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by thegodfather on Jan 13, 2009 10:58 PM EST
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Who knew Ben Sheets-related turrets
was contagious.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 13, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They are?
Sheets. Darn it! Sheets. :clinches fists: Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets can’t stop Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets Sheets
I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds / PAH9
by erik on Jan 13, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone built Ben Sheets
some towers?
by spants on Jan 14, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair to us....
it’s tourettes….
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Jan 14, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part is
I even typed into Google to check it and the link for the medical dictionary has it as Turrets Syndrome – Definition but when you click it, the right spelling comes up.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 14, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's like a machine gun Syndrome, or something...
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 14, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can only imagine . . . haha
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jan 14, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It certainly is contagious!
But about the turrets…If signing Ben Sheets means we get some turrets, can we use them to keep Cubs fans out of Busch? That way when I listen to the games on the radio and hear the crowd at Busch go crazy I’m not disappointed when I realize it’s just the several thousand Cub fans that showed up.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did the same thing the other day.
Google led me astray, also.
by etp_stl on Jan 17, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's better than a
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sheets cold
it is nagging and makes your post split in half
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted it was likely that nothing would happen until ST...
Judging by Mo’s track record, and also knowing that he studied under Jocketty, I think he’s an opportunist. Clearly it’s difficult for the fan base to be patient in light of apparent inaction. I feel the same way. Even so I’m sure he’s working the phones and trying to gauge the best and highest opportunity, be it trade or FA signing.
In light of the strange, strange free agent market I’m sure he’s weighing his options carefully. I hope. Uh, I mean, Ben Sheets!
by airhad on Jan 14, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am very conflicted on this one
It makes sense to sign Sheets for many reasons. We know he is really good, we know he will probably be cheap enough and on a short term deal. We also know that he will cost us a draft pick to a divisional rival, and he will likely be injured for some time, whether it is for a couple of weeks or for a year the risk is definitely there.
I then though that we should trade for a starting pitcher right now. We would obviously have to trade either one of our well developed young 3rd baseman (Freese, Craig) or one of our outfielders. Preferably Ankiel because he will get us the most value and he is most likely going to be gone after next year without type a status, meaning we will only get a sandwich round pick. However, there are still options on the FA market that are nearly as good as Ankiel so we wouldn’t get great value for him now.
So what makes most sense is to wait until ST when all of the FA outfielders are gobbled up and try to package Ankiel and a 3rd baseman in a deal for a starting pitcher. If we don’t trade Ankiel during the offseason or ST, then we should go with him as the starting CF and then trade him midseason.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't decide between Looper, Wolf, and nothing
both seem about equally likely. I ended up voted for Wolf because I think the Cards prefer to target a lefty and he’s cheap.
by TheBirds on Jan 14, 2009 2:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sheets
is a no-win situation for the Cards, I think. If his medical reports are not too horrible, then probably he will sign quickly and for big dollars now that Lowe is signed. That makes him improbable for us. If his shoulder does look bad enough that teams hesitate, I would rather the Cards not be the ones to bite.
Also, you either have to sign him for a long or a short deal. If it is a longer deal (2 years plus), you are putting a major chunk of money into a pitcher with a history of injuries. If it is a shorter deal (1 year), you just gave Milwaukee a 1st-round draft pick for a rental.
I’ve loved watching Ben Sheets pitch, but I don’t think his situation is feasible for us.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 14, 2009 3:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't we get it back next year providing he's healthy
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 4:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A big proviso...
who knows? I sure do like having Wallace in our system (our first rounder last year), and not having him waiting to club us to death up in Milwaukee. Sending the draft choice north just makes it a bigger gamble.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 14, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I picked other
But I can’t specify what that ‘other’ entails. Mo’ tends to be quite close to the chest on what he does. I expect something, but not sure what.
I’m glad we didn’t bite that much for Lowe, but I have a feeling that Lowe’s contract just shaped Sheets out of our price range.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 14, 2009 4:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Afraid I agree
I doubt that Sheets will be in our price range after the Lowe deal. Not that he was even on the FO’s radar up to this point anyway…
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure
atlanta it seems was willing to overpay to make sure they got their guys. nobody else was offering the money or years that they gave to lowe and kawkami. i still think the rest of the league is bidding low.
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by FutureMan on Jan 14, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My vote was for
Nothing, move(s) will be made during ST. I think there’s about a 30-40% chance that this actually is the case, but IMO it’s the most likely of any one of the scenarios above.
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by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It'll be Garland or Looper
whichever one the wiji board says.
by ridgesee on Jan 14, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
perhaps the Wii-ji board
will be the hot video game next Christmas…?
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by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Benson in the mix.....
per MLBTR
Kris Benson, who said his shoulder hasn’t felt this good since 2000. Benson had rotator cuff surgery almost two years ago. Benson says the Cardinals and Dodgers have expressed the most interest, with the D’Backs and Rangers also in the mix.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jan 14, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great move
We needed to replace Matt Clement and his wife is very entertaining.
by ubeddie on Jan 14, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh!
This is really starting to drive me crazy now. If we are going to sign a SP with injury risks and related problems, why wouldn’t we sign the BEST pitcher…Ben Sheets…in that category in order to make it more worthwhile?….Ben Sheets. I know if we do sign Sheets to an expensive contract and he is hurt, then it’s money down the drain, but hello! Mulder, Clement, and to a less extent Carpenter! We should be used to this by now. Benson would come cheaper because he isn’t as good a pitcher so it is less of a risk than signing Sheets, but if he is healthy and sucks it has been just as useless as if he were hurt. I just wish the front office had the balls to actually pull the trigger on a player that is worthwhile and we can get excited about…Ben Sheets!
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not both?
Benson will probably only get a minor league deal with a spring invite anyway. Hopefully Sheets can stay healthy, and hopefully Benson can out-perform and replace Piniero (it wouldn’t take much).
"Your mom likes Albert Pujols" - Happy Joe
by fatbellyjefferson on Jan 14, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
I’d take both. I just don’t see Benson being too much of a factor if we were to sign him.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will not Sheets be multi-year contract?
and the Cards don’t want that I think…… being that Lowe got 4 years, I would think Sheets wants the same deal and that is something the Cards don’t want to do, IMHO. I don’t want Benson….. Mulder, Clement do indeed come to mnd…… I’d rather they get Looper back for a whole lot less and for a year or two.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jan 14, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Multi-year?
