roster moves at VEB
some of you correctly read the hint i dropped yesterday: i’m stepping aside as the main blogger at VEB. there are various reasons behind the decision, but it’s mostly a question of work / blog / family balance. i'm finding it increasingly difficult to keep all 3 of those balls in the air, and 2 of them simply can’t be dropped. so i gotta let the 3d one go. i’d be lying if i said i didn’t have regrets --- i’m definitely going to miss the routine and the platform. but i’ll also admit that i’m looking forward to sleeping a little later and spending a little less time in front of this laptop. i’ve started tossing BP to my 6-year-old, and (if i may say so) the kid can hit. my 4-year-old daughter has started swinging the batty-watty as well, and she makes regular contact. (i'll pause for a second while jeff luhnow enters this information into his database . . . . ) however much i might enjoy writing about baseball (and i enjoy it a lot), playing the game with my kids is better. that's the priority i’m trying to preserve --- it all comes down to the old spending-more-time-with-the-family thing. it’s a cliché, but it’s really true in this case.
so that’s the bad news. the good news is that red baron and houstoncardinal are going to stay on board, with HC picking up some extra writing duty. and i’m excited to report that DanUp, who many of you know from Get Up Baby, is going to come over and join VEB. those of you who read GUB already know what a terrific writer and analyst dan is, and those of you who aren’t familiar w/ GUB will find out soon enough. i think these changes are gonna be very good for the blog, frankly, because the realigned team will be able to devote more time and ongoing attention to the site than i can. i feel very good about leaving the site in their care --- they’re all great writers, they know their baseball, and they know this community. i have complete confidence that they'll take the site forward and maintain it as a worthy destination, gathering place, and resource. my thanks to them for taking on the task.
thanks also to azruavatar for all his contributions to the front page, as well as behind the scenes; he has decided to give up his friday gig here to focus on Future Redbirds. it’ll take a week or so to get danup trained on the platform and set up a new writing schedule, so i’ll be on regular posting duty for a few more days until all that gets sorted out. beyond that, i’ll be showing up in the discussion threads from time time, another loudmouth with an opinion. blogging comes and goes, but fandom is eternal --- and i’ve enjoyed sharing mine w/ you here at VEB. to all of you who have reciprocated over the years, my heartfelt appreciation.
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a little followup on the lohse deal --- he’ll make $7m this year, $9m next, and $12m in 2011 and 2012. a total of $41 million, which is totally consistent with the market. unfortunately, it has been a lousy market --- most recent contracts of this type have been duds. here’s the mostly complete list (i might have missed one or two) of free-agent pitchers who got long-term deals (ie, 3 years or longer) after the 2005-06 season, 3 seasons ago: aj burnett, kevin millwood, jarrod washburn, matt morris, esteban loiaiza, and paul byrd. here’s the list from 2 years ago: jason schmidt, barry zito, gil meche, vicente padilla, adam eaton, jeff suppan, jason marquis, miguel batista, and ted lilly. many of those pitchers had more distinguished records than lohse at the time they signed their deals; 2 to 3 years later, how many of them look like good deals? the lilly and meche deals look good; the burnett deal looks ok; the suppan and marquis deals are not disasters. but the majority of these contracts are catastrophes; they made their teams worse rather than better.i don’t know why teams never consider front-loading. even accounting for salary inflation, lohse is more likely to be worth $12m in 2009-2010 (his age 30-31 seasons) than in 2011-2012 (his age 32-33 seasons). so why not pay him accordingly? give him $12m in each of the next two years, then slide the scale down at the back end of the deal. that way, if he has a bad season or gets hurt in the first couple years of the deal, his contract isn’t radioactively bad the last two years. i realize that paying larger sums up front would increase the cost of the contract marginally for the cardinals, but as a value proposition i would think you optimize the performance-per-dollar ratio the other way around. if there are any real economists in the house, maybe you could comment on that idea.
i’ll be back thursday w/ an updated roster matrix.
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Have fun with the kiddos
I am sure you would be an awesome little league coach ;)
Do you have an updated “Blogger Lineup” as well? Which blogger has which day type of thing. Also, just out of curiosity are you retaining “ownership” of the blog? As in, it is up to you to decide who the bloggers are, the guidelines, etc? Just trying to get a feel for how things are going to run.
For the last 2 years that I have been reading VEB daily I have loved your commentary and I hope you stop by and post still I would hate to lose your “no caps” style of writing completely.
Good luck and thanks SO much for the blog
This is the best sports blog out there. Period. And you started it.
Agreed
By far the best sports blog, or for that matter best blog, that I have read. Always well written and in depth, though RB does get a bit too in depth :).
Hey!
I take offense at that! My style of writing is beautifully succinct! (Interesting side note: I never did bother to learn what succinct means; I hope I’m using it correctly here.)
Just for that, tomorrow’s post will be written in Middle English! Suck on that, sirrah!
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by the red baron on Sep 30, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
suc·cinct /səkˈsɪŋkt/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[suhk-singkt] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. expressed in few words; concise; terse.
2. characterized by conciseness or verbal brevity.
3. compressed into a small area, scope, or compass.
4. Archaic.
a. drawn up, as by a girdle.
b. close-fitting.
c. encircled, as by a girdle.
You know what's funny about that?
Where it said ‘archaic’, as in archaic definitions, I read it and thought ‘archaic’ was just another definition, and I got all excited, thinking I could actually describe my writing as succinct after all.
Oh well. We put our dreams away…
And just for your sarcastic use of a dictionary, I’m making it Old English tomorrow. Then, I’m going to have Seamus Heaney write a translation of it that everyone will fawn over, bringing newfound attention to my works. So ha!
Things are finally falling into place for ol’ Liz Lemon.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by the red baron on Sep 30, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
the Red Baron = Tina Fey?
I am so conflicted on how I should feel right now
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I wish I could write as "succinctly"
Red Baron—what I love best about your posts is that you often start by saying, “I don’t have time for a long post this morning…” and then you write more in 20 minutes (beautifully) than I get produced in a day (where part of my paycheck comes from writing academic research articles of the “publish or perish” type). My hat is off to you.
Well, thank you.
But idle flattery shall get ye nowhere.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by the red baron on Sep 30, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Now we're talking.
I’ve been hearing good things about this ‘internet money’ that people have been using to bet with. I totally want to get my hands on some of that.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by the red baron on Sep 30, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
ooh, Middlle English!
I might just call in sick to read it first thing.
Please don’t disappoint me now.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Thanks for all you done
While not a frequent poster, am a habitual viewer. I have always appreciated the forum and discussion that VEB has provided the diehard Cards fan. Enjoy the kids, nothing beats the joy of passing the baseball torch to the next gen.
go crazy folks..........
Thanks and farewell
i can imagine the burden that comes from writing on and maintaining a blog, especially one of the quality of yours. Without your contributions and dedication, there would be a lot more ignorant, short-sighted fans and nowhere else can you find a group of more knowledgeable Cardinals fans. This amazing collection of brilliant fans who bring up all options when it comes to making the team better. Thanks and have fun
At least he's better than Esteban Yan.
Say in 'aint so, lbo',,,,
No one can question the spending more time with the fam’ mantra, but we are going to miss you!
I’d be lying if there wasn’t a bit more excitement on Mon, Tues and Thurs morning to read your posts, but I’m excited about the new lineup. I never read Get Up baby, because I was always at VEB, but when I did, I really liked it.
