Pujols and the Pen
I know, late post this morning. Sorry. My first thought after looking at the boxscore from last night’s game was, "Oh shit, Franklin…here we go!" But Perez had pitched in 3 of the last 4 games and may have needed a night off or two. I’m normally on the side of sticking the guy right back out there whenever he blows a save – particularly a younger pitcher (less time to think about it) – but it’s reasonable to believe he could use a day off. Besides, if Perez was really losing his status as the team’s non-closer closer, I cannot believe that Tony would go back to Franklin. I know Perez has blown two in a row, but Franklin’s been awful of late and, in fact, pitched MUCH worse than Perez did Friday night. No, I really do believe that it is just that – a night off. Besides, Perez has already thrown more than 60 innings this year – a career high. He may be tiring a little.
While we’re on the subject, the bullpen hasn’t exactly pitched wonderfully of late. If not Perez, who would Tony turn to? Here are the relievers FIP’s in August and September:
| August | September | |
|---|---|---|
| Perez | 1.81 | 6.10 |
| Thompson | 2.96 | 3.10 |
| McClellan | 3.20 | 11.60 |
| Franklin | 4.28 | 3.77 |
| Springer | 4.54 | 3.70 |
| Villone | 7.72 | 9.10 |
Not exactly great numbers, eh? I didn’t include Motte or Carpenter or Flores for September due to the paucity of numbers (though it is pretty cool to see Motte’s NEGATIVE 0.50 FIP!). Still, Motte’s not going to be the closer for the last 3 weeks or so. It’s not like anyone has exactly staked their claim to taking the job from Perez. The young guys appear to be tiring a little, and maybe the old guys too (Springer). Franklin’s just not good and Villone isn’t either. I think there’s still a lot to like in the pen for next year and down the road w/ the young guys – Perez, McClellan, and Motte. Franklin can be a decent middle guy, though he’s paid far too much ($2.5 M) next year for that sort of role. Thompson’s an OK guy to have around – eat innings, emergency starter, pitch the 6th when our starter can’t make it past the 5th. We could do worse, but the left side has to get better.
How about that Pujols character? If he’s not the MVP – and since we’re out of it I don’t think he will be – it will be a profound disgrace. Did anyone notice that his homer last night was #31? Not bad for an off season where pitchers seem to pitch to him less and less. He’s up to 93 RBI. Some of us thought that, since he’s been pitched around so frequently, he might not make it to 100. Barring injury, he’ll get there.
More stuff on Pujols. As of about 3 weeks ago, it appeared as though his streak of leading the team in HR’s was in jeopardy. He’s led the team in homers every season he’s been in the big leagues. Think about that for a moment – he’s been on teams w/ McGwire, Rolen and Edmonds several time, and Ludwick in a career year. He’s really not seen as a power hitter, either. He hits a lot of homers but I think of him more as a great hitter w/ power – more like Manny Ramirez than David Ortiz. More like Chase Utley than Ryan Howard. More like Lance Berkman than Carlos Lee.
Still, he’s led the Cardinals in homers each year of his first seven but it appeared as though this year his streak would come to an end. I, actually, thought that was a good thing b/c it spoke to what a great season Ludwick was having. Now he sits at 31 and Ludwick is just one ahead of him. Who’re you putting your money on? As good as Ludwick’s been this season, I’m going w/ #5.
Pujols has also led the team in batting average in each of his first 7 seasons – a streak that will continue this year as well. He’s led the team in slugging % every year as well. Interestingly, in 2002, his .561 tied w/ Edmonds AND Rolen (though Rolen only had 205 Cardinal ABs.) Still, all 3 of them exactly at .561? He’s led the team in OBP every year since 2004. Edmonds led in 2004, 2002, and 2001. He’s led the team in doubles every year but 2006 (Rolen) and is 3 ahead of Ludwick this year.
This year he’s sitting at 93 BBs and 47 Ks. One more walk and his BB/K ratio will be exactly 2:1. It’s far and away the best ratio in the majors. Did you know he led the majors in that category in 2006 and 2007? This year will make three in a row. Luis Castillo in 2005 was the last person to have a ratio as high as 2:1. Needless to say, it’s been some time since a guy who hits 30+ homers has finished w/ a Dimaggio-like ratio like this. Best player in the game? Can there be any doubt?
MVP? Can there be any doubt? The problem is that too many voters look only at RBI and their team’s wins and, in those 2 categories, Pujols will come up short. Voters need to remember that this team was in the race for the better part of 5 months. We’re still not eliminated, for crying out loud! We are 6 back of the Brewers and fading but most of the "fading" has come b/c of the Brewers surging. We haven’t played our best baseball of late but the Brewers have absolutely taken off and pulled away from us. The reason we’ve been close the entire season – when no one expected that we would be – is b/c of Pujols.