Possibly. Maybe a two year deal but I can’t see a 4-year deal for Sheets. Teams seem to be really worried about his injury risk and that is probably the main reason why he hasn’t signed yet. After Sabathia and Burnett signed it was between him and Lowe for the best pitcher left in the FA market. Now Lowe is gone and Sheets is still hanging out there. The longer he goes without signing, the cheaper he’ll get. But, there is always the potential that a team decides to swoop in and gamble on him before we decide to make a move. Right now I would offer him a 2-year/$32 million deal, with an option for a third if he exceeds 300 innings for us in the first two seasons. If he declines, oh well, we’re in the exact same position we are already in. And maybe he continues to go through the offseason w/o getting picked up and that contract starts to look awfully nice to him. Either way, I just don’t want the FO to sit on their hands while there is a potential season altering (in a good way) pitcher like Sheets out there for us.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2/$32
Seems steep when Lowe is getting $15M a year. I want Sheets, but that price is pushing it.
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by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah maybe
$16 mil a year might be pushing it, but I’m gonna make him an offer he can’t refuse ;)
The Lowe contract was terrible IMO simply because of his age. Giving someone 4 years when he is 36 just isn’t wise to me, even if he is as effective a pitcher as Lowe. Offering Sheets that much money could be unwise, but for a different reason which is of course his injury risk. I know Lowe hasn’t really declined over the past few years, but that was going from 32 to 35, not 36 to 40. I’d like to think offering Sheets more money than Lowe would be okay because there is a better chance for Sheets to go the next few years w/o serious injury than there is for Lowe to not regress due to age.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure
I would rather pay Lowe 4/$60 than Sheets 2/$32. I’m not saying I’d like to pay Lowe that much, but if those are my options I’d have to choose Lowe. I don’t see Lowe dropping off a cliff in terms of performance in the next couple of years but I could see Sheets missing significant time. If Kyle Lohse is worth $10M a season then even if Lowe gets worse in the last 2 years of his contract he will still be worth more than that. By the way, Lowe is 35 and he’s started over 30 games a season for the last 7 years.
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by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah....But Lohse isn't worth $10M(M)
We just jumped the gun on signing him. I wouldn’t want to give another pitcher a four year deal on top of the Lohse deal. If we signed Lowe to the 4/60 deal that means we are committing nearly $25 million a year to two starting pitchers for the next four years. That severely hinders us when we try to re-sign Pujols. We will have to cut corners and prevent adding quality to other areas because we have to A) Re-sign the Mang and B) Keep pumping out the cash for Lowe and Lohse
Signing Sheets to a 2-year deal takes that money off the books sooner in order to afford Albert. IMO, it’s a wash between Lowe’s age and Sheets’ injury history. Lowe could have a career ending injury tomorrow same as Sheets. I do agree Lowe probably won’t regress too much as he ages, and that’s because he only began starting when he was 29 so he is hitting his peak starting years later in his career. But, there is also a chance that Sheets doesn’t suffer any more severe injuries the rest of his career. Both are great pitchers and are worth the gamble. Also, a million dollars is alot of money to you and me, but look at this from the baseball world. 2-years/$32M=$16M a year. 4-years/$60M=$15M a year. That isn’t too much difference in salary and Lowe get’s the longer contract so it is still the better deal between the two.
It just seems to me like the Braves wanted to make sure no one else got him, so they tossed him a long deal with bigger money than anyone else was realistically willing to give him. It’s clear they are making a push by signing Kawakami and Lowe. They are going to focus on their rotation as the strongpoint this season since their lineup is fairly thin (unless of course they sign Abreu, Dunn, etc.)
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This discussion will go nowhere, but here I am....
If we signed Lowe to the 4/60 deal that means we are committing nearly $25 million a year to two starting pitchers for the next four years
This is why we shouldn’t have given Lohse that deal. We’d have to pay somebody to fill the rotation slot that Ben Sheets would leave after two years anyway.
Lowe could have a career ending injury tomorrow same as Sheets.
This is true, but I’ll bet you one billion (Dr. Evil voice) internet dollars that Sheets misses a start before Lowe does.
That said. BEN SHEETS!!!!
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you must say Sheets
‘cause Lowe has already signed with the Braves :) And I agree that we shouldn’t have given Lohse that deal, but the fact is we did. I would think two years from now any of Garcia, Boggs, Todd, plus K-Mac will be ready to take the spot of Sheets.
Waino
Carp
Lohse
K-Mac
Garcia
There is also a chance we sign another FA pitcher in 2010 or trade for someone by 2011.
And I’ll take you on that bet! And what the hell! I’ll raise you a pegacorn!
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn! You drive a hard bargain
The deal’s on, unless of course we sign Sheets. I don’t want to root for him to miss a start if we sign him.
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by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2/28M w/ incentives & 3rd year option?
by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how about 9Y/72M garuanteed
And another $1M per 10 innings pitched over 120?
No one else will give him that much garuanteed money, it’s $8M per year so if he completely falls apart he won’t be a boat anchor and he has a chance to be paid like an ace if he is one. And if he pitches well for a year or two, he’ll have massive trade value.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 14, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
he is guaranteed high income over nearly a decade during these tough economic times!
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by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking something like that
What about a Lohse-like deal? 4/$40 with an additional $1M for each 10 IP over 130. I bet he’d take it. If he pitched 180 innings a year that would get him $15M a year.
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by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
guaranteed money for Sheets
>>No one else will give him that much garuanteed money
“garuanteed” … must be the Cajun spelling of the word, Justin Wilson. Anyway, Sheets surely believes he will get at least $24 mill. He turned arb which somebody reported he was offered $15 mill by Milw. for 1 year to settle his arb rights. The offer makes sense if he made $11 mill last season. I personally think Sheets will get $24 mill guaranteed and, further, that he is where his market is at. We’ll see how it plays out.
by jjray on Jan 16, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, not another rehab pitcher!
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 14, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was tempted to vote other for this very reason.
