Glaus has surgery, out for Opening Day. Who plays 3rd?
by Molina4MVP on Jan 22, 2009 1:47 PM EST
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With Glaus out for the first week or so of the season, who do you think we should go with at 3rd base? Should we roll with Joey Bombs every day? Maybe start a platoon? Just toss the dice and see what Brett Wallace can do (even though it is probably too soon...). Would we give Freese a chance?
If you have any ideas, toss them out.
(Sorry if this isn't an acceptable reason for a fanpost, i just thought it would be intetesting to see what people thought regarding the news of Glaus's surgery.)
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I think it's between Freese and Mather...
depending on whether Mather shows the ability to adequately handle the hot corner. I don’t think it’s reasonable to start arb clocks on Craig or Wallace right now. Barden is another possibility, and I’d like to see both him and Freese on the bench all year.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
by cardzfanbub on Jan 22, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clocks
The only clock you’d start on Craig, Wallace, and Freese would be burning an option year.
They’d only get a month or so of service time before heading back down to the minors.
It sucks for Glaus to miss some time and ST, but this isn’t a disaster by any stretch… It was going to be a tough decision how to get Freese, Craig, and Wallace adequate playing time against AAA pitching, this certainly frees up some innings in the field for those guys.
To handicap it, I’d expect Wallace will end up as the regular 3B at Memphis, with Craig backing him up and playing some outfield/1B, and Freese starts the season with the Cardinals. Depending on how he plays, I could see him sticking on the roster all year or drawing some trade interest.
This certainly will make ST more interesting…
by liam on Jan 22, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarify
I kind of rambled away from the original point there, but if, say Freese, started the year as Glaus’s temp replacement and went down after a month, the month of service time wouldn’t be a concern as far as arbitration goes; but would be if he did stick around all year.
by liam on Jan 22, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Given how old he is...
does service time really matter? He’s likely going to be over the hill (32 or 33) when he’s a free agent, either way
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)
by DiscoJer on Jan 22, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw nuts
I thought 40 was over the hill nowadays…
by liam on Jan 22, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so does that mean I'm only 15?
good thing I don’t own a car!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Craig
get some playing time at 2B as well
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Terrible for Glaus but we’ll get to see Freese in ML. Craig Starts at AAA, Wallace at AA and then we see what happens.
Off topic. Do we get insurance proceeds for Glaus if he can’t play ? If so, also a good money trade-off and we still get Glaus for the stretch run.
Just win
by The Duke on Jan 22, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just what the Birds need, another player with a bad wing
why wasn’t this done months ago?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They probably
tried to rehab it first.
by spants on Jan 22, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
He injured it while working out during the offseason (or washing his truck, since Jeff Kent is in the news).
by roarke on Jan 22, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope, read the article, it's the same problem he had last year
why they waited till Jan F’ing 21st to the the “clean up” is highly questionable.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
still, I think what spants said is probably most likely
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to an update of the initial AP article I saw at Yahoo,
he did hurt it working out during the offseason; and it doesn’t really sound like it was rehab – it sounds like they thought the September problem was done.
“Mozeliak said the team first learned from Glaus during the Christmas holidays that he was experiencing some discomfort as he began increasing workouts in anticipation of spring training…. An injection didn’t help, and the team learned Monday that surgery was planned.”
Mo also said he expects Freese will probably be the replacement.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 22, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good to know, thanks for the link
i’m officially done freaking out & blaming the Cards Doc’s.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm....
Glaus was held out of starts in september (most going to felipe lopez) so i’m sure he was suffering some shoulder problems near the end of the season. had a cortisone shot or two sometime during the end of the season and was probably told to see if the first few months of the offseason (when players rest and aren’t doing any hard workouts/baseball activities) would heal on it’s own.
*You have to remember the last thing any professional athlete wants to do is go under the knife. That’s why carpenter held out on getting TJ surgery until half way thru 07. and why pujols held out of any major surgery the last few years.*
so when Glaus started to up his workout routine in december/january and start doing baseball activities (most likely jan) he started getting discomfort in his shoulder again and talked to the organization about it, probly got an MRI done on the shoulder and best bet was to get surgery to repair it.