Yes, Ludwick’s been great. Lohse has been tremendous. Wellemeyer’s been a great surprise but, if Pujols was an average NL 1B – think Conor Jackson (yes, I know he’s been in LF for a good chunk of the season) or James Loney, – this team would probably be a .500 team – maybe a couple games over .500. This team’s been in contention b/c of Albert Pujols – that’s the very definition of valuable. BP has him at 11.6 WARP this year. He’s been 5 wins better than Derrek Lee! And that’s w/ 3 weeks or so left in the season. He’ll be near 13 WARP when the season ends. It would be a travesty for the MVP voters not to recognize what he’s accomplished this year.
Can you imagine Pujols going down in history as one of the least-recognized, greatest players in history? Fifteen years from now, it’s conceivable that people will be saying, as Albert’s name comes up on the Hall of Fame ballot, that he only won 1 MVP! The voters at the time only thought he was the best player in his league ONCE! Imagine that! Am I biased? I am. But I don’t have to be biased to praise Pujols’ accomplishments and the voters should recognize them as well.
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+1 on the Perez stuff.....
Kid just needed a night off.
by SoonerfanTU on Sep 7, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll win.
It’s not all about wins. Ryan Howard won in 2006 over Albert and the Phillies didn’t even make the playoffs. We did slightly better that year. I will never understand that years decision.
by Shadybird on Sep 7, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP-wise, Albert will never get his due
because the elitist media favors more high-profile Eastern teams and their players. If Albert played for the Yankees, one can only imagine what a national "star"he would be.
by ccthemovieman on Sep 7, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
joining a list of Redbirds
Hornsby, Musial (to some extent), Gibson who also never get deserved recognition. I mean, Rogers Hornsby has to THE most overlooked ball player in history.
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by gocards62 on Sep 7, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
His numbers are simply remarkable!
by nmstar on Sep 7, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that last bit really brings it home
"The voters at the time only thought he was the best player in his league ONCE! "
Of course, we won’t be having any Jim Rice-type debates about Albert; if he decided to retire at 10 years and a day he’d make it first ballot. but it’s not fair to our grandchildren to recognize mediocre or ephemerally-good players like Howard and Rollins over Albert. They will never know how good he is unless he is properly recognized by pundits in our time.
Please, sportswriters, make albert MVP! Won’t you think of the children!
Anyway, given those numbers, why isn’t thompson getting more playing time? Also, is there a site that publishes FIP by month splits? I’m too lazy to do it on a sunday morning.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Sep 7, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, please, do it for the children!
It will be, as HC said, a disgrace, but I fully expect Albert to be overlooked for MVP yet again. Maybe a Gold Glove this year, but who knows?
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 7, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is,
many of the head-up-the-you-know-where writers do accept Pujols as the best player in the National League, or even all of baseball (although there’s still room for A-Rod in that conversation). The cognitive dissonance is their inability to get from “best” through “does most to help their team win” to “most valuable.” Put that way, it looks like a no-brainer, doesn’t it? So the conclusion about the writers is obvious…
by StanTheManFan on Sep 7, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the definition of MVP fluctuates
Pujols lost it to Howard in 2006 even though albert was more valuable to his team, had the better season, AND made it to the playoffs, while Howard did not make it to the playoffs but hit a couple more meaningless home runs. Therefore Albert should be eligible to win at least one MVP when his team didn’t make it to the playoffs…
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Sep 7, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Howard’s team had a better winning percentage, even though they didn’t make it to the post season — not that that is a particularly good (or even anything other than particularly bad) criterion for MVP voting.
by StanTheManFan on Sep 7, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...the conclusion about the writers is obvious…"

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by iron duke75 on Sep 7, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found it through fangraphs
sort by major league leaders and then by month, then sort by team and it’ll group all the team’s players together.
by chuckb on Sep 7, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are all lucky
to see El Hombre play on a daily basis. A couple more years similar to this and he without a doubt in the top four Cardinals of all time. He may end up as the greatest. Add in his defense and base running and he truly does whatever it takes to win games.
by nmstar on Sep 7, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols is hugely taken for granted
and it will be a travesty if he continues to produce like he has and ends with only 1 MVP
that said the raw # of MVPs don’t seem a big deal, especially regarding the HOF
only Bonds has more than 3. Of the usual suspects in the debate of “who is the greatest player ever?”, only Bonds, Mantle, and Dimaggio have more than 2 MVPs
Dale Murphy, Joe Morgan and Roger Maris have the same number (2) as Lou Gehrig, Ted Williams, Rogers Hornsby, Willie Mays, and Frank Robinson AND more than Babe Ruth, Paul Waner, and Hank Aaron with who APu is tied with 1.
Hopefully Pujols will win the silver slugger and gold glove for first base this year. getting the voters to stop thinking (wrongly) he is a defensive liability will help him win the MVP next season as he leads us back to the WS.
by vances law on Sep 7, 2008 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bonds
Was Bonds deserving of those MVPs? I mean, just to leave steroids out of it. Did the numbers support it, truly? It’s hard enough boning up on the unwritten rules of the GOB, if the criteria for MVP are even more ephemeral.
Maybe we should start a writing campaign to those voters. Just list the raw numbers. Heck, don’t even put Albert’s name at the bottom. Make ‘em look up who they’re voting for.
- Y.2.2
by Yadi2Second on Sep 7, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABSOLUTELY they do.
Just go look at his lines in baseball-reference.com. His performance in his peak years was just unbelievable … too good to be true.
In more ways than one.
by StanTheManFan on Sep 7, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
I see! (There was a period there when I wasn’t paying attention to baseball … I know, I know… so I missed some of that.)
Then my next question is, why is playoff contention so heavily weighted? Or, what does a guy have to do to “overcome” not making it to post-season play? For legal values of “do”.
- Y.2.2
by Yadi2Second on Sep 7, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't sell Morgan short.
He may be an idiot as an announcer, but he was a great, great player.
by StanTheManFan on Sep 7, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're sure right there
I could blather for a long time about many different parts of his game that were so excellent…kind of like Pujols in that. Morgan was unbelievable on the basepaths. Man most likely to go first-to-third on anything
Wish he had never become an announcer.
by random on Sep 7, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm having flashbacks of Herzog
claiming Darrell Porter was the best player in the league at going first-to-third……
Morgan was a great ballplayer. granted. “great, great”? I’d say no.
Make a list of the best 100 players of all-time. Where does joe morgan fall?
The guys I was comparing him too to make the point are all in top 20 in my opinion "Lou Gehrig, Ted Williams, Rogers Hornsby, Willie Mays, and Frank Robinson …………..Babe Ruth, Paul Waner, and Hank Aaron "
by vances law on Sep 7, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't make this list
but this guy did, and he seems to know a thing or two about the history of the game. I knew Morgan was a great 2B, but even I was surprised to see him at #15.
Of course this list is probably quite a few years old, cuz look who is at 16.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta wonder
by what criteria James ranked Morgan above Hornsby. Hornsby had almost 50 points of career OPS+ on morgan.
And bonds should have been #1.
But Morgan is easily in the top 25 or so of all-time position players, which is pretty great.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Sep 7, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that list was made before the 2001 season
which would explain the Bonds thing a bit.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 7, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an interesting list
egg on my face? eh
maybe the night watchman has a subjective side too
Morgan alot higher than I’d put him, obviously
here’s a couple of less subjective lists…………..
B-Ref list by “hall of fame career standards” has morgan 49
Ruth 1, Mays 3, Hornsby 6, Aaron 8, Ted Williams 10, Gehrig 12, Frank Robinson 17, Big Poison 27
Ok so waner didn’t crack the top 20 but his nickname alone is worth 7 spots ;-)
other 2Bs ranked higher than Morgan: Frisch 32, Biggio 43, Roberto Alomar 44
Morgan’s overall career top comp and most similar by age for ages 31-38 is Lou Whitaker and for 39-40 its Biggio. I think those are more reasonable comparisons than Hornsby whose top career comp is Al Simmons and whose most similar by age for ages 29-35 was Stan the Man. That’d be a nice upgrade at 2B, huh?
on career OPS+ Morgan ranks tied for 128th with Jose Canseco, Jim Edmonds, Juan Gonzalez, Rico Carty, among others
Waner let me down again just tied for 111 with Al Kaline, Ducky Medwick, Boog Powell, Bobby Abreu and others
but 1-5 are ruth, williams, bonds, gehrig, and hornsby. Mays at 19, Aaron at 22, F Rob at 26
APu tied for 7th………..great hitters like great artists are only appreciated after they retire, die, or become Yankees
by vances law on Sep 7, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pujols doesn't win MVP this year
we all have to do our best to spread the word and devalue the MVP title
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 7, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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