I don’t think we’ll sign Sheets, Wolf, Looper, or Garland. We’re going to pick some random pitcher that all of us forgot was even a free agent. Just wait, you’ll wake up and see Tony Armas Jr. slated as our number 5 guy.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jan 14, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings?
hes like a tickle me Elmo or a cabbage patch kid.
he was the shit a couple of years ago but effing worthless now
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by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh...
someone has to fill the Mulder/Clement role on this team…
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by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kris Benson
We’re supposedly in the top two for him. We’ll probably get this done since I don’t want him, and rumor I want to get done doesn’t get done.
by waino on Jan 14, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think this is as good as anything
to predict who the Cards will acquire.
The amount of fear produced in the fanbase is a direct relation to the chances we get them
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by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Ben Sheets.
In ancient times, Cato the Elder was known for ending every speech he gave in the Roman Senate with the phrase: “Delenda Est Carthago” or “Carthage must be destroyed.”
From now until he signs elsewhere, I will be ending all of my posts with the following:
Sign Ben Sheets.
D.GOOCH
Sign Ben Sheets.
-- GOOCH
by GOOCH24 on Jan 14, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought you were going to say
Delenda Est Sheetso.
Which I’d be fine with if he doesn’t sign with us. ;-)
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 14, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking
Maybe if enough of Cardinal Nation makes this their mantra, it will actually happen. I’m making it my honorary sig until the Mets or someone else inevitably signs him.
I mean, Rome actually DID end up destroying Carthage. If it worked for Cato . . .
Sign Ben Sheets!
by bmorgan on Jan 14, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it should have been unanimous on the poll
If the FO would have seen that all of Cardinal Nation VEB (I hate Nations) was in favor of this signing, I think they would have seen the error of their ways (also not a big fan of cliches, but what the hell , this is worth it!)
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but the question was
“what WILL the front office do prior to spring training?” What the should do and what they will do are entirely different. Perhaps the next one of these open threads should have the “What should they do?” question asked. I bet there’d be much more consensus.
by spants on Jan 14, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by my comment
If we would have done that, MO would have seen it and signed Sheets, thus WILL is what I read.
Not convinced? Yeah, circular reasoning…it sucks. I am not even sure I convinced myself, but they really need to just sign Sheets already.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Launder Sheets Through the Yankees
Forgive the pun, but it was too fun to pass up. Get the Yankees to sign Sheets and take the draft hit. Trade them a minor leaguer of our choice (and theirs) in compensation.
-We get Sheets.
-Yankees gets a minor leaguer,
-Sheets gets to work
-Brewers get a Yankee 4th Round Pick
by JWO on Jan 14, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
are they allowed to sign anymore type As?
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/free-agent-quot.html
I think this means that the Yanks could theoretically sign 5 or 6 more type A’s because they lost 2 FA.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
except you can't trade
a player you just signed.
by outraged on Jan 14, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
without his permission.
This would be tampering, but it could be a fun thing to talk about if Mo got Cashman drunk at the hotel bar at the next GM meetings…
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 14, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*cough cough* Sheets *cough*
Sheets
I voted for trade for SP because it makes the most sense… I’d like them to sign Sheets however, since I have no idea who they could trade OF glut for
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I voted for trading as well
It’s unlikely that it will happen though. As was said before, this is probably the worst year I have ever seen where FA’s arent getting signed at this rate.
I think that Ankiel or someone from the outfield will be traded eventually. Most likely some team in mid season who is panicking and trying to get into the playoffs. It worked for the brewers last year. I have no doubt that there will be a few teams interested in Ankiel either to improve their playoff run chances or just getting into the playoffs period.
Sign Ben Sheets
by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you're probably right
it will be excruciating to see all these outfielders try and get playing time; or maybe just highly entertaining if the right ones get the playing time
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see
Luddy/Raz/Ank starting and Mather/BartonorSkip coming off the bench. Then we deal Ank to an AL contender at somepoint for SP and Mather starts and has a Ludwick-type season.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or just trade skip right now
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will beat the dead horse of trade skip
every time I hear the dead horse of trade ank beaten… that is my vow
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Luddy!
That horse isn’t quite dead yet, so I’ll start beating it some more ;)
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saddly I almost think the best case for us long term...
is to semi tank this season and be forced to trade an OF and Glaus at the deadline for a mint
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by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mo if you are reading through VEB today
SIGN BEN SHEETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SIGN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD MOVE FOR THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!
BOO JON GARLAND!!!!!!!!!
HOORAY BEN SHEETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just remember this before you go to bed tonite. Please.
(I also hope no one else signs him before you do go to bed tonite)
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you can do it.
you can do it all night long.
no need for sleep
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
y'know
that’s really not a bad idea
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is it possible
to start an online petition (w/ stats and projections included) to sign Sheets, and then send it to the FO?
perhaps that would let them know
by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
actually, I just did that. like I think I just got done with it as you posted. Hopefully it actually works.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/1/14/723178/call-to-mo-the-official-si
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jan 14, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also...
I mean ALSO
MO REMEMBER WOLF IS JUST AS INJURY PLAGUED AS SHEETS EVER WAS BUT ISNT HALF THE PITCHER.
SIGN SHEETS
BOO MARGINAL GAIN ROTATION FILLERS (LOOPER, WOLF, GARLAND)
IMPROVE THE TEAM NOT JUST TREAD WATER.
sorry, i cant keep the awful caps up
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by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we should trade for a cost controlled starter with some potential
I’m thinking a guy like Rich Hill, who is out of options with the Cubs. He was a very good pitcher before struggling in the majors and in AAA this year. The Cubs don’t have room for him on there roster, so they would probably have to trade him. He is 28, but would still be cost controlled for a couple more years and he really wouldn’t take that much to get because of his struggles last year.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad idea
Considering how bad Fukudome was last year, yet he somehow ends up in the All-star game….
by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was probably
a possibility before the milton bradley signing but not now.
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by FutureMan on Jan 14, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
they don’t need more OFs
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently they do
the signed the guch…
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 16, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that idea
I think Rich Hill has wicked stuff, may thrive under different coaching staff
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love
to give Duncan a shot at “fixing” Rich Hill’s control. That’s actually a great example of a young starter with some upside.
