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So frustrating

There’s nothing more frustrating during the course of a game then getting a runner to third base w/ no one out or 1 out and being unable to get him home. (Bet you thought I was going somewhere else w/ this thread, huh?) Walking the leadoff hitter or, worse, the #8 hitter w/ 2 outs is really frustrating, too. Making an error preceding a guy like Berkman or one of the other better hitters in the league drives me crazy but how many times do we say, when we pop up to 2nd or strike out w/ that runner on third and 1 out, "that’s going to cost us the game right there?"

Now, I’ll admit that, if Pujols strands that runner, I’m a little less frustrated. Under normal circumstances, I don’t want him giving himself up to get that runner home. If he can hit a double or hit one out of the park, I don’t want a grounder to 2nd. He can turn a runner on third into a crooked-number-inning w/ 1 swing of the bat so, unless it’s the 8th or 9th and the game’s tied or we’re down by one, I want him swinging for the big inning. But if it’s Kennedy, or Molina, or Schumaker … someone like that, you’d better damned well get that runner in.

It led me to wonder how we did last year in these circumstances. It always seems like we’re terrible in this circumstance b/c we can all think back to that game against the (fill in the blank) where (insert jerk player here) failed to get that runner in from third and we lost 5-4 and it’s the reason we didn’t make the playoffs b/c that game led to a (select random number here) game losing streak and the (Cubs or Brewers) won (select another random number) games in a row and….%^@$&*%$!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it’s amazing how remarkably average the Cards were in this particular situation in 2008. See below:

PA R H HR RBI K SF GDP BA OBP SLG OPS
Cards 348 214 84 6 202 46 44 19 .326 .372 .473 .845
NL Average 345.5 216.4 82.8 6.4 203 54.2 42.4 19.4 .323 .368 .474 .841

I have to say that I’m fairly encouraged by that. We were basically an average offensive team last year, maybe slightly better than average, and were average in those situations that I find the most frustrating. We were certainly better than I would have imagined. I bet we all remember some of those Ks and DPs but rarely we remember the SFs.

So who were the heroes and who were the goats? (Who was that bleepity-bleep who cost us that game against the Cubs?!!!!!)

PA H HR RBI K SF GDP BA OBP SLG OPS
Pujols 47 14 2 35 2 8 1 .538 .574 .885 1.459
Ludwick 42 10 0 25 7 8 2 .357 .381 .571 .952
Ankiel 29 5 0 10 11 3 1 .208 .241 .250 .491
Glaus 29 6 1 17 3 3 2 .261 .310 .478 .789
Skip 25 10 1 18 0 1 3 .455 .480 .636 1.116
Kennedy 24 7 1 19 1 4 2 .350 .292 .500 .792
Miles 21 7 1 16 2 1 2 .368 .381 .632 1.013
Molina 19 4 0 12 0 5 1 .400 .421 .400 .821

That Pujols guy’s pretty good, huh? I realize small sample size and all but a 1.459 OPS in 47 PAs is nothing to sneeze at. I’ll take it. Probably few of us are surprised to see Ankiel’s name next to the worst numbers here. It seemed as though he stunk in "clutch-type" situations and here’s exhibit A. I’m a little surprised to see Glaus’s numbers appear so "average" – relative to his numbers throughout the year – since, if we’ve got a runner on third and less than 2 outs, often we’re beating up a pitcher. Remember, these aren’t always 3-2 games here. Several of these incidents could be in the middle of a 5 run inning. I’d expect Glaus’s numbers to have been better. Even Ludwick, though very good in these situations, had a slightly higher OPS overall than in these situations. Still, I’ll take a .945 OPS and be happy, thank you very much.

Maybe what I found most surprising when doing this research is that the team had only 1 successful squeeze attempt last season. Anybody know the squeezer? I’d have never guessed it. One Brad Thompson in this game against the Astros. Shawn Chacon walked the bases loaded in the 2nd inning and the Cards took a 1-0 lead on Thompson’s successful squeeze. We went on to win 5-3. That was April 8. We had no successful squeezes in the subsequent 154 games.

Comment on this if you like or comment on what "failures" you find to be the most frustrating. As I said, this isn’t it for me. I detest double plays and botched squeeze plays and walking the pitcher and…

I better go take my high blood pressure meds now!

EDIT -- One more thing: I promised Hardcore a link to his fanpost about the 2006 NLCS game 7 that'll be on MLB TV tonight so here it is. Go Cards!

