AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
487,131,34,100,.269,.329,.529
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Spaces
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 24, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
and you are missing either OBP or AVG
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 24, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry...AB,H,HR,RBI,AVG,OBP,SLG
532, 155, 24, 76, .291, .316, .503
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
Without the spaces...
532,155,24,76,.291,.316,.503
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
n o s p a c e s , p l e a s e : - )
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
By your comment, chuckb,
it sounds like you expect Ankiel to be playing a corner outfield position in the near future. Did you mean to write that, i.e., is that where you see him headed, or was that just a brain fart?
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 24, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions
it seems right to me. his arm fits well in right.
his bat is appropriate for a corner outfielder. Rasmus is bound to be a better defensive CF than Ank.
If we keep ank, i think razza should start cf, ludwick in left, ank in right (spelled by mather in the 7th).
Ludwick
is an excellent RF. He has a career 4.6 UZR/150 and he had the second best outfield arm of any RF last year. Ank should play left.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I expect
him to be playing a corner OF position THIS SEASON if he remains in St. Louis. Where he plays beyond this season depends on which team he signs with next offseason. I could see him in center for a team w/o one but he was a poor CF last year by every defensive metric so my guess would be that he ends up a RF after this season as well.
I just read on MLB trade rumors
that we were second in the Brandon Lyon sweepstakes. Would’ve cost 4.25 mil a year. Apparently this was reported two days ago (I’m out of the loop), but the Hot Stove thread is down.
I’m sorry, but Mo? What the heck? We need starters, not BRANDON LYON. You’re killing me, homes.
On with the (good) youth movement!
according to joe buck, we MUST get a PROVEN closer...
“Well, I don’t think they’ve done near enough. They better get to work. They’ve got a lot of holes to fill. They had a glaring hole at closer. They haven’t filled it. There are still guys out there, but now you’re talking about having to find bargains. You know, part of me doesn’t get it.”
“And, obviously the closer position is what cost them a legitimate shot at winning the division last year. Everybody in the world—-even my daughters knew they had to go out and get a closer—-and they didn’t go out and get Fuentes and knock him over with a deal. Yeah, maybe he wanted to pitch in California, but the deal he wound up signing wasn’t overwhelming. And, you have a feeling that—-or at least I do—-had they thrown another year at him or kicked in some more dollars at him, you have Brian Fuentes as closer, and then the team has a totally different look. So, they’ve got a long way to go.”
“My season ticket check evidently cashed, because it came out of my bank account. So, I’m assuming they have people’s money. And, it’s time they go spend some of it.”
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
Joe, basically
gave up on baseball about 5 years ago (or more) b/c he wanted to be FOX’s top NFL guy. He’s a part-time baseball announcer, at best — calling 20-25 games per season. That he thinks that the closer spot is the Cards’ biggest hole and that he seems to see no problem whatsoever in the rotation speaks to how well he knows the team.
yeah Joe has really thrown in the towl baseball wise.
i heard that live the other the other day & i was just like shut up Joe, you have no idea what you are talking about dude. and that’s really sad considering who his dad was.
Joe doesn’t even want to do sports anymore. he wants to be another Leno/Letterman variety show host. that bums me out. he used to be really good calling a game & still could be if he tried.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Joe jumped the shark a long time ago
after he had a few years of broadcasting under his belt. He thought he was doing us all a favor by broadcasting games. He’d be doing me a favor by never doing another baseball game again. And based on comments like the one above he is just clueless.
Ank
415,108,28,90,.260,.340,.500
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)
450,123,26,88,.271,.345,.492
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 24, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions
oh crap, i almost forgot
500,155,34,102,.295,.320,.514
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
try not to get so worked up by Joe Buck
next time, and remember what is important!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
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