Does anyone else feel like lefthanded starters tend to have shorter success tracks in the majors than righthanded ones?
by Toddius on Jan 15, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but in what universe
would the Cubs make a trade with the Cardinals? I think the name Brock still lingers
by STLRegalia on Jan 15, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
has there been a Cards-cubs trade
since the Zeile-Morgan one in ’95?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 15, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
man,
how can that guy be 28?
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's a AAAA pitcher
Entered the minors in 2002 at age 22 and has spent parts of 4 seasons in the majors (starting in 2005).
Don’t let cubbie fans fool you into thinking this guy is a prospect.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 17, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone interested in fleecing the yanks?
I know there has been a lot of talk here, there, and everywhere about Hughes and Kennedy, but I am interested to know if you guys have any interest in Humberto Sanchez? He is 25, 6’6" and 230 lbs. He spent most of last year coming back from Tommy John, and could use a little more time in the minors. I have a feeling we could get him in a minor trade with the yanks, and he quite possibly could end up being lightning in a bottle at some point this season. The yanks don’t have a need for him now, and we’d have someone to beat the stuffing out of Big Z next year when the benches clear against the cubbies.
by RayMonD! on Jan 14, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he prefers the whopper over the big mac. he’s hoping to try an in n out burger this weekend.
"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa
by adiueordie on Jan 14, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anybody try the new Angry Whopper?
I never go to BK, but I love me some jalepeno burgers, and it looks delicious on tv.
by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had one yesterday
Delicious—make it a double!
by moser34 on Jan 14, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
double double animal style
hands down
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Jan 15, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved the Whopper virgins parody on the recent Neil Patrick Harris SNL episode.
Check for it on NBC.com, Hulu, and YouTube. It’s short.
by astrostl on Jan 14, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That whole episode was pretty good.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 14, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Doogie howser theme song short
was pure (boy) genius.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Jan 14, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Good stuff throughout. SNL has been on fire this season even without Fey’s Palin.
by astrostl on Jan 14, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I cried when Doogie did the theme song short...
It's not what you do, It's who you do...
by pattimagee on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the majority actually thinks that the front office will sign Ben Sheets?
that sort of surprising, will be more surprised if those who voted that didn’t read it wrong
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I tried my best
to make the poll question clear but it looks like I failed…
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 14, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
either that or a lot of people know something we don't know
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not all that original, but
Since the Braves have now signed a surplus of starting pitching, do you think it is possible the Cards could trade an outfielder to get a starter?
I know that the outfielder for reliever and outfielder for infielder situations have been rumored and discussed, but this is a slightly different situation.
As a secondary point, assuming no outfielder is dealt before the season starts, how about the odds of an of for sp swap with the Braves once Tim Hudson comes back (assuming he comes back) in midseason?
by aNdrOss on Jan 14, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Braves
are looking like best trade partners… haven’t heard any better suggestions yet anyway.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Outfielder for starter is definitely a good idea
We have discussed doing that a lot, but the FA market for outfielders is too flooded to get fair value. We probably wouldn’t be able to get a quality starter for Rick Ankiel or even Ryan Ludwick. Lets look at some teams that have been linked to us about an OF for SP swap.
The Braves still have a lot of question marks in there rotation. Hudson is oft injured, Lowe is too old, Jurrjens is too young, Campillo is unproven and Vasquez always underachieves. So the Braves probably wouldn’t want to trade a good starter for and OF when they could get a guy like Dunn or Abreu without giving up anything but money.
The Rays because they can’t afford the FA outfielders and they have an excess in SP. However, they signed Kapler and Burrell and traded a starter for Joyce so they don’t have any OF needs any more.
The Yanks might be a good fight for a Kennedy for Ankiel swap because they don’t want to spend anymore money on FA, however they are looking to dump an outfielder, not add one.
The Red Sox want to boost there offense and they are also looking for a catcher. Like the Rays they have an excess of good starting pitching, but are seemingly unwilling to trade Bowden or Buchholz. If we traded Anderson and Ankiel we might be able to pry one of those young starters away.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of those statements
except this:
Lowe is too old, Jurrjens is too young
Lowe is Mr. Consistency and Jurrjens has ace potential. Kawakami should do OK, Hudson will come halfway through the season to bolster up the rotation if Vasquez and Campillo struggle.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Jan 14, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe was
down right nasty in their playoff push last yr..ya manny was big but so was he
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jan 15, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
very bad timing to have an OF glut
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yankees and Braves
The Yankees might still want to pick up a center fielder. I think there should be a chance Ankiel will be attractive to them.
If we get Kennedy from them, though, there is danger of another Anthony Reyes fiasco. Kennedy and Reyes are both out of USC, and have similar mechanics.
The Braves need offense. They have just spent a ton on starting pitching. We’ll see where Dunn and Abreu go. If not there, maybe. But, I seem to recall they want a right-handed bat.
Seemingly there is more chance of a ST trade than of signing anyone. I think I must have been in daipers when the Cards last outbid someone for a free agent.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 18, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they only sign another starter if....
it becomes obvious that Carpenter can’t go in ST.
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)
by DiscoJer on Jan 14, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think that the only starter worth signing now is Sheets, because he is the only ace-type pitcher left on the market. If we fail to sign Sheets, than we shouldn’t overpay for a guy like Garland because there are many starters of his caliber left on the market (Wolf, Perez, Looper). If we wait until ST than we could probably get a guy of Garland’s ability for next to nothing or we could trade an OF for a pitcher then. So for me it’s Ben Sheets or no one.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right
we don’t just need a pitcher, we need a really good one to really compete. signing garland etc won’t really make us more competitive than we were last year, which won’t get us in the playoffs in 09..
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Jan 15, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, there's pettitte.
he’s been a roughly 5-6 win pitcher the last 2 years according to fangraphs, more valuable than sheets, peavy, lowe, etc (I know, i was shocked by that too).
Won’t cost a pick, either. just our pride, and a big pile of money.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 15, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice to have a lefty
But Pettite isn’t an ace. If we have to pay ace money for someone, I would rather it be Sheets.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 15, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pettitte...
…. will retire before he pitches for us.
by kindred on Jan 15, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i have no idea why he hates the STL, but he does
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
has there even been an offseason where it seemed like no one wanted to play for us?
Pettite, Johnson, Furcal (well he wanted to play for LA, and even acted like a jerk to get it done)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There must be an error in the calcs.