***I don’t see this as affecting the cardinals as much as you think it might. Glaus had a terrible April and May with a .396 SLG (3 homers in 189 ABs) granted his AVG and OBP were fine, the power just wasn’t there for a cleanup/5th spot until june and he cranked it up at the end of the year.
You put Mather or Freese there and they put up around 10-12 homers in those 2 months with a decent OBP and decent defense (more likely freese), the cards will be fine until Glaus comes back.*
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
by cardwash on Jan 22, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that actually kind of helps us since he has such bad allergies
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is the obsession with
Giving steroid injections?? They are a temporary fix that is only going to cause further damage. Overuse of this stuff causes ligaments and tendons to break down, as well as only masking the symptoms for a short time. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone getting a steroid injection and magically healing.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Jan 22, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I maybe kinda sorta understand the logic off getting one before the playoffs, but now?
Maybe he was hoping he could just push through the pain.
by thepainguy on Jan 22, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
um.. steroid?
they probably gave him a cortisone shot….
but that probably has some ill effect down the road as well
As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."
by urgeernieball on Jan 23, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
but it is not an anabolic steroid.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 23, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the point.
The guy was all, “um.. steroid?” when he didn’t know what he was talking about.
by spants on Jan 23, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not an anabolic
But still has the same negative effects on ligaments and tendons, which is why it isn’t such a good thing.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Jan 30, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they give these injections all the time
And we don’t hear about it. We ONLY hear when they don’t work, basically never, ever when they do.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 23, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just what the Birds need, another third baseman with a bad shoulder
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.
by garden nome on Jan 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skip, clearly. He played a lot of SS in college, I heard.
So it’s natural to think he can handle 3b.
/sarcasm
by tom s. on Jan 22, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
boy are we gonna miss Miles now*
I really should not have went there
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 22, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just going to post that
Thank God MIles signed with the Cubs or he would be the starting 3b for 6 weeks.
by felone on Jan 23, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freese!
Let’s start the START DAVID FREESE Petition now. Joking joking, should be interesting maybe see a little audtion for some of the younger guys.
by Gibson on Jan 22, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can Sheets play 3rd?
At least on his off days?
by siddfynch on Jan 23, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be comfortable with wainwright since he has some offensive ability
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 23, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Jose Vizcaino
available?
I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.
by _pistol_ on Jan 23, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will Miguel Cairo
be stalking Mo again?
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.
by garden nome on Jan 23, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Jan 24, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is that azruavatar in the background?
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 24, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a ninja outfit in the background?
Encarnacion is a time traveler, so I guess it makes sense that Vizcaino is a ninja
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 24, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He takes karate lessons
(in my head, at least).
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Jan 24, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting that this was done by the Angels team doc in LA, especially on a player
who has serious allergies, going into his last year before free agency, who might really benefit from playing in a dry western climate.
Just sayin’.
by tom s. on Jan 22, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yocum is THE go to shoulder guy.
James Andrews is THE go to elbow guy.
Paletta is a great doctor but those two are tops in their respective specialties.
by azruavatar on Jan 22, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paletta is a great doctor?
prove it…
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Jan 22, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep because the cardinals hired some quack off the street
He’s had some issues in StL but medicine isn’t an exact science. The organizations philosophy in handling injuries is more to blame than Paletta’s practice.
by azruavatar on Jan 22, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't think a robot would know anything except "exact sciences"
hur hur
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by jd is legend on Jan 22, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just joking
I’m sure he is a good doctor, he has just had some bad luck…
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Jan 22, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at least he'll miss some of the allergy season
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AZ, did you get a look at that conan skit?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jan 23, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liktoe Freese
He is too old and too good to still be in AAA, I think that this will give him a chance to make the major league roster and stay there as.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, say he rakes
then we get even better trade chip
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Freese is more experienced and has faced better competition than Wallace. A Freese move could open up a spot for Wallace in Memphis.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jan 22, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even with the loss of Troy Glaus
we feel we will be able to field a competitive team. Here I will rattle off the names of 5 guys, 2 that are bench players on the roster and 3 in the minor leagues that you may or may not recognize the names. If we feel the need in ST to make a move, we will consider it and then do nothing.