Most of all, I have particular fondness for your work in September-October 2006, lboros. You took us from the brink of crisis to the joy of victory in the span of less than a month. Your insights during that period helped make the experience what it was – my first conscious experience of a world champion (I was 3 in ’82). Thanks for the memories (speaking of cliches).
Vaya Con Dios
I just wanted to pop in and quickly add my own thanks to what will surely be a chorus of them over the course of the day.
I found this place back at the very beginning of the 2006 season, and fell head over heels in love with it. As time went on, I found a voice that I could speak with. I’ve contributed on the front page, and I’ve just hung in the back and watched as people who knew far more acronyms than I had ever imagined broke down points that I barely understood.
Either way, it has been a pleasure.
Thank you, Lb, for a wonderful place to commune with those who share my passion, and know that you will be missed. The place simply will not be the same without you.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
Dittos
I too found VEB the beginning of 2006, what a year! Thank you for all you have put into this Larry. I am sure with HC and the baron VEB will still be the place to be, but it certainly will be different without you. But as others have already said, you made the right decision. Have fun with your kids, but don’t forget about us kids either.
by SeeinEyeSingle on Sep 30, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I started reading it at the end of 2006
and I don’t think a day has gone by that I haven’t learned a little more about my lifelong love (baseball). I also have laughed my ass off every day too probably.Just don’t be too much of a stranger lb
or better yet
and i don’t think a day has gone by that i haven’t learned a little more about my lifelong love(baseball). i also have laughed my ass of every day too, probably.
just don’t be too much of a stranger lb
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
a salute
you have your priorities correct and I commend your decision but I will miss your guiding voice here. There have not been too many days in the last couple of years when I have not read this blog. I didn’t comment too often but still felt a part of it all. You consistently offered up the best insights into this cardinal program anywhere on the web. My best to you.
well done
i have decided to not use caps at any point today in your honor. it may look odd on my tps cover sheets, but so be it.
thanks for all the reads. would be nice if you’d stop by for a guest piece now and then.
Slacker
I can’t believe you are dropping the ball on this blog.
Kidding, of course. I have come to believe that a daily baseball blog — a smart one, with real thinking behind it, like Redbird Nation and VEB — has a finite lifespan and after that it just becomes too much to carry on. Unless you don’t care to have a life outside the diamond.
I have so enjoyed your run, Larry. I will miss your musings and analysis. All the best.
(Maybe you could try Slacker El Birdos, a once-weekly blog? Just to stay in touch? Maybe?)
Thanks.
As sdrone said, this is the best sports blog on the net. And the credit belongs to you, Larry. Your insight and knowledge are invaluable. But you are making a wise decision. NOTHING is more important than family, although baseball comes close. (Just kidding….okay, maybe I’m not.) Enjoy your time away, but don’t be a stranger!
+100
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
"Cross a lawyer with the Godfather, make you an offer you can't understand" - Don Henley
by Futility Infielder on Sep 30, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
LB...
thanks to you and this community I have increased my baseball knowledge ten-fold in the two years I’ve been here. Unfortunately this is the only place I can go where the folks understand my baseball knowledge. I fear this board will never again be the same without your presence…I hope you come around now and again, and I hope to see a few “guest” posts from you. I look forward to hearing about your boy being drafted by the Cards in about 12 years or so! Best of Luck and all my thanks!! RB, HC and DanUp…it’s on you now, and you have my complete confidence and fait.
Thanks!
This is the greatest blog ever. It has guided me through not so good times (2007) and through great times(post season 2006). Thank you for all your hard work and dedication. I, personally, will miss you and your writing.
Don't be a stranger
LB,
This will always be your baby, and we are humbled and lucky to be a part of it. I wouldn’t have been able to get through my deployments in Iraq without VEB, and your words made even the toughest losses in 07 easier to swallow. I will always think fondly that no matter what opinion someone had, they could share it on your site without prejudice. It is a sad day for Cards’ fans as you will be missed, but your decision is worth a standing ‘O’.
I try to admit when I’m wrong, and I misjudged the new format earlier in the year. I missed the old VEB and didn’t want to have to sign up for another account. Then like everyone else, life intervened and my internet time was replaced with work time. When I have moved back to a land without daily Cardinal access on TV, I saw I took for granted what VEB offered. Not only was it a reminder that like-minded souls shared in my highs and lows, it was an outlet for my after-work down time. My fiance jokes about my addiction to the Cardinals, calling it my ‘porn’. She realizes that it is a necessary evil and even tells me to go play sometimes.
I can’t even begin to explain how much I have learned about baseball and life on this site, and it is still the first one I recommend to fellow fans. That is not a slight to FR, GUB, or any other blog. Because VEB was the one I found first, I wanted other people to experience first-hand just how great it is and make their own decisions from there. Reading the other posts today, I tried to remember how I found VEB and couldn’t figure it out. Then I decided it didn’t matter because it just feels like home to pop up the home page and start reading. Thank you for giving me and many others a place to hang out, bitch and moan, and last but not least — cry and celebrate together.
I am so smart - S...M...R...T!
You'd rather eat the money in 2012 than pay it in 2009
MLB salaries have increased at ~10% per year for a long while now, so using that as the discount rate: the NPV on the current structure is 34.11, reverse the structure and it’s 35.6 they save themselves a mil.5 in real dollars by sitting on their money. If the plan is to trade him, right now they pay 7, 9, 12—-eat 5 million and trade him, that NPV is 28.85. If they pay 12 12 9 0 the NPV is 30.34. Again, Mil.5 plus in savings just by eating the money later.
Ideally yes you could frontload it and get a player to take a lesser raw dollar deal frontloaded to get the same NPV and therefore get value-production, but good luck convincing a player that’s the right way to do it. It’s reported 41 mil over 4 years, not 34.11 NPV. A 11.5-10.9-9-7 structure does sound good though, but 38.4 mil just isn’t as sexy as 41.
I’ll say it again, this is why the A-Rod deal is criminally underrated from his perspective as it’s mid-loaded, had it been structured normally it’d be a 300 million deal (yes, even before the bonuses).
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
Also, you expect more income in 2012
In theory, the % of a salary will remain about the same in relation to overall payroll. A good, smart, fiscally responsible team will be able to forecast income v. expenses over the course of a player’s contract and calculate that (while the raw #$ increases), the bottom line expenses for that player remain about the same.
Also: Joker 24 – could you please call your congressman and help explain the current financial crisis in our economy. You obviously know more than most of those idiots in Washington, DC. Heck, you could run the Treasury Department with analysis like that.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Not yesterday, I'll say on that note is a pure bailout is bad news
Giving money away is Never. The. Answer. Dumping water from one end of the boat to the other still sinks the ship. And it is giving money away, the theory that these shitacular mortgage securities are merely temporarily illiquid is ridiculous, if they had value investors with spare capital (they still exist) would buy them. The “bailout” isn’t the AIG thing, that was a non-taxpayer (mostly) funded loan at ~11% no less, backed by the fact that AIG is fucking huge and outside of one sector very profitable. There’s probably a sans politics way to make something like the bailout work, or at least be better (or at least^2 with Paulson=god), though I don’t have much faith that’s possible, after all there’s an election to win :).
PS anyone with spare money (irony alert) is going to be able to make lots of money coming up. Rock bottom means you’re going up. Tricky part is finding rock bottom but IMO it’s coming relatively soon as the investment banks that could fail have now and now it’s on commercial banks which fall in a much more orderly fashion e.g. WaMu. Being an econ major right now is—-interesting at the very least.
Sorry if I got too political, I tried to stay economical!