Pettite has a been a durable league average pitcher over the last 2 seasons. He is really just Garland from the left side.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
they tweaked something, because when I posted that he was a 5-6 win pitcher (with a value over $20M/year the last 2 years) and now he’s a 4-5 win pitcher with a value ~$16M. Hilarious.
Ah, here it is.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no carpenter will be fully healthy all year
mark my words
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we're all going to hold you to this
if he doesn’t, if’s all on you
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just go incognito if i'm wrong
think they’ll recognize me
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 15, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to put this picture on one of those inflatable punching bags
that you punch and they bounce right back up. It would be a great stress reliever.
by TheBirds on Jan 15, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and i never defined healthy
it could mean he doesn’t get the flu this year
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But "fully healthy"
means that he won’t get the flu and won’t have any other issues either.
by Jumsy on Jan 15, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1000 VEB dollars each
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 15, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be too much to pray for a Piniero injury?
again
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can Rich Aurilia play 2B? Platooned w/ AK?
Aurilia, 37, had a .903 OPS against lefties in 2008.
by STLRegalia on Jan 15, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know it's been discussed
But with the logjam at 3B, why not give Craig a shot at second? He played SS in college and he’s not getting anywhere fast as a 3B or outfielder with the Cardinals, so why not? He could start the season in Memphis or Springfield and we could just see how it works out. The worst thing that could happen is it doesn’t work and he goes back to third.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely advocate that idea
at least try to make the conversion with him, it would solve many problems. he’s good… he’s not as big as Freese and Wallace either, right?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 15, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
6'2" 190
Acceptable dimensions for a 2B. The whole question is how quick and nibble are his feet? Could he learn to make the pivot? I’d much rather see the Cards try Craig at 2B than the outfield which they have hinted they will try this year to help alleviate the crush of talent at 3B.
by jjray on Jan 16, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if that works out, we could field an infield made entirely out of former 3b prospects in 2010.
3b – freese
ss – barden
2b – craig
1b – wallace
obviously, not likely to happen, given that at least one of those spots is taken, but actually, that would be a hell of an infield.
by tom s. on Jan 16, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the one spot
that is taken is occupied by a former 3B prospect
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
I had chest pains when I read tom’s post, but you brought me back.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 16, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok then
let’s try him at 2B!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is scary
Now Howard is back for another round. And the first big mystery is: What salary will he file for? We’ve heard estimates ranging from $15 million to $17 million — for a player with three-plus seasons in the big leagues. Can you spell “cha-ching”?
If he wins his case he will be making more than MVPujols I can’t imagine what kind of salary it will take to keep him in the BoB.
*cough Ben Sheets *cough Sheets
I must be getting a Sheets cold.
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 15, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who knows how much he will cost
especially if we dont look competative…
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pads land
David Eckstein on a one-year deal. He’ll play 2B. Terms unknown.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jan 15, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jon Garland turns down offer from D-Backs
Cards still in the running?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jan 15, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just threw up.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 15, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At this point, I would be happy to get Garland.
Rather than someone who will sign as reclamation project.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 15, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer the reclamation project
at least those sometimes have the chance of some serious upside.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 15, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Boggs/Todd=Garland
but with upside and $free
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 15, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily
the value of garland lies in his ability to get us 200 innings. i don’t think todd or boggs get us that many. maybe combined. i just don’t see the harm in signing garland to a one year deal worth 4-6 mil. who knows what dunc could do for him.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 16, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whats it matter?
We basically had Garland last year, but he was called Looper…
except Looper did better than Garland last year, albeit in a cruddy year for Garland
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i mean whats the point in bringing in Garland/
Might as well roll with a farm guy and pray he becomes awesome or we suck and get a pick.
Whats the point of having a Garland make us mediocre, because they arnt going to put us over the top
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's going to be better than pinero
and he pitched 200 innings. where else are we getting the innings from? welle isn’t going to pitch them. carp isn’t going to pitch them. pinero isn’t going to. lohse is the only one that might pitch 200.
you would have thought we learned our lesson last year about not having innings eaters on the team.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 17, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
duncan
does no one else think that duncan could have a good effect on garland?
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my problem is
Garland already is what Duncan does…
Whats there to fix? He is already doing what Dunc advises and he doesnt have control problems ect
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
preparation
the thing about duncan that really makes the difference is his preparation of pitchers. maybe he would help garland attack a hitter better and therefore but more effective. duncan’s success doesn’t just come from pitching down in the zone.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 18, 2009 4:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers under DD
Usually lower their walk rate. Look at pitchers like Dave Stewart, Bob Welch, Woody Williams, Dennis Eckersley, Kyle Lohse, and Todd Wellemeyer. This doesn’t always work for everyone (see: Marquis, Jason and Wells, Kip), but there is a trend for pitchers under DD to develop better control and force the opposition to put the ball in play where the defense is set up to field it.
Garland has excellent control, but his K/BB have never been great. Decrease his walk rate 20-30 BB a year and he becomes a lot better pitcher. He probably won’t strike out more guys, but he’ll get a ton of ground balls
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jan 19, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should seriously just sign Looper
Out of the guys left, aside from Sheets who we aren’t going to sign, Looper seems like the best fit on this team.
by TheBirds on Jan 15, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ben sheets goes to the Nationals
they throw their Tex money at him..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jan 15, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of the available (non-sign-someone-whose-arm-is-only-half-attached) options,
2008 ERA+ (from Baseball Reference)
Looper 102
Pettite 98
Wolf 93
Garland 91
Sheets 139…oh well…..
McClellan 105
Pinero 83
Signing Looper makes some sense. Maybe letting McClellan compete for the fifth starting spot does too.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 15, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He might be better for a little while but once the season wears on he'll start getting worse.
Also, it significantly weakens the BP.
Why not just fork over a small amount of money to bring Looper back, he had a little trouble lasting all season the first year he made the conversion but he’s in full on starter mode now.
by TheBirds on Jan 15, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will put even more pressure on perez and motte
if kmac is out of the pen and tlr is allready scared of putting too much pressure on them as is. However I really like kmac slotted in at #5. But do we really want joel and PK being the big inning eaters in the pen.
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
by ForesterShane on Jan 15, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think McClellan in the rotation is only good if
Looper (or another reasonable starter is signed). That way, you are only asking McClellan to be better than Pinero was as a starter.