- John Mozeliak, attorney at law.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 22, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Um, Glaus is only out for 12 weeks, most of which is offseason
And 3B is our single deepest position organizationally (well, maybe OF, but whatever).
I think we’re going to be fine, barring complications or something on Glaus’ rehab.
by mojowo11 on Jan 22, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is like a bizarre baseball mogul injury
guy hasn’t played for 4 months, then suddenly gets “injured” and has to miss 30 games at the start of the season. Stupid unrealistic game.
Big opportunity for Freese here…
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 22, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no it isn't
Glaus’ shoulder was bothering him in september, he was held out of a few games because of it and had 1 or 2 cortisone shots before the season ended.
for the first 2 months of the offseason, players are resting, 150ish games wears down on you, mostly doing just cycling machines or elipticals to keep in shape.
it’s obvious glaus hurt it while upping his workout routine (heavy lifting over and over again, you’ll feel it when something isn’t right) or while doing baseball activities and told the organization about it.
players take several months before they report to spring training to get back into building muscle and get back into baseball shape and performance, don’t want to forget how to field a ground ball and hit a curveball y’know.
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
by cardwash on Jan 23, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you'd probably have to have played "baseball mogul" video game to get the joke
and it wasn’t a very good joke even if you knew the game i was referring to, anyway. let’s just say that the “injury” system in BM is lacking, and frustrating, often leading to me kicking my laptop because all 5 of my starting pitchers broke their legs in one week, and the timing and “feel” of this injury is very reminiscent of the game, at least to me.
I’m not questioning the real-life injury or anyone involved, just saying ti feels like a video game injury.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 23, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Freese...
If nothing else, he could go on a huge hot streak and make the Padres covet him, therefore allowing us to trade for Peavy.
Perfect world, right?
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Jan 22, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In this perfect world
Where did we get the money to pay Peavy?
by mojowo11 on Jan 22, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we add pineiro to the trade.
and kennedy.
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Jan 22, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell!?
I wouldn’t be any more surprised if I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet than I am right now.
But in all seriousness. What the hell is going on here? Where did this come from? How was this not resolved 3 months ago? I hope some details come out to explain just how this happened, because right now I am baffled.
And I say England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston.
by tangledbrett on Jan 22, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like he hurt it while working out this offseason
Or reinjured it, or whatever. If that is the case…it would’ve been hard for them to operate on it 3 months ago.
by mojowo11 on Jan 22, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that explaination makes sense.
Just seemed to come out of left field.
And I say England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston.
by tangledbrett on Jan 22, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Groan
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by jd is legend on Jan 22, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You gotta be shittin' me...
Is there a rejected Cardinal they haven’t signed?
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 22, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn.
You got my hopes up.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 22, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What about either Ryan or Thurston?
That’s my guess.
by stlfan on Jan 22, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why bother with them?
When you have, y’know, real third basemen available who’ve shown some ability to drive baseballs.
by liam on Jan 22, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
I will be very pissed off if Freese doesn’t get to start.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony wouldn't do that
no way in hell Ryan or the millionaire start at 3B over Freese or Wallace. Tony has never done anything to suggest he would do that.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 22, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it should be freese
he’s the closest to major league ready, and i’m sure he’d of been called up eventually in the season. to at least be a backup corner IF position (and provide a power bat off the bench which the cardinals don’t really have unless duncan recovers)
Cardwash - Cardinal, Washington fan (Washington???? Yeah, I know)
by cardwash on Jan 23, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we carry more than Kennedy and one backup middle infielder
my rage will not be controlled. Or my binge drinking . . . one of the two.
by azruavatar on Jan 22, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gonna need help paying for all that alcohol in this economy?
I say we start up a fund for Azru.
Anybody with me?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's gotta be really high proof
stuff though, so his parts don’t get rusty.
by spants on Jan 22, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got him covered
Ok Az, pick your poison.
Personally I like Lobrau because it has dots, Classy.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Jan 22, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Azru is with you
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by jd is legend on Jan 22, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here it comes.