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
as an economist I disagree
with at least one point. The properties themselves are most certainly worth something, the question is how much. Part of the reason these properties aren’t being sold is that if they were sold they would be done so at a such a great loss that the mortgage companies and/or banks would fail regardless. The mortgage companies would rather hold onto the mortgages to see if the government will buy up these bad mortages and/or loans. If they do, the companies will be solvent. If not, they will fail, causing other financial institutions to fail with them, taking many investor retirement and investment funds with them. Then you’ll see what middle class anger really is.
I’m not advocating the bailout, but all of your analysis isn’t correct.
Have you guys studied what the securities actually ARE?
They are packages of mortgages that include a hodgepodge of good loans and some higher-risk ones. Most of the actual mortgages were of the good variety. What the bond issuers did was to package a few bad ones in each bond issue. That raised the yield considerably while still keeping the risk at an acceptable level. Hell the average home loan in America only lasts 7 years anyway. Most of these securities would never see their actual maturity. The risk was supposed to be very acceptable.
The problem arose when people who couldn’t afford their mortgages in the first place also couldn’t afford to get out of them. Their house was worth less than they paid for it (much like a certain left handed pitcher that we traded our future for a few years ago). That eventually drove those already risky mortgages to fail. Now, no-one is completely sure how many of these securities are going to actually pan out. What everyone is sure of is that there are a WHOLE LOT more of these risky loans wrapped up in these bonds than these companies counted on when they bought the bonds in the first place. Sooo, with no idea of the default rate on these securities, everyone is afraid to buy them for ANY amount of money.
My personal opinion is that most of us are going to make our mortgage payments like we were supposed to. The government will buy the securities from these idiot companies, and Uncle Sam will wind up with the vast majority of the $700 billion back.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I don't know if that makes any sense or not
but the Mulder analogy at least makes me think that I do.
Outside of the Mulder analogy, that is exactly how an econ friend explained it to me, so I am hoping that both of you are correct.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Uncle Sam and $700 billion
the big problem is the government will do the bailout, and when the good loans come back in, spend the money on saving burros in the Ozarks.
by Remember Kenny B on Sep 30, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The first draft was better, they have next to no value on the market because of the sheer volume of them
As Eckstreem here has the risk on these things is astronomical and the reward isn’t, which would be why WaMu’s profitable assets and others are being packaged in sales to other corps that do have capital as a long term plan. Buying them at anything more than pennies on the dollar is mismanaging risk/reward. Now I’m open to the possibility that they end up being the Mike Lowell of the Beckett/Hanley deal (had to drop a baseball reference to stay on the site) but betting 700 billion on it without any other form of collateral IS a handout. Regardless I’ll stick to baseball from here on…
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
That was awesome
And hopefully puts to rest the “front-loaded” arguments that continue to pop up around here.
by Hal Lanier's Pants on Sep 30, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I like the reasoning, but assuming a continuous 10% payroll inflation rate is a bit aggressive, don’t you think? Payroll (like U.S. home prices) cannot sustain a 10% year-over-year inflation rate.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
That's what the salary inflation has been for a long long time
Regardless, set the discount% less and the point still stands though the magnitude of the difference changes marginally.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
Yeah
but if revenues stagnate, then payrolls will HAVE to follow suit, and the team will be saddled with a bunch of inflating contracts bumping against the ceiling of payroll limits.
I do understand your time-value-of-money argument. The team, in effect, gets to put the difference between this year’s salary and the final year’s salary away, only to pay it later, after inflation has discounted it.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Well
If you think that this year they now have 5 million extra to spend, 5 million extra to spend can buy a helluva LOOGY that saves us 3-4+ games over Randy frickin Flores. 1-2 games extra this year pushes us that much closer to the playoffs with the playoffs having a gigantic payday leading to more payroll—→presumably winning the next year. Obviously it stalls out at some point but when you’re on the playoff bubble as we are it works.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
Inflation be damned
I would pay whatever it takes to get Randy Flores off that team!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I agree with your Time Value of Money argument
But you can’t diagnose the deal strictly from a financial perspective. There are two other factors at play here:
- If the plan is to trade him in the 3rd or 4th year of the deal, it would be much better to have the deal be front loaded, because Lohse will be on the downside of his career arc. He might not even be pitching as well as a $12M pitcher would be in 2012-2013, but he’d have to be nearly below replacement value for him not to be worth, say, $6 million. With that being the final year of the deal you wouldn’t have to eat any of his contract, and you might actually get some decent prospects in return for him.
- Annuities don’t have skill sets that degrade over time, thus, an annuity with a discount rate can’t be compared to stringently to a player, because most players have a declining rate of return from their skills after a certain point in their career. Annuities also don’t change in terms of risk, while players could get injured and miss time, pushing their value down.
Also, any smart baseball player would want to be paid up front, for the same TVM reasons that the club would want to backload. By front-loading the deal, Lohse could take the same deal and end up with an extra $2-3M by the time the contract expires, just getting an annual return of 5% on the first two years of his money. That’s a smart business decision for the player.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Yeah, I addressed all of that
1.
If the plan is to trade him, right now they pay 7, 9, 12—-eat 5 million and trade him, that NPV is 28.85. If they pay 12 12 9 0 the NPV is 30.34. Again, Mil.5 plus in savings just by eating the money later.
2. They’re paying the money period, it really doesn’t make much of a difference to the team when they pay the money accounting wise, just that they pay the money in the least costly way possible. Ideally they could pay him the 41 million in 2012. The risk that he’s a pumpkin then is irrelevant, that would be the cheapest way to pay him because they could plan ahead and invest as if it was college savings.
The player would want to frontload it at the same raw amount yes…which is exactly the point of this discussion as no team should do that. That’s a dumb business decision for the team. Again:
Ideally yes you could frontload it and get a player to take a lesser raw dollar deal frontloaded to get the same NPV and therefore get value-production, but good luck convincing a player that’s the right way to do it. It’s reported 41 mil over 4 years, not 34.11 NPV. A 11.5-10.9-9-7 structure does sound good though, but 38.4 mil just isn’t as sexy as 41.
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
You're still not addressing what lboros or myself brought up
I agree with the financial perspectives of it, but as I said, you’re not dealing in strictly financials here — you’re dealing with an asset that may have a depreciating skill set (or value) over the course of the deal. You’re not taking that into effect when you’re calculating your NPV — you need some constant level of depreciation (or appreciation, hopefully) to show this as a true present value — because Lohse may not be worth what he is right now at the end of the deal either because he isn’t as good a pitcher, or he is as good a pitcher but self-imposed salary restrictions or a wealth of young pitching have impacted the market for salaries for a 33/34 year old pitcher.
eat 5 million and trade him
That’s assuming you would only have to eat $5 million and assuming you could trade him when you eat 5 million and there’s no way to know that. He might be totally untradeable, by then end of the contract. If that’s the case, the team would have to eat the whole $12 million and either DFA him or keep him on the roster as a 5th starter putting up horrible numbers (a la Piniero) because you don’t want to just throw money away. At that point you’re paying him and giving him away for free or hampering another pitcher on the ballclub because of his salary. It’s much easier to DFA a $5 million pitcher than a $12 million pitcher, because you have $7 million more to go find his replacement or improve your ballclub in other areas.
In terms of the Cardinal team, this deal (outside of the no-trade clause, which is just dumb) actually works the best because of the salary structure of the current organizations. That doesn’t mean that a front-loaded contract isn’t smart for the club at certain times. Looking at A-Rod’s deal front-loaded, that makes a lot more sense for both A-Rod and the Yankees, because they’ll have more money at the end of the contract to build a team around him, and he’ll have more money up front to invest and make money on money over the life of the contract.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I’m not quibbling with your math — it’s spot on. I just think that there needs to be some sort of “skill” constant or variable added so we can look at present value in terms of skill.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I would be in complete mourning...