Pinero had an 83 OPS+ against in the first inning last year. Not bad at all.
If Looper (or Wolf, etc.) is signed, I doubt PK will be on the team. Franklin, Pinero, Motte, Kinney, Perez on the right handed side. PK would be in Memphis, unless he can beat Motte, Kinney or Perez out.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 15, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess offering him arb....
is a million dollar insurance policy?
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
by ForesterShane on Jan 16, 2009 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they could always bring back Springer
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of spending...
the 6 million that it will take to get Garland, then why not move K-Mac to the pen and re-sign Springer to work in the bullpen. He’s always been touted as a great leader in the pen, and we know he is still capable (as of last year).
I know K-mac won’t be able to throw 200 innings, but if you have a rotation of Waino, Welle, Lohse, a healthy Carpenter, Pineiro could make some spot starts for K-Mac to give him some extra rest. If we don’t have a healthy Carpenter, then a see what Boggs/Todd is capable of this year with some spot starts.
by Jumsy on Jan 16, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cubs get worse again...
… they sign Taguchi. if he makes the team out of ST, it basically is guaranteed that they’re gonna outright release Pie.
what the hell are they smoking over there? good thing for them they get to have a payroll at least 50% greater than the BoB.
by kindred on Jan 16, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
perhaps he's there to help w/ Fukudome
help make him more comfortable.
by TheBirds on Jan 16, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's your problem, Kosuke-san
You haven’t hit any dramatic and unlikely post-season homeruns which help get your team to the world series. I told Yadier Molina the same thing and it worked out awesome.
by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now I REALLY want to win.
this brought a fire back into a rivalry that was starting to dwindle for me with the offseason.
First last year with Edmonds, then Miles, now TAGUCHI!? It’s like this team is purely after going at our gut. These guys are on their last legs (minus Miles), and they are hardly going to be an upgrade over the rest of the market out there. Are they doing this purely for the sake of being bastards? I think yes.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jan 16, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I need to find a way to paraphrase that paragraph
to use as a sig. All I really need to do is use the last two sentences, but it needs to be kept in the proper context.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Are the Cubs
signing scrappy former Cardinals to be bastards? I think yes."
How’s that?
by spants on Jan 16, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, thanks.
you could replace the “they” with “Cubs” in the last sentence and take out the “(minus Miles).” That might be all you need to do. I wish you luck.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jan 16, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
geez,
they are becoming the new Blue Jays
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but they're the Cubs
which is a lot worse.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jan 17, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This stings
Edmonds, Miles, So… My gall is heartbroken. Her So and Miles jersey shirts are all she’s got, too. Tragic.
Screw you, Aaron Miles. "Hope you tear your ACL, jackass!!" - Carl
by Zoop on Jan 16, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
another cubbie
dumpster dive. get out of out trash, vagrants!
I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds / PAH9
by erik on Jan 16, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they are as bad as the freaking Red Sox
FFS you have enormous payrolls and now you are taking our dumpster players too! ;-)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
poop
Michael Young is moving to 3rd
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2009 2:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anything to reduce our chances of potentially taking on an albatross contract.
by astrostl on Jan 16, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn insomnia
Jeff Luhnow talked on the STL radio yesterday afternoon. sure it was with Bernie & Strauss, but it’s still worth a listen. it’s a long one too. so grab a snack & a drink or 5 & enjoy.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2009 3:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff
Much appreciated.
One comment Luhnow made caught my ear. In talking about passing on Porcello he mentioned that a 5-6 year pay off for a high school pitcher was too long to be worth that kind of an investment. I am not sure I understand that logic, but I guess it means we shouldn’t hold our breath for any future over slot signings of 1st round HS pitchers.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 16, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still dont under stand the Bernie Strauss hatred around here
and I dont understand who most think are better (especially locally)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bernie, at least
misrepresents the facts to make players and managers look bad. He manipulates facts to prove points he’s decided are true (IE, dewitt is cheap, dewitt is going to sell the team, duncan hates reyes, mo is in over his head, etc) without having done the due diligence to ensure he is, in fact, correct.
In short, he’s a muckracker with minimal intellectual integrity and a lot of ego. He was actually decent in the past, and every now and then he has something interesting to say, and we’re kind of counting on him (and others at the PD) for information about our team, but he’s gone way off the deep end this off season. And his radio show is brutal to listen to; he’s definitely a writer, not a talker.
Strauss is just an egomaniac who is usually wrong.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please.
You make Bernie sound like Jay Mariotti and he’s not even close.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 17, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would rather have mariotti
mariotti at least makes a good villan. he’s up front about having unpopular ideas. bernie is the guy that always bends (or breaks) the truth to get a following. he is the worst kind of used car salesman (no offense to any used car salesmen here on the site).
the only writer i can stand to read from the post dispatch is goold and i think most would agree with that.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bernie
I wrote this a few weeks ago, and I still believe that it’s so:
Bernie isn’t the guy who objectively criticizes the team. He’s the guy who criticizes them to show something about himself. It’s like he’s running around with a big damn banner that says “Look at me! I don’t take Don Tony’s shit! The Cardinals are trying to hose you! The big bad corporate villains vs. the common man!!! Look at me!!!” It’s not about journalism, it’s about getting people to read your column and call into your shitty show. I can’t stand it personally. He and Burwell are worse than Gordo, who’s just a bad writer…those guys are respectable writers who have an agenda. Goold is awesome but that’s just about it over in PD world. Anyone up for kidnapping Joe Posnansky from KC?
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 17, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree.
This is my perception as well, for the most part. Up to and including worshipping goold and kidnapping poz.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would even be willing
to trade Rasmus for Poz. That tells you how disgusted I am with the columnists over at the P-D.
Geez, I should have used that for a fanpost
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
& the commish
I hate winter!!!!
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 17, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, bernie is better than mariotti
but he is still basically trying to turn the PD into a tabloid, and I’m not going to ignore it when I see it. He’s doing the team and the fans a huge disservice.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I dont understand
how he is trying to turn the PD into a tabloid?