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I suppose I'll put this in the

“if we’re gonna trade an outfielder, think Ankiel” column. How long do you think it’d take him to improve on this?

by sdrone on Jan 10, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

not to sound flippant

but, “one day”. Seriously, these sample sizes are so small that if ankiel hits a home run in his next PA with a man on 3rd, less than 2 outs, his situational OPS will jump all the way to .734.

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 10, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i didn't create this so i would be the only one to use it, but hang on, here it is...

it’ll catch on one of these days. maybe in game threads three months from now.

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 11, 2009 5:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My most frustrating aspects of watching our team:

“On-field”:
1. Blown Saves
2. Missed Umpire Calls
3. Walking a Pitcher

“Off-field”:
1. Inane Commentator Remarks
2. Interminably Long Rain Delays

by Fred Head on Jan 10, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

a different slant

i agree on the frustration of not scoring those “low hanging fruit” runs from third, but i disagree a bit on how to measure success. league average of rbi/ab was 59% in these situations and cards average was nearly identical (58). as the individuals in the table go, however, the top 2 were miles and kennedy followed by pujols, with skip right behind him (all in the 70 range). after skip, only molina was above league average (63) and ank gets the bottom slot at 34. to me this reflects not only a “cardinal sin”, but also a sin for most of modern baseball. just watch the at bats in these situations. there is very little situational hitting in terms of looking for the pitch that might best be put in play for the SF. i was always told in those situations, the first two strikes are for the team and you don’t hit for yourself until 2 strikes. i guess you can’t make money that way, and these numbers kind of reflect that. they also reflect the fact that miles and kennedy did make some real contributions to our run total after all.

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Jan 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

please for my sanity, don't go there

I can barely handle that sayings when talking about the FA market, if that term makes it into normal thread usage I might have to…I don’t know, go crazy maybe.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sayings= I must already have went crazy

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 10, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols and the runner on third with < 2 outs

I am a huge fan of the big inning, but if the score is tied or we are down 1 then I want APu to get the run home at all costs. Otherwise, let ’er rip.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 10, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Another

frustrating thing about this years team was how many times it seemed they walked the bases loaded and/or walked home a run. I still remember the series in Detroit when we walked home the winning run.

by stl522 on Jan 10, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think I repressed that memory… that is indeed the most frustrating thing

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 10, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not getting the runner on

3d home with less than two outs is incredibly frustrating. I don’t know if anything makes me madder. It’s a fundamental execution that you have to be able to do with great consistency. This is a situation where contact hitters actually have value – Miles, Molina and Skip all did pretty well.

Not surprisingly Pujols is the man.

by Toddius on Jan 10, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed: Fundamentals

In addition to the hitter not hitting the sac fly or groundball to the right, is the runner not paying attention. I know that 08 team did not have a lot of raw speed, but I wish the baserunning would improve. Again, not surprisingly, Pujols is also El Hombre in terms of smart and aggressive baserunning.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 11, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/hit-em-where-they-aintmdashif-you-can/

How do we make sense of this? What’s happening is that batters strike out less often (-12 percent) and walk less often (-6 percent) in sac fly situations. They are indeed putting more balls in play, because they want to score the run, but they are not hitting more fly balls per ball in play.

Note that the flyball rate is virtually identical for sac fly situations and for all situations (29 percent compared to 28.4 percent). Batters just don’t seem to be able to hit more fly balls even when they have a strong incentive to do so.

/brokenrecord for now :)

by astrostl on Jan 11, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Frustrating things for me
  1. Pitchers not getting a sac bunt down. Literally, it’s all they f***ing practice and it isn’t that hard to do. Get the job done and help yourself and your team.
  2. Not hitting behind runners on base when you have two strikes. Also happens to be TLR’s biggest pet peeve if you believe George Will’s book Men At Work.
  3. Not getting a runner home from second with no outs or third with less than two out.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 10, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i enjoyed it

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 10, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed it too

I also really enjoyed Friday Night Lights. He’s a very good writer, but now whenever he’s mentioned I immediately think of him shitting himself over Deadspin on Bob Costas’ show, which wasn’t his finest moment.

by BTown Birds fan on Jan 10, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed.

i still hope they’ll find a studio for the three nights in august film, but i feel the same about him. whenever he’s mentioned i immediately think of the bob costas show (link). i saw it half-drunk one night, before i read the whole deadspin blow-up about it. I was first totally excited that Will Leitch and Buzz Bissinger were together on there (two Cardinal fans.. yay!). Then I was completely blindsided (as Will was too) by Buzz attacking “bloggers”…

I wish the link above had the whole segment, because it gets to the point where Buzz is just cussing Will out and making a huge ass of himself. Its pretty gnarly.

Go Blogs!

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 11, 2009 5:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very Good.

Loved how Larussa described Kerry Wood.

by njnick on Jan 10, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i read it and really enjoyed it

it’s a little scary going into the mind of TLR, but it was a good read…

if you can’t trust a southern lawyer cooking a kosher meal in a dumpster,
well, then, the world has grown far too cynical

by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 10, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it is scary. also super awesome. maybe i’m a bigger la russa fan than the majority of the crowd here. i think if every cardinal fan read that book there would be less anti-la russa stuff all over the cardinals-inter-tubes.

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 11, 2009 5:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really?

Reading that book is one of the reasons I’m such a TLR skeptic. I was very much not impressed by his thought processes, at least as outlined by bissinger. many of the “facts” he used to make decisions just flat out made me cringe.

OTOH, keep in mind that it is bissinger doing the writing. Bissinger’s idiocy is more apparent now than it was when I first read the book (2006?)

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 11, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a very good book, especially if you were emotionally invested in that particular Cardinals team

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 11, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As far as the results above go

I don’t find it all that surprising that the guys with the best bat control are also the ones with a high OPS in these situations. They are also the best two strike hitters on the Cardinal team.

Above, sportsman was talking about approach in these situations, and while I agree that it has some to do with being successful (especially via a via Ankiel), I also think that having great bat control and being able to hit to all fields is important as well. I think that these are the things that become more magnified in the playoffs when you face nothing but the other teams best pitchers. Getting runners home from third with less than two outs and hitting behind runners to advance them when you have two strikes are more important in games where you aren’t going to get a lot of chances at the big inning. It’s really just playing the game the right way and trying to help your team win at all costs, but there are certain players who will just be better at this type of stuff than others.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 10, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Nice catch

I really need to edit my posts better…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jan 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But just for kicks,

say “via a via” out loud. It’s kinda funny.

by spants on Jan 12, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It happens so rarely that it's pretty irrelevant, but

boy it’s frustrating to have an opposing batter make first on a strikeout. And I’ll second foursticks blown bunts by pitchers.

by BTown Birds fan on Jan 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hate

When there’s a rally and someone comes up and pops out on the first pitch. I mean, really, don’t effing reach 2 feet out of the zone to swing on the first pitch when the bases are loaded.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 10, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

did it seem like AK and Izturis were especially guitly of this?

at least early on in the season it seemed like every time one of those two came up in a critical situation, the end effect was a pop-up

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 10, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

If the pitch is a crappy one

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by jd is legend on Jan 10, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

similar to this,

anytime someone swings at a bad first pitch with Pujols on deck. They have to know they are going to eventually get a good pitches, so why not wait for one?

by capn crunch on Jan 10, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Ankiel stays

I hope we see alot of PH’s for him with Mather of (hopefully) Freese in these late inning situations. That is if Ank can’t improve and Mather/Freese can be more productive than him under these circumstances. But, with those numbers Rick put up last season, doing so will not be too difficult…

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Jan 10, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and it's frustrating when...

Disclaimer: This isn’t necessarily a batter’s fault as it is managerial blunder, imo.

When say a right-handed batter has gone say 2-for-3 in a game, then gets pulled late for a lefty-righty match up with the pitcher, then that new batter proceeds to strikeout/flyout/etc….Some of the time the pitcher will then be replaced by a LOOGY so it was like “WTF was the point of that anyways?”

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Jan 10, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

you gotta think that after Rick’s first season as a hitter that he will improve some there

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 10, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bases loaded, none out

The batter pops up on the infield. I know we have two more outs to work with, but it just feels like such a huge momentum swing that there’s no way we’re getting a run. That, or a 1-2-3 DP with the bases loaded and none out.

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by jd is legend on Jan 10, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

1-2-3 DP

that’s pretty brutal.

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 10, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, but...

there is no question that double plays make you groan (and the 1-2-3 variety might be the groaniest) but in most cases the result (tho very negative) is not because of bad execution (at the plate).
POP-UPs indicate bad execution, to me, far more than hitting a ball on a line or on the ground. To me, popping up with a runner in scoring position is the biggest groan of all, as far as situational hitting is concerned.
Second place would be a player who strikes out leading off an inning, especially if it is obvious that he is “going for the downs” as we used to say.

by the Tewk on Jan 10, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A weak 1-2-3 DP is the worst

Think the ones Maddux could deliver.

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PowerOfDixieland @ Track Em Tigers, other SEC blogs

by jd is legend on Jan 10, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how about

man on second, base hit up the middle, and we end up first and third?

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 10, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

this is bad?

I guess you mean b/c the runner didn’t score from 2nd but, if no one’s out, I’d be perfectly happy keeping the rally going. First and third, no one out is much better than runner on 1st and 1 out.

by chuckb on Jan 10, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

frustrating, not necessarily bad

and yeah, i guess getting thrown out at home is even more frustrating (and bad). but there’s a reason it’s called “scoring position” ;)

still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.

by SleepyCA on Jan 10, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What I hate worst

Is when a pitcher walks in a run when the bases are loaded especially when it is the closer, ie Perez

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 10, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

he did that in boston right?

that game had everything.

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 10, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't that Boston game also feature

Oquendo sending Duncan home in the extra innings only to have Drew throw him out by a wide margin? That’s one of the most frustrating plays IMO: having the runner gunned down at the plate. I understand he’s aggressive, and it works a lot of times — but Oquendo’s windmill drives me crazy sometimes.

by phesto on Jan 10, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it also has effected

the way I play video games. Im always getting thrown out trying to stretch a double into a triple or trying to go from 3rd to home on a weak fly ball.

by Evilfrog on Jan 11, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

My husband is the same way with baseball video games. He’s always pushing his luck.

by spants on Jan 11, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

many thanks to chuckb

the kind of thread starter I enjoy the most (informative)… and I thank you for the time it took to research and present it. It inspired nice, crisp comments, too.

by the Tewk on Jan 10, 2009 6:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah here's some cake too

"I'm as nauseous as I've ever been. I have a terrible headache. My head is pounding. I feel like throwing up and I'm having trouble swallowing. And the beauty of it is, you want to feel like this every day." - Tony LaRussa

by adiueordie on Jan 11, 2009 5:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Frustrating

when the coaches godson gets to keep playing even though his neck is broken.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 10, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

The sequel

coming soon to a ballpark near you!

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 10, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Naw he is all good

They glued it back together

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 10, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope

They used krazy glue, not that elmer’s sh*t

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 10, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard

they used the same glue they used on Mulder’s shoulder.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jan 11, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All these things make me nuts,

but stupid managerial decisions are worse. I can cut a player a little slack when in a pressure situation with a 94 MPH fastball or wicked slider catching a corner. That’s a damn tough environment to work in, and getting a GB to the right side isn’t always going to be possible in those situations, even for the league MVP.

My personal head-banger is a manager calling bunt when there’s a man on 2nd, no outs. My choice for the stupidest conventional wisdom in baseball, and way too many managers default to that too often.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 10, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Especially

when they don’t even score after wasting an out to get the runner over.

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 10, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watching Game 7 2006 NLCS

and it just puts a smile on my face knowing how it finishes. Wainwright’s hook. What a pitch, what a game. Though this team was not as good as 04 or 05, they were fun to watch. I watched the game alone in my nyc apartment afraid to venture into a bar and watch it with nym fans.

by njnick on Jan 10, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

waching it too

i didn’t realize how quickly much our lineup had changed

starting 9 that day

P Suppan
C Molina
1B Pujols
2B Belliard
3B Rolen
SS Eckstein
LF Wilson
CF Edmonds
RF Encarnacion

I'd rather my sister be a prostitute than my brother a Cub fan.

by _pistol_ on Jan 10, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I said it when I watched it live

and I’ll say it again.
That’s a big FUCKIN pitch.
AW has balls, and needless to say I was drunk for that inning in 06 and preceded to go out and get even more drunk to celebrate.
BTW I still dislike Endy Chavez for that catch

by cyko42 on Jan 10, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Under Category of Most Frustrating

for me, has to be the inability of some of the Redbird pitchers, the inning after the offense puts runs on the board.

by Beardsville Rockers on Jan 10, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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