…but I take it you will be posting periodically, Larry?
Thanks for all the great work all these years. And thanks for letting VEB live on as a joint writing effort and as a community of readers.
Add my voice to those...
who have really enjoyed your work here on VEB. I go here in the morning during the season before reading what the pros have to say over at the Post Dispatch.
Fond farewell
to one of the greatest bloggers out there. This site helps me stay on an even keel—I’ll miss your “the sky ain’t falling as hard as you think” style. Like others have said, you’re leaving for the exact right reason, but you will be sorely missed.
Thanks.
You hit the nail on the head, James.
Although I will NOT miss the Cardinal verson of the Eye of Sauron peering down upon me, I will definately miss the way that Larry keeps us rabble-rousers in check.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Larry
Many, many thanks for all the insights and diversions you’ve given us on this blog. Between Brian Gunn and then you, we Cardinals fans have really been privileged over the past several years to have a steady stream of intelligent discussion about the team. I hope we’ll still hear from you on a more-than-occasional basis.
Enjoy that precioius time with your kids.
I was hoping
that the suggestions that you would be leaving would be wrong but I guess alas, all
good things must come to an end. Even though we’ve never met, I feel like a good
friend is moving away. Someone you count on for advice and tough love from time to time.
Just like those situations, I’m sure everyone will be down for a while until a new friend comes along
to fill that void. I’m sure that HC, RB et al will do a great job, as they already have been doing
but you will definitely be missed LB. Thanks for making the last couple of years fun and informative.
Have fun with the kids and keep in touch.
LB
Your writing on the Cardinals is heads-and-shoulders the best around. I’m really going to miss it.
thanks larry
thanks for all your hard work and for the best cardinals insight anywhere.
we’ve all seen the slippery slope down which blogs can fall; they can turn toxic very quickly. thanks for keeping things professional around here and for placing wins, losses, roster moves, and all cardinal affairs in the proper perspective for us.
good luck in the next chapter of your life. we all wish you the best and look forward to hearing from you.
+1
on not letting things turn toxic. Non-toxicity is why this is a great place to visit every morning.
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 30, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen
I think of all the wonderful analysis, the roster matrices, etc., lb’s greatest accomplishment has been to keep this a civil board and to not allow it to degenerate into something like the P-D boards. Many, many thanks larry for all the time, effort, vision, and love that you put into VEB. As so many others have said, I hope you find the time once in a while to contribute one of your brilliant analysis pieces. Enjoy the time with the kids, it goes much too fast.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 30, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Roster Matrix
we do get one more of those before you leave, right Larry?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
C'mon Matty
The last line from Larry’s post today:
“i’ll be back thursday w/ an updated roster matrix.”
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
hey!
this whole thing has me a little emotional, cut me some slack man!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Thanks LB
I’ve told you many times. Thanks for the cool blog, and I’ve meant it every time.
Have fun away from the computer and in front of life. You’ll be missed around here even if you’re just stopping by from time to time.
Actually, I think it’s going to be funny to see Larry become strictly a Game Thread re-tread. Better learn how to use caps (especially caps lock) since the only way to spell MVPWICK is in ALL CAPS!!!!!!
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Also
the best way to spell THIS TEEM IS TEH SUCK!
So yeah, capitalisation is a must.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by the red baron on Sep 30, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks LB
I haven’t been a frequent commentor here, but I’ve made VEB a daily stop for almost two years now. I really appreciate the work you’ve put in on this blog and the way in which you’ve increased my knowledge of the game.
I wish you the best and hope you really enjoy the time with your family. I am sure you will.
I hope to see you around here as much as your schedule will allow.
Thanks for everything LB
Just a quick thanks, cause I have to run to work. Good luck and thanks again for all the great work!
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
Kudos, Larry
Thank you for your dedication to making VEB the epicenter of the Cardinal blogosphere. We’ll all miss your inimitable style, honesty, diligence and insightful commentary. You set the standard for bloggers everywhere.
thanks for the best blog out there lb
It’s been a pleasure reading your posts and learning about this game from you.
I like many
haven’t been a frequent commenter, but have benefited greatly from your insight and analysis. I am thankful that I found you those first few months of 2006. I will miss the entries by you, lboros, but hope that you will stop and deliver some of your calm-headedness when things seem out of control. Thank you and I would suggest teaching your child to throw left-handed.
Beyond what is given here, I haven’t read all that much of the others but you have left some big shoes for them to fill. I know that they will do their best to keep up the excellent work that is to be expected at vivaelbirdos.
I know i will just be one in the crowd
but i cant thank you enough for what you have done with this site. it has made my love of baseball grow exponentially when i thought it was full to the brim already. i hope you enjoy the time with your kids and please make sure they are patient hitters:) i hope you will still stop by from time to time with a surprise post that surely will make my week…i am excited to read more HC and RB and cant wait to see what DanUp will bring. i am going to ReadUp (terrible i know) on his insights today…good luck, LB!!!
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
+1
I migrated to this blog from the P-D fan forums’ free-for-alls. I really appreciate all the work you’ve put into the site, Larry, and I echo the comments praising your steady leadership. You will be missed.
Thanks for putting together this community. We ALL have a lot to live up to. The camaraderie here is fantastic, and I appreciate the respectful give-n-take without the personal attacks I see at CardsTalk.
Good luck and let us hear from you occasionally.
Proud sponsor of the Official 2008 StL Cardinal theme song: "Beautiful Day" by U2
Thanks
Thanks lb; veb has been (and will be) the first I read in the morning for a long time now. Very well done, hope you enjoy the kids!
Thanks, Lb
Let me add to the others, I found the site at the beginning of 2006, and wow what a find. My dad and I both read every day, and while we do not post regularly, we talk constantly about the posts that are here. Almost every conversation we have ends up with the phrase, “did you see what larry wrote this morning…”
Good Luck and don’t be a stranger.
LB...
…I’m sorry to hear that you’ll be leaving. You have done a fabulous job with this site in the nearly 2 years I have been reading/posting on it. It’s absolutely the best source of Cardinals-related news and analysis on the worldwide web. To you I say thank you and good luck with your full-time working father role. Kids are awesome, I have 2 myself, and I hung up my coaching job about 8 years ago to be with them more. Let me tell you that it was most definitely worth it.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 30, 2008 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
VEB is the single biggest reason I now consider myself a serious, "enlightened" baseball fan.
As I made the journey from a more casual to more serious fan, VEB was the first place I always turned to for great baseball analysis, focusing of course on our beloved redbirds. My understanding of everything from baseball statistics, contracts, roster construction, and what have you has increased dramatically over the last couple of years. I believe I first heard of the blog in a Matt Leach article or mailbag piece. Clearly this is the finest St. Louis Cardinals blog on the interwebs, and Larry is the reason why. Thanks!
Sigh… here’s to the Cubs losing, roster matrices, community projections, and a strong 2009.
Thanks for the content
LB, you’ve done a great job here. If you didn’t have such a great team to step up after you leave, this would truly be a tragedy.
"Chokes it hard down on the knob from the right side. Stands erect deep in the box."
Viva El Birdos is the best baseball site on the web, bar none.
It’s because of you, LBo. I absolutely hate to see you go, and I hope you’ll be around often. But you’ve picked a great young writer in Danup—he’s witty and fun, and he knows his baseball.