Every year at the start of ST, or just before, out of the blue come the sudden injuries/surgeries no one ever told us about. Does the FO actually, you know, stay in contact with its players during the offseason? Why does this always happen? You know some important pitcher or three is going to get off the plane in February with a bad wing that the team just forgot to mention to us before.
Sheesh.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 22, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
David Freese - wrist injury
had a sore wrist (one he has broken twice). Doctor’s told him to rest it and wear a soft cast, hasn’t done baseball activities since.
AWESOME! Luckily, we’ll be able to count on our juggernaut pitching to carry us these first two months when the offense returns to 2007 levels.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 22, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
u serious?
Freese can’t even play?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's going to play
with a sore wrist.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 22, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so who do you think will start at 3B at beginning of season?
I suppose Mather probably will, since that is the most logical choice (unless he simply can’t play 3B)… any idea how long Freese will be out for? kinda bad timing for Glaus to get hurt if Freese has been hurt too!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very ironic
considering we are super deep at 3B…
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is all setting up
for Wallace to pull an APu and just claim the job in ST. Which would be fine with me.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 22, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Though overall this obviously hurts the club
It at least makes ST more interesting. Will get to find out more about prospects than we would have otherwise.
I’m just looking for positives.
by TheBirds on Jan 22, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I guess the theory that Wallace=Pujols
This would help the team.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 23, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was thinking.
Troy Glaus = Bobby Bonilla
by STLRegalia on Jan 22, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S GOING TO PLAY
well, atleast they are presuming he will. Just, be wary that his wrist is sore.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 22, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh whoops
I thought you were being sarcastic, heh
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes i can't tell
is Freese really hurt?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lost me too, so now I’m curious.
is our #2 banged up as well?
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 22, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, crap
there goes my “vote”. I agreed with the post above that, given a decent ST, Freese should get the majority of starts until Glaus is back to a) prove to us he is a useful backup CI or b) showcase him for a trade.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 22, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I wanted Freese to start, he deserves a shot
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 22, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They have it covered
Bombs at third, Schu at second. Barton moves to short when Greene tanks and starts punching coolers. Kenedy is your fourth outfielder. Actually, I’m thinking trade for Fernando Tatis or a one year deal for Oquendo.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by Tupelo on Jan 22, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we field an entire defense with outfielders?
We can put baby Dunc at first, Schu at 2b, Barton at short, Mather at 3rd, Ank in right, Rasmus in center, and Luddy in left. Not sure who would catch.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jan 23, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols at first,
played left in ’03 so he would qualify.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.
by garden nome on Jan 23, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we did that
then we would have to have an OF made up entirely of IFs….wait, we already did that, never mind.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace...
I know some people think he might pull a Pujols and jump from the low minors to the majors without missing a beat.
But I was looking at his stats and noticed he only had 2 walks in AA. (With 6 HBP). That seems a little scary to me. Then again, he walked a good amount at A.
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)
by DiscoJer on Jan 22, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow, that's a weird ratio
7 k’s, 6 HBP.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 22, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A more efficient Preacher Roe?
“Throw one at his butt and try to pick ’im off first.”
by liam on Jan 22, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s awesome. The Walrus has no fear.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 22, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That and
I doubt he has an easy time moving that massive body out of the way.
And I say England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston.
by tangledbrett on Jan 22, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And people downplay his size
The pitchers can’t even hit the plate!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 23, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he only had 47 ab's too. small sample size.
plus, if you like that sample size, he hit .367. Even if he hadn’t gotten any walks, his obp is still .367. I can live with that.
by tom s. on Jan 22, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
most distressing quote of the day so far.
“We may also look at external options,” Mozeliak said.
WTF?!? we may look at external options to replace a player at the position at which we are deepest and for which there are about zero reasonable options on the market? I realize it’s a generic statement with “may” as the operative word, but why would you say that, Mo?
by tom s. on Jan 22, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Since they didn't end up buying the Redbirds
Memphis is now considered an external option.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Jan 22, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, it read like external meant off the 25 man. Well, I sure in the hell hope so.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 22, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not read to much into that quote
Mo, all in all, is a pretty good GM imo, and is certainly not retarded. But he does have to say the politically correct thing here to satiate the idiotic, torch-carrying townspeople. I’m sure he understands our options of Freese, Mather, maybe Wallace (who I highly doubt will be ready) or at the very worst Brenden Ryan (albeit, that is pretty bad, but for 30 games not the end of the world) are much better than going out to get a third baseman.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
by Gregatron on Jan 22, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just read Mo's online chat with the fans
on Stltoday. Look at his answers to the fan with the username “I Hate Bill DeWitt!!” Mo is not being politically correct there. He is slammin’ it in the guys face there.
by ultimatecardinalfan on Jan 22, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know..
I’ve been fairly optimistic about the ‘09 campaign so far. I see value in Miller, even with the scare. I’m excited by Ian and I generally agree with the LOOGY approach.
I like the SS grab, I even understand the thought process in the Fuentes rush and even though I don’t like it personally, I can understand the hesitation on Sheets..
But allow me to be frank, this shit is getting so damn old.
We got a hell of a steal in the trade last year, but we forced him to exercise his option for this year – all is well. Now he’s hurt and has surgery that will extend into the start of the year…
What f’n sucks is that this will probably be Edmonds’ish last year plus. If you’ve followed Glaus at all through his year he’s the kind of guy that needs ST to get primed for the season.
So now we have a 100 90 million ball club and around what? 25-30 will be dedicated to injury stories. It’s like ’08 hell all over again.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 22, 2009 6:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and yes, Carp is an injury story all year. I have high hopes on his return but note if he bent over you’d see “FRAGILE” tattooed on his ass.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 22, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and...
if anything, this royally sucks if you’re hoping to get an injury prone upside starter. For a team to be this risk adverse and lose the starting 3b for at least a month, don’t look for them to do much. Epic Sigh.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 22, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Wiggington?
Sign him play 2b, and 3b if needed?
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by salukihoops on Jan 22, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by jd is legend on Jan 22, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
The MLB article makes it sounds like the 12 weeks is unclear — that is to say it could be 12 weeks off from the season or 12 weeks from now. Link
by StevenABQ on Jan 22, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s three months of rehab, not 6. It projects him mid to late April at the earliest. Being game ready? Not sure.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 22, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again, i wish we had a good medical reference to cite to.
but the word “labrum” never seems to be associated with anything good. “man, he’s got a healthy labrum” is not a common phrase. These injuries seem to be very hard to repair — granted he’s not a pitcher. but i feel – without substantive medical basis – that in May we’re still going to be seeing problems.
by tom s. on Jan 22, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley Ramirez had his labrum repaired before last year I believe
Optimism!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 23, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
where does Bernie get his info? he says it worse than reported
just wondering should we listen to him or he full of crap?
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by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he seems to have good sources -- it's his analysis I don't like.
is it possible this is the same shoulder glaus injured in 2002? did he reopen the original tear?
by tom s. on Jan 22, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i love how the fans in that article
have somehow managed to blame dewitt for this injury…
“torn muscle” sounds bad but I don’t think it really tells us much, does it?
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 22, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You tear you muscle
everytime you work out.
But, a torn muscle having to be re-attached makes the time table a tad longer.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 22, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The Cardinals are always pointing out how careful they are in spending their money alotted for payroll. Why do they continue to count on this crackpot medical staff to treat their players. You would think after all of the bad decisions & mistakes by this medical staff that the Cardinals would make some changes to protect their investments. Carp, Mulder, Rolen, Glaus… Etc. How can they flubb one injury after another and still be on the payroll? This offseason is just one big PR nightmare for the FO. When are they going to learn? My guess is they do not care. They know they are going to get 3 million through the gate regardless of the product on the field. After this year, Dewitt should write a book titled “How to alienate your fanbase”.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then again
If this injury happened while Glaus was training for the season (as it supposedly did), then it’s not really the fault of the totally-uninvolved Cardinals training staff at all, is it?
Without knowing more about the injury and when it occurred, it’s frankly downright ridiculous to lash out at the medical team like this.
by mojowo11 on Jan 22, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was copying and pasting a comment from Bernies Forum
by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just going to say i read that over there,,,,
why’d you post it?
