Closing Time
by the red baron on Sep 6, 2008 8:33 AM EDT
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I'm in an awful hurry this morning; I'm supposed to attend the BMW Championship today, and I needed to get my happy ass up out of bed much earlier than I did. Therefore, this will be somewhat abbreviated.
I have to say, first off, the pitch that Jacobs hit out didn't look like all that bad of a pitch to me. It was down, it was away, and it was just a very nice piece of hitting to put that kind of a swing on it. Was it an absolutely perfect pitch? Probably not. It may have caught a bit more of the plate than what you would like to see in that situation, but it wasn't a hanging slider, it wasn't a belt high meatball, or anything like that. Sometimes you just get beaten.
Still, that's two in a row for Perez, and I think it's fair to be a little bit concerned at this point. Perez looked ridiculously good when he threw against the Diamondbacks in the second game of that series, then looked less than impressive the next day. Last night, he still looked good to me, but he did give up a game tying home run. Never mind how good of a pitch it was, I wouldn't think anyone was out of line for questioning whether or not this is the guy that we want to go to war with next season.
For me, the answer to that question is still yes. I think Perez absolutely has the stuff to close, and I think he certainly has the mentality. He didn't look tentative last night, in his first appearance since blowing the save in the desert, nor did he run and hide after the dinger, coming back to strikeout the next two batters. He seemed to show that short memory that you always hope to see out of a late inning reliever in that situation, not always necessarily a given with a young pitcher of his ilk, no matter how nasty the stuff he can toss up there.
For someone else, though, the answer could certainly be different, and while I might argue against it, I wouldn't dismiss the argument. Perez has still shown a propensity for occasional control problems, falling behind hitters much too often for a truly top notch closer. He's been much better this season in terms of walks than he was in previous years, but strike one still isn't in his repertoire quite as often as you would like to see.
Unfortunately for those of you in the camp that Perez simply isn't ready, or even that he isn't the long term solution period, there aren't a ton of really attractive candidates to bring in for the closer's role next season. Looking at the complete list of free agents for next year, the relief pitcher's area looks thin on the ground. Probably the most attractive candidate on the list would be everybody's favourite trade target this deadline season, Brian Fuentes. Other than him, Brandon Lyon, the DBacks' closer this year, will be a free agent, but he's been less than impressive. As Cardinal fans, we should all remember perfectly well what Kyle Farnsworth can do to a game; he doesn't seem like much of an option. Kerry Wood is set to be a FA after this season, but I'm pretty sure the Cubs are going to make a move to bring him back. Dan Wheeler could very well be out there, but he hasn't been lights out.
Of course, there is one name on the list that really would set the Cardinals up pretty well, and that's Francisco Rodriguez. That does bring into question, though, just how much are you willing to pay for a guy that throws one inning seventy times a year? K-Rod will most likely get the largest contract ever given to a closer this offseason, and he's widely considered by many to be a significant injury risk. It's certainly a nice thought, but I'm just not sure that Rodriguez is all that realistic.
Trade targets are not all that plentiful, either. Huston Street remains the biggest name on the market that should be available, but you have to be a bit concerned about the troubles he's had staying on the field. When healthy, Street is still as good as they come, but just how often is that going to be?
J.J. Putz of the Mariners could be another intriguing target. How badly does one of the worst teams in baseball need an elite closer? Seattle could very well be going into full scale fire sale mode, which would most likely involve dealing Putz. How much it would cost to bring him over, in terms of talent cost, though, is anybody's guess.
So there are most of your options. Outside of the pitchers above, you're mostly looking at second or even third tier guys, basically just guys you would bring in to try and hold down the fort for one season, at the most, until you have a better option available, whether that's Perez, Motte, or some other pitcher from outside the organisation. Not a particularly inspiring list, eh?
As I said earlier, Perez is still my guy. What do you guys think?
Oh, and also, just for fun, pursuant to Joe Strauss' recent invitation for people to bring suggestions for managerial/ pitching coach tandems to his next chat, let's do the same, shall we? I'm interested to see what sorts of candidates we like here at VEB.
See you later, guys. I'm off to the golf course.
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by Alxfritz on Sep 6, 2008 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too early to give Perez
thumbs up or thumbs down. Let’s finish out the month and see how he holds up before giving our two cents on him. I want to see more of Motte, too.
Last night was another example of what TLR’s been asking for: we another big bat in this lineup.,.,,,,a bat that can come through more when we did a run in the later innings. Boy, we don’t get too many clutch hits late in the game, do we?
by ccthemovieman on Sep 6, 2008 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we replace Ludwick?
Kennedy came through. Ludwick got screwbied once, but the second time was all him not coming through.