Hmm I wonder...
Is this just the harbinger of a promotion? From Cardinals blogger to GM of the Col Rockies?
Well done, good and faithful servant...
LB — Just adding my thanks and appreciation to everyone else’s today. I’ve been a near-daily reader of VEB for over three years now; like everyone else, I’ve benefited enormously as a Cards/baseball fan from your knowledge and insights. And as someone who also makes a living putting words together, I’ve always appreciated your direct, concise, yet still humorous writing style.
I tend to be skeptical of the notion of “virtual communities,” but VEB is one case where the word “community” truly applies. That is mostly due to your hard work and your commitment to keeping the site intelligent and free of unnecessary rancor. It’s a privilege to share the highs and lows of following our beloved Redbirds with the community you’ve built here. That said, leading a “virtual community” can’t hold a candle to spending every possible second with your kids. The cliché is true (I’ve got two toddlers myself). Enjoy your new freedom — and I hope you’ll still enlighten the rest of us with the occasional FanPost or thread comment.
Very excited to hear about the addition of DanUp to the VEB roster — I’ve always enjoyed Dan’s blog but haven’t followed it as closely the last year or so. He’ll bring a great voice to the site.
Say it ain't so!
Thanks Lb for this site. I hardly ever post, but i read just about every day, and it has shaped and molded all views I have on the cardinals. I hope you will still “guest” blog from time to time because I have to admit, as much as I liked the other guys you always seemed to give an argument with sufficient evidence that I couldn’t disagree with and enjoyed hearing. Have fun with the kids!
lboros
I can’t say how happy I am, and have been, that you don’t follow the Rockies. As a Cardinals fan it’s been wonderful to have such a measured, reasoned voice speak out for the fanbase as a whole, and we’re all better off for it. As a fellow writer—well, I’m just consistently impressed.
To everyone else: I’m excited to join the team, and I look forward to blogging on a… well, a more regular basis. I’ve never happier about an opportunity to be Babe Dahlgren (in which case I hope my scrappiness and hustle make up for my 76 OPS+.)
Michael Phelps:Albert Pujols::Josh Phelps:??
dont sell yourself short...
you did lead the team with 13 sacrifice hits…
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
you rock dan
looking forward to your writings
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net
Hard to follow a legend
But I’m sure you’ll do a wonderful job. I haven’t read any of your stuff but am looking forward to reading your thoughts and insights.
Good luck.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Sep 30, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever thought
LB - Have you ever thought why your son and daughter are hitting so well? Maybe it’s because you don’t have the stuff you used to have!!!
Thanks for the great job.
When did your priorities get screwed up?
Giving up a baseball blog for your family and your job? What the hell? This is like Mulder-Haren bad juju. You need to step back from the keyboard for a second, collect yourself and realize THE INTERTUBES ARE MORE IMPORTANT!
Enjoy your freedom from having to split your mind between dealing with what is in front of you and coming up with clever, pertinent and timely topics of discussion.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Screwed-up, indeed
Hell, almost anyone can have kids. But how many people have a first-class blog on a fascinating subject and a loyal readership?
by Youneverknow on Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully you'll still get some time to come by
I’ve loved the different debates you’ve had with WCB ;)
I agree
a highlight of the season
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
well, you will definitely be missed.
thanks for several good years.
On with the (good) youth movement!
Thank You lboros
For making me feel better the day after a horrible loss and tempering my over excitement after a thrilling win. It’s like being able to have a conversation with a Cardinal enthusiast everyday, and where I live that’s hard to come by.
I also have to thank you and this site for introducing me to the saber-world. Every fan needs to be introduced to these measurements of our beloved game. Not that you have to live and die by it, but to understand it and appreciate it. I think you balance traditional and saber perfectly on this site. Thanks again, enjoy your family.
A VEB/STL Cardinals comparison
Much like the St. Louis Cardinals, the famed VEB will be seeing the end of an era.
The Cardinals’ era of vaunted lineups, MV3’s, and 90+ win seasons ended with a title in 2006. I know, I know…2006 wasn’t a 90 win season, but I count it as the end of that era. With the healthy lineup we had in the playoffs in 2006, the team would have fared much better than 83-78 in the regular season.
The Cardinals, obviously, with the Jocketty firing a season later went in a different route…no more trades in which the farm system is further depleted to bring in a pricey vet that fills a lineup hole nicely for 4-6 years. Now the emphasis on building the big league club is one from within. The goal is to stabilize the crippled farm system and now the direction of the proud tradition of the Birds on the Bat is to bring in a talented rookie to fill a lineup hole nicely for 4-6 years.
Much to nay-sayers’ dismay, the St. Louis Cardinals did not wilt and die. The Cardinals did not suffer through years of cellar-dwelling, as other teams do from time to time, in order to become a contender again. The Cardinals are fighting and still made waves throughout an entire season – one in which they were supposed to be non-competitive.
Viva El Birdos has lost our top man. lboros was not fired in a Jocketty-esque, rebuild-fashion; in fact, in stepping aside, lboros found his own replacement. A replacement who writes on another successful blog. Much like the Cardinals, this “team” site will not have to go through an extended slump, or do any cellar-dwelling. VEB will stay a wonderful site because that is what it is set up to be…the best Cardinals (and thus the best baseball) site on the internet.
Thank you for your guidance and leadership in this endeavor…enjoy your children…stop by and say hi when you have time.
stlfan
Thanks LB!
I hope you come back and do some main posts from time to time. We’re going to miss your insight on a day to day basis but I can fully understand your decision.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
what can i say that everyone else hasn't
we’ll miss you, lb. a lot. this is like a punch in the gut, but i completely understand your reasons. best of luck down the road, and thnx again for the opportunities you have afforded me here back a few years ago, and for all the links to FR.
happy trails.
Amaury translates into "Punisher of Spheroids" in the lost tongue of Atlantis. Marti means "Belgian Waffle." www.futureredbirds.net
Absolutely making the right decision
I am not too many years away from being an empty nester and the time goes by all too quickly.
After three youth level state championships, a high school state championship (and #9 national ranking), plus three years of college baseball, my favorite baseball memories with my son are still the PeeWee Cardinals in Marietta, GA when he was six years old. Take lots of pictures, have lots of laughs, and don’t be a stranger.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
Thanks LB, and an answer
It has been a joy reading your posts. This was the first sports blog I began reading, and one I still frequently visit.
I am not an economist, just law student, with an economics degree. I actually agree with your analysis on backloading contracts. The team would argue that due to the markets, and inflation it makes sense to award a higher salary towards the end of a contract. For a point of reference over the past thirty years the average rate of inflation for the U.S. has been around 3 percent. Therefor one would have to raise a players salary 3 percent by year to give him the same purchasing power he had the previous year.
However, looking at the market, I disagree. Player salaries are currently inflated, rising to quickly. This type of growth is unlikely to be sustained. Markets tend to have bubbles, and I believe the sports bubble is coming. I argue the teams see it too. The stadiums being built today are requiring PSL’s to purchase season tickets. This demonstrates that the teams are fearful of a bubble burst. These owners are fearful that ticket prices will not continue to raise at their current pace. To cover themselves if the costs begin to level off, or even drop, they are requiring PSL’s. This is just evidence that the teams see the writing on the wall.
Sorry for the longer explanation, but this is just an opinion. Generally a graduated salary rate makes sense, but in a bubble market it does not. This is due to inflation.