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
Bernie is doing his job. He isn’t a sports reporter. He basically writes op-ed pieces. We are all free to (dis)like him. But it’s not like he’s claiming the Cardinals are signing an extraterrestrial to pitch.
by spants on Jan 17, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Same thing happened here in Chicago with Mariotti. I think sometimes people confuse “columnist” with “reporter”. It’s Bernie’s job to have an opinion whether he really believes it or not.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 17, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's BS.
And if it isn’t, then there’s no reason for us not to despise him. A man who writes untrue things in order to sell something is not someone I’d go out of my way to defend. Especially if he doesn’t even believe what he is saying.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 18, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's his job to take a stance on something
He may agree with it or not but he’s to write an opinion.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 18, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
its his job to sell papers. he does that by getting people riled up. to me bernie is the exact equivalent of skip bayless.
i’m fine with him having an opinion but when that opinion is obviously off base and comes with an agenda i have a problem with it.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 18, 2009 4:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taking a stance is one thing...
…Shooting BS out of your ass for the purpose of getting readers, callers, and just generally riling people up is quite another. The man isn’t taking a stance because he honestly feels that way. He just shoots off his drivel and basically carries a figurative banner around saying “LOOK AT ME, I’M NOT TAKING THE TEAM’S SHIT AND I’M HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE!” Two completely different things…the first is his job, the second is the reason newspapers are dying.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 18, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"the second is the reason newspapers are dying."
That may be true, but apparently it’s what the paper wants. If they didn’t, he’d either change or they’d get rid of him.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
by Tackle Box on Jan 18, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont see
what he says that inflamatory at all?
If anything he is pretty fair, and when people go off the deep end criticizing he tries to reel them in.
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 18, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"the second is the reason newspapers are dying"
Bad columnists are NOT why newspapers are dying. It has a little more to do w/ this here intraweb and the effect it has on advertising and readership.
Sign Ben Sheets!
by bmorgan on Jan 18, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're connected
The internet tends to attract younger readers, while the ones older than me (39) stick with newspapers…however, and this is particularly the case with the P-D, when the newspapers aren’t good, people won’t read them. They’re really two seperate forms of expression, and both have their individual uses. If the newspapers are bad, then people will rely completely on the blogosphere and cnn.com (or other similar sites) for all of their news, instead of a piece of it.
Think about it…do you consider VEB, Deadspin, Beyond the Box Score, etc. to be anything like a newspaper? Sure, they both provide news and opinion…but the newspaper is based completely on reporting and research, while blogs aren’t always and often are not. Ideally the newspaper is the thoroughly objective source of local and national news, while the blog is where you go for opinion, analysis, and to some extend full openness. It doesn’t always work that way, esp. since the P-D is trying very very hard to provide less and less news coverage and more and more volume.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 18, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I will concede many of your points
the statement that newspapers are dying because of dumbass columnists like Bernie is just not true. That is a complete oversimplification of the new times of print journalism. Great newspapers are going down like well-paid hookers all over the country, and you can’t tell me that a misguided columnist is to blame.
Newspapers rely on revenue from advertising, and in order to sell ads, you need a readership. Many people (including myself) just don’t subscribe to newspapers nowadays. I would rather read Goold and Posnanski on my laptop every morning; it’s much easier and creates less waste. I’m in my mid-twenties and I don’t have a single friend that subscribes to newspapers.
So, sorry to rant, and I agree that a bad columnist can be a reaction of declining readership, but it is not a root cause. (I majored in journalism as an undergrad, so it kind of hit a nerve)
Sign Ben Sheets!
by bmorgan on Jan 19, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I should rephrase
While I’ll concede that newspapers lose readership to the WWW, they lose even more from my generation and older by doing a poor job. A misguided columnist like Miklasz is a part of an overall decline. I think that makes my point a bit clearer.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 19, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it does make your point clearer
but i just disagree with you on the cause/effect issue. no worries, to each his own.
Sign Ben Sheets!
by bmorgan on Jan 19, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't tell anyone blues,
but i dont hate them. Bernie is just plane stupid sometimes, but he also has his good moments. joe being the teams beat reporter probably follows the team closer than anyone & has a lot of good (and bad) insider info that’s great to read during the season.
i’ve also listened to them on the radio the past couple weeks & i think they’ve done a really good job.
but please don’t tell anyone blues, i don’t want to lose any of my VEB street cred
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Omar Visquel
I’m thinking he might be right for our utility infield spot. 1 year for 1 million dollars would probably get him and he could actually be really valuable. If you look at his last full season in 07, he was eerily close to Izturis this year. Visquel had a .621 OPS with 14 steals, Cesar had a .628 OPS with 24 steals. Visquel actually had more power than Cesar with a .07 ISO to Cesar’s pathetic .046 ISO this year. Overall Visquel was worth -27.2 runs offensively (yuck) but he had a ridiculous +19.9 Runs defensively. That made him worth 1.8 WAR. His has only played 1 inning at second in his career, but I’m sure he could do well there this year. If you give him around a .250 wOBA (hah), but you could probably expect his defense to be around a 15 UZR rating and a 5 run positional bump due to his time at second, He would be worth about 1 WAR, which would be pretty good for a 42 year old MIF.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
didn't he retire?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is this?
Why won’t Mo bring back Springer. All La Russa does is bitch about not having a proven closer, but he doesn’t want to bring back one of the best relievers in the game over the last two seasons when he has offered to take a pay cut. That will look even more stupid when the Cubs sign him, and we end up moving McClellan to the rotation. Then our bullpen will suck again.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Budget issues
Seems like the plan was to cut ties when arbitration wasn’t offered. Still need to find a starter so have to save money somewhere.
Franklin, Thompson, McClellan, Kinney, Motte, and Perez compete for five RHP spots with Miller, Ring and Miller for two LHP spots.
2008 Bullpen – Izzy, Franklin, Springer, McClellan, Thompson, Flores and Villone (with cameo’s by Reyes & Jiminez)
by ubeddie on Jan 16, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can wonderbrad please not be in it?
just saying, I think that if we release brad, move McClellan to the rotation and sign springer, we would be much better off
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's so bad about Thompson?
he’s not that bad, better than Pineiro…
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderbrad is only better than Piniero
only in that he is younger and cheaper. Neither are very good.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 17, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PK can be really good if his sinker is working
if not, he’s likely to pull a hammy kicking some ARF puppies
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of puppies everywhere
he needs to get it working a lot more often.