I think that good pitching beats good hitting. They pitched well last night and we pitched well until the 9th.
by stlfan on Sep 6, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young Pitcher is a rook
I say let him roll and see what happens. You’ve got Mott in your back pocket.
by sdrone on Sep 6, 2008 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
although by spring training next year
who knows what could happen?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Perez has to be the guy because the other options are just too expensive….
by CrimsonBirdFan on Sep 6, 2008 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What hurts me is that both of the young guns I was counting on to straighten out...
this mess of a bullpen for the stretch run where the ones to blow the lead and lose the game.
Can we still get Joe Nathan or even Putz?
Deal em’ Perez.
Hell I think I’m with Tony on this one lets get a proven shut down closer…
If we had one this year we would be leading the wild card if not in first place.
"Why does he keep saying that?"
by Red Blazer on Sep 6, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that it means anything
but Joe Nathan has blown 3 of his last 4 save opportunities.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Sep 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we started the season with a proven shut down closer
who was nearing 300 saves . . . .
by tom s. on Sep 6, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for manager/pitching coach tandems, how about
Ron Warner and …
Will Carroll?
I’m not entirely serious about that — pitchers would surely rebel at having a pitching coach who’d never been in the game — but it would sure be nice to find a way to get someone in the dugout who studies pitchers’ mechanics carefully and objectively.
by StanTheManFan on Sep 6, 2008 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the location of the pitch
You don’t see Yadi moving his glove until he hits the ground with it.
…and not that it mattered but Skip’s route looked a little odd on that play as well. He went by way of Edwardsville. He might want to download some new maps before tonights game.
by Harknights on Sep 6, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's stick with Young Pitcher,
that’s my vote. He’s a rook and these things happen to rookies. It’s part of the price you pay for having young players. I, for one, can live with that.
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 6, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perez in 09
CP is getting experience bouncing back from adversity this month. The collective bullpen pyche is pretty low right now with all the rookies hitting some rough spots the past few weeks. IMO we should give Kmac one or two more outings so he doesn’t go into the winter with thinking about the last few outings. CP is approaching 60 outings this year so he should be good for the rest of the month.
On another note, TLR may start BRyan or Miles in center. Matthew Leach has another quote for the records:
“[Center] is more demanding, so by definition, if all you’ve done is play the infield, it’s more than just chasing a ball down,” La Russa said. “You don’t have a foul line to protect you. But if you’re an athlete like Ryan, or even Miles — I’ve seen Miles take balls in center field, and he takes good breaks — I wouldn’t really hesitate.”
by ubeddie on Sep 6, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter that much?
I agree starting miles in center isn’t a very good use of his skills and blocks more promising outfielders’ playing time. But I wouldn’t mind seeing Ryan out there. The guy’s future is a utility/ role player; if he can play center competently, he is more valuable in that role.
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by Zubin on Sep 6, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems to me that TLR actually complimented brendan ryan.
Is this a first?
by tom s. on Sep 6, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check TLR's office
for a sticky green pod… ;-)
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by iron duke75 on Sep 6, 2008 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'd love to have someone a little more.....
uh…..established closing games next year, I too realize there aren’t many options. I still have faith that in time Perez will be very solid, but who knows how soon that’ll happen.
I still think there is a chance Izzy gets inked next year. Again, if healthy, the man saves 90+% of this chances. Will he be healthy next year after the surgery? I dunno.
by SoonerfanTU on Sep 6, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
better question is
does he still have the stuff to be effective? my guess is no
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PfX data tends to back this argument up. Especially regarding his curveball.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on Sep 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izzy will never be healthy again
he was playing on borrowed time with his reconstructed hip.
If he wants to play for $3 M, maybe. Anything more, they might as well just set fire to the money.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he having elbow surgery?
that would rule out a portion of next year, right?
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Sep 6, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be surprised if a team signs him unless he takes a HUGE pay cut
its more likely he will work out for teams in june or so and try to get a deal at that point.
or not, maybe. just speculatin’.
by adiueordie on Sep 6, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could be a great percival-style pickup...
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Sep 6, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ir he could be a guy that is breaking down
the hip condition isn’t going away. Isn’t there the slight possibility that the hip was leading him to alter his mechanics in a way that led to his elbow injury? Maybe he just had one good year left in him after the hip surgery.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 6, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez
Given our season is esentially over, the obvious best course of action is to let the kid play, take his lumps and learn.
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by Zubin on Sep 6, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposed shut down closers SVO-Saves
Nathan 36-42; Papelbon 35-39; Putz 11-19; Street 18-24; K-Rod 54-59 EVERY closer blows saves, there’s only one perfect closer this season, Brad Lidge, remember him? I am willing to let a rookie have a couple do overs. Remember when Izzy was a shutdown closer? Last season Izzy was 32-34, Borowski was 45-53; K-Rod blew 6 saves. Lidge was only 19-27 this year he is perfect. Let the kid get his chance, this team cannot afford to go sign a “shut down” closer to big money when we have him for close to nothing.
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by showmejoe on Sep 6, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dream manager/pitching coach tandem.....
None other than Mr. Ted Simmons for manager; and a promotion from within for Mr. Brent Strom. That’s the ticket. Simmons/Strom……both are highly intelligent, know all of the old stuff while being able to see how things can be different with a new approach.
I came across a fascinating article about Strom, natural pitching mechanics, personal pitching styles, and rhythm. One of the first things he asks a minor league pitcher is if he can dance-which is not really a stupid question if you think about it. Pitchers have to have rhythm and flow and natural movement if they are going to be able to repeat their delivery. I think he might be onto something, and I would prefer the next pitching coach be someone who actually pitched before.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Sep 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no to izzy
don’t bring him back…putz would be interesting. no way to k-rod-someone else can have that contract
cards needs:
1)front office to do something in offseason, preferably addressing:
2)bullpen—30 blown saves anyone???
3)frontline starter
4)let lohse go.. keep looper if reasonable..what to do w/pinata?
5)consistent bat…. card offense is good but no consistency outside albert
***decent MIF who can hit…… really dont like o-hud
by 07saluki on Sep 6, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree keep Looper
If he will take a $4-5 mil 2 yr deal. Lohse is a projected Type A FA so let him walk. I say let Perez take every save opp if available so we can get a better idea of his talent (I say he is the best option). Put Pinata in a package deal that can bring in the MIF we are all clammering for. The Marlins may have the flexibility to shop him this off season. I know he isn’t consistent, but another 25+ HR hitter can’t be a bad thing, can it?
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by showmejoe on Sep 6, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubt if anyone will want pinata
maybe thompson will beat him out in spring training next year
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone will take him...
… but only if we eat all of his salary. Pineiro still has some depth value, esp. when we’ve got three injury concerns (Carp, Waino, Welly) in the rotation.
by kindred on Sep 6, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’s why I wouldn’t mind re-signing looper as well, to protect against those injury concerns. depth at starting pitching is one of the things that made us able to stay in the race this year.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Hardcore will get a kick out of this
Not sure if it was mentioned in the game thread yesterday. But Lou Piniella got lost yesterday driving to Cincinnati.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Sep 6, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i heard that last night
i can only imagine how pissed he was, screaming at his gps.
6 losses in a row, right? and we’re 1-5. way to blow an opportunity.
by adiueordie on Sep 6, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sad to think we could be be 4 games out of the division lead
gonna go sob a bit
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 6, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The mariners
need some young outfielders who can play defense in addition to offense, desperately. It’s possible that putz could be had for something headlined by schu or mather, and probably not much else because of his injury history. That said, I don’t think he’s healthy for the long term and he’s really only been a good closer for two seasons with the rest of his career spent as a middling MR. If he could be had that cheaply I’d take him, but I prefer Perez.
By the way has perez been having some control issues? I didn’t see the first BS or the last few games, but his slider really seemed to jump from insanely good to mediocre backup crap a few times last night.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on Sep 6, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perez has always had control issues.
They come and go.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Sep 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep Perez...
… he’ll be fine. and if he’s not, then we can get Motte a chance. and if he sucks, we can give Mac a chance. and if he sucks we can give the job back to Franklin.
as for manager/pitching coach… i’ll go with TLR/Dunc for one more year. after that, i don’t really care.
by kindred on Sep 6, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
we could do a hell of a lot worse than just going with TLR/duncan for another season
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like TLR and Duncan
but part of me hopes they both walk away. 13 years is starting to wear on my nerves.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 6, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about looper?
Could he go back to being a closer? I know he didn’t have a ton of success as a Met (blew 8 of 36 in ‘05) but he’s improved as a pitcher since then, I think.
the ******* plane has crashed into the mountain.
by SleepyCA on Sep 6, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's possible
or maybe Welley
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't follow the reasoning
behind golden shoulders being a closer. people bring it up a lot. he has three saves in his career. one in 03, 05, and 06. nine holds to go with that. he doesn’t seem to have much experience as a late inning guy when he was a reliever.
by adiueordie on Sep 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously he's best as a starter, if he can cut it
not sure how pitching a full year as a starter will affect him
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a link or anything
But I recall Looper saying once he moved to the rotation he would not move back to the pen
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by showmejoe on Sep 6, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
said
if possible, he wanted to finish as a starter
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by sportsman on Sep 6, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been doing a decent job of it too
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though he started as a finisher
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes he wants to be a starter from here on out
read his comments in this article in today’s Dispatch.
i agree with most, keep YP as the closer. use this last month as a learning experience & hope he figures it out for the next 10+ seasons.
FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i can’t really think of anyone i’d rather have running the Birds than Tony & Dave. but if i could make them perfect, i’d have them change some of the things they do, like Dave forcing fireballers to PTC, and Tony playing terrible MI’s in the OF. and his horrid use or lack thereof of young players. and of course get rid of his man crush on Mini Me. CF? seriously Tony? OK, if you didn’t know it before, you damn sure know it now he has a problem when it comes to Aaron F’ing Miles.
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by gdm426 on Sep 6, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
brendan ryan or aaron miles in center field tonight! never thought it would come to that a couple of months ago
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope that next season
this kinda stuff doesn’t happen. If Ankiel is traded/injured, I do not want to see Miles, Lopez, or Duncan patrolling CF. I will wait until I actually see Ryan out there before I add him to that list.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 6, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tlr loves
to outsmart himself. is it really better to have ryan play center while skip sits? is there enough difference in their expected offensive output for however long olsen is in the game to ask ryan to play cf for the like 5th time in his life in a big league game? personally, i don’t think so. tony just loves doing controversial things regardless of whether it makes for the best opportunity to win. he just likes the controversy and without it, he could not be a “genius”. this is his most unendearing quality.
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Sep 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems to be
that it’s only been as big a concern this season… he’s really gone over the top in that dept.
it's time to bring the rock!!!!!!!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me
that TLR’s entire demeanor has shifted into “over the top” mode since winning the WS in ‘06. Seems like he thinks he is bona fide now and doesn’t really have to care what anybody thinks.
I was on the fence about him before, but I can barely stand to listen to him talk any more.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Sep 7, 2008 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.....It's like he has this whole, "everyone is out to get me chip on his shoulder"
I like him as a manager and obviously he has been very successful over his career, however his “infront of the media” personal has worn on me. I say “infront of the media” becasue I don’t know what he is like behind closed doors. He comes across poorly at times when speaking to the media.
by ICbirdfan on Sep 7, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the deal with Ankiel?
As far as I’ve seen, he pretty much stinks since coming back with the stomach injury…..so why not just sit him the rest of the season? He can’t play his normal CF, anyway. And why – for cryin’ out loud, is he still batting fourth or fifth in the lineup?
by ccthemovieman on Sep 6, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this would have made sense
before the Barton and Mather injuries
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Rasmus too
I think even an injured Ankiel is a little better than Stav. I have hardly seen Phelps though; I forget what position he even plays
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
used to be a catcher
but now he primarily plays first.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Sep 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
possible trade chip?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 6, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't
season’s basically over. and if a team did want to trade for him, he wouldn’t be eligible for postseason play.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Sep 6, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my...
I just realized the Dodgers are committed to Juan Pierre for 3 more years!!! And owe him 28.5 million dollars over that span.
Makes me never want to EVER hear ANYONE bitch about Adam Kennedy and Joel Pineiro’s contracts ever again!!!!
Also, Andruw Jones (thru ’09 @ 15M).
But, I know that won’t happen, so I’m just putting that info out as a little does of what truly retarded GM’s (or as so commonly referred to as BSI GM’s) are capable of.
Of course, it looks as if they have a crap load of contracts coming off the book this year (obviously outside of the Jones and Pierre deals), so they’re gonna be spending some money this offseason. My rough estimate is around 50 Million dollars.
In the world I see--you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty carpool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
by Tackle Box on Sep 6, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony disaffection
maybe it’s a bit of looking for a scapegoat to balm a frustrating finish to one of the biggest ‘tease’ seasons we’ve had in a while, but TLR is definitely getting on my nerves.
To paraphrase Obama and to echo our buddy matty above, we need to stand up and say “13 is enough.”
Even gdm’s qualified defense of Tony, above, was really a strong indictment. This chronically and systemically weird handling of relief pitchers and MI’s is getting to be too much. Let’s call Mike Matheny, or Ken Oberkfell, or even Simba. If they want to keep Duncan as pitching coach and he wants to stay..fine.
I’m feeling so bad I even had the horrible idea a bit ago of getting Jeff Kent as a one year fill in at 2b next year. And I tend to hate Kent’s guts.
The late relief situation will take care of itself
by the Tewk on Sep 6, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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