Once again thank you for all your posts. Enjoy the time with the family.
i wonder...
when something bad happens again and again, we often fool ourselves into thinking we’re “due” for a positive outcome this time. “he hasn’t hit a homerun in a few weeks, he’s due!”
we seem to have an injured ace electing to not have surgery, and we just signed a veteran pitcher to a 4 year deal.
are we “due” for these things to turn out well?
actually… don’t answer that question.
its called "silly season" for a reason
teams bid against each other to sign players to bloated contracts that 6 months later they often can’t give away, but sure wish they could.
Thanks, LB
I, like most others who’ve offered their eulogies of sorts, really appreciate the time and thought you’ve invested to share your insights and analysis with the rest of us.
I also applaud your decision. There aren’t enough “family-first” dads around these days. Some of us should probably spend a little less time at the keyboard and a little more time with the kiddos. It’s a solid decision.
Anyway, thanks again for your leadership and contribution to this site. I imagine that we’ll hear from you now and then. These aren’t actual eulogies, after all!
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
Indeed
I started lurking around here sometime last year and it immediately became a required daily visit. I then moved to Tennessee, the first time I’d lived anywhere outside of the St. Louis area. Not having any of my Cards fan friends to watch the games with down there, I started getting in to the game threads here a lot. Although I’m back in the STL now, I still visit the site frequently, and will continue to do so.
I’m gonna miss the LB posts a lot though. Thanks for all the great work and for creating the best baseball blog on the interwebs!
Thanks, LB
You’ve really helped aspiring young bloggers like me learn how to write the right way, probably more than you think. Thanks for all the work you’ve done and the insight you’ve shared. You’ve definitely been a great influence on me and my writing.
Good luck and enjoy spending time with your family. And don’t forget, Go Cards!
Enjoy your family lb..
like many ,I’m a long time reader and infrequent poster here at VEB….but would like too thank you for all your time and work over the last few years that I’ve been a daily reader. Spending time with your kids at that age is certainly what makes up a great life….but gettting a cup of coffee and checking out VEB in-between work issues has always been one of the best parts of my day. So thank you and my wishes that your future holds nothing but happiness and joy.
fare well lboros
look forward to a lb sighting in the threads and reading your commentary
go rays
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 30, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
you will be missed lb
i echo the sentiments above about the end of the 2006 season. i think i would have blown a gasket if not for your steady hand leading us.
thanks for the daily insights and i look forward to some guest front page sightings.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
Thanks, Larry
You’ve set a high standard in writing, analysis, steady good sense, and good humor. My bet is you’re as good to be around outside of VEB, too. I thank you for considerable enlightenment and many hours of good reading…excellent even w/o capitals.
"The strike zone was slightly amorphic today." - Joe Maddon
all the best, larry.
i found viva el birdos via deadspin a couple of years ago, and there’s been no turning back — i’ve been a daily reader (and occasional commenter) since then. being a cardinals fan living in san francisco for the past 4 years makes it tough to see as many games as i’d like, but reading this blog makes me feel plugged in to the world of the cardinals.
and as a side note, i’ve been a big proponent of the all-lowercase style for the better part of a decade — it’s been great to have you spreading the no-caps gospel.
is this really because
Rob Neyer (Insider content) made fun of your lower case writing today? if so i can make things get uncomfortable for him if it will keep you around…
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." -Wes Westrum
The outcry here should convince you that you're making a mistake....
Yes – family is the most important thing. Consider VEB as your extended family. Stay here. Blow off work.
Baseball Fever.... Catch it!
LB
I rarely post, but am an everyday reader of the site. It seems odd to become so attached to something like a baseball blog, but I am truly saddened to hear you will no longer be directing the site. I’m sure DanUp will do a great job, but I hope that you can come back with a suprise post or two throughout the year. Best of luck to you and your family.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 30, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
LB
I rarely post, but am an everyday reader of the site. It seems odd to become so attached to something like a baseball blog, but I am truly saddened to hear you will no longer be directing the site. I’m sure DanUp will do a great job, but I hope that you can come back with a suprise post or two throughout the year. Best of luck to you and your family.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 30, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
LB
I rarely post, but am an everyday reader of the site. It seems odd to become so attached to something like a baseball blog, but I am truly saddened to hear you will no longer be directing the site. I’m sure DanUp will do a great job, but I hope that you can come back with a suprise post or two throughout the year. Best of luck to you and your family.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 30, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
He works for Xerox.
Or else he’s making up for lost time.
by Youneverknow on Sep 30, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LB = MVB
Larry-
This is not good news. The site is not losing its lead blogger, the whole of Cardinal Bloggerdom is loding its elder statesman and guiding hand. Anytime someone can grow anything beyond their initial vision to something that will continue without their guidance, it is a major accomplishment.
Good Luck
-Will
Congrats to Dan...
…he deserves a larger forum.
Thanks
Found the site through stltoday.com a while ago. Living in VA, that was my way of keeping tabs on the Cardinals until I learned of VEB and FR. Read both every morning now and I really appreciate the insight and just being able to read the thoughts of fellow Cards fans. The main posts are so well thought out that I’d have to agree with most here that this is probably the best baseball fan blog around and the credit goes to you, Larry.
Enjoy the family and good luck in all you do in the future!
we'll miss ya LB
hopefully you still drop by from time to time as a guest writer or leave a few comments in the game threads. thanks for all the terrific work and good luck with whatever you do next.
Nothing to add but thanks.
It has already been said above, but it wouldn’t feel right to let this post go without giving my gratitutde as well. Thanks for the insight and hard work, I tell everyone I know about this site.
thanks for all you've done boros
have fun living a real life ;-)
www.GriffinandtheGargoyles.com
www.myspace.com/GriffinandtheGargoyles
Dont take me seriously :-D
The only phrase to remember when coaching little league:
“Keep your eye on the ball.”
If you can teach your kid half as much about the game as you’ve taught me, he’ll be catching the attention of Cardinals’ Manager Aaron Miles in 2023. A sincere thanks for all the time and energy.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
haha
how would miles keep his “grit” name being a manager?
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 30, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF?!
What the hell is going on, you’re leaving us lboros? That blows! :)
good luck you crafty middle reliever.
Thanks a million LB
When I first stopped by this site somtime in July 2006, that was the point that my Cardinals fandom went from casual score-checker to rabid lunatic. I enjoyed the ride all the way from then until the WS win in 2006, all the way to the lowest point of JH’s death in 2007. This has been a daily stop for me ever since, and I owe it all to you. Best of luck with the family, and we’re all sticking around if you ever want a release.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country
DFA Adam Kennedy and Randy Flores!
"Just because nobody understands you doesn't make you an artist."
Thanks, Larry
You took the sting out of Brian Gunn’s retirement from blogging. The content here is better than any other Cardinals blog—or all the other Cardinals blogs combined, for that matter. Read Strauss, Birdland and VEB and you pretty much know everything there is to know about the greatest baseball franchise in the country. (No, not the Yankees…)
You really should consider doing some guest stints, though. Even the CSO’s retired principal trumpet, Adolph Herseth, still sits in from time to time. Don’t be a stranger.
+1.
I was distraught when Brian Gunn hung ‘em up, but it wasn’t long before VEB picked up the slack (even though the two sites were quite different). Best of luck and hopefully you’ll contribute a few longer pieces at regular intervals.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Sep 30, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Larry,
Thank you so much for all the time you have put into this site. You have created a great platform and I will sincerely miss reading your posts in the mornings.
This site has made me a much more informed fan of my favorite team and the game. Once again thank you, and enjoy the additional time with your family.
jwilson
masha danki , capt elboros !!
masha danki, i.e. thank you very much for all the great posts en for giving us such a wonderful Cardinals blog, VEB !!
i completely agree with your balance thing, family/work/blog. hope you don’t forget yourself in the equation… be good !
Imagine the Cardinals winning it all in 2008... ok, let's do it in 2009
damn
feel kinda down learning that you’re riding off into the sunset, lb… you were one of the originals and always had great things to say
good luck down the line
thanks for all the hard work...
I never could understand how in the world you were able to put together a 4000 word essay every other day, with a new idea or three every week just thrown out there for us peasants to try to get our heads around. In the ~3 years I’ve been hanging out here, you and Az and the other main posters have completely changed the way I think about baseball. It’s been a staggering run of creativity and perseverance, and I’ll always be in your debt.
Thanks again for all of the effort you put into building the best baseball fan community on the interweb.
"All I am saying is give Freese a chance!" -- nmstar
Tashi Delek lb,
A wise man once said: the happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts. If this is true in smaller arenas, then I owe you a great deal for advancing my enjoyment of baseball.
All my best to a fine ambassador for the finest of sports.
-- Aidan Sonoda
In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas.
Someone just get me a bleeping roster matrix!!!
Kosuke Fukudome: $48 million .257 .359 .379
Skip Schumaker: $Free .302 .359 .406
Skippy needs a new publicist
We need to figure out the Arbitration first
Before we can figure out Roster Matrix.
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 30, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The Best That's Ever Been
Larry,
Been reading you since June 2005. You are, without a doubt, the best sports blogger I’ve ever read. A real five-tool blogger, if there is such a thing. Thanks for all of your class, cutting intellect, enthusiasm, innovation, terrific writing, and, most of all, time and hard work.
You’ll be missed! And I look forward to some insightful periodic fan posts.
Happy trails!
-Brian
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
thanks, larry
i would be lying if i didn’t see this coming, but i completly understand why you’re stepping aside. even though you’re gone, i hope the community stays. this community really makes this site a real pleasure to be around, espcially around game time. thanks again larry, you will be missed.
i guess i’ll have to devote a little more time in the morning to read this site if RBs going to pick up any more days.
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 30, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
Losing a Legend!!
SB Nation – and the entire blogosphere – is really losing a legend here.
Larry,
I just wanted to point out that your site is how I even discovered SBN. Besides being a diehard Dolphins fan, I’m also a huge Cardinals fan and I was in search of a good Cardinals website a few years ago (probably back in 2004 or 2005). I came across it and instantly made it part of my daily internet rounds.
Little did I know that I’d have the opportunity to join the likes of you (and the others at SBN) down the road.
It truly is an honor to be a part of a network that includes (or now I guess I should say “once included you”). And now I might even have more respect for you (if that was possible) because of why you are stepping down here at VEB.
You’ll be missed around here. Thanks for all the time and effort you put forth into this site and good luck with your future endeavors!
le roy est mort
What is it about this team that inspires such exceptional venues for its followers?
I despaired when Brian Gunn closed his shop; then I found VEB — a different voice, but the same keenness, intelligence, expressiveness and civility.
This time it appears I will not have to go exploring: lboros has installed his successors and it is evident they will maintain the standards .
vivent les roys!
I hope you'll at least guest blog...
periodically.
As for Danup, welcome. And yes we all know you called the Mulder-Haren deal correctly.
hey
you guys remember when I called the Mulder-Haren deal correctly?
Michael Phelps:Albert Pujols::Josh Phelps:??
What exactly is the deal with your fascination with Jason Simontacchi?
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
THE Jason Simontacchi
He was an all-star pitcher for my hometown Frontier League Springfield Capitals.
Michael Phelps:Albert Pujols::Josh Phelps:??
now that is an answer
that i have been wondering about for far too long. now i can move on.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Since you're here...
I’d like some insight on the following topics:
- Will Kozma contribute at the ML level or will he stall out?
- Can the Walrus stick at 3rd?
- Can Carp be dominant next year? Ever?
- Will Luddy ever slug >530 again?
- Should the Cards retain Flopez?
- 3 yrs $27 million for Wellemeyer?
Mulder for who?
Way too many words in that sentence.
by Red in Chicago on Sep 30, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Never joined a blog before this one
Larry that’s what I told you when I asked to have my screen name changed and it’s still true. So sorry to see you go but I know your eye for talent has brought in the best Cardinal blogers around and I’m sure the level of coverage will be nearly as good.
Just one quick question, does this mean that RB will finally be added to the VEB Board? Seems like the guy has put in his dues, come on and give him a seat at the adult table. I could use some backup on there, with you gone I’m afraid the rest will get together and kick me off next time I start ripping on them.
"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"- George Carlin
by That's a Winner on Sep 30, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
Seconding Everything
Especially the part about helping out the other Cardinal bloggers. One of the first stops in a Cardinal fan’s day should be here at VEB and you are the reason for that.
Congrats to DanUp and looking forward to his writings!
Thanks
This is the only blog that I check daily, and you’ve done a great job getting it going and organizing all of us Crazies.
You will be missed.
Prospects are good. Especially when they aren't rushed.
Thanks for everything lb
You have created a blog that fits so well with my style of baseball. This is truly one of the most classy blogs online. I hope that it will continue this way after you are gone. I look forward to reading more from DanUp, always enjoyed his blog. Thanks again.
Obama/Pujols 2008.
thanks again
after being banished from the midwest to remote idaho, this is my main channel for keeping up with the cards. best of luck with the young slugger!
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
Lboros...
Thanks for all of the work you have done here. I remember when I first stumbled upon the site while in grad school… Vivaelbirdos provided me with a perfect distraction from study before a big statistics exam. I think it was MLBTraderumors that linked over here during the Cards’ infamous courtship of AJ Burnett (I just saw him at the airport!!!). Anyways, this blog and your careful analysis really took my love for baseball to another level and I’ve been coming back every morning since. Thanks, again.
Another rare poster here
LB – I have been reading this blog since the last off-season and it has been a total pleasure. I live in Indy and there just aren’t that many Cardinals fans, other than my dad, to watch games with. Checking in with passionate, knowledgeable fans on a daily basis has increased my enjoyment of a game that I thought I already loved. I extend my sincerest thanks for making a place like this and my hope that it can continue. Good luck.
All you have to do to appreciate VEB
is take a look at some of the other blogs on SBNation, like Bleed Cubbie Blue and South Side Sox, or read the Post-Dispatch forums. Not to knock those other sites—they all have their purpose and they can be fun, but I always feel like I learn something on VEB, as opposed to those other places where it’s just about cheerleading or venting (on VEB that’s reserved for the game threads!).
lboros
there isnt much i can add to the praise you have received above, and it is definitely deserved
on a personal level there are a few things you have done or said on this blog that have changed the way i watch games, follow the team, even think about the offseason
but mostly i think you have just shown how to be a man; now that may sound crazy, but on this site you have never compromised your values; if somebody made a good point that wasnt your own, you were fine with it, might even have praised a person for a different way of thinking; but when someone did get out of line you were there to rein them back in
but todays announcement, to me, is your best example of being a man; you saw what the site was doing to you and the way you deal with work and family; and you dealt with it, just like a man should
we will miss you, but because you got a good writer to follow you, i doubt the transition will be as hard as it could have been
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
sadness
You’ve done a great job, and I’ll miss reading your stuff on a regular basis.
Do you feel like you should have done this in 2006, and gone out on top?
One more post
to say thank you so much, LB, for great journalism. You’re such a pleasure to read. And since I don’t recall seeing it in all the praise above, I’ll add that I especially enjoyed your stories of visiting Busch in the 70s as a kid — such a great memory for the turns of a game (even if you’ve got Retrosheet to confirm your impressions).
Hope to see you here in a guest capacity, as others have said, and on other sites and in other pubs when they need to know what’s up with the Cardinals.
It must be the Playoffs!
Because I just turned on TBS and the first commercial I saw was for Frank TV….
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Don't know what you've got till it's gone.
I thank you for your work and what you have given to us. I literally read this first thing every day. I thank you again.
The king is dead.
Long live the King!
HC and RD you are the shit!
I read this site every day
I’ve learned more in a year than i have in my 30+ years prior to that. When I was growing up I collected bb cards and I could tell you every stat of every player as long as it was on the back of the cards. I lost baseball for years until I found this site. Brings back all those memories flipping cards and arguing about the qualities of the best players. The site is by far the best read around if you’re a Cardinal fan. Thanks for pulling it together. I live a long way from St. Louis now, but I don’t feel so far away anymore.
Lohse was a good deal. 5 years 45.5 million — gotta count this year.
Slugging
I don’t think this has been brought up yet, but Pujols and Ludwick finished 1 and 2 in slugging in the Majors.
holy cow
I hadn’t heard that yet. That’s amazing. How many times have teammates accomplished this, I wonder.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
according to Bernie's bits from 8-29
only two sets of teammates have ever done it.
Yankees, Babe Ruth & Lou Gehrig. in 1927, 1928, and 1931
Reds, Joe Morgan & George Foster in 1976
only twice before have 2 Cardinals led the NL in SLG
1921, Rogers Hornsby & Austin McHenry.
1937, Joe Medwick & Johnny Mize.
Doesn't matter Howard has more Home Runs and RBI's
(((Sarcasm)))
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 30, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And "Statistically Outanding's"
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Qualified?
Manny doesn’t qualify in the NL or the AL, yet does qualify for the MLB rankings, so yes in MLB he is second, in the NL AP and Lud are 1 and 2.
missed that
manny didn’t show up in the MLB official rankings in either league and they dont do sortable by overall
my bad so make it “NL”
Best of luck, Larry.
Might I recommend Hardcore Legend for a position? HL always provides insightful commentary that is fun to read.
Miles in '08
Thanks
I’m very sad to read this, but am happy you have your priorities together. I’ll miss your writings very much and hope that you will still find the time to become an active participant at least. I guess I found the site about a year ago. It’s one of the best sports blogs out there IMO, and it is clear that this is in large part due to the work you put into it. The tone you set. The atmosphere of accountability you foster.
I think you are turning it over to capable hands, but there is no doubt that you’ll be missed greatly by all.
I came here tonight to voice my displeasure about a 4 year deal for Lohse, but will save that for another time. There will be plenty of time for that…
Thanks for all the hard work, Larry.
Larry
I want to thank you for all the great work you have done on this site. For years I have been a Cardinal fan living in upstate New York unable to get any real insight into the organization. I stumbled on to this site a couple of years ago and I no longer feel like a man on a deserted island. In addition to that I have a sense that you are a true gentleman and you run this site accordingly. Good luck to you and my God bless you and your family.
Good luck lboros
I have enjoyed reading your posts. I do not frequently comment on VEB, but I certainly am a frequent reader. I totally understand the kid thing. My oldest is five and starting to learn to play. I am having a tough time getting him to hold the bat correctly and to stop standing on the plate. Only Barry Bonds with his massive armor can get away with standing on the plate…Any advice on teaching kids to hit would be appreciated.
I just wanted to say you will be missed.
I agree with your assessment of the Lohse deal. I think it is in line with the market values, but it has the potential to go south in the future. The deal also means that Lohse is probably going to be the best SP we will be signing, which means we have put ourselves in a situation where we will be depending on Lohse to duplicate or even exceed the numbers he put up this season.
I think this has the potential to be one of the most interesting off seasons for us. I love the hot stove league stuff. It passes the time away while waiting for the day pitchers and catchers report.
Good luck. My hope is that the Cubs will be eliminated from the postseason before your last post.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
by Cardinal Red State on Sep 30, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks lboros
Never posted here much, but I enjoyed reading every day. You are a great writer and, as an aspiring writer myself, a big guide for each of us. I wish you the best. I’ll never forget the time you put me in my place :)
Peace out!
Don't judge me!!!
Add my puny inexhaustible voice of thanks for all of the insights. Enjoy the little ones and make many more.
If you’re ever in Thailand, please look me up . . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
thanks lb!
i don’t get to comment much but i always enjoy reading your posts.
thanks for starting this community and keeping it running for so long. it has been a regulation facet of my day since i joined!
As seen on Bleed Cubbie Blue message board... "Wait until the Cardinals call up Rasmus..."
Just wanted to chime in
and say thanks to Larry. your posts are always at the top of my lists of things I must read each day.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Good luck LB
Yours was a daily blog read for me as well. I have always enjoyed your analysis, writing style, and frankness. Have fun with the family and thank you for always providing engaging, thoughtful commentary.
"Slide DiMaggio, slide!" "Hey, my name isn't DiMaggio, my name is mm..mmmm...mmm....mud."
Larry
Although I suppose I posted most often when I disagreed with you, that was because your always stimulating arguments, buttressed by an array of facts, statistics, and sweet reason that I could rarely match, nonetheless stimulated me to try articulating my not always humble viewpoint at a level approaching yours. More often, I simply enjoyed the wit, style, and freshness of your insights on the Cardinals and the responses they inspired in others. It’s been good having you around and you’re going to be sorely missed. Although your reasons for stepping down are completely understandable—I never understood how you had time to do all you did—I’m hoping that you’ll miss this gig enough to feel impelled to continue to illuminate for us some of the more significant Cardinal developments on an occasional basis in the future.
Best of luck, Larry
It was through reading Viva El Birdos that I developed a desire to have my own blog, and your writing and analysis remains a treat to read. I’m still in awe every time I remember that I’m on the same network as you. You’ve made the Cardinals even more of a blast to follow, and you’ll be sorely missed on SBN.
Enjoy that free time, though. It’s very well deserved.
Thanks, Larry!
I know this has been a labor of love for you. I really appreciate all your hard work, and your great insights. Though you won’t be totally stepping away, many thanks for a job well done. 2008 Cards would have been less of a joy w/o you at the helm of VEB!
thank you lb!
you’ve built a great blog. you will be missed.
good luck!
so late to this party
thanks for all you have done lb….found this blog before the season started and immediately felt i had been missing something great all my life…hope you find happiness in being a dad…and make sure your son can field his position too, the cards need a legit 2B prospect soon
Well done, lb
well done. M’a sallama, sadi
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
Vaya con dios, el birdo...
You have written, and presided, with a steady hand.
Have fun with the kids! And if you coach, well… good luck with the parents!
so long. and thanks for all the fish
sorry i missed your big goodbye yesterday, i spent all day driving to little rock arkansas
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Auf Wiedersehen, LBoros
Best wishes and thank you to the creator of not only the the finest baseball blog in the universe, but quite possibly the finest sports blog … period. With absolutely no disrespect to those who will be picking up the torch (hats off and thanks to all), it just won’t be the same without you. Here’s hoping your new adventures are as rewarding as VEB, and that we get to see a special issue post from you once in awhile.
"The dog! The dog! He's at it again!"
shalom...
we’ll miss you but understand. thanks for everything.
Redbirds Fun
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