PK as a starter: K/9=3.62, BB/9=2.75, WHIP=1.49
JP as a starter: K/9=4.90, BB/9=2.12, WHIP=1.46
And that is using PK’s career numbers in 128 IP compared to JP’s lousy 148.7 innings in 2008.
I am all for using the younger, cheaper guy but it is mostly wishful thinking that Thompson would be any better as a starter than JP.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 18, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Piniero probably has some upside
He was a pretty damn good pitcher for a couple of years in Seatle and he was good in 07 in a brief stretch. Piniero will probably have a pretty good year, but we should still get an ace type pitcher. BEN SHeets
by vivaelpujols on Jan 18, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see a broader scope of stats
but I get your point
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 18, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
ERA+ (from Baseball Reference) / xFIP (from The Hardball Times)
Pinero:
2002 131 / Not Available
2003 114 / Not Available
2004 97 / 4.48
2005 75 / 4.49
2006 70 / 4.92
2007 104 (94 in BOS, 111 in StL) / 5.00 (BOS) and 4.30 (StL)
2008 83 / 4.43
Thompson:
2005 144 / 4.11
2006 133 / 4.48
2007 93 / 5.34
2008 83 / 4.65
Looper:
2004 158 / 3.27
2005 104 / 4.85
2006 125 / 4.33
2007 89 / 4.93
2008 102 / 4.59
For upside, I don’t see much to choose between Pinero and Thompson. Both have been very good in the past, and both have gotten shelled more recently. But I think that for upside, and for consistency, you can argue that Looper beats them both. He has been better than either and has done it both more often and more recently.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 18, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
however, his sinker has lost a lot of its bite ever since the shoulder issues. I miss it soooooo bad, it used to be down right nasty, now it’s “ok”
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 19, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy cow :(
“I loved the opportunity to play for the Cardinals and the fans,” said Springer. “I did everything I can to come back. I told them I’d take a pay cut, play for incentives. And it just never went anywhere… They don’t have any interest in bringing me back.”
by astrostl on Jan 17, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can we not sign the guy
Send McClellan to the rotation and put Springer in the bullpen. A pay cut and he’s not good enough for us?!?
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 17, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One side of the story
Who knows what the truth is. I suspect it isn’t that one-sided. Often, when someone says he wants to play for incentives, he’s trying to participate in the upside if he performs well. Maybe big Russ said I’ll play for $1.5 base and $3 million bonus if I hit certain targets.
Nevertheless, for the second year in a row we’ve let guys go who would have been upside for the money. First Percival and now Springer.
Just win
by The Duke on Jan 17, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, we were wrong about percival
they let him go at the right time.
It’ll be interesting to see how it works out with springer. I’m on the “why the heck didn’t we sign him” wagon, now, but they may turn out to be right (again)…
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only reason I can see this making sense
is if they plan to spend every penny on someone else or they are fed up with “babying” him in the pen
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they're worried about keeping their options open
in case Carpenter ain’t ready
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call it babying
he was a work horse for a solid stretch there, and he is up there in age.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 19, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
compare him to kmac for example.
One Century down, next on its way. Cardinals '09 : Preserving the Cubs tradition.
by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 19, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am curious
I probably missed any discussion, but what about signing O. Perez
Odalis Perez…that is :D
If we don’t get Sheets, the guy would be really cheap, and I’m sure he could be better than Pineiro.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=3927
Reclamation project, Dave Duncan specialty? The next Lohse?
by Taskmaster on Jan 16, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take him for free if he just pitches BP to Pujols before games, but I think that’s it.
by astrostl on Jan 17, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Albert Pujols vs. Odalis Perez
23 at bats
14 hits
3 doubles
5 homers
15 rbi’s
9 walks
1 strikeout
.609/.719/1.391/2.110
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet that strikeout made him tingle inside
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 18, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was a BS call by the home plate umpire, IIRC
Actually, I don’t RC anything about that particular K, but it seems like a safe guess ;)
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 18, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is worth more to us
Just letting him pitch to Pujols once in a while
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 17, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looks like Mo read thegodfather's question and decided to answer it.
Nothing till ST Here.
Referring to Carp, “If he can go, we have a good rotation,” Mozeliak said. “If he can’t, we’ll use spring to address it.”
Good news reported for carp and albert’s recoveries.
by tom s. on Jan 17, 2009 3:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
But what if he gets hurts in the first game of the season?
But something like that never happens
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy talk
the odds of something like that happening are…wait
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 17, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a million to one shot doc! Million to one!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So that's what they will be telling us
In April.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 18, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great...
we can just go to the Spring training pitcher just as good as Carp store…
because its not like they arnt tons of them around.
Why not just freaking sign Sheets now?
If Carp cant go we have someone just as talented, if he can go we have a scary good rotation.
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com or www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
NO Garland, NO Wolf, NO Looper!
by jealousblues on Jan 17, 2009 5:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Irrationality springs eternal
Carpenter hasn’t pitched in two years. If this is not just PR, I cannot understand it. Just because the team is paying Carp a bunch of money does not mean he will ever pitch again. It is irrational to base the season on his return to health.
I will be really bitter if the team goes to ST, effectively, with Pinero as the #4 starter and Boggs as #5.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 17, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your displeasure
as I would like an additional starter too, but it is just as irrational to assume Carpenter will never pitch again. He looked pretty good in the few innings he threw last year, plus the last time he had a nerve problem that kept him from pitching he came back the next year and won the Cy Young.
I am not predicting anything that dramatic, but there is no reason to assume the guy is completely done.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 17, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope...
That Chris Carpenter will make 30 starts in ’09. 200 IP, 140 ERA+. He did better than that in 2005 and 2006.
But,
I think it is irrational to predict the above line is probable. Or, anything close to it. At the start of the year, you want to set yourself up with the best probability of winning that you can, within reason.
Signing Looper + a real left-handed reliever (someone who is a good pitcher, not just a LOOGY) is reasonable. I think the Cards could probably do it for the amount of money that they offered Fuentes, or close to that. Whether Carpenter comes back, or not, I think we would have a greater probability to win.
If we go into the season holding our breath and hoping Carp comes through, I will believe that the team could have done better but chose not to.
Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.
by IL and StL Fan on Jan 17, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs