Don't blame the bullpen, blame the offense
A few weeks back, I did a study where I looked at the bullpen through the lens of WPA and came up with a few conclusions. Izzy was absolutely brutal, to the tune of about 3 games in the standings; Franklin was just fine as long as he wasn’t trying to close games (and he wasn’t that bad compared to the alternatives); the two main lefties put a lot of runners on base, but Villone got away with it for the most part; and, a few other things. It also made me curious as to how our hitters did in similar situations, how the opposing relievers did against our guys.
The 2008 Redbirds started out hot; the day after Albert came scampering home from 2nd on Ankiel’s grounder, the Cardinals were 22-12, 10 games over .500. Unfortunately we suffered through a 2-8 slide immediately afterward, starting a chain of alternating good and maddening play. This was punctuated with the now infamous 7/12 T.E.S.S. game, an utter failure by the bullpen that took an 11-run offensive outburst against the Pirates & turned it into one of the most humiliating defeats I can remember.
But the Cardinals won the following day and came out of the All-Star Break with a satisfying 4-game sweep of the pathetic Padres, topped off with the highly-improbable walk-off grand slam by Aaron Miles. This was a rather important moment in the 2008 season: it was their 100th game, a nice round number to work with; the team was 14 games aboveboard, their highest mark on the year; and it was basically the moment where the bullpen stopped being the whipping boy and it was handed to the offense, namely in save-type situations.
The first half of the campaign was dotted with contributions from many of the position players. Schumaker had walk-off hits against the Astros, Cubs, & Rays; Ludwick won the VEB-Meet-&-Greet game versus the Rays with an extra-inning bomb; Duncan won a game with the Phillies by taking advantage of their awful defense at 1st; Glaus homers off the Mets to win it; Ankiel singles in two against the hated Cubs for the biggest WPA impact of the year (+0.727); & the aforementioned GS by Mini-Me. Of course, many of these were necessitated by (and several others were negated by) the bunglings of the bullpen.
The comparison that I want to do here is to look at the bullpen numbers in Save and/or “Pressure” situations (qualify for save or game tied or down by one) and put that up against our position players, or, more precisely, the opposition’s relievers. I don’t want to bother with posting the numbers in table format, but here are the grand totals:
- STL Bullpen before-(and-including)-Miles’-Grand-Slam (BMGS): -3.186 WPA
- STL Offense v Opp. Bullpen BMGS: +2.902 WPA
Now there is a bit of a symbiotic relationship between these two numbers. If the bullpen doesn’t blow as many chances as they did, the offense doesn’t get as many opportunities to save the day; if the position players don’t perform as well as they did, hitting game-tying and go-ahead hits, the relievers’ mistakes don’t have as much impact. But it is fairly obvious who was doing their job & who wasn’t.
Quick highlights:
- Best 3 hitters: Glaus (+1.424), Pujols (+1.058), Ludwick (+.780). There were quite a few impact players BMGS - Miles (+.676), Skippy (+.461), & Mather (+.345 in 8 PA’s).
- Worst 3 hitters: Ankiel (-.839), Stavinoha (-.409 in 8 PA’s), LaRue (-.375). Ankiel was actually worse than the pitchers (-.462 combined, in a lot fewer PA’s), despite having the best play of the year and basically getting all of the credit for Pujols’ mad dash against the Rockies (a difference of roughly +.400).
- Lots of impact hits - 7 players had at least four RBI that either tied the game or put the Cardinals ahead (team total 42, Glaus 8, Ankiel/Luddy/Miles 5 each, Duncan/Pujols/Skip 4 each). Compare that to the bullpen, which allowed 48 decisive hits in the same period (led by Izzy’s 12)
- Best 3 pitchers: Franklin (+1.777), Springer (+.662), McClellan (+.366); the only three to post positive WPA value.
- Worst 3 pitchers: Isringhausen (-2.723), Flores (-.859), Parisi (-.772). Plenty of blame to go around - Thompson (-.739), Perez (-.456), Mulder (-.374).
- Pitchers were allowing runs at a rate of over six per 9 innings and a WHIP of nearly 1.7
Something that I noticed with our bullpen & the opposition was that, as bad as our guys looked, the other team was nearly as bad, thanks to the game-saving heroics of the offense. If you combine Saves & Holds and compare that to the Blown Saves, the Cardinals converted 80.5% of their opportunities BMGS; our opponents - 81.0%. I think the biggest contributing factor to this whole mess was that St. Louis just played a lot of close games and they weren’t well equipped to handle that from the back end of the bullpen.