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by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SleepyCA said that the fans blamed DeWitt for the injury
I wanted to give an example. Should of put quotes around it or something
by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha, for a second i thought you might have been the same guy
i was kind of a scarred
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by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless...
as reported, it’s essentially an extension of the injury he suffered (but played through) at the end of the year.
If a guy has a bad shoulder, is it really the best medical practice to simply assume it’s going to heal over the offseason? Instead of say, checking up on it every month or so.
I mean, from the PD article
He endured increasing discomfort in the shoulder in the season’s final weeks, however, but played through it, in part to pursue his fifth 100-RBI season.
Then Moe says
Pressed why Glaus waited three months into the offseason for surgery, Mozeliak insisted, “Frankly, we didn’t even know it was a possibility until recently.”
Oh yeah, bad shoulder, who ever has surgery for that? Totally unheard of…
It’s a common pattern with the Cardinals. Player has injury, plays through it (because Tony seems to encourage it), then when it gets worse, the Cardinals are totally baffled.
Some guys, well, basically Pujols, do seem to be almost super-human when it comes to healing. But people like him are very rare.
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)
by DiscoJer on Jan 22, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and they wonder why many fans don't trust them
something’s fishy, and it stinks.
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by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reportedly,
the MRI came back clear. I’m thinking it was very minor, but he hurt it while lifting weights.
by spants on Jan 23, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about you guys
but i’m actually happy this happened. It will give more playing time to Mather and Freese and the major league level, which will give Wallace and Craig more playing time at Memphis. When Glaus comes back, the trade values of Craig and Freese will almost certainly be enhanced.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not usually excited to find out that one of our 5 WAR players
is going to miss time due to surgery.
by azruavatar on Jan 23, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not disastrous to lose a month of Glaus like it would be for other positions where the depth just isn’t there. I’d rather get six months of healthy, pain-free Glaus than six months of marginally hurt Glaus, and I think that’s part of what vivaelpujols had in mind when he said he’s happy it happened. I’m confident that Freese can handle the jump from AAA to the bigs for a month as well as he took the big jump from A+ to AAA, so the drop-off isn’t as steep as if Pujols or Greene went down.
And if he does handle it, the organization probably benefits more than they would have from Glaus in April.
by liam on Jan 23, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“And if he does handle it, the organization probably benefits more than they would have from Glaus in April.”
Long term yes, short term no. Glaus > Freese. Now I’ll agree that it’s not disastrous but I’m skeptical that Freese is more than a 1-2 win player over a full season.
by azruavatar on Jan 23, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if Wallace pulls a Pujols circa ST 01
and flat out wins the spot?
Granted, Walrus jumping Freese, Craig, Mather, & everyone may seem like a pipe dream, but it is far from improbable. (I just have a feeling he is going to kill this spring.)
Would you give him a months look to start the year?
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by Alxfritz on Jan 24, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still no. His defense (for all that everyone hopes it won’t be atrocious) is terrible and there’s no reason to start his service clock when you’ve got two 3B in front of him. Pujols is one of those players you should never compare anyone to, imo.
by azruavatar on Jan 24, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
it’s a blow, but even missing a month is less than a single win, assuming his Replacement is replacement-level, and there’s a decent chance we’ll learn something about Replacement Player.
I’ve never been able to get attached to Glaus, like I have most of the other guys, for some reason. He’s always felt like a rental. I know he’s a very good player and I loved seeing him over at third base, but I was shocked to see how valuable he actually was, and even though it’s irrational I wouldn’t be upset if he was traded.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 23, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like glaus a lot
but yeah, we’ve known he’s only going to be hear for 2 years, now less
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So does this mean Christmas comes late this year?
:P
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by jd is legend on Jan 22, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Jack Freese will come in and help in his absence
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 22, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there's a 007 The World Is Not Enough type joke to be made here
but i’m not going to do it
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 22, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
i thought it came once a year too….
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by urgeernieball on Jan 23, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John and Yoko sing...
" All we are saying,
Is give Freese a chance."
swaying back and forth…..
40th anniversary of Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Think he could pitch in the bullpen now?
by Podlol on Jan 23, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
guess this means
another 0 for homers in April for Santa Glaus. on the bright side, that means he can still jack close to 30 by season’s end.
i’d give the bulk of sub time to Mather.
hope is eternal each spring
by MOmojo on Jan 23, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
if Mather can play 3B consistently
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Santa
Must have taken a bad spill down a chimney.
by arfuze300 on Jan 23, 2009 4:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And now Craig Counsell
might be our 3B. According to mlbtraderumors, we jumped in on talks with him because of the Glaus Injury…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/talks-progressi.html
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Jan 23, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We should have seen that coming
Scrappy = check
Great several years ago = check
Spent time in NL central = check
Nice utility guy, not really suited for a starting role = check
by siddfynch on Jan 23, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope to God
It’s just Counsell’s agent putting that out there to push the Brewers. Convenient injury to a division rival makes that plausible.
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by That's a Winner on Jan 23, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh dear
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 23, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the only team he hits against is the Cardinals…or so it seems
by STLRegalia on Jan 23, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.....
Please, just say no.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 23, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's hoping
That the Cardinals interest was limited to: “how’d he go for a minor league contract with NRI to provide a little competition for our youngsters?”
“No, all right then…”
by liam on Jan 23, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiosity
I would not expect it, but what if Wallace wins the job out of spring training, comes up to the big leagues and puts up the 0.957 OPS that he had in the minors, while Glaus is out? Without embarrassing himself at 3B?
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 23, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If that happens
we just move Glaus to second base. As we all know here at VEB, anybody can play second base, and the Giants are always looking for a left handed first baseman………………
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by fourstick on Jan 23, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so we move Glaus to second base
which sends AK to the backup role at 2B and 1B, so then we can trade AK to the Giants?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 23, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
If you played little league, you know that second base is where you put the fat kid who picks his nose and is only playing because his Dad is the coach. Wait, I think I might be on to something… Ladies and Gentlemen, your new second baseman- Chris Duncan!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs. ~Harry Caray
by Tupelo on Jan 23, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is completely unfair
well, at least L’il Dunc is not fat… ;~)
and I still love that avatar.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 24, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really guys?
What’s all this fuss about? There is a clear solution to this problem. Two words for you… MIGUEL CAIRO.
by Pujols Is A God on Jan 23, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think who really really mean is...
Jose Oquendo
jwilson
by taguchi on Jan 23, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Barden!
I’m going for Barden… but I’m also a big Mather fan- especially if he can successfully fill the super-utility role. I am not worried about the situation though. All of our prospects need some reps in the big leagues to get ready for 2010, and this will be a good time to give them a chance. I say give them all reps in ST, and keep the top couple that can also be used as utility guys when Glaus gets back. Some fun competition never hurt anyone.
by WyoCardsFan on Jan 23, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Latest Info on Injury
According to sources, Glaus was in training with Hee Seop Choi this winter. Choi apparently ran into him during racquetball match throwing the shoulder out. Glaus commented to the Cardinal medical staff that he had no idea how well-built Choi was — felt like getting hit by a truck.
LaRussa did not hear until winter warm-up and he and Glaus had a huge argument because Glaus kept insisting there was no medical issue. Glaus has refused to be examined by Paletta preferring his own doctor for the surgery. Cardinls were unaware of that Glaus had had surgery.
LaRussa has already indicated that he might only platoon Glaus on his return and Glaus is furious. They are not talking. Mo is trying to reconcile them, but LaRussa is already bad-mouthing Glaus to local media.
Looks like we’ll have to trade him. Mo in discussions with Toronto on a 3B swap.
Stay tuned.
Just win
by The Duke on Jan 23, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
heard it different.
glaus said he was walking back to his car late one night. strange guy came up, about 6’4", 240 lbs. really thickly built. Grabbed his arm and twisted it at the shoulder. said he moved like a walrus.
by tom s. on Jan 23, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny
Well played
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 25, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Wiggintion now seems to make some sense.
Let Wigginton start the year at 3B, and when Glaus comes back move Wigginton to 2B and make Kennedy the UT. I only wonder how good of a defensive 2B Wigginton still is?
But then again, this move would block Freese/Craig/Wallace. Still, Wigginton can flat out hit. As late as it is into the offseason, he would probably come cheap and the Twins would be our only competitior, since LA resigned Blake and the Tribe got DeRosa.
by Czechguardsman on Jan 24, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
gag
Wigginton is not a good player. He had one above average year last year and has been a ~ 1WAR player prior to that. He’s no better than Freese or Craig.
by azruavatar on Jan 24, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Glaus injury
gives us an opportunity to give playing time to Freese/Craig/Mather. We can’t waste that by bringing in someone from the outside who likely won’t be as good as those guys.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Once Wigginton slides over to 2B he wouldn't block anyone but Kennedy.
I wouldn’t want to block Freeze, Craig, or Wallace long term at 3B, but if Wigginton can come cheap, why not? He’d be a huge upgrade over Kennedy offensively and he was good when he was at 2B before 2008. (He didn’t play 2B at all in 2008.)
by Czechguardsman on Jan 24, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want Wiggington as the long term second baseman
I would rather have Kennedy, or try to sign B. Roberts
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why spend the money?
Wigginton won’t be that great of an upgrade, if at all.
by spants on Jan 24, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Craig could definitely be a Wigginton type player, and mabye Freeze.
I think that the FO has to collect as much talent as possible this offseason.
I personally feel that the FO would have done best to throw the full weight of available financial resources at one game-changing, redefining target. Derek Lowe seemed like the best fit and the organization could and should have bested 4 yrs/15 mil. Ben Sheets is the only remaining guy out there who fits the bill and makes sense for the Cardinals as the redefining target, but he comes with a plethora of red flags. I have a feeling that Clayton Mortensen will have a breakout year next year in the rotation. He’s that sinkerballer that Dave Duncan/TLR are fond of.
I like the idea of bringing in Juan Cruz, though he costs a 1st round pick, to compete with Perez and Motte for CL, and regardless of how that shakes out, u have bullpen insurance and a nice trio of late-inning guys. One of Ohman/Shouse/Beimel should still be hanging out there by ST to further bolster the pen.
2B is the area of depth I’d like to see improved and I think has to be addressed. Both O-Dog and O-Cab will cost a 1st round pick and neither of these guys would be much of an offensive upgrade over Kennedy. Ty Wigginton is a wildcard as to how good he is defensively and will certainly be a downgrade from Kennedy. But Wigginton’s bat will more than compensate for his pedestrian defense. Also, more importantly, Wigginton has absoulutely crushed the ball in Busch Stadium in his career. And though Wigginton didn’t play 2B at all last year, before that, he was a decent though not spectacular defender at the Keystone. If Wigg comes cheap enough, which I suspect he will, I don’t see why he should not be brought in. Our only real competitor seems to be the Twins.
Even more than Wigginton, and I know I beat this horse before, but I think that the Cards should trade the Mariners for Jose Lopez from the OF depth. I am aware that Lopez doesn’t take a walk, but really, so what? He does nothing but hit. 17HR/89RBIs on a crappy 101 loss team with no other offense in the 2nd worse hitters park in baseball. I suspect he would jump to 26HR/110RBIs in STL. Lopez is a free-agent in 2 years, so it would perhaps behoove the M’s to move him as they probably won’t contend in the next two years. I would be fine with Ludwick going the other way.
by Czechguardsman on Jan 25, 2009 4:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mariner's OF is pretty much set
Right now the are implementing the three CF model. They will have a plus, plus defender at every position and none of our OF, with the exception of Rasmus and maybe Luddy (both of who are pretty much untouchable), fit that description. Plus the M’s view Lopez as a franchise-type player, and they would hard pressed to change him. When Moz asked about Cano, the Yank’s asked for Waino. I assume that would be the Mariner’s asking price.
Also, believe it or not, Lopez was only about a half a win better last year than Kennedy according to WAR. Kennedy is underrated due to his defense. We can probably expect 2 WAR going into the future because of the constancy of his defense (a 9.9 career UZR/150 at second), and the fact that his offense really couldn’t be any worse than it was last year when he was nearly a 2 WAR player. Lopez however is inconstant on both offense and defense, shown by the fact that his WAR’s have been 2, 0.1 and 2.4 over the last three years.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 25, 2009 5:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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