Now we come to the Milwaukee series that followed, a 4-game sweep by the Brewers that exposed both sides of our late-inning game. Franklin coughs up 3 runs in the 10th, McClellan allows a 9th inning, 2-out HR to Bill Hall, Sabathia shuts them down, & Franklin surrenders the 2-run shot to Braun; all the while the offense can’t put up more than 3 runs in any game and has just the game-tying Sac Fly by Skip in the opener as the only tally against Milwaukee’s bullpen. The late inning antics on both sides cost the team at least a half game each in the standings (bullpen -1.005, offense -.626).
From the start of that series through the end of the season (AMGS), the bullpen rights the ship and stops hurting the team, posting a WPA of -.011 (and that includes the MIL debacle). The offense staggers the rest of the way, reversing their success from the first half with a -3.098 showing.
Before I go through the lowlights, I wanted to bring up a statement that Tony LaRussa made during the 2nd half of the season. I don’t remember precisely when it happened, but I think it occurred after the bullpen had blown another game in the later innings & TLR countered by blaming the offense for the loss. We had seen many examples of the bullpen’s follies & the batting exploits of Albert & Co., and many of us blew off his comment as mere spin-doctoring. But I think that, after looking at these numbers, he might have been more right than we gave him credit for.
Now for the particulars:
- Best 3 hitters: Brendan Ryan (that’s right folks; +.545), Glaus (+.466), LaRue (+.344). Pujols led the way with 4 impact runs driven in, but only a +.203 WPA & twice as many outs as times on base.
- Worst 3 hitters: Miles (-.789), Ankiel (-.707; reached base twice, created 19 outs), Schumaker (-.617). You want more? Mather (-.490), Izturis (-.481), Stavinoha (-.380), Molina (-.343), Ludwick (-.260).
- The offense went from scoring at 5.4 runs/9IP in pressure situations against the bullpen to 3.6 runs/9IP, with only 12 impact runs over the final 62 games. The bullpen improved from 6.1 R/9 to 4.3 R/9 and only 19 decisive tallies the rest of the way.
- Something to keep in mind - over the entire season, Ludwick reached base 39 times compared to creating 64 outs; of those, 29 came via the strikeout. Others guilty of the same - Ankiel (66 outs, 28 K), Barton (12/8), Mather (18/8), Stavinoha (14/7), plus Lopez & Washington.
- Best 3 pitchers: Thompson (another shocker; +.499), Garcia (+.434), Motte (+.383). To be honest, these guys had limited exposure and only combined for 48 outs.
- Worst 3 pitchers: McClellan (-.669), Franklin (-.396), Izzy (-.307). Nearly a complete reversal of the best 3 BMGS (Springer was 4th at -.253); this appears to be a matter of mis-/over-use.
- Taking another look at the problem from the perspective of Saves/Holds, our offense only forced 3 blown saves over the final 62 games (compared to 15 in the first 100). Our bullpen converted Saves/Holds at 86.9%, better than the league average.
I think we can safely say that Tony was rather correct in criticizing the offense for their poor play over the final 10 weeks. They were as much or maybe more to blame AMGS than our bullpen BMGS.
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now wait one second
i watched those games and i saw the bullpen blow those games so i know thats what it was, not the offense
numbers are overrated
(tounge in cheek)
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 1, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Some things I’ve gathered from it…
Glaus is pretty hidden under Albert and Luddy’s ’08 performance.
Rick has pressure issues, was a standing joke during game threads but gets more clear when you look at the season as a whole.
Iz and Flores hurt, badly. Parisi gets nailed for being the 13th inning throw away man.
Surprising how well the BP did in this when KMac, Springer and Franklin all went 2nd half sour.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 1, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because we got Motte, Kinney and Perez while getting rid of Izzy and Flores
by vivaelpujols on Jan 1, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinney
Actually, Kinney was never used in a pressure situation in 2008. He only worked mop-up innings. (Part of that was probably because there were enough auditions going on for the tight spots already; part of it was probably the limited number of opportunities over the last three weeks.)
That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.
by Solanus on Jan 1, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and I was being a little sarcastic, sorry it didn’t come across
addition via substraction.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 2, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so you're saying
that we weren’t very clutch?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 1, 2009 11:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
After the first 7000,
any additional blown saves are meaningless.
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by thegodfather on Jan 2, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
best like i’ve read in a while
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 2, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
line*
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 2, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean
that the first closing combo of Izzy and Franklin was awful, but the second combo of Perez and Franklin was decent if not good? Which means that throwing Motte and Kinney into the mix would only make it better? Which also means that we should be just fine using our in house options to close next year?
I think it does.
Also, I think that we should buy Rick Ankiel some horse blinders and ear plugs. That way he won’t know what inning it is, or the score, or if all the fans just groaned because he stuck out again.
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by thegodfather on Jan 2, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Getting Ankiel...
…a new oblique may help too.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
via the stats above, he actually did worse when there was no hernia woes. scary isn’t it?
in his little way he still is jeckel and hyde,
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 2, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he needs a clutch shot as well
Do they sell that at Walgreens?
by bearcatcardfan on Jan 9, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll find out.
TLR was discussing the danger of throwing Motte or Perez into the closer’s role too soon on 1380 today, so it definitely isn’t his preference. I don’t think that Mo is going to find any sure-fire option for closing at this point, so it is probably going to be trial-by-fire for the youngsters.
I’m afraid your point on Ankiel is right, as well. Unfortunately, I don’t think that he is ever going to learn to handle the pressures of being a top-tier MLB player. It’s a shame that a player with so much natural talent seems to struggle with the mental part of the game. I’ll be interested to see how it plays out this year. It definitely felt as though he was a detriment to the team in close games.
by etp_stl on Jan 3, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ank
would make a very powerful #7 hitter
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 3, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but I am not sure it is a good idea to put him in a position where he won’t see many strikes.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 3, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
he’ll be better next year regardless
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I’m not trying to be contrary, but this kid has had issues with confidence and pressure his entire major league career. Why will he suddenly be better next year? I know another year of seeing major league pitching should help, but what if he has trouble learning to adapt to the adjustments pitchers are making towards him. He seems to have trouble centering good fastballs, and he doesn’t do well in clutch positions. His defense has been better than could be expected, and I think that he works hard, but I don’t know how you can guarantee that he will be better next year.
by etp_stl on Jan 4, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
because it won’t be hard to be better than that in high pressure situations… he was playing injured too much last year too, so that lowers the stats
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whatever you do man, DO NOT show this to Tony
he’ll be on MO’s ass to sign Manny and Dunn & won’t shut up till he gets his way. he’s been bitching about getting Albert some protection for years now, i can’t even imagine how bad he’ll be if he saw this.
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by gdm426 on Jan 2, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We should sign Manny
Then trade Luddy for a starter and another OF for a LOOGY
by vivaelpujols on Jan 2, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im in 100 percent agreement with you
by eburn40oz on Jan 3, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would too
No it’ll never happen, and yes we’re a team with a self imposed cap, so I wouldn’t even come close to being ok with it in real terms.
But I’d want Manny and Dunn too. Hell, put Luddy at 2nd for all I care. Can you see it?
Raz
Luddy
El Hombre
Manny
Glaus
Dunn
Greene
Pitcher
Molina
Yes we’d lead the league in K’s, but also walks, and probably SLG.
Would any pitcher seriously want to face that? It’ll cost us 150 million payroll and we could probably add in Sheets and still be under that number. Both guys you can get for two years so when Albert is due for a raise the big chips are done and gone, and if that doesn’t sell tickets I don’t know what would.
Yeah I’m being a little sarcastic, but in a way serious. That’s one hell of a lineup, even with defense included. Using baseball musings lineup tool that’s almost 6 runs/game (damn near 1k a season). That’s with Greene’s ugly numbers from last year and a real pessimistic projection on Raz.
No we won’t get it, but he’s not exactly stupid for wanting it.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 4, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
poor Raz
I think his legs would be shot by June…Dunn and Manny just can’t have that much range.
I would still go for it though.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 4, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An outfield of Dunn AND Rameriz made smile.
I bring up a mental picture of Dunn, and well, I’m thinking at least he LOOKS like he knows what he’s supposed to do, even if he can’t do it, or lumbers around out there trying to do it.
Then I can see Manny. Every time a ball is hit to him, he has this reaction like, oh, yeah. Here comes the baseball, um, gee, what do I do now? And the ball skips passed him, or flies over his head, bounces off of his foot, or he kicks it to the 3rd baseman.
Dunn looks like a gold glover when compared to Manny. That’s pretty scary….
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jan 4, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An outfield of Dunn AND Rameriz made "me" smile
is what I meant to say. What a dolt……
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jan 4, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not entirely sure that Manny knows what a baseball really is
He just knows he’s really good at hitting them and that for some f’ed up reason he periodically has to chase after one. “I mean seriously, don’t they just chase themselves or something? Or couldn’t those stupid hitters just hit the ball over the fence like I do!”
I’m also not sure Manny realizes that Boras got him traded last year. He thinks he spent the whole season playing for that Blue, er, Red Sockings team in that old place that has a big green wall for some damn reason. He was probably confused why their stadium had no big green wall anymore or why he was wearing a different uniform and number or why Dice-J Matsutoyota was now on the DL and was somehow the closer when he did pitch or why Fenwick Field now had a whole bunch of decks…but who cares. It’s Manny’s world, and we’re just living in it!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you should have seen his face when he realized how close he was to the beach
priceless
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by gdm426 on Jan 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we play 2 LF?
We’ll just let Raz cover everything from dead center over, and the pitchers will have distinct instructions to only allow the ball to be hit to RF & RCF.
by etp_stl on Jan 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An added bonus is that it’s a surefire way for Raz to end up on the All-Star game. You have to look awesome between those two by design.
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by AdjustedExpectations on Jan 4, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4 outfielders and no secondbaseman
OK by me.
by Hal Lanier's Pants on Jan 5, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you are going to go 5 blades
just put albert at second and move dunn to first, OF of manny/colby/Luddy (might have the first outfield ever with 3 -y nicknames).
Rick/Colby/Luddy with Mather or Freese or Craig at second might be a decent approximation without breaking the bank. Only one guy out of position, the outfield and non-2B defense would be outstanding, and the team might hit 300 home runs.
still cannot accept that Rachael was Chani.
by SleepyCA on Jan 5, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I’m going to blame the pen. Thanks anyways.
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by SoonerfanTU on Jan 5, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's much easier
Just to blame the ’pen.
And Adam Kennedy.
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by thegodfather on Jan 5, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
the ’pen was not good last year, but they had to pick up some slack from the starting rotation… the offense coulda done better, but we were at the top of the league. perhaps we will be even more effective, since we had bad luck in clutch situations it looks like
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think the un-clutchness of the offense was a big problem. That combined with the un-clutchness of the ’pen meant that we watched the Phillies in October.
Un-clutch? Anti-clutch? Non-clutch? In-clutch?
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by thegodfather on Jan 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clutchless?
It’s like clueless except you have a bat in your hand with men on base in a tight situation.
I think it is pretty amazing that TLR would blame the offense when it was probably the only strength of the team. A lot of the final 62 game stuff was due to Ank playing hurt, Kennedy and Miles in the OF, etc. plus we just had too many hitters like Molina, Kennedy, Miles, Schumaker, and Izturis that just weren’t very dangerous. Some of that was injuries and some of it was TLR being a jackass.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jan 6, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schu, Yadi and Miles were all very consitant throught the season
Schu got on base at a high clip in front of Luddy, Pujols, Glaus and Ank which is EXACTLY what you want from a lead off hitter. Yadi had an .860 ops with runners on base and an .847 ops with runners in scoring position. Since he spent most of his time hitting 6th or 7th, he came to bat a lot in those situations and was productive in a very tangible way with 56 RBI’s. Aaron Miles as a starter had a very solid .773 ops.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Consistent
doesn’t mean dangerous. They are all low or no power type guys.
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by thegodfather on Jan 6, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm reading it wrong
but didn’t Solanus point out that MIles, Schumaker, Izturis, Molina, and the injured Ankiel were prime underachievers during the 62 game stretch? Miles and Skippy were good in the first 100 games, but sucked weinies during the part of the season we are actually talking about.
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by giveml on Jan 7, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's it!
Clutchless, like an automatic car. Clutchless, like the Cubs in October. Clutchless, like Rick Ankiel. Very good!
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by thegodfather on Jan 6, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still like to just point my finger at the Pirates and say
“you are a bad bunch of Pirates, you